❗-1-18-experimental

[hidden cargo]

they still spawned

[peak pulsar]

thanks!

[prime oak]

@pulsar dagger I verified the problem. They had the wrong blocks underneath the spawner which stopped it from spawning. Disregard. Thank you for prompt repsonses.

[pulsar dagger]

glad you worked it out

[peak pulsar]

:c

f

PaperMC

[feral spire]

Do you need help?

[timid wolf]

question, is 1.18 dev missing performance enhancing features?

[harsh lance]

Yes

[timid wolf]

ok good was making sure

I'm on weaker hardware but it wasn't this bad in 1.17 stable

tps drops to close to like 15-16 sometimes

[clear fox]

could anyone tell me why Bukkit Scheduler is a bit high? https://timings.aikar.co/?id=d3b9dbcd9c3f4886b3ef82ca1a093a77

[feral spire]

requested by plugin etc

plugin schedules task to be done

[crude orchid]

is in my client logs

how do i know if it infected my computer

this is so stupid man

[topaz nymph]

Plz delete that message

#paper-help as well

[covert jolt]

it doesn't have an affect on your computer

[half walrus]

All the info we can provide is pinned in the #paper-help channel

[feral spire]

ban the person btw. @crude orchid

[crude orchid]

are you guys positive my computers fine

i have my life savings in meta mask

[topaz nymph]

But can u please delete this?

[crude orchid]

this is realllly bad

[topaz nymph]

Thanks

[crude orchid]

listen pls i need the experts

i added the new patch

from paper

and velocity

around 7 hours ago

this client log is from 2 hours ago

is my server fine, and is my computer fine

anyone know

[feral spire]

yes

[topaz nymph]

You are most likely fine unless you are using super super old java versions.

[crude orchid]

my pc runs java 8

server runs java 16

[topaz nymph]

You should be fine.

[feral spire]

calm down lunar I will hug you if you neeed it but you will be fineeee

[topaz nymph]

🫂

[crude orchid]

dmd u what was on my pc logs eternity

pls

[topaz nymph]

It’s okay, you’re probably fine!!

[strange umbra]

Im not big or important enough to get targeted.

[polar quarry]

this is an extremely important message. all kids thinking they're important should realize this. nobody is going "hack" their cousin's server.

[strange umbra]

Lmao

[uncut radish]

hey

[polar quarry]

na verdade não. atualizar para consertar

[cobalt talon]

Não é só de derrubar, ele abrange muitas coisas que podem ser feitas

Talvez em

C pa da

[rocky nest]

english

[snow hare]

Hey i want one too :3

[polar quarry]

o rce não é facilmente possível. funciona apenas em java antigo (java 1.8 -). o erro é principalmente spam de console

[cobalt talon]

Eu uso 1.8 e nao att o paper

F

[vague falcon]

time to upgrade to 1.18 i guess!

[peak pulsar]

why was the lunar guy freaking out?

[vague falcon]

anime pfp probably

[peak pulsar]

lol

[vague falcon]

oh whoops

[peak pulsar]

mines is smoking weed it's not the same so don't worry 👌

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @hot zenith: https://paste.gg/ce295f29b8894b81b4c1528c41fc07e6

[hot zenith]

Getting this error in my server

[polar quarry]

what version are you running? i think that error was in early 1.18 builds

[hot zenith]

1.18

[polar quarry]

which paper build/commit?*

[hot zenith]

Latest (#66)

[desert palm]

bruh

seriously

to hack anyone

[quasi panther]

are you able to cause that? or just it just happen sometimes?

[crude orchid]

38djhwu2.e29jd2.2jd2.jkwdh.wdjiwd.dwj.w.w.w.org.net is this a valid url? Can anyone point out how or if this url could be valid? If it's not valid, I'm fine.?

dont actually go to it if you dont know whats up

[polar quarry]

just dig if it resolves to anything

[peak pulsar]

yes its a valid url

38djhwu2.e29jd2.2jd2.jkwdh.wdjiwd.dwj.w.w.w.org.net. 600 IN A 34.206.39.153

[amber mica]

don't post that here, lol

[vapid prawn]

Can you stop?

[crude orchid]

it is valid????

[vapid prawn]

Yep

[amber mica]

its valid, but tbh it seems a bit fishy, depending on where you got that from I would be cautious

[crude orchid]

yeah someone ran the exploit

on my server

using that url

and im trying to get to the bottom of

if my pc is infected

or my server

[vapid prawn]

Looks like the kind of domain you'd generate for an exploit

It's an AWS IP address

[polar quarry]

its most likely some script kiddo trying to get your ip. i doubt you have malware in your computer now...

[peak pulsar]

i just went to the domain (through tor) and it looks like its just a 404 page

it redirects to org.net

[vague falcon]

aws is pretty serious about this kinda shit feel free to report the site lol. someone ddos'd my friend from an aws box, she reported it, they get prison 😄

[topaz nymph]

Holy cow

[errant locust]

can windows virus and threat protection quick scan detect if your computer is infected

[hard flicker]

I would use malwarebytes

[errant locust]

is it free

[hard flicker]

Yes

[errant locust]

hm ok

[hard flicker]

It’s generally the recommended AV for anyone tech savvy

[plain solstice]

this has nothing to do with paper use #general

[green goblet]

when did this happen?

[crude orchid]

about 3 hours ago now

[plush ore]

Anyone having issues with players falling through the map upon joining? It's not ping related either.

[dapper lotus]

welcome to modern minecraft

[plush ore]

It's only two players but still aggravating...

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-18-1-pre-release-1

Fixed an issue that would cause players on low-bandwidth connections to get timeout errors when connecting to a server

Could be it but I know one of them has insane internet.

[dapper lotus]

I made the change they did for that years ago

[dark wigeon]

normal behavior from the one and only lunar

[vague falcon]

one less patch?

[kindred ether]

Couldn't you edit the timeout session in server.properties or smth?
I read that somewhere a few years ago lol

[half walrus]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/895#issuecomment-372175216

[plush ore]

Yeah I can, I'll do that tomorrow if the issue still persists.

I had a keepalive timeout issue a couple months ago and messed with it a much

[kindred ether]

yeah. thankfully reading random stuff on the internet can help others lol

[flat pawn]

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=a1432604701d4a7e836255086e4b431a

having problems losing tps

[polar quarry]

try using aikar's flags

[flat pawn]

arkars flag ?

[polar quarry]

yes, java vm flags which aikar tuned for increased performance in minecraft servers

[half walrus]

https://startmc.sh/

[lapis parrot]

[vapid prawn]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-18-1-release-candidate-1?3

[plain solstice]

nice

[amber mica]

impressive, considering its 5am in stockholm

[flat pawn]

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=4b693e0c14644b27a36a1386eb7c6ae3

fixed the java stuff and it did not help

[dapper lotus]

timingcost: 7855

overloaded CPU/jvm

[flat pawn]

so what do i need to fix it

[plain solstice]

better hardware ?

[flat pawn]

we have 3900x

runing 6 cores 12 threads for just mc

[polar quarry]

that improved significantly compared to your previous timings lol

[strange compass]

Even my Intel Pentium CPU can run faster

[polar quarry]

your only choice is to tune down the settings a bit, since your server seems to be unable to keep up

[flat pawn]

it is on 10 for render

[polar quarry]

i didnt check your settings in the timings but run through eternity's paper optimization guide

-> https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/

[polar quarry]

well, 10 is too much for your particular server!

