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#❗-1-18-experimental
neat ingot
still need the chunk-loading section in my 1.18 world
cant handle more than 110 players
timber ridge
In December.
dapper lotus
and we don't owe anybody our time
livid scroll
I hear Paper is an open-source project that anyone can contribute to
if you have a patch you'd like to see updated, you can always have one of your developers spend some time on it and test it in your environment
lavish jolt
I'm on 1.18.1 and there is no fix-curing-zombie-villager-discount-exploit in the paper.yml
How can I fix this?
Should I just add it?
dapper lotus
It's 100% in there
tawdry spoke
Why is the thing on paper orange now not red. Does that mean it’s stable, a glitch, getting there, just progress? Sorry I’m confused
dapper lotus
well
timber ridge
Still experimental. Take backups, use at your own risk.
dapper lotus
orange is less dangerous looking than red
lavish jolt
It's 100% in there
vivid ironBOT
paper.yml by @lavish jolt: https://paste.gg/12b6c4f6be3b40af9b798972d7ce2167
wicked quiver
1.18.1 There is an issue with portals creating new portals after updating from 1.17.1 Is paper aware?
wicked quiver
where can I find the issue tracker? is it on there?
dapper lotus
(that was sarcasm, btw; you'rerunning early builds, you should be checking this stuff...)
on github
wicked quiver
I'm on #68? its not an early build?
dapper lotus
these are still early builds in general.
wicked quiver
do you have a link please ..to github issue tracker?
wicked quiver
thank you
dapper lotus
then see the paper repo and go to the issues tab
wicked quiver
paper repo?
dapper lotus
yes
there is a link to our org on there
then you click Paper
then you go to the issues tab
wicked quiver
ahh I found the paper github link ..couldn't find 'repo' so I was confused
vapid prawn
Did it get downgraded then? The original/recommended was a 10/10
inner crypt
That's what apache said
But redhat said 9.8
I didn't see the official one, didn't had a score last I checked
I was assuming apaches 10 was a placeholder
Yeah official site still has no score
normal pecan
I realize this probably doesn't have anything to do with paper, but I was just curious if anyone else was having issues teleporting in spectatormode in 1.18 vs 1.17?
feral spire
Not myself
normal pecan
I believe it's more related to Geyser or BungeeCord, i'll go inquire elsewhere; as it affects not just 1.18 servers but also 1.16 ones on the same network
vapid prawn
Geyser 
clever sparrow
how do i fix the anti xray in the nether?
half walrusBOT
Anti Xray configuration guide: https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245e
amber mica
did you read the guide?
You need to create a new section for your nether world
wheat solstice
glad to see the paper discord hasnt changed since I last joined
maiden hinge
is it still on expriement?
topaz nymph
yes.
amber mica
thats at least 6 months out still, unlikely
maiden hinge
this is my feelling litrally anyways have fun and great job still i know the troubles and i iappreciate u guys
whole badger
I know there isn't any ETA on when a "stable" release will be finished, but how "stable" is the current build? Do we know kind of how common bugs are and how severe they are atm?
I have a small server of just like 6 people but I'm itching to go up to 1.18 lol
grave charm
there aren't any big bugs that have been reported as of yet
just make sure to take a backup from before you update, and then take backups somewhat regularly in case smth goes sideways
whole badger
Ok, good to know, thanks.
stuck mural
I know there isn't any ETA on when a "stable" release will be finished, but how ...
It’s less about bugs and more about patches that haven’t been ported to 1.18. The big one being no tick view distance
tough pine
Not sure if it's a paper bug but iron golems seem to be spawning on slabs and inside stone fences when built into a farm
arctic rover
tired whale
So with this exploit, If you have a whitelist active, would someone be able to try to connect with the exploit as their name or something? Because that gets logged when someone tries to connect.
tough pine
yeah, for now Essentials, GriefDefender, WorldEdit, I'll check later for the isssue without any plugins enabled, when there are fewer players online
topaz nymph
So with this exploit, If you have a whitelist active, would someone be able to t...
Yes, so update.
tough pine
quasi panther
So with this exploit, If you have a whitelist active, would someone be able to t...
whitelist wouldn't matter, all join attempts are logged
rose falcon
If you put leaves on top it should prevent them from spawning
viscid lily
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=6e699c44adf04c8192ef7597a299bf1e it looks okay? What do you think?
tired whale
Gotcha, gotcha. I'm all updated with the flag added, just curious.
tough pine
If you put leaves on top it should prevent them from spawning
It's also been spawning on a slab-only idle platform with a chest nearby
peak pulsar
I changed the color from orange to green - are they safe to use now?
(I'm joking btw, don't ask for etas or you will be fed to goblins)
tough pine
Doesnt seem to be happening in singleplayer so far
bold breach
I changed the color from orange to green - are they safe to use now?
(I'm jokin...
Yes
gritty glacier
It’s less about bugs and more about patches that haven’t been ported to 1.18. Th...
What do you mean by no tick view distance? Not familiar with the behavior, would you mind explaining?
dark wigeon
view distance in 1.18 is the same concept as no-tick view distance
the chunks are loaded from file and sent to players, but not actually processed server-side for entities and stuff; that way less stuff needs to be ticked but there's the illusion of farther view distance
frigid willow
It seems that the Log4j leak made a top story here in the Netherlands
merry scaffold
Wouldn't be surprised. Pretty sure it scored a 9.8/10 in terms of severity.
frigid willow
Uhuh ye, the National Cyber Security Centrum has raised the alarm big time
https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2409121-cyberwaakhond-waarschuwt-voor-gevaarlijk-nieuw-beveiligingslek -> Use google translate if you like
I wonder where this vulnerability was found
It was a MC server
topaz nymph
It was found by alibaba iirc
topaz nymph
Alibaba Cloud Security Team
Well, it was probably used by black hat hackers much earlier than it was publicly found, to be honest.
frigid willow
Man if someone had knowledge of this before it went public
holy crap that person could've done soo much and I mean sooo much damage
not only to MC
tawdry spoke
Does the orange on the website mean that 1.18 will be stable soon or no clue?
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
vague falcon
Stability is up for you to decide! We just tell you to not to blame us if you deem it's not :p btw take backups thanks
main turtle
Uh it seems like theres a slight bug with the latest version, you can get achievements multiple times
its happened quite a bit
with the "isnt it iron pick", "Diamonds!", "Monster Hunter" etc
and i suspect more, this is just from the 15 first minutes of gameplay
topaz nymph
Make sure to report it then on the issue tracker.
main turtle
lemme see if i can find it
topaz nymph
👍
peak pulsar
Hello, I have a quick question doesn't 1.18.1 part two has the same java version as 1.17.1 part one?
dark wigeon
1.18 requires java 17
peak pulsar
ah I see.
pseudo rock
Is it okay to go from 1.18.1 to 1.18 paper?
dark wigeon
no, downgrades will not work
autumn comet
There's no reason to do so either
peak pulsar
^ 1.18.1 clients can join 1.18 servers and vice versa
pseudo rock
Just really need worldedit and my server’s panel auto updated, can’t find a dev build for 1.18.1 yet so was wondering if a downgrade was possible, this server isn’t open yet so it’s ndb, worldedit would just help a lot lol
timber ridge
Just really need worldedit and my server’s panel auto updated, can’t find a dev ...
Worldedit has released builds for 1.18.1
Check their Discord.
pseudo rock
Oh sweet, I must have missed that- thank you!
wind thicket
need crash-reports?
vivid ironBOT
need crash-reports?
message.txt by @wind thicket: https://paste.gg/38071123836745fda56a61231847aef1
wind thicket
need crash-reports?
This server is running Paper version git-Paper-68 (MC: 1.18.1) (Implementing API version 1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT) (Git: 1c779c2)
You are running the latest version
Previous version: git-Paper-66 (MC: 1.18)```
plush ore
Is there a new permission for nether antixray bypass?
paper.antixray.bypass does not work for the nether.
timber ridge
Are you sure that you have the config enabled for the nether in the anti-xray config?
plush ore
I wrote it in myself
plush ore
Alright thanks, I forgot to add that.
timber ridge
Under the nether section.
plush ore
Alright thank you
plush ore
Yeah I got it wrote in now thanks
elfin meadow
Does the experimental version have significant performance improvements? We have a vanilla server with 30 GB or ram allocated to it and when we have more than 6 people on the server console starts complaining about the server being overloaded
brisk canopy
certain patches are still missing in experimental, but it's already far more performant than vanilla
feral spire
You should seee huge improvement
feral spire
Yes it’s still work in progress
plush ore
It's likely your CPU not your ram
My CPU was bottlenecking my server and it's a i9-9900k
elfin meadow
It's an 8 core something or another. Admittedly not clocked super high but it's peaking at ~40% utilization
plush ore
Switch to paper and if it doesn't improve anything provide a timings report with /timings report
elfin meadow
Sounds good, thanks for the advice
feral spire
It's an 8 core something or another. Admittedly not clocked super high but it's ...
