❗-1-18-experimental

[dapper lotus]

8G is basically bare minimum for a computer these days if you want a useful machine

[burnt portal]

not true, at less in where i lived....

[dapper lotus]

ofc, for devs? That's literally nothing

[autumn comet]

They live in a data center

[dapper lotus]

if you want the capacity in which a proper dedi can handle, you're either getting cheap gigabit eithernet or not considering costs properly

[shadow burrow]

That option only open if you own the physical server

[dapper lotus]

wat

[shadow burrow]

I wish it was standard to have 8g. Ram

[feral spire]

[burnt portal]

build one just cost ~$450 and can use for 3 year+
(VPS cost $240 per month

[autumn comet]

🚌

[shadow burrow]

Yeah big future plan

[terse hamlet]

why tf would you ever spend 240$ a month on a vps

if you want to burn money you can just send it to me instead

[peak pulsar]

What hosting lol

[autumn comet]

Keep off topic out of topic channels

[runic crown]

are the experimental versions good enough for upgrading an existing world from 1.16 to 1.18?

[slate lark]

This might already be common knowledge, but I figure I'd put it out there in case someone else runs into it. The newer java 17 required breaks backwards compatibility with some older docker versions due to additional security. Also, the openjdk:17-alpine docker image doesn't use the release version of java 17, which causes 1.18 to crash.

[runic crown]

i dont use docker

am a i safe to upgrade?

[slate lark]

Wasn't addressed to you

[runic crown]

oh

[fossil path]

Yes, you can do so... but take backups first

And also schedule regular backups

And keep the server jar as up to date as possible

[runic crown]

i have regular backups

how do i update a server tho

do i just replace the jar and start it?

[fossil path]

First of all, test out the 1.18 jar locally on your PC with the plugins you want to use (to see if they work) then update your jar on the server and make sure that it's using Java17

(1.18 requires Java17)

[runic crown]

thanks 👍

[fossil hound]

Has anyone else experienced never Ending Raids?

On my Server is a Raid that is still on Level one, even though 400+ Pillagers were killed already...

[fossil hound]

Nvm we were killing Outpost Pillagers...

[next owl]

my 8gb vps is

10 dollors

a month

btw without pregen my server is running alr for now

[burnt portal]

$10?!! which provider? mostly I found almost > $30 for 8GB RAM

[viscid lily]

Hi! Simulated distance is ticking distance, right? And view-distance is non-ticking? And is it possible to test it in game?

[mortal token]

yes

place dispenser

with water or mobs

[viscid lily]

okay, so this dispanser will work only close to me, right?

[tired whale]

Also, make sure the value for View Distance either isn't set in spigot.yml or changed as well.

[viscid lily]

and what now? I put water in my dispenser and nothing happened

[mortal token]

inside the veiw distance and withing ticking distance no change

outside the ticking distance no water flow

or get placed

[viscid lily]

nope, the water is IN my dispenser and that's it.

[mortal token]

whut

it is basically no tick better distance

[mortal token]

yeah

it will not get placed in

the no tick zone

[viscid lily]

I do not understand. I am close to this dispenser. I am clicking on it...

[mortal token]

use redstone and try to active it from from outside the notick zone

[viscid lily]

isnt there something more simple?

[mortal token]

maybe mob spawning and going away?

might not work if ear2 is on

[worldly holly]

maybe shoot arrows

[half walrus]

Learn about Entity Activation Range 2.0 (Wake up Inactive): https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/commit/e0ea2e0e147875b5b0eeab747d19fa00a5e19ef2

[mortal token]

no

[viscid lily]

maybe armor-stands will dissapear when I will be in non-tick zone? I noticed that armor stands disapearing very fast when I am further away

maybe redstone-clock?

I will see redstone-clock from very long distance and I will see if it is working or not

Unfortunatelly the redstone clock is working veeeery away from me. So the "non-ticking" distance is a myth

[gilded ice]

Does starlight is implemented in paper?

[half plume]

Yes

[viscid lily]

someone know why this is happening?

[peak pulsar]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7054 known issue

[next owl]

time4vps

[peak pulsar]

i got spawned inside a mountain or something even in two different seeds

[next owl]

AAAAAAA

whyy

if ppl die

server crashes

[rocky nest]

space bar not the enter key pls

this

is

[timid wolf]

will server performance improve when stable releases come out

[rocky nest]

really

spammy

[azure cove]

If people die server dies too nice

[acoustic burrow]

So um changing to engine mode 1 led to a 50 -70% reduction in bandwidth usage compared to engine mode 2. If you guys were interested.

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @next owl: https://p.sulu.me/H2O9dJ

[next owl]

log

[topaz nymph]

This is the 1.18 channel

[next owl]

sorry habbit lol

[topaz nymph]

#paper-help

[next owl]

wait

i am on 1.18

that old log

sryy

leme send new

[topaz nymph]

Ah yea, this doesn’t show any crash either.

That’s fine

[tired whale]

You also should create a non-root user to run the server from

[proud zenith]

sorry for the ping, but do you perhaps also have a repo for that? xd

[next owl]

ye

i will do it later

[vivid bluff]

Nope. 🛌

[proud zenith]

f

their codemc one does not seem to exist which they display on their v3 branch

[next owl]

it didnt log it

[topaz nymph]

Ah well, try to get a log.

[next owl]

howw

[topaz nymph]

Next time it crashes?

[next owl]

ok

[dapper lotus]

outside of the JVM being killed by the OS

it's pretty much impossible for it to die with 0 logs

log file, crash report, hs_err file, etc

[next owl]

leme check

i have the latest.log

[topaz nymph]

^

[next owl]

but the zips

are showing only 1.17.1

ones

[topaz nymph]

Check to make sure your on the right server, because 1.18 still should be providing logs.

[dapper lotus]

I mean, if you started your server after it crashed, then it will be in the last gzip file

Like, they're saved with the timestamp in them

or, well, the date

[next owl]

a got it

filezilla broke

it didnt update new ones

[hazy hawk]

is it possible for the server to crash so badly that it doesn't release locks on the world folder?

Once when starting one it complained that it couldn't lock the world dir, and another instance was not currently running

[final mango]

If you’re absolutely sure, you can delete the “session.lock” file. I’ve had it happen to me before, but only one time in my multiple years of running servers.

[gritty glacier]

hey folks I'm running paper 1.18-57 on my server and ive noticed that the transition from the overworld to nether and back is slow, to the point the client locks up and takes about 5-8 seconds to complete. i thought maybe it was a plugin i was running so i created a new world with just paper and the behavior seems to be the same. the hardware is home hosted and is plenty strong to run a server, was running a 1.17 world without issue. im curious if this is known behavior or if theres any remedy for it at this time?

[final mango]

Copied from other channel, Decrease the chunk send rate in the “chunk-loading” config section.

Problem is 1.18 chunk sending totally clogs up the network, so you need to slow it down a bit.

[gritty glacier]

roger, i assume thats just in paper.yml somewhere then, ya?

yea

just found it

    min-load-radius: 2
    max-concurrent-sends: 2
    autoconfig-send-distance: true
    target-player-chunk-send-rate: 100.0
    global-max-chunk-send-rate: -1.0
    enable-frustum-priority: false
    global-max-chunk-load-rate: 300.0
    player-max-concurrent-loads: 4.0
    global-max-concurrent-loads: 500.0```

this section i would assume?

the "target-player-chund-send-rate" is the one i should turn down?

oh thats actually really weird, that chunk-loading section was missing from my brand new 1.18-57 world for testing but exists in my actual server..not sure why that would be the case. i was going nuts trying to find those values to modify for testing

[next owl]

got it

[long edge]

that config won't currently do anything in 1.18, it hasn't been implemented yet

[long edge]

If your server just exits like that with no log, likely something external is killing it. How are you hosting the server?