[flat pawn]

what you want it at 0

[polar quarry]

ok

[amber mica]

less than 2 is impossible, but 4-6 might be a good value. but tbh with timingscost that high something is generally wrong

[shut kiln]

that's neat

[crude orchid]

exploit had me spooked baby girl

dont want to lose my efferiums

[flat pawn]

what are you running @polar quarry

for servers

[neon shard]

Is the build stable enough to run a ~30 player server yet? (Not asking for eta)

[amber mica]

if you do regular backups it should be fine, just know that some performance optimisations are still missing so depending on your hardware it might be a bit laggy

[neon shard]

That should be fine

[peak pulsar]

so 1.18 paper is pretty much stable now?

[feral spire]

what makes you think that?

[vapid prawn]

Anything is stable if you take regular backups and are prepared to roll back to them

[peak pulsar]

misspelt so is*

[peak pulsar]

alright :)

[neon shard]

Backups every 6hours should be fine right?

[vapid prawn]

If your users are okay with potentially losing days of play when you have to roll back then you can probably try it now 😄

[neon shard]

Yeah I am going to make that point clear in the poll lol

[vapid prawn]

Put it on a test server first to make sure all your plugins and such work and nothing with your server setup is obviously broken

[next owl]

#66 is not booting for me

[serene temple]

is updating with about 75 players still a no go?

[next owl]

im outside so i can only use phone ssh

[vapid prawn]

It seems to have died with a message you cut off at the top there and then is just in a reboot loop with some script/wrapper thing you're using

[next owl]

no it was stuck on loading lib

so i pressed ctrl c

[vapid prawn]

Oh, are those reboots you pressing ctrl-c when you get impatient?

[next owl]

yes

[vapid prawn]

Yeah that shit takes forever

[next owl]

oh leme just leave it then

[vapid prawn]

It's not actually loading anything, that's log4j2 scanning your entire classpath looking for anything that might be an appender

[next owl]

oh kk

thanks

leme just screen out of it

[vapid prawn]

Depending on HDD vs SSD and CPU that can take a couple seconds or 20-30 seconds

I think it might cache the scan results but then log4j2 just got updated so if so that cache is probably invalidated

[next owl]

lol it crashed the vps

98% ram usage lol i only have 7g of 8

[sturdy mason]

has been patched no-tick-view?

[peak pulsar]

Not yet

[gilded bison]

Someone showed me yesterday how he could duplicate items from someone else's inventory LOL, I guess that's part of the exploit
Updating RN

[vapid prawn]

That's not a part of it

[polar quarry]

unlikely

[vapid prawn]

That's probably a plugin

Technically the exploit could let them do anything on your computer so I guess they could have used it to do that but I doubt it 😛

[rocky nest]

Still doubtful though, since the exploit wasn't widely known yesterday

[gilded bison]

The guy coded it himself so will ask how he did it, I run an anarchy server so minimal plugins

But damn that's hectic, any more info on how it works?

[rocky nest]

On the exploit? What's pinned in #paper-help is about all that will be said

[gilded bison]

The timing was just interesting for me because it was last night

[vapid prawn]

log4j2 did a stupid

[acoustic burrow]

[next owl]

./run.sh: line 15: 1750 Killed java -Xmx7G -Xms7G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200 -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:G1NewSizePercent=30 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=40 -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=8M -XX:G1ReservePercent=20 -XX:G1HeapWastePercent=5 -XX:G1MixedGCCountTarget=4 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=15 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=90 -XX:G1RSetUpdatingPauseTimePercent=5 -XX:SurvivorRatio=32 -XX:+PerfDisableSharedMem -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -Daikars.new.flags=true -Dusing.aikars.flags=https://mcflags.emc.gs -jar paper.jar

hmm why this happend

[vapid prawn]

Usually means you ran out of RAM

[next owl]

oh what why how

[vapid prawn]

OOM killer, the OS killed you

Not MC used too much, the JVM used too much

[next owl]

oh

[vapid prawn]

Does your server only have 8GB RAM?

[next owl]

yes

[vapid prawn]

I think 7 for the JVM is a bit too much then

[next owl]

i gave

7g for mc

[vapid prawn]

The JVM itself has some memory overhead to manage that and the OS needs some RAM too

[next owl]

ok

so i change Xmx7G to 6.5G?

[vapid prawn]

6G or 6500M is probably as high as you can do for Xmx, yeah

[next owl]

ok

6500

or 6.5

[vapid prawn]

Either way

[next owl]

finaly i fixed it i had to limit to 4g

turn it on

let it cache

then change back to 6.5G

[still sun]

guys is paper 1.18 safe for server use now?

[timber ridge]

The most recent build has the exploit patched, but it's still an experimental build.

[river cosmos]

Experimental test builds for 1.18. Use with extreme caution! Backups are mandatory.

[timber ridge]

You can use it, but best to take backups and proceed with caution.

[next sage]

where can i find this

[timber ridge]

Find what?

[floral blade]

Massive red banner on the download page

[timber ridge]

That warning is on the website.

[floral blade]

Pretty hard to miss

[river cosmos]

On the download page of Paper in a huge red box in which is warned that it is so far only experimental builds.

[next sage]

😦

and why a lot of servers 1.8 stop?

[next sage]

if they are not be dangerous

[vapid prawn]

1.8 client and server are vulnerable

And not fixed yet

[dark wigeon]

and should be left that way

[vapid prawn]

Paper won't fix them, Spigot did, Mojang might (client only)

[river cosmos]

This seems to be the case, but the developers of Paper will probably not mark the current versions as experimental without reason. Anyone who uses them for productive use runs the risk of possibly losing everything again.

[half walrus]

All the info we can provide is pinned in the #paper-help channel

[still sun]

oke ty 🙂 but does someone know when will we get stable version?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[next owl]

even if not everything ther is still crashes and mem overloads

[errant canopy]

am i safe of the Java Naming and Directory Interface / Lightweight Directory Access Protocol exploit when i use papermc #66 and have the java starting parameter set to java -Xms256M -Xmx[RAM]M -Dlog4j2.formatMsgNoLookups=true -jar Spigot.jar -nojline

[graceful ledge]

Thats exactly the same question what I was going to ask

[vapid prawn]

Yes, either one of those changes would have fixed it on their own

[graceful ledge]

So If I just updated paper / waterfall, is fine without any extra flag?

sorry for asking twice, just to make sure

[next sage]

Is it true that this exploit can hack users' PCs?

[vapid prawn]

Yes and yes

The flag works on 1.16.5+ versions but those all have updated Paper builds that fix the bug without needing the flag (and in fact the changes log4j 2.15 made removed that flag anyway)

So long as you're using the builds mentioned in #announcements you're good

[acoustic burrow]

So using the latest paper build should be fine, and no need to worry about the bug? From a Minecraft server perspective

[vapid prawn]

Yeah

[acoustic burrow]

Oo

[nova oar]

other than if your users are running older versions can they still be hacked by other players?

[vapid prawn]

The client is also vulnerable, Mojang put out a fix in the vanilla launcher for 1.12+, MultiMC apparently put out their own fix for every vulnerable version but I haven't confirmed that and the fix as described to me has a very small chance of breaking something on the older stuff

fabric-loader or whatever has a fix, check fabric discord for details

If you use anything else check with the relevant mod/launcher devs

[obtuse bough]

how would i be able to check what version of paper i am currently using?

[grave charm]

/ver

Run ^ command

[obtuse bough]

On version #65 4e355c4, is this good enough to stop the current exploit at hand or should i update to #66 dce79f3

[dense river]

update

[vapid prawn]

The first fix was only partial

afaik it stopped the worst parts of it but no reason to risk it

[next owl]

why is jvm using more ram in #66

than #59

[pulsar dagger]

it's not

[next owl]

fr

[pulsar dagger]

are you setting Xmx and Xms

[next owl]

me i could allocate 7G

[next owl]

yes

[pulsar dagger]

nothing changed regarding memory usage in those builds

[next owl]

now i can only allocate 6.5G

if u put 7G it doesnt boot

[pulsar dagger]

nothing significant*

are you using pterodactyl

[next owl]

no

[pulsar dagger]

well, something else must have changed

because again, nothing thing would cause a noticeable change in memory usage happened in those builds

[icy iron]

is there any known bug in 1.18?