You need to tell us what core model. Potato core?
plush ore
Minecraft is single core so it doesn't matter how many cores it has, the only thing that matters is single core speeds
feral spire
It matters in paper as paper has a lot of task done off main thread
brisk canopy
not entirely true, minecraft would benefit from additional cores
feral spire
I will suggest minimum 4 cores on most case
feral spire
World generation actually will now. Vanilla makes the jump
plush ore
okay that might help me
feral spire
You don’t. Paper will take it if you give it
Unless you are running inside container then you will just set the limit to either unlimited or whatever cores you can spare
plush ore
Interesting, my timings report keeps showing server oversleep with my CPU utilization at only 30-40
dark wigeon
that's because a certain async task is still being waited upon
plush ore
That would have to do with the CPU in most cases wouldn't it?
dark wigeon
it's usually because there are too many async tasks
stuck mural
whats the highest i can make my no tick view distance (now called render distance) without my server dying?
plush ore
How many players do you have and how good is your server?
vague falcon
no more than 32, obviously
plush ore
^ I wouldn't do that though but there's really no way to tell the right distance without actually testing it yourself
vague falcon
yeah I'd really say you don't need more than 16
plush ore
Even if you can handle 16, it'll cause people with crappy bandwidth to lag out upon joining and teleporting
vague falcon
only if they had their render distance up high right? I'm not too sure the internals
plush ore
Yeah but most ppl are stupid and don't adjust those settings lol
feral spire
The respect client patch isn’t in 1.18 yet
stuck mural
i thought mojang had it respect client view distance
vapid prawn
Other way around
In 1.18 they made the client fog Math.min(client.view-distance, server.view-distance)
elfin meadow
Yeah I have a feeling it's the server we're running on. We tried a VPS through OVH on vanilla and it was pretty rough, and now we're getting "The server hasn't responded for 13 seconds" on an actual server
feral spire
I am not aware OVH offers modern CPUs for their vps
covert jolt
Yeah I have a feeling it's the server we're running on. We tried a VPS through O...
horrible garbage collection / memory issues
likely just underperforming hardware
elfin meadow
Unsure, we had no problems in the past but this update has just been such a headache
covert jolt
more memory =/= better
dunno how much you're paying for that VPS but you might just be better off shared hosting
e.g. bloomhost or dedicatedmc
elfin meadow
Yeah we switched off the VPS because trying to upgrade it was far too pricey, we might look at bloomhost or dedicatedmc. Just trying to play the game with 8 or so friends lol
bold lark
you know the low bandwith time out change mojang just did in 1.18.1
was that implemented in the paper 1.17 or 1.18 (not 1.18.1) builds?
vapid prawn
I believe that was a change Paper has had for some time now, not sure though
bold lark
hmm
it seems to literally highlight one of the major probs i have been having with the earlier paper 1.18 build
it got a little better with build 391 for 1.17
haughty kiln
I dont know if this is a minecraft or paper bug but scoreboards cant detect when you break new 1.17-18 blocks. I tried doing /scoreboard objectives add Deepdiamonds_Mined minecraft.broken:minecraft.deepslate_diamond_ore. But it doesn't detect it.
vapid prawn
Try it on vanilla
haughty kiln
was about to do that haha
wow, did I just really find my first vanilla minecraft bug!
😱
How am I going to detect how many diamonds you have mined when I cant even detect deepslate variant
long edge
you can open an issue on Paper's issue tracker https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/new -- but for a vanilla bug also see https://bugs.mojang.com
haughty kiln
it was a vanilla bug
but will do
bruh I can't log in. Anyone wanna submit the bug instead of me?
halcyon skiff
Hi, I am getting java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/minecraft/world/level/Level on my server.
I am using paperweight-userdev and io.papermc.paper:dev-bundle:1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT for development, also i downloaded latest paper jar from the website. After starting server it downloads another jar to ./versions/1.18.1/paper-1.18.1.jar anyway and then after applying patches the jar in ./versions is missing those classes. How do I make it use Mojang mappings? Even when I do copy correct jar from IntelliJ it still applies patches and breaks it.
pulsar dagger
you need to use the reobf jar
you can use a mojang mapped server but then other plugins depending on the reobf one will break
hoary wind
I dont know if this is a minecraft or paper bug but scoreboards cant detect when...
there's minecraft.mined and minecraft.broken. Did you maybe want mined?
haughty kiln
I broke the block in creative and with a diamond pickaxe. Didnt work on either of them on minecraft.broken @hoary wind
Oh but it worked with mined for some reason 🤨
does not breaking in creative count as break a block?
halcyon skiff
you need to use the reobf jar
So „default” one that i can download from paper’s website right? It also doesn’t work, how do I reobfuscate my plugin? As I said I use paperweight-userdev and I followed the example plugin (cradle configuration mainly) for paperweight from GitHub
pulsar dagger
I mean your reobf plugin jar
paperweight-userdev handles creating that
if you copied the example then ./gradlew build will get you the jar
it's the one without -dev or -dev-all
halcyon skiff
ok it's working, shadowJar is breaking something (jar in build/libs, the one without -dev is working fine)
shadowJar {
minimize()
archiveFileName = "mcbblk-${project.name}-${project.version}.jar"
destinationDirectory = file("$rootDir/build/")
}
build {
delete fileTree("${rootDir}/build") {
include "**/mcbblk-${project.name}-*.jar"
}
dependsOn('reobfJar')
}
Using this jar in "$rootDir/build/" is the mojang mapped one
pulsar dagger
uh, you don't want the shadowjar
the readme in the example plugin covers this
I wouldn't recommend changing output directories for no reason like that
but you would want to change it for reobfjar, which again is covered in the example plugin
in the build file
halcyon skiff
I wouldn't recommend changing output directories for no reason like that
well i am using multi-project setup for my development
pulsar dagger
also you would want that delete in clean, not build
halcyon skiff
and i just copy jars to the root dir for easy access
pulsar dagger
it's non-standard
there's no real reason to
unless you're copying it to a test server or something, in which case I'd say something like run-paper is better
dapper lotus
symlink go brr
halcyon skiff
unless you're copying it to a test server or something, in which case I'd say so...
could be better but my test setup consists of multiple interconnected servers with velocity in front
pulsar dagger
well, create a copy task then
don't modify the output location for the actual build task
you don't need to use build-logic even, can copy that class into the parent build file
halcyon skiff
clean {
delete fileTree("${rootDir}/build") {
include "**/mcbblk-${project.name}-*.jar"
}
}
shadowJar {
minimize()
}
reobfJar {
outputJar.set(layout.buildDirectory.file("$rootDir/build/mcbblk-${project.name}-${project.version}.jar"))
}
build {
dependsOn('reobfJar')
}
That's working for me now, although you are right i maybe should do it differently
hearty minnow
merry haven
ESSX discord doesn't do as good of a job
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:42:02 CST ERROR] Detected setBlock in a far chunk [319, -309], pos: BlockPosition{x=5112, y=-5, z=-4929}, status: minecraft:features, currently generating: ResourceKey[minecraft:worldgen/placed_feature / minecraft:large_dripstone]
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:42:02 CST ERROR] Detected setBlock in a far chunk [319, -309], pos: BlockPosition{x=5113, y=-5, z=-4929}, status: minecraft:features, currently generating: ResourceKey[minecraft:worldgen/placed_feature / minecraft:large_dripstone]
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:42:02 CST ERROR] Detected setBlock in a far chunk [319, -309], pos: BlockPosition{x=5114, y=-5, z=-4929}, status: minecraft:features, currently generating: ResourceKey[minecraft:worldgen/placed_feature / minecraft:large_dripstone]```how is this related to essx discord
pulsar dagger
ESSX discord doesn't do as good of a job
you were here
long edge
you can ignore that, it's a harmless warning
pulsar dagger
I guess I somehow thought those messages were related
neon shard
Wait the warning message changed, does this mean it’s stable?
dry iron
Wait the warning message changed, does this mean it’s stable?