[next owl]

i got the log

[next owl]

this

[long edge]

yes but it just ends, if it exited normally it would have logged more

[next owl]

ye

it crashed

[long edge]

yes, but for a lot of types of crashes more will be logged

this isn't it crashing, more than likely something external has killed it

[next owl]

not just now

when somone dies it crashes

when somone rpt

[long edge]

so, in order to determine what that might be, how are you hosting it?

ok

[next owl]

it crases

[long edge]

ah I see, ok. How are you hosting it?

[gritty glacier]

alright, so then i guess for the time being just live with it and eventually there will be some optimization options for the behavior? its not crashing the server of anything, more just a quality of life thing

[long edge]

yeah that will be added back in the future

[gritty glacier]

roger, ty

[gilded ice]

*1.18.1 RELEASE CANDIDATE 2

MC-245010 - Sometimes certain chunks will never load

[next owl]

AAAAAAa

save-all

kills server

[rocky nest]

once again, please space bar not the enter key

any errors when it crashes?

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @next owl: https://p.sulu.me/9XG09f

[next owl]

no

i ran save-all

it killed i

[rocky nest]

how's it hosted?

[next owl]

vps

8gb ram

[rocky nest]

do you have a panel installed i.e. ptero, or are you just using screen/tmux/whatever to run it?

[next owl]

screen

[gilded ice]

https://madelinemiller.dev/blog/root-minecraft-server/

[next owl]

ok! i will change

soon

[long edge]

something external is killing it, check the output of dmesg -T | grep -i 'killed process'

[next owl]

how do i check tha

im kinda new to this

[long edge]

just run that command, it will print an output

[exotic magnet]

When is it going to be fully ready for 1.18?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[exotic magnet]

Oh

[long edge]

at this point it's mostly just unfinished

only major bugs are collision stuff

[exotic magnet]

Can you simplify that sentence

I don't understand

[long edge]

there aren't any serious bugs

[exotic magnet]

Oh

Ok

So does that mean it's not gonna take that long?

[long edge]

no, what is blocking a proper release is that it is not finished, as in not everything from 1.17 has yet been implemented for 1.18

not that it is unusable and buggy for small servers

[flint nexus]

Out of curiosity, is there a place to view which features haven't been carried over yet?

[half walrus]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136#issuecomment-982297893

[long edge]

this has most of the big ones ^

[flint nexus]

Thanks so much!

[long edge]

big 1.18-specific bugs left are https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7054 and https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7043

although the second is effectively just https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6779

[gilded ice]

are 261 issues actually issues?

[long edge]

there are a lot that are feature requests/small things

and others are effectively just sitting there, never to actually be fixed/worked on such as a lot of aikar's tracking issues

might work to at some point move feature requests over to discussions, people like essx/discord's api docs have done that and it seems to work decently well for them

although idk

[split steppe]

is this normal?

https://pastebin.com/WRarMaWs

[dapper lotus]

no

[split steppe]

f

[mint violet]

so the experimental build should be fine to use for my friends server so long as we make fairly frequent backups right?

[split steppe]

it's never that bad

but yes backups are important

[mint violet]

cool beans, ty

[next owl]

yes for friends its plenty enough

but for public not yet

[mint violet]

awesome

[grave charm]

?

[restive jolt]

Sorry

My cat jumped on my keyboard 😭

I was reading the channel

Didn't mean to send this

[cedar tundra]

I'm getting errors in my logs what I've not seen before:
8.12 19:13:58 [Server] ERROR No key placement in MapLike[{config:{state_provider:{state:{Name:"minecraft:hay_block",Properties:{axis:"y"}},type:"minecraft:rotated_block_provider"}},type:"minecraft:block_pile"}]; No key feature in MapLike[{config:{state_provider:{state:{Name:"minecraft:hay_block",Properties:{axis:"y"}},type:"minecraft:rotated_block_provider"}},type:"minecraft:block_pile"}]
Is this paper related, or vanilla?

[feral spire]

Safe to ignore

Vanilla

[cedar tundra]

ok...cool. Thanks

[thorny burrow]

Has anyone else had issues with sugar growing forever on the experimental builds?

[feral spire]

What do you mean by growing forever? Took forever to grow or growing non stop until 256?

[thorny burrow]

I'm not sure if its non stop, but higher than 3 tall.

[feral spire]

There is a Config option in spigot.yml. Make sure no one touches it

Otherwise remove your plugin and see

[thorny burrow]

cane-modifier in the spigot config appears to be default at 100. I'll check plugins.

[devout spindle]

[proud sleet]

How do I increase the view distance of players? setting view-distance or simulation-distance in the server config doesn't do anything

[umbral saffron]

Hello, call me dummy but ... the client viewdistance now syncs with server?

[proud sleet]

so that I can see players over more chunks

[brisk canopy]

yeah, client now matches distance of the server

[feral spire]

https://is.paper.sexy/ViewDistance.png

Client can only get as much as you give them. Just ensure you don’t misconfig anything here

[proud sleet]

in a post on spigotmc somebody says I have to increase the entity-tracking-range-players in the spigot.yml, but the setting doesn't exist anymore. What's the setting in the 1.18?

[feral spire]

This is paper

Also it still exist

It’s in spigot.yml

[umbral saffron]

This is actually nice

[half walrus]

https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/

[feral spire]

@proud sleet you can read this walk through

That’s pretty much all you ever need to change to keep server lag free

Paper has more options than spigot if you come from there

[stuck mural]

It seems the patch to handle the new simulation distance is taking a while for paper. Is there a reason? Is it a wonky system or?

I’m getting this from the to do list that I saw posted here

[dapper lotus]

the person who is aware of that system the most has other things to do

[stuck mural]

Gotcha

[twin spade]

I want to add custom structure to 1.18 is there any good way to do it?

(custom dungeon)

I asked in #paper-dev but I am not sure if I will get helped here with 1.18.

[kindred basalt]

moreso that you've waited all of 2 minutes

dev is the proper channel for dev related things

[twin spade]

Ok

I just wasnt sure which one to use

[jolly mortar]

no-tick-view-distance:
Works in 1.18?

[autumn comet]

see

[crude glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-shocked-fall-4k-4160p-gif-21623835

[peak pulsar]

dont forget the range settings in spigot config!

[exotic magnet]

Praying its fully ready soon 🙏

Not trying to say its slow or anything

[feral spire]

Donating works better than praying https://opencollective.com/papermc

[exotic magnet]

😂

I'm only a teenager mate sorry

Does any1 at all have like any idea in any way shape or form how long it may take?

I don't need an exact time

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[exotic magnet]

2023?

😂

[dark wigeon]

yes when you turn 13

[amber mica]

possibly 😄
You can look at the update tracking issue if you want to see whats still missing for a full update: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136#issuecomment-982297893

[exotic magnet]

Thank you

[exotic magnet]

Is everything ticked the done things?

[amber mica]

yes, thats how a checklist usually works.

Just know that this isn't really an indication on how long it will take, just how much is done already

[dark wigeon]

offline mode

not supported

[upbeat sky]

Do you guys have any idea about the current state of paper 1.18? Should it be save to move a 1.18 survival server tot paper from vanilla?

[amber mica]

if you make regular backups it should be fine

[upbeat sky]

Are there any known big issues at the moment?

[peak pulsar]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A"version%3A+1.18" apart from these, not that we're aware of

[pastel mortar]

My Server runs fine without any problems since #32

[upbeat sky]

Ok thank you for the info

[peak pulsar]

Can someone link me to the Paper bug tracker?

[merry scaffold]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues

[latent parrot]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues

heh

[vestal ginkgo]

Still having this issue. Anyone have a solution?