[pulsar dagger]

yes

[next owl]

many

i mean not significiant

but there is some

[icy iron]

umm.. does it affect players a lot?

[dense river]

There is a reason why this channel exists and we haven't declared 1.18 stable yet

[icy iron]

hmm

than i should use it only for dev purpose

[next owl]

testing too

if you realy want to use it for production take atleast 1-2 backup a day

[vapid prawn]

If you're taking regular backups, testing stuff before you deploy it, and your community is okay with losing up to days of progress due to bugs that cause you to roll back then you can use whatever version you want 😛

...so long as it's 1.16.5+ 😉

[icy iron]

oky ty

[amber roost]

Do we know what mojang fix was? as it doesnt seem to pull and use the latest log4j

also correct yea MultiMC seems to pull and use latest patched log4j version

[pulsar dagger]

they updated the client config

[vapid prawn]

Mojang fix was log4j2.xml

[pulsar dagger]

in the rc they set the system property on init

[amber roost]

ahh ok

[amber roost]

What would be the best way to verify for players that this change has happened, as i've got a few asking how do they check

[vapid prawn]

No idea

[pulsar dagger]

close the game and launcher, reopen and start with an internet connection

this will work for vanilla instances 1.17+

that's the advice given by slicedlime

https://twitter.com/slicedlime/status/1469150993527017483 see this thread

slicedlime (@slicedlime)

A critical security issue has been found that affects Minecraft. If you have the game running, please shut down all running instances of the game and Launcher and restart - your Launcher will automatically download the fix.

Retweets

1363

Likes

3797

Twitter · Dec 10, 2021, 3:44 AM

[amber roost]

Thanks yea im aware of his tweets 🙂

[arctic oracle]

he also released it in video form
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RWHaGEW9LA

[pulsar dagger]

actually checking will be annoying since the client stores assets in obscure deeply nested directories

since normally the launcher accesses it not a person

[amber roost]

yea

[humble mason]

is 1.18 paper stable

[stark pagoda]

theres a reason this channel exists

[arctic oracle]

read the channel name and ask again

[humble mason]

like at least pretty stable

ik its experimental

but like how stable is it

[stark pagoda]

many people are already using it

[arctic oracle]

seeing as there was a mission critical bug fixed in vanilla all the way back to 1.8 and beyond.... is anything stable enough?

[stark pagoda]

just do backups every once in a while

[humble mason]

ok so its pretty safe to use it

[stark pagoda]

& expect bugs

[brisk canopy]

hey, vsauce; michael here. what is stable?

[humble mason]

ok cuz i need to update to new version

also what is forceUpgrade

[quiet delta]

will updating from 1.18 to 1.18.1 be as normal as update between builds? or should I wait for 1.18.1 before making a server if I want to get to 1.18.1 builds?

[arctic oracle]

if you have to ask that question, these builds may be too early for you

[arctic oracle]

just drop in replace, however clients must be using the same version

[stark pagoda]

check pins

[humble mason]

umm

what

[stark pagoda]

tldr not recommended to use forceUpgrade

[humble mason]

yes but what is it

why even mention it

thought would not cross my mind

[arctic oracle]

not important anymore broken legacy code

but was absolutely critical in a preveious major version bump

[hybrid timber]

Does anyone have a fallback plugin for Iridium Skyblock? Or how do I solve this null error? 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO Slash4SIX issued server command: /island 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] ERROR null 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO org.bukkit.command.CommandException: Cannot execute command 'island' in plugin IridiumSkyblock v3.2.2 - plugin is disabled. 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at org.bukkit.command.PluginCommand.execute(PluginCommand.java:37) ~[paper-api-1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at org.bukkit.command.SimpleCommandMap.dispatch(SimpleCommandMap.java:159) ~[paper-api-1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_18_R1.CraftServer.dispatchCommand(CraftServer.java:876) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-66] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.server.network.ServerGamePacketListenerImpl.handleCommand(ServerGamePacketListenerImpl.java:2267) ~[?:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.server.network.ServerGamePacketListenerImpl.handleChat(ServerGamePacketListenerImpl.java:2078) ~[?:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.server.network.ServerGamePacketListenerImpl.handleChat(ServerGamePacketListenerImpl.java:2059) ~[?:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.network.protocol.game.ServerboundChatPacket.handle(ServerboundChatPacket.java:46) ~[?:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.network.protocol.game.ServerboundChatPacket.a(ServerboundChatPacket.java:6) ~[?:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.network.protocol.PacketUtils.lambda$ensureRunningOnSameThread$1(PacketUtils.java:56) ~[?:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.server.TickTask.run(TickTask.java:18) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-66] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.util.thread.BlockableEventLoop.doRunTask(BlockableEventLoop.java:149) ~[?:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.util.thread.ReentrantBlockableEventLoop.doRunTask(ReentrantBlockableEventLoop.java:23) ~[?:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.doRunTask(MinecraftServer.java:1413) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-66] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.c(MinecraftServer.java:189) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-66] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.util.thread.BlockableEventLoop.pollTask(BlockableEventLoop.java:122) ~[?:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.pollTaskInternal(MinecraftServer.java:1391) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-66] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.pollTask(MinecraftServer.java:1384) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-66] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.util.thread.BlockableEventLoop.managedBlock(BlockableEventLoop.java:132) ~[?:?] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.waitUntilNextTick(MinecraftServer.java:1362) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-66] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.runServer(MinecraftServer.java:1268) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-66] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.lambda$spin$0(MinecraftServer.java:317) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-66] 10.12 09:38:06 [Server] INFO at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:833) ~[?:?]

[autumn comet]

Report it to its author and wait for an update

[crude vault]

1.18.1 released

All new experimental builds will be for this version, right?

[hybrid timber]

It's solved.

[vapid prawn]

They use a new enough log4j2 they can just use that flag there

Or change the log4j2.xml

The 2.15 release came out hours ago and has more than just the exploit fix in it

They'd probably end up delaying 1.18.1 if they updated to it

[viscid lily]

Hi, simulated view distance is vanilla new feature or paper feature?

[vapid prawn]

https://is.paper.sexy/ViewDistance.png?1

Bedrock apparently had the feature first, dunno if the Paper version was inspired by that at all or not but now it's in vanilla java too

It's not simulated view distance, it's how far out to run the game simulation

[crude vault]

Considering it's been part of bedrock for several years, I thought distance simulation would come to Java someday actually, so it makes sense to be at 1.18

[frozen spear]

this is honestly one of the best changes of the update

[viscid lily]

In 1.17 I had non tick view distance set to 10 and view distance to 3 So now simulated i will set to 3 and normal view distance to 10 right?

[frozen spear]

I can finally put something above 10 view distance

[viscid lily]

So now simulated view distance feature is better (more optimized) than previously non tick view distance by paper??

[vapid prawn]

Right, and make sure you don't have a view-distance set in your spigot.yml

[vapid prawn]

Leaf says the vanilla one is less optimized than his

But he hasn't replaced it yet so maybe it's not as bad as he thought

[stray flame]

what should i be most worried about using experimental builds

[strange lagoon]

not having backups

[stray flame]

so using an experimental build with a couple of friends should be fine

[viscid lily]

Yes

[fossil hound]

Is there a Performance hit when enabling the legacy material system? Bc I know enough about Plugins to know that the plugin forcing this doesn't need the material support, I could just manually add a API-version, but should I bother?

