🎯︱other-games

[green jetty]

First time he joins us in versus he plays Swamp Fever. What a great introduction to L4D2.

Blood Harvest was a while ago. I would say The Passing but not a fan of the finale.

[vital vector]

Yeah, fuck the Passing.

The Parish has the best finale.

[somber valve]

the pari

[green jetty]

It also has some of the hardest crescendos in the game. I doubt most of us will get through it. It'll just be no saferooms made throughout.

[somber valve]

map full of insta kills

[green jetty]

I like The Sacrifice, but I don't think Alp does, lol.

[vital vector]

It's better than the Passing, we could play it.

[green jetty]

I'm down for it. Let's just make sure Dok doesn't enable two generators at the same time.

[vital vector]

We should do a campaign tier list.

[somber valve]

enable all 3 at once

on vs

[green jetty]

Sure thing.

Hard Rain:
S:
A+:
A:
B:
C:
D:
E:
F:

[somber valve]

[vital vector]

Keep yourself very safe.

[green jetty]

If you wanna go that way, lol to you as well.

[vital vector]

https://tiermaker.com/create/left-4-dead-2-campaigns-295885

If you're actually doing it, tell me when you're going to post it.

[green jetty]

Did he just put Hard Rain in... I can't believe this.

[vital vector]

Ok, MAYBE it can get into C.

[green jetty]

I'm thinking of dropping Dead Centre to C as well.

[quasi prairie]

Ghost of Tsushima has been everything I’ve heard and ten fold.

Beautiful game so far and really glad I picked it up.

Highly recommend it. So far I’ve had a great time, and really enjoy the fighting style.

[devout berry]

@fleet gulch i got a mod that allows me to set the game resolution high so i can take better pics, now my problem is over

[quasi prairie]

I haven’t tried the online mode much yet, but it looks interesting. I think I played a little into it.

I read that after I sent my message and facepalmed.

[fleet gulch]

now your gpu is crying

[quasi prairie]

Nice. I haven’t been focusing on the trophies yet, just trying to get through this ginormous campaign.

[devout berry]

nah it looks fine, only for a moment to take ss then i set it native

[paper thicket]

YOU!!!

[devout berry]

no

[quasi prairie]

Ayo💀

Fr I normally fast travel when I’m boutta log off because I’m getting tired of riding everywhere

I believe I’m helping track down Tomoe the girl who betrayed her Archer Sensei and sided with the mongols.

Also the side missions are brutal, everytime I try to get to one main mission I end up doing 15-20 side quest

It does, I swear it’s like a domino effect.

[devout berry]

i set it to 8k and my gpu had a brain rot

no

go buy your own

[devout berry]

wtfffff

KUSO GA THAT IS A 3 FAN

MINE IS DOUBLE FAN

AND IR WAS

$420

i should have waited a LITTLE LONGER

oh that is a deal?

[granite nacelle]

me when turning into keanu reeves

[devout berry]

idk tbh

its a different brand

something something ghost

[quasi prairie]

[devout berry]

i have this one

[quasi prairie]

Wouldn’t be surprised lol

[devout berry]

it will, so you should wait

40s brings dlss 3, 30s just died

a massive L

to the face

yeah that

looks about the same price

yeah why is the pic like that lol

gonna wait for 3090 prices to drop around $500 then snatch myself one

actually

gonna wait and see how amd goes

if amd got better shit for lower price compared to 40s then im going amd

amd's new gen of cpus already beat the shit out of intel's best cpu in market lol

yeah but fuck them power hungry cpus

[stark oyster]

💀

[granite nacelle]

same

[somber valve]

@quaint crest

this is a certified BHVR moment

[frail wind]

bruh ive been asked to stfu, didnt know insults were warnable

[queen torrent]

why is v so, thick.

[frail wind]

implants

[normal crown]

y'know its funny, cuz its legit the player who has the option to make her thicc so you already know the answer

😎

[vital vector]

[queen torrent]

bro
look at her back

v breaking her spine in that pose

[normal crown]

ong

[quaint crest]

weskuh put yer bugs away weskuh

[devout berry]

what do you know

[granite nacelle]

zamn bro

[queen torrent]

v got that big personality implant

[granite nacelle]

[devout berry]

samurai by all meanings

[queen torrent]

cool...
sword

[honest crane]

Nice. I wonder when it's gonna release on PC

[granite nacelle]

that sword is so big and round

[honest crane]

What you looking at?

[queen torrent]

the sword.

[honest crane]

Very nice and round sword ngl

[devout berry]

that is the sun not the sword

[granite nacelle]

they look the same

[queen torrent]

what are those jeans called

[granite nacelle]

the sun looks like it exploded in that picture

good question

i need those on my fem V

[devout berry]

its rogue's jeans, modded

[granite nacelle]

i want

[stark oyster]

Bruh

[queen torrent]

so i can't get v a big personality without mods?

[devout berry]

i think this color car doesn't exist in vanilla game, not sure

[devout berry]

nope, everything about my character is modded, the jacket, the jeans, the heels, even the body rig, by default it is not shaped like that

[granite nacelle]

i need to mod the big personality

rn

i will be down bad tho

[broken lodge]

@normal crown I made a host of a gank duo block me because I kept parrying his dumbass

[queen torrent]

bruh.
i mean at least I can make v look like female keanu reeves

[devout berry]

this car looks lit from inside

[granite nacelle]

the cars look so good in the game

[devout berry]

man i wish this game had coop

[granite nacelle]

which body rig

[devout berry]

would be more fun

[granite nacelle]

i see like 200

rigs

[granite nacelle]

so true

[devout berry]

hyst's

hyst's rig deform

makes the body shape as close as to realistic

[granite nacelle]

i found it

[queen torrent]

me when death stranding

[devout berry]

forgot to mention even my pose is modded

[queen torrent]

the jojo poses in cp2077 are kinda weird

funny

but weird

[devout berry]

josuke's pose my fav

[granite nacelle]

do you have a pic of that in game

[devout berry]

nah i replaced my poses

[woven anvil]

is splatoon 3 any good?

[vernal tiger]

It’s a splatoon game

They’re always a good time

[paper thicket]

Nahh wtf

The cake

[devout berry]

there is no cake

[paper thicket]

[honest crane]

Cake probably be cyberbussing

[paper thicket]

Serious cyber cake

Fuganer hornymods @devout berry

[devout berry]

it's just tight pants and realistic body rig 🙄

Ain't gonna wear ugly ass baggy Turkish pants

[honest crane]

:GETOUTOFMYHEADGETOUTOFMYHEAD:

DAMNIT

[honest crane]

💀

[devout berry]

you know what they look like? Lol

[honest crane]

Yes

[devout berry]

I wonder if @vital vector ever wore one of those baggy pants before lol

[vital vector]

Which ones?

[honest crane]

The Turkish ones

[devout berry]

are there types of them?

I just know they are baggy

old culture wearing

[broken lodge]

@normal crown one of the bosses in Wo Long Fallen Dynasty

[harsh tree]

Literally that one elden ring boss

And that one sekiro boss

[broken galleon]

Did you see hideo Kojima in Arasaka tower?

Found some wierd pink pumpkins!

