❗-1-18-experimental

[void nebula]

so previous stable took month

June 6 -> July 7

[feral spire]

Each release has different challenges so how long it takes last time has zero relationship on this time

[inner crypt]

It's unlikely we will remove the warning before 1.18.1, so much I can say, lol

[feral spire]

famous last word mini

[deft fog]

I didn’t want to put pressure on you, my messages were not like an order, and I also don’t have the habit of commanding someone. But sorry if it sounded that way.

There won't be any more stupid question like this, I just didn't think you were specifying after what number the stable build starts.

But thanks.

That you put up with people like me.

👋

[heady grail]

That or people just have backups anyway because it's a sensible thing to do...

[feral spire]

It should only spam you once

Just let it go in log? I mean file is prettttttttty small

I think it prints each time you convert a chunk

[pulsar dagger]

if thats your fork you should rename it from NeatSpigot to NeatPaper

idk why people always call paper forks "spigots"

fair enough

[feral spire]

Also that background of yours I thought it was oily monitor

[pulsar dagger]

it's mountains

I see how it can look like oil now

[feral spire]

I am on phone so it only shows 1/5 lol

[dark wigeon]

wow is that the new 1.18 generation

[feral spire]

I thought it was my phone then I thought it was your monitor then I realized it’s BG lmao

[pulsar dagger]

[peak pulsar]

mcm flashbacks

[knotty fiber]

00:52:05 ERROR: The server has stopped responding! This is (probably) not a Paper bug.
00:52:05 ERROR: If you see a plugin in the Server thread dump below, then please report it to that author
00:52:05 ERROR: Especially if it looks like HTTP or MySQL operations are occurring
00:52:05 ERROR: If you see a world save or edit, then it means you did far more than your server can handle at once
00:52:05 ERROR: If this is the case, consider increasing timeout-time in spigot.yml but note that this will replace the crash with LARGE lag spikes
00:52:05 ERROR: If you are unsure or still think this is a Paper bug, please report this to https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues
00:52:05 ERROR: Be sure to include ALL relevant console errors and Minecraft crash reports
00:52:05 ERROR: Paper version: git-Paper-22 (MC: 1.18)
00:52:05 ERROR: ------------------------------
00:52:05 ERROR: Server thread dump (Look for plugins here before reporting to Paper!):
[3108.855s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start thread - pthread_create failed (EAGAIN) for attributes: stacksize: 1024k, guardsize: 0k, detached.
[3108.858s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start thread - pthread_create failed (EAGAIN) for attributes: stacksize: 1024k, guardsize: 0k, detached.
[3108.861s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start thread - pthread_create failed (EAGAIN) for attributes: stacksize: 1024k, guardsize: 0k, detached.

why

[pulsar dagger]

update

[inner crypt]

22

[polar quarry]

wish server admins could configure max message length so people dont paste their logs in chat

[dapper lotus]

These are still early builds, you should be looking into updating often...

also, if ptero, you'll potentially wanna look at increasing the PID limit in the wings config

[polar quarry]

also, type /version to check how many versions behind you are. latest is #53

[lethal orbit]

are there any issues known with regards to whitelisting?

[dapper lotus]

Nope

Only "issues" i know regarding that is people switching the online mode setting or something

[lethal orbit]

I'm on the latest version, no plugins nor datapacks, only 1 player, fresh whitelist keeps insisting user is not whitelisted

[dapper lotus]

are you using a bungee or something?

[lethal orbit]

no

[dapper lotus]

offline mode?

[lethal orbit]

online

[dapper lotus]

stop the server, delete the usercache file, and try to join and then whitelist

There are some nuances around the lookups for user names so sometimes just joining and then whitelisting can clean up oddities there

[lethal orbit]

ok I'll try, thanks

That seems to have done the trick! thanks!

[acoustic burrow]

I have paper reporting errors with NPCs craned in small areas, does anyone have this? The server doesn’t crash, you just get the “do not report to paper” notice…..

Which I am reporting….(sorry

[languid lodge]

Gangster over here reporting the don't report to paper

[languid lodge]

I think there was such an issue

in build 41-42

and then they undid what caused it

Are you on the latest build?

[acoustic burrow]

Okay I’ll update!

Thanks

[languid lodge]

:))

[ruby sail]

Did 1.18 vanilla change in any significant way?