[proven crest]

I have found more information about the memory leak when upgrading a 1.17.1 world with chunky by analysing the heapdump:

-leak is load of net.minecraft.world.level.chunk.ProtoChunk

I tp'ed into many of them in the heap dump and EACH of them where underlava caves in windswept_hills

does that speak to someone?

[opaque crescent]

Sorry if this question has been asked a lot, but is there any date prediction for when the stable 1.18-version is out?

[rare orchid]

now where's 1.18.1 paper???? i wanna move to the cylinder fogs!

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[vapid prawn]

#❗-1-18

Oh wait, I think I already did this once

[rare orchid]

jokes aside
mojang.... seriously bruhh

[topaz nymph]

Little things happen

[earnest birch]

1.18 is fogged, 1.8 is fucked. 🤣

[open olive]

The vanilla simulated chunks does nothing and does nothing for my fps.

Leafs patch on no tick view is like a god send.

[pulsar dagger]

true

@sudden bison

[sudden bison]

what degeneracy is pinging me

[open olive]

A blue person did

[pulsar dagger]

leaf secretly likes it when I ping him

[open olive]

Mean at least we know he’s awake.

[pulsar dagger]

he should be asleep

so should I

[sudden bison]

@pulsar dagger

@pulsar dagger

@pulsar dagger

@pulsar dagger

@pulsar dagger

@pulsar dagger

@pulsar dagger

@pulsar dagger

[pulsar dagger]

[open olive]

Lmao

Leaf what are you even up to now?

[earnest birch]

Wtf. Stop spamming.

[sudden bison]

mods can't ban me

[real quarry]

.

[open olive]

Leaf has 128 lives.

[robust nymph]

what should sim distance be set to for 10 render distance?

[open olive]

10 I think is default no?

[stark pagoda]

what if they do

[open olive]

I’m just waiting for the good sim distance patch from leaf

[feral spire]

@sudden bison stop spamming and do patch

[rocky lagoon]

so 1.18 stable build is out now?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[robust nymph]

if your running a smp server with a few friends you probs wont run into any problems

[crisp lodge]

when released 1.18.1 patch? Somebody knows? It's already the end of the week.

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[stark pagoda]

oop

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[autumn comet]

Can we not spam this command here

[final mango]

wrong again.

This exploit can and will eventually get you added to botnets if you don't patch it, even if you're using a whitelist.

There is simply no way around patching.

[dense river]

That comment was about 1.18 stability Kevin

[robust nymph]

not the exploit lmao

[next owl]

lol

wrong chanel

btw POG my server didnt crash today

[dapper mason]

POG

[true dust]

If you mean by Mojang, it is already out.
If you mean Paper, all the ETA messages are your friend

[midnight cloud]

Currently, Mojang has been corrected until 13w37b

[next owl]

no there is kinda eta for dis "After Spigot has updated, we will follow soon after."

[true dust]

Even so, unless you have a concrete info on when Spigot will be updated, the ETA messages still stand. (:

[next owl]

(:

[crude flint]

Is it possible that today's build is for 1.18.1?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[gilded ice]

Please be patient!

[autumn comet]

See #❗-1-18

[crude flint]

is it 1.18.1 core?

[shell sphinx]

no

[gilded ice]

This is almost free work.

[inner crypt]

It will allow 1.18.1 clients to join tho @crude flint

[empty arrow]

paper is not stable yet right

1.18

[rare orchid]

mojang: *releases a new version*
papermc discord:

[empty arrow]

lol

[brisk canopy]

if you go to the site, on downloads page and look at the top-

[topaz nymph]

Not everyone reads

[brisk canopy]

yea I noticed

[empty arrow]

yes

[topaz nymph]

Annoyingly

[empty arrow]

but is it that bad

i read that

[brisk canopy]

not really, it's playable

[empty arrow]

is it that severly unstable or not

[brisk canopy]

just do backups and be prepared for unforeseen consequences

[empty arrow]

thats all i was asking

[topaz nymph]

Yes do backups

[shrewd totem]

It's more a case of, no one knows if there's an issue that might come back to bite you in the ass

[topaz nymph]

It isn’t terrible

But the more testing the better!

[empty arrow]

ih

[topaz nymph]

Just make sure to submit any issues you run into.

[shrewd totem]

But for us it has so far been running stable, we still do daily backups tho.

[empty arrow]

oh i see

[shut flax]

Half-Life ❤️

[next owl]

POG my server reached 200 members in 14 days

[burnt oracle]

damn

meanwhile me with 3 and a whitelist so nobody else can join

[ancient sage]

Discord really needs a sticky message feature so User get the no eta message right into the face.

[burnt oracle]

people need to just learn to read before asking questions that 100% have already been answered

[ancient sage]

True. But sadly they won't in a 1000 years

[burnt oracle]

very true, humans are just

[brisk canopy]

someone got it

[next owl]

wait what how waa

how did u send emoji frm another server

without nitro

[brisk canopy]

twitch subs are a thing !

[fervent sentinel]

Hey, trying out 1.18 currently to see which plugins I need to update and replace and I get heavily spammed in console by a paper error itself, as far as I understand it is related to a jigsaw structure piece, is there any way to fix this on my end like a config change or such? This is the error https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/qodonozegi.lua

[next owl]

oh i forgor

[brisk canopy]

[normal pecan]

hehe flower

[fervent sentinel]

?D:

[manic widget]

"{type:"minecraft:plain_flower_provider"}"

ive noticed this spamming since 1.17

[crisp lodge]

I updated the server to 1.18 and 8GB of RAM ended in half an hour. What to do? This is fine?

[next owl]

it happned to me at start

then i lowered render and sim

then added aikar flags

then the crashes stoped

[brisk canopy]

do you maybe use chunky to pre-generate terrain, cause I remember it causing memory leak

[fervent sentinel]

I mean it also seems to output this error with 'oak_leaves', but is there any way to fix this on my end or do I need to wait for an update provided by paper?D:

[crisp lodge]

I just installed chunky but haven't run it yet.

[next owl]

chunky also throws out the paper.destroytokyo

[brisk canopy]

probably not it then; try orange's suggestions (aikar flags are actually must-have), see if that helps

[manic widget]

im not sure, im not a dev, i've just dealt with it since 1.17, havent seen issues that im aware of

i notice its when new chunks are loaded it seems

[toxic inlet]

i have a question how stable is the current version of paper 1.18

[brisk canopy]

woah there really needs to be slesh how stable

[wide birch]

I would say it’s ok to play on but backup your server just in case

[toxic inlet]

Ok thx

[wide birch]

If you do decide to update to 1.18 check for new releases each day

[toxic inlet]

ok ik

[stark pagoda]

if someone cares kenny is live again

[dense river]

see #announcements , update everything, not the right channel

[peak pulsar]

Ayyy 1.18.1 spigot released

[dense river]

#❗-1-18

[peak pulsar]

ye I know. What about it?

(I'm aware 1.18.1 clients can join 1.18 servers)

Is it expected that none of the older fishing plugins work? Did something change ?

[sharp wind]

Does anyone have optimized confic? 1.18

[half walrus]

https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/

[tawny flame]

Hi, I have a problem with the new version. I created a server with my old pc (Ubuntu, I use it via SSH) and it works, but from my pc it doesn't see the server, I tried adding the ufw of the port but it doesn't work, how could I solve?

[neon shard]

1.18.1 test builds right?

[tawny flame]

wait wt

[feral spire]

is the same PC? or differnet machine?

[tawny flame]

they upload the new version now

...

[feral spire]

you will need to connect via your subnet IP address

[tawny flame]

I had paper 1.18, 1.18.1 is out now

[feral spire]

it is ok

[tawny flame]

I unload it and see if it works

[feral spire]

people can still join

[past plover]

So 1.18 is considered "stable" cuz 1.18.1 is out, or?