[dapper lotus]

think somebody had an idea of what it was but it's basically on their todo list

[vestal ginkgo]

👍 good to hear

[pulsar dagger]

yeah you need to nuke .gradle

and yes I'm that somebody

[dapper lotus]

you're just somebody I used to know

[grim grove]

https://tenor.com/view/now-youre-just-somebody-that-i-used-to-know-wouter-de-backer-gotye-somebody-that-i-used-to-know-song-i-dont-know-you-anymore-gif-18632753

[fierce ravine]

looks like the server really doesnt like generating high value chunks
It works fine with low values but when i set it to something like 10.000.000 it shits itself

[23:38:19 FATAL]: Error executing task on Chunk source main thread executor for minecraft:overworld
net.minecraft.ReportedException: Exception generating new chunk
        at net.minecraft.server.level.ChunkMap.lambda$scheduleChunkGeneration$34(ChunkMap.java:1264) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-60]
        at net.minecraft.util.thread.BlockableEventLoop.doRunTask(BlockableEventLoop.java:149) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerChunkCache$MainThreadExecutor.doRunTask(ServerChunkCache.java:1248) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.util.thread.BlockableEventLoop.pollTask(BlockableEventLoop.java:122) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerChunkCache$MainThreadExecutor.pollTask(ServerChunkCache.java:1260) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerChunkCache.pollTask(ServerChunkCache.java:831) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.pollTaskInternal(MinecraftServer.java:1401) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-60]
        at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.pollTask(MinecraftServer.java:1384) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-60]
        at net.minecraft.util.thread.BlockableEventLoop.managedBlock(BlockableEventLoop.java:132) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.waitUntilNextTick(MinecraftServer.java:1362) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-60]
        at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.runServer(MinecraftServer.java:1268) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-60]
        at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.lambda$spin$0(MinecraftServer.java:317) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-60]
        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:833) ~[?:?]

[pulsar dagger]

I mean, you cut off the actual exception there

but 10,000,000 sounds outside wb

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @fierce ravine: https://p.sulu.me/jGKZG9

[pulsar dagger]

if it's a chunk pos

[fierce ravine]

the wb command allows it though

[pulsar dagger]

wdym

like you can teleport out there?

that exception is vanilla wgen code

[peak pulsar]

vanilla worlborder is 30 mil x 30 mil

[pulsar dagger]

yes I know

10,000,000x or z chunkpos would be well over that in blockpos

[peak pulsar]

oh, chunkpos, nvm

[pulsar dagger]

well idk

[fierce ravine]

they're locations though, not chunk pos

my plugin respects worldborder so any location it finds is within that bounds

[pulsar dagger]

you're sure teleporting there doesn't cause it too?

like, try using the same seed in SP and see what happens when you go there

[fierce ravine]

lemme test

lol

when i join i'm at that location

after the server crashed from the chunk gen error

[pulsar dagger]

whats seed/pos

[fierce ravine]

[23:43:37 INFO]: DarkEyeDragon[/127.0.0.1:61246] logged in with entity id 248 at ([world]36061.5, 63.0, -354918.5)
[23:45:53 INFO]: DarkEyeDragon[/127.0.0.1:61264] logged in with entity id 234 at ([world]171.0, 64.95357628820153, 966.0)

seed -6340746453277938574

[pulsar dagger]

36061.5, 63.0, -354918.5?

[fierce ravine]

i cant really validate if those were the original coordinates i rtp'd to though

wait what

you spawn in random locations when you join now?

[pulsar dagger]

if you don't have a spawn set it picks one around the world spawn iirc

[fierce ravine]

omg im stupid LOL i have a test plugin that teleports me randomly on join

[pulsar dagger]

no error tping here

[fierce ravine]

yeah disregard the ending up on the location on re-joining

works fine when teleporting regularly

i really cant tell if its my plugin or the server fucking up at this point

[vestal ginkgo]

I nuked my .gradle just now and I'm still having the same error :\

[pulsar dagger]

which .gradle

the project one is what I mean

[vestal ginkgo]

I'll try that as well. I nuked my global .gradle 😅

[proud zenith]

just need to nuke paperweight caches basically, which are located in .gradle/caches

(of your project)

[vestal ginkgo]

A new issue has shown up after nuking my .gradle. When editing in my project, everything imports fine, but when building all references to bukkit/spigot/paper related stuff results in a "cannot find symbol" error. For example:

error: cannot find symbol
    NETHERITE("claim.power_type.5", Material.NETHERITE_BLOCK, 4); // 144x144, 72 radius
                                            ^
  symbol:   variable NETHERITE_BLOCK
  location: class Material

[pulsar dagger]

is your java target 17

[vestal ginkgo]

Yes

java {
    toolchain.languageVersion.set(JavaLanguageVersion.of(17))
}

[pulsar dagger]

thats your toolchain

[vestal ginkgo]

options.release.set(17) as well

in my compileJava

[zealous idol]

it's material

[pulsar dagger]

yes

[zealous idol]

their spigot/paper api is outdated

[pulsar dagger]

they are using userdev

[vestal ginkgo]

it also does it for non-Material stuff

[pulsar dagger]

so that would happen if they add an api dep manually

[vestal ginkgo]

error: cannot find symbol
        PersistentDataContainer data = chunk.getPersistentDataContainer();
                                            ^
  symbol:   method getPersistentDataContainer()
  location: variable chunk of type Chunk

[zealous idol]

wait what

we have a manual api dep and use paperweight tho?

heck, we literally have spigot-api, paper-api, and userdev deps

[shrewd cypress]

hey, i have the problem that the colour of the name in the chat of the people that has a team doesnt show, it shows as there werent in any team, this happens from today, when i updated to paper

[pulsar dagger]

er, you really shouldn't

at least not in your adapter project using paperweight

[long edge]

enable use-vanilla-world-scoreboard-name-coloring in paper.yml

[pulsar dagger]

the server added by paperweight depends on the api on it's own

[zealous idol]

OH

yea i just realized it's prob per module

[pulsar dagger]

but it's not transitive to other projects depending on the userdev project

[zealous idol]

and our adapter is an entirely separate module

[pulsar dagger]

yeah that makes sense

[tropic hawk]

How stable is the experimental build atm?

[earnest birch]

Experimental

[umbral shuttle]

How experimental is the stable build

[chrome vigil]

How built are the experimental stable's?

[vestal ginkgo]

How

[loud juniper]

H

[loud juniper]

damn it beat me to it

[peak pulsar]

how exablimerintal is the bastle bdiuld

[arctic oracle]

... what?

[topaz nymph]

(It’s a joke from above)

[languid harbor]

How stable is PaperHQ? 😛

[peak pulsar]

have you ever tried to build a sandcastle on a moving car with dry sand

[languid harbor]

yes, actually

[topaz nymph]

Well, it only gets more stable if people help test it.

Just make sure to take backups frequently, and you’ll be fine!

[languid harbor]

the trick is to use layers of paper towel or toilet paper interspersed between layers of sand as a lattice to help the dry sand keep it's shape
I mentioned paper, so it's on topic, right?? 😂

[peak pulsar]

"yes"

[peak pulsar]

Forget about sandcastles on moving cars and paper -- I'm just curious about @peak pulsar 's bio...

[elder matrix]

anyone know about when 1.18 stable will be released?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[topaz nymph]

But do your part, make sure ur testing and reporting and issues you encounter. 🙂

It helps everyone.

[peak pulsar]

Owen started typing before NeoMan even finished

[elder matrix]

lmao

ye

i saw

yoooo

owen u play sax?

sammeee

[topaz nymph]

Yes, but let’s keep this 1.18 convo. x)

[kindred basalt]

Sentences are a thing, and this is not the right channel for off-topic discussion.

