#❗-1-18-experimental | PaperMC | Page 27

timber ridge Dec 17, 2021, 7:59 PM

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You’d need to read the API docs and learn how to use them. Or find another update script online.

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 7:59 PM

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I see,

sour token Dec 17, 2021, 7:59 PM

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The download flow is a fair bit more complicated

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You either need to first find the latest build for a given version, or the latest version for paper in general and then the latest build of that

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Then you need to find the downloads of a build

vapid prawn Dec 17, 2021, 8:00 PM

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shudder forceUpgrade

sour token Dec 17, 2021, 8:00 PM

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Then you can get a link to it using the API

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🥶 it's better for versatility

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:00 PM

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vapid prawn *shudder* forceUpgrade

is that something I shouldn't be doing?

vague falcon Dec 17, 2021, 8:00 PM

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ReadThePins

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PINS

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:01 PM

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sour token Then you can get a link to it using the API

I see,

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:01 PM

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vague falcon <a:ReadThePins:788204522555179038>

oh dear I see it now

vague falcon Dec 17, 2021, 8:01 PM

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lol

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:01 PM

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I, foolishly already ran this script once,

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so I presume it messed up the chunks with the force upgrade already,

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I have backups however, so I guess I can roll back to those,

vapid prawn Dec 17, 2021, 8:02 PM

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I haven't seen anyone actually sit down and try to confirm it but there are reports that doing forceUpgrade means you don't get that fancy blending of the terrain for new chunks

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You'll just get sharp borders

sour token Dec 17, 2021, 8:03 PM

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The logic for the v2 download api, I can't do that in shell script :P but I can do it in anything else

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:03 PM

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vapid prawn You'll just get sharp borders

Yikes, that's not something I'd like ElRisitas

vapid prawn Dec 17, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Only fix is to go back to your last 1.17.1 backup

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Assuming it actually happens to you, they might have had other problems and it wasn't really forceUpgrade that did it

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But I can understand why forceUpgrade would do that so I'd avoid it

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:03 PM

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vapid prawn Only fix is to go back to your last 1.17.1 backup

Okay, that shouldn't be too much of an issue,

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I, in a rather empty headed decision, figured this update process would be the same as updates prior, so just ran my default upgrade script

vapid prawn Dec 17, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Paper hasn't recommended forceUpgrade since 1.13 afaik

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 8:05 PM

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We've neeeeeever recommended forceUpgrade afaik

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:05 PM

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vapid prawn Paper hasn't recommended forceUpgrade since 1.13 afaik

you serious? uhhohhh

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 8:05 PM

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only time we ever did was for potatos in 1.13

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:05 PM

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I've been doing it since 1.13! FeelsDumbMan

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on a fairly large, 10gb map too

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 8:06 PM

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bearing in mind that 1.13 also yeeted dub chests in many scenarios and so forceUpgrade over that woulda been fun to recover

vapid prawn Dec 17, 2021, 8:06 PM

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Paper can do the chunk load and at least some of the conversion async (afaik) so it doesn't matter that much if it takes a little longer to load the first time

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It won't slow down the server, just slow down chunk loading

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And none of the updates since 1.13 have had to do all that much so it wouldn't slow it down much anyway

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:07 PM

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I see,

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So, I'm guessing it would be wise to remove the force upgrade part entirely?

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Yes

rocky nest Dec 17, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Also aikars flags

half walrusBOT Dec 17, 2021, 8:08 PM

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https://startmc.sh/

startmc.sh

Generate a Minecraft server start script in seconds.

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 8:08 PM

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/latest is also not a thing

feral spire Dec 17, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Use this to generate

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Curious how it's even in there twice ElRisitas

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:09 PM

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feral spire Use this to generate

thank you kindly

feral spire Dec 17, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Looks like server was running on root so the script is giving the mc user permission to file again after root touches the file. Will be my guess

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Ah,

blazing cedar Dec 17, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Hey, does anyone also have the problem that the server does not find the Random#nextFloat(float) method?

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 8:11 PM

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update java

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you're running an EA build

blazing cedar Dec 17, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Oh ok

vapid prawn Dec 17, 2021, 8:12 PM

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Probably Debian?

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I think Debian or Ubuntu had an openjdk-17 package that was an EA build shipped in a release

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Can't remember if they then put out a post-release update or not, probably though?

blazing cedar Dec 17, 2021, 8:13 PM

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vapid prawn Probably Debian?

I use the openjdk:17-alpine image from docker hub

vapid prawn Dec 17, 2021, 8:13 PM

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oof

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Do you have any kind of image pinning or is it grabbing the latest?

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Wouldn't surprise me if the alpine version was outdated but still, wow

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 8:14 PM

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yea, alpine ver was outdated

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:15 PM

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feral spire Use this to generate

It gives me an option here, the bottom one states 12GB+ of RAM, should I choose this option if my server has over 12gbs of ram?

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 8:15 PM

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"yes"

blazing cedar Dec 17, 2021, 8:15 PM

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vapid prawn Do you have any kind of image pinning or is it grabbing the latest?

I pulled the image a few weeks ago, I'm going to get the latest version

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 8:15 PM

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I generally recommend to go without with modern mc vers, but 🤷‍♂️

feral spire Dec 17, 2021, 8:16 PM

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I use regular one on top myself and I allocate 15G (I have special need for this, usually 10G is enough)

sour token Dec 17, 2021, 8:16 PM

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dapper lotus I generally recommend to go without with modern mc vers, but 🤷‍♂️

meanwhile modern mc vers: 🖥️ 🔥

open olive Dec 17, 2021, 8:17 PM

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Is it me or did 1.18 change on how player loads chunks when they spawn in?

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:17 PM

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feral spire I use regular one on top myself and I allocate 15G (I have special need for this...

I see, as the server I have available has a total of 32gbs of ram available,

feral spire Dec 17, 2021, 8:18 PM

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10G is good most of the time riepeek

abstract marten Dec 17, 2021, 8:18 PM

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the Folks who pay for this server are appearantly wealthy enough to spend on a fancy server, so I'm not complaining :p

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I believe it even has an i9 cpu,

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The hardware of this server is probably more expensive than my own computer coming to think of it,

open olive Dec 17, 2021, 8:19 PM

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Mean having a self hosted server is good so you don’t pay like $200 a month on a server you can’t control fully.

mortal pond Dec 17, 2021, 8:19 PM

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I can't find where the implementation("io.netty:netty-all:4.1.68.Final") // Paper line is phosconfused

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It used to be in build.gradle.kts under 1.17

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 8:20 PM

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No longer exists, we use whatever mojang uses

mortal pond Dec 17, 2021, 8:20 PM

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k

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thx

sour token Dec 17, 2021, 8:21 PM

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open olive Mean having a self hosted server is good so you don’t pay like $200 a month on ...

Yeah but the upfront cost of an entirely new machine is just not worth having a small server to play with friends for a year or two sometimes

merry haven Dec 17, 2021, 8:27 PM

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I mean I did that

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Cost me $2500

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I had to harvest 1.8 million pounds of potatoes

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And then I had this money sitting there and I wanted something people could enjoy

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Been a blast running it

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Especially since I got a UPS and everything

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And have decent internet

crude orchid Dec 17, 2021, 8:29 PM

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any idea why players cannot nametag mobs

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but i can just fine

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no way thats a perm is it?

cunning tiger Dec 17, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Is the lectern glitch fixed?

somber hinge Dec 17, 2021, 8:31 PM

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It is fixed for me, on the latest version

steel dagger Dec 17, 2021, 8:33 PM

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https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7043 Fixed 2 days ago

GitHub

Lectern broken hitbox · Issue #7043 · PaperMC/Paper

Expected behavior Should be able to walk over or on a lectern. Observed/Actual behavior See video: https://m.sjh.at/2021-12-06_18-07-00.mp4 Cannot walk across as the player is constantly teleported...

vapid prawn Dec 17, 2021, 8:44 PM

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crude orchid any idea why players cannot nametag mobs

I'd guess it's some claim/antigrief plugin

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Or since named mobs bypass the mob limit it could be some antilag feature in a plugin, don't think paper does anything like that though

dark wigeon Dec 17, 2021, 8:59 PM

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i could have sworn GP was doing it for someone

crude orchid Dec 17, 2021, 9:08 PM

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Yikes okay okay gonna make a test server and yoink plug-ins one by one ty

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Will start with mfm and gp

dreamy ermine Dec 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Hello guys,
I've got a small issue with my paper 1.18.1 server. When me and my friend try to join with the forge modloader, we cant connect and get the message: missmatched mod channel list. The thing is we use the simple voice chat plugin on the server and to make use of it you need it on our clients too so thats the reason why we need forge. IS there a way to fix the issue?

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fabric seems to work fine

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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basically, no

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complexely, yes; but, that's basically "reimplement the forge handshake"

dreamy ermine Dec 17, 2021, 9:43 PM

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As long as fabric is working i'm fine because the mod is also available there

vapid prawn Dec 17, 2021, 9:43 PM

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Unless you're doing a modpack (and even for some of those) fabric has better mods anyway

crude orchid Dec 17, 2021, 9:54 PM

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if people make animated maps

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does it cause any harm to server

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or can it

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never seen this before

mortal pond Dec 17, 2021, 9:55 PM

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dreamy ermine Hello guys, I've got a small issue with my paper 1.18.1 server. When me and my f...

Using velocity could? work

sour token Dec 17, 2021, 10:26 PM

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is it possible to allow usage of tools/eating food while in a boat, just with plugins or patches?

wicked quiver Dec 17, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Hello, I don't know much about this so I wondered if this was important re the recently discovered exploit https://www.lunasec.io/docs/blog/log4j-zero-day-severity-of-cve-2021-45046-increased/

Log4Shell Update: Severity Upgraded 3.7 -> 9.0 for Second log4j Vul...

The second Log4j vulnerability was upgraded from a CVSS score of 3.7x (limited DOS) to a CVSS score of 9.7 (limited RCE), and we explain the impact.

sour token Dec 17, 2021, 10:27 PM

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wicked quiver Hello, I don't know much about this so I wondered if this was important re the r...

we have people ask about this like 100 times a day, the RCE was already known and patched

wicked quiver Dec 17, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Ok but this suggests the patch was incomplete?

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it was realized that this fix was incomplete as bypasses were found that could result in a limited DOS for 2.15.0 users and, for users that had patched older Log4j releases using formatMsgNoLookups,

sour token Dec 17, 2021, 10:28 PM

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oh shit idk

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i dont think that minecraft servers would be vulnerable to this new version though

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i mean i could be wrong

wicked quiver Dec 17, 2021, 10:30 PM

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I'll leave the link in case you want to ask the guys, no worries

sour token Dec 17, 2021, 10:30 PM

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at no point should messages from chat be getting there

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 10:31 PM

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stupidly niche area which nobody should be using and is basically irrelevant for paper and plugins, etc

long edge Dec 17, 2021, 10:31 PM

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even with that, log4j has been bumped again on 1.16+

vapid prawn Dec 17, 2021, 10:36 PM

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1.16+ has log4j 2.16.0 so none of that applies anyway and the older versions use a filter Mojang provided that blocks messages like that from getting logged at all

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Not that older versions should matter in this channel...

sour token Dec 17, 2021, 10:37 PM

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we all have an inexplicable hatred for acknowledging/supporting old versions i mean i kinda get why

timber ridge Dec 17, 2021, 10:40 PM

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vapid prawn 1.16+ has log4j 2.16.0 so none of that applies anyway and the older versions use...