[feral spire]

is the warning still there? yes? so no.

[past plover]

Cache 😔

Haven't gone back since 1.17.1

[gilded ice]

Test view distance 1.18.1

[tawny flame]

Still nothing, says "Connection Refused: no further information"

[exotic magnet]

Wait so the checklist updates by itself?

[neat ingot]

When i join my 1.18 server

the chunks load like really slow

does anyone know why is that?

[feral spire]

recreate without plugin and if it's still happening, reduce view distance/simulation distance

[toxic inlet]

is the performance optimisation in paper 1.18 as good as in 1.17.1

[feral spire]

not all patch are in yet so nope

[toxic inlet]

ok so the lags could be from paper

[feral spire]

it will be worse if you run vanilla

[sick jolt]

So is 1.18 paper fully released

[feral spire]

if you have lag issue, you can post your timings for help here @toxic inlet

[toxic inlet]

what do you mean with timings

[maiden surge]

https://i.phoenix616.dev/gmHAkbWR.png

[feral spire]

when running the server as admin, type /timings report and post link here

[tawny flame]

I downloaded 1.18.1 but the server still can't see me, I try to enter via localhost: 25565 but nothing, it tells me" Connection Refused: no further information "

[toxic inlet]

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=5809859e4b1c472b8129800c29ee7c1f ok here is the link as soon as i start to move it drops the tps

[feral spire]

I asked you if your server is hosted on same machine you never replied @tawny flame

[obtuse magnet]

This is aternos bruh

[tawny flame]

oh lmao, it's on an old pc with ubuntu, it's connected by cable

[obtuse magnet]

aternos is notorious for horrible performance

[feral spire]

you cannot connect via localhost, you need the subnet IP

[toxic inlet]

ik whats the problem never had really performance isuse

[peak pulsar]

loclhost means "this computer" ya, you need the other computers IP

[feral spire]

weak hardware. There may be no hope for you to optimize this

[half walrus]

https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/

[feral spire]

follow this guide but idk how much aternos allow you to change

[toxic inlet]

1.17.1 did run with like 19-20 tps

[feral spire]

1.18 is heavier

chunk is twice as large

that means more work needed to be done in same amount of view distance

[tawny flame]

once it worked lmao, however I also have that of the pc and the connection to see if he saw one of these but nothing

[peak pulsar]

the official loader now allocates 3GB for Java in 1.18. Up from 2GB in 1.17. Servers should do the same :/

[feral spire]

I highly doubt you ever login via localhost as that's litearlly impossible for that to work but ok.

coz the server is literally not on the same machine

localhost = 127.0.0.1 and that means it's the machine you are on

[tawny flame]

to see the ip of the pc is curl ifconfig.me? because it seems strange to me too the ip that it gives

[feral spire]

look into router

[tawny flame]

idk maybe I'm getting confused

[feral spire]

see the deviced connected

find the device and the IP it is assigned

[tawny flame]

I mean the other, maybe I'm getting confused, I know the router one, I mean the other

ok nvm i am stupid, i think i will fall into depression

[real sorrel]

Am I download wrong? the paper jar of 1.18.1 version still show as 1.18

[stark pagoda]

ctrl + f5

[inland hornet]

do we still need the exploit fix on the new 1.18.1 ?

[merry scaffold]

Paper already has a fix in it.

[idle light]

nah it's patched now

[inland hornet]

kk what xsploit was it?

[merry scaffold]

And if you're using the regular MC client, Mojang pushed fixes for all 1.12+ clients.

[idle light]

RCE abusing a feature in log4j (Minecraft's logging library)

[grave charm]

1.7+ now I think

[feral spire]

you can google it but disclose it publicly is bad.

[grave charm]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/important-message--security-vulnerability-java-edition

[inland hornet]

is there a waterfall one out yet

or do i need viaversion

[autumn comet]

The protocol version didn't change, from what I've heard

[inland hornet]

kk

[feral spire]

its just like 1.17 and 1.17.1 you will be fine.

[mighty badger]

So, I did ctrl + F5 like suggested as well as another browser and vpn server, and the 1.18.1-67 build I downloaded still has the same sha1 checksum as 1.18-66 despite having different filenames. The sha256 provided on the website is the same too

[feral spire]

it will take some time for you to get it updated.

[mighty badger]

Okie-dokie then, thanks

[uneven pagoda]

Why I'm downloaded build 67 but after start it shows 66?

And 1.18 instead of 1.18.1

[sick hearth]

^

[inland hornet]

i download it fine

[grave charm]

Yeah ok, known issue

[peak pulsar]

wen eta not experimental

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[split steppe]

1.18.1 fixes memory leaks with chunky and old worlds?************

[ancient sage]

No

[dusky bloom]

Will be 1.18 still updated?

[azure cove]

Just stop asking about ETA

[grave charm]

1.18 won’t receive any more updates

1.18.1 is what you want now

[azure cove]

Alright gotta put paper 1.18 on my server then

[viscid lily]

Will 12GB ram allocated to 1.18 be enought for 60 players? For 1.17 it was okay with 10GB ram allocated (60 players)

[mighty badger]

Oh nice, the new 1.18.1-68 upload seems to check out

[feral spire]

try and see but generally yes.

you rarely need more than 10

[ancient sage]

Usually your CPU bottlenecks before

[viscid lily]

1.18 is heavier than 1.17 becouse the world is higher

More blocks are loaded

So more ram

[feral spire]

from my own testing, its fine. I dont see huge difference

[viscid lily]

Thanks

[true bloom]

I have an issue. I have my server on 'vanilla' and I updated it to 1.18.1 and now nether has been reset while the files are still in the correct place (region folders). Also the server picked 'custom jar file' without me changing anything. 2 Questions: 1. Does this have anything to do with a paper.jar file still in the server files maybe? And 2. Can I fix this nether reset ?

[feral spire]

Also the server picked 'custom jar file'
Ask your host

and no unused jar doesnt do anything

[uneven pagoda]

Why Mojang didn't added vertical simulation/view-distance :/
I'm afraid to imagine how bad will the performance be if I load custom dimenstion with height limit ~2000 blocks...

[feral spire]

now imagine one of your player dig a hole all the way to -64

and he free fall from the top of 326.

will you want him to load chunks while hes falling at high speed

[wise vine]

^ if chunks were cubic, bedrock to vanilla limit is now 24 chunks

[uneven pagoda]

Isn't flying with elytra at maximum horizontal speed with rockets approximately equal to the vertical speed of falling?

Just interesting

[sick jolt]

how come it still says experiential builds on the website

[wise vine]

... because it's still experimental?

[rocky nest]

because it's still experimental

dammit too slow

[wise vine]

\o/

just because 1.18.1 replaced 1.18 doesnt mean 1.18 ever left experimental

[normal pecan]

Theyve still got a few patches to do

[mossy shadow]

Is the newest release stable?

[rocky nest]

read the channel name

[rough drift]

Is it a known issue how touching lecterns will glitch out player movement, basically grabbing the player?

only happens on Paper servers

[rocky nest]

Any plugins? listen to the people who know more than me

[noble quest]

Yes, lecterns were mentioned as an issue to be fixed.

There's an issue open for it on the Github.