[queen torrent]

doing all the side missions before I start the last mission.
tryna get fully chromed before bitch slapping adam smasher

[broken galleon]

This is one of the first missions

With jackie

[broken lodge]

P much lmao

[queen torrent]

then nah i missed it

[broken galleon]

Hes hanging out in the bar talking about the future of the brain dance medium like Kojima would

I find myself staring at the smoke particle fx alot in cyberpunk

[queen torrent]

same

quick question

w the sandevistian

do u have to be in combat to use it?

because I'm trying to hold e and use it and time just doesn't slow

[broken galleon]

Not sure, I only have the kerenzikov

It works when hitting dodge button while aiming

Check your keybindings

[queen torrent]

yeah my key bingings are good

so

idk

might be bug

[broken galleon]

@queen torrent https://www.reddit.com/r/LowSodiumCyberpunk/comments/t0a84o/i_have_kerenzikov_i_keep_holding_down_e_and/

Might be another implant messing with it

[queen torrent]

ah alr

i'll remove the kerenzikov then

that's probs why

[broken galleon]

I'm gonna get one soon so I'll figure it out lol

Hacking people is so powerful its almost game breaking lol

But I guess it would be lol. Really hope a sequel makes cyberpyscosis a real risk

[queen torrent]

kinda felt that hacking was kinda under used

I don't really use it that much

only really use ping to mark enemies.

sandevistian just isn't working

removed all cyberware that slows down time

just doesn't work

[broken galleon]

I can go through entire main story missions without being seen once just from hacking and no stealth abilities

Alot of times just from a security camera

[queen torrent]

yea

security cameras are eh

kinda mid

[broken galleon]

Contagion is amazing when it's fully upgraded

[queen torrent]

i'll probs try it out

[broken galleon]

It can affect a whole crew of enemies with one use

[queen torrent]

damn

[broken galleon]

There are perks that increase the amount of times it can jump to people

[queen torrent]

too bad I put all my attributes so far into body and reflexes

[broken galleon]

Also detonate grenade

I had one of the weirdest bugs ever yesterday

Suddenly a soda can just appeared above my head

And wouldn't go away

I had to reload the game and it worked fine...but still no idea how it happened

[queen torrent]

got it to work

had to restart

[broken galleon]

So I went to the afterlife bar and decided to take a screenshot as close as possible to the shot in the anime

[stark oyster]

Brug

[broken galleon]

Pretty insane right?

[stark oyster]

It's interesting for sure.

I'm just not much interested in the anime.

[shrewd sparrow]

I saw some people doing this on reddit. Apparently basically every location in the anime can be found somewhere ingame and looks the same. I love that they did that really makes the world feels one in the same

Like they could have gotten away with just making similar streets and locations to the game

But the fact that they locations are the SAME down to the last detail

Actually wild

[shrewd sparrow]

Watch edgerunners

[broken galleon]

If you enjoy the game, your doing yourself a disservice by not giving it a chance. You don't get a rotten tomatoes rating like this without doing something special

Sometimes things are as good as people say they are, like breaking bad for example

I wish I had listened to people about breaking bad sooner lol

[stark oyster]

Not having a good experience with Edgerunner fans.

[stark oyster]

The first 10 mins bored the hell outta me.

[shrewd sparrow]

How does that deter you from watching the show?

[stark oyster]

I don't wish to associate myself with those People.

[shrewd sparrow]

I recommended it to my family in 2019....

I'm still the only one of us to have watched it

[shrewd sparrow]

You're not associated with anyone by just watching the show

That doesn't make amy sense

[stark oyster]

amh

Fudge

Anyways, I guess so.

[shrewd sparrow]

If you don't wanna be associated with certain people then don't associate with them 🤷‍♂️

Every fan base has it's cring

[stark oyster]

The cring is here though.

[shrewd sparrow]

I mean you have a dmc PFP and that fan base gets super cring

[stark oyster]

Depends I guess.

[shrewd sparrow]

It doesn't make the games bad

Same with every game/show/movie/etc.

Every community

[stark oyster]

Fr

[shrewd sparrow]

I neglected Undertale for a long time because of the fanbase

And after playing it that's when I learned my lesson

Just play games you wanna play or watch things you wanna watch

Don't let how you will be perceived as a fan of that thing deter you from ever giving it a chance

It's just a toxic mindset to be in

[stark oyster]

Words of wisdom.

I'll probably watch it at some point, I'm rather bogged down with how many things are going on.

[charred gust]

except the jojo community

[somber valve]

genshin is getting an anime btw

just gonna add some salt to the wound

[harsh tree]

Every anime community: “MY CHARACTER SOLORS STFU!”

Jojo community: “what guy do you think is the hottest? ”

[charred gust]

i know like generalizing a community is wrong

but literally every single soul i know that's a jojo fan is the type of person you after talking to for 10 seconds

[harsh tree]

Unless it’s funny

Then it’s comedy

[charred gust]

and it has absolutely nothing with the fact that they're jojo fans

it's just like a skill tree in an RPG game, jojo fan - horrible personality traits

[broken galleon]

The show starts out with a dude in his underwear after he wrecks an rv in the desert....how is that boring!

Its the fact that the audience and critics both agree to that degree that makes it special.

Its almost as bad as that daredevil spinoff that I can't remember the name of becuase it was that shitty

Her super power was suffering from OCD apparently and karate

[charred gust]

whats interesting about that anime is how it revived the game

shows u how people's opinion on something can flip entirely depending on what you put inside their heads before consuming it

[shrewd sparrow]

Weebs are unfortunately the loudest community on the internet. If you get them talking about your game...

[stark oyster]

You know how many people have copied and pasted that speech? "My name is Walter Hartwell White and I live on 308..."

That bored the hell outta me.

[shrewd sparrow]

I think people who either decided to not give the game a chance or just bandwagon hated it are finally seeing it for what it is

Because the internet influences people on how they think way more than they like to admit

[charred gust]

for me thats not even it, it's how u just know its the same people who were shitting on the game at launch that are now praising the shit out of it, because of a fucking anime

[stark oyster]

Ironic huh? A triple A game was basically dying into obscurity and an anime brought it back into the spotlight.

[charred gust]

the conclusion is really are these type of people reliable to give you a proper review ? absolutely not which brings us back to the whole try it for yourself and don't take people's word for it

[stark oyster]

I personally don't like cyberpunk too much, I beat the game (last mission but got bored) and it felt empty. Not to mention I was playing on a last gen console.

Doesn't excuse CDPR lying to consoles though.

"Runs surprisingly well."

[shrewd sparrow]

No that's literally my entire point.

People let the internet completely influence and control how they think so when everyone was calling cyberpunk garbage it was a garbage game. Now that the anime had come out and is almost perfect now it's cool to like cyberpunk and everyone wants to be a fan of the "underrated gem that got an undeserved bad reputation at launch"

But the truth is, even coming from me a day 1 fan of the game despite everything... It's bad reputation was (and still kind of is) 100% deserved.

I dont think I have to re iterate for the 100th time why I consider it to be a masterpiece and why it's one of my favorite games of a time but despite that I'm not blind to it's Bible length list of flaws.

[quasi prairie]

If you don’t like Cyperbunk you don’t like Keanu reeves, and if you don’t like keanue reeves. Than we got a problem

[shrewd sparrow]

Yet now people pretend like it is a perfect underrated gem of a game and then I get shit on for pointing out it's flaws even though it's a game I hold very dearly

[quasi prairie]

What in the grammatically proper format fuck is that.

[stark oyster]

Cp2077's rep was 100% deserved, I agree. But, sending death threats to the devs is a big no no.

[quasi prairie]

People seriously sent death threats over a game?

[stark oyster]

People just need to learn it's just a game, you don't need to kill people over it.

[quasi prairie]

[stark oyster]

TLoU part 2.

The actor for Abby got so much hate...

[quasi prairie]

Yeah, don’t remind me. I thought we were over that phase.

[stark oyster]

Multiple death threats a day.

[stark oyster]

My apologies.

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes. To the devs too... As if it's the devs fault the game got released in an unfinished state

[quasi prairie]

I just don’t see from a mental pov how you can send a death threat over a game.

Sure you may be upset, but to go as far as to send a death threat.💀

[stark oyster]

Well, it is somewhat their fault for releasing it in a bad state. But, not entirely they were pressured by stock holders.

[charred gust]

"I get shit on for pointing out it's flaws even though it's a game I hold very dearly" if you defended it before the anime came out you'd get called someone with shit taste, if you say anything bad about it now they'll crucify you, it's just the bandwagon mentality a group of "gamers" have

[shrewd sparrow]

It's like sending death threats to an actor/voice actor because they play a character you don't like in a piece of fiction

[quasi prairie]

I could understand a heated conversation if you are passionate about a game and someone speaks illy of it. But a death threat, cmon

[charred gust]

whats ironic and annoying is the death threats come from the type of person who just wants to ride the hype train of the game, if you actually care about the game and want a good product at the end you won't mind a delay (considering you've been around long enough to know what happens when a game is rushed)

[shrewd sparrow]

Lmao I can't believe I've put up with this shit for almost two years now.

Literally up until the anime came out defending cyberpunk online was putting a target on my back but I really didn't care as I've always found it to be a game worth defending despite everything.