I've updated the pin in #paper-help to add this specifically, BTW

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Mentioning we're on 2.16 for supported versions.

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 10:45 PM

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https://tenor.com/6zTs.gif

Tenor

dry robin Dec 17, 2021, 10:52 PM

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would papermc on log4j 2.15 actually be vulnerable? I don't remember the patch actually completely disabling the log4j special formatting thing, just takes the upstream patch of (in-completely) neutering its ability to connect to external servers

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(this is a bit theoretical, obviously the answer is "just update" but I'm curious)

dapper lotus Dec 17, 2021, 10:54 PM

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basically, no

timber ridge Dec 17, 2021, 10:55 PM

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dry robin would papermc on log4j 2.15 actually be vulnerable? I don't remember the patch a...

I said I updated the pins, cat made a joke about no one reading, and then you post this.

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I mean that's kinda funny. :)

dry robin Dec 17, 2021, 10:56 PM

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ah I assumed the pins weren't loading properly but this isn't the channel where the pins actually are

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ty

timber ridge Dec 17, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Yeah it'd be nice if you could link to a pin somewhere.

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Maybe I should just post it here too and pin it for the fuck of it.

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Log4j exploit info in #paper-help:
#paper-help message

timber ridge Dec 17, 2021, 10:57 PM

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timber ridge Log4j exploit info in <#289587909051416579>: https://discord.com/channels/289587...

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There we go.

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Thanks, Discord, for making it super easy to spread info.

glad violet Dec 17, 2021, 11:19 PM

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YAY Time to update 🙂

normal pecan Dec 18, 2021, 12:01 AM

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anyone know of a way to display current paper build number in-game as a placeholder? is that even possible without 3rd-party intervention?

pulsar dagger Dec 18, 2021, 12:14 AM

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if you mean with placeholder api you'll need to create your own placeholder with their api most likely

echo timber Dec 18, 2021, 12:19 AM

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i'm getting jagged cut off at the edge of my render distance but if i fly out over that area and load the chunks in and then fly back to where i was i see the area with it fading into the fog. have i configured something that is causing it to not fade out into the fog properly?

dark wigeon Dec 18, 2021, 1:02 AM

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sour token is it possible to allow usage of tools/eating food while in a boat, just with pl...

you can, but only when you're not accelerating your boat. pretty sure it's client-side

sour token Dec 18, 2021, 2:06 AM

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dark wigeon you can, but only when you're not accelerating your boat. pretty sure it's clien...

oh. client-side. guess i just encourage my users to use a hacked client kekwhyper

sullen dock Dec 18, 2021, 2:41 AM

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Hello guys I noticed that when I change bukkit.yml chunk-gc.period-in-ticks from 600 to 450, the server started dropping its tps rapidly to <14, but back to 20 after I change the value back to 600 and restart

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i'm wondering if this is a bug or just a very normal behavior? ty

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sry guys i think it's a problem of my own

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 3:59 AM

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is there a guide to import 1.17 map into 1.18 as additional dimension? still getting the "rain indoor" and "some datapacks not running on this dimension" problem using custom dimension code as datapack

neon shard Dec 18, 2021, 4:43 AM

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-_-

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I explained why we need papermc like a million times (for anti-grief and anti-chief)

dry robin Dec 18, 2021, 4:44 AM

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lol

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we've actually had no one beg for 1.18 to come now (semi-vanilla SMP)

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seems people are patient and understanding

neon shard Dec 18, 2021, 4:45 AM

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Most people are understanding in my server which was surprising

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But a lot of people got impatient and left saying things like “I waited for this server like 1 month why aren’t you doing anything” and I am like bruh

dry robin Dec 18, 2021, 4:47 AM

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we kept folks busy by doing a creative server build competition from terrain imported from the late november pre-releases

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so that once that terrain eventually arrives, the winning build will become the outpost hub built in survival

neon shard Dec 18, 2021, 4:47 AM

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I tried doing an event but everyone was like no wait for 1.18

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But they finally agreed to doing an event tomorrow lol

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I think they didn’t expect it to take this long

dry robin Dec 18, 2021, 4:49 AM

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hmm. would seem that right before the update would be the perfect time to do events, since once 1.18 rolls around interest in the old event-related areas will vanish

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depends on the type of server though

neon shard Dec 18, 2021, 4:50 AM

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Yeah

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And it’s semi-vanilla like yours

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 6:25 AM

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Is there a bug where plains biomes generate in the end and let other mobs spawn?

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 6:26 AM

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peak pulsar Is there a bug where plains biomes generate in the end and let other mobs spawn?

yes

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it happnd to me

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my proe admin did smth and fixed it idk what he did but he proer than me

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 6:27 AM

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Is it a paper bug or mojang bug or neither?

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 6:27 AM

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idk

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prolly mojang

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 6:51 AM

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peak pulsar Is there a bug where plains biomes generate in the end and let other mobs spawn?

Still trying to figure it out. Did you upgrade from a 1.17 world?

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We haven't been able to reproduce it yet.

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https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7125

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 6:52 AM

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Yes, well the end was a mix of different versions

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 6:52 AM

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Do you have a backup of it before the 1.18 upgrade?

covert canopy Dec 18, 2021, 6:53 AM

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Is it normal that paper 1.18.1 just randomly crashes without any error at all¡

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 6:53 AM

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covert canopy Is it normal that paper 1.18.1 just randomly crashes without any error at all¡

No.

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Post a log.

covert canopy Dec 18, 2021, 6:54 AM

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I dont have one. I was just generating a map with dynmap and suddenly it just stopped.

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 6:54 AM

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covert canopy I dont have one. I was just generating a map with dynmap and suddenly it just st...

Which build are you on?

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IIRC this was happening on an earlier build.

covert canopy Dec 18, 2021, 6:54 AM

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You are running the latest version```

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79

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 6:54 AM

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Hm.

covert canopy Dec 18, 2021, 6:55 AM

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137 is out of memory.. according to google?

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 6:55 AM

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My backups are only 4hrs old so no

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 6:55 AM

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peak pulsar My backups are only 4hrs old so no

Bummer. :(

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 6:55 AM

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My chunks are a mix of 1.14 to 1.18

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 6:55 AM

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covert canopy 137 is out of memory.. according to google?

Yeah looks like you're running out of memory.

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 6:56 AM

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peak pulsar My chunks are a mix of 1.14 to 1.18

They were all generated on Paper?

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 6:56 AM

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Yes.

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 6:56 AM

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Alright. Well best I can say is keep an eye on that issue. Waiting to find a map to be able to reliably test it so we can figure out what it is.

covert canopy Dec 18, 2021, 6:57 AM

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timber ridge Yeah looks like you're running out of memory.

Oh! It just happened again. This time I have a crash error
https://paste.itaqui.to/ogNST72Ani.md

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 6:57 AM

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covert canopy Oh! It just happened again. This time I have a crash error https://paste.itaqui....

Post the full log, please. Not just that bit.

covert canopy Dec 18, 2021, 6:58 AM

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surep! give me a sec

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https://paste.itaqui.to/2iIeVXEwzU.md

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Huuumm.. I'm on a shared plan. I'm starting to suspect that maybe my host is overallocating a little too much.

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Since spark reports that everything is ok

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Hmmm could be.

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Looking

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Essentials] Permissions lag notice with (LuckPermsHandler).

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That could be Luckperms hanging trying to connect to mysql

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Or whatever db.

covert canopy Dec 18, 2021, 7:04 AM

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Everything is local

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H2 for Luckperms

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:05 AM

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But yeah seems slow overall. You could try removing dynmap for a minute and seeing if you can get a timings

covert canopy Dec 18, 2021, 7:05 AM

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surep!

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It is really weird since pterodactyl doesn't register an out of memory in the container

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But the Java process does indeed exits with an out of memory.

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:07 AM

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You may need to try giving the server less memory.

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Or get a better host.

covert canopy Dec 18, 2021, 7:07 AM

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Hehe probably the second one

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I have 12GB allocated, 8GB for the server.

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:07 AM

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Hmm

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Yeah I'd try to disable dynmap

covert canopy Dec 18, 2021, 7:08 AM

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For now, I paused the generation of the map and its ok.

half walrusBOT Dec 18, 2021, 7:21 AM

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__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 7:52 AM

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timber ridge Still trying to figure it out. Did you upgrade from a 1.17 world?

yes mine wass

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also yes he is the proe admin i was talking about he opened issue

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 7:55 AM

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timber ridge Do you have a backup of it before the 1.18 upgrade?

i have

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:55 AM

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next owl yes mine wass

Do you have a backup of the 1.17 world that was upgraded?

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 7:55 AM

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yep

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:56 AM

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How big is it? Can you tar up the end world with the co-ords where the issue is and send it?

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 7:56 AM

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oke

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but i need sum time idk cords chong only knows i will ask mean while i will send end

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:58 AM

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OKay that's fine.

tawdry spoke Dec 18, 2021, 7:58 AM

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People on my server are spamming me saying it’s stable and we can use paper 1.18.1. I’m not to sure, please can you confirm/deny this so I can show them. Thank you

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:58 AM

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Do like tar -czvf end_world.tar.gz world_the_end

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That should make a file called end_world.tar.gz with the world folder in it.

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 7:59 AM

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timber ridge Do like `tar -czvf end_world.tar.gz world_the_end`

i have backup on pc

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so np

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 7:59 AM

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timber ridge OKay that's fine.

i got cords not exact but he said all edges of main island

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ok where do i send ggle drive?

tawdry spoke Dec 18, 2021, 8:00 AM

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It doesn’t specifically say stable or unstable so I think either me or my friends are confused. Paper 1.18.1 isn’t stable is it? Or is it stable?

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 8:00 AM

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it is in early stage now

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not experimental

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 8:00 AM

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tawdry spoke It doesn’t specifically say stable or unstable so I think either me or my friend...

It's still not marked stable.

tawdry spoke Dec 18, 2021, 8:01 AM

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Ok thank you so still classed as unstable

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 8:01 AM

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timber ridge It's still not marked stable.

can i send link in dm

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i dont wana paste it here cuz my server members are here

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 8:02 AM

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next owl can i send link in dm

Yes, ping me when you have it and I'll open my DMs.

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 8:02 AM

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i have it

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 8:02 AM

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Oh okay

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Hold on

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Okay go

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 8:03 AM

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done

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 8:05 AM

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\m/

uneven pagoda Dec 18, 2021, 8:40 AM

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Have the same problem at least from 1.13
Also if target player teleports, on my (spectator) side there is no chunks/blocks too
Just pressing Shift then LMB on player fixes this, but it's a problem anyway

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Server just didn't send new chunks to spectator if target player moves too far

sick peak Dec 18, 2021, 8:52 AM

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Bruh biome plains in the end 🙃

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 8:52 AM

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sick peak Bruh biome plains in the end 🙃

Is this happening to you also?

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 8:53 AM

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sick peak Bruh biome plains in the end 🙃

ive provided my world they testing

sick peak Dec 18, 2021, 8:53 AM

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timber ridge Is this happening to you also?

yes

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 8:53 AM

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sick peak yes

Okay, keep an eye on this:
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7125

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 8:54 AM

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btw ocelote i put the file in git too

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 8:54 AM

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next owl btw ocelote i put the file in git too

Not necessary - but thanks!

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 8:55 AM

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timber ridge Not necessary - but thanks!

also it was fixable with //setbiome

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 8:55 AM

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Yeah makes sense.

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 8:55 AM

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not a recomended way tho

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 8:56 AM

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Trying to prevent it from happening in the future to other folks.