I keep waiting for them to do a big performance update themselves too

[pulsar dagger]

worldgen is way slower

[loud grail]

pregen everything

is the best thing to do anyway

[toxic comet]

As every new update 😂

It started from like 1.12

[vapid prawn]

They have a reason for it this time

[sturdy basalt]

its started on 1.13 ^^

[worthy thunder]

Should I leave a bug report 'bout the goat stuff, or did you guys already look into fixing it?

[warped spruce]

That creates a massive world size on your disk though, no?

[arctic rover]

yeah but it helps performance so much

it’s worth it

[loud grail]

i mean.. yo have to have a worldborder anyway... if u dont pregen u just prolong the process

people expolring will load the chunks anyway

but then u will have all the lag

[covert jolt]

? ? ?

[peak pulsar]

hi may i ask something that not about paper?

[covert jolt]

#general

[timber parcel]

It seems that the wheel click event is not working in the plug-in GUI. Is there a solution to this? Paper 1.18 #54 build is being used.

[hallow creek]

client bug, fixed for 1.18.1 iirc

[hollow wind]

So many reverts

[half walrus]

https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/

[uneven pagoda]

What version of log4j2 is inside paper?

I'm confused what version need to use via maven

[acoustic burrow]

Is anti X-ray causing a lot of bandwidth lag for you guys?

Don’t think there is any tps lag

[odd stirrup]

it sends more packets

so it will do something like that, but i doubt it will have that much effect

[mortal token]

i doubt that you players with potatos

[dapper lotus]

The thing needs to rewite the contents of a chunk packet

So, yea, it adds on a millisecond or two

and then theres the compressability which is impacted, etc

[burnt portal]

I build latest 1.18 version without both 0826-Highly-optimise-single-and-multi-AABB-VoxelShapes-an.patch and 0827-Optimise-collision-checking-in-player-move-packet-ha.patch. Seems not stuck in net.minecraft.world.level.CollisionGetter.findFreePosition(CollisionGetter.java:110) again.
need more time for sure.

[acoustic burrow]

I mean each player seems to be using 2m bandwidth, on a view distance of 7

😂

Something must not be right here

[mortal token]

or is it?

[acoustic burrow]

Please send me a paperchan gif

[acoustic burrow]

Is there a link where I can get a file

[terse hamlet]

yes

[half walrus]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[solemn stone]

hello everyone, please help, worldguard is running at 1.18, and worldedit is not working, the server shuts down after about an hour, how to use worldguard? 😦

[late root]

Any information in logfiles about the shutdown?

[feral spire]

Pls download latest worldedit

[solemn stone]

is everything working fine for you?

[vivid bluff]

Yes.

[spice hazel]

aternos moment

the server quite lagged before shutting down improperly

[unique basin]

dont aternos

just dont

[spice hazel]

its the only thing we can currently use

unfortunately

[feral spire]

Post full logs if you need help.

Screenshot doenst count

Also aternos is a free host so you ain’t going far

[spice hazel]

fair enough

[solemn stone]

here's what they wrote to me, but I reinstalled the plugin, I hope it won't happen again:(

[spice hazel]

well sorry for like rushing here having just a screenshot of the logs, and i dont need help since i can downgrade

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @solemn stone: https://paste.gg/8b6b1342282e43a2aa41d5aa69f4575e

[spice hazel]

thanks

[dapper lotus]

god

imagine if the error was literally in plain english...

[warm ravine]

Reading hard

[candid flower]

Is this a documented bug or an extremely rare fluke? https://youtu.be/qGldjtGJZlc

Paper 1.18 Build 54

[solemn stone]

omg, I want to live

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[loud grail]

._.

[feral spire]

Can you reliably recreate it? Are those block colliding with you?

[dapper lotus]

It's almost like, an eta is an eta, and, like, we never you know, have an ETA; as we literally keep stating

[feral spire]

How are the other stuff behaving in the same chunk? Does entity moves? @candid flower

[void viper]

Is 1.16 -> 1.17 a smaller update compared to 1.17 - 1.18?

[candid flower]

@feral spire I just rejoined the server and, well... it disappeared, destroyed that block. However, the seed where it happened is 2563536875497305525 and the coords were -1500 55 -2791.