What does the message say?
neon shard
Yeah I know but I meant can we use it for servers now
Since the “can’t be used for production” is removed
merry haven
Okay I'm a noob to crash logs, are they just in the log directory or somewhere else
robust nymph
Is there a list of any known bugs in the jar
topaz nymph
(It was changed to be less “aggressive”, but just make more confusion ig)
topaz nymph
Is there a list of any known bugs in the jar
The issue tracker?
neon shard
The warning message changed color
Wait nothing changed? I thought it was like red > yellow > green because someone in my server told me a build is out lol
Oh well rip
dry iron
Yeah I know but I meant can we use it for servers now
The text makes it clear. As it says, use with caution, backups recommended, and that these are early builds.
lunar cliff
is 1.18 stable yet
neon shard
They shortened it though, it also had “don’t use in production environments” so I thought it became somewhat stable atleast
lunar cliff
welp, it literally says experimental in the title. off to the dunce corner with me
merry haven
[6:43 PM]
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:43:38 CST INFO] <a2c3> tps is down rn
[6:43 PM]
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:43:43 CST INFO] <a2c3> 18.42tps
[6:43 PM]
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:43:49 CST INFO] <a2c3> now 17
[6:44 PM]
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:05 CST ERROR] --- DO NOT REPORT THIS TO PAPER - THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A CRASH - git-Paper-68 (MC: 1.18.1) ---
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:06 CST ERROR] The server has not responded for 10 seconds! Creating thread dump
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:06 CST ERROR] ------------------------------
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:06 CST ERROR] Server thread dump (Look for plugins here before reporting to Paper!):
[6:44 PM]
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:16 CST ERROR] ------------------------------
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:16 CST ERROR] Current Thread: Server thread
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:16 CST ERROR] PID: 24 | Suspended: false | Native: false | State: WAITING
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:16 CST ERROR] Stack:
[6:45 PM]
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:22 CST ERROR] java.base@17.0.1/jdk.internal.misc.Unsafe.park(Native Method)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:22 CST ERROR] java.base@17.0.1/java.util.concurrent.locks.LockSupport.park(LockSupport.java:211)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:22 CST ERROR] java.base@17.0.1/java.util.concurrent.CompletableFuture$Signaller.block(CompletableFuture.java:1864)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:22 CST ERROR] java.base@17.0.1/java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool.unmanagedBlock(ForkJoinPool.java:3463)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:22 CST ERROR] java.base@17.0.1/java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool.managedBlock(ForkJoinPool.java:3434)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:22 CST ERROR] java.base@17.0.1/java.util.concurrent.CompletableFuture.waitingGet(CompletableFuture.java:1898)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:29 CST ERROR] java.base@17.0.1/java.util.concurrent.CompletableFuture.join(CompletableFuture.java:2117)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:43 CST ERROR] net.minecraft.server.level.ChunkMap.f(ChunkMap.java:1648)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:43 CST ERROR] Dynmap-3.3-beta-1-spigot.jar//org.dynmap.bukkit.helper.v118.MapChunkCache118.loadChunk(MapChunkCache118.java:274)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:43 CST ERROR] Dynmap-3.3-beta-1-spigot.jar//org.dynmap.common.chunk.GenericMapChunkCache.readChunks(GenericMapChunkCache.java:759)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:43 CST ERROR] Dynmap-3.3-beta-1-spigot.jar//org.dynmap.common.chunk.GenericMapChunkCache.loadChunks(GenericMapChunkCache.java:722)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:43 CST ERROR] Dynmap-3.3-beta-1-spigot.jar//org.dynmap.bukkit.DynmapPlugin$BukkitServer$6.call(DynmapPlugin.java:530)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:43 CST ERROR] Dynmap-3.3-beta-1-spigot.jar//org.dynmap.bukkit.DynmapPlugin$BukkitServer$6.call(DynmapPlugin.java:517)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:43 CST ERROR] org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_18_R1.scheduler.CraftFuture.run(CraftFuture.java:88)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:43 CST ERROR] org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_18_R1.scheduler.CraftScheduler.mainThreadHeartbeat(CraftScheduler.java:483)
[6:45 PM]
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:44:43 CST ERROR] net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.tickChildren(MinecraftServer.java:1547)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:45:01 CST ERROR] net.minecraft.server.dedicated.DedicatedServer.tickChildren(DedicatedServer.java:480)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:45:01 CST ERROR] net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.tickServer(MinecraftServer.java:1470)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:45:02 CST ERROR] net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.runServer(MinecraftServer.java:1264)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:45:02 CST ERROR] net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.lambda$spin$0(MinecraftServer.java:317)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:45:02 CST ERROR] net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer$$Lambda$3941/0x000000080142f098.run(Unknown Source)
[Sat, 11. Dec 2021 19:45:02 CST ERROR] java.base@17.0.1/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:833)```might be dynmap
pliant halo
--- DO NOT REPORT THIS TO PAPER - THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A CRASH - git-Paper-68 (MC: 1.18.1) --- 😉
merry haven
well the server did crash
topaz nymph
Yea that’s dynmap
cunning tiger
Does paper disable bedrock breaking?
long edge
yes bananaman, however there is a config
topaz nymph
And in the future, please use a paste service.
cunning tiger
yes bananaman, however there is a config
How do I reenable it
half walrusBOT
Having problems with TNT Duping, Bedrock Breaking or Sand Duping Vanilla Exploits? See: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/3854 for information.
merry haven
does squaremap have 3d renders?
long edge
see ^
pulsar dagger
no
merry haven
ehh i can disable dynmap for a while to see if that fixes it
then update dynmap later
pulsar dagger
last update I pushed will actually improve dynmap performance a bit
spigot was round tripping things with codecs instead of just copying 
topaz nymph
Thanks codecs 😻
merry haven
esp the first few weeks its good to update a lot
pallid merlin
If I have set the view distance to, lets say, 24 chunks, in my server but the client have the render distance to 12, does all the 24x24 chunks sent or just the 12x12?
topaz nymph
Only 12x12
long edge
on 1.17, only the 12x12
on 1.18 that hasn't been added yet. And for vanilla/spigot/etc, the 24x24
pallid merlin
Oh, is not implemented yet? oh
topaz nymph
Huh the server just ignores client side render distance..? 🤔
pulsar dagger
vanilla server yes
feral spire
always been that way but paper make it respect client distance. The patch just isnt there yet. coz leaf is busy changing his name 
topaz nymph
Huh that’s interesting…. x)
pallid merlin
So if I set the view distance to 24x24 it will take longer to load, right? I see, thank you
Make sense
pallid merlin
Is it possible to have view distance per player or something like that? I remember being a thing in paper
feral spire
no that was a plugin.
pallid merlin
Oh, thank you!
cunning tiger
how do I fix people getting stuck on lecterns
topaz nymph
There’s currently an open issue for that, a workaround isn’t known currently.
lofty skiff
wait was that not a vanilla feature
pulsar dagger
no
topaz nymph
Does the client then just fog out the outer chunks? 🤔
lofty skiff
their contents are probably loaded in RAM but not sent to the gpu
I know that just past the fog it doesn't actually render anything
pulsar dagger
yeah I'm not certain if the chunks are stored or not but the packets do have to be processed
which combined with the lack of rate limit can cause issues especially for slow or bad connection clients
feral spire
People who complains that the chunk doesnt load when they switch worlds or teleports is usually because of this 
normal pecan
build #69.. heh nice
clear cloak
has anyone had any issues with paper 1.18.1
undone gust
how "risky" is running on the unstable builds? Would it be worth the time to just run on spigot until a stable version is released?
pine fiber
unstable means running it on a server that you have a playerbase using is not recommended
you can do it if you'd like, but if you do, you'd be dumb to not take backups
feral spire
you can look up the current issue trackers for the issues people can recreate but you are going to make regular backups
clear cloak
unstable means running it on a server that you have a playerbase using is not re...
im not doing that tho
long edge
there aren't any known serious issues
main thing you'll run into is https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7043
dark wigeon
There are also some fun cave vine crashes
pulsar dagger
if you're using an unsupported old version of java lol
long edge
yeah if you are getting that on java 17 (non-ea), you'd have to elaborate, I'm not aware we have any valid issue for such a thing
somber jewel
secure using paper 1.18.1?
long edge
see above, there aren't any super serious known issues
or if you mean secure from this new exploit, yes
feral spire
yes you can find them on google. Most big one are already updated.
silent compass
can you link me one? i only see old ones like 2020
i cant seem to find a good just world teleport mod
like even a sign one
silent compass
then you do it
spring prawn
why?
amber mica
Multiverse Portals should still work fine, even if it was updated some time ago
spring prawn
Is there a multiverse for 1.18?