Truth is I'm just happy people are finally seeing it for what it is. Sure it's not perfect but it deserves the recognition it's getting because it's certainly a game worth playing

[charred gust]

YEAH WOO CYBERPUNK 2077 I WANT IT NOW SO IM GONNA SEND DEATH THREATS TO CDPR WHILE PRETENDING I KNEW WHO THEY WERE OR PLAYED ANY OF THEIR PREVIOUS GAMES!!!

[shrewd sparrow]

Game devs aren't responsible for release dates

[charred gust]

then when the game comes out WHY IS IT RUNNING BAD ON MY BASE PS4 AT LAUNCH DAY

[stark oyster]

But they're responsible for delays?

[quasi prairie]

Me personally I’ve been disappointed in some games, rarely felt. But still I wouldn’t send a death threat.

[stark oyster]

It's childish.

[shrewd sparrow]

No. They just come to work, do their job and get paid like any of the rest of us.

It's the execs who are in charge of PR and marketing including release dates and delays

[stark oyster]

A death threat over a games state is just sad.

[quasi prairie]

I mean I can possibly see someone with a mental challenge doing so because they can’t control their emotions/actions as well.

But still I think it’s childish.

[charred gust]

the problem for me has been going around forever, people seem to just never grow the fuck up and learn to have a critical mind, this kind of shit always comes from the type of "gamer" that plays only the stuff that goes viral and is more in it for the sense of belonging than actually playing games and having fun

[stark oyster]

Well, of course. But when I mean "devs" I mean like the whole company not just the coders and such.

[quasi prairie]

I was disappointed with cyperpunk, and unpopular opinion I didn’t care much for elden ring.

[stark oyster]

I didn't like Elden Ring at all.

It's rather boring.

[quasi prairie]

I wouldn’t say it was boring, it was beautifully put and deserved every award. Just didn’t appeal to me is all.

The darksouls vibe is there but just some games don’t click with me if that makes sense.

[stark oyster]

I got bored personally, I don't like games that just strive to be difficult.

[charred gust]

resident evil 6, the order 1886, ac unity, arkham knight, cyberpunk, days gone, list goes on and on when it comes to "hey guys let's all gang up and hate on this game we've never played or even have any experience with the franchise it belongs to because thats the general opinion!"

[stark oyster]

Plus, I've never understood a Fromsoft story. Other than sekiro

[quasi prairie]

Sekiro was a masterpiece to me.

I liked the challenging boss fights especially the 3-4 phase ones.

[stark oyster]

I haven't beaten it yet, but it was fun.

[quasi prairie]

10/10 you have to beat it. I recommend the grind to the end.

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah. I often have to face a lot of shit because I don't conform to the hivemind.

I have many "hot takes" about so much different shit because I just like the shit I like. I rarely let the internet influence me unless I've done enough research to form an educated opinion about something even if I haven't played or watched it (which I do believe in btw)

But people bandwagon while being very ill-informed. 75% of people who shit on cyberpunk never played it and couldn't explain to me atleast one thing that happens in the story

[charred gust]

and then you have those r3tards that try to unironically say you're wrong for going against the general opinion like that's even the point, you're allowed to dislike a game if that's your legit genuine opinion, i however know it's not when shit like this cyberpunk situation happens

[stark oyster]

You're all wrong.
refuses to elaborate

[quasi prairie]

Too many fokin paragraphs

Wait I found a better gif

[shrewd sparrow]

Fromsoftware games don't do this. Besides maybe DS2

[quasi prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-dizzy-pokemon-gif-24252714

Pikachu

I think generally a lot of gaming companies release games too soon and with too many micro transactions.

[charred gust]

why do i know that the 75% you're talking about are the same type that got hyped over stray as well as RE village ?

and we all know why they got hyped over RE village

[quasi prairie]

I miss the old ways of taking time and releasing a game bug free with no micros needed. And if you wanted to buy anything it was just added content.

[charred gust]

[quasi prairie]

Aye resident evil village is a chad game imo.

[stark oyster]

The older more tactical Ethan?

[quasi prairie]

Mommy Dimitrescu

[shrewd sparrow]

It's pretty easy to tell. People who genuinely dislike something can explain to you in somewhat detail what they don't like about it. People who just hate because it's trendy tend to not be able to describe why it's bad.

They just say "it's buggy and has a shit story" and then tell you to cope

[quasi prairie]

I have friends on both spectrums and it’s fun when they talk about games.

The ones with thorough reasoning behind their dislike of a game, and those who say it’s shit stay mad.

[stark oyster]

[quasi prairie]

Dying light 1 I am biased too ngl

[charred gust]

thats literally me with my friends over cod, fifa, nba or any of the other major sports games

like they'll say some dumb shit like man this year's game is so bad last year was so much better

like no its fucking not, you're playing a fundamentally indifferent game that's just a reskin of last year's, i know that and i'll still have fun with them but people are either too dumb to realize it or just like being in denial

[quasi prairie]

Fortnite became the gateway to a new era of a majority acceptance to micro transactions covered in the form of “battle passes.”

[shrewd sparrow]

I remember having these sorts of discussions with star wars.

When the prequels came out they were hated. For good reason too. Objectively they are poor films. (Whether you like them or not as star wars stories is irrelevant as it's completely subjective)

But George Lucas is not a good director, and a lot of the performances in the films turned out to be really bland. The writing is objectively bad and cliche and all 3 movies suffer from serious pacing issues.

My generation however grew up with these movies. I loved them as a kid and so did everyone else. The difference is that I eventually realized that they simply are not that good from a filmmaking perspective but dare I say that online

People are blinded by nostalgia and fuelled by bandwagon praise

[quasi prairie]

Some People are sheep what can I say.

They see others doing it on these streaming platforms and join in.

And targeting younger audiences is a genius move on their end.

[stark oyster]

I literally can't hate Skyrim because of nostalgia.

[charred gust]

right

[shrewd sparrow]

I hate that content creators and journalist publications have such an influence on people too.

I literally have a friend that refuses to play anything moist crititical doesn't like

[charred gust]

trying to argue with someone who has both those about something

boi

[stark oyster]

The amount of dopamine that courses through me when I see "Bethesda Softworks" or Todd Howard and his infamous jacket.

[shrewd sparrow]

Cause Skyrim is actually a good game. I mean it's got it's flaws but it was a generational defining game

[stark oyster]

[charred gust]

your friend is what i like to call the normie "gamer", as in the type of person who'll play those 4 or 5 high profile games of the year and nothing else

[shrewd sparrow]

Good story, good gameplay, tons of replayability, great exploration, good quests, etc.

Skyrim is actually just good

[charred gust]

they're the type of person you can bet your house on what were the games they played that year

[shrewd sparrow]

It's just buggy and looks like shit because it's a Bethesda game

[stark oyster]

Bethesda may uhh... Have some ironing to do with bugs.

I'm still fairly hyped for Starfield and TES6 though.

[shrewd sparrow]

He's a good guy I don't wanna seem like I'm talking shit it's just hell see me playing a game and be like "is that game even good??? Critical said it was trash"

Like I don't give a shit what critical said

Critical doesn't control my wallet

Or my enjoyment with a game

[stark oyster]

I only trust Angry Joe.

[charred gust]

the problem for me is when these clowns are held in high regard as some of sort of gaming savants

when the majority of them are normies themselves

[charred gust]

he used to be outspoken and i was a fan until around the late ps3 era

[quasi prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/normie-alert-gif-25227838

[shrewd sparrow]

It's just because he's funny and people like him so they take his opinion as fact

Whereas you should just take his opinion as... Opinion

[charred gust]

like i remember 2013 was the year where i started to go like ok bruh whats happened to u

then the next 2 years were the nail in the coffin for me, he became a majority reviewer

[shrewd sparrow]

I always respect gameranx's "before you buy" series because even though I literally disagree almost 90% of the time probably, they constantly say things like "mileage may vary" "this is just my opinion" "some players will enjoy this mechanic more than others" "this probably isn't for everyone" etc etc

They are very open about being totally opinionated

They aren't making blanket statements like "this is dogshit don't waste your time"

Even with saints row they iterated what the game was doing right for them

[stark oyster]

He still somewhat is agreeable with most things.

[shrewd sparrow]

Meanwhile Charlie just says saints row is dogshit don't play it (which even though is probably true for most people it's not helpful to JUST shit on a game)

Like if you can't say ONE nice thing about a game

You shouldn't be reviewing it

[stark oyster]

It's gameplay is okay. That's the only good thing about it.