[sour token]

in terms of api changes yes definitely

[feral spire]

Next time try to observe the entities around the chunk and see if they also behave weirdly @candid flower

[candid flower]

I will - and I'll maybe recreate the world, see if it happens again

[scarlet haven]

[17:21:47 ERROR]: --- DO NOT REPORT THIS TO PAPER - THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A CRASH - git-Paper-53 (MC: 1.18) ---
[17:21:47 ERROR]: The server has not responded for 33 seconds! Creating thread dump
[17:21:47 ERROR]: ------------------------------
[17:21:47 ERROR]: Server thread dump (Look for plugins here before reporting to Paper!):

help

[candid flower]

@feral spire I recreated the server and went to the same location. A bunch of sand fell, but this time it did not reoccur. Probably a freak fluke.

[feral spire]

Ok. It does look cool though

[feral spire]

Send full logs but seeing that weird number of watchdog, I will say your server is probably overloaded

[scarlet haven]

А где модний журнай найти

and where to find the full journal

Logs?

[solemn stone]

help please

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @solemn stone: https://paste.gg/11aff4e0775d4860ba2767b368c32acc

[peak pulsar]

^

[feral spire]

Told you to download correct version of worldguard above too

[feral spire]

That’s a picture

[raw glen]

the sand is just vibing

[acoustic burrow]

[feral spire]

@solemn stone pls actually take your time and read through the page but here is your spoodfeed

https://builds.enginehub.org/job/worldedit

[thorny talon]

Anyone else not able to middle click GUI? (yes, I've checked keybinds and it works in creative lol)

[feral spire]

Known issue on vanilla

[thorny talon]

ahh ok

All these nice GUI plugins and I'm sitting here spamming middle click to see more info haha

[rough stratus]

can someone tell me if theres an issue with animals and villagers dissapearing with paper?

[feral spire]

Test without plugin and give us a reliable way to recreate @rough stratus

[rough stratus]

ill try just wanted to confirm if it was a known issue or not

[dapper lotus]

entities? going missing?

[rough stratus]

yh

[dapper lotus]

That's like

Literally one of the oldest bugs in MC

Mojang literally added logs for when entities die to try to see what's going on

[vapid prawn]

1.17 was probably a bigger update in terms of work that needed to be done, even before you consider it was the first paperweight release

But there were also a few people who basically took a week off work/school to work on it full time

This is why ETAs are impossible, this isn't a full time job for anyone so even if there is less work to do you don't know when someone will have time to do it

And some of the stuff only a small handful of people are easily able to work on

[half walrus]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136#issuecomment-982297893

[inner crypt]

Hey at least I got my beer for that week funded so I guess it was worth it? 😂

[topaz nymph]

The pro German mindset.

[vapid prawn]

🇩🇪 🍻

[steel dagger]

That’s the spirit

But I want you to know: we do not only drink beer.

[inner crypt]

Yet!

[steel dagger]

Fair Point

[dapper lotus]

can confirm

sometimes they drink more beer

okay; Sometimes they drink water

(like, from the toilet?)

[hollow wind]

build 54 is "safe" to be used or something else will be reverted?

[dapper lotus]

you tell us

[steel dagger]

Excuse me? Fake News

[dapper lotus]

don't mention.

[vapid prawn]

Or at least turn off the ping thing on the right when you do it 🙂

[valid turret]

The Worldboarder doesn't work for me in the Nether. Has someone already had the problem or can test it out whether it doesn't work with him either?

[dapper lotus]

version?

[valid turret]

54

[dapper lotus]

The command should be per world now

in earlier builds it was all defaulting to the overworld

ofc, make sure that you don't have the world border plugin interferring if you're expecting the vanilla wb

[vapid prawn]

In vanilla I think it sets the nether one automatically based on the overworld one

[valid turret]

yes true

[dapper lotus]

they changed that in 1.18, spigot ended up adding the "get current world" stuff back

[vapid prawn]

But CraftBukkit made them per-world and the problem was the command in 1.18 wasn't updated to also be per-world, it just happened to work because Mojang did

[mystic lichen]

Are there changes in the world generation between the different versions? So can I start with the latest 1.18 version and then upgrade without having sharp generation edges? (Of course with daily backups)

[dapper lotus]

I mean, yea

But, they're generally small enough to not care

[vapid prawn]

If you're trying to get the vanilla behavior you'll have to do the math yourself and change the nether border to match what you do in the overworld

[mystic lichen]

with different versions i meant the different patches of the paper patches :)

[dapper lotus]

No

we don't touch world gen outside of the odd bug here and there

[mystic lichen]

okay! So i can basically can upgrade the paper patches without destroying my world, right?