[feral spire]

oh

nvm

[rough drift]

doesn't happen on vanilla or spigot servers, only paper

sounds like it is documented. here's a video I made showing it if y'all are wondering.
https://youtu.be/Ql0A47AvBcU

[noble quest]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7043

[mossy shadow]

A release can be stable but experimental

[rare orchid]

yo
build #68

i'm looking forward to the next build

[sick jolt]

hope its the final one

[manic widget]

the first stable release ;)

just do 68.1, .2 etc until its ready

[idle light]

hahahaa

[stray ruin]

lmao

[rocky nest]

hate to burst your bubble, but we're still many builds out from stable

[manic widget]

i know

68.001

[floral blade]

[manic widget]

[idle light]

the bugs and crashes are what make it exciting though

unless it's save corruption that's not fun

[manic widget]

only save corrupt is an issue

ion

and Security flaws like today's

[idle light]

and that too, yeah :^)

[feral spire]

it doesnt affect 1.18 btw

[manic widget]

ik

i can read

[plain solstice]

You're the first one that is able to read then

[manic widget]

i must be blessed

[polar quarry]

wow

incredible, impressive, outstanding

[peak pulsar]

It was interesting though; on 1.17 it was one day after the .1 got released and was marked as stable

[manic widget]

[peak pulsar]

Now clearly it's a bit different :P

[manic widget]

know anymore words megaman?

[polar quarry]

you tell me, you're the one who can read

[manic widget]

please tell me more im literally so interested

ight lemme bust out the oxford for you

A

[outer pewter]

I guess there is no patch 67

[marble badger]

wasnt 67 the failed update to 1.18.1

[manic widget]

ya

it was in the kenny stream

[marble badger]

i thought so

[fickle pawn]

is 1.18.1 not going to be on it's own tab on the downloads page or will it remain as 1.18

not really important but just interesting

[dapper lotus]

well

we'll just add the .1 on the end and like, ez

We only have supported versions on there

So, .1 added, the other disappears

[fickle pawn]

ah okay thanks

[vapid prawn]

I didn't even realize Mojang could do a release without bumping the protocol version

[grave charm]

I think its a new thing

[vapid prawn]

They bump the protocol version when they sneeze

[exotic magnet]

Does the checklist of issues to be fixed update automatically?

[vapid prawn]

No

I'm not aware of any progress being made on any of the checklist stuff either though

All of the stuff unticked in there is tuinity patches

[neat elk]

I am running 1.18 on a Shockbyte Server. Not sure how I go about updating to 1.18.1, and have been trying to figure out.
Does anyone have a ReadMe I can follow? I've not done this before aside from major version updates by choosing a dropdown.

[feral spire]

ask your host.

[neat elk]

I downloaded the .jar for build #68

[feral spire]

how would we know how they handle your server jar?

each host has their own way to handle this

[vapid prawn]

If you have access to your server jar you should be able to just replace it with the one you downloaded

But if you need help beyond that talk to your host

[neat elk]

Thank you for this response. I will do that.

[floral blade]

https://shockbyte.com/billing/knowledgebase/20/How-to-Install-a-Custom-JAR-Custom-Server-Type.html litreally a 2 second google

[exotic magnet]

What does that mean

[neat elk]

May have been a 2 second google, but I was trying to follow the links and readme's from Paper.

[vapid prawn]

It means we're most likely just waiting for one person to have time and feel like doing the work

Or until the rest of the folks decide to skip the patches for now

[exotic magnet]

Ah

Ok

Thanks

[vapid prawn]

Basically consider the checklist completed 😛

It's probably not going to be relevant to 1.18.1 being marked as experimental or not

[heady grail]

Is the whole simulation distance / no tick view distance stuff working at least?

[vapid prawn]

Sure, the vanilla system works

[heady grail]

Because its basically what I am waiting on before I consider updating to 1.18

Well, that and FAWE

[peak pulsar]

FAWE?

[vapid prawn]

FastAsyncWorldException

[peak pulsar]

ah yes... 🤔

[feral spire]

No tick isn’t in yet.
Also read this https://is.paper.sexy/ViewDistance.png

[vapid prawn]

Please add a ?1 to that URL

It burns

[heady grail]

Is there a performance difference between the 2 systems?

[exotic magnet]

One more question, i went on the fixes list and it said update to 1.18.1 does that mean it's almost ready or is that a big point in fixes?

[vapid prawn]

Leaf seemed to think there would be a difference, yeah

[heady grail]

Well I am waiting for FAWE still anyways, so no rush I guess.

[vapid prawn]

Pretty sure no one has done any benchmarks since you'd need to update no-tick patches first 😛

[peak pulsar]

i take it 1.18.1 paper is not stable?

[vapid prawn]

Like, you'd have to do the work to see if doing the work would be worth it

[exotic magnet]

Is that a reply to me

I'm guessing no bc I didn't understand that

😂

[feral spire]

Yea

“Experimental” and not all patch is in yet

[carmine sigil]

I love that domain

[hot zenith]

Just happens sometimes

[floral blade]

Experimental is a foreign word apparently

[peak pulsar]

bro BRO this exploit can compromise a Switch

rip nintendo

[normal pecan]

it goes beyond minecraft

[exotic magnet]

One question, i went on the fixes list and it said update to 1.18.1 does that mean it's almost ready or is that a big point in fixes?

[normal pecan]

It means it now is running version 1.18.1

Not 1.18

[peak pulsar]

What happens if I just swap out the 1.18 jar for the 1.18.1 jar ?? Will my server die?

[normal pecan]

Because Mojang released 1.18.1

No your server should be fine, but backup

[floral blade]

Instantly explode /s

[rocky nest]

backups between updates regardless is a good idea

[hot zenith]

1.18 paper has been running fine for me imo even on experimental

[rocky nest]

not helpful

[normal pecan]

Backups in general is a good idea 😭

[rocky nest]

well yeah backup as frequently as you're able to

[exotic magnet]

So all fixes are to do with 1.18.1 now?

[peak pulsar]

backup every day <<

[normal pecan]

Ive got quite the space for those 😁

[normal pecan]

Yes

[rocky nest]

https://f.u11.io/borg ❤️

[normal pecan]

1.18 won’t receive more patches, all future builds will be 1.18.1

[normal pecan]

whole lotta chunks

[exotic magnet]

So this is a good thing?

[rocky nest]

(that's borg chunks, not MC chunks for the reference)

[normal pecan]

Its just an update to the latest version

[sharp flame]

can you tell me the name of the plugin please?

[normal pecan]

Im not really sure what you mean by good or bad

[normal pecan]

eBackup

[sharp flame]

thx

[rocky nest]

backup plugins

[normal pecan]

what do you suggest?

[rocky nest]

If using shared hosting, most competent hosts should offer a backup service. If homehosting, VPS, or Dedi, use something running on the machine i.e. borg, rsync, etc

[normal pecan]

Alright, ill look into it

This just appeared to be the easiest way to backup several different machines to one server

[feral spire]

Remember backup is also in host's best interest to provide, if they dont, it's a sign you should switch.

[rocky nest]

I suppose backup plugins will function usually, they're just not great

[normal pecan]

It backs up the entire server file :p

Not really sure what the issue would be besides performance during a backup

But i haven’t noticed any hiccups

[vapid prawn]

It's probably doing a really basic kind of backup

[normal pecan]

You can specify what you want to backup

[vapid prawn]

External tools do snapshots and such so you don't keep full copies of each backup that are 90% identical

[exotic magnet]

I mean like is it a significant fix that will help things like fixes speed up or be easier to fix

[vapid prawn]

And they can do encryption, distributing to several cloud storage providers at once for off site backups, etc

[exotic magnet]

If that makes sense

[vapid prawn]

Backup plugins work, they're just pretty basic

[dapper lotus]

plugin based backup solutions are often shoddy, often miss out on "basic" features such as incremental backups, and the number of times I've heard of backup plugins shitting the bed cos they use the java zip stuff which is NOT designed for large archive files...

[normal pecan]

Its just an update to the newest minecraft version

[vapid prawn]

Unless it's a plugin that's just doing the save-off, save-all flush, calling out to an external tool, then doing save-on

[feral spire]

the worse kinda of backup is when it is kinda right and only small thing being bad like missing a region file here and there

[normal pecan]

My several hundred gig zips crying

[feral spire]

Most people dont even test their backup anyway.