[shrewd sparrow]

One game I personally HATED was horizon forbidden West but I'm happy to say that the game is fucking gorgeous and the combat is really fun (when it works)

But the story, pacing, and open world design were just not for me

Felt like the game was treating me like a baby

[charred gust]

i'm about to say some elitist shit but at this point it's become necessary, with alot of these reviewers you can tell they haven't been around long enough to be even able of formulating an opinion on a game, it's like a food reviewer that goes "i don't like tomatoes so i'm not gonna judge the quality of it on this sandwich", there's some mofos out there that have played 2 or 3 games in their life and expect every other game to be similar to that, it's why the whole "this game is slow" thing is so common and why some idiots will unironically say some shit like ""if a game only gets good after a certain point its bad"", if you want to shoot guns go play a game where you can shoot guns, the fact is if your review is gonna be based off the fact that you weren't interested in anything related to the game then you shouldn't post it in the first place

[charred gust]

thats why it pains me to see him like that, he's one of those guys that know what he's talking about and can spot generic garbage and low effort spots and point it out

he went from "there were a couple of times during the game where...., i had these sections where..." to "the gameplay is just terrible right"

new angry joe to me perfectly represents what's wrong with game reviewers these days, they often times give me the impression of playing through the prologue and maybe an hour or 2 then writing the review

[leaden orchid]

Listening to what people think and then digesting it in your own way is one thing, but no one should ever listen to people’s takes like the objective truth or smth

I also still like Angry Joe just because of how true to himself he is and how entertaining he makes his reviews

Though I disagree a lot of the time, it’s still fine

[shrewd sparrow]

This also causes a weird sense of entitlement in gaming. People think that companies owe them something when they don't. Game studios are there to make games that they want to make and sell them to people who want them to play it.

You aren't entitled to GTA6 because you are a dedicated GTAO player, you aren't entitled to an easy mode in elden ring because the game isnt "accessible" enough or whatever bullshit, you aren't entitled to ubisoft giving you the old ac format, you aren't entitled to your favorite pvp fps to make the balancing changes you want, you aren't entitled to Fortnite adding your favorite franchise to the game (or the opposite) etc etc so on so forth

[quasi prairie]

Content creators have to abide by certain rules, they cannot speak their minds, be true to themselves. Or just be them. Not to 100%.

[leaden orchid]

What rules

[quasi prairie]

Sadly content creators are run by their audience not themself. And if they overstep or say one wrong thing. It’s done.

Being in the media influence business myself, I’ve learned that you have to avoid certain topics or matters. And have to promote certain things or stray away from.

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah that's why I said I'm okay with doing research and coming up with an educated opinion on something wether you've played/watched it or not

That's why I also say you can tell who is who. There's people that have never played say, elden ring, but can come up with a valid excuse to like/dislike it vs people that just hate it based off false pretenses because they have no fucking clue what they are talking about

Common examples: "it's hard just to be hard" "set difficulty is bad game design" "the game isn't accessible enough"etc.

These are all bullshit reasons to dislike the game

It's okay to say "the difficulty isn't for me, the game is too hard and I much prefer simpler games"

[leaden orchid]

Well I know that as a YouTuber I have to follow the YT guidelines. And I’m currently on Techland’s content creator program thing, but that doesn’t stop me from pointing out mistakes or being negative about the game at all.

[quasi prairie]

Well to each their own opinion remember @shrewd sparrow we can’t judge others for viewing games certain ways.

Everyone has their own thoughts on things, and though we may not agree. It’s human nature.

[leaden orchid]

I wouldn’t count social media platform guidelines as rules that people have to follow in regards to “being true to themselves”

[shrewd sparrow]

Oh if you bandwagon hate a game off of something that's simply untrue I'm gonna judge

[quasi prairie]

Well since you do Yt you understand. @leaden orchid but in America I’ve noticed we have to be careful how we speak sometimes.

[shrewd sparrow]

Again it's okay to say "the game is too hard for me so I don't like it" it's not okay to say "the game is hard just to be hard and that's bad game design"

[quasi prairie]

We can voice our opinions always of course. But the consequences have proven to be dire from previous examples.

[leaden orchid]

Lol land of the “free”

[shrewd sparrow]

Because it's hard for a very good reason and it doesn't make it bad game design

Elden ring is a very well designed game

[quasi prairie]

Unfortunately our freedoms are slowly being jabbed at, so even talking about our freedom rights being potentially revoked could cause issues lol.

[leaden orchid]

There was an entire podcast talking about difficulty in games, it was very interesting. The podcast itself is about 8 hours long but 4 hours of it was dedicated to that topic

Mostly analyzing and responding to a video that says that people are entitled to easier difficulties

[charred gust]

this is what alot of people don't understand, its even more obvious when you consider the amount of times we've known sites like IGN to have paid reviews

[shrewd sparrow]

I haven't heard that but I've heard like every argument under the sun for both sides of the difficulty argument

[charred gust]

also when you see shit like those gameplay demos where you can tell the guy hasn't played more than 1 game in their life, that game being the one shown to you

[quasi prairie]

Well content creators do need money. And what better what than a paid sponsorship to advertise something to their audience.

I understand why they do it. But sometimes you gotta do what you need to keep your business going.

[leaden orchid]

I remember when I had to take down my early impressions video of DL2 because Techland requested it

[shrewd sparrow]

Again. Entitlement. You don't deserve to be handheld through a game just because YOU choose to "just play games for fun"

It does not matter why YOU choose to play videogames. This game is built to be a challenge for players to take satisfaction in overcoming. If that's not for you that's totally fine. It's very easy to just not play it

[quasi prairie]

And I completely agree you can tell when people haven’t played the game and solely just advertise it. But I understand why.

[shrewd sparrow]

Not every game is made for everyone

[leaden orchid]

Even though I followed the guidelines and even used other content creator vids as reference to how much I should say.

[charred gust]

yeah i don't blame them tbh considering alot of them use that as their main source of income, at the end of the day the community's not ever gonna change

[leaden orchid]

And I think it’s cus I said smth negative, even though I didn’t go into specifics

[shrewd sparrow]

#censorship

[quasi prairie]

True, all I do is just do me. And I don’t judge others. As long as it doesn’t effect me or my family negatively. I don’t see reason to bother.

@leaden orchid Yah that’s how it is sometimes. You simply speak your mind but sometimes certain people/organizations/groups etc don’t like it and come after you.

[shrewd sparrow]

Literally nineteen-thousand eighty-four

[quasi prairie]

More so in America it’s a bit harsher on our content creators lol.

[charred gust]

thats probably because they realize how fragile people are to a purchase, especially when its an AAA game and someone as much as says one negative thing about it these days

[quasi prairie]

I mean I still enjoy being a young thriving content creator. I’m actually working with a member of Twitch who’s mentoring me how to grow.

[charred gust]

people act like the games they "like" are perfect

[quasi prairie]

I learned most of my inside knowledge of how to be a content creator/social media influencer from him.

[shrewd sparrow]

Oh god you just gave me flashbacks to all the times people said "this is literally the next cyberpunk" in #💬︱dying-light-2 pre-launch

It was twice a day atleast

"this is gonna turn out to be cyberpunk all over again"

[leaden orchid]

What’s funny about it is that I phrased it like “there’s one core thing I don’t like about it, but otherwise I’m really excited to get my hands on the game” which was true.

And the one thing I was concerned about was the gravity lol

[shrewd sparrow]

Little did they know DL2 was worse

[leaden orchid]

Funny how it’s not an issue for me on release, it just felt awful on controler maybe

But yeah, when I redid the video I just simply didn’t mention my early impressions of the game and focused on the preview event itself. I was still true to myself there

[shrewd sparrow]

You were probably fresh off DL1 where crane is way too heavy

[leaden orchid]

Yeah

I’m perfectly fine with gravity

[quasi prairie]

That’s cool atleast. Always gotta be true with yourself I say.

[leaden orchid]

DL1 feels off when I play it now lol

[shrewd sparrow]

I agree

[charred gust]

criticism is absolutely necessary and so is having the mindset as a consumer to accept it and not let it sway you from giving the game a shot, nothing's perfect, people would just rather hear a good first impression to jump on the hype train of a game they know nothing about and thats the sad truth

[shrewd sparrow]

You fall way too quickly

[quasi prairie]

Man dl1 and the following was the best. I played that day in and day out.

