🎯︱other-games

[stiff patrol]

I have 3 intake and one outtake

Never had problems ever with temps

And I use stock cooler and a 3080

[devout berry]

does it matter if you have more outtakes?

[devout berry]

what's the max temp you get?

also your cpu

[fleet gulch]

It cycles the air more efficiently and keeps the temps quite low

[stiff patrol]

On gpu is around 75

Cpu idk I never check

[devout berry]

well my gpu doesn't get higher than 72

[devout berry]

💀

what's your cpu?

[stiff patrol]

3600

[devout berry]

my cpu goes bonkers only, the gpu never gets higher

[devout berry]

I see

[fleet gulch]

I have 3 intakes and 2 exhausts and my temps never exceed 65 degrees

[devout berry]

cpu or gpu?

[fleet gulch]

on both

[stiff patrol]

Damn that’s a good case for thermals

[devout berry]

I'm more weary about my cpu cuz it reaches 80, max I got with panel open was 81, my gpu never gets high

[fleet gulch]

It's a pretty cheap case but I know how to handle thermals, and I also got a pretty big cpu cooler

[devout berry]

3 in front and 2 on top?

[fleet gulch]

3 front, 1 top and 1 back, that's the best setup for my setup

having no intake fans is really bad since you are starving your coolers

[stiff patrol]

Why nzxt is not so good for it

As front is just solid panel

[devout berry]

should I unscrew the 2 on top and install them on front

[fleet gulch]

do you know how to orient them so they can be intakes?

or do they have any signs showing which way the pull air?

[stiff patrol]

Send a picture of one of the fans on both sides

[devout berry]

well.. I know nothing tbh, never mind I won't try anything I don't know about, I'll just check if I can find cheap fans and have someone install them for me

[devout berry]

why

[stiff patrol]

So I can see orientation you need to put them

For intake

[devout berry]

eh

I'll let them

I'm gonna get 3 more fans

for the front

if they are cheap

[stiff patrol]

What ones do you have currently?

[devout berry]

the 2 on top and 1 on back

[stiff patrol]

I mean brand of fans

[fleet gulch]

how long till fh5?

[devout berry]

oh

[devout berry]

idk, how do I check?

[stiff patrol]

might say on back in small writing somewhere or have a product number

[stiff patrol]

73% done

buit

[devout berry]

I'll check

[stiff patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-spinning-fan-gif-21550083

[fleet gulch]

bruh

[stiff patrol]

WHY HAS TIME GONE UP

[honest crane]

Maybe your download speed has decreased?

[stiff patrol]

oh i fixed itr

im just a dumbass

60 mins left

[devout berry]

I don't find any writings on them, but they look like this

[stiff patrol]

did they come with the case?

[devout berry]

probably

isn't that xigmatek's logo?

[stiff patrol]

thats what i was thinking

[devout berry]

I mean when I saw the guy pick the case it already had fans inside

[stiff patrol]

i imagine its their brand of fans then

[honest crane]

Correct

[stiff patrol]

I go into dungeon and win

I will post my progress as i enter here if anyone gives a fuck

[stiff patrol]

you know what

after seeing serana attack shit i think imma be a conjurer of shit too

i wanna bring dead shit back to fight and summon stuff

[honest crane]

I do

[stiff patrol]

I just murdered many wizards

They got angry as apparently they were gonna rob it before me

[honest crane]

I can imagine how many war crimes you conquered

[stiff patrol]

Countless

And still increasing

Ok I entered and killed

But now I don’t know where I go to continue

Oh lol it part of quest

I go to different dungeon as can’t do this yet

Oooh I found a better one

poor guard

[honest crane]

He didn't know what's coming to him

[stiff patrol]

i send video of what happened

he

wasnt very prepared

[honest crane]

[stiff patrol]

Skill issue I’d say

[honest crane]

Armor issue

[fleet gulch]

should've went for 20 laps of goliath

[stiff patrol]

@honest crane

someone about to get fucking killed

idk if its me or that ghost

but i hope its the ghost

[honest crane]

probably you

[stiff patrol]

I won

[honest crane]

Oh nice lol

Guess I've underestimated you

[stiff patrol]

I got a special sword

[honest crane]

What are its stats?

[honest crane]

Noice

Are you gonna use it?

[stiff patrol]

I have it to serana for now as she seems to get real close and use one handed with her magic and such

[honest crane]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/22/23274676/meta-horizon-worlds-mature-content-18-plus-tag

[stiff patrol]

Mark what the fuck are you going to do to that shit

[honest crane]

You know how many 13 year olds will put an 18 and up tag on their profile after seeing this lol

[paper thicket]

Are u 18? "No" said no one ever.

[stiff patrol]

Literally

[weary wolf]

No

[paper thicket]

My point still stands

[weary wolf]

Your point is fake

[paper thicket]

@weary wolf check again

[honest crane]

The internet is very cautious these days of the restrictions they encounter

[weary wolf]

That’s fake

[paper thicket]

Is this fake?

[weary wolf]

Your mum is

[paper thicket]

Yea I was actually grown in a lab

https://tenor.com/view/experimenting-we-do-a-little-experimenting-roblox-r-gif-20962060

[weary wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/gremlins-cross-dress-female-silly-blink-gif-4919993

Gremlin

[paper thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-starr-jump-gif-25947983

[weary wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/tasting-milk-antony-starr-the-homelander-the-boys-lick-gif-17834498

It isn’t milk btw (By the way)

[paper thicket]

[weary wolf]

It’s your dad’s secret sauce

[stiff patrol]

The boys is hilarious

Very good show

[weary wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-the-boys-smile-gif-18692019

[fleet gulch]

done yet?

[stiff patrol]

5 mins more

[honest crane]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/22/23274348/diablo-immortal-china-winnie-the-pooh-launch-date-blizzard-netease @stiff patrol @fleet gulch

[fleet gulch]

good

[honest crane]

They're getting what they deserved lol

[stiff patrol]

R/brandnewsentence

[honest crane]

R/DiabloShitsDiabetes

[fleet gulch]

vroom vroom time?

[stiff patrol]

Very soon just finishing this

[honest crane]

"it's been 84 years"

[stiff patrol]

and now

i am ready

[fleet gulch]

I played Elden Ring for 2 hours, played on my playstation , beat stray did a few races on FH5 and my boy barely ready

[stiff patrol]

british internet

💀

[fleet gulch]

gonna have to go to the store right now

[stiff patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-spinning-fan-gif-21550083

[fleet gulch]

6 hours

4 hours I waited for you

[stiff patrol]

i cant help my wifi

it british

[dire cradle]

Oof

[honest crane]

Use mobile data

Wait nvm. That's extremely consuming lol

For that big of a download

[fleet gulch]

ready

[stiff patrol]

yes

[fleet gulch]

starting up the game rn

[fleet gulch]

vc?

[stiff patrol]

in a sec just optimisiing

[tender thistle]

captain sparkles

[fleet gulch]

is it done yet?

you got a 3080, how long does it take to optimize

[stiff patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-delayed-gandalf-delayed-gif-22956009

[stiff patrol]

i got called to help aroudn teh house

done now though

[fleet gulch]

just took 8 hours

[stiff patrol]

in my defense

around 6 of those were my wifi fault

[honest crane]

Mate took a quarter of a day just to finally play with someone

On a Sunday

[stiff patrol]

and

[honest crane]

With Summer fucking us in the ass with its sweaty temperature

[stiff patrol]

i had no plans for the whoel day

[fleet gulch]

It took me 2 hours to download the game, and 6 hours to wait to play it

[honest crane]

"I'm not mad, just disappointed"

[stiff patrol]

then buy me better wifi

[fleet gulch]

kinda losing interest in it, if we don't play soon I'll just uninstall it again, no reason to keep 100gb game that I won't play

[stiff patrol]

i can play now

[honest crane]

Finally

[fleet gulch]

vc?