[topaz nymph]

#general is always cozy!!

[peak pulsar]

it's because people think I'm a furry bc of the pfp

my pfp is the transfem fox girl Linux mascot that never caught on

instead we have a dumbass penguin

Kali dragon ftw

ew

[kindred basalt]

[topaz nymph]

#general

[tropic hawk]

How would you determine if it’s stable or not ?

[peak pulsar]

You run it and see what screws up

says Kali user 🤢

lmao

[topaz nymph]

It’s stable when paper officially says it’s stable

But, it can only become that way if people help test the software.

Do your part. 🙂

[peak pulsar]

opin sours

[tropic hawk]

Already ahead of you just wondering is all.
Been working on a testing server but

I’m sure you know the players of servers. Don’t understand what it’s like on the backend haha

[peak pulsar]

run a separate instance on port 25566

[topaz nymph]

Oh of course, no worries!

[tropic hawk]

Demanding for updates and I’m sitting here telling them it’s not stable lol

[tropic hawk]

That’s the plan

[peak pulsar]

To limit system resources, set a world border that's pretty small. Then players can test out 1.18 and just know it's temporary

[tropic hawk]

How would I set that up

[peak pulsar]

world-border plugin and using /wb trim

[sharp zodiac]

would it be smart to update my server from vanilla 1.18 to paper 1.18 expirimental or should I just wait for a stable build?

[topaz nymph]

I’d say go for it! Just please, make backups.

It helps to have all the help for testing updates. 🙂

[tropic hawk]

How often should I make backups

[topaz nymph]

Just note, if something breaks to report it.

[peak pulsar]

Like, daily.

[pulsar dagger]

using rsnapshot or similar they don't take too much space

[sharp zodiac]

Ok. I was just wondering becuase I started said server last saturday and me and a bunch of other people have already made a bunch of progress. How often should I backup?

[topaz nymph]

Daily is probably fine.

As much as you are comfortable with

[peak pulsar]

^ Whenever you build something worth saving

[sharp zodiac]

Ok thanks. I'll make sure to put an annoucement out to the players to make sure they are comfortable with it.

[topaz nymph]

That’s a good idea, but do note that things seem to be pretty good currently.

[sharp zodiac]

Awesome.

Thanks for the help.

[topaz nymph]

No problem, just make sure to report any issues. And feel free to come here if you have any questions or concerns.

[tropic hawk]

How would I setup rsnapshot?

[peak pulsar]

https://github.com/rsnapshot/rsnapshot#rsnapshot-

[merry haven]

Reminds me I need to set up a backup

I do it manually a few times a week

[peak pulsar]

I personally just compress it to a .zip file and put .DATE-BACKUP at the end and that's that

[sharp zodiac]

Will do. Thanks!

[merry haven]

See I've always wondered what a backup would do with chunks that are loaded in while the backuo is running

Would it corrupt region or chunk files?

[peak pulsar]

I've been doing that since 2013 and never had a chunk corruption in my backup

[topaz nymph]

As long as ur just reading it should be fine?

[merry haven]

Okay sounds cool

[topaz nymph]

There’s a chance some may be outdated unless you run /save-all before backing up

But otherwise it should be totally fine.

[merry haven]

I'm sure I could put something like that in an auto restart plugin.

As a command to run or something

[tropic hawk]

How often should I do a backup regardless of expermanrtal or not ? I won’t lye I have been lazy and haven’t set up a backup system yet

[peak pulsar]

the server saves automatically every 5 mins by default

[feral spire]

Daily

[tropic hawk]

Ok

[topaz nymph]

You could!

[merry haven]

Because if you have a cron job that runs after it saves everything and restarts

[tropic hawk]

Or you could run a script or something

[merry haven]

Then it would have basically the most up to date stuff

[peak pulsar]

You can write a .sh script and run it every X hours/days with a crontab

[tropic hawk]

It saves before restarting right

[unique nymph]

It depends on how much work you're willing to lose. If you're willing to lose 6 hours of work, do a backup every 6 hours. Willing to lose more or less work, adjust the backup interval accordingly.

[merry haven]

Depends on storage space

Lol

[peak pulsar]

You can also write a script to automatically delete old ones after maybe 10 or so backups. I prefer backing up manually tho tbh

[tropic hawk]

I need to setup the second drive in the container for backups

So backups are not done to the main ssd

[merry haven]

I got another SSD thats offsite that I can use

I went to SSDs and haven't gone back

Loading lots of small files is so much better

[unique nymph]

Something like this, I think: find '.' -name "*.sql" -maxdepth 1 -ctime +10d -delete

I used that to delete old *.sql backups

[tropic hawk]

I don’t have offsite backups either

[merry haven]

Honestly while waiting to move to 1.18 I might just move stuff to velocity and get tcp shield, then get a backup system in place.

1.18 is jank

[peak pulsar]

I just backup to an external HDD. In case of a fire or while on vacation or something I can just unplug it and have all my backups safe

[tropic hawk]

I have herd

How janky is it actually?

[merry haven]

Like I got it on a test server

And it's just slow lol

And anyone trying to use chunky to load chunks is having memory leaks

And it's slower for clients on their end

Because more crap to load

But I'm happy that they finally have in game audio device switching

[tropic hawk]

Slow ... well I’m gonna see how well it runs with 1gb of ram oh boy

[gentle carbon]

that's mostly mojang, it has to load double the amount in one chunk than before 1.18

[peak pulsar]

1gb ram jeez

[tropic hawk]

My mate is gonna like that, headset dies and it breaks

[pulsar dagger]

the memory leak issue seems to be primarily with upgrading worlds

[tropic hawk]

I got the main server running 4

[merry haven]

Yes but literally upgrading worlds is what everyone wants to do

It's cool to get an extra 64 blocks

Especially for an SMP

Now a factions server it's fine if you reset that

[gentle carbon]

the extra 64 blocks is partly why it loads slow on clients and why the chunks take longer to pre-gen

[merry haven]

Ya but it's still got a memory leak converting

[topaz nymph]

I wonder is this easy to reproduce? Someone should memory dump and analyze it

[pulsar dagger]

it's not that easy

I couldn't reproduce it

[peak pulsar]

I haven't found this issue

[merry haven]

The MOSS discord #chunky channel is really hopping with the memory leaks

[pulsar dagger]

looked over a heap dump as well, couldn't tell you where all the protochunks are coming from

[tropic hawk]

I’m gonna be Pruening the world file prior to porting to 1.18

[pulsar dagger]

regardless if you don't run chunky over the whole world the issue won't present itself as badly

just upgrade as chunks are loaded, there is no need to force upgrade or run chunky over the world

[merry haven]

Some dude there said he went to spigot and ran it then went back to paper

[topaz nymph]

Ah dang

[pulsar dagger]

conversion is not the slow part

at least not with datafixer

converter

[tropic hawk]

What about minecart chuck loaders?

[topaz nymph]

Well dfu yea is much faster thanks to leaf ❤️

[peak pulsar]

I world-border trim everything outside like 1500, then regenerate it with 1.18

[merry haven]

Well rn my SMP is only 5000x5000

I was planning on going to 7000x7000

[topaz nymph]

I didn’t actually realize how many people pregenned chunks, ig it’s much more important now with the serious slow down in 1.18 generation tho

[merry haven]

I just like to have everything pregenned because of dynmap

[peak pulsar]

Definitely helps w/ performance for sure

[merry haven]

I mean I guess I have okay specs for performance so I can go without

A 5900x and as much RAM per world as I want

[topaz nymph]

Well generation should be done async so it’s not like you’d have heavy lag. It’s just resource intensive I’d say?