amber mica
the 1.17 build most likely will work, MV tends to be pretty stable over updates
slim pivot
Does no-tick work in 1.18 yet?
dark wigeon
(no, but view-distance is basically no-tick in 1.18)
stuck mural
Does no-tick work in 1.18 yet?
short answer: vanilla's implementation works, paper has not updated their implementation
slim pivot
are they planning to?
peak pulsar
has anyone had any issues with paper 1.18.1
chunks are taking time to become visible when loaded
atleast for me when i update my world from 1.17.1 to 1.18.1
stuck mural
atleast for me when i update my world from 1.17.1 to 1.18.1
this may be due to the cave generation under existing chunks
stuck mural
are they planning to?
yes. i believe Leaf is maintaining those patches and is busy at the moment
slim pivot
chunks are taking time to become visible when loaded
Yeah, I'm finding that chunks hang
peak pulsar
this may be due to the cave generation under existing chunks
ye but do 1.17.1 chunks have to have solid deepslate below them
peak pulsar
Yeah, I'm finding that chunks hang
ye it happens when i first load in to a comverted world but chunks load after time
feral spire
Upgrading chunk takes time. It will likely be improved later
stuck mural
ye but do 1.17.1 chunks have to have solid deepslate below them
not sure what your question is? if the chunk has bedrock at y0 it will generate caves below y0 and y-64
regal fable
hey is there a bug that makes it where i cant interact with inventory in my server or is that just me?
doesnt appear to happen on my vanilla server
timber ridge
Haven't seen anyone else report that bug in 1.18 yet.
uncut pelican
Does it happen often? If so, how?
regal fable
*my friend's vanilla
timber ridge
So check your plugins?
regal fable
Does it happen often? If so, how?
i try to move an item in my inventory and it rubber bands back into the inventory slot it was in
uncut pelican
how often does it happen
regal fable
every time
uncut pelican
that seems like an issue with plugins. Even after a server restart?
uncut pelican
if it happens every time it’s probably plugins
timber ridge
Try removing plugins and try again.
regal fable
hmmm
disabling plugins didnt work
im still rubberbanding my inventory, it must be a server thing
is there a spawn protection thing that i just need to turn off or?
timber ridge
That shouldn't matter. Are you in a weird gamemode or something?
Or any weird client mods?
regal fable
im just playing survival
im on sodium but nothing happens on my friends vanilla world
timber ridge
Pretty odd. Haven't seen a single person with that problem.
Rubberbanding inventory could happen if you have a super bad connection to the server.
I'd try with a bone stock vanilla client and see if it still happens.
regal fable
sure
uncut pelican
@regal fable is anything else rubberbanding / lagging?
timber ridge
Failing that, try saving the world and configs and starting a new fresh server with no settings.
regal fable
<@253263181189742592> is anything else rubberbanding / lagging?
nope
regal fable
im using 1.18.1 experimental
timber ridge
Right
regal fable
vanilla works just fine btw
i just changed server type and that problem doesnt exist, so it must be spigot or some setting that isnt turned off
jaunty onyx
Hi guys, so far was using the experimental version to check out the features and all (without doing much for optimizing the server), main being the world pre-generation thing as it can take long hours. As I see the early version is out, is it recommended to reset and start the pre-gen process or should I wait for some days more?
timber ridge
You shouldn't need to restart pre-gen.
timber ridge
i just changed server type and that problem doesnt exist, so it must be spigot o...
Sorry, not sure what this means. It's working fine now?
regal fable
Sorry, not sure what this means. It's working fine now?
yes when its on vanilla
jaunty onyx
I didn't pre-gen my server before.. I will start it if the current version starts to be stable enough.
timber ridge
yes when its on vanilla
Vanilla client?
regal fable
no vanilla server
timber ridge
no vanilla server
Try with a vanilla client - no mods - on your server.
timber ridge
like vanilla client with spigot or with vanilla server?
Well this is Paper, so I'd hope you're using 1.18 Paper.
And not spigot.
regal fable
im using paper spigot
timber ridge
Minor correction: Paper is Paper, not Paper Spigot.
regal fable
ok then ill try paper instead of spigot
timber ridge
Where did you download the server jar?
regal fable
im using shockbyte server manager
timber ridge
Ah
regal fable
but yeah idk how a client side mod would change inventory interaction on a paper server and not a vanilla server
dark wigeon
packet limiting
timber ridge
but yeah idk how a client side mod would change inventory interaction on a paper...
Mostly it's about changing stuff around to see if anything ends up different.
But Paper and Vanilla don't always behave the same.
feral spire
it can 100% do it and that's why testing on vanilla client is important.
timber ridge
Always good to try to eliminate variables.
regal fable
ok same thing is happening on spigot so we know its not paper specific
ill change it back to paper and play vanilla
@timber ridge happens on vanilla too, it has to be something with the server
timber ridge
<@!188417437295706113> happens on vanilla too, it has to be something with the s...
Alright, so the next thing I'd try is a fresh server instance with no config changes.
Honestly I've never seen this, so I have no idea.
regal fable
i didnt change any configs?
timber ridge
There have been zero reports of this from anyone on any version.
regal fable
ok well
timber ridge
Can you do /ver and show which build you're on?
regal fable
send it to the bug list i guess
feral spire
have you change anything at all?
spawn up a fresh server right now and see
with vanilla client
regal fable
regal fable
with vanilla client
this fixes it for sure i already checked
feral spire
to open an issue, you will need steps to recreate
timber ridge
Okay, most recent 1.18.1
feral spire
if that fixes it, it isnt really a bug it's something to do with ugh...
regal fable
i also noticed item drops are invisible
regal fable
if that fixes it, it isnt really a bug it's something to do with ugh...
ugh?
dark wigeon
yeah if it doesnt happen on vanilla client it's probably just your mods
regal fable
they're all disabled
regal fable
yeah if it doesnt happen on vanilla client it's probably just your mods
it happens on vanilla client not vanilla server
regal fable
disabled =/= removed.
fine ill remove it
feral spire
I am now 100% confused
timber ridge
Me too.
dark wigeon
i am still gecko
pine fiber
if vanilla fixes, but modded (with mods disabled) doesn't, I'd say it's something to do with modded.
regal fable
ohp just found it i think
dark wigeon
"it was my inventory tweaks"
regal fable
i installed mods directly into the file manager instead of the server manager so i think it didnt appear in the active plugins list
dark wigeon
what
regal fable
yup
feral spire
I hope you are using a sane mod manager like multiMC...
regal fable
I'm not familiar with whatever that is
so basically there a server-based file managers like FileZilla that lets you interact with your server folder directly, and then there are server managers like MultiMC through Shockbyte
timber ridge
Ah gotcha
regal fable
installing a plugin through filezilla doesnt show your installed plugins list in your multimc
timber ridge
Well glad we could kinda help I guess :)
dark wigeon
since when are we talking about plugins
regal fable
just note that if anyone else says this happened tell them to delete their old plugins
regal fable
since when are we talking about plugins
scroll up
feral spire
disabled =/= removed.
this is always the golden rule 
regal fable
this is always the golden rule <a:Hype:646409553377886228>
thanks i dont know why plugins would be problematic if disabled
serene meteor
@dark wigeon hi
dark wigeon
omnipresent
cunning thicket
Its working perfectly
vapid prawn
Disabled plugins still load and can do things, they just don't get to listen to events, commands, etc
So if the "plugin" is actually a mod that on load modifies server internals....
It might actually be more broken than if you just let it run normally, thinking about it
viscid lily
Hi! I run my server with difficulty "easy" by accident. I set it to normal in server properties and restart but the server is still easy! Why?
timber ridge
You can try running /difficulty and seeing what it returns.
/difficulty 1 will set it to normal.
But on restart it should pull from the server.properties.
peak pulsar
Isn’t that only on world creation?
dark wigeon
dont think so
timber ridge
I don't think so
peak pulsar
Might be something else then
dark wigeon
`/difficulty 1` will set it to normal.
isn't that, like, pre-flattening? /difficulty normal should be sufficient
peak pulsar
Wiki says numbers are BE only
timber ridge
IIRC /difficulty should output options
Yeah looks like numbers don't work - the chat warns you.