[stiff patrol]

sure

[stiff patrol]

@honest crane

i bid on car

5 mins left

[vernal tiger]

Finally got triple hundreds

[green jetty]

@reef frost Dammit... Almost got the quintuple ceiling pounce.

[normal crown]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-what-do-you-want-what-do-you-mean-what-you-talking-about-gif-16262754

[somber valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792786248002437133/1000836972539031702/unknown.png

okay

[normal crown]

what dis

[somber valve]

bullshit hitbox

[reef frost]

That's some good stuff still, i got to ask.. what's the music that's playing in the background?

[green jetty]

No Prayers (Keys N Krates remix)

[honest crane]

https://www.gamesradar.com/halo-infinite-campaign-co-op-wont-have-online-matchmaking-xbox-suggests-just-using-discord/

[deft badge]

[normal crown]

The kitty is chillin

[normal crown]

"Master Chief, can you tell me what you're doing in that Discord channel?"
"Sir, groomi-"

[honest crane]

https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/power-wash-simulator-more-popular-than-halo-infinite-far-cry-5-sea-of-thieves-on-xbox-game-pass-1880802/

💀

[leaden orchid]

Odd how FC5 was compared to Infinite instead of FC6

Infinite makes sense it's a live service game that has multiplayer and came out less than a year ago

But FC5 isn't a new game

[normal crown]

Don't you love it when CPU gets lucky and screws your plans over?

[somber valve]

I can feel this image

[honest crane]

What

What does it feel like?

[somber valve]

Terrible

Brainana haunts my dreams

[normal crown]

Basically luck is a bitch and works with the opponent

[somber valve]

But That's the fun of this game

5 man BmR

My deck is

[normal crown]

Yeah this game is fun netherless, sometimes you win with luck sometimes you don't

[somber valve]

Conjure the win con

The Only thing i kno- whoop, the block meter can be bs

Like holy

Opponent keeps getting 3 and i get 4 1's in a row

[normal crown]

My deck works like this: get more brains and use the Buried Treasure for legendaries, get ton of cards using Imp Commander and early army of imps (use Ice moon whenever opponent tries to attack the Imp Commander) and overall win by having high card advantage + army of imps with Deadly

[somber valve]

I keep conjuring so i dont lose cards

Triplication, unexpected gifts

Outside conjuring or rng i consider my win con is

Conman lol

[normal crown]

Yeah, HG is best when using different environments and zombies that have special trait of "when played on environments" or "when an environment is played"

[somber valve]

BS for more conjure

[normal crown]

Yeah there's an environment for that, that conjures Teleporter trick if a zombie survives on the environment

So whenever you get Teleporter you can basically use your zombies as defense against heavy plants played by the opponent

Or use a zombie that does alot of damage to attack the Plant Hero in a clear lane

Potentially win

[vital vector]

Because they're talking about Game Pass news.

[terse forge]

If FC6 didn’t have RPG systems it would have been so much more fun

[leaden orchid]

Oh bruh I read it as just Xbox in general lol

[fleet gulch]

it's because the new influx of players it got thanks to gamepass

[dire ferry]

i got banned on halo infinite for 9 minutes because i kept killing myself in last spartan standing so i wouldnt have to keep playing because i completed my challenge i fucking hate this game so goddamn much

they ruined last spartan standing by making the level up tree shit

[wanton canopy]

what plants vs zombies game is that?

[normal crown]

PvZ Heroes

[wanton canopy]

Is it mobile? I kind of miss playing the old game

[lofty shell]

Yeah, it’s ridiculous

[strange wadi]

[misty needle]

Anybody wanna play tf2

With me and defeat merasmus

[stiff patrol]

Btw

Dlc on sale

[honest crane]

[umbral raven]

stupid ass elden ring...

[normal crown]

I forgot fc6 existed

🗿

[honest crane]

Same lol

[stable crown]

Dementia

[pure finch]

i’ve completed fc5 like 4 times

on infamous difficulty

[somber valve]

Never played any game of the FC universe

[pure finch]

3,4,5 are amazing

never played 6

[normal crown]

does FC stand for far cry

[honest crane]

Yes

[normal crown]

i downloaded 5 today because free on the gamepass thing

[pure finch]

such a fun game

it’s funny and serious at the same time@

some of the characters you meet are so funny

and the quests too

can’t talk it up enough

[weary wolf]

Huh hu hu huh

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[devout berry]

@paper thicket i have always been a monster

[paper thicket]

It was then pecked by birds

[wanton canopy]

Poor turret. Need to play that again

[honest crane]

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/grand-theft-auto-gta-cluckin-bell-real-life-rockstar-games/

[wanton canopy]

Looks like it was an sdcc pop up. Still pretty cool

[devout berry]

also

i didnt get to see the bird

[fleet gulch]

@molten pewter @vernal crater #🎮︱game-news

[molten pewter]

[honest crane]

This event sure is gonna be wild

[fleet gulch]

can't wait

[fleet gulch]

[fleet gulch]

[molten pewter]

Who cares

[fleet gulch]

Would love to be accepted

I have so many questions for them

[molten pewter]

If we don't get tickets we will sneak in

[fleet gulch]

They can't stop all of us /s

[molten pewter]

Make sure you fill out the form, very important

[fleet gulch]

I did fill it

Did you get a confirmation message tho?

For me it just cleared everything and wanna know if I did something wrong

[molten pewter]

I haven't sent mine yet, still working

[fleet gulch]

for a second I thought you said working on it. Like damn you making a novel?

[vital vector]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life2-linkin-park-it-starts-with-one-thing-hl2-hl2meme-gif-25759099

[molten pewter]

I almost have to tbh

[fleet gulch]

I made a simple description for why I want to be there

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I did include something to brag about in there

[honest crane]

What is it

[fleet gulch]

remember the christmas video?

[honest crane]

What christmas video?

I don't remember

[vital vector]

[fleet gulch]

I'm sure techland remembers

[honest crane]

Nah man come on. Tell me

[molten pewter]

OMG, the Christmas video, I forgot about that

That was awesome!

[honest crane]

Just... Okay but what about it?

Oh wait. You mean the one from December 2021?

[fleet gulch]

well duh, it's a Christmas video

[vernal crater]

Holy shit, imagine the amount of people asking me for a Photo

and how big the group photo could be

[fleet gulch]

Really hoping to be included

[honest crane]

Cock traveling by cage with other cocks stored in a plane

[fleet gulch]

[honest crane]

:lolez:

[stiff patrol]

@honest crane

[honest crane]

audience applause

[stiff patrol]

I like how gta still there

[honest crane]

:PE:

Bro wtf happened to my emotes

Finally

[stiff patrol]

Nice to see horizon on there though so far after release

[fleet gulch]

it's honestly scary how popular GTA 5 still is today

just imagine how GTA 6 would be like

[steel scaffold]

Lmfao one day

[honest crane]

GTA 6 will literally destroy the internet

Like all you will see is GTA 6 and nothing else

[stiff patrol]

Number 1 15 years later

[fleet gulch]

GTA 6 has been trending on twitter occasionally for a few months now

[honest crane]

That my friend is gonna multiply a lot until 100+ months

[steel scaffold]

Lmfao

[fleet gulch]

Just imagine how high the hype for the game is, and rockstar said they plan on surpassing our expectations

[stiff patrol]

The fact they said it is dumb

As it hasn’t now raised expectations

[fleet gulch]

Honestly, I believe they can do it, if they can put RDR2 levels of story writing and world building with amazing gameplay they might just be able do it

[steel scaffold]

They probably can but they will milk it for years and a lot of things will be focused on online shit

[fleet gulch]

Honestly, if they deliver an godlike single player experience, they can go and milk the online to give us more godlike single players games in the future

[steel scaffold]

Want more single player dlc, i know they wont but like still

It would be cool cuz not everyone is into online games

And you could still price it at like 4.99

[normal crown]

Rockstar pricing things for only 5 bucks i would love to see that

Greedy cunts they are XD

[honest crane]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/certain-affinity-unreal-engine-5-fps

[steel scaffold]

Interesting

[wanton canopy]

Could be good

[thorn dove]

Minecraft (Switch)

[honest crane]

https://twitter.com/SkillUpYT/status/1551415229262639104?t=dJWyetQKDTsVLBYmA3AtHw&s=19 @stiff patrol

Skill Up (@SkillUpYT)

Stray has just surpassed God of War to become the highest rated PC game of 2022, according to Steam250s weighted calculation.