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 8:56 AM

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it crashed server

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3 times

vapid prawn Dec 18, 2021, 9:02 AM

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This is going to be a DataConverter bug, isn't it?

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Oh I think Leaf fixed it 1 minute ago

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https://github.com/PaperMC/DataConverter/commit/d9fcc1e3341584f30b79a8cda5cd980035f618ef

GitHub

Create sections for chunk conversion if non-existant · PaperMC/Data...

Required to add in the new biome sections

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 9:03 AM

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Yeah DataConverter bug.

vapid prawn Dec 18, 2021, 9:04 AM

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Just gotta get that in to the paper patch

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 9:04 AM

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:)

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Probably still testing.

vapid prawn Dec 18, 2021, 9:04 AM

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I'm guessing he is building it now, yeah 😛

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 9:05 AM

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did it recreate?

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 9:05 AM

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next owl did it recreate?

Yes, was able to reproduce.

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 9:05 AM

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nice!

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 9:05 AM

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Fix incoming.

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 9:05 AM

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animepog

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 9:06 AM

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Fix pushed.

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Wait, fix rejected.

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Haha

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 9:07 AM

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LotsOfPain

sudden bison Dec 18, 2021, 9:08 AM

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cc @white robin

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 9:09 AM

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knenypat_upsidedown kenny alaudin lamp

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he will appear soon

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 9:17 AM

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next owl did it recreate?

Build #81 has a fix.

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 9:17 AM

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pog

nova quest Dec 18, 2021, 9:28 AM

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uneven pagoda Server just didn't send new chunks to spectator if target player moves too far

Are you able to tell if this is MC itself or paper?

half walrusBOT Dec 18, 2021, 9:44 AM

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https://startmc.sh/

startmc.sh

Generate a Minecraft server start script in seconds.

mystic lichen Dec 18, 2021, 9:53 AM

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Hey, I'm playing on a build-74 paper 1.18.1 server and I have one question: Is it intentional on your part that the Piston glitch to get to the Nether Roof no longer works?

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 9:57 AM

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without knowing that specific exploit: yes, paper generally fixes exploits when we are made aware of them in order to preserve a fair and stable experience

mystic lichen Dec 18, 2021, 9:58 AM

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okay! Okay, thanks. I just thought that farms on the Nether Roof were common. And a "fix" of this issue would be limiting the game experience.

stark pagoda Dec 18, 2021, 10:00 AM

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a fix is a fix and an exploit is an exploit

mystic lichen Dec 18, 2021, 10:01 AM

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ok, i'll shut up 😄 haha thanks ^^

dry robin Dec 18, 2021, 10:02 AM

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mystic lichen Hey, I'm playing on a build-74 paper 1.18.1 server and I have one question: Is i...

these options likely still work https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/3854

GitHub

TNT Duping or Bedrock Breaking issues? READ ME · Issue #3854 · Pape...

As noted in our project description, Paper fixes gameplay and mechanics inconsistencies. TNT duping, Carpet and Rail duping, and breaking Bedrock and End Portals, and Gravity Block Duping have been...

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@mystic lichen according to docs, allow-permanent-block-break-exploits is now called allow-perm-block-break-exploits

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(https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/server/configuration.html#unsupported-settings)

mystic lichen Dec 18, 2021, 10:09 AM

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@dry robin giga thanks! ❤️

frosty elm Dec 18, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Hey I have a question to the paperweight userdev plugin. If I want to publish my plugin the published jar has a "-dev" at the end. Is there a way to avoid this ?

fathom delta Dec 18, 2021, 10:33 AM

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i understand paper not being stable, i know the devs have a high bar on that. but is it playable? currently running spigot but i miss the performance boost paper gives me ( and timings, my lord i miss timings)
i run a give or take 10 active player server and they all are pretty redstoney farmers

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 10:45 AM

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fathom delta i understand paper not being stable, i know the devs have a high bar on that. bu...

Playable for sure

fathom delta Dec 18, 2021, 10:46 AM

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peak pulsar Playable for sure

cool. ill test again sometime the comming days

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 11:19 AM

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fathom delta i understand paper not being stable, i know the devs have a high bar on that. bu...

heyy it is still not stable but many big servers started using it for production

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use it with precaution

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and take as many backups as possible

orchid canopy Dec 18, 2021, 11:28 AM

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is paper 1.18 ok

cunning stump Dec 18, 2021, 11:29 AM

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Read the message directly above yours

orchid canopy Dec 18, 2021, 11:30 AM

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cunning stump Read the message directly above yours

oh ok but hwat about 1.17.1

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 11:30 AM

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1.17.1 is the current release version and if you can't handle the heat of early builds, probs what you should run

spare trail Dec 18, 2021, 11:31 AM

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fathom delta i understand paper not being stable, i know the devs have a high bar on that. bu...

spigot isn't stable either, you shouldn't be using it over paper if you want stability

heady grail Dec 18, 2021, 11:35 AM

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fathom delta i understand paper not being stable, i know the devs have a high bar on that. bu...

Just use Paper.
If you insist on using Spigot, then Spark does a decent job if you don't have timings.

olive sparrow Dec 18, 2021, 11:44 AM

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Discord search only broken for me?

I recall seeing something about the server taking 20 seconds for someone to load, was a fix proposed?

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 11:46 AM

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olive sparrow Discord search only broken for me? I recall seeing something about the server t...

nah search broken for me too

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 11:46 AM

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It was under maintenance

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and still is

olive sparrow Dec 18, 2021, 11:47 AM

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Got it

sick peak Dec 18, 2021, 11:51 AM

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I want to ask if it's fixed:
Biome plains in the end?

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 11:52 AM

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should be for chunks that are converted using the latest build

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 11:52 AM

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sick peak I want to ask if it's fixed: Biome plains in the end?

yes

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latest builds

sick peak Dec 18, 2021, 11:52 AM

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hmmmm

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 11:52 AM

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but the things already broke wont be fixed

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u need to manually do it

sick peak Dec 18, 2021, 11:58 AM

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next owl yes

still same

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 11:59 AM

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sick peak still same

read msg above you

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 11:59 AM

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next owl but the things already broke wont be fixed

this

shell drift Dec 18, 2021, 12:03 PM

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is there a lot of performance patches missing from 1.18?

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because this is sad

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sick bobcat Dec 18, 2021, 12:04 PM

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Is there a known issue with memory leak in the 1.18.1 releases?

shell drift Dec 18, 2021, 12:04 PM

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sick bobcat Is there a known issue with memory leak in the 1.18.1 releases?

it has been fixed on latest builds, but it doesnt feel like it is

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 12:04 PM

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the known memory leak has been fixed

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if you're having a leak, it's not that

sick bobcat Dec 18, 2021, 12:05 PM

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hmm, im getting this with the latest release, trying to troubleshoot

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two servers

shell drift Dec 18, 2021, 12:05 PM

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/spark heapdump

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and analyze

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 12:06 PM

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which means nothing with a basic understanding of how java works and how modern mc throws memory around much more than it's older siblings

half walrusBOT Dec 18, 2021, 12:06 PM

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-Xmx controls the amount of heap memory assigned to the JVM, this does not include other memory used by java, or native memory used by other libraries such as netty (for networking) or SQLite. Please do not allocate all of your memory!

shell drift Dec 18, 2021, 12:07 PM

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i am guessing there are a lot of things still missing, since the jar is half the size of 1.17 builds
which is good, it means there is hope 😛

sick bobcat Dec 18, 2021, 12:07 PM

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interesting thing is we run 110 servers, its only the two 1.18.1 servers doing this

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 12:08 PM

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jar size is irrelevant

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the entire bundling process changed in 1.18

shell drift Dec 18, 2021, 12:08 PM

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ah sadness

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 12:08 PM

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there are still some perf patches missing, as per the 1.18 channel that we keep getting people to read but failing...

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Actually, there is 1 known leak still remaining

sick bobcat Dec 18, 2021, 12:09 PM

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OK, thay may be it then

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 12:09 PM

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🤷‍♂️

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am not here to piss in the wind

shell drift Dec 18, 2021, 12:10 PM

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#golden_showers

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 12:10 PM

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if you wanna see if you've actually got a leak, you'd need to actually start looking into heap dumps, etc

sick bobcat Dec 18, 2021, 12:10 PM

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OK, thanks

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I know its not stable yet so its OK, was just wondering at this stage

eternal briar Dec 18, 2021, 12:21 PM

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hello I got a question regarding new chunk generation

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is there a chance that upcoming patches might change/improve the way new chunks are generated

dry robin Dec 18, 2021, 12:23 PM

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like changing the world generation?

eternal briar Dec 18, 2021, 12:23 PM

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or do the patches mostly improve stability

eternal briar Dec 18, 2021, 12:23 PM

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dry robin like changing the world generation?

yeah

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I'm planning on upgrading to 1.18

dry robin Dec 18, 2021, 12:24 PM

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the 1.18 seeds are final and have been for a while

eternal briar Dec 18, 2021, 12:24 PM

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maybe it's worth waiting a bit longer if things get improved overtime

covert jolt Dec 18, 2021, 12:24 PM

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it won't

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just upgrade

eternal briar Dec 18, 2021, 12:24 PM

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alright thanks

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I appreciate the work being done here

dry robin Dec 18, 2021, 12:26 PM

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1.18 seed stability was an interesting gamble for us... we started a creative world build competition on imported pre-release terrain from november snapshots, with the intention of that becoming a real place in the survival world. Then one of the pre-releases slightly changed generation. Was super worried when I read the changelog, but literally the only change I noticed was more vines going down a cliff and slightly more snowier areas

eternal briar Dec 18, 2021, 12:28 PM

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Then one of the pre-releases slightly changed generation.
what differences did you see

covert jolt Dec 18, 2021, 12:28 PM

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but literally the only change I noticed was more vines going down a cliff and slightly more snowier areas

eternal briar Dec 18, 2021, 12:28 PM

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yeh that's the changelog

dry robin Dec 18, 2021, 12:28 PM

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that's just what I noticed, changelog didn't mention that specifically

eternal briar Dec 18, 2021, 12:29 PM

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not too big of a difference luckily

dry robin Dec 18, 2021, 12:29 PM

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anyways, this is not so relevant now because we're not in the pre-releases of mojangcraft

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the mojang side of things has finalized the seeds and papermc doesn't screw with that (except for features like flat bedrock)

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Hi! Does anyone got any bugs after 1.18.1 build81 update?

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I updated and now is unplayable even if i downgrade to a lower build, im not sure whats the problem, im running a server without plugins, where should i ask for help? Can anyone help?

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 1:32 PM

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I mean, this is the help channel for 1.18

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You need to provide info

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 1:33 PM

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Um, what kind of info

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logs?