So it'd be /difficulty normal
And doing just /difficulty does tell you the current difficulty.
viscid lily
Thanks. I will try
vale vale
is paper stable yet?
stark pagoda
theres a reason why this channel exists :P
vale vale
damn
stark pagoda
but at this point no major issue other than the log4j exploit has been reported so far
many people are already running it and it seems fine, just take backups
vale vale
we just wanna have a survival playthrough but obviously avoiding world corruption is a must
me and a few mates
we might just wait a few more days
hopefully it stabilises by then
inner crypt
Should be good enough for that @vale vale, just keep automatic backups
weary plank
When updating an existing world from paper 1.17.1 to paper 1.18.1 do I need to do something special or will it do that for me automatically? Just want to make sure my worlds don't get messed up
Never mind, --forceUpgrade just decided to start working - is that really necessary tho for larger worlds?
modern lintel
What backup are you guys using? Plugin or your host's built in?
weary plank
What backup are you guys using? Plugin or your host's built in?
I just do tar -cvzf backup.tar.gz minecraft/ on my VPS
autumn comet
If you do your backups on the same disk your server runs on, you can also use these backup plugins lol
weary plank
I'm sure there are quite a few methods of doing it, I haven't run a Minecraft server in years so I didn't know these existed
autumn comet
The tools I mentioned aren't tied to mc only, you can use them for sure in other environments too
weary plank
Thanks, I'll check them out :)
inner crypt
Never mind, --forceUpgrade just decided to start working - is that really necess...
we discourage usage of that, it should never be needed
weary plank
So the server will handle upgrading the world on the fly by itself?
autumn comet
Yes
weary plank
Alright, much appreciated 👍
kindred bronze
hello
I found a bug in 1.18 in the latest version
node:events:368
throw er; // Unhandled 'error' event
^
Error: write EPIPE
at afterWriteDispatched (node:internal/stream_base_commons:164:15)
at writeGeneric (node:internal/stream_base_commons:155:3)
at Socket._writeGeneric (node:net:795:11)
at Socket._write (node:net:807:8)
at writeOrBuffer (node:internal/streams/writable:389:12)
at _write (node:internal/streams/writable:330:10)
at Socket.Writable.write (node:internal/streams/writable:334:10)
at ReadStream.<anonymous> (/home/hokus/hokus.js:431:37)
at ReadStream.emit (node:events:390:28)
at addChunk (node:internal/streams/readable:315:12)
Emitted 'error' event on Socket instance at:
at emitErrorNT (node:internal/streams/destroy:157:8)
at emitErrorCloseNT (node:internal/streams/destroy:122:3)
at processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:83:21) {
errno: -32,
code: 'EPIPE',
syscall: 'write'
}
dapper lotus
wat
covert jolt
TIL papermc is a nodejs app
rare orchid
mojang must've moved from Java to JavaScript because they have similar names!! 😳
vapid prawn
Even if that was the right project or language that's not even a bug, that's a network issue
kindred bronze
ok, I thought it may helped
outer pewter
node:events:368
throw er; // Unhandled 'error' event
^
Error: write E...
Make a github issue so mojang fixes their discord bot
acoustic dagger
i think you can make a minecraft server running in node js
i saw it somewhere
something as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTIv_f-Ll2g
mental lodge
Has anyone else been experiencing an overload of ram since updating to 1.18?
1 player online and 6.5GB of ram being used
acoustic dagger
Has anyone else been experiencing an overload of ram since updating to 1.18?
1 ...
not really but there was memory leak on first experimental paper build
i updated to latest version and it was fine as on 1.17.1
mental lodge
yeh, I'm on the new 1.18.1 and I'm still getting a stupid amount of ram being used. 1 player online with 6.5gb ram used it very overkill, no idea what is causing it
dapper lotus
You can do anything in node
it has fuck all to do with us
We're seemingly found the issue and a workaround for the leak
turned out to be exactly what some of us where expecting :L
mental lodge
must be one of the plugins i guess
gilded ice
With 1.18.1 I've seen Lower ram usage (pterodactyl)
I use pretouch, but algo a plugin that shows me the "real" ram usage.
The overload May have to do with chunk generation.
round stone
Does upgrading worlds mean something other than switching from 1.17 to 1.18? Because the server i've been running has been using all of its ram as well, but we've only ever had it on 1.18.
dapper lotus
'using all of it's ram" means nothing
unless you're running out of ram, it means nothing
This is java.
fuuuck me is chunk loading slow as shit on spigot...
warm mango
Heh, Spigot
Has chunk generation improved on Paper since the initial 1.18 builds? I remember in Leaf's updating stream he showed the difference between 1.17 and 1.18, and it was a pretty large difference.
brisk canopy
a few days back I talked about timeouts in 1.18 paper, and apparently we found out that allowing players who struggle with connection to bypass anti xray will somewhat improve their situation: if they even see the void, they'll spend so much less time in it, but they still can get timed out sometimes. might assume that's because chunks are much larger in 1.18 by size and anti xray (mod 2) increases the size even more. maybe this will be helpful to anyone; you can enable bypass via permission in paper.yml and then give that permission to individuals struggling that you trust (trust, because that's defeats the purpose of having it in the first place). I completely forgot we had anti xray on paper lol, should've tested it first
dapper lotus
anti xray adds some overheads
the fact that chunks load kinda fast causes connections to flood, especially given that the rate limit patch isn't in 1.18 yet
brisk canopy
it looks interesting from the perspective of player, like they get ‘teleported’ to coordinates like (8,8) and the fall, if they look up they can see these chunks become visible from one side to another, but then they get ‘teleported’ to their actual location, start falling again, same from one side to another chunk appearance and then after chunks fill up they teleported to their previous Y level with bones crack sound
this 8,8 is really interesting, I won't deny that maybe there's a plugin involved, but we don't have any stuff that has any deal with tp besides essentials, need to check it
dapper lotus
I mean, you'll join the world
you'll be falling because mojang made the client exit the prep screen before the min chunks are there
but, there shouldn't be any teleports
Like, outside of the teleporting back towards the surface cos often it has the chunk at some point but just refuses to render it
brisk canopy
does client immediately know its location in the world even before chunks are loaded? actually, no, that still wouldn't explain the chunk loading.. I really gotta check all plugins (gladly there aren't that many)
tribal lotus
node:events:368
throw er; // Unhandled 'error' event
^
Error: write E...
You may have been affected dude 🤯
by the log4j thing
who knows
dapper lotus
Literally nothing to do with that
tribal lotus
Someone ran Doom with that thing
dapper lotus
at least, nothing they've said indicates jack shit towards that; they provided 0 info, 0 context, speculating into "your systems been hacked" is just dangerous and stupid
topaz nymph
node.js x)
gilded ice
'using all of it's ram" means nothing
I get it, "java ram usage as a reference point is absurd."
keen patrol
Hey guys - I'm trying to build the latest master of the Paper repo, but compilation fails with:
/home/tux/Projects/Paper/Paper-Server/src/main/java/org/bukkit/craftbukkit/entity/CraftLlama.java:49: error: setStrength(int) has private access in Llama
this.getHandle().setStrength(strength);
I guess I'll just have to wait for a fix?
zenith topaz
Or just fix it by urself
keen patrol
I'll try and report back
slim pivot
Does anyone know if there are still world generation features missing in paper 1.18.1
Trying to figure out whether I should use the latest build to generate my new 1.18 world or if I should wait a bit
dapper lotus
literally nothing is missing or has ever been missing from world gen
only thing missing are patches which improve the performance of the server
slim pivot
literally nothing is missing or has ever been missing from world gen
Ok ty
mossy wigeon
You can do anything in node
That's why I love Node.js
want to ssh into a server using node.js or whatever? sure. Want to control your fail2ban instance on your machine? YOU CAN DO THAT!
knotty fiber
did rightNow 1.18.1 Stable?
vague falcon
Typo, you can't do anything in node lol
I mean probably but 200x harder than other Lang's
And we always recommend taking backups, that won't change
dapper lotus
Because it's still an early build?
vague falcon
It's hot off the presses, eat pizza fresh out of the oven with caution
grave charm
Hey guys - I'm trying to build the latest master of the Paper repo, but compilat...
Latest master should build just fine. What steps did you take?
clone repo, run apply patches, then create a jar
rugged shell
Anyone else experiencing crashes with 1.18.1?
topaz nymph
Can you provide those crash logs? 🙂
rugged shell
Thats the issue, it tells me nothing:
..../entrypoint.sh: line 14: 11 Killed java -Xms128M -Xmx4096M -jar paper-1.18.1-71.jar
Idk if its a host issue or what.
dapper lotus
so, it was killed by the host
rugged shell
Alright, contacting them.
subtle spear
Thats the issue, it tells me nothing:
>..../entrypoint.sh: line 14: 11 Killed...
check syslog, whenever i get that it's a visit from the oom reaper
rugged shell
check syslog, whenever i get that it's a visit from the oom reaper
oom reaper? Care to explain I'm too unexperienced with this.
devout sun
Is there a way to not extend a world to y -64 when updating a world from 1.17 to 1.18?
tawdry spoke
Is there a way to not extend a world to y -64 when updating a world from 1.17 to...