Likes

10315

Retweets

648

Twitter · Jul 25, 2022, 3:53 AM

[fleet gulch]

[honest crane]

CAT S U P R E M A C Y

[harsh tree]

Based cat game

[stark oyster]

Miles of Crex fans

[devout berry]

for honor

the irony is that the whole playerbase is dishonorable

[stiff patrol]

That’s why it’s for honour

They try and get the honour

But never do

[wanton canopy]

CAT YES

[fleet gulch]

yo, I wanna know if we gonna play FH5 the following days, if not tell me cause I wanna get back into GTA online

[stiff patrol]

I can’t for the next few days as there is problem

I should be able to by the end of the week but not rn

[fleet gulch]

well, at the end of the week I'll be leaving for around 2 weeks

[strange wadi]

Yeah i know

And also

Almost solo'd dares

[devout berry]

well that's just crazy

[wanton canopy]

I loved that part

But to be honest there wasn't much I didn't like about that game

[devout berry]

@paper thicket i am IN SPACE

[stiff patrol]

Onvratualtione

[paper thicket]

SPAAAAAAAAACE!

[strange wadi]

[stiff patrol]

That my friend

Is autocorrect fucking up

What it is meant to say is the word congratulations

But that word came out and I thought it was better so

[strange wadi]

It made me realise the flaws in my setup

For example

No add clear without heavt

heavy

[strange wadi]

[stiff patrol]

Not good

You need recommendations?

[strange wadi]

Of course

now what i need

Is a calus mini tool

Like the one rylee reloaded uses in his lightless run

[stiff patrol]

Do you currently use an exotic weapon?

[strange wadi]

Prometheus lens

DPS

mostly

will switch over to trespasser

Once i get it

Then i'll really have some add clear ya feel me

[stiff patrol]

If you want true ad clear

[stiff patrol]

Trinity ghoul

[strange wadi]

arc 3.0

[stiff patrol]

Even without it

It is literally crazy

No aiming or anything

[strange wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjXpuUCqhnQ

[stiff patrol]

I honestly don’t personally look forward to arc 3.0

[strange wadi]

I'm on the fence ig

[strange wadi]

state thy method of acquisition

[stiff patrol]

Rng

[strange wadi]

Shit

[stiff patrol]

Yeah

[strange wadi]

any farms?

suggestions?

also i need to focking complete solstice so i can powerlevel properly

[stiff patrol]

Xur

[strange wadi]

I'll see next week

any dps suggestions?

Something ranged

Cuz i got falling guillotine already

[stiff patrol]

Sleeper simulant

Just watch your shots

Trust me

[honest crane]

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/ea-is-reportedly-making-a-single-player-open-world-black-panther-game/

[harsh tree]

It’s probably gonna not be good

I’d imagine it’ll try to be a spiderman ps4 copy and just fail

Or it could surprise me and be a Jedi fallen order situation

[steel scaffold]

Doubt it would be rated M

Probably rated T at most, remember they are trying to make as much sales as possible

[shrewd sparrow]

I think they probably want to make a good game. They've already got spiderman for sales

Wolverine not brutally killing people would feel wrong and they know it

[shrewd sparrow]

Angry because he's too predictable

[blazing wraith]

💀

For Honor players a different breed

why get at this mad for being bad at a game

[cedar linden]

Most video game players get mad at being bad at a game?

[prisma moth]

It’s for honor

Anyone who plays it has a problem

[cedar linden]

I mean the Campaign is fun, and the multiplayer gets frustrating if you play for too long

[ornate pond]

Translate for ppl who don't play for honor

[shrewd sparrow]

The game has a lot to do with making good reads and also having good reaction time so if you play in a very predictable way (doing the same thing over and over and whatnot) you'll be countered super easily.

I assume the guy who made this post played in a predictable manor and was therefore being read like a book but instead of trying to get better whines on reddit coining the term "reactards"

[ornate pond]

Lmao

[harsh tree]

He’s seething and malding because someone is playing the game correctly

[strange wadi]

classic

@stiff patrol guess who's not getting the DLCs

[stiff patrol]

What happened

[strange wadi]

idk

I guess uhhh

He changed his mind

[stiff patrol]

Are you not able to buy them?

[strange wadi]

Lmfao no

They cost an absurd amount of money

Cuz lebanon

[honest crane]

They cost around the same price as a triple A game

So I'm not surprised lol

[strange wadi]

24 dollars

that's

$480

Cuz inflation

[stiff patrol]

Legacy collection is around 30 dollars and comes with 3/5 dlc

[devout berry]

why is this game not like 80 percent off since it failed bad 💀

[fleet gulch]

thats's cause CDPR value is down 75%

[devout berry]

arent they supposed to have it on sale then

nobody will buy it full price lol

[strange wadi]

yeah exactly

but

$24 is kinda expensive for me rn

it costs 720K without taxes

1,008,000 wit taxes

[normal crown]

amazing

[honest crane]

What kind of currency do you fucking use

[vital vector]

Rocks and stones.

Sometimes pebbles, probably.

[honest crane]

1 euro is like 18 turkish liras

[weary wolf]

Sand and pebbles may break my bones, but your words won’t hurt me

[somber valve]

[strange wadi]

I'm in the economical collapse endgame

[strange wadi]

an increase of 2×

weak

[honest crane]

[strange wadi]

you're still in the prologue serdar

[strange wadi]

pebbles are worth more than LBP rn alp

[honest crane]

https://uploadvr.com/cooking-simulator-quest-2/

[stable crown]

Actually since the release of cyberpunk its more like 80%

[fleet gulch]

pretty sure it hit at 75% and stagnated there and not going lower, are they still losing value?

[stable crown]

In december 2020 at their peak they were Worth 440 PLN now theyre Worth 90

[fleet gulch]

jesus

they really fucked up

[stable crown]

In the Last 5 days they went down another 6 pln

[green jetty]

@vital vector I may have a new route for the pole challenge, and it may, just may have been inspired by your old route.

[vital vector]

[vernal crater]

occams laser music, very good decision natteee

[honest crane]

What prologue?

[honest crane]

https://gagadget.com/en/games/147163-ea-is-completely-removing-bioware-points-dlc-for-the-first-dragon-age-and-mass-effect-become-free/

[strange wadi]

economical collapse prologue

[charred gust]

what game

[ancient cypress]

Anyone played the cat game and is it good

[somber valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/723267420994666690/1001465593997824111/RDT_20220723_0025394854077108848691890.jpg

[ancient cypress]

Dam ok

[leaden orchid]

How is Elden Ring 7

I think too many people had skill issues

[stiff patrol]

Probably the performance problems in pc at launch

https://twitter.com/metaquestvr/status/1551975828442910720?s=21&t=1vqGfcg77rweRRuZfkbjxw

Meta Quest (@MetaQuestVR)

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Twitter · Jul 26, 2022, 5:00 PM

[honest crane]

Review bombing

[stiff patrol]

You lucky @honest crane

Read that tweet

[honest crane]

Thank god I already got one

[honest crane]

I'm one hell of a lucky bastard

Mark Zuckerberg, what the hell are you doing man

Fix the broken AI of that brain of yours ( a joke to Mark looking like a robot lol )

[fleet gulch]

100% people are crying cause the game is too hard for them or that they are too used with being spoon fed everything

[devout berry]

true

[stiff patrol]

And acting like one

Who the fuck puts bbq sauce on their living room shelf

[vital vector]

Or Elden Ring is just a bad game.