[dapper lotus]

yes

[valid turret]

okey thanks

[mystic lichen]

Great! Thankd

[vapid prawn]

Except, you know, if a bug in vanilla, spigot, or paper eats your world

Probably won't happen now if it hasn't yet but not all of the tuinity stuff has been updated yet and I think some of what's left messes with chunks

And some of it apparently had a bit of a revert war earlier trying to fix a bug with it

[dapper lotus]

one revert

the other two where me reverting spigots shit 😄

[sick canyon]

I’m on 1.18 vanilla right now due to popular demand from my server base, is 1.18 experimental reliable for everyone?

[vapid prawn]

It's probably not any less stable than vanilla 1.18 but.... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

You know, test, backup, etc

[half walrus]

https://startmc.sh/

[mystic lichen]

so you wouldn't recommend playing with it on a server? Should I use the Vanilla 1.18 and then use the paper version if it is stable enough?:)

[dapper lotus]

use your own judgement

These are still early builds, you should defo be testing especially as there are some raunchy ones in the pipeline, etc

[vapid prawn]

No one is screaming about the latest build right now so it should at least mostly work

But don't just blindly upgrade to a newer build later, test each update

You should do that anyway but especially right now

[mystic lichen]

okay!

[vapid prawn]

And of course there is still a chance you'll have to roll back to a backup from before 1.18

But if you're making a new world that's less likely and would just mean making a new world again

[sick canyon]

I think I’ll wait until the full version, most plugins haven’t updated to 1.18 yet anyway I believe

[vapid prawn]

There won't be a "full version"

Everything I've said is true for any build of Paper

Eventually they'll just either decide the remaining patches aren't needed or no one is going to do them any time soon and they'll have some time where no one is reporting severe issues and decide "yeah, this is probably okay" and remove the experimental tag

Doesn't mean the next build is any less likely to blow up your server

[hollow wind]

so the worldborder command is safe to be used?

[tired whale]

Any specific reason you're using the worldborder command? Using ChunkyBorder* is a better bet.

[dapper lotus]

er, wa?

[hollow wind]

i have just to restrict the world border, i don't want to pre-generate chunks

[amber mica]

that seems like a bad idea considering how slow chunk gen is nowadays

[tired whale]

Ah I see. Does setting the shape and radius in Chunky not do that? Do you have to generate in order for it to set?

[vapid prawn]

I think you're mixing up the old worldborder plugin and the vanilla command?

Or do you mean ChunkyBorder which is a separate plugin and only makes sense to use if you want a custom shape, I think

[fierce ravine]

i had to specifically state the vanilla wb in my plugin cuz people would think i was talking about the plugin lol

[tired whale]

Yeah I totally am thinking of ChunkyBorder. I use both of them at the same time and forget they're different plugins.

[fervent lynx]

ChunkyBorder is really only useful if you need a non square border or if you have people bypassing the vanilla border in some way that you don't want

[tired whale]

Yeah that's it. I almost always use a circular border. But also, I thought for some reason it's best to avoid the vanilla worldborder command regardless. I guess that's not the case unless you want a different shape.

[feral spire]

Also for people who wants no ugly vanilla border @tired whale

[flat pawn]

is anyone haveing tps issues

im am having really bad tps issues were one day it works fine the next it is at 5

and no one knows why

[feral spire]

Post timings

/timings report

And post link here

[flat pawn]

ok

[analog granite]

Does anyone use 1.18 on there server? if so how has it been or should i wait longer to update

[flat pawn]

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=61ff52c8c2064a9f861dde36d7a80e95

i have it has been a rough ride

i would wait

[covert jolt]

your hardware is horrible

[flat pawn]

why

[fervent lynx]

timingcost: 14437

oh boy

[covert jolt]

that

that number should be below 150

[flat pawn]

well i never had problems with 1.17

[covert jolt]

what are you hosting this on

[flat pawn]

server hardware

[covert jolt]

yes

what hardware

[sour token]

you know, the one

[feral spire]

Michael means models and makes

[flat pawn]