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 1:34 PM

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Well, you're saying you have issues

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We can't comment on said issues if you can't tell us what those issues are

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 1:35 PM

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yea, i mean, server randomly crashes when loading chunks for no reason, RAM usage is 3GB/6GB and processor seems fine, i cant find the problem

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in console, it appears a lot of paper crashes

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 1:35 PM

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I mean, if you're seeing errors, etc, then provide that

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.paste

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 1:37 PM

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📎 message.txt

vivid ironBOT Dec 18, 2021, 1:37 PM

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knotty linden

message.txt by @knotty linden: https://paste.gg/b6f372ebee194244a0cc3b8d32cd1d9a

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 1:38 PM

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seems that this error repeat a lot of times

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then server dies

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 1:40 PM

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all I see is that somebody ran a command which dumps a bunch of info to the disk

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 1:41 PM

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i will log in then imma wait for crash, then i will send again the errors, maybe those are wrong

boreal lagoon Dec 18, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Does 1.18 consume a more resources than 1.17? I see my ram use hiked by 2.5 gb

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 1:50 PM

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📎 message.txt

vivid ironBOT Dec 18, 2021, 1:50 PM

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knotty linden

message.txt by @knotty linden: https://paste.gg/85fd8f07a8d642a1a274d150d874f06d

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 1:50 PM

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i dont know what's the problem.. server crashes when i load chunk, just by walking

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if i stay a bit in that not-loaded chunk, server freeze and the error appear

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[15:54:00 INFO]: TPS from last 1m, 5m, 15m: 20.0, 17.28, 18.75

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i have no idea what to do.. is unplayable rn

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Literally every dump you've shown is is the system shitting itself when writing random shit to the disk

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first it was somebody using one of the paper dump commands

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then it was somebody disconnecting and it stalling writing their stats to the disk

uncut oyster Dec 18, 2021, 1:59 PM

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knotty linden

Whats shader is this? 😂🙄

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 1:59 PM

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uncut oyster Whats shader is this? 😂🙄

DrDestens MCShaders

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:00 PM

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dapper lotus Literally every dump you've shown is is the system shitting itself when writing ...

and what should i do

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about that

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i have no idea..

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:00 PM

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don't mention

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:00 PM

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sry

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:00 PM

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you've shown two cases where your system shits the bed when writing to the disk

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really boils down to how/what are you hosting the server on

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1.18 is missing some performance patches vs 1.17

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:00 PM

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yea but yesterday sv was on without any issue

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:01 PM

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irrelevant

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nothing has changed in paper since yesterday which would magically make a server start crapping itself

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:01 PM

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yesterday i was using an older version, like build76

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is there any diff maybe?

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Not really

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:02 PM

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hmm

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:02 PM

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only changes where to the world upgrade logic

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:03 PM

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is there any chance that this "world upgrade logic" can cause this?

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:03 PM

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No

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 2:07 PM

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knotty linden is there any chance that this "world upgrade logic" can cause this?

Is there any chance that it is your antivirus intervening, or some other file permissions related issue? Bit of a stretch but if it's not the update (which it clearly isn't if a core dev is saying so lol) it might be something to look at.

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:07 PM

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im using a host. maybe host's antivirus or smth?

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i mean im not opening a localhost by my own

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Then this should be brought up with the support services your host offers.

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This is very likely their issue

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:08 PM

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yea but i cant see the problem i mean

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yesterday was perfectly fine

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nothing changed

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Why would you unless you have some special access to their systems lol

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:08 PM

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i just updated the paper

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 2:08 PM

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You don't know what has changed on their side

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It could be anything

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They could have run a firmware update

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Your physical drive on your physical server unit in their building could be having troubles

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:09 PM

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All it takes is for some noisy neighbour on your machine to be hammering the disk to slow everything down

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 2:09 PM

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You should definitely talk to them

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:09 PM

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Wouldn't be the first time it's happened

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Makes sense

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:10 PM

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u mean

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the server processor might be slow?

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 2:10 PM

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..not exactly

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:11 PM

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i'll ask the host owner if he updated the firmware or smth

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 2:11 PM

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You may be sharing a singular disk with multiple others

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:11 PM

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all it takes is for somebody else on the same node as you to start hammering resources to slow everything down

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 2:11 PM

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If they are using a lot of the throughput on it

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Yeah

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:11 PM

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aaah

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thanks for everything guys, have a nice day!

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 2:14 PM

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You too!

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Hope you find the solution

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 2:19 PM

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eeeeee

icy haven Dec 18, 2021, 2:21 PM

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hello, I'm on Paper 1.18.1 and I ve got some wieird redstone bug, like a simple 1x2 door not working well, is it normal from paper?

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and some people on my server say "noooo don't use paper it breaks all the redstone!!!"

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:24 PM

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edge cases of redstone are broken all the down to craftbukkit

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majority of players couldn't tell you what is broken and most of the breakages are in craftbukkit, so, any plugin env is generally screwed

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not heard of the door, that's most likely a plugin or something

boreal lagoon Dec 18, 2021, 2:26 PM

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None of Command Voucher plugins working when I upgraded my server to 1.18.1 from 1.17.1.
I tried downloading many all ended up showing some kind of error, is that something to do with 1.18.1 ?

📎 message.txt

vivid ironBOT Dec 18, 2021, 2:26 PM

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boreal lagoon None of Command Voucher plugins working when I upgraded my server to 1.18.1 from...

message.txt by @boreal lagoon: https://paste.gg/b0c983b8e67648e09b431d2bc86da79d

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:26 PM

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Speak to the plugin author

knotty linden Dec 18, 2021, 2:26 PM

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the host owner said that might be some host issues and he'll look after it, damn, i was thinking is paper fault, my bad, thanks again electronic and brittank

uneven pagoda Dec 18, 2021, 2:43 PM

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Hey

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This isn't fixed? https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/cea81e06151641859f447ee1c8149ca9

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I'm getting this if press CTRL+C after plugins started loading

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So server starts shutdown after loading and enabling is done and this exception appear

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build 81

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:47 PM

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Never saw that one before

uneven pagoda Dec 18, 2021, 2:47 PM

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Needs to create bug report on github?

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Well, if you want people to look into it, yea

uneven pagoda Dec 18, 2021, 2:48 PM

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(I thought that there might be enough to fix it)

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 2:49 PM

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well, it requires people to go look into what's causing it

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and, the issue tracker is the best place to report stuff so that people know what needs to be looked into rather than it being lost to the chat history

sweet shadow Dec 18, 2021, 2:53 PM

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(sorry if this is a dumb question) How do I set up frequent autobackups? Won't it use too much disk?

crystal sluice Dec 18, 2021, 3:00 PM

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dapper lotus all it takes is for somebody else on the same node as you to start hammering res...

Dedicated cores go brrr (i don't own em, but they exist)

crystal sluice Dec 18, 2021, 3:01 PM

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crystal sluice Dedicated cores go brrr (i don't own em, but they exist)

Nvm it was disk space

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My bad

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 3:01 PM

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that's generally why we recommend tools like rsnapshot, etc; which do incremental backups and can auto remove older ones

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ofc, when you're on a shared host, you're generally SOL for a sane mechanism unless your host provides one

gusty kettle Dec 18, 2021, 3:08 PM

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since the 1.18 update im gettint lots of errors in my console like this:

[33.107s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start thread - pthread_create failed (EAGAIN) for attributes: stacksize: 1024k, guardsize: 0k, detached.
[34.238s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start thread - pthread_create failed (EAGAIN) for attributes: stacksize: 1024k, guardsize: 0k, detached.
[34.239s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start thread - pthread_create failed (EAGAIN) for attributes: stacksize: 1024k, guardsize: 0k, detached.
Are they related to the unstabel versions? or somethign els?

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 3:09 PM

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No

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that's generally down to using ptero and having the daemon configured with a thread limit which is too low

gusty kettle Dec 18, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Hm ok do you know how to fix? or should i look at diffrent places?

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 3:10 PM

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if tyou're self hosting, you can configure the thread limit inside of the wings config

gusty kettle Dec 18, 2021, 3:18 PM

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Fixe thanks!

hexed flower Dec 18, 2021, 3:29 PM

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sweet shadow (sorry if this is a dumb question) How do I set up frequent autobackups? Won't i...

How are you hosting?

sweet shadow Dec 18, 2021, 3:30 PM

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I'm not quite sure actually, some virtualized thing though

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I've been doing really irregular backups with tar so far

hexed flower Dec 18, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Ah, okay gotcha. I think your best bet is probably to set up a cronjob or systemd timer to periodically archive worlds.

sweet shadow Dec 18, 2021, 3:34 PM

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Looks nice

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I'll have to read up on how to configure them but thanks 😛

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I guess I could just autodelete some set interval into the past

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What about mid-copy file changes

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Some ridiculous digital duct tape like piping save-off into the tmux session 🤣

last gulch Dec 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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or something like this - just make sure rcon isn't reachable from outside
https://github.com/itzg/rcon-cli/

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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rcon works

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tmux has the means to send stuff over it easily

last gulch Dec 18, 2021, 3:42 PM

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makes sense, I use the above for my mc docker containers

sweet shadow Dec 18, 2021, 3:43 PM

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cool

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tbh I'm not sure whether to set this up or just tell them to wait another week when I'll have a server with filesystem level backups

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More stability by then too

crystal nacelle Dec 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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how stable is it now? just wondering

white robin Dec 18, 2021, 3:47 PM

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Kind of but not quite

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probably

vapid otter Dec 18, 2021, 3:48 PM

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I'm running a server without a single problem for over a week now but others have some problems so if it isn't critical that it has to work perfectly just try yourself

cunning stump Dec 18, 2021, 3:51 PM

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tmux as an RCON client? Interesting

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 3:52 PM

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wat

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it's a multiplexor

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rcon is a protocol

cunning stump Dec 18, 2021, 3:52 PM

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Oh, guess I misinterpreted

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 3:52 PM

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tmux has the means to send inputs into sessions, etc, in there

cunning stump Dec 18, 2021, 3:53 PM

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So, get tmux to pipe to the RCON client I’m guessing

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Makes more sense

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 3:53 PM

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No

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you'd get tmux to pipe into the server console itself

sweet shadow Dec 18, 2021, 3:56 PM

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~~Who tf came up with this shit anyway~~

acoustic yacht Dec 18, 2021, 3:59 PM

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Tmux is quite powerful. If you start your server (or any other app in this regard) it will keep the session alive even if you close the ssh connection

sweet shadow Dec 18, 2021, 4:00 PM

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Yeah ik but I would never have thought server software works this way

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Tied to a terminal and requiring another program to have it run continuously

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Computers in general are just abstractions piled over abstractions lol

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lol sorry for rambling

acoustic yacht Dec 18, 2021, 4:00 PM

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Haha youll get used to it

cunning stump Dec 18, 2021, 4:01 PM

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I mean you could probably run the server as a systemd service but then running commands from the server console becomes funky

sweet shadow Dec 18, 2021, 4:03 PM

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yeah, I have no practical complaints about the tmux system

cunning stump Dec 18, 2021, 4:03 PM

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I know vanilla had problems with safe shutting down the server if you did that too, don’t know if that’s still the case, it doesn’t look like Paper at present has that issue

acoustic yacht Dec 18, 2021, 4:04 PM

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Ive got a different question: im quite new to paper. If id like to update the server to the next release of paper do i just have to replace the old server jar with the new one?

cunning stump Dec 18, 2021, 4:04 PM

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Yes

acoustic yacht Dec 18, 2021, 4:04 PM

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Handy

sweet shadow Dec 18, 2021, 4:05 PM

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*and make a backup of the world ofc 😛

cunning stump Dec 18, 2021, 4:05 PM

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Please stop the server first

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And that

acoustic yacht Dec 18, 2021, 4:05 PM

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Yeah sure ;) does a backup contain the 3 folders of the world it is running? World, world-nether and world-end? Or do i need anything else for a full backup?

sweet shadow Dec 18, 2021, 4:07 PM

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Plugin folders too if you use something like coreprotect

acoustic yacht Dec 18, 2021, 4:07 PM

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Interesting fact: the 1.17 version runs very well on a raspi 4b with the raspy os lite 64 bit

acoustic yacht Dec 18, 2021, 4:08 PM

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sweet shadow Plugin folders too if you use something like coreprotect

Thanks

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 5:02 PM

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this will make me look dumb

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but after #66 log4j

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did they find way to exploit again

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 5:09 PM

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There's like a new one every day so keep paper updated

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They all boring tho

silent shoal Dec 18, 2021, 5:20 PM

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How save is the current paper version to use on a survival server where paper generates the chunks on a whole new world?