[stiff patrol]

[vital vector]

[honest crane]

Wtf

Why the hell does he have bbq sauce out of everything on his living room shelf

💀

Put that shit in the kitchen

[stiff patrol]

He ai

Actual idiot

[honest crane]

He definitely has Spectrum wifi in his house

[green jetty]

Wouldn't you?

It's a very beautiful ornament.

[honest crane]

Hell no lol

[stiff patrol]

If I was an ai

[devout berry]

you're a bad gamer

[honest crane]

*bad ai

Good ai wouldn't do that

[stiff patrol]

They would but mayonnaise on shelf instead

[honest crane]

:PE:

Go suck a dick, Discord

[honest crane]

https://youtu.be/9914FnO95J8

[blazing wraith]

SHEEESH

it looks awesome.

[honest crane]

Facts

[charred gust]

indeed

[stark oyster]

I feel Elden Ring is just overrated

It's literally just another Dark Souls, I don't know why people get so angry about that. 💀

[charred gust]

bloodborne remains a better game

that game nailed the theme / vibe / atmosphere aspect, which was condensed into making the experience better

[charred gust]

i mean its true, which if you wanted to extrapolate it they're all just another demons souls

you got these "diehard" fans who started with dark souls 3, didn't even bother to go back and actually revisit the roots of the franchise they claim to love talking about elden ring like it's the best game of our century, which it's not

if bloodborne didn't only exist on PS4 and have garbage frame pacing issues that give you headaches through your playthrough it would be hands down the best souls game fromsoftware has ever made, certain "modders" have made a patch which fixes the frame pacing issues, gives you basically 60 fps on the PS4 Pro (also on the base but it drops down to 720p), i haven't tried it yet but i would imagine it makes the overall experience much much better

[fleet gulch]

Bloodborne IS the best game fromsoft has made IMO, the only issues I have with it is the locked framerate and that's it

[charred gust]

^

@normal crown these rockstar mofos are still doing payout increase updates for gta

i swear i feel like they cater more to the type of players who sit there grinding the game playing the same 3 types of freeroam missions over and over again like brainless sheep instead of people looking for actual new content

[harsh tree]

Elden ring is the best because it’s the only one I fully played through

[shrewd sparrow]

Shows how there's no good way to rate video games

[shrewd sparrow]

I became a fs fan on Jan of this year. Started with DS3, played through Bloodborne, DS1, most of Sekiro, and started but didn't finish both demons souls and DS2

[stiff patrol]

At the end of the day they are all personal opinions so rating them really is just giving an opinion on them

Which some agree with and some don’t

[charred gust]

literally

people using reviews as an argument to prove a game is good or not is just dumb

like yeah here's a user score where 70% of the reviews are people who played the game for 20 minutes and then uninstalled, use that as a valid indicator of the game's quality

most major reviewers just follow what the majority of the public thinks because they're afraid of getting cancelled, and whenever i check a user review site they always show me that a good chunk of people posting the reviews havent even played the game, or atleast didn't even pay attention to what was going on

[shrewd sparrow]

I try to steer completely clear of a /10 rating system for games. In my opinion there is no way to "fairly" rate videogames because video games have very little in the way of an "objective" standard to live up too.

What I mean is with video games there can be very different games in scope, scale, and what they achieve as a video game but can have similar if not the same score. The only objective basis for video games is "does it work?" The conversation about performance issues and whatnot.

It's not like filmmaking, where despite anyone's opinions there is an objective standard to movie making. Writing, camera work, direction, pacing, etc. And while video games do have these things, yes. They also have GAMEPLAY.

Gameplay is the single most important component to any video game because it has to be good enough to keep the player invested for the entire length of the game but there is no possible way we could measure out good and bad gameplay. Gameplay and the taste for it is entirely subjective.

In short the way I rate games is by just talking about them. I either like a game or I don't. And as long as I can explain why for either side of that then I feel like I've fairly rated a video game without the need of number scores.

[charred gust]

that's a pretty good take tbh

i mean yeah what is the difference between a 7 an 8 in a video game

its even dumber when mofos start giving games 90's/100

[stiff patrol]

It’s why use steam reviews and gameranx or whatever they are called

No score just gameplay

I also use videos with no commentary or editing

[charred gust]

yeah i like the way steam does it

it also shows u the amount of time the reviewer spent on the game

[shrewd sparrow]

Putting that philosophy in the case of Stray vs. Elden Ring which are both great games but made for 2 very different types of players and exist as very different games.

Stray deserves a high rating from the people who played it, and enjoyed it. Elden Ring deserves a high rating from it's players. Comparing the two games is just silly because of how different they are in their core aspect which is gameplay

[charred gust]

if u see someone downvoting a game with less than 2 hours of gameplay, and they're not complaining about performance issues then it's automatically an L take

either that or they just don't like the genre, which i dont believe should be considered a valid review

like if u know ur not into RTS game don't even bother buying one just to say ""this game is trash"" when you would give any other game in that genre the exact same review

[stiff patrol]

My favourite reviews are for people who just say ‘it’s good’ and got like 14k hours

[charred gust]

yeah on that note im sure stray is a decent game, but if we're all being honest here its just another wagon game

people get so triggered when you suggest that fact but its true

[stiff patrol]

Cat

[charred gust]

its the exact same thing as filters on apps like instagram / snapchat, most people have the tendency to wanna do what everyone is doing to feel part of the culture

its the same with games, people need to accept that

you like a game it's fine but just acknowledge that if someone didn't tell you about it you wouldn't even know it exists, and you shouldn't use that herd logic to claim its the best game ever made

[stiff patrol]

I hate people which force games on others and their opinions

[charred gust]

^

[stiff patrol]

Like cool you like it, I don’t

[charred gust]

omg why don't you like this game, how can you say its bad

its the best game ever made!

[stiff patrol]

It’s why I love horizon but I don’t force it down peoples thoats

As I know not everyone likes it

[charred gust]

i didnt finish the first one cuz i didnt have time for it back in the day, but i could tell its the kind of game i'd get the same experience from as i did with gow, rdr2...if i gave it enough time

[stiff patrol]

Some people forget that when they talk about games

[charred gust]

i feel like a growing problem in the community is how most people tend to prefer 7 - 8 hour long games

[shrewd sparrow]

I think if you want to use number ratings there are two that I find pretty acceptable.

1 - 100
A 1 - 100 scale can work as long as you call 50 average. Since at the end of the day the score given to a game is based of the reviewers opinion, a 1 - 100 scale can be used to perfectly pinpoint how you feel about a game.

Say I found a game that was not bad, not amazing but worth checking out on sale or whatnot. I could give that game somewhere around a 65. The problem is nowadays with just the way most 1 - 100 scales work make people think that 65 is bad. It's how we were raised to think in school and such.

/3 scale
The /3 scale I think is an almost perfect video game rating scale if you HAVE to put numbers on things. A 1/3 game is somewhere between bad and fine. A 2/3 game is pretty good - really good. Something that's definitely worth playing but not something that will change your life. A 3/3 game is a life altering video game. Something that you'll think about for a very long time, something that you might be able to play over and over again and continue to love, forever.

Or you know, you could just like a game or dislike a game

[charred gust]

exactly

[stiff patrol]

IMO it’s definitely amazing and IMO one of my second favourite game ever made

[charred gust]

im thinking to replay it and then move on to the 2nd one

[stiff patrol]

Wait that wrote wrong

[charred gust]

its definitely one of those essential franchises if you want to consider yourself a true gamer

[stiff patrol]

Meant to say the second one is in my top 3 games ever

And number one is in top 5

[charred gust]

if you're one of those people who play a f2p game and the popular reddit games then you should seriously consider expanding your scope

[charred gust]

what are the other 2 for you ?

honestly i feel like if i was to make my own list it would have to do with the overall experience rather than an objective view of the game

cuz like theres games from the ps1 era that gave me experiences i rarely get these days

[stiff patrol]

Skyrim and not sure on others

[shrewd sparrow]

This is exactly why number systems don't work.