Nope, 1.18 goes tgat low in vanilla now
subtle spear
oom reaper? Care to explain I'm too unexperienced with this.
if your systems runs out of memory it will start killing processes it considers unimportant
devout sun
-.-
I found (by accident) "a way": Change level.dat to a flatworld with "void" settings, update world and the world only generate air 0 to -64...
now I "only" need a way to go back to Y = 0 ...
subtle spear
or, rather, if an application requests more memory than the system has
fluid badge
can i drop bugs in this chat, because i found one
dapper lotus
forceUpgrade iirc will bork the retrogen but you'd need to test that
grave charm
Is there a way to not extend a world to y -64 when updating a world from 1.17 to...
there's a spigot.yml setting for disabling the retrogen stuff. new chunks will have the -64 height tho
dapper lotus
but, changing dim height is basically unsupported
So, er, am not sure what I'd even suggest there
peak pulsar
can i drop bugs in this chat, because i found one
Depends on the severity
devout sun
there's a spigot.yml setting for disabling the retrogen stuff. new chunks will h...
world-settings.default.below-zero-generation-in-existing-chunks thanks, I will play a bit with that setting
fluid badge
the lecturn glitches when you place it down
grave charm
you can still build to -64 in existing chunks, and new chunks will generate down to -64, but old chunks wont generate stuff below 0
@fluid badge https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7043 ?
fluid badge
ty
devout sun
but, changing dim height is basically unsupported
By mojang or by spigot/paper?
devout sun
by mojang.
ok, than I fill that 64 blocks with bedrock -.-
thanks for help..
dapper lotus
stop mentioning.
keen patrol
Latest master should build just fine. What steps did you take?
clone repo, run a...
I did clone it again and it worked fine 👍
Not sure what happened there
bold obsidian
Is there a way to make two different paper instances utilize different CPU Cores
Ill be running two servers simultaneously and want to split the load
dapper lotus
that's on the OS to deal with
brisk canopy
Thats the issue, it tells me nothing:
>..../entrypoint.sh: line 14: 11 Killed...
are you using all your memory? if your server has 4GB, use -Xmx of 3G, Java needs memory on top of heap to operate
fallen plover
Do I need to update my config files like the paper.yml when I updated from 1.16.5-1.17.1-1.18.1?
errant pagoda
i believe paper handles that for you
peak pulsar
It automatically adds new settings ^
dapper lotus
new values will be added, sometimes we migrate settings, etc
modern pendant
"why my 1.18 server lagging"
also why render distance low? to improve performance?
dapper lotus
if you mean the fog,mojang has fixed that
dapper lotus
that's the client
modern pendant
make sure that you're using .1
yeah i am
modern pendant
otherwise, increase view distance
ill try that
dapper lotus
don't mention.
modern pendant
ok
peak pulsar
also why render distance low? to improve performance?
If you updated the server from 1.17 and you used no-tick view distance it no longer works. You should increase the view distance in vanilla config file and set simulation value to what you had in papers config for no-tick distance
modern pendant
server.properties?
peak pulsar
ye
modern pendant
ok
it was at 3 before
will it be better to just delete all the ymls
why is the render distance for the end and nether so small
like so much fog
frosty elm
Hey Im trying to use the paperweight userdev plugin but I always get this error:
SpigotLibrary:test: Could not resolve io.papermc.paper:paper-api:1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.
Required by:
project : > io.papermc.paper:paper-server:userdev-1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT
do you have the paper repo added? 🤷♂️
frosty elm
I have an paper repo under pluginManagement do I need another one ?
dapper lotus
that's just for plugins
frosty elm
but in paperweight-test-plugin does not contains any repository
frosty elm
thanks now it works
modern pendant
why is the render distance for the end and nether so small
can anyone answer?
dapper lotus
check your config?
long edge
you've likely set it that way, you can configure per-world view distance in spigot.yml
but, really, it sounds like you aren't super familiar with the config and it's all messed up for you. I'd recommend deleting all of them so they regenerate back to the defaults
long edge
well I mean you can set whatever values you'd like-- I'm not telling you you have to delete them. It's just that you don't really seem to know what you have/haven't changed. Ensure you have read the docs and understand what you're changing before you change it
modern pendant
ok thanks, i deleted my ymls and it helped :D
digital slate
Anyone with "not loading chunks" Issue?
feral spire
What’s your view distance?
Currently the server will send all chunks without speed limit nor care what the client setting is and it will overload client that has slow internet
digital slate
View distance: 9, I use Orebfuscator if that could be the issue?
digital slate
Only for some players. While one can explore for others chunks simply stop. Until relog, solves the issue, temporarily.
Paper does not prevent ESP.
feral spire
It will be even more likely if it’s only for some players
Go back to my original point about network
digital slate
I use a hosting service. Best hardware avaliable. I doubt they have a bad internet for the bold price I pay.
quasi panther
not the server's network, client network
feral spire
^ I was always talking about client
digital slate
All players have 5 bars. If else, I am not aware of it.
quasi panther
individual players may have internet or computers that isn't epic and will be overloaded by several hundred chunks being sent at once
bars are latency only, not bandwidth
proud axle
Found a pretty big deal 1.18 issue, from what I can tell. I'm using a datapack to add some custom worldgen features, most of which works fine, except for custom biomes in the nether, which are not generating at all as of 1.18.
This is strange, specifically because custom biomes are generating in the overworld, and the world generation features in existing nether biomes are generating perfectly fine. Transplanting other region files with said custom biomes is also working, so it Is just a matter of these biomes not generating. Even the double world height of 256 blocks is in fact working fine, just custom biomes not generating, & I've been poking around & haven't seen this reported anywhere.
feral spire
Ping is not a good indicator of network status. It’s just a snapshot
Please test without the plugin and lower view distance
digital slate
Not quite sure. It happens since the 1.18 update, for players, including me, that never had issues.
quasi panther
^ it's only a 1.18 issue
sacred pond
everyone in my server freeze in the new update
feral spire
Please provide more information
frosty elm
Hey can somebody tell me whats the equivalent to PacketPlayInUseEntity in 1.18 ?
proud axle
Found a pretty big deal 1.18 issue, from what I can tell. I'm using a datapack t...
if im just Missing something n someone could let me know i'd appreciate it, otherwise if someone could report this in whatever proper channels to report it in, or lmk where to do so i got a little confused abt that admittedly 🤷♀️
quasi panther
if im just Missing something n someone could let me know i'd appreciate it, othe...
did the datapack work in 1.17?
proud axle
did the datapack work in 1.17?
Yes. I did update it to work for 1.18, and tested to see if it would in a singleplayer world (it did), & i know its not a like, datapack issue Because ive been through it pretty thoroughly & again all the custom generation Features are working, the biomes work when transplanted, & custom biomes in the Overworld are generating on the server. Super weird thing tbh.
(giving all this info bc the 1.18 worldgen stuff changed pretty dramatically, so porting worldgen datapacks from 1.17 to 1.18 isn't exactly possible 1:1 in the first place, but the datapack does in fact work & the predecessor version did work as well)
analog jackal
Ok so i get this error where i get kicked for trying to sleep in a bed what do i do
quasi panther
Ok so i get this error where i get kicked for trying to sleep in a bed what do i...
depends on the error, care to share it?
plain solstice
Wow my discord did lag out to old messages
vapid prawn
Yes. I did update it to work for 1.18, and tested to see if it would in a single...
Did you actually install the datapack in the nether world? They're separate things in Paper
Otherwise file an issue on https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues and provide the datapack along with what you're seeing and expecting
spice trench
Hi, not sure if it's the right place to ask for help, sorry if not. When I open the latest 1.18 jar the window pops up for a moment than closes automatically. Do you guys know a fix for this?
half walrusBOT
spice trench
oh, yeah, that must be the issue, didn't know it required 17, I have 16 dev kit. Thanks 😄
grave charm
Did you actually install the datapack in the nether world? They're separate thin...
datapacks aren't per-world
even though the folder is in the level-name world
grave charm
what's a bug?
datapacks being per world?
is the client even sent those packets relating to datapack stuff when they change dimension? like updating tags, recipes, advancements..
vapid prawn
If not that's a bug too 😛
Unless it's not possible for the server to send those other than on join
grave charm
I don't think its not possible, but its just not done afaik
vapid prawn
CB multiworld is supposed to have the worlds be isolated
The only concession to that is having vanilla portal mechanics still work
grave charm
well datapacks weren't a thing when that change was made yeah?
latent parrot
Don't Datapacks do most of their work on scoreboards ? Seems horrible to implement that on a per world basis
grave charm
what? what's the relation between datapacks and scoreboards
latent parrot
Their functions
vapid prawn
I think they mean with functions and stuff
grave charm
oh you mean the functions people make
latent parrot
I mean the generator settings sure
grave charm
yeah, there would be TONS of datapack incompatibility if they were per-world I think
vapid prawn
It would be annoying to miss out on that stuff but that's why you'd just install that datapack on every world
But going to a new world should be like going to a new server
grave charm
well, that's what you use a proxy for
vapid prawn
In that case you may as well drop the multiworld changes entirely
latent parrot
Aren't scoreboards from the CB time tho ?