2 Xeon® CPU X5690 @ 3.47GHz 96gb of ram

[covert jolt]

yeah that's horrible

that's a struggle for 1.17 and it's impressive that you'd have a smooth experience on 1.17 with that

but 1.18 is going to be a bit heavier than 1.17

[sour token]

> 96gb ram holy crap
> sees Xeon
> :0

[dapper lotus]

~12 year old CPU is not good for gaming

[covert jolt]

xeons are fine

[feral spire]

It’s the year it is released on Thsts the issue

[sour token]

not to pair with 96gb ram

[covert jolt]

you're also running this in a virtualized environment to make matters worse

[flat pawn]

ok

[gentle carbon]

╎ run my server on ᔑ pentium and it somehow doesn’t run the worst lol

[feral spire]

Your CPU is old enough to play Minecraft @flat pawn

[sour token]

there is no single thing you can run on a Xeon to make it use 96gb ram

[covert jolt]

there's plenty of things

[final mango]

plenty. for sure.

[sour token]

memoryleak.exe

end of list

[final mango]

those servers were built as virtualization servers

[covert jolt]

there's this thing called minecraft

[feral spire]

There are other common applications that utilIe ram more

[final mango]

12 years ago they were actually pretty powerful

[gentle carbon]

You can easily hit 96gb

[feral spire]

That’s why most “server” hardware cater toward high RAMs

[final mango]

Sorry homie it's totally possible

[feral spire]

It just so happen Minecraft is very very CPU intensive

[gentle carbon]

╎ still need to upgrade my ram lol, it only has 16gb rn

[covert jolt]

it's possible

[sour token]

I mean, I meant for minecraft

[final mango]

This is 95% minecraft servers

[peak pulsar]

Might just be me, but the swappiness seems a bit on the high side

[dapper lotus]

outside of the ryzen/i9/7 hype, Xeons have been king for MC servers

[gentle carbon]

Meanwhile I’m using none of those

[flat pawn]

so what your saying is to upgrade

[final mango]

it's not, it's because of docker memory limits.

[covert jolt]

what we're saying is that you shouldn't have 12 year old hardware for minecraft

[flat pawn]

would gpu trascoding help

[final mango]

I can't think of a single part of the minecraft server code that would benefit from GPU acceleration

[feral spire]

MC don’t use your graphic card.

[gentle carbon]

Minecraft doesn’t use gpu transcoding, it’s the cpu that matters

[tired whale]

I'm using a E3 1230 V2 and can handle 5 players with plugins no problem. Is this like a shared hosting situation or what?

[dapper lotus]

that's even lower than what most shared hosts will go for

like, that e3 and the CPU they're using

[tired whale]

Oh yeah definitely. It's totally ancient, but even then I haven't had any issues at all with 1.17 or 1.18 so far. At least for 5 or so players concurrently.

I don't have a timings report, but mspt has stayed under 25 or so ever since I started testing 1.18.

[tired whale]

Also, are you playing minecraft while you host from that computer? My E3 1230 is running Proxmox and is specifically dedicated to running the server. No gaming. My single core is less than 10% better than yours, and I'm not having issues. BUT I'm also only running like 3 plugins right now. You're probably going to have to simplify, or upgrade hardware.

[sick hearth]

what cpu?

[fickle fossil]

while of course the general recommendation is don't use paper 1.18 on a production server realistically if i were to backup everything what could happen

surely it has reached a point where nothing too bad would happen

[rocky nest]

There's no known major issues yet, so as long as you have backups, you're probably fine.
Remember, if you haven't tested your backups, you don't have backups

[sick hearth]

I have incremental backups every 3 hours and retention of 4 hourly, 5 daily, 4 weekly, 6 monthly

although it's just a private smp, not really a prod server

[gentle carbon]

I’ve had no issues so far on my testing server, but ╎ can’t speak for production since I’m not able to update yet

[peak pulsar]

Ah, okay

[half plume]

What is your plugin for that ?

[rocky nest]

Backups shouldn't be done by a plugin.

[half plume]

That's true

Just wanted it as for a server of 1 or 2 people we don't need to be that strict and we are more looking for simplicity

[old talon]

I would just set it up during a restart

to make a copy

[late root]

Some informations bout that? Would like to do also incremental backup instead of full backup at the moment. I shutdown the server, do a full backup (without web map tiles) and then move to a backup storage.