Like for example there's stuff I like about ghost recon breakpoint. There are things that that game specifically allows me to do that no other game does, and I appreciate it for that. But if I were forced to give it an /10 rating. I couldny go higher than a 4 at most

[charred gust]

my top 5 games of all time would prob be tekken tag tournament 1, crash bandicoot 3, dragon ball z infinite world, and 2 exclusives from the ps4 gen, all of them were really good but if i had to pick 2 it'd be from infamous second son, god of war, days gone and maybe the resident evil remakes

the re2/3 remakes were so special if you played the originals

they did the seemingly impossible task of recapturing the essence without straying too far, it was the manifestation of playing the future version of the game

[shrewd sparrow]

These are some games I like in no particular order besides the first 2 and without number scores tied to them

Red Dead Redemption 2
Marvels Spider-Man
Ghost of Tsushima
Uncharted 4
Assassin's Creed Origins
Assassin's Creed 3
Assassin's Creed 2
Doom Eternal
Cyberpunk 2077
Dying Light 2
Elden Ring
Bloodborne
Far Cry 5
Call of Duty MW2
Call of Duty BO2
Red Dead Redemption
The Last of Us
Fallout New Vegas
Skyrim

[charred gust]

these are all goated games that i'd also put in my definitive literal list, but like you said i don't feel like ordering makes sense

some games you'll vibe with more just depending on the mood so it's all subjective, they're still good games tho

like RDR2 is one of the best games ever made but i still wouldn't put it in my top 5 list because theres enough games up there that i had a better time with

[vital vector]

It only took them 9 years.

[charred gust]

the 2nd one is actually hilarious that they only now added it

alpha playtesting feature

[shrewd sparrow]

Idk if you read my message about what rating systems I think work but all those games I listed would be a 3/3 for me on the /3 rating

[charred gust]

yeah no i wasnt talking about you, just in general the ordering

like there's just no ordering for them when it comes to the true goats

its the same in sports when people try to compare the goats of their generation, each of them was special in its own way

[vital vector]

How many setups I've failed back in 2015 with my friends, just because our snacks weren't reset.

[charred gust]

the entire health system in that game sucks ass

especially in PVE

full health regen should've been a thing if they werent gonna make your snacks reset

[vital vector]

[charred gust]

besides its just annoying as shit to have to take cover, open up a fucking menu and eat snacks

whats even worse is when the AI moves in on you while you're in the menu

it just feels clunky and garbage, literally an alpha system

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah I don't try to rank my favorite games. I know that RDR2 is my favorite game of all time atleast 6 days of the week. I know Spider-Man is a very close second because atleast 1 day of the week I can call it my favorite game.

You are right. It all depends on your mood

[charred gust]

this is exactly why i try to hold out on playing some games when i'm not in the mood for playing games

alot of games i feel like were ruined for me because i played them at the wrong time

horizon zero dawn for example

[vital vector]

No Valve games?

[shrewd sparrow]

Never played the half life series. Portal 1 and 2 are great though

[vital vector]

[charred gust]

if i had to put one valve game in my list it'd prob be from TF2, portal 1 and 2, cs 1.6 and go

TF2 and CSGO would be the ones i had the most fun with, but i wouldn't really put them up there with the likes of the other goats

like i cant compare any of valve's games with RDR2 or GOW

[vital vector]

I can't enjoy RDR2 anymore.

It feels so boring now.

And no 60 FPS.

[charred gust]

did you get to finish the campaign atleast ?

[vital vector]

Nope.

[charred gust]

[vital vector]

I don't even want the graphics to be updated. Just want 60 FPS.

[charred gust]

^

W devs are the ones that make specific assets for consoles that don't just reuse the garbage ass assets with 2% grass and vegetation

same with PC devs

if your game on the lowest preset looks like a ps2 game might as well not make that a thing

like the lowest preset of RDR2 on PC looks like absolute trash

right

at this point we gotta start going to each gta player one by one

telling them to just move the fuck on and stop playing it

like bro i get that they're invested in the grind aspect of it

but you're indirectly being the cause of one of the greats of video game development becoming lazy and washed out

when you inevitably get bored of gtao you'll literally have nothing else to play

yeah i deadass dont know what went wrong

should've just kept the ps4 / xbox one assets as the minimum

[shrewd sparrow]

They are fine at developing online modes but their parent company (Take-Two Interactive) is obviously very into microtransactions. Most of the awful, almost scam-like business practices they do can be faulted to Take Two

[charred gust]

also resolution scaling shouldn't be a thing imo, or at the very least develop the game in mind with 70% being the bare minimum

devs deadass just prove they're lazy when they put it

like no one is gonna be playing with anything lower than 70%, the game just becomes blurry as shit and garbage

[shrewd sparrow]

Most of the OG rockstar employees and management have just left the company because of take twos grip on the company

[charred gust]

that one online outlaw mission where you rob a train showed me the potential they had

like that was peak red dead, but it was ironically also the final mission you could do in that storyline

[shrewd sparrow]

They probably couldn't justify working on it anymore to T2 because it probably wasn't making expected profits

[charred gust]

yeah T2 is becoming an issue

these are the same mofos that put actual ads in NBA 2K during loading screens

like thats peak greed

[shrewd sparrow]

They've been an issue for years. They've got their hand so far up rockstars ass their controlling them like a sock puppet. And they have been since atleast 2015

[charred gust]

like bro why dont we have an LA Noire 2

why isnt there a max payne reboot

midnight club too, i remember a time when they used to rival need for speed

[shrewd sparrow]

It seems like the way that ownership works is take two takes a step back, lets rockstar spend however long they need developing the greatest games of the generation. And then T2 steps in to monetize their live service online mode.

They have to keep jacking the price of ingame items to make people pay more for the same or even less amount of items

GTA+ is regarded as nothing more than a literal scam by the community

[leaden orchid]

Me with GTAV

[charred gust]

it is nothing more than a literal scam

its literally just a pointless cash grab

if you pay for it you're an idiot, plain and simple and it doesn't even have any ""but"" this time

like people who pay for GTA+ are the exact reason why this whole problem started

[shrewd sparrow]

People who were still paying for shark cards after 2017 are most of the issue

[leaden orchid]

Well I can never finish the GTAV story, I get bored around the merryweather heist

[charred gust]

mofos are sitting there being level 2000 having literally everything in the fucking game and still grinding it like their life depends on it playing the same shitty freeroam missions that have been in the game since launch

like bro just move the fuck on

[shrewd sparrow]

Late 2017 is when stuff in the game started getting absurdly expensive. 8 mil gets you like 2 cars now

[charred gust]

yeah i remember the premium online edition, 1 mil used to actually mean something

[shrewd sparrow]

I've played through the game like 9 times lol. I don't think the story is amazing but it's pretty good, atleast worth pushing yourself to finish

[charred gust]

i feel like if you have a game where the average payout for a mission is 15k for example, someone who would grind their way to 500k should be able to get almost anything they want

you go any higher than that you're just asking for no lifers

[harsh tree]

Me when gta 6 probably isn’t gonna live up to expectations because of how stupid the general fanbase is

[leaden orchid]

I can't bring myself to do it no matter how many times I play through it. I always stop cus I find the gameplay boring

[harsh tree]

Yeah r* games ain’t for everyone

[shrewd sparrow]

I've been playing GTA Online since it launched and I remember back then it was such a status symbol to own either the adder or the rhino tank. People who owned either or both of those vehicles were like literally praised. 1 mil was so hard to get

[harsh tree]

After a while the story carry’s and for some it just isn’t enough

[shrewd sparrow]