[leaden orchid]

[quasi prairie]

I missed running over things with my buggy in the following.

[shrewd sparrow]

People seem to be in a mindset that a game is either perfect or garbage which is why I hate the /10 scoring system

Like what's the point of having 10 numbers if we only use 7-10? Why is 7 a dogshit game that's not worth playing? Then what does that make 0?

Why is 5 not a perfectly average videogame? Why is that reserved for 8?

This is why I just use /3

1/3 - bad - fine. Either nothing redeemable or a few good qualities.

2/3 - average - good. Worth checking out but not super amazing

3/3 - reserved for a "life-changing" experience. Not literally, (although sometimes) but just a really great game that changed my outlook or a game that I continuously thought/think about long after playing it

The word "masterpiece" to me is subjective

[leaden orchid]

Oh yes

I hate the scoring system

Where people somehow think 7 is average

5 literally is the middle, it should be average

[charred gust]

scores are dumb plain and simple, say what you like about the game and what you don't, give a summary of what the game is about, say how the game does things better than others in the genre, that's how you uplift it and actually give it the equivalent of a number in a review

[shrewd sparrow]

Don't even get me started on 100% scoring systems

Wtf am I supposed to takeaway from a "63.5% definitely worth checking out??"

If it's worth checking out why is it only slightly above average

What even is "average"

[leaden orchid]

When people want watered down reviews, this is how it is

[charred gust]

if a game with college project animations / models / polishing gets an 8/10 you've failed as a reviewer and should quit

[leaden orchid]

Sometimes people just don’t want to spend time reading or watching and only want a score metric to gauge some worth from it

[stark oyster]

Monetized!!!

[shrewd sparrow]

It works for movies and shows

Because there's a ton of objective standards in filmmaking

[stark oyster]

I tried to wall run, and broke my ankles

[shrewd sparrow]

Films can be objectively very bad

[leaden orchid]

Uh

Depends

[shrewd sparrow]

Games have a lot more complexity

[leaden orchid]

On what you think objective means

[charred gust]

its so dumb in games because of how many genres there are

[leaden orchid]

True objectivity can never be achieved

[charred gust]

like how do you justify this system that can give an RTS game a 10/10 and an FPS a 6/10

[shrewd sparrow]

There's a lot more objective standards in film than videogames

[leaden orchid]

Again, depends on what you mean by “objective”

[leaden orchid]

Absolute objectivity can only be attained by an omniscient being with knowledge of everything

[leaden orchid]

So the common definition rather than the philosophical definition

[shrewd sparrow]

There's tons of qualities to film that are purely objective

[stark oyster]

Me fr

[leaden orchid]

We can only be less subjective

[stark oyster]

I know everything.

[leaden orchid]

Not objective

[shrewd sparrow]

There are correct ways to shoot, there is objectively good writing and objectively bad writing there is objectively good scene direction

Gaming has this but it also has GAMEPLAY

And gameplay RARELY has an objective metric tied to it

[leaden orchid]

And what determines such rules that makes things more “good” or “bad”?

They will be valued differently and judged differently

[shrewd sparrow]

Because if you have no idea how to set up a shot or use a camera the shot will look bad because as a society we have a pretty set guideline in what good film looks like

Things are naturally visually appealing and so we try to hit that in cinema

[leaden orchid]

So society determines what is good and bad, a subjective thing

[stark oyster]

Society!

[shrewd sparrow]

Basically everyone can agree that having a light source in the shot is better than shooting darkness

[charred gust]

for me theres certain things that we can all just agree upon, it's what makes the difference between amateurs and pros, for movies i'm talking about dodgy camera movements, transitioning between scenes, making sure the scene is well lit up....for games it's mostly just animations as well as the presentation, and not breaking that immersion where you start seeing how it's all just a bunch of models moving around in a sandbox

[leaden orchid]

Some would value darkness, it’s still subjective

[shrewd sparrow]

Please find me someone who wants to pay for a movie ticket to watch a film of complete darkness an 0 audio

lol

[charred gust]

from the same point of view that you view scientific results off of, it's just the technical stuff that can be objective, when you start talking about anything art related that's when subjectivity becomes a thing

[leaden orchid]

Yes, but it’s all still subjective. Instead of talking objective/subjective, it’s better to talk about what is widely accepted in society. Because society as a whole is subjective

[stark oyster]

The new Batman movie?

[shrewd sparrow]

That's an objectively bad film because it goes against what we've agreed upon to be good filmmaking

[leaden orchid]

Not when entire paradigms can shift based on new findings. We base our scientific knowledge on how we see things

[shrewd sparrow]

lol no because at 2:03:46 you can see a faint outline of Batman

[leaden orchid]

We cannot rule that out as an objective impossibility

[stark oyster]

[leaden orchid]

There’s a debate we had in music class, where there’s a song called “3:14” and it’s 3 minutes and 14 seconds of silence

Is that music?

[stark oyster]

Hmm

[leaden orchid]

An orchestra “played” it

[stark oyster]

[leaden orchid]

With sheet music and all

In front of an audience

[stark oyster]

That's a good question...

[shrewd sparrow]

By definition, no

I would consider it art

Not music.

[stark oyster]

The sound of silence could be viewed as music.

But, it could also be viewed as literally nothing.

[leaden orchid]

Our society and everything we know and value is based on our senses and experiences and since we cannot experience and sense everything we cannot be objective

[shrewd sparrow]

It's not music per our definition. I would consider it an artistic expression

[leaden orchid]

We can only mutually agree on things as a majority

Which is what I like to call the “common” term for objectivity

[stark oyster]

By definition, I would say no. But, that's because it has no substance, no beat, no song really.

[leaden orchid]

But not “philosophical” objectivity

[shrewd sparrow]

Exactly it's not music

But again I consider it art

Because art is broader

[stark oyster]

Definitely unique.

[leaden orchid]

I had an entire class that talked about this and I was really interested in it

[shrewd sparrow]

And silence in the right context can make you feel something

[stark oyster]

I wanna take it now.

[leaden orchid]

Since the musicians that played it and some others consider it music it just shows that definitions are interpreted differently

Language and meaning

Etc etc

The deeper you dig the more vague it gets

[stark oyster]

[charred gust]

not really, the point you're trying to make that nothing is objective even in science is fundamentally false when you go down to the roots of it all, there's no "We base our scientific knowledge on how we see things" when it comes to how we need nutrition to live, if we consider water as a technical object that needs to be consumed by the person in order to live (which is objectively a fact regardless of whether you agree with it or not), then the same can be said if we consider shitty camerawork in a movie / shitty audio mixing in a song

[shrewd sparrow]

They can consider it whatever they want but these words have agreed upon definitions.

I can refer to a fridge as a bicycle it doesn't mean it is

Those two words are clearly defined

[stark oyster]

[shrewd sparrow]

What we call a fridge is objectively not a bicycle per our definition of both words

[leaden orchid]

Musical notes can be silent

[shrewd sparrow]

But I can live in my own little Buble and call shit whatever I want

[leaden orchid]

And a song is composed of musical notes

If a song is composed of just silent notes, then it can be interpreted as a song

[shrewd sparrow]

I don't really have this free spirit way of thinking. I don't believe in this stuff

[charred gust]

i think the answer you're looking for lies in the question of could a deaf person hear music ? (assuming they have no hearing aids), followed by could they hear this 3 minutes and 14 seconds of silence, all of this compared to a person with normal hearing

[shrewd sparrow]

I don't care much for philosophy that has an easier explanation that's more realistic. It's fun to think about as a thought exercise but philosophy like this won't change my world view

I believe society needs to have definitions and standards

We need to have truth and lies

And wether people agree with said truth or not is up to them on an individual basis

It's not worth losing sleep over (which I'm currently doing)

[charred gust]

we do and have ever since the beginning of time, 1 + 1 = 2 and that's not gonna change ever unless you find a purpose or a situation where you have to change it, and you do but you still acknowledge that it's not the real thing

[shrewd sparrow]

Rules are literally fundamental to society. Rule of life, rule of language, rule of law. Our species wouldn't be so advanced without these things despite the fact that they pise philosophical conundrums

[leaden orchid]

I think I haven't communicated this properly.