@normal pecan you can always trim away trash chunks that has no one one it

[normal pecan]

My bad i pinged didn’t I

[carmine sigil]

You did indeed

[normal pecan]

[neat ingot]

Why is my ping literally on paper 1.18 at 300+ while on 1.17 the ping was 25?

[rocky slate]

oh i ended up writing my own bash scripts to do backups >_<
They aren't perfect. I've noticed some bugs and race conditions but I haven't had time to fix. They work 99% of the time for my tiny server

they have been tested in the past when I was moving ZFS arrays and destroyed the old ones prematurely ;-;

[dapper lotus]

send save-off over screen, etc, sleep 30 seconds, do backup, save-on

[rocky slate]

yeah I use tail to monitor the latest.log for output.

[dapper lotus]

Ideally you like, you know, save all, but, save all is slower than eternity, so

don't mention

I really gotta look at making a nice async command system for rcon

[rocky slate]

I have such a small server that I just did what I could with my intermediate skills x)

I wanted to know exactly what it was doing so I just did it myself

[normal pecan]

Been on the same world for around 8 years, so backups have always been important

Had one issue last year that required data recovery specialists

[dapper lotus]

I mean, eventually, you grow up

you uninstall linux and replace it with a hackintosh and then a real mac

and you figure, I don't got the time to maintain this shit

rsnapshot go brrr

at least, that was my experience 😄

[rocky slate]

lol I don't run Linux desktop. That was tried and done years ago.

Linux server on the other hand...

debian... on the other hand x)

[dapper lotus]

debian? weak

[heady grail]

i use arch btw

[rocky slate]

real men use arch on production servers 😤

[dapper lotus]

Like, I mean, our box years ago was running on arch

idk what it's running on now, I can't recall

But, for many years, arch was the way

[heady grail]

arch is best

[rocky slate]

Any time I’ve ever decided to play with Linux for desktop use, I’d venture back to arch because it was exactly how I wanted. But I didn’t have time or patience for maintenance so back to macOS and Windows I went. Use Debian and proxmox though.

[peak pulsar]

average arch production user vs char clearlinux enjoyer

[rocky slate]

I did use Ubuntu, and then Arch for years on desktop though

[dapper lotus]

nixOS or gtfo

[prisma wing]

windows is just 🤮

[dapper lotus]

I actually installed nixOS for the first time other week, and now am debating on replacing homebrew on my mac with nix :L

at least the laptop because building gcc ever time it updates is basically ass cancer with a side of hemmeroids

[exotic magnet]

Is it a system doing the fixes or people? Sorry if that's q stupid question idk how this stuff works

[rocky slate]

But yeah when you Google like “how to use Google drive on Linux” and someone says, “use nextcloud.” Like, yes. I want to spend the next several hours throwing up a new VM and learning nextcloud or owncloud or whatever. The attitude in the community is unhelpful at times.

[rocky slate]

bless homebrew. Love it. I ended up sending my M1 Mac mini back because it was producing vertical dark lines on every HDMI screen I plugged it into. 2017 MBA still chugging

[normal pecan]

True, but will i switch from it for my main machine? Nah. 😭

All my other machines run various versions of linux though

[rocky slate]

Agree, but so is macOS and so is Linux. I’m realistic.

The last time I tried using two monitors in X11… oh god. Something would always spazz out. Plug into Windows or macOS and they even remember the window positions 🤧

[dapper lotus]

no lie, every time I boot windows, I end up with an headache

[rocky slate]

I literally use Windows terminal and Debian in WSL because that’s where I do CLI work x)

[exotic magnet]

Is it a system doing the fixes or people? Sorry if that's q stupid question idk how this stuff works

[rocky slate]

I don’t work here, but elaborate?

[dapper lotus]

That question literally makes 0 fucking sense

[exotic magnet]

Nvm then

Doesn't matter

[rocky slate]

People produce patches. People push patches out for download. Some of the system is automated I’m sure. Paper doesn’t write itself, as far as I’m aware. It isn’t a stupid question if you didn’t know. It’s ok

[sour token]

switched to linux/windows dual boot recently life is now amazing

[rocky slate]

The world was panicking yesterday. Minecraft was by far NOT the most affected thing by that bug

[feral spire]

WSL

[rocky slate]

see, I use what works for me.

I don’t force myself to use desktop Linux when it doesn’t work for me after I tried for 3 years 🤷

[peak pulsar]

I run WSL on Windows inside a VM on MacOS

[sour token]

defer to windows when Linux can't accomplish something (mainly gaming), it's great cause linux is fast, light & great for programming whereas windows is where you slam stuff together and it just works, with the downside that your desktop takes 99% of your RAM and your data is in an express pipeline to the CCP

[rocky slate]

I use Linux on my server VMs (and lxc) specifically because of RAM usage. Licensing aside (it’s a private shop who cares?), I do prefer Linux in my server stuff

[exotic magnet]

Since ur one of the core team, I'm just wondering is there much left to fix? I'm not trying to nag I'm just curious

[rocky slate]

Well not specifically but it’s easier to work with like that

[dapper lotus]

Don't mention

We're not giving 1:1 update sessions

[rocky slate]

I don’t work here but it’ll be done when it gets done.

[dapper lotus]

all info is in the #❗-1-18 channel as it has always been.

[peak pulsar]

1. Final 1.18 release will be tomorrow. 2) If final release was not released today, see 1)

[exotic magnet]

So there's no idea if there's much left? Just because there's nothing to do with that in that channel

[dapper lotus]

Stop.

mentioning.

There is a fucking todo list

[sour token]

guys did i mention there is no ETA

by the way there is no ETA

and before you ask, is there an ETA? no.

[azure cove]

eta is not real

[sour token]

Estimated Time of Lie-rival am I right

[pliant orbit]

Cake is a lie, eta is a dream

[azure cove]

They are magic

They're not real

[rocky slate]

also gamers on Reddit installing windows 11 on release day and then posting help on why stuff wasn’t working right. Y’all 😂

I played with it on a spare thinkpad. I ain’t touching it with a 10 foot pole for a while.

[sour token]

well i made my dual boot setup recently and saw no need to NOT use windows 11

my pc isnt weak so no 7 for me

[exotic magnet]

Where can I find the to do list?

[dapper lotus]

Bruh.

The link to that list is literally on the page you act like you've read.

[exotic magnet]

Thanks

[sour token]

and all the windows 11 ads boast about gaming performance despite (probably) changing nothing

so at least I can pretend it makes sense

the superfluous desktop animations make me feel gross tho

like im burning resources

[pliant orbit]

@exotic magnet https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136

[rocky slate]

I have my 10 start menu layout exactly how I want it. And they take it and gut it and change some shapes and colors—“look, Windows 11! *”
*some features previously available are no longer available

[exotic magnet]

Thanks so much

[sour token]

I did notice that disabling Defender/Antimalware Service Executable was now 1000% harder on 11

[tired whale]

Anyone else having issues falling through the map on load in with newer builds? Might be a plugin overhead thing with DynMap rendering but I just wanted to double check.

[azure cove]

killing antimalware service executable doesn't work?

I do this when it takes too much of my cpu

[rocky slate]

obtw we’re gonna pretend every computer made prior to the last 3 years can’t run windows 11 even though it actually can and we’re going to pretend we won’t offer you updates (but we will) and we threaten that it might void your manufacturer warranty (not under US Federal law?) so lol enjoy your half-baked what should’ve been 21H2!