Fair enough. Rockstar isn't great in the gameplay department to be fair

[charred gust]

gta 5's story pacing was just garbage tho

[harsh tree]

They’re great but it can get repetitive like every other game

[charred gust]

it was in no way a gta game that had you wanting to keep playing

unlike the previous ones

the only other gta game i got bored of the story was vice city stories

[harsh tree]

Gta 4 had the best story

[shrewd sparrow]

Rooftop rumble and A Titan Of A Job Baby

[harsh tree]

Rdr2 is a 10 in everything except the online

God of war 2018 is the only game that is 100% a 10 for me

[craggy dew]

Fr the best story in a game I’ve ever played

[harsh tree]

Rdr2 is a close second

[charred gust]

5 made me realize how janky the movement system of the modern games is and how that's the first think i'll be inspecting with 6

5's movement is absolutely unacceptable when you look at the modern standard

[shrewd sparrow]

I think RDR2 has pretty lackluster gameplay but makes up for it in it's immersion so you don't really notice how dry the gameplay really is because the world is just so damn captivating

[harsh tree]

Let’s pretend the online doesn’t exist

[charred gust]

the animations and the overall feel of when your character moves, runs, jumps, gets into cover shoots...is just a solid L, deadass 1/10 animations

[shrewd sparrow]

I like it

[harsh tree]

The online has good foundations but 0 good structure

Everything about it is fucking abysmal

The card system doesn’t even allow the pvp to be fun

At least gta online has fun pvp when everything else gets boring

[charred gust]

RDR's gameplay has always been about 1 word, deadeye

[craggy dew]

Gta 6 better be good considering they killed off rdo for it

[charred gust]

atleast for me

[shrewd sparrow]

Fun pvp. Just insta locking on with an oppressor and hitting r1

[charred gust]

everything that i'm doing, i'm doing it to fill up the meter and use it, it perfectly represents the cowboy duel culture

[craggy dew]

[harsh tree]

I just hate how many people put their entire faith into gta 6, it’s not being made by the same people as gta 5 and rdr2

[craggy dew]

False

Throw a banana at them

[charred gust]

the fact that they single handedly made a meta for rdo is one of the dumbest things ive ever seen

[harsh tree]

The oppressor is easy to counter but it’s annoying as fuck

After a while if you only play on foot it becomes easy to counter every vehicle

[craggy dew]

Good thing they nerfed it

[harsh tree]

But closed death matches in gta are always pretty fun

[shrewd sparrow]

GTA Online pvp hasn't been fun for years. It's just a bunch of people in silly futuristic vehicles seeing how fast they can press 1 button on each other.

Even back in the day it was still very boring but atleast those big wars with sniper battles and such were better than the current state of the pvp

[harsh tree]

Yeah big w

[shrewd sparrow]

GTA pvp has never really taken any skill. Same with RDR

Just aim, flick up, shoot

[harsh tree]

Yeah man back in like 2015-2017 ground pvp was crazy fun but also sweaty and toxic, I got extremely good at gta online being like an annoying 12 year old but it wasn’t healthy lol

I got like 3 thousand hours, started competing for money, scammed and got scammed with modded accounts over a stupid gta game

Only good thing that came out of it was the muscle memory of pvp, I can quit gtao for years and still retain pretty good skill

So I just make money and shit on griefers when I can

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah I used to be real crazy about my KD. I would snipe people till I got close enough to use the combat MG then if I was super close it was assault shotgun all the way... 3 meta weapons but man it could be pretty fun

[harsh tree]

I didn’t care that much about KD but it was always high because of how much I used to practice

[craggy dew]

Yeah I lost my old account trying to get money on gta lol

[shrewd sparrow]

I just find it very boring nowadays. I prefer games that take a little bit more than point and shoot to be good at

[harsh tree]

Became like one of the best with the heavy sniper on ps4 and losing was infuriating to the point where I would get headaches, that when I stopped playing as much as I did.

[charred gust]

so not cod games

[shrewd sparrow]

I used to have a 2.0 now it's like a 1.46

[harsh tree]

I have a solid 1.60, literally doesn’t move forward or backwards

[craggy dew]

blowing themselves up with rocket launchers

[shrewd sparrow]

Nah man I can't get into the new cods. Last one I sunk a lot of time in was MWR. last ORIGINAL one I played a lot was BO3

[harsh tree]

And a legitimate account

I used to only roll with super modded accounts, I still have one modded accounts to test the dlc stuff if I feel like it

[craggy dew]

I would be fighting someone and once I shot them they would immediately blow themselves up

[charred gust]

cod is ruined by the balancing in core, and no one plays hardcore anymore because they're too much of pussies and have to cling on to the meta

[harsh tree]

Wish I kept my old tryhard montages Lmao, they’re so cringe

[shrewd sparrow]

True. I'm just not into it. As long as you have the combat MG or alien weapons you can just spray your opponent down

[leaden orchid]

What are games that are almost universally praised that you guys don't like / cannot enjoy / dropped before completing it?

[harsh tree]

The Witcher 3

[charred gust]

hmmmmmmmm

[harsh tree]

The most overrated game of all time

[leaden orchid]

SAME

[shrewd sparrow]

GOW2018 but I'm really trying this time. It's losing me again though

[leaden orchid]

I love the art style and story, but fuck the gameplay

[harsh tree]

Influenced the entire gaming industry when I found it completely unbeatable

Absolutely abysmal gameplay

[cedar linden]

🤓

[harsh tree]

It’s honestly not for everyone, I’ve known people who absolutely hate it and then there’s me who thinks it’s the only 10 game I’ve literally ever played

[leaden orchid]

Understandable as well

[harsh tree]

I used to think souls games were overrated but then I played elden ring and got hooked, not a game I can replay though

[leaden orchid]

Well I can't bring myself to go back to DS3 anytime soon

[cedar linden]

Bloodborne and Elden Ring are the best Soulsborne games I would say Sekiro is 3rd

[leaden orchid]

Souls games are a committment if you don't want to suck / die all the time

[charred gust]

i'd say nier, and probably most of the final fantasy games except 2

[harsh tree]

But elden ring had me hooked because of the exploration, I doubt I would want to play the super enclosed and linear souls games.

[craggy dew]

Among Us

[shrewd sparrow]

It's a really fun game and I'm super interested in the story. Last thing I did was get Mimir and get ready to go to Jotunheim but that was like a week ago now and I can't find the motivation to get back to it.

I really can't pinpoint why either, I find the gameplay really fun and again the story is interesting to me but, idk

[harsh tree]

Yeah I had to grind for like 30 hours almost straight in elden ring before I got remotely good

[charred gust]

people who shit on you for not liking them are normies

[craggy dew]

Dark Souls 3 my favorite souls game

[harsh tree]

It was my first souls game and it was brutal

It’s definitely a “fail until you get good” type of game

[charred gust]

i was there since demons souls and i still don't put any of them up there with the goats, bloodborne is almost up there tho

[leaden orchid]

I mean I don't think that's something that's praised

Surely popular, but not really loved

[craggy dew]

I was joking about that

[shrewd sparrow]

I mean they aren't for everyone. I'd much rather someone just admit "this isn't my type of game" than cry on Twitter about there not being an easy mode

[harsh tree]

Nah that’s completely understandable, I can’t pinpoint why I don’t feel compelled to play some games either

Horizon zero dawn is one that I continuously try to get into like every few months but I literally just can’t stick around

[shrewd sparrow]

Me neither

[craggy dew]

I dislike the people who want easy mode

[leaden orchid]

GOW 2018 was great but I've only played it for like 5 mins on a friend's PS. Otherwise I've only watched a full playthrough#

[cedar linden]

I think I %100 Elden Ring in 10 days

[leaden orchid]

I think easy modes are fine, as long as they don't affect normal / harder modes

There should be a distinction between difficulties to cater to all kinds of players