In regards to your water statement, as far as we know, from our history and our biology and our knowledge in chemistry etc etc, that it is vital for our life and longevity. However we only know this based on our research and experience. We will never know for sure if somehow a new discovery or knowledge sometime in the future will lead to us completely changing that fact. It wasn't the water itself, it was something else in it etc etc. That is, even for what I myself think, ridiculous. But since we are not omniscient and don't know everything, we cannot rule that out as a literal impossibility, only an improbability based on our findings.

The exact same thing can be said with camerawork and audio mixing. You and me will consider a higher quality audio file as better (clearer and takes up more file space), but that's due to how we've outlined and determined our own rules based on our experiences, and how we interpret said "rules". The rules are also communicated across in a language that could be interpreted in different mediums and in different translations.

I'm not saying that we can't value anything more or less because we simply don't know everything, I'm just saying we should not call things objective, as true objectivity is simply impossible for us.

[shrewd sparrow]

But we have built society.

I'll take the philosophical conundrums

[leaden orchid]

Rules, language, and law based on experiences and determined by human beings with each individual thoughts and interpretations of their surroundings

It's like the colour thing.

Red to me may be green to you, and we can never ever know for sure if that will be true or false

[shrewd sparrow]

Occam's razor

In this case

[leaden orchid]

Is that the term for the conundrum?

[shrewd sparrow]

No it's a philosophical and theoretical "razor" that says the simplest explanation is the usually the best

In this case: If it's simpler to accept the definition out species has come to mostly agree upon them we should just accept it

[leaden orchid]

Oh

Yeah I agree, otherwise society will collapse lol

[shrewd sparrow]

I do like the thought exercise though

It reminds me of old vsauce videos

That man used to raw dog 13 year old me---

[leaden orchid]

At the end of the day all of this was because I'm being pedantic about the use of the word objectivity, so I apologise if I wasted your time

[shrewd sparrow]

He used to blow my mind

[leaden orchid]

Vsauce is great, I also like to watch other channels like Veratisium

Though that is far less philosophical

[shrewd sparrow]

I don't mind it I appreciate the philosophy

It's just for me it's easier to just accept that most people would probably prefer what we consider "good" cinema over what we consider "bad" Cinema

And that it's not so night and day with games

Even WITH definitions

[leaden orchid]

And I agree myself, it allows a frame of reference that (almost) everyone can agree upon

[shrewd sparrow]

Because you aren't just a passive viewer but an active player

[leaden orchid]

Otherwise if we're being too abstract then we cannot converse things

[shrewd sparrow]

I also personally think videogames themselves are too new of an art form for us to even try to fully define

[leaden orchid]

Video games are a lot more complicated just because they're an interactive media

[shrewd sparrow]

It's really difficult to accurately pinpoint why "good" games work but why "good" games can be hated by so many people

[leaden orchid]

And that adds a whole nother thick layer to things

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah because even though people can mostly agree on what makes "good" mechanics and what "good" gameplay can look like but almost no one can agree totally

Like how can a game like Fortnite exist

Being so publicly disliked (both for the meme and not) but also be one of the most played games in the world for 5 consecutive years

I can't think of any movies with this heavy of a contrast off the top of my head

Besides maybe movies that critics loved but audiences hated

But that's not even the same either

[leaden orchid]

Fortnite benefits from multiple things:

• Free to play
• Battle Royale (during the time it was very popular)
• Tons of other gamemodes (like creative)
• Both PvP and PvE, catering to greater audience
• The promotional crossovers (skins like Chief and Kratos lol)
• Child friendly (no swearing / blood / simplistic art style that matches a lot of cartoons that parents would relate to and allow their kids to play)

[shrewd sparrow]

I'm so hyped for those melee creative tools

Can't wait to play dark souls in Fortnite

[leaden orchid]

That's what got Roblox really popular more recently right?

[leaden orchid]

I forgot to address this. I'm not entirely sure what I would consider it tbh, I only know of this song because of music class, and we opened dialogue about it for like the first half an hour of it.

Funnily enough it doesn't fit the first definition but it fits the second one

But then again it's still debated by musicians

Because you can argue that lack of sound contributes to music, but only contextually

When contextually used WITH sound, it can be considered music perhaps?

However an entire piece that has absolutely zero sound can not be considered

Yeah, in that context it's used in tandem with sound

Also I'm wrong it's not 3:16, it's 4:33

https://youtu.be/yoAbXwr3qkg

The host talks about how it's all about the sound of silence and the small things that people hear around them

So it's a different experience each time

[shrewd sparrow]

Well even if it's music it's atleast not a song then

I personally still wouldnt call it music

I'd call it art.

Just art

That feels more apt to me

[leaden orchid]

Actually that makes me think

[shrewd sparrow]

Because it's less about the audio more about the experience

[leaden orchid]

What kind of art form is it?

[shrewd sparrow]

Art makes you feel

[leaden orchid]

Because all music is art but we call it music, we have visual art like paintings etc, and dramatic arts in acting

[shrewd sparrow]

Just art. Art can be formless

[leaden orchid]

What would that be considered?

[shrewd sparrow]

Art can be uneven sidewalk lines or misprinted coins

[leaden orchid]

True

[shrewd sparrow]

It just makes you feel something

[leaden orchid]

I remember the discussion of this in my philosophy class one time, where there was the example where someone took of his glasses and put them on the floor in a museum exhibition. All of a sudden people thought it was part of the exhibition and began taking pictures of it.

It makes you wonder how something can be considered art because of the institution

And the context it's in

Rather than it's existence itself

[shrewd sparrow]

And I'd argue that this silent "song" isn't music because music is generally orchestral. You hear it and the emotion comes from the audio I think this silent "song" is more about the experience and feeling as a whole not just the silence itself

Especially since you mentioned it's about just being there in the moment and taking in the surroundings

Causing it technically to be a different "song" each time

Oh no Jackson Pollock

Bros a genius

Put a diarrhea poo stain on a canvas and let rich assholes pay millions for it

They aren't even doing it cause it's art they just think it gives them status

Which I guess is actually technically part of the art itself

[leaden orchid]

Reminds me of Ex Machina when they talk about it in a scene

[shrewd sparrow]

Maybe the idea that rich idiots will pay so much for something so worthless IS the art itself and Jackson Pollock is actually a GENIUS

[charred gust]

For the first point, the thing is we already know what's in it that we need, the transformations that happen inside of our body that can be expressed with chemical reactions tell us exactly how they happen and why they happen in such a manner which is what makes it objective, there's absolutely nothing that can change it in the future and make it subjective, to give you another example we know for a fact that certain chromosomal abnormalities ALWAYS lead to certain deficiencies (either mental or physical), down syndrome for example being a result of having a third copy of 21, the only possibility that this wouldn't be an objective fact is if you were discussing another species that does not suffer from these same results.

"You and me will consider a higher quality audio file as better (clearer and takes up more file space), but that's due to how we've outlined and determined our own rules based on our experiences, and how we interpret said "rules", the point i was trying to make is there's a certain level / threshold where you can talk about objectivity even in art and that's the extremely shitty level, if someone sent you an audio file of earrape and called it a song or showed you a video that was very poorly shot (you can't see or hear shit basically and it's a pointless waste of a good camera) and called it a movie then you can just freely objectively say that it's nothing but a shitpost, the reason being that it doesn't even achieve what it was advertised as, if you acknowledge that music and film has an objective definition then i'm sure you'll also acknowledge that said definition has to be conformed to atleast on a certain level (i'm excluding the situations where the director purposely uses unfamiliar angles or sounds to create certain vibes / feelings for the viewer)

[charred gust]

as a followup, what i'm saying is no matter how subjective the end result and the final product can be, you can always trace it back and weigh it with certain objective standards, simply put you can't make anything if you don't have a basis to start with, and you can't improve if you have nothing to compare your work with.