Why aren't those world unique too then
Because that rn seems like the worst issue one would have to solve for datapacks on a world basis
placid kestrel
hey, is anyone else having a problem with anti-xray not working?
latent parrot
What exactly isn't working ?
spice trench
Another question, any idea how to fix this? I get this error message when I try to connect to my server.
dapper lotus
reproduce without plugins™
proud axle
Did you actually install the datapack in the nether world? They're separate thin...
I did, though the individual nether generation features were working with it just being in the normal world, too.
Yeah as someone else seemingly explained already whoops
(Like even in 1.17 having a nether generation datapack in world as opposed to the nether folder is what works, but I did check just to be sure, too)
And, again: the worldgen datapack changes DO happen in the nether, like. For instance I have some unique plants using the pack, & they generate Fine in the preset nether biomes, its Just the custom biomes that aren't generating and Only in the nether, not in the overworld (where custom biomes generate fine)
(And those changes in the nether are present with the datapack being in Just the world folder)
Anyways I won't be at my pc for like another day if someone else wants to test & set up the official report, otherwise ill do it when im home lmao
vapid prawn
Aren't scoreboards from the CB time tho ?
Scoreboards are iffy. We also don't do per-world inventories which is a more obvious one. The problem is datapacks do a lot and some of that we'd definitely want to be per-world, like worldgen
Recipes should probably be global, advancements maybe not? Although vanilla advancements require you to cross worlds so... maybe
It should be possible to make terralith only apply to a single world though
Can you do that in Paper?
If not multiworld is pointless and should just be removed
proud axle
If not multiworld is pointless and should just be removed
Agreed already tbh, the only thing I've found useful for it is being able to set unique gamerules, like no nat regeneration in the end, shit like that that should Really be delegated to Plugins anyways
But the worldgen thing im talking abt is def just smthn that broke in papers 1.18 builds, ill detail it again from the top in a report when im home if someone doesn't beat me 2 it
still crane
So I tried updating to 1.18.1 latest build as of last night and I did some world trimming and generating for smoother stuff and my server stopped responding part way through.
quasi panther
So I tried updating to 1.18.1 latest build as of last night and I did some world...
more details please.
what build number is "latest"? (hint: it's in the filename) was there anything in the console? what's your plugin list? what were you doing at the time?
dapper lotus
I mean, if you mean, I fired up a mc server and started running around a world created in an earlier version
we have created a bug report with mojang due to a memory leak
proud axle
i was in fact able to create a bug report, here's the link https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7103 for any of y'all earlier who were confused on anything or wanted a more concise summary.
tropic hawk
How is 1.18 is doing? I still haven’t gotten around to setting my testing server but members are still pestering me.
clear steeple
I believe 1.18(.1) is considered stable by Paper but not forgetting to update every once in a while will keep you good
past panther
How is 1.18 is doing? I still haven’t gotten around to setting my testing server...
I've had a couple of memory leaks on a tiny server, although I haven't bothered to find the cause. It runs fine otherwise.
pulsar dagger
we have created a bug report with mojang due to a memory leak
likely related to this
past panther
Most likely
pulsar dagger
if you're loading an old world
yeah, source was found, been reported to mojang
we have a fix but I'm not sure if it's the best, waiting to see if they say anything
feral spire
New world isn’t affected
past panther
Might I ask what makes the world considered "old"? Because this one was created on the 10th.
pulsar dagger
generated with a version older than 1.18
past panther
Hmm, that's odd then. It was created on 1.18
pulsar dagger
well, there have been a few other leaks reported to mojang/us but they seem to be much more edge cases than the one with upgrading chunks
past panther
I'm sure it's already been reported, I know it has something to do with the loading of chunks as it only happens when people start exploring around.
feral spire
If you can find a method to reliable trigger the leak, do make a report!!
past panther
I would if I had more info, I'm not really the best when it comes to debugging minecraft stuff. Don't want to step on any toes.
feral spire
You don’t need to know the root cause when reporting. Just steps to trigger it
still crane
more details please.
what **build number** is "latest"? _(hint: it's in the file...
git-Paper-71 (MC: 1.18.1)
Plugins: BetterSleeping4, BottledExp, ChestShop, Chunky, CMILib, CoreProtect, DeletedItems, dynmap, Essentials, EssentialsDiscord, EssentialsSpawn, FastChunkPregenerator, GriefPrevention, GriefPreventionDynmap*, InvSort, Jobs, LuckPerms, OpenInv, ProtocolLib, TreeFeller, Vault, Votifier, VotingPlugin, WorldEdit, WorldGuard```latest.log by @still crane: https://paste.gg/5803add0ee024a60afb7cc14d1bdc4c5
feral spire
And a heap dump if possible. That’s it
noble quest
I would if I had more info, I'm not really the best when it comes to debugging m...
Even the method to cause the error with no other data might help, if it's a method that would work to help someone else pull data from the error.
feral spire
```
git-Paper-71 (MC: 1.18.1)
Plugins: BetterSleeping4, BottledExp, ChestShop, C...
Are you pregenerating chunks???
still crane
Those chunks should already exist, but I am just running it again over them in the hope it updates them with the new 1.18.1 bits.
The first time I tried updating, about 90% of the animals around me when I logged in fell out of the world.
still crane
I used chunky the first time and it still happened.
feral spire
Third, pregen with no plugins but chunky
still crane
Nobody but myself is able to get on the server and I wasn't online when it chose to freeze.
violet wing
theres a known leak thats already reported here about that sorta thing https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7094
itll still happen without pregen but not as bad, but it only happens once per chunk so if you restart your server a few times itll prob get better
pulsar dagger
just make sure to stop it before it crashes
violet wing
yeah lmao
pulsar dagger
one thing vanilla server gui is useful for
violet wing
im pretty sure most of the instances of people saying their server randomly crashing from OOM is from that tbh
feral spire
it crashes after 2-5 minutes
feral spire
itll still happen without pregen but not as bad, but it only happens once per ch...
How long will this take
I can test it
violet wing
literally enabled gui just for that issue lol
with pregen i had my server crash with 4gb memory in 1.5 minutes
pulsar dagger
makes you wonder how much world upgrading is tested
violet wing
without, just flying, like 6-8 min
pulsar dagger
you said it not me
violet wing
the pr jmp made definitely seems to have fixed it though
feral spire
I guess I managed to dodge this coz I restart each day to make backups
Never had OOM myself
And I didn’t pregen
pulsar dagger
the issue only happens in 1 minute if you run chunks over an old world
chunky*
otherwise it'll happen much slower
feral spire
I see I see.
pulsar dagger
but will still happen
feral spire
My very wise choice of using a new map without pregenjng is paying off
violet wing
i mean tbh you really shouldnt need to --forceUpgrade or reload existing chunks anyway cause data fixer in paper is so fast
but afaik most people encountering the issue from pregen are intending to expand their worlds
they just run into the stuff on accident
violet wing
wait is there a difference or am i just thinking of the mojang name
i thought it was "data fixer upper"
violet wing
ah ok
pulsar dagger
"rewrite", more like replacement system I guess
peak pulsar
lol
plain solstice
Leaf prefers pain and suffering of his own liking
Now i understand why leaf still hasn't wake up.
vestal ginkgo
im still having issues with this... really strange. i have 3 projects that are set up to use the 1.18 userdev, 2 of which work fine, but this one project is still giving issues. ive nuked caches & invalided caches on intellij (not sure if thats any different) but its still not working. java 17 is selected for my SDK on the project in intellij, my toolchain is j17, and compileJava is set to use j17.
rocky nest
What issues is it giving you?
vestal ginkgo
i cannot compile
rocky nest
with what reason?
vestal ginkgo
paper 1.18 userdev
rocky nest
give us errors, screenshots, idk something to help us help you
vestal ginkgo
i included an error in the message
rocky nest
nvm I didn't see the reply lol
hexed flower
fervent lynx
retiredleaf
tropic hawk
I believe 1.18(.1) is considered stable by Paper but not forgetting to update ev...