[charred gust]

they don't even really need an easy mode, people who complain about their difficulty or find them hard just haven't been around long enough imo, i think the main issue that people find with them is they follow the old raw animation style where the game doesn't spoonfeed you a visual indicator

[cedar linden]

220 hours to be

[leaden orchid]

DL1 didn't have difficulties on release

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah if the satisfaction of overcoming a difficult challenge doesnt mean much to you then you cant enjoy it. If those 300 times you tried to beat a boss didn't all feel worth it the moment you finally beat them, then the gameplay will just never click and that's fine

[craggy dew]

If they ever do add easy mode to souls games they should make you wear a baby bib the whole time

not removable

[harsh tree]

DL1 was balanced enough to not need any difficulties at release

[cedar linden]

It's very hard when you're level 9

[leaden orchid]

Hard was added first, then nightmare, then story mode

[harsh tree]

Normal was the perfect difficulty for everyone to get into a new ip

I remember the hype surrounding hard mode

[leaden orchid]

Normal should always be the baseline standard for anyone yeah

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah fromsoft games don't really take any skill besides Sekiro. And then there's DS2 which is just hard to be hard but not impossible or requiring a lot of skill

[leaden orchid]

Some normal modes in games feel way too easy

[harsh tree]

DL2

[leaden orchid]

And some too hard

DL2 isn't easy in that way

[craggy dew]

Bruh what?

[leaden orchid]

You can still get curbstomped even on easy

[harsh tree]

I’ve met people who have literally never even heard of DL say that DL2’s normal is way too easy

[leaden orchid]

But once you know the mechanics of the game, it becomes easy just like DL1 nightmare

[harsh tree]

Fall damage is always a bitch lol

[shrewd sparrow]

What skill is being tested of you in any fromsoftware game besides Sekiro

[harsh tree]

Timing and patience

[craggy dew]

^

learn your enemies attacks and make the right moves

[harsh tree]

Elden ring made me not consider like any other game super hard, it instilled so many different timing skills in me

[leaden orchid]

Timing, patience, situational awareness, trusting of others, knowledge of mechanics (for builds)

[craggy dew]

yup yup yup

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah but those are things you learn while playing the game. There's no inherent SKILL being tested in fromsoft games

[charred gust]

when it comes to souls like games if you put a visual indicator like some franchises do on when to parry, when to dodge no one would be complaining about their difficulty, it's just one of those things that make it so that you have to manually learn when to do that, and as you play more of the game you can even predict it

[leaden orchid]

One mistake can get you assfucked in souls games

[craggy dew]

somebody put this guy against nameless king

[green jetty]

@reef frost Episode 2 Duskmare being very daunting thus far.

[harsh tree]

It’s a skill you learn and test within the game though

[leaden orchid]

There absolutely is, what are you on about

You're constantly being tested

[craggy dew]

Define skill

[harsh tree]

Skill: me

[leaden orchid]

Yeah I would like to see what skill actually means to you

So we could understand

[craggy dew]

fr

“duuhhh well so uhh..”

[charred gust]

you need muscle memory and a brain to complete souls games

and persistence

[shrewd sparrow]

Inherent skill in my context is a skill you need to have when you first start playing the game and one that if you don't have you just can't play or there will be a massive learning curve for you.

Like for example if you play a lot of shooters, you will just inherently be better at the newest COD than someone who doesn't.

With a fromsoft game there's no baseline skill required for you to have from the get-go. Everyone has the same learning curve when it comes to fromsoftware games because the skill required to beat them are only learned while playing them

This is really hard for me to explain in text

So you guys might not get what I mean

[leaden orchid]

No, if you've played other fromsoft games I can guarantee you'll have an easier time than others who have not

Speaking from firsthand experience myself

[craggy dew]

Yeah same I beat demons souls in an instant when it came out before having played others

[harsh tree]

I had an extremely hard time at first with elden ring and it was my first serious fromsoft game

[shrewd sparrow]

Well yes because you've already been through the entire rodeo before. Did you read my entire message?

[leaden orchid]

You said everyone has the same learning curve

I disagree

[harsh tree]

Not really understanding, I think not everyone has the same learning curve

[leaden orchid]

Unless you meant something else

[charred gust]

i think what he means is that there's no skills that you can transfer from other games / transfer to other games other than the souls franchise itself in the future, which is a valid point if you consider games that make you manually have to remember the animations and parry queue are becoming a rarity, hell the only other franchise i've come across that still keeps that raw style that doesnt spoon feed you a yellow indicator is DMC, and souls likes obv

i think generally that should be an option in games, would make them reach far bigger audiences

[leaden orchid]

That explanation makes more sense

[charred gust]

i truly saw this difference during my NG+ run of GOW, when you have to block 4 / 5 enemies at once purely based off your reaction times since at that level not every hit is gonna be blockable the difficulty is just on another level

and its more fun that way if you ask me

[leaden orchid]

But at the same time there are so many games that try to emulate fromsoft games

To the point where you can play a non fromsoft game and get the vibe and skillset for one

[charred gust]

yeah i remember lords of the fallen was a high profile one i played back in the day

didnt finish it tho, i didnt like the level design

it felt like drinking water

[honest crane]

https://www.techradar.com/news/you-can-now-play-stray-in-splitscreen-multiplayer

Cat supremacy

[craggy dew]

W

[honest crane]

@stiff patrol

[craggy dew]

Too bad it’s a mod

[honest crane]

Still better than nothing

CAT SUPREMACY

[charred gust]

theres actually another thing i remembered which i find funny

[harsh tree]

Smooth and refreshing?

I know you didn’t just try to slander water bro

[charred gust]

i always throw the comparison that the batman arkham games are the opposite of souls like games

[charred gust]

hell no

it just has nothing to it

[harsh tree]

We got a soda drinker in here

Smh smh smh

Water best drink

[charred gust]

yeah but playing a game shouldnt feel like that

[leaden orchid]

I have a water jug by me every day

[charred gust]

its just weird

[harsh tree]

DL2 🫣

Definition of nothing to it but gameplay

Let’s somehow make this conversation about Garfield kart racing

[stiff patrol]

Cat

[honest crane]

Yes

[stiff patrol]

I should be in bed it’s late

And here

Like

[honest crane]

Stay up

[stiff patrol]

Cat

💀

[honest crane]

Stray up

[stiff patrol]

Ok

[honest crane]

Now

[hidden flax]

I wonder if Stray will be game of the year

[shrewd sparrow]

What I'm saying is everyone's first time playing a fs game will look pretty similar. There are obviously outliers between people who have never touched a controller and people who are maybe experienced with other melee games with similar mechanics or just video games as a whole.

However no matter who you are there is no inherent skill you need to have in order to get through one of the games, again, besides Sekiro. The reason I say that is because Sekiro, unlike the others requires fast reaction times from the player from start to finish. That is an actual skill being tested of the player; how fast can you react and act to an attack or whatnot.

The other games have nothing like that. You guys brought up timing and patience but those are things that playing the game will teach you, and you will have to learn in order to beat the game.

The games don't exclude anyone from playing them by having a specific skill required of you to play like other games.

If I gave my grandma a controller and told her to play For Honor, for example. I could tell her all the controls and I could explain the entire game to her but she probably could never actually be good at it despite her practice because the nature of the game is requiring a skill from her to play which she does not have, and that she cannot learn.

If I gave my grandma a controller and told her to beat elden ring I'm certain she could do it because everything that she would need to play and beat the game is right there in it. She could be a very below average player but it wouldn't matter because if she just kept playing she COULD beat it, no matter what.

And that's the important distinction I'm trying to make, that I'm not trying to say there is no skill involved in fromsoft games in the sense that there can't be skill gaps or a skill ceiling that you can cross and be clearly better than you were when you started and other players are when they first start.

What I AM saying is that every skill that is tested throughout the course of the game is thought to you either through direct or indirect tutorialization, and that there's no inherent skill that you need from the moment you start the game to beat it

[honest crane]

What the fuck??