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Plugins most likely are more of the issue

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If you made sure your automatic backups work you can just give it a try

silent shoal Dec 18, 2021, 5:23 PM

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I read some of the bugs that paper face rn, most of them is world generation. Is that mainly for converting 1.17 world to 1.18 or is it also completely new worlds?

feral spire Dec 18, 2021, 5:24 PM

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the past 2 fixed one are upgrades, yes

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They are experimental build for a reason as #❗-1-18 said dont trust anything spigot or fork of paper tells you as those issues exist still. @silent shoal rieThumbsUp

silent shoal Dec 18, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Thanks for helping @inner crypt and @feral spire .

You think normal java server might be better for the time being or would you just do ahead with the current paper version?

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Nah just go with paper

feral spire Dec 18, 2021, 5:28 PM

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if you are using completely new world, you are likely fine on paper. That's my suggestion.

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 5:28 PM

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They are early builds but they should be good enough

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Just make sure backups work

silent shoal Dec 18, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Yeah yeah, thank you both of you!

fervent roost Dec 18, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Does paper load pregenerated chunks async?

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Yes

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If possible

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If some spigot plugin is gonna teleport you somewhere and not using papers API, those chunks will be loaded sync for example

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So your random TP plugin should have support for papers async tp

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Just to give one example, plenty cases like this

fervent roost Dec 18, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Hmmh right, but just players exploring by walking should be async? Are there any config settings to make chunk loading faster or to use more threads?

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 5:35 PM

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You don't really need to touch that

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 5:35 PM

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loading is pretty fast and generally a non issue

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 5:36 PM

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There's one setting that limits the amount of chunks to load, but that's about it for what you wanna tweak

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 5:36 PM

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chunk gen is a fun one but it's generally not gonna see too many gains from increasing the thread count just because of how the system works

feral spire Dec 18, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Default will work pretty well for you

fervent roost Dec 18, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Okay, ty for info, i guess we just need better hardware 😄

feral spire Dec 18, 2021, 5:37 PM

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leaf did fix the end biome issue

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but hes busy fixing rat problem

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Hi, are there any memory leaks in 1.18? My server keeps crashing due to ram

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So far, I only have the worldborder turned on to generate the map, but the server keeps crashing me even though it has 20 GB of ram

quasi panther Dec 18, 2021, 5:48 PM

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radiant palm Hi, are there any memory leaks in 1.18? My server keeps crashing due to ram

1.18? or 1.18.1? also what build number (do /version)?

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Make sure you are on the latest build

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 6:02 PM

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1.18.1

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sorry

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I have latest

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81 build i think

sweet shadow Dec 18, 2021, 6:03 PM

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silent shoal I read some of the bugs that paper face rn, most of them is world generation. Is...

Outright broken generation or just stuff not loading?

cloud swan Dec 18, 2021, 6:19 PM

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radiant palm So far, I only have the worldborder turned on to generate the map, but the serve...

someone told me here less is better, i set both of mine to 12 12 and it fixed things

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 6:40 PM

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What 12?

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Build?

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@cloud swan

cloud swan Dec 18, 2021, 6:44 PM

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radiant palm <@!846532527854059520>

no my ram

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usage

spark merlin Dec 18, 2021, 6:44 PM

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what is the render distance set to?

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and the simulation distance?

cloud swan Dec 18, 2021, 6:44 PM

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mine is at 7

spark merlin Dec 18, 2021, 6:45 PM

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this is mine at 22

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 6:45 PM

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spark merlin what is the render distance set to?

I have view distance for 10

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Idk if i turn on worldborder fill, my server crash because memory leaks

spark merlin Dec 18, 2021, 6:46 PM

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i normally set my world boarders to 40k and it seems fine

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running any plugins or datapacks?

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 6:47 PM

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yes i have plugins 😄

spark merlin Dec 18, 2021, 6:47 PM

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can you post your latest crash log?

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 6:47 PM

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but there is not problems i have same plugins on my survival

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ya

spark merlin Dec 18, 2021, 6:47 PM

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I had an issue where my world crashed on load the other day, had to do a fresh install of the world, then move the world files back in

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Oh wait

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i need it start again because idk where is my crash log 😄

spark merlin Dec 18, 2021, 6:49 PM

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fresh logs are easier to read :p

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hehe

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 6:49 PM

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ye

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xD

quiet briar Dec 18, 2021, 6:53 PM

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radiant palm So far, I only have the worldborder turned on to generate the map, but the serve...

have the same problem

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very high ram usage

dry robin Dec 18, 2021, 7:03 PM

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quiet briar very high ram usage

which /version

quiet briar Dec 18, 2021, 7:03 PM

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yesterday it was paper-77

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and today i updated to paper-79 and it is slightly better

spark merlin Dec 18, 2021, 7:04 PM

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should update to 81

next owl Dec 18, 2021, 7:04 PM

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yes

quiet briar Dec 18, 2021, 7:04 PM

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will do it later

wary silo Dec 18, 2021, 7:06 PM

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Anyone knows what I can do about these kicks? https://pastebin.com/hq6kH2S0

Pastebin

[19:51:59 INFO]: RubeDeSponge lost connection: Sent too many packet...

Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.

spark merlin Dec 18, 2021, 7:08 PM

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what do the server logs say?

wary silo Dec 18, 2021, 7:11 PM

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Pulled these from there

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 7:13 PM

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spark merlin fresh logs are easier to read :p

Actually idk now working fine.. XD

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Tell me what is this 😄

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:14 PM

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What what is?

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 7:16 PM

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It crashed all the time and now it works normally

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with worldborder fill

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:16 PM

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Okay

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 7:16 PM

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Wait i can try search this log

wary silo Dec 18, 2021, 7:19 PM

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spark merlin what do the server logs say?

Just checked, there is nothing else other then regular join messages in the logs. It just kicks them since I updated to 1.18

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 7:19 PM

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https://pastebin.com/ncNtdAiy

Pastebin

[12:42:35] [ServerMain/INFO]: Environment: authHost='https://authse...

Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.

covert jolt Dec 18, 2021, 7:20 PM

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use chunky and please clean up your server thanks

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 7:20 PM

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?

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Clean up your server?

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and chunky is shit i using worldbordeer

covert jolt Dec 18, 2021, 7:21 PM

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chunky has been the recommendation for the past year

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you also have a million plugin errors

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 7:21 PM

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covert jolt you also have a million plugin errors

That has absolutely nothing to do with it

covert jolt Dec 18, 2021, 7:21 PM

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i never said it did

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 7:22 PM

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These are plugins that do not currently support 1.18.1, so I have to wait for an update.

white robin Dec 18, 2021, 7:22 PM

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With all the plugins and seemingly wrongly configured plugins it might as well just be a plugin leak

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:22 PM

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radiant palm These are plugins that do not currently support 1.18.1, so I have to wait for an...

If they don’t support it you should disable them.

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Just leaving them in there is going to break shit.

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This is like asking how to fix a flat tire when the car is on fire. First things first.

radiant palm Dec 18, 2021, 7:23 PM

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I'm waiting for the update as soon as it is updated to the latest version so I update it as well.

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Now I need to know why there are memory leaks

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 7:23 PM

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radiant palm I'm waiting for the update as soon as it is updated to the latest version so I u...

Yeah but meanwhile don’t leave them enabled and in the plugins folder.

violet wing Dec 18, 2021, 7:27 PM

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[12:53:06] [Server thread/INFO]: [WorldBorder] [Fill] Available memory is very low, task is pausing. A cleanup will be attempted now, and the task will automatically continue if/when sufficient memory is freed up.
 Alternatively, if you restart the server, this task will automatically continue once the server is back up.
[12:53:16] [Server thread/ERROR]: Could not pass event BlockPhysicsEvent to WorldGuard v7.0.4+f7ff984
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space

task failed successfully

white robin Dec 18, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Use a memory profiler, as said, might as well be your plugins

vapid prawn Dec 18, 2021, 8:06 PM

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Some plugins do shit even before their onEnable and then if they fail to get enabled they leave your server in a weird state

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worldgen uses more memory now since the chunks are bigger but no one has seen a memory leak in there

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The only leak was on upgrading old chunks

sand brook Dec 18, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Hi
I have a problem, the server crashes every few minutes without any message
anyone can say something?

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 8:31 PM

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reduce Xmx

half walrusBOT Dec 18, 2021, 8:31 PM

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-Xmx controls the amount of heap memory assigned to the JVM, this does not include other memory used by java, or native memory used by other libraries such as netty (for networking) or SQLite. Please do not allocate all of your memory!

uneven pagoda Dec 18, 2021, 8:40 PM

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Issue 7137...

During searching what causes this, sometimes I got error [2021-12-18 23:17:34 | Worker-Main-1] Failed to fetch mob spawner entity at (-1, 72, -28) instead of stacktrace + saving takes too long

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What and for why the server tries to do while disabling & saving?!

quasi panther Dec 18, 2021, 8:43 PM

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to make things easier for whoever you're talking to: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7137

high ore Dec 18, 2021, 8:58 PM

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question. I am using a spigot 1.18.1 server and I noticed that there is a bug where when bridging/ placing blocks, 1sometimes the block disappears but it is still highlighted when you hover your mouse over it. Is this a problem on paper 1.18.1?

steel heath Dec 18, 2021, 8:59 PM

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How stable is 1.18.1?

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Who those who use

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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For most it's fine but caution should be applied and backups be tested

raven musk Dec 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Hey so xray blocking in 1.18 paper doesnt really prevent it I use

      enabled: true
      engine-mode: 2
      max-block-height: 120
      update-radius: 2
      lava-obscures: false
      use-permission: false
      hidden-blocks:
      - copper_ore
      - deepslate_copper_ore
      - gold_ore
      - deepslate_gold_ore
      - iron_ore
      - deepslate_iron_ore
      - coal_ore
      - deepslate_coal_ore
      - lapis_ore
      - deepslate_lapis_ore
      - mossy_cobblestone
      - obsidian
      - chest
      - diamond_ore
      - deepslate_diamond_ore
      - redstone_ore
      - deepslate_redstone_ore
      - clay
      - emerald_ore
      - deepslate_emerald_ore
      - ender_chest
      - ancient_debris
      - raw_copper_block
      - raw_iron_block
      replacement-blocks:
      - stone
      - deepslate```

half walrusBOT Dec 18, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Anti Xray configuration guide: https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245e

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 9:06 PM

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high ore question. I am using a spigot 1.18.1 server and I noticed that there is a bug wh...

this seems like a client side error i think? try paper and see, it fixes many bugs

high ore Dec 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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ok, so although paper is still experimental, it is better and safer to use than spigot right?

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Yes

high ore Dec 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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ok

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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it also saves you some performances and fixes many issues :)

high ore Dec 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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nice

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And I can safely switch by just changing the server type Im guessing since paper is a fork of it?

inner crypt Dec 18, 2021, 9:08 PM

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Yes

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Make sure your backups work tho

high ore Dec 18, 2021, 9:08 PM

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ok

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thanks!

hexed glade Dec 18, 2021, 9:12 PM

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what happened here

📎 message.txt

vivid ironBOT Dec 18, 2021, 9:12 PM

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hexed glade what happened here

message.txt by @hexed glade: https://paste.gg/057348b2e63f4295ad8f78ca3176ba08

hexed glade Dec 18, 2021, 9:13 PM

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:(

plain solstice Dec 18, 2021, 9:13 PM

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Your bukkit.yml is messed up and it's telling you what line to look at to fix

hexed glade Dec 18, 2021, 9:15 PM

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plain solstice Your bukkit.yml is messed up and it's telling you what line to look at to fix

Which one?