[shrewd sparrow]

Government shouldn't have been collecting taxes in the first place 🤷‍♂️

Certified boy lover

We don't need half the shit taxes go towards. And what we do need isn't even being accomplished by taxes

Instead of maybe just removing funds from police departments and giving them to schools how about we re allocate the funds to allow for better trained police officers and more competent school boards

Same here. There's 4 inch deep potholes in the roads

[leaden orchid]

What if a film writer director wanted to go out there and make a romance film, but the finished product only has platonic relationships and is instead considered one of the best dramatical thrillers in film history. He failed to do what he wanted to do, but it's still considered successful and "good" <- At least in regards to how we value filmmaking. I don't think intent and advertisement has anything to do with it.

"if you acknowledge that music and film has an objective definition" I do not, as I don't see it as an objective definition. It's a definition based on words formulated in a pattern that we interpret, all of which is made up by us humans as language.

In regards to the first point, we know this much about water, but we fundamentally do not know if there is more to learn, so we cannot universally say for sure.

[stark oyster]

PhilosopherGG

[leaden orchid]

Standards that aren't objective because we base standards on our experiences and knowledge and our subjective thoughts

I mean isn't that why people try to devalue other people's opinions by saying "you have poor standards"

[stark oyster]

Fr

[shrewd sparrow]

That's what I'm saying. Everyone wants to just take away funds from the police I'm saying we should just re allocate how those funds are being used. Put it towards better training and such.

Same with schools. In highschool my school was rich as hell but would just buy new TV's and gym equipment and shit. Whereas they could use those funds to better train the teachers

[leaden orchid]

But as a human being I would almost certainly agree with you on the majority of things when considering what is good or bad, it's just not objective. It's just you and my subjective takes on things @charred gust

There's fucking dubstep genres out there which is literally earrape and people enjoy it

Bass boosting is a common thing, to which some people may take it to extremes and still unironically enjoy it

[stark oyster]

Teachers are criminally underappreciated. They teach kids that hate them, literally disrespect them. All after getting a teaching license. Where I am, you can teach college without a degree, but not high school. It's weird, schooling needs some amendments.

[shrewd sparrow]

I'd come into the cafeteria in the morning and see 4 new TV's playing a slideshow of pictures of the school and then go to first period social studies and study with a textbook that looks like It personally lived through the fall of Rome to teach me about it

[leaden orchid]

I agree, teachers are greatly underappreciated as a lot of young people's successes can be thanks to them

Yet a lot of times they're underpaid and deal with shitty students

[shrewd sparrow]

Teachers basically can't win. If they are "chill" and laid back they are "lazy" and "not doing their job" if they are passionate and serious they are "too strict" and "mean"

[stark oyster]

I will say though, I have had a fair share of teachers that just didn't want to teach. So, they didn't. I learned little my sophomore year.

[stark oyster]

There's a balance, it's rather hard to find though.

Being chill, but still making work get done is a good standard to go for.

[shrewd sparrow]

The education system is just fundamentally flawed in it's current state.

Even if a teacher is great at teaching the material and is able to make most people WANT to learn there will still always be kids that don't give a shit and then blame the teacher

[stark oyster]

True

[shrewd sparrow]

Full-time mandatory education is goofy after 8th grade

[stark oyster]

On another thing, there is 1 janitor in my school. One.

[shrewd sparrow]

It should be part time and half the year

[stark oyster]

My middle school years were ASS

[leaden orchid]

My physics teacher took my brother's class on a skydiving trip

[stark oyster]

My criminal justice teacher took me to a jail.

[leaden orchid]

He was in his first year teaching at our school so he didn't do anything extreme, but by the time he was teaching my younger brother he did that

[shrewd sparrow]

You live in a country with a good education system

[leaden orchid]

Spain

My chemistry teacher also was a Warhammer & miniature fan and he took some to school one day to show them off

[stark oyster]

Now I'm sad... My history teacher was a gamer man, he was badass. He got fired I think. He always talked about a teaching degree or something.

He had a cool nickname too "Thor".

[normal crown]

Good

[leaden orchid]

Sounds fun tho

My drama class went to Turkey one time

[charred gust]

middle and high school teachers are criminally underpaid btw

[stark oyster]

Did you visit Alpvia?

[normal crown]

Legit looks like a sekiro boss

Lmfao

[stark oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-light2-friends-reunion-gif-21727150

[leaden orchid]

Funnily enough I stayed in someone's house whose name was Alper

[stark oyster]

Discord rather slow today...

[leaden orchid]

@vital vector

[stark oyster]

[leaden orchid]

It wasn't Alp lol he was around my age, but it's a funny coincidence

This was back in like 2015 when I was 17 ish

[stark oyster]

Alper seems to be a very common name.

[normal crown]

Alpguy

[leaden orchid]

ooo

[stark oyster]

Mexican food.

[leaden orchid]

Try the jamon iberico or iberian ham

[stark oyster]

Chimichangas are amazing bro.

[leaden orchid]

There's also manchego cheese

And tons of olive stuff too

[stark oyster]

Dude, I learned about that in my Spanish class.

It sounds so familiar.

[leaden orchid]

US Mexican is very different to Mexican Mexican

[normal crown]

@stark oyster you never should've out ur server in ur bio

[leaden orchid]

But you won't get that in Spain

[stark oyster]

Oh shit

[leaden orchid]

It's fucking expensive bro

Even a plate can be like 30+

The shitty store bought stuff is still expensive as well

[stark oyster]

How good is it?

[leaden orchid]

Fucking amazing

[stark oyster]

10/10?

[leaden orchid]

Though tbh, it doesn't blend well with other stuff, I like to have it either on its own or on toast w/ manchego cheese

@normal crown Where in spain are you going

[stark oyster]

Ah

[shrewd sparrow]

Nah that's a big generalization

[stark oyster]

I don't feel like it is, the food in Mexico is of course going to be more regional. The U.S. version is going to try and adapt to that palate more.

[leaden orchid]

It's just like UK Indian vs actual Indian, every Indian I've talked to has told me that Indian food in the UK is so different

And my mum was thoroughly disappointed when she went to Mexico and found out that the Mexican food there was so different lol

[leaden orchid]

As someone who grew up in the US eating US Mexican food

Barca is cool, never been there myself tho

[shrewd sparrow]

I've had authentic Mexican Mexican food

Here in the US

[leaden orchid]

Paris is a shithole tbh

[stark oyster]

[leaden orchid]

Good luck trying to get up the eiffel tower with 50k people in a line in front of you

As well as the French people in Paris are so rude

[stark oyster]

I hate the French!!!!!!!

[shrewd sparrow]

I've had Mexican food here in the US with 1st gen Mexican immigrants who recommended it to me

[blazing wraith]

screw canadian French ppl!!!

[stark oyster]

Fr!!!

[blazing wraith]

they are assholes!!!

[leaden orchid]

Lucky, I guess it's all about what restaurant you go to. But if you compare typical Mexican food in the US to typical food in Mexico it's vastly different

[viral compass]

I found the horse game in Cyberpunk

[shrewd sparrow]

French Canadians are unironically racist

[stark oyster]

Roach.

[blazing wraith]

🗿

[stark oyster]

VERY. My friend who's Canadian says the N-word like there's no tomorrow.

[viral compass]

whut

[blazing wraith]

oh.

[leaden orchid]

When I was in Sydney I was living with Asian room mates, and they took me to authentic Asian restaurants there where I was literally the only non Asian person there

The food was fucking fantastic tho

[shrewd sparrow]

It was in California. Had a friend who's parents immigrated to America while the mother was pregnant with the first kid so he would be an American citizen and have American birthrights

[stark oyster]

AsianGG

[shrewd sparrow]

Unrelated but it's awful to think about that struggle

[leaden orchid]

Good, that's better at least

[shrewd sparrow]

That I've never had. Any authentic Asian food

[leaden orchid]

I think that's why a lot of countries have that outlawed now right? Giving birth in a country doesn't make that person a citizen. It's why I'm not a citizen of the UK despite being born there, since they stopped doing that in like 86

[viral compass]

I've never had any authentic food.

[shrewd sparrow]

Panda Express still slaps tho idc HOW we Americans botched the shit out of their good cuisine

[viral compass]

It's all been synthetic.

[stark oyster]

How?$?!!?!??!?!

[leaden orchid]

Some of the stuff on the menu was... interesting.

[stark oyster]

It tastes like plastic, is it not authentic??

[shrewd sparrow]

It's still a thing in the U.S. You are a citizen if you were born here

[leaden orchid]

I had the conservative stuff lol

[viral compass]

Deets?