[stiff patrol]

[honest crane]

Where did this essay come from

[hidden flax]

Did you copy that from a website?

[honest crane]

Probably lol

[stiff patrol]

Congratulations or sorry

[honest crane]

STRAY UP BIG BOY

[hidden flax]

I’m having a lot of fun with Far Cry 6

[honest crane]

Or you will be sent to the streets like the other strays

[stiff patrol]

But why

What shall I do?

[honest crane]

Find yourself

[stiff patrol]

Damn

[honest crane]

Ez enough

[stiff patrol]

I got sunburn

So I can’t even sleep

There is only pain

[shrewd sparrow]

No I'm trying to put into words the difference between inherent or innate skill and skill acquired through just playing

[honest crane]

See the world through a cat's eyes and interact with the environment in playful ways. Be discreet, agile, stupid and sometimes as annoying as possible against the strange inhabitants of this mysterious world.

Along the way, the cat befriends a small flying drone known only as B-12. With this new companion, the duo must find an exit.

[shrewd sparrow]

It's really difficult for me to explain this topic as well as I've heard it be explained to me in the past

[stiff patrol]

I can’t play stray rn

[honest crane]

See the world through a cat's eyes and interact with the environment in playful ways. Be discreet, agile, stupid and sometimes as annoying as possible against the strange inhabitants of this mysterious world.

Along the way, the cat befriends a small flying drone known only as B-12. With this new companion, the duo must find an exit.

[stiff patrol]

All I got is phone

[honest crane]

NOW

Play Stray on phone

Idk how but... Do it

[craggy dew]

Oh hell naw

What they do to my boy

[leaden orchid]

That's actually interesting, and I fully understand now. I do disagree though, I do think you still need fast reactions for most fromsoft games (at least DS3 and Elden Ring from what I've played). I also think the grandma analogy is silly considering many gamers struggle with fromsoft games' inherent difficulty. What does For Honor require that Elden Ring doesn't? I'm pretty sure that gamers in general can learn things from games as long as they are communicated clearly enough to them, or naturally learned through gameplay (the former is where Fromsoft sorta just doesn't tell you about many important mechanics for games, you gotta just somehow learn them or learn from others).

[stiff patrol]

Improved him

[honest crane]

Mom. Can I have Stray?

We have Stray at home sweetheart

Stray at home:

[craggy dew]

Carl Johnson

[stiff patrol]

‘Where’s my lasagna, john’

[honest crane]

GARFIELD

[stiff patrol]

Whenever someone asks me about pc Now this is what I’ll send

[honest crane]

Nah send them this

[stiff patrol]

That is awesome

[craggy dew]

wer my lasaga, jon.

[reef frost]

Finally you're doing this

Can't wait

[stiff patrol]

How’s economic collapse

[honest crane]

Hush

We ain't gonna talk about that

[stiff patrol]

[honest crane]

[harsh tree]

So when you say inherent skill you mean a skill that a player already had and is tested with certain games?

[charred gust]

what i understand from this is you're talking about like in the cod games where if you don't do dumb shit like slide canceling, use garbage strats like a shield and stun grenades you'll always stay behind compared to the ones that do, which is a valid point considering theres games out there that objectively favor people who play like that and there's nothing a legit player, no matter how good they are can do about it in certain situations

and at the same time you can have good aim and still be held back by not having those "skills"

i said "skills" because those aren't even supposed to be skills in the first place, the dumb devs made them to be because people can't play with fundamentals anymore it seems and they'd rather have something that can counter their lack of aim / game sense and need a cheap cheesy way out

[harsh tree]

What I got from it is that there are some inherent skills gamers have that other people don’t, it’s very hard for someone who’s never touched a video game in their life to have the coordination or general background game knowledge to get good at a game which tests those skills, he’s saying games like elden ring and other fromsoft games don’t have any of those inherent skills gamers pick up and can be beaten by anyone regardless of how long it takes.

I don’t necessarily agree or disagree.

[charred gust]

like take the tactical shield in warzone for example, you deadass just can't break it no matter how many bullets go through it, pair that with a stun grenade and considering the huuuuuuuuuge ass range it has it's undeniably the most overpowered garbage no skill strat in that franchise's history, and there's nothing you can do about it regardless of how good your aim / game sense is in some situations, it's just cheese

[shrewd sparrow]

I agree that sometimes you do need fast reaction time but I don't agree in the sense that it invalidates my argument.

The reason why I choose for honor is because the unpredictability of it, right? In for honor you can go against any opponent, any type of player possibly. And there's almost always a good chance that player will play in a unique manor. So the fast reaction time required to play the game will always be in effect, no matter how long you've played it. Because you can play against any player, who can do almost any combination of attacks and mixups.

However in a fs game the reaction time that may seem like it's being required of the player, can still just be learned. My grandma for example could take forever to beat a fast boss like slave knight Gael, champ gundyr, or anything I'm bloodborne because they are faster than a lot of the other bosses and therefore require faster reaction times the fact that at the end of the day they still have limited movesets and that what attacks they are doing are basically RNG you could just learn what to do when you see the startup for a certain attack or you could just get lucky with a run where they just don't do that attack that seems to get you everytime.

Feel free to prove me wrong but I don't think there are any attacks in any fromsoftware game that are faster than 250 ms

[leaden orchid]

Which is something I disagree with. It varies game by game but for the most part you'd want to cater to as many people as possible when making a game. And ideally you'd want to naturally introduce elements and mechanics to a player in a tutorial / prologue segment of your game. Tutorials literally exist for this reason. Some games even give you a mini questionnaire asking how experienced you are (new gamer, new to FPS, competitive FPS etc).

I would even argue that Fromsoft games are the kind of games that people new to gaming would struggle the most.

[harsh tree]

I believe the limited move set things also applies heavily to sekiro

I played a bit of it and it felt like the majority of other games where you have to learn a move set, once you learn and have the basics down it’s just a mastery of how to counter that changes the results.

[honest crane]

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[charred gust]

when i played demons souls i could instantly recognize the fact that i had to figure out the animation of each enemy, it reminded me of dmc3 where there was no indicator and you had to figure it out on your own, perhaps taking damage or even dying the first time before you get it on lock, after that it's just persistence and practice i'd classify that as a general skill that you can use for every game that has this level, but i feel like if games would just follow the colored indicator path moving forward it would make it not a necessity anymore

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes but I usually just exclude it from the conversation entirely just cause of how different it is

[harsh tree]

It’s not very different though

[stiff patrol]

Look at destiny 2 steam reviews

[leaden orchid]

I must be old then lol. I think Fromsoft games are fast, some enemies are an absolute nightmare. They also have pvp, which you'd need reaction times to respond to players when you're in your "dance" with each other.

[honest crane]

Show me one

[green jetty]

Oh yes. Feeling great so far. Challenging, but eager to overcome it. Though, it's going to be a side project for now. But, I'm hoping to make steady progress as soon as possible. Oh and hey, did you know that you can reflect fireballs with your blades? Learned that today, embarrassingly enough.

[harsh tree]

Sekiro requires a faster level of response than other fromsoft games but it’s still very much a “learn and respond to move set.” Game

[leaden orchid]

Yeah, it's just more intense in that regard

But it doesn't mean the other games DON'T require those skillsets

[harsh tree]

I do understand what you’re saying though, I just disagree in regards that some games have it and some games don’t, MP games where the enemies are far less predictable just have less of it.

There’s no game that’s 100% random.

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah the pvp is a different story entirely. I don't partake so I don't really have a say in it

[charred gust]

except tetris

i mean its also not 100% random since ive literally never been in a situation where they give u impossible blocks to work with but still

[leaden orchid]

I would consider pvp a main part of fs games, at least in regards to Elden Ring and DS. Invasions are so common

[honest crane]

💀 💀