Unless I’m missing something here

[merry haven]

I try to keep alloted ram to the minimum for garbage collection

[peak pulsar]

Yeah just resource intensive that's all

[merry haven]

Well the current issue is that chunky and world gen has memory leaks

On old converted worlds

But the issues are of because some people haven't reported issues

[topaz nymph]

Well it would help to be able to have those reported… x)

[tropic hawk]

I’m running 4770k and 16gb ram

[merry haven]

Nice

[tropic hawk]

That’s not just for minecraft so I wish I had all of the ram for mc

[merry haven]

Well after covid started, I said screw it and I built a dedicated Minecraft server

[next owl]

does this happen to any of you

server online but discord srv not outputing and players cant join

restart fixes it

[merry haven]

Run it literally for fun

Hmm well my 1.18 test server has discord srv working I believe, let me check

[tropic hawk]

We had a modded server setup but it was lagging both the host and the server so we decided to build a dedicated rig. Some spare parts from my work at the time later and tangy was born

[peak pulsar]

@next owl 1.18 DiscordSRV is working perfectly for me. The fact that players can't join means it may be something going on w/ the network connection to Minecraft on startup?

[next owl]

no no discord srv

not a problem

server not taking any input

or letting players in

restarting fixes everything

[peak pulsar]

So you only have the problem while booting from a shutdown?

[merry haven]

Oh lol sorry lol

[peak pulsar]

So about the timeout thing, the only solution is to wait until 1.18.1 release ? 🥲

[topaz nymph]

Prolly? I though paper had a patch for that, unless that’s handled client side

(I may be thinking of wrong thing)

[next owl]

no after like 40 mins

for server running

when everyone left

then no one could join

till i restarted server

[split steppe]

I've reported it but there aren't much things to do since the crash logs are not useful to fix the issue

[peak pulsar]

my hypothesis

[quasi panther]

overlay which weekday it is

and each contributor's personal schedule (lots of uni finals this week)

there's a bunch of empty checkboxes on https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136 still

[tropic hawk]

which plugin was that?

[silent compass]

What are the current issues... oh i see that lol.

i guess my next question is can I just switch my spigot 1.18 to paper 1.18? I have been told plugins will still work but like.. is this true? do datapacks still work?

[jagged lance]

Yes they do.

[silent compass]

is there anything like crazy wrong with 1.18 version of paper?

any reason not to switch?

[jagged lance]

That's up to you. Look at the issue tracker and if you are comfortable, go ahead and switch.

[silent compass]

well like i dont know this kind of stuff super well. Like do you think it's playable for people on a server, espically versus 1.18 spigot

[rocky nest]

I mean at this point all 1.18 related things should be considered unstable (and should continue to be until at least a few weeks past 1.18.1 release), however there are no known major issues with Paper 1.18 yet

[silent compass]

dope i will switch then..

[amber mica]

just make sure you have regular backups

[silent compass]

yessir

[raven quail]

@silent compass I would say don't switch yet. No need to rush. You can also watcher their main TODO. https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136

[silent compass]

meh i already did it. I could always switch back. I just heard paper > spigot

[peak pulsar]

spigot is for ignorant people

[raven quail]

@silent compass No switch backs I don't think

[silent compass]

it's alright

[raven quail]

For me the temptation is Fabric vs Paper

[silent compass]

Well also @peak pulsar i havnt made a server in like 4 years. spigot was the way to go in 2016

[rocky nest]

Yeah you can switch back to spigot, but like why

[raven quail]

Basically optimised for MMO or highly accurate for technical play

[peak pulsar]

i tried fabric awful performance compared to paper and lack of features to

[raven quail]

I personally have paper

[silent compass]

do you guys know of any warden plugins/datapacks btw?

[rocky nest]

fabric vs paper is like apples vs hippopotamus

[raven quail]

Warden is a bit far off

But I spawned in some sculk sensors

[silent compass]

i mean a basic thing. like him walking and hitting. that was literally in the game already

[raven quail]

And they work well enough in 1.17.1

[silent compass]

i just wanna have the warden

i have a general quesiton. Do Datapacks effect servers?

[dark wigeon]

apples definitely taste better

[rocky nest]

Datapacks will work on servers, yes. However, they almost always come with huge performance impacts, due to how datapacks work

[silent compass]

that was my question. So like, how bad is it to have them?

[rocky nest]

Anything a datapack can do, a plugin can also do, so try to find a plugin alternative

[silent compass]

are plugins just better?

[rocky nest]

correct

[silent compass]

like lets say a silktouch datapack vs a silktouch plugin

(silktouch spawner basic thing)

[rocky nest]

not sure what that is, but the plugin will perform better

[silent compass]

https://www.planetminecraft.com/data-pack/silk-touch-spawners-datapack-1-13/ vs https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/mineablespawners-1-8-1-18-silkspawners-alternative.59921/

[dark wigeon]

i mean, it really depends on the datapack, but i'd say plugins are just easier to modify and more modular

and there's almost never a reason to use a datapack over a plugin

[rocky nest]

also plugins can have configs, permissions, etc etc

[silent compass]

like to me this is such a small datapack idk why i would need ap lguin

like i dont need perms for this it's just a simple thing

[dark wigeon]

is there any reason to use the datapack over the plugin?

[silent compass]

personally: i dont wanna setup perms i have 0 need.

[rocky nest]

yeah looking in the datapack, it will perform like shit compared to a plugin

[silent compass]

and also ALL THIS datapack does is make it so enchantments of silktouch mines the thing.

Really though? like compare the two

[modern lintel]

One player sleep datapack is better than plugin.

Change my mind

[silent compass]

why do you need a datapack for that

[modern lintel]

Oh

[silent compass]

just change the sleep percentage

[modern lintel]

Wrong message sorry

[rocky nest]

The datapack has a bunch of crap that has to run every tick due to datapack limitations, a plugin can do stuff on events i.e. when a spawner is broken, making it infinitely more lightweight

[silent compass]

@modern lintel /gamerule playersSleepingPercentage 1

[silent compass]

hmm

that is actually like useful info without any bias to me. So like hmm.

[rocky nest]

oh you've gotta be kidding me.... ~600 commands for every online player every tick https://f.u11.io/AmJMBP

[silent compass]

damn

wtf

why is not just like one or two

[rocky nest]

Sadly I don't see a better way to do it, datapack limitations strike again

[silent compass]

over-engineered

[modern lintel]

Oh, thats just awful

[rocky nest]

Nope it's not, it's just the same command 591 times with just a couple of values tweaked each time

[silent compass]

there is no way that can't be done better

under-engineered??

[final mango]

Datapacks are extremely limited in functionality

Doing anything interesting is already a hack

[silent compass]

that is why i chose this specific thing. Silk touch spawners seems like something that doesnt need al ot

[rocky nest]

for plugins, it's not. Probably like 30 lines of code

[silent compass]

hmm

[final mango]

Except it requires reading NBT and conditionally executing a command to drop a specific item (also with specific NBT) at a specific location. And you must do all of this without if statements.

[dapper lotus]

There is literally 0 brain power in the custom function stuff and pretty much anything "comlex" you do is basically just going to result into a complete utter horror show

[silent compass]

so i have a question then. and sorry this is off-topic. In the permissions.yml can i just throw
"mineablespawners.mine"

in there like on it's own

[dapper lotus]

many basic things completely devolve into a horror show of complexity fast because of how limited it is

use a permissions plugin.

[rocky nest]

LP ❤️

[silent compass]

no i am sayin can i just do that

[dapper lotus]

(Because, no, you can't, it doesn't work like that)

[silent compass]

ah

oof i hate permission plugins dude it's just so much extra nonsense i dont wanna deal with

[dark wigeon]

everything's extra nonsense to you it seems

[rocky nest]

LP's web editor makes it pretty painless

[dapper lotus]

I mean

[rocky nest]

https://luckperms.net/download

[silent compass]

well no it's not @dark wigeon . If i want one permission done why am i downloading a whole plugin?