So it’s almost stable, how’s the memory leaks with 1.17.1 worlds going?
My plan is regen some unused chucks in the spawn region before trimming the world size and porting it over to 1.18 for the new world generation.
Not sure how I’m gonna do that atm but it’s my plan at the very least
violet wing
So it’s almost stable, how’s the memory leaks with 1.17.1 worlds going?
just watch this issue for when it gets closed https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7094
tropic hawk
Will there be any issues with stuff built above bedrock in 1.18?
long edge
shouldn't be, no. the bedrock will just be replaced with deepslate
unless you forceUpgrade, in which case it will not. But don't do that
tropic hawk
what about in the nether?
plain solstice
My nether did upgrade perfect with all kind of builds on the roof
Some old portals did make a new one when going to overworld and that hasn't been loaded in 1.18 yet but eh that's minor
tropic hawk
Ok. Some people have some very complex (and laggy) farms up there. Kind of wish I didn’t let them up there but very well 
plain solstice
Backups is key ofcourse
plain solstice
And backup the backup and so on lol
Haven't tested that but would think same as 1.17
As i used chunk loading for that in 1.17 and worked
tropic hawk
I mean the “stock chuck loader” I have no clue how that thing works but I’m worried about lag around them
Is it always loaded?
peak pulsar
lol
crude orchid
_looks at <https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7094>_
i dont understand how that is
i have 20 online on latest 1.18.1 paper
no issues here lol
ah cuz i have fresh 1.18.1 world
tropic hawk
whats the best way to perp my world for 1.18? what tools should i use to trim the worldsize and regenerate chunks?
feral spire
MCA selector
vapid prawn
Chunky can trim chunks too
Specify a size and shape and instead of generating you can tell it to trim everything outside of that
feral spire
Oh does it do chunk inhabited time too?
vapid prawn
No?
feral spire
I suggested MCA specially for that so you can trim away the chunks no one “lives” in
vapid prawn
I guess I've never thought to even try something like that, always just wanted to trim off the crazy long exploration lines people went on
feral spire
That one person walks 100k to make a dirt house
vapid prawn
Then again before 1.18 it wouldn't even attempt to blend so you wanted as few borders as possible to manually fix
tropic hawk
I suggested MCA specially for that so you can trim away the chunks no one “lives...
thats my plan, to do it by hand so no houses get trimmed
feral spire
You can look into the program I suggested then
As always make a backup and test the backup first
tropic hawk
i think while im there im gonna pregen a radius of spawn so i have a crust of 1.17 world gen before 1.18 world gen
i plan to backup before and after i do the save editing
feral spire
Stash does get trimmed though
tropic hawk
stash?
feral spire
If a player purposely move to a remote area to store their good and immediately leave
If you go by the inhibit time, it will not present. But that’s on player 
tropic hawk
i will have a copy of the world open so i can check chucks of interest so stuff like that are not nuked
violet wing
Oh does it do chunk inhabited time too?
it would be cool to do this at some point lol
feral spire
I will be waiting 
violet wing
too late for 1.18
feral spire
MCA selector is nice but you gotta get a beefy PC it’s like opening a big project on photoshop kinda load if your map is big
You can do it for The Wild™️ update!!
violet wing
is that what the next one is called lol
feral spire
Yeah
tropic hawk
my world shouldnt be too big so far
vapid prawn
And you have to download the world to your PC, open it in MCA selector, then upload it back to your server
See you next month
dry robin
And you have to download the world to your PC, open it in MCA selector, then upl...
you can do it through sshfs
violet wing
im currently downloading my 1.17 world and its like 80gb lol
1.18 seems stable enough (aside from the upgrade problem)
vapid prawn
you can do it through sshfs
That's the same thing just doing it on demand (and multiple times)
dry robin
make sure to... turn off your server, before screwing with mcaselector through sshfs
long edge
they've also got a fancy cli, so something like java -jar mcaselector.jar --headless --mode delete --world ./world/region --query "InhabitedTime < 5 minutes" will also work
dry robin
ooh
violet wing
EZ
dry robin
TIL about headless mcaselector
I looked for that but concluded it doesn't exist because it's not really documented
feral spire
The dev been hard at work. I really like it
tropic hawk
make sure to... turn off your server, before screwing with mcaselector through s...
dont worry, i will be screwing with a backup
tropic hawk
they've also got a fancy cli, so something like `java -jar mcaselector.jar --hea...
cli? whats that?
violet wing
mcaselector is honestly such a good tool though
long edge
if you're just using a shared host, using chunky will be the easier and better solution
unless you want to download everything to your pc and use the mcaselector gui
tropic hawk
i have the box here in my livingroom
dry robin
can chunky delete a list of chunks? :o
tropic hawk
i think i will be using chunky anyways as i want a radius around spawn of 1.17 world gen. 1.17 world gen is a little more friendly
gonna set it up as such so wont have to go far but it wont be hills and shit all around
dry robin
we're doing this crazy scheme where we do manual resets upon request, owners of towns get to choose the shape of where new chunks generate
tropic hawk
im thinking of doing that cause this seed has been well. unkind
violet wing
1.18 terrain is honestly super hilly
tropic hawk
too hilly for me. i have yet to see anything generated in 1.18 thats flat
dry robin
I like that 1.18 kinda provides a balance
there are areas of 1.18 terrain that look like they could have come out of 1.7->1.17
vapid prawn
old terrain gen was nothing but flat
Now we're back to beta 1.7 style but with the biomes and such like newer versions
And the increased height and the new caves and etc
dry robin
mojang's advice is "if you don't like the terrain you see, go somewhere a few thousand blocks away" and I kinda agree
vapid prawn
dry robin
although... that advice is what they gave the community when they surprised us with beta 1.8 huge oceans all the way back in 2011
but I like huge oceans so
tropic hawk
we have a huge desert to the north, MASSIVE sprose forest to the South and a rather big body of water on the east and west.
crude iris
I've found what definitely seems to be a bug but it persists in pure vanilla. Furnaces eat up your fuel credit when they aren't smelting anything. Put in a piece of coal and a cobblestone, and once the cobblestone is smelted the flames in the interface that indicate fuel level credit go down to nothing. So lava is worthless as fuel unless you use it all at once.
This isn't a paper bug, but paper patches this sort of thing, right? Where should I report it?
tropic hawk
so like 3(4 if you count the ocean) bioms before going 1000 blocks out
vapid prawn
I've found what definitely seems to be a bug but it persists in pure vanilla. F...
This is MC behavior since literally when furnaces were added to the game?
crude iris
hmm, maybe I'm crazy then. Swear I didn't notice it before
tropic hawk
wait what?
do you mean it runs out or just goes away?
it has always used up the flame whether or not something is smelting
crude iris
Yeah I'm crazy, never noticed that. But never used lava much as a fuel source before. Thought I remembered being able to put a bucket of lava in to smelt a couple things and then use up the rest later. Guess not
Only actual bug I've noticed then is the bugged out lectern hitbox bug that is already reported and confirmed
dry robin
I don't remember it cancelling the furnace flame
the flame keeps going until the timeout
tropic hawk
you can put a bucket of lava in a furnace and it will last for a number of ticks
keen minnow
hey, is 1.18.1 paper still experimental
tropic hawk
i think it still is
long edge
the only main issue remaining is upgrading old worlds will cause the server to run out of memory
keen minnow
oh thats it?
vague falcon
server: "I forgor 💀"
vapid prawn
Pretty much all of the tuinity patches haven't been updated yet either, right?
long edge
but that's a vanilla issue as well, only main paper issue you'll run into is https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7043
keen minnow
Im resetting my world so wont be an issue for me
dry robin
the only main issue remaining is upgrading old worlds will cause the server to r...
leak, or just super high usage?
tropic hawk
leak, it causes a crash
vague falcon
both?
vapid prawn
It's a cache that holds on to the region and seems to never get invalidated so...
feral spire
I mean a leak will eventually be super high usage 
feral spire
You use paper yes
keen minnow
yes
long edge
Pretty much all of the tuinity patches haven't been updated yet either, right?
most have, a couple big ones haven't
keen minnow
did tuinity merge into paper
vague falcon
ye
long edge
yes
keen minnow
oh I see
tropic hawk
tick view distance not updated 😦 i loved that thing