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oh nvm

plain solstice Dec 18, 2021, 9:15 PM

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Don't mention

hexed glade Dec 18, 2021, 9:16 PM

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tyy

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Fixed

fierce ravine Dec 18, 2021, 9:47 PM

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there seems to be a weird quirk with restarting sometimes where it just gets stuck on the resource manager

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have had this happen multiple times

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:start
echo off
cls
java -Xms1G -Xmx1G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=50 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=80 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=35 -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -agentlib:jdwp=transport=dt_socket,server=y,suspend=n,address=*:5005 -jar paper-1.18-60.jar --nogui
pause
goto start

worldly holly Dec 18, 2021, 9:49 PM

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1G 😬

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 9:50 PM

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fierce ravine ```bash :start echo off cls java -Xms1G -Xmx1G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimen...

set xms to 128mb

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unless you can allocate more ram

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 9:50 PM

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peak pulsar set xms to 128mb

xms and xmx should be the same.

cunning stump Dec 18, 2021, 9:50 PM

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And you should really upgrade from 1.18

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 9:50 PM

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even with 1gb ram?

timber ridge Dec 18, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Yes.

fierce ravine Dec 18, 2021, 9:50 PM

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i have 32gb, its just whatever i copied from somewhere

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 9:51 PM

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oh damn lmao

fierce ravine Dec 18, 2021, 9:51 PM

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shouldn't matter regardless

viscid coyote Dec 18, 2021, 9:51 PM

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@fierce ravine that used to happen to me too

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I just kinda tried to ignore it

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There wasn’t much else to do

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There’s no logs or anything

fierce ravine Dec 18, 2021, 9:51 PM

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yeah its kinda weird, but its happend enough to get annoyed by it lol

viscid coyote Dec 18, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Just control C and start again when that happens

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fair fair

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You could try reporting it but it’ll be hard

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Cuz lack of logs

fierce ravine Dec 18, 2021, 9:52 PM

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i'll update to latest and if it still happens i'll report it

viscid coyote Dec 18, 2021, 9:54 PM

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It happened to me back on 1.16

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It’s an old bug

cunning stump Dec 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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I think you'd struggle to run with a 1GiB heap

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I just set mine to that figure and just loading the spawn uses over 80% of that

fierce ravine Dec 18, 2021, 10:06 PM

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viscid coyote It happened to me back on 1.16

oh? never had it until recently, odd

viscid coyote Dec 18, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Used to happen to me all the time when I ran a server

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Happened for no reason in particular

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 10:07 PM

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I am noticing very high ping on my 1.18.1 server, is this a known issue?

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 10:09 PM

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peak pulsar I am noticing very high ping on my 1.18.1 server, is this a known issue?

Yes, tuinity patches are not moved yet to 1.18 but the difference shouldnt be that big

fervent lynx Dec 18, 2021, 10:10 PM

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most tuinity patches are in 1.18

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 10:10 PM

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peak pulsar Yes, tuinity patches are not moved yet to 1.18 but the difference shouldnt be th...

I see, I mean im getting like 1k ping when i normally get 20

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it seems to be high only when im generating chunks tho?

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yea, the tuinity chunk patch isnt updated yet

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https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/server/configuration.html#chunk-loading these settings

PaperDocs

Configuration

This page details the various configuration settings exposed by Paper. Global Settings, World Settings. If you want information on settings in spigot.yml and bukkit.yml you should see their respect...

fervent lynx Dec 18, 2021, 10:12 PM

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yeah that's the one that "fixes" ping spikes when loading chunks

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Yeah I see

fervent lynx Dec 18, 2021, 10:12 PM

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not currently in 1.18, one of the only major tuinity patches that isn't

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 10:12 PM

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No problem

lavish ice Dec 18, 2021, 10:37 PM

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I just switched to a 1.18.1 world and it seems users first spawn in the ground and suffocate. Is there a way to change the world spawn?

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 10:37 PM

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there is a command for it

peak pulsar Dec 18, 2021, 11:13 PM

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fierce ravine oh? never had it until recently, odd

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6020

lavish ice Dec 18, 2021, 11:21 PM

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The only thing I can see not working is the No Tick view distance. Is that expected as of now?

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 11:21 PM

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as per the todo list, yes

fierce ravine Dec 18, 2021, 11:25 PM

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peak pulsar <https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6020>

so no one seems to know what causes it lol

pulsar dagger Dec 18, 2021, 11:26 PM

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I would guess an exception is swallowed somewhere and a future doesn't get completed

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and something is waiting on that future

fierce ravine Dec 18, 2021, 11:27 PM

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always those goddamn futures

half walrusBOT Dec 18, 2021, 11:27 PM

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https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136#issuecomment-982297893

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 11:27 PM

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I had some theory but idk what happened with it

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I think it was that one which I had a theory for...

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I was suspecting that something was rando throwing an exception somewhere but the horror ofc is tryna actually reproduce that thing

fierce ravine Dec 18, 2021, 11:29 PM

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yeah seems awefully random

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but only seems to occur after a restart, might just be coincidence though

viscid coyote Dec 18, 2021, 11:31 PM

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I’ve had it occur on a “cold boot”

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And back on 1.16

fervent lynx Dec 18, 2021, 11:35 PM

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it's been an issue for a long, long time

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just extremely difficult to reproduce

dapper lotus Dec 18, 2021, 11:36 PM

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I've reproduced it

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with a debugger attached?

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lolno

fervent lynx Dec 18, 2021, 11:36 PM

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lol yeah

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I've probably had it happen at least 10 times over the past few years, but whenever it happens I just go "time to restart it" and that's it

night gale Dec 18, 2021, 11:38 PM

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I got it quite often with 1.17, haven't gotten it on 1.18 though

fierce ravine Dec 18, 2021, 11:41 PM

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i have had it like 3 times today alone

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blaze

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just my luck again

ionic pendant Dec 18, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Is there a way to see a checklist of what’s left to be updated to 1.18.1?

half walrusBOT Dec 18, 2021, 11:43 PM

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https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136#issuecomment-982297893

long edge Dec 18, 2021, 11:43 PM

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most important stuff listed ^

ionic pendant Dec 18, 2021, 11:43 PM

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Thx man

fierce ravine Dec 18, 2021, 11:43 PM

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whats the diff being crossed out and just checked

long edge Dec 18, 2021, 11:43 PM

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with probably the biggest noticeable thing being the player chunk loader stuff

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that's a fantastic question

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oh, just looks like "not done"

vague falcon Dec 18, 2021, 11:44 PM

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I think crossed out means it's irrelevant

ionic pendant Dec 18, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Still no tick view distance 😢

long edge Dec 18, 2021, 11:44 PM

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as in, it wasn't needed

long edge Dec 18, 2021, 11:44 PM

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ionic pendant Still no tick view distance 😢

use simulation distance

vague falcon Dec 18, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Vanilla has no tick view distance now tho

ionic pendant Dec 18, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Fr?

vague falcon Dec 18, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Yep

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Who has the image

peak pulsar Dec 19, 2021, 12:14 AM

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https://is.paper.sexy/ViewDistance.png

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Better late than never :D

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 12:14 AM

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*better nate than lever

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 12:26 AM

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That image is gonna be most popular image this past month PepeLa

somber marten Dec 19, 2021, 12:26 AM

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leaf hasn’t woken up in weeks Ruun

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 12:27 AM

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Tbf he fixed the datafixer issue that made people op mob farm in the end

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 12:29 AM

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that text can probably be removed, the config isn't changing at this point

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just possibly the implementation

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 12:29 AM

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Leaf only fixes end bugs now.

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He's a one world guy.

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 12:29 AM

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OMEGALUL

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@ pheonix616 ^

pulsar dagger Dec 19, 2021, 12:30 AM

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@feral spire

eternal briar Dec 19, 2021, 12:33 AM

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1.18 changed ore heights a bit

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so what max height is recommended for antixray

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are there any downsides to just setting it to 256

half walrusBOT Dec 19, 2021, 12:35 AM

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Anti Xray configuration guide: https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245e

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 12:35 AM

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higher height = more work

eternal briar Dec 19, 2021, 12:35 AM

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would that be server or client work

shut flax Dec 19, 2021, 12:38 AM

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Server

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I set mine to 128

eternal briar Dec 19, 2021, 12:39 AM

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did you use engine 1 or 2

shut flax Dec 19, 2021, 12:41 AM

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half walrusBOT Dec 19, 2021, 12:41 AM

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Anti Xray configuration guide: https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245e

patent epoch Dec 19, 2021, 1:15 AM

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eternal briar would that be server or client work

both

sonic stump Dec 19, 2021, 2:20 AM

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peak pulsar https://is.paper.sexy/ViewDistance.png

Might as well pin it at this point. Its the first thing I see anytime I come in here. Lmao

brisk canopy Dec 19, 2021, 2:25 AM

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~~interesting, paper 1.18 seems to mess up chunk generation with terralith datapack~~ (wrong; read below)

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more precisely, it generates one world before the restart, and then the other world after, thus these edges

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fundyThink

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 2:26 AM

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That seems more like the datapack causing the issue to me.

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But I don't have a lot of experience with terralith.

brisk canopy Dec 19, 2021, 2:27 AM

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I wasn't able to reproduce this on fabric server with both datapack and mod versions of terralith, but I'll try again

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 2:27 AM

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apparently there was some issue

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deleting the regions folder will cause it to regen that stuff

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for some reason it only borks on the first try, apparently

brisk canopy Dec 19, 2021, 2:45 AM

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brisk canopy I wasn't able to reproduce this on fabric server with both datapack and mod vers...

definitely was worth trying again, clearly can reproduce it on vanilla and it's even worse here (ha!); dismissed, sorry for the confusion

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in vanilla it generated the same world, then on restart another world, and on third restart regenerated existing chunks, while leaving some, creating tears through the world O_o

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I think it might be because datapacks can't use world seed features and so it gets really conflicted and messed up

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and mod version crashed fabric server. conclusion: don't use terralith, it's buggy

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Mojangs datapack stuff is honestly still a work in progress and theres many caveats around the entire thing

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they've slowly been working on it, but, theres still much to go so it seems

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people basically need to report this stuff to the 'jang so that they can see where issues lie

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I brought up the lack of biome palettes at some point and I think they where ever working on it or got to it fairly fast, don't recall what all was said but think I asked a few times and they got there

past plover Dec 19, 2021, 3:04 AM

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https://timings.aikar.co/?id=98a1ac26b1d348ecbc90d3f5d185fdba beyond the 60 player count 🥴 ( it looks like entities took a serious climb but still )

Aikar's Timings Viewer

Aikar's Timings Viewer - View Timings v2 reports from Paper and Sponge

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Is there anything else I'm missing here?

dark wigeon Dec 19, 2021, 3:05 AM

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mob spawning is taking 11% of the entire cpu

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you did something wrong there

past plover Dec 19, 2021, 3:07 AM

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spawn-limits:
  monsters: 70
  animals: 10
  water-animals: 5
  water-ambient: 20
  water-underground-creature: 5
  ambient: 15
chunk-gc:
  period-in-ticks: 600
ticks-per:
  animal-spawns: 400
  monster-spawns: 1
  water-spawns: 1
  water-ambient-spawns: 1
  water-underground-creature-spawns: 1
  ambient-spawns: 1
  autosave: 6000```

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 3:08 AM

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update

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mob spawn running consistently also means that you're not meeting your mob spawn target

past plover Dec 19, 2021, 3:09 AM

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so this is kind of excessive then, maybe dumbing it down 50%?