[dark wigeon]

because it's an integral plugin

that you will be able to use for many more things

[dapper lotus]

you are more than welcome to use permissions.yml, I just refuse to provide support for it as many people think that they're gonna avoid so many headaches using it and don't understand basic yaml or reading :L

[rocky nest]

because I garuntee you'll need more permissions

[dark wigeon]

not like it affects performance anyways

[dapper lotus]

the bukkit wiki has guides on how to do it, it is doable for basic stuff, but, otherwise, glhf

[rocky nest]

It's effectively impossible to run a server without a permissions plugin unless you have literally no plugins

[silent compass]

well i dont know that. like to me it's "more files = more effort for the server"

[rocky nest]

I mean servers require effort so...

[dapper lotus]

if it's literally one perm

You slap the plugin in the folder

start it up, run a single command to add it to the default group, and skip off like it's nothing

[silent compass]

no duh lol. i mean the server itself is doing more effort for it. like that is how it seems to me like it will run bad.

[rocky nest]

Nope, LP does everything async so it won't affect performance whatsoever

but in most cases yeah you're right, you don't want to add hundreds of plugins just cause

[peak pulsar]

hi, i use https://github.com/dhouck/anti-creeper-grief but its only working with my "standard" dimensions (overworld,nether,end) .. not with my custiom dimensions, even if its enabled in level.dat ... you think its caused by paper or should i check datapack?

[silent compass]

i would appreciate it kindly if you told me how this works. Like what is this singular command to do this type of thing. My server isn't a plugin intensive thing I just only need like very very few of these. No pay to win or ranks or anything for me it's just default and op

[rocky nest]

/lp group default permission set <the permission> if using luckperms will add <the permission> to everyone

[dapper lotus]

^ But I really suggest skimming the "getting started" guide next time you're on the pooper or something

[rocky nest]

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Usage

[dapper lotus]

LP is a pretty powerful plugin and, "I only need it for one perm" is often the start of 20 more and then hey I need somebody to mod...

[rocky nest]

(I need to poke turbo about making the links case insensitive again)

[silent compass]

still wondering what that one command would have been

[vague falcon]

Manchas

[rocky nest]

...

[dapper lotus]

Don't mention

[silent compass]

unless you were reffering to lp.

[dapper lotus]

They literally said it

I was referring to LP

[silent compass]

ah

[dapper lotus]

for perms.yml I refuse to offer support for that file as people generally aim to shoot themselves in the foot and I refuse to go down with them now

https://bukkit.fandom.com/wiki/Permissions.yml#Setting_up_Permissions.yml

[silent compass]

i guess? It's whatever. So with LP do i need to readd all the other permissions other plugins give me by default?

or just new ones

[rocky nest]

By default LP will respect plugin-assigned default permissions

[silent compass]

alrighty

So lol

omg @rocky nest wanna know the difference between datapack and plugin for that one datapack?

half a gigabyte that datapack was using

of ram*

now i wonder if i can repalce this lol: https://www.planetminecraft.com/data-pack/amplified-nether-1-18/ though i dobut it's doing too much damage

Like wow, that was drastic change lol

[rocky nest]

I don't think worldgen datapacks are as bad as most others, but don't quote me on that

[silent compass]

i wouldnt think so either since it would (hopefully) do it on generation

[rocky nest]

yeah poking around it appears to, I have almost no experience reading datapacks though

[silent compass]

This one is cool: https://www.planetminecraft.com/data-pack/technical-enchant-for-1-17/ i wonder if it would poop the game.

I think the only reason the other one was so drastic is because i was running so many lines per second

[rocky nest]

that one almost for sure will cause issues as well

there's plenty of proper plugins for custom enchants

[silent compass]

i like dis one though 😦 . Kidding, well i do. But yes this was a valuable conversation for me

[dapper lotus]

Mojang offer 0 promises that you'll be able to upgrade your world when using a datapack, especially with how volatile they are, etc

[silent compass]

that is quiet true

[lyric cipher]

This take my atention, what is?

[dapper lotus]

ignore them, they're a moron

[loud grail]

has prob be asked a million timez already.. but what do u guys think, how stable is the release rn?

[feral linden]

only 3-4 issues left on the github for 1.18, i think it's starting to be stable

[loud grail]

lol

[feral linden]

nice timing

x)

[timber ridge]

It’s still experimental. So it’s not as stable as a stable build.

Use at your own risk. Take backups. Report bugs.

[peak pulsar]

I used the vanilla tweaks datapacks while upgrading, threw some errors at first but they seem to be fine now. completely anecdotal though

[feral linden]

with 4 public bug left, i think we are past the exp build, it's more like a beta at this point

[loud grail]

yeh yeh but experimental releases can be more or less stable as well

[timber ridge]

There are still patches that are not updated yet.

And those patches have some complex shit in them. So it very likely will get more unstable before a stable build is released.

[loud grail]

sadge

[feral linden]

can you explain a bit more? like paper patch or minecraft patch (like 1.18.1)

[timber ridge]

Paper is built by patching Minecraft.

There are a bunch of patches that do different stuff. Features, bug fixes, performance enhancements, etc. The patches are what makes Paper Paper.

When there’s an update the team goes through and updates all the patches for the new version. They aren’t all done being updated yet.

Once those are updated and the bugs ironed out then it’ll be more stable. But the patches that haven’t been updated yet are patches you want. They’re gonna make stuff better.

[languid lodge]

How many are left?

[jaunty sentinel]

You can look at what is done and what not here: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136

[languid lodge]

Damm they are already down to 6

Does that include Tunity Patches or is it just the OG Paper patches?

[jaunty sentinel]

I think that the one they merged into paper yes, but i dont have confirmed this information

[dapper lotus]

that's from papers patch list

Which, given that tuinitys patch set was made a part of papers...

[languid lodge]

Okay got it, I just didn't know if they were differentiated

[fossil hound]

Is it normal for Paper to Max out the "main" CPU-Core with only two players online? Its running on a i7-8550 at ~3.9GHz effectively

And I dont have any Plugins besides LuckPerms and a small one for moderation (I checked in timings - No time noticeable time spent on either)

[dapper lotus]

CPU usage is a useless metric and unreliable

The vanilla server doesn't "sleep" between ticks too much, like, it sleeps for a few nanoseconds in a loop until the next tick starts

[fossil hound]

Yeah... but when a core is at 100%, there is no room for any faster execution

And I almost never reach 20TPS

[dapper lotus]

Basically, no, it's not normal, but CPU load counters have been inaccurate for years so using just that as a factor means nothing

provide timings, etc

[fossil hound]

Huh... I might just ask the Players WTF they are doing first... Just wanted to make sure Im not chasing ghosts

[languid lodge]

them building 5 lag machines

[fossil hound]

Nah... Im pretty sure they are not, and the timings give no indication they do... But they might travel at max elytra speed for great distances or something...

[peak pulsar]

chunky can help with that

err

not chunky

a pregen plugin

[languid lodge]

Is Chunky prone to bugs on 1.18?

[burnt portal]

same here, at less start from 1.16.4... I forgot 1.8.x same or not. mc just use single core for almost everything

[next owl]

yea

it won't work for me

when somone dies

my server crashes most of the time

no other lag or anything

constant 20 tps

but only this problem

[dapper lotus]

chunky literally just loads chunks

nothing more, nothing less

there is a known leak which only seems to impact people running chunky over existing worlds

[next owl]

yes

that is affecting me

[dapper lotus]

which is nothing to do with chunky itself afaik

[next owl]

ye

any even

fcp does that

i can't pregen

[next owl]

maybe is it because my server render is set to 18?