[dapper lotus]

falling through the world? That's only happened since mojang messed with the entire chunk system a few versions ago

it's 100% on the client

[dense sparrow]

It happens to me too

[sour token]

it's possible to eradicate it but windows 11 mac-like direction makes it way harder

[exotic magnet]

Someone told me that the things on that list have no effect on 1.18.1 so no one is gonna do them

[dense sparrow]

On the latest paper build

[sour token]

ill be so disappointed if microsoft becomes apple 2

[dense sparrow]

But I am generating dynmap and using chunky

[tired whale]

Same. I'll wait until that's finished. I'm running the server on a potato so I'll see if that helps.

[rocky slate]

At least Apple lets you csrutil disable from recovery. Albeit updates will be 12GB because deltas won’t work then. I’m just upset my M1 Mac experience was not optimal. Loved it. Couldn’t deal with external monitor weirdness

[dapper lotus]

I mean, specifically for .1, it's already out

[azure cove]

gotta stay on 10 then

[dapper lotus]

It was a trivial set of updates

[tired whale]

Also now that I think of it, I've been playing from my linux partition, so that could be it as well. I'll test that.

[rocky slate]

Also they slapped on all this “security” on Windows 11… that may block script kiddy attacks? Ain’t gonna stop some call from India getting your grandma to install teamviewer because “she has a virus and Microsoft called you”

Ransomware? Nah. None of that is enabled by default (unless they changed it?) because you’d have to manually go enable controlled folder access in Defender and the average grandma doesn’t even know what that means, much less what it is. Like when someone posts a Windows question in a forum and the top response is, “lol install Linux” 🤦

[dense river]

I don't see how this is in any way relevant to testing the 1.18.1 builds

[rocky slate]

We were conversing about it a few minutes ago. My apologies

[sour token]

windows' stance on antivirus does nothing to better public "knowledge" about viruses. despite having the most complex and overbuilt antivirus built into modern versions of windows, it seems like people's knowledge of what viruses actually are and how they work are at an all time low

also sorry off topic ://

[rocky slate]

Now, I’m sure this was asked 100 times previous (and is relevant, no worries)—but did 1.18 change how fog on render distance worked or changed something related? It seems like my render distance appears closer than in 1.17. Maybe it’s me? I’m not sure.

[dense river]

No, that is right

However 1.18.1 slightly rolled that change back

[rocky slate]

Ah. Thank you.

[tired whale]

double check your spigot.yml file. Mine had view distance set to 5 which overwrote paper.yml and server.properties

[rocky slate]

Wasn’t aware it was outside of server.properties. Will check—thanks for the suggestion.

[crisp lintel]

When I place blocks and rejoin the server (so the chunk gets unloaded and loaded) the blocks are gone. I think that the world doesn’t saves

Is their a change in paper?

[tired whale]

Yeah there are settings in both those yml files.

[half walrus]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136#issuecomment-982297893

[exotic magnet]

Some1 said to me that checklist doesn't make any difference to 1.18.1

[rocky slate]

so I found the following:
spigot.yml -- view-distance: default. quick search on spigot's site shows that default equates to whatever is in server.properties.
paper.yml keyword search yielded no-tick-view-distance: -1, which I assume doesn't do much given what's in the github link in the previous message?
So, I guess it's just the way 1.18 is, like aurora mentioned.
server.properties is set to 10.

[exotic magnet]

So the things on there won't get done

[tired whale]

Yeah so you should be good. Are you setting simulation-distance to 10 in server.properties?

[rocky slate]

That's what it is set to currently.

[dapper lotus]

Bro.

1.18.1 is literally already released.

[tame sluice]

Is the recent update experimental?

[dapper lotus]

This is not fucking complex.

[timber ridge]

Yes. 1.18.x is still experimental

[dapper lotus]

The state of the repo does not magically change because mojang release a few small patches

[timber ridge]

When there are stable builds the website will reflect that.

[dapper lotus]

The builds seem mostly stable, but, buyer beware.

[tame sluice]

Kk Ty

I’m going to buy so much beware you watch

[rocky slate]

Exactly why I have my 1.18 paper test server on a separate VM all by itself on port 25566. Extreme? probably. But it does keep me from accidentally fucking up something when I'm in a totally different SSH session and server directories have different name x)

[timber ridge]

Don't ping cat.

(His name says no-ping)

[crisp lintel]

Are there known issues with chunk saving?

[tame sluice]

how much beware should I buy before I update

daily backups? or more frequent?

[peak pulsar]

daily, yes

or after any significant change you dont wannt lose

that said... its been extremely stable for me

[feral spire]

Hourly maybe. Still suck to lose shit that you build for a day

[next owl]

ping orange his name says yes ping

[rocky slate]

Does discord dnd not disable ping notifications? 👀

[dapper lotus]

it's not the notifs

it's the stupid highlight which fucks with my eyes

[timber ridge]

It also doesn't matter. They ask to not be pinged. It's easy to respect that.

[next owl]

that too yellow eww

[timber ridge]

People make mistakes and cat mostly forgives.

[plush ore]

You can also turn off the ping in replies but most people don’t.

[rocky slate]

I didn't intent to fuck with your eyes, so I apologize. Discord has no option to change that does it? Needs better accessibility options, now that I look in there.

[vapid prawn]

You could probably use BetterDiscord to retheme that but then it breaks every Discord update and you risk getting banned for selfbotting

[timber ridge]

Amaranth! Don't tell people to use unofficial clients!

You heathen

[rocky nest]

tsk tsk in a verified server too

[peak pulsar]

If you have your client open for long periods of time it might be worth disabling the background color via devtools

[plush ore]

Just disable the ping in the reply

[vapid prawn]

If you were going to risk that you may as well use ripcord instead 😄

[rocky slate]

I'm not very observant. Then again, I don't really use Discord heavily. Thanks

[polar quarry]

but some people ignore the "no ping" and don't

[vapid prawn]

I mean, what, third party clients for Discord don't exist, shhh

[rocky slate]

To be frank, I wasn't sure what was meant by [no-ping] initially.

I suppose that makes me stupid.

[noble quest]

Eh, live and learn.

[polar quarry]

i'd argue that's just ignorance but sure

[rocky slate]

brb need to go RTFM for discord

[timber ridge]

Not stupid. It's a reasonable mistake to make.

[quasi panther]

stupid is doing it when you know exactly what you're doing and have been told to stop

[plush ore]

Yea it is a reasonable mistake because you have to do it for every reply afaik

[timber ridge]

It defaults to it, yeah.

99.9% of people say "oh sorry" and don't do it again when asked.

[rocky slate]

I was mocking the prior message before it was edited. But yeah, I'm still learning things about Discord every once in a while x)

[rocky slate]

There's no options to default to off? lame

[timber ridge]

Nope. :(

[rocky slate]

Sorry if I do ping you (and it's annoying to you). I'll have to remember to do it with my adhd brain.

[peak pulsar]

wait so ive been enabling no ping replies for nothing?

also what about light mode discord?

[timber ridge]

We don't need to find a solution for cat.

They're an adult.

They've asked to not be pinged.

Let's respect that.

[dense river]

See our community guidelines, 6.)

[peak pulsar]

where is that

found it

[dense river]

https://papermc.io/community-guidelines

[quasi panther]

a no-ping reply is a different color

[quasi panther]

like so

[peak pulsar]

ahh i se

[frozen bronze]

Wtf is this security issue

How do I protect my server

[dense river]

#announcements

[half walrus]

All the info we can provide is pinned in the #paper-help channel

[chilly ibex]

How

[dark wigeon]

"i am no longer able to hac my players"

[chilly ibex]

Daim! not good! .

We are gonna test it on my server today. but with another ip adresse so we dont break the real one.

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[real bolt]

Have you considered using custom CSS?

[dapper lotus]

discord, literally doesn't support that...

[peak pulsar]

^ not exactly the greatest way of solving this tho

[real bolt]

You could use an external CSS loader like Powercord