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Well, one thing to note is that the game likes to try really hard to meet the mob cap

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if you have plugins like world guard limiting mob spawns in regions, etc, it can start to cause some issues

past plover Dec 19, 2021, 3:10 AM

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They're not interfering at the moment

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 3:10 AM

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I had an idea for that, think somebody had worked on a PR which still needed some discussion...

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But, generally, you wanna work out why you're not spawning enough

past plover Dec 19, 2021, 3:12 AM

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True, ever since more area for spawning ( till -64 ) it's been tricky to get a good number, especially at high player rates where it could just go bonkers

plain solstice Dec 19, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Are you using per player mob spawn setting in paper.yml ?

past plover Dec 19, 2021, 3:17 AM

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I don't think I am

fast dune Dec 19, 2021, 6:02 AM

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i might get banned/muted for asking this, but from anyones experience, is the newest 1.18.1 stable enough to not cause corruptions or bad bugs/instability? cause my friends want to start up our server now that winter break started, but we don't want to do it if that means the world may get f'd lol

merry scaffold Dec 19, 2021, 6:03 AM

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I can't tell you any kind of ETA but what I will say is if you do make a server for you and your friends, ensure you're taking daily backups just to be safe.

fast dune Dec 19, 2021, 6:03 AM

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yeah already goin to do that, just asking if anyone is using the latest builds from paper on a server and if its been ok for them

merry scaffold Dec 19, 2021, 6:03 AM

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I've been using it for a week or so locally and haven't noticed any major issues so if it's just you and some friends, I don't see a problem.

fast dune Dec 19, 2021, 6:04 AM

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thank you!

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appreciate the insight

merry scaffold Dec 19, 2021, 6:04 AM

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Yup!

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:05 AM

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Yeah there's definitely been a few bugs that have popped up, but if it's just for some friends and you're taking backups and are prepared to update/etc if there's bugs, it should be good.

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:28 AM

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#7100 was redirected to #895, I don't personally see the correlation. Why would the client's previous knowledge be scrapped and all chunks have to be resent on respawn (in the same place mind you, everything would already be loaded)?

I can accept that this is a client issue but why is there no attempt to get it resolved? There are now 4 players on my server with this issue, is there at least a way for me to check if a player has already loaded all their needed chunks from a plugin?

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(I understand joining, respawning -> resend is pointless though)

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:30 AM

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olive sparrow #7100 was redirected to #895, I don't personally see the correlation. Why would ...

If it's a client issue there really isn't anything Paper can do.

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We don't work on the client.

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:31 AM

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I know, but no bugtracker ticket?

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 6:31 AM

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how are you expecting the server software to solve a client issue?

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:31 AM

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olive sparrow I know, but no bugtracker ticket?

What sort of ticket would you except for a client issues that can't be solved by Paper?

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 AM

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I'm not

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wtf

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 AM

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It would just be open forever.

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 AM

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A mojang bugtracker ticket

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 AM

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I asusme they mean a mojira issue

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 AM

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Oh.

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 AM

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in which case there is, let me find it

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 AM

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Yeah there is.

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Thanks sulu

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 AM

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well, actually I'm on my phone, just google "client ticks before it has all chunks" or someone else can do that

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 AM

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long edge in which case there is, let me find it

Please, and I recommend you link it in #7100 so people can vote on it

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Alright

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 AM

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olive sparrow Please, and I recommend you link it in #7100 so people can vote on it

Wait, vote on it?

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:33 AM

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jira lets you vote on issues

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:33 AM

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https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-118372

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:33 AM

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and actually I'm not finding it now

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:33 AM

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It's in #7100

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:33 AM

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that's not it

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:33 AM

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Oh it's related but not quite.

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:33 AM

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theres a much more general one somewhere

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 6:34 AM

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I am reading #7100 now I dont understand what he wants still.

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:35 AM

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I could have sworn I saw a Mojira issue for it before, too.

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:35 AM

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olive sparrow Alright

Are you using texture packs or anything?

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cat outlines some mitigation strategies in issue 895.

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:36 AM

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no that's a well known issue, won't be fully fixed with stuff like that

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all I'm finding is https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-23 which is closed

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:36 AM

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timber ridge I could have sworn I saw a Mojira issue for it before, too.

I'm either really bad at searching it or there aren't any, I've been looking for almost an hour now

peak pulsar Dec 19, 2021, 6:36 AM

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I'm pretty sure stonecutter recipe reg is broken in 1.18

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:36 AM

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mc-23 is damn old.

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:36 AM

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yeah the one i'm thinking of is old but not that old

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:36 AM

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timber ridge Are you using texture packs or anything?

Nope, blank installation on all affected players

peak pulsar Dec 19, 2021, 6:37 AM

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I mean, you only get to provide the input and result yet the button itemstacks differ to the actual output

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:37 AM

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olive sparrow Nope, blank installation on all affected players

Slow disk? Bad connection?

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:37 AM

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No, my download speed is consistently 20mbps, and I play on an SSD

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:38 AM

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If you can reproduce it on vanilla you could get a bunch of info together and open an issue on Mojira.

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:38 AM

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olive sparrow No, my download speed is consistently 20mbps, and I play on an SSD

Not your client, the server.

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The server has an SSD?

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:38 AM

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there are a bunch, but I'm not finding one that actually gained any traction. But I know there is one

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like https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-11365, https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-15018 etc.

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:38 AM

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Or is your client and server on the same machine?

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:38 AM

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Oh, it runs on a dedicated server hosting service, so it must be good, and it is still on an SSD

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:39 AM

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timber ridge Or is your client and server on the same machine?

On my test server with that configuration I've never had an issue

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 6:39 AM

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with no other player, yes

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:39 AM

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olive sparrow Oh, it runs on a dedicated server hosting service, so it must be good, and it is...

Which host is it?

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:39 AM

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timber ridge Which host is it?

enviromc

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:39 AM

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And the server is located close to you?

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:39 AM

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the only reason it was directed to 895 is that's basically a catch all for all "networking" related issues (and I use the term networking very generally)

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:39 AM

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Have you tried pinging or running a traceroute to check network connectivity?

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:40 AM

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Yep, and I have another player in the middle of germany with the issue apparently worse than it is for me whilst hosting in europe

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:40 AM

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Can you post an example of the traceroute?

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:40 AM

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timber ridge Have you tried pinging or running a traceroute to check network connectivity?

I have not, I will do though

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:40 AM

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And this is on a fresh server with stock config and zero plugins?

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:40 AM

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timber ridge And this is on a fresh server with stock config and zero plugins?

WorldEdit and WorldGuard but those shouldn't have any chunk-load effect

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:41 AM

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WG could in theory if it's checking regions as you login.

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:41 AM

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you'll probably get a lot more of this on 1.18 currently as chunk sending isn't properly rate limited yet

half walrusBOT Dec 19, 2021, 6:41 AM

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https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136#issuecomment-982297893

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:41 AM

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Yeah.

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:41 AM

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should be reduced a lot when the player chunk loader stuff there is ticked off ^

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:41 AM

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You could try it with a fresh 1.17.1 server and see if it happens there also.

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Just as a test.

long edge Dec 19, 2021, 6:41 AM

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I mean it will happen under the right conditions

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there's no question of if it's an issue

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 6:42 AM

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Sure, but if 1.17.1 works a bit better then maybe they can play that in the meantime.

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 6:43 AM

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olive sparrow Oh, it runs on a dedicated server hosting service, so it must be good, and it is...

I dont see dedicated server plan from enviroMC for 16 cores. Are you sure you are actually on "dedicated" not shared plan?

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the only dedicated plan I am seeing on the site goes up to 4 dedicated threads. Your timing is showing a total of 16 threads which aligns with their shared plans

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:44 AM

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feral spire I dont see dedicated server plan from enviroMC for 16 cores. Are you sure you ar...

I meant dedicated as in the service is dedicated to minecraft hosting, not that it runs a dedicated server, sorry, but that doesn't have anything to do with it.

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:44 AM

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feral spire the only dedicated plan I am seeing on the site goes up to 4 dedicated threads. ...

I'm not the person that made that issue, just a passerby who has the same issue

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 6:44 AM

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oh I see

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but yeah 895 will cover it as sulu said it has been a thing since forever

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:45 AM

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Well it's definitely become worse recently, I speculated that it might be because increased world height prompting more things to need to be loaded in?

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 6:46 AM

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"client" refused to load chunk will be something "mojang" needs to fix as "paper" is only a server software, paper does not make change to client nor has ability to.

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:46 AM

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I'm well aware of that

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 6:46 AM

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it's probably worse because there are several patch that's not in paper yet.

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You will have to wait and see pretty much.

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 6:48 AM

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Alright I guess, thanks for the help guys, I'll keep looking for that tracker

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 6:48 AM

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yeah the 1.18 one, you want to wait for that player chunk map thing

neon shard Dec 19, 2021, 7:06 AM

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I am going to risk it and update today

timber ridge Dec 19, 2021, 7:09 AM

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Cool - just make sure to backup your world just in case.

neon shard Dec 19, 2021, 7:09 AM

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Ofcourse, going to take 12h backups

little oxide Dec 19, 2021, 8:02 AM

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btw the IP is still visible ;P while censoring the hostname >.<

peak pulsar Dec 19, 2021, 8:04 AM

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Lmao

What a curious happenstance

plain tapir Dec 19, 2021, 9:13 AM

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I updated to 1.18.1, the sever kept randomly kicking everyone and i had to kill the server..... So ive went back to a backup on 1.17.1 until a stable release it out D:

cunning stump Dec 19, 2021, 9:31 AM

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I’ve been running 1.18 on a test server for about a week now and haven’t seen any issues, so I’ll probably just upgrade when it’s ‘stable’

native hornet Dec 19, 2021, 9:47 AM

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plain tapir I updated to 1.18.1, the sever kept randomly kicking everyone and i had to kill ...

I think the fix for that is lower viewdistance

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iirc

halcyon comet Dec 19, 2021, 10:04 AM

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Hi, I host a server for me and my friends on my pc which I also play on, everything was working fine until yesterday. Now everytime I join the server, everything crashes and the server stops.

feral spire Dec 19, 2021, 10:04 AM

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Post logs

south forge Dec 19, 2021, 10:10 AM

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that log thing is normal right? (paper 1.18.1 #81)

halcyon comet Dec 19, 2021, 10:11 AM

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feral spire Post logs

[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] The server has not responded for 10 seconds! Creating thread dump
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] ------------------------------
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] Server thread dump (Look for plugins here before reporting to Paper!):
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] Ticking entity: minecraft:item, entity class: net.minecraft.world.entity.item.EntityItem
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] Entity status: removed: false, valid: true, alive: true, is passenger: false
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] Entity UUID: cbc34475-608c-4908-99d6-9b26ffaf73a4
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] Position: world: 'world' at location (-2783.875, 95.0, 1751.79736328125)
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] Velocity: (0.0, -0.0, -5.804705352971E-19) (in blocks per tick)
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] Entity AABB: AABB[-2784.0, 95.0, 1751.67236328125] -> [-2783.75, 95.25, 1751.92236328125]
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] ------------------------------
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] Current Thread: Server thread
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] PID: 39 | Suspended: false | Native: false | State: RUNNABLE
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] Stack:
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] net.minecraft.world.entity.item.ItemEntity.isMergable(ItemEntity.java:264)
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] net.minecraft.world.entity.item.ItemEntity.lambda$mergeWithNeighbours$0(ItemEntity.java:235)
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] net.minecraft.world.entity.item.EntityItem$$Lambda$8004/0x00000008022d31e8.test(Unknown Source)
[Sat, 18. Dec 2021 20:22:09 GMT ERROR] io.papermc.paper.world.ChunkEntitySlices$EntityCollectionBySection.getEntitiesWithEnderDragonParts(ChunkEntitySlices.java:438)```

cerulean slate Dec 19, 2021, 10:29 AM

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Big Bug with latest paper: If you log off as soon as you die the server doesnt save tht information and you are like undead and your inventory is still there and all

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I thought it would happen so i tested it

next owl Dec 19, 2021, 10:33 AM

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cerulean slate **Big Bug with latest paper: If you log off as soon as you die the server doesnt...

open issue on github too

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he ur msg may flood away

patent epoch Dec 19, 2021, 11:01 AM

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olive sparrow #7100 was redirected to #895, I don't personally see the correlation. Why would ...