[ocean copper]

That could definitely be a key factor >.>

[solid stratus]

running it on a fresh world it starts to lag out after a while too...

[dapper lotus]

don't mention

[ocean copper]

Ran chunky 2 days ago on a 50k x 50k worldborder. took almost a day, but didnt find any issues. Guess i was lucky.

[solid stratus]

started at a nice 12 cps then it drops to 3, time for a restart... /chunky pause restart /chunky continue

[ocean copper]

12???????

[dapper lotus]

12 is much slower than the lows I've seen on 1.18, noting that the chunk gen slowed down significantly

[ocean copper]

I was doing 50-70 on average

compared to 120+ on 1.17.1

[dapper lotus]

pause and continue working either basically confirms my sus or says that your issue is 100% irrelevant to what I've been generally seeing

so, there is that

[ocean copper]

You did close your server for this right? you dont have people playing?

[dapper lotus]

chunky just loads chunks

if it's what I think it is, not having players on can cause some fun issues due to how mc processes stuff

[ocean copper]

Could you elaborate Electroniccat?

[dapper lotus]

my suspicion is that there is some process which is basically backing up

having players on allows for some areas of the code to be called more often which can aleviate that

[next owl]

it happens even on 0 players

[dapper lotus]

-.-

[next owl]

my max was 11 cps

then many errors

and i stoped it

[ocean copper]

That makes sense electroniccat, does not explain why chunky works a magnitude times faster on an empty server than with even a single player on standing around.

Im semi confused over "just loads chunks" though.

I thought it generated the chunks before a player loads them the first time, thus skipping the generation part and going straight to the loading part when a player discovers a chunk.

[dapper lotus]

from an API perspective, that's just a load

[proud zenith]

chunky really just asks paper to load a chunk

[dapper lotus]

the nature of loading, upgrading data, generating, is 100% hidden

[proud zenith]

with the generate flag set to true

[dapper lotus]

having players on moving around, etc, causes stuff like the distance manager to be ticked more

[ocean copper]

Yea, so it requests a bunch of chunks, incase they have never been loaded before, it generates them, unloads them and moves on to the next bunch. right? or is my logic wrong here?

[dapper lotus]

not having players on allows for more sleep time between ticks for it to do other stuff

The entire system is overly nuanced and complex

[proud zenith]

chunky does afaik not explicitly mark chunks to be unloaded, paper just does it after a while

[ocean copper]

So, question then.

Is pregenning with chunky or other filler plugins worthwhile?

I personally noticed lag dissapearing when many players were exploring pregenerated chunks compared to non pregenerated chunks

[next owl]

sryyy

[dapper lotus]

mostly, no

Like, I recommend pregening spawn, but, for the aspects of most servers, spawn is the rea which is heavily loaded by people wandering around that area and then people tend to branch off

it's only when you hit sync loads that it 100% matters, otherwise the load of most users is generally negligable

[next owl]

spawn is already generated

btw is it common that sleeping or dying causes crash

[dapper lotus]

No.

[next owl]

oh

it happens to me

[dapper lotus]

Literally only you is reporting of the server just randomly dying from shit like dying or sleeping

[ocean copper]

Hmm, makes sense. I guess the availability of a /wild or /rtp means more chunks get requested by more players faster due the lack of incremental exploration. It immediately dumps people into the wild, having to generate the whole area right away instead of gradually.

[ocean copper]

You most likely have not enough hardware power to run all the things your server is doing. Thus crashing, could be a myriad of issues.

[proud zenith]

yes, with lots of random access pregenerating is useful

[next owl]

hmm what specs you recommend also it didn't happen in 1.17.1

[ocean copper]

Yea thats usually when i noticed chunkgeneration being the laggiest. When streamers started spamming my SMP in their chat for viewers to join, and a dozen new peeps join in and smash the /randomtp command

[dapper lotus]

hm

the region manager is eating shit from the dump I have...

[ocean copper]

This is a bad question. You should look at what you want to do with your server, and then find hardware that fits that.

[next owl]

it is a smp

mostly 8 ppl play

at a time

and i allocated 7g

[ocean copper]

7gb for 8 players?

[next owl]

yes

[ocean copper]

Well, unless you piled in a ton of plugins, you should never run out of ram

[next owl]

idk

[Thu, 9. Dec 2021 13:01:21 EET INFO] Plugins (15): AuthMe, CoreProtect, DiscordSRV, EasySetSpawn*, EpicGuard*, Essentials, EssentialsChat, InventoryRollbackPlus, LuckPerms, ProtectionStones, TAB, UltimateAutoRestart, Vault, WorldEdit, WorldGuard

this is all i have

[fickle pawn]

authme 🤮

[next owl]

[ocean copper]

I've never used authme, thats for cracked places right?
Easysetspawn, wouldnt essentialsSpawn do the same thing?
Inventoryrollbackplus, doesnt CoreProtect do this?
Protectionstones???
UltimateAutoRestart?????????

[next owl]

i don't want sooo much essentials

and ir rollback for joins and deaths

and ps is for land claiming

[ocean copper]

So.. literally 2 things essentialsspawn does, probably more efficient too

Altho no direct experience, so not 100% sure, just doing a guess.

But start taking regular timings reports, log the TPS, keep track of what players are doing when TPS drops or the MSPT spikes

That way you can start to determine why your server is acting up

[next owl]

okkk

tps never really drops

it just sudden crashes

[ocean copper]

Only time i have abrupt crashes is when i get a bunch of dumbasses standing around at badly build goldfarms in the nether. Or someone watched that shithole of a Grian and recreated their boat bomb bullshit

[next owl]

also tpa also seems weird

[ocean copper]

"seems weird" is a very unspecific definition

[next owl]

it crashes the server too

[ocean copper]

That... actually makes little to no sense

especially without context

what is in the chunks the player TPA's from
what is in the chunks the player TPA's to?

The only time i've seen that happen is when people TPA'd away from Ilmango's server crashing portalbased goldfarm. Which i then promptly deleted from the world >.>

[next owl]

leme lower sim and view distance

and check

[ocean copper]

No point having simulation distance over 8 chunks. (128blocks)

Renderdistance over 10, eh, it looks nice, but with the fog etc it doesnt even work right. Unless you use mods to remove the fog.

[next owl]

ye i changed now sim to 6 and view to 10

before it was 8 and 18

[ocean copper]

simulation at 6 means you wont tick farms etc that are 128 blocks away to your NWSE, only above and below.

[next owl]

oh

then

what should i set to

[ocean copper]

8 at the most, mobs etc despawn after 128 blocks unless you changed that. I intend to keep mine the same distance as i allow mobs to be active in.

Although to save load during primetime, probably limiting it to the same 5 chunks i set the render distance at.

No point ticking things people cant see.

[next owl]

oh ok

I will leave it at 6

[ocean copper]

Dont forget to inform your players of that change. Some might have to move AFK spots in farm areas to be able of covering all their farms in the area.

[next owl]

okk

[ocean copper]

Anyway, even though the current paper builds are relatively stable (ive been on #20 since they released that one), i do agree with paperMC's message of NOT using the experimental builds on LIVE servers.

Downgrade to Spigot 1.18 (even though it is far less stable as spigot always is compared to paper) if you really want to play with your friends online.

Upgrade to paper once they start releasing stable 1.18.1 builds.

Im personally most likely waiting on paper 1.18.1 before opening my servers.

Mojang dropped 1.18.1pre-1 monday i think? its already out on Bedrock, expecting it within 14 days for java.

[next owl]

oh then its ok 14 days is fine

and a week for paper

[dapper lotus]

hm, 6G of regions

1275 pending chunk unloads...