[leaden orchid]

wtf are deets

[stark oyster]

DEETS NUTS

[leaden orchid]

Oh wtf, interesting

[leaden orchid]

[broken lodge]

Fr lmao

[shrewd sparrow]

You even get special "birth"rights that aren't afforded to immigrants

[stark oyster]

[viral compass]

nah but seriously what were the menu items?

[stark oyster]

I'm genuinely proud of that deez nuts joke.

[leaden orchid]

Lots of weird seafood stuff, and there was something like frog there too

[viral compass]

You should be.

[broken lodge]

Yk Aussie

They're an actual snack

[leaden orchid]

I had quail eggs there and I was surprised as to how fucking amazing they were

[broken lodge]

[stark oyster]

Squid

Ew

Escargot I think.

[viral compass]

escargot

[leaden orchid]

I never liked seafood outside of tuna and sometimes prawn and fish if prepared with tons of batter or in a spring roll

[viral compass]

escargot

[stark oyster]

[stark oyster]

You like salmon?

I had crab once, it was way too much effort.

Damn crab is built like a tank.

[plain vine]

Salmon is good, if it is cooked correctly.

[shrewd sparrow]

I don't like seafood but I really don't think I've ever had GOOD seafood

[leaden orchid]

Salmon when my mum prepares it, drenched in soy and teriyaki sauce lol

[shrewd sparrow]

Also boys... #🎯︱other-games moment

[leaden orchid]

otherwise no

#🎯︱other-games is the cooler #⭐︱general

[stark oyster]

That sounds amazing.

[viral compass]

I just came here to say something about Cyberpunk.

[stark oyster]

From other games to food chat.

[broken lodge]

Change channel name to Otherfood when

[shrewd sparrow]

There was an entire philosophical arc between

[stark oyster]

Exactly, it's weird.

[leaden orchid]

My dad ate sea urchin one time to show how in touch he is with his Maori heritage (they eat it a lot). He never ate it before and it was horrible for him lmao

I guess it's sorta like surstromming for swedes

[stark oyster]

[broken lodge]

What do they taste like anyways?

[stark oyster]

Sea urchin is apparently like sweet.

[leaden orchid]

I don't know I would never even try one lol

[broken lodge]

Interesting

[plain vine]

Sea urchin is nasty asf.

[stark oyster]

It is.

[broken lodge]

Go grab one and eat it

[viral compass]

I would probably try one. Once.

[broken lodge]

[stark oyster]

I'd try it though.

[broken lodge]

Like, a live one

[viral compass]

Oh?

Oldboy style?

[stark oyster]

That's how they cook it, yes.

[broken lodge]

Boil it while it lives

[stark oyster]

It's like lobster, or crab. When it's dead it rots quickly.

[broken lodge]

Jk

Damn

[viral compass]

Just like you

[stark oyster]

Not yet...

[broken lodge]

Not yet

[stark oyster]

[broken lodge]

[viral compass]

Perpetually stinky.

[broken lodge]

Anyways, I've never had lobster or crab for the 19 years I've been alive

Ok I'm going back to work

[stark oyster]

See ya

[viral compass]

Do that.

Never return.

[broken lodge]

I'm always here

You just don't know it

[plain vine]

Same.

[viral compass]

Damn liberals always lurking in the shadows.

I'm too weak to spicy food.

[stark oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-political-gif-21438301

[viral compass]

My mouf hurt.

[stark oyster]

Unhurt it.

[vernal crater]

uff

[viral compass]

I got orang juce

[stark oyster]

uff

[vernal crater]

[stark oyster]

You have issues man

[viral compass]

what does that mean, Crex?

[vernal crater]

What?

[viral compass]

Ain't spicy enough unless you can't taste anything except your taste buds being boiled.

[stark oyster]

Bro is trying to burn a hole through his head.

Fr

[plain vine]

Facts.

[viral compass]

https://tenor.com/view/empty-brain-loading-gif-20731521

[plain vine]

[viral compass]

I would literally die to death if I had to eat something that spicy people consider spicy.

[plain vine]

Me too.

That's why I am surprised Richie is still alive.

[viral compass]

Go to heck

I would be pepper griffin when he eats a rice cake.

@stark oyster

[stark oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-dmc-vergil-summoning-summon-dmc-gif-25651651

[viral compass]

Kippa do the thing to Richie

Pro gamer move.

[stark oyster]

Need? YOU NEED DEEZ NUTS!!!!

[viral compass]

Thank you.

[stark oyster]

[broken galleon]

we still talkin about that troll song?

because a song without any sound at all in it, isnt music by definition lol

it is a great troll move though

the ultimate smart ass creation in music

i had alot of debates with people in the industrial music chatroom on this file sharing program called soulseek that im not sure is even still around today

merzbrow for instance, is one of the biggest artists in the "noise" genre

https://youtu.be/fR_8gpJCT4I it might be hard to believe, but this isnt a joke. this dude is VERY serious about his....art

share how long you were able to listen to it!

[blazing wraith]

wow look it's the boiler room.

so exciting

wait

are they IN a boiler room? or is it just the group name.

Bofa?

oh no

did I get tricked into something?

[broken galleon]

the band name is "merzbow"

one of the biggest names in the "noise" genre

[blazing wraith]

So is this just like

the boiler room footage?

doesn't seem that exciting

[broken galleon]

its some club in tokyo

[blazing wraith]

oh.

[broken galleon]

this is a live performance of his.....music

which in my opinion, is the opposite of music

[normal crown]

Now

[broken galleon]

it has no rythm, no coherence, no melody, its literally the same noise if you hooked a mic up to an old tv playing static

but they try to claim its music

art can be any type of personal expression, but music is a specific type of art, therefor the excuse "its art" cant be used to claim its music. you can claim its art, but you cant use that excuse to also say its music

[blazing wraith]

it's just noise?

?

sounds wack and boring

[broken galleon]

Yes, but try telling that to a legitimate fan of the music

[primal siren]

Heya guys what other games are ya playing?

[broken lodge]

https://youtu.be/jw1ZfSrLMgY

@normal crown we can fight Malenia the way it's intended now

[fleet gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsaOCkQjVBg these guys will make bloodborne inside of elden ring before you know it

[broken lodge]

It's kinda like

Pseudo Bloodborne LOTR

There's a trick weapon but it's.. okay.

I'm waiting for the more proper trick weapons if possible

[fleet gulch]

Thinking how early the mod is, and that 90% of it so far was made by only 1 guy, imagine what the team could do

[broken lodge]

I do have faith in the team. A lot of impressive stuff

The modding scene in general has evolved rapidly

[fleet gulch]

I actually got garden of eyes mod this month, really been enjoying it

[broken lodge]

We'll see how long it takes before we get modded bosses with their own movesets

I might get it when my PC comes in

After trying other mods with Riz

Garden of Eyes is on his Patreon, isn't it?

iirc, at least

[fleet gulch]

yeah

[broken lodge]

What's your favorite weapon from it?

[fleet gulch]

so far, serosh claws that turn me into HOARAH LOUX, WARRIOR

[broken lodge]

Oh those

A big reason I wanna get the mod

It just looks so fun to use

[fleet gulch]

THEY ARE

YOU CAN USE HIS THROWN ON HUMAN SIZED ENEMIES

[fleet gulch]

[broken lodge]

We throw eachother around

Or you bully human sized enemies using it with the homies

[quasi prairie]

I click the dying light 2 server and this is the first thing I see.

[fleet gulch]

Good

[devout berry]

how I wanna deal with my parents rn

[fleet gulch]

ayo what

[devout berry]

what

[granite nacelle]

ayo

💀

[honest creek]

💀

[hollow vector]

Straight from 2010

[fleet gulch]

Probably even earlier

[devout berry]

OFF WITH YOUR HEAD

[stiff patrol]

Oh lawd he dead

He really dead

[somber valve]

"ayo, vibe check"

[normal crown]

Lesgo 😳

[dry spruce]

Flawless pistol

[stark oyster]

Cyberpunk 2077! Flawless game.

[dry spruce]

It's a fun game but have some bugs still kinda esh

[stark oyster]

There are still a bunch of bugs.

A lot less than where it started though.

[honest crane]

Imagine Cyberpunk had co-op

[normal crown]

The fact that the dude is hitting headshots