This should be fixed once the remaining Tuinity patches are ported to 1.18

surreal raven Dec 19, 2021, 12:03 PM

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cerulean slate **Big Bug with latest paper: If you log off as soon as you die the server doesnt...

Oh, I had the same thing on my server! A player disconnected at the same time as the last hit and was still alive upon reconnection.

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And very rarely, when players logout and log back in they are back at 20 hp even if they had less before, but I'm not sure if it's related

dark path Dec 19, 2021, 12:15 PM

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!eta

half walrusBOT Dec 19, 2021, 12:18 PM

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__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

cerulean slate Dec 19, 2021, 12:27 PM

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surreal raven And very rarely, when players logout and log back in they are back at 20 hp even...

Yeah I died and the screen was there to respawn or title screen I quit(out of rage) and logged back in like 5 minutes to all my stuff

eager snow Dec 19, 2021, 12:38 PM

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Hey @crude orchid, did you find out what was causing that issue with nametags? I'm having a similar issue

olive sparrow Dec 19, 2021, 12:59 PM

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patent epoch This should be fixed once the remaining Tuinity patches are ported to 1.18

Oh, thank you!

fickle pawn Dec 19, 2021, 1:11 PM

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are there any configuration changes in 1.18 that I need to update when updating from 1.17.1?

peak pulsar Dec 19, 2021, 1:14 PM

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fickle pawn are there any configuration changes in 1.18 that I need to update when updating ...

no-tick view distance and chunk settings in paper.yml dont exist (for now)

covert jolt Dec 19, 2021, 1:21 PM

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no-tick view distance has been replaced by view-distance in server.properties

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and simulation-distance for ticking view distance

crude vault Dec 19, 2021, 1:23 PM

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Has the antixray (engine 2) consumption increased with the new update? i'm feeling some slowness when enabled.

quasi mantle Dec 19, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Well, it's likely since the world height increased

ocean copper Dec 19, 2021, 1:28 PM

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crude vault Has the antixray (engine 2) consumption increased with the new update? i'm feeli...

Yes, on both engine mode 1 and 2.

Especially if you have set the buildheight in the config to match the new buildheight, paper has to hide almost twice the amount of blocks.

Depending on how heavy you have to deal with kids xraying, i'd suggest lowering the height the blocks are hidden in.

Due the way new diamond generation etc works, you can still hide those without too many issues like before.

crude vault Dec 19, 2021, 1:31 PM

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ocean copper Yes, on both engine mode 1 and 2. Especially if you have set the buildheight i...

mhm, since I had engine 2 enabled on the whole chunk for a few weeks and some who tried to use xray realized it wasn't possible, I might slow it down a bit without warning, anyway the new caves help avoid xray a bit for the ease of finding things (and because they are prettier, those who use xray prefer to see the details, as far as I can tell)

ocean copper Dec 19, 2021, 1:38 PM

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crude vault mhm, since I had engine 2 enabled on the whole chunk for a few weeks and some wh...

Use engine 1, it only "hides" the blocks by making them transparant, instead of generating random ore blocks in their stead, saving tons on load. Although it does allow for xraying for spawners etc, as there is no wall of random ore blocks stopping you from seeing them. Which imho, is the only advantage for engine 2.

In the nether, dont forget that ancient debris generate all the way from bedrock to bedrock, so you want to have the anti xray apply over the whole 127 layers upto the roof.

Your theory of the caves and xrays. Kids that want to find diamonds fast because they are unwilling to dig around, will still xray to find diamonds and not bother to look around.

Xraying is something out of convenience, not because the world was ugly.

viscid lily Dec 19, 2021, 1:40 PM

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is there any tutorial how to optimize villagers as much as I can?

ocean copper Dec 19, 2021, 1:42 PM

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viscid lily is there any tutorial how to optimize villagers as much as I can?

If you find one let me know.

Turning villager ticking off helps immensely, breaks large iron farms and villager trade restocking to a degree if the player is not in the minimum required block distance of the villagers (32 by default i believe)

there is some magic you can do with the POI sensor stuff, but i honestly have no clue yet and my little experimenting did not provide results i could use.

viscid lily Dec 19, 2021, 1:43 PM

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I done everything from here. But I am curious about POI sensor

ocean copper Dec 19, 2021, 1:45 PM

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I know there are plugins around that allow you to turn the villager pathfinding AI off, but these usually break things to the point whole mechanics stop functioning. Side effect of these is also that they tend to die to mobs in the overworld relatively quick as they stop hiding.

viscid lily Dec 19, 2021, 1:48 PM

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https://timings.aikar.co/?id=54654367ea404728b3b3703eeb70c607#timings

Aikar's Timings Viewer

Aikar's Timings Viewer - View Timings v2 reports from Paper and Sponge

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as you can see, I have a problem :/

scarlet pawn Dec 19, 2021, 2:11 PM

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patent epoch This should be fixed once the remaining Tuinity patches are ported to 1.18

yeah looking forward to that, we are waiting for this before updating

warped sleet Dec 19, 2021, 2:19 PM

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plain tapir I updated to 1.18.1, the sever kept randomly kicking everyone and i had to kill ...

Did you check if all of your plugins support 1.18? You may need to install Dev builds.

wary silo Dec 19, 2021, 2:25 PM

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I was wondering, if anyone knows what I can do about the many packets and oversleep issues? It appears those (from my understanding) causes my server to lag.

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https://timings.aikar.co/?id=99607f2930cb4667807ad248ed771b71#timings

Aikar's Timings Viewer

Aikar's Timings Viewer - View Timings v2 reports from Paper and Sponge

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I have already applied .optimize

plain solstice Dec 19, 2021, 2:33 PM

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This is paper support not purpur

strange compass Dec 19, 2021, 2:33 PM

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wary silo https://timings.aikar.co/?id=99607f2930cb4667807ad248ed771b71#timings

Go to Purpur discord

wary silo Dec 19, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Kind of thought the same applies on paper and maybe someone had an idea here ^^

patent epoch Dec 19, 2021, 2:41 PM

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scarlet pawn yeah looking forward to that, we are waiting for this before updating

I don't personally see the need to wait for that to be fixed before updating, just make backups. I've not had this cause any player deaths so I'm good with it

silk shell Dec 19, 2021, 3:39 PM

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I want to update my server with a very large map from 1.17.1 to 1.18.1 and want to keep the map height at 0-255. How do I make sure that the server does not add any depth or height? Anything I need to set in level.dat?

half walrusBOT Dec 19, 2021, 3:40 PM

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https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 3:41 PM

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am not sure if you can sanely

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Like, new chunks will generate with the data from the datapack

steel dagger Dec 19, 2021, 3:49 PM

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You could add a layer of bedrock at -1 as soon as it is finished via worldedit?

next owl Dec 19, 2021, 3:50 PM

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steel dagger You could add a layer of bedrock at -1 as soon as it is finished via worldedit?

wont it blow up the server if u do it that way lol

steel dagger Dec 19, 2021, 3:51 PM

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Would it? I have no idea 😄 take a backup and try?

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 3:51 PM

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you can disable the retro gen in spigot.yml

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new chunks are new chunks

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and,a s said, no idea how world resizing is handled

next owl Dec 19, 2021, 3:52 PM

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steel dagger Would it? I have no idea 😄 take a backup and try?

even //setbiome for a large area crashes servers

dense river Dec 19, 2021, 3:52 PM

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Do we have a config option for the max build height by now?

next owl Dec 19, 2021, 3:52 PM

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how can that be handled

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 3:53 PM

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No, as said, that's controlled by the datapack

steel dagger Dec 19, 2021, 3:54 PM

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Hm. I wonder if there is a plug-in like chunky that pre generates chunks with the option to „add something“ when it’s done.

covert jolt Dec 19, 2021, 3:54 PM

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dapper lotus you can disable the retro gen in spigot.yml

what's the option called?

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 3:54 PM

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ctrl-f retro 🤷‍♂️

covert jolt Dec 19, 2021, 3:54 PM

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ah found it

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below-zero-generation-in-existing-chunks

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 3:55 PM

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ofc... sane name...

next owl Dec 19, 2021, 3:55 PM

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steel dagger Hm. I wonder if there is a plug-in like chunky that pre generates chunks with th...

yes that would be actualy good instead of mass world edit chunk by chunk wolrd edit

covert jolt Dec 19, 2021, 3:55 PM

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yeah i looked for retro already hence i asked

dense river Dec 19, 2021, 3:55 PM

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dapper lotus No, as said, that's controlled by the datapack

But wouldnt that be something we could add into the world config section in the paper.yml?

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 3:55 PM

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no

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it's controlled by datapacks

next owl Dec 19, 2021, 3:55 PM

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plugins ?

dapper lotus Dec 19, 2021, 3:56 PM

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I do not wanna have stupid config options fucking with the horrors in there which can already be done by vanilla supported mechanisms

next owl Dec 19, 2021, 3:56 PM

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like nether roof disabling

silk shell Dec 19, 2021, 3:56 PM

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steel dagger You could add a layer of bedrock at -1 as soon as it is finished via worldedit?

That's impossible on a map 120k blocks wide. Also I want that the previous build height 0-255 doesn't change at all.

steel dagger Dec 19, 2021, 4:00 PM

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I see. Well I can’t help you then - I hope you find your solution!

silk shell Dec 19, 2021, 4:00 PM

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Ok, I'll try setting up a data pack for each world that sets the height to 0-255 and then update to 1.18.1.

bold obsidian Dec 19, 2021, 4:24 PM

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Is there any way to tell what is causing lag problems on my server? Those “this is not a crash do not report this to paper” line give me no root issue, while the server lags with only 4 people on it

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I should clarify any helpful troubleshooting plug-in or something idk

next owl Dec 19, 2021, 4:25 PM

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bold obsidian Is there any way to tell what is causing lag problems on my server? Those “this ...

what is the hardware you use

bold obsidian Dec 19, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Ryzen 5 5600g, 32gb 3200mhz of RAM

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20 is allocated to the server at the moment

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Someone in my server is telling me that it could be a bukkit plugin causing trouble. Is there any legitimacy to that?

topaz nymph Dec 19, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Can you show the thread dump then

bold obsidian Dec 19, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Where would I find that? Sorry I’m incompetent

topaz nymph Dec 19, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Just logs

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Where it says don’t report this to paper

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Those represent where your server is getting stuck when ticking, basically what’s taking it so long.

bold obsidian Dec 19, 2021, 4:35 PM

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