[ocean copper]

dafuq?

[dapper lotus]

So, that' not enough there as far as I feel

[ocean copper]

thats 7 players worth of chunks?

[next owl]

what?

[dapper lotus]

or, am dumb

nvm me apparently

The dump I have is showing some other bug

if people ar ehaving issues with chunky draining them out of ram, I'd need a heap dump

[viscid lily]

Someone know when MC 1.18.1 will be available?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[brisk gazelle]

12 Dec 2021: https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Java_Edition_1.18.1

[viscid lily]

Thanks!

[earnest birch]

You mean 13th. Sunday isn't a working day.

[night gale]

Well, it says this week, so then it'd be either today or tomorrow.

Not sure why the general text and the infobox mention different dates, but considering the 12th isn't a working day like you said, I'm gonna follow the infobox

[brisk gazelle]

There is no point of arguing the date. Its what the Wiki says. By the way this have nothing to do with Paper 1.18 Experimental. Lets keep it short.

[earnest birch]

I assume it's today. Since releasing on Fridays isn't the best to do. 😆

[night gale]

Yeah, today would be nice

[spare trail]

according to the infobox, 1.18.1 released last week, so I think we can safely ignore that lmao

[polar quarry]

1.18.1 hasnt been released

[spare trail]

obviously

[polar quarry]

yes very obvious

[spare trail]

according to the infobox

I think we can safely ignore that lmao

[polar quarry]

oh ok

[spare trail]

I'm hoping it comes out today or tomorrow, been waiting for 1.18.1 to update personally, and those fog fixes will be nice for sure

[peak pulsar]

ur right

still i just wanna confirmation bias post 😦

[next owl]

truuuuuuuu

btw reducing sim and render distance stoped crashing ig

it its been 1.5 hours

[next owl]

fabric is just vannila with extra steps with mods

[next owl]

also data pack is lagier than a plugin

it is always on

but plugin only uses hardware when triggered

[ancient sage]

• data packs have to do a lot more to get the wanted results. Not very efficient

[peak pulsar]

Has there been any reports of Paper 1.18 corrupting worlds? I literally need to have a 1.18 world generated without any issues and I want to know if that'll be fine on the latest Paper. (Eg have the generate random feature-seeds working, etc)

[topaz nymph]

I mean, not tmk, but if any issue occurs you should report it and try to reproduce. As long as you make backups if anything happens you’ll be fine.

[autumn comet]

There have been reports of user faults by using force upgrade e.g.

[next owl]

DONT genrate without backup

[polar quarry]

i look pretty often at this channel and nobody has mentioned corruption with new worlds, generating a 1.18 world should be fine. just backup often

[peak pulsar]

I'm literally generating a fresh 1.18 world.

[polar quarry]

you'll be fine, just keep backups

[peak pulsar]

Just want to make sure everything will be fine since this world I'm generating is what I'll be using in production when 1.18.1 releases

[polar quarry]

maybe... if you want to be sure then pregenerate in vanilla+fabric then move to paper?

[peak pulsar]

What about Spigot?

[peak pulsar]

Not pregenerating right now; I need to scramble feature-seeds in paper.yml

[polar quarry]

sorry im not sure what you're asking, spigot generation is the same as paper's

[peak pulsar]

Never mind.

[peak pulsar]

Anyone has an idea? 😬

[feral spire]

Use plugin not datapack @peak pulsar https://github.com/MC-Machinations/VanillaTweaks

Enable anti creeper module on this

[peak pulsar]

Maybe its not working correctly cause i had those dimension import problems .. also stuff like rain is everywhere indoor and stuff like that

[next owl]

if you use a plugin

it will have options for world settings

and custom Worlds

[peak pulsar]

Thank you for Plugin hint! ill check that 🙂

[feral spire]

Wait you only want it to happen in certain world?

[next owl]

and why do you use data packs while on bukkit

[feral spire]

Don’t creeper only spawn in overworld?

[next owl]

it can spawn on custom worlds

ig

[feral spire]

You will use world edit then

I mean worldguard

[next owl]

[polar quarry]

worldedit+worldguard are overkill for just stopping creeper explosions

[feral spire]

Deny creeper griefing globally in the world you don’t want that

[peak pulsar]

At thw moment is okay for me if its global setting for every world, its important for my original overworld and also old 1.17 imported overworld (now working as custom dimension)

[next owl]

i use for school

[shrewd cypress]

okey thank you very much

[peak pulsar]

I want the explosion, but not the broken blocks

[next owl]

hmm then plugin

would be better

[peak pulsar]

The data pack had perfect features for my case, but there is something wrong with some of my dimensions so i should look for plugins and chdck if there is still the same problen

[tender gale]

this would be great as a WorldGuard flag

[peak pulsar]

Thanks guys

[proven crest]

who wanted the heapdump for the leak when using chunky to upgrade on existing 1.17.1?

I can't mp or tag electronicat

[next owl]

cat wanted

[fervent fog]

is it normal that my chunks in the latest paper version are gerneration really slow. especially in the nether.

[next owl]

no

[fervent fog]

hm

i have to re connect to my server to get the chunks generating xd

[tight sail]

Not had any issues at all personally

[gusty trench]

Yes, 1.18 chunks take way longer to gen

Or do you mean compared to previous previous 1.18 Paper versions?

[polar quarry]

do you mean "latest paper version" as in "build 63 is slower than build 62"?

1.18 in general has slower world gen

but if you mean specifically a paper build... that might be a bug

[golden citrus]

Is that also the reason for such high memory usage for 1.18?

[polar quarry]

eh its not that much higher than 1.17.1

[autumn comet]

Java will use what you told it to use. Versions don't magically """use""" more memory itself.

[polar quarry]

the world is twice as tall so yea theres going to be increased memory, but it shouldnt be that much compared to 1.17

[golden citrus]

Hmmm okay, might have to give paper a go, cause im trying to run a close to vanilla server, and it keeps using up all of my memory and going OOM

[polar quarry]

b r u h

i assumed you were using paper since you are in the channel where we discuss the experimental paper builds in the server where we talk about paper

[golden citrus]

Nah, just thought to ask if it was minecraft in general

[polar quarry]

if you need a vanilla server then you might be able to patch some performance with fabric and phosphor, lithium, carpet, krypton, starlight, hydrogen, etc

but paper is definitely going to perform better than the vanilla jar

lots of optimizations by smart people in there 😄

[golden citrus]

Have to give it all a go again, and enable the dupe patches, so the players can have the vanilla experience still

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[cloud phoenix]

?

[clever delta]

it has been 6 minutes maybe now there is an eta

[bold forge]

Bot was feeling lonely

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[jaunty oyster]

omfl 😂

[clever delta]

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[deep wave]

its been 12 mins maybe now theres an eta

[autumn comet]

You don't need to spam commands every x amount in topic channels.

[deep wave]

its funny tho hehe

[autumn comet]

No, it clutters topics. If you want to spam bot commands for sake for wasting time, use #bot-spam

[sick jolt]

What percent done is 1.18

[half walrus]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136#issuecomment-982297893

[hoary atlas]

my server keeps becoming unresponsive

no crash log

[gusty trench]

Timings?

[solid goblet]

@devout musk that java 17 build is out of date

that docker image for whatever reason ships the EA of it

there's a better docker image to use nowadays iirc, cant remember what its called though, if you search the server you'll probabl find it

[peak pulsar]

I've seen most people use openjdk:17-slim

[covert jolt]

temurin best

[hoary atlas]

still unresponsive...

[dapper lotus]

if ptero, reduce Xmx

[hoary atlas]

8gb too much?

[dapper lotus]

I mean, big issue is that people hit the memory limit in ptero and that causes it to pause the process basically