[old talon]

or manually do it

[rocky nest]

I personally use borg (set up to take a backup every restart and every hour) https://f.u11.io/cMxgGL

[late root]

Ill have to check how to use this in pterodactyls environment. Locking the world save is mandatory for me. Therefore, my old way was to shutdown the server (sqlite databases, flat-files)

[upbeat seal]

I haven't seen it mentioned much but Duplicati has always performed well for me for incremental backups.

[sterile light]

what software/plugin are u using to see these?

[late root]

Its called htop. :x

[sterile light]

:0

[late root]

Its a ~~command ~~ program used on the terminal of the host. Not on minecraft server.

[sterile light]

ye

[frosty elm]

Hey I cant include the paperweight plugin in my gradle project I just get

* Exception is:
org.gradle.api.plugins.UnknownPluginException: Plugin [id: 'io.papermc.paperweight.userdev', version: '1.3.1'] was not found in any of the following sources:

- Gradle Core Plugins (plugin is not in 'org.gradle' namespace)
- Plugin Repositories (could not resolve plugin artifact 'io.papermc.paperweight.userdev:io.papermc.paperweight.userdev.gradle.plugin:1.3.1')
  Searched in the following repositories:
    Gradle Central Plugin Repository...

[rocky nest]

I believe you need to add the paper repo for plugins, which you haven't done

[half walrus]

https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight-test-plugin

[long edge]

correct ^

see the example plugin, in settings.gradle.kts

[frosty elm]

thank you

[tired whale]

Going off _11, I'm using borgmatic. It's really easy to setup and use.

[flat pawn]

i am only using that computer for servers

[tired whale]

Are you running multiple servers?

[flat pawn]

yes

[tired whale]

Well there's your problem lol. You're extremely underpowered for that.

[vapid prawn]

An E3 1230v2 used to be able to handle 200 players with CB++ 😛

And could run 2 or 3 servers that large even

Just need to go back to Minecraft 1.0

[atomic gale]

is 1.18 stable enough to run a long-term server on it yet? I have a friend who hosts a small Minecraft server (10 players at MOST at any given time, long term survival progression) and I want to know if the current build of paper is stable enough to run the server without any significant risks

The computer he uses is an old home computer that has had its OS switched to linux to save space

[gusty trench]

As long as you keep frequent backups, you should hopefully be alright at this point

[atomic gale]

and can it reliabially run datapacks at this point like terralith?

[gusty trench]

Well, I'm running terralith 🤷‍♂️

[vapid prawn]

I think the only issue with terralith was that old terralith couldn't be upgraded to 1.18, even on vanilla

[atomic gale]

also one more thing, how do you pre-load a world? Ive heard it helps with large complicated worldgen

thanks

[vapid prawn]

That's normal with datapacks, you can't upgrade

[atomic gale]

the world will be new

[vapid prawn]

So your terralith 2.0 world will be stuck on 1.18.x

[zealous idol]

is it?

i was under the impression that was just the experimental thing

[vapid prawn]

I dunno, I'm just parroting cat

[atomic gale]

do you know how to pre-generate a world? Heard it makes working with larger worlds more efficent

[vapid prawn]

I know 1.17->1.18 was broken for any worldgen datapack and I can easily see how it would be going forward too, unless they don't touch worldgen code or put in a bunch of effort to keep it compatible

chunky

[vivid iron]

Chunky | SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/chunky.81534/

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[atomic gale]

thanks mate

and that works with paper right

[fervent lynx]

works even better with paper

[atomic gale]

sweet

[vapid prawn]

It's like 3x faster on Paper

[atomic gale]

one FINAL question, are most plugins cross-version compatiable

like performance ones

wait actually I think he just uses paper itself for performance

thanks

[vapid prawn]

Plugins meant for Spigot will work on Paper 99.9% of the time

For the most popular plugins probably like 30-60% of them need updates to work with 1.18

[tired whale]

oof Chunky running at ~30 cps lol. This gonna take a while.

[vapid prawn]

That's a huge range, I know

[atomic gale]

thank you,thats all I need

[wild python]

1.18 had WAYYY more internal changes than 1.17 did which is why shits broke, however converting my custom biomes and such was a breeze and it took me all of 5 minutes and it worked again.

The issue is that world gen was so experimental in 1.16 and 1.17 came around and polished it. Then we have 1.18 which finished it lmfao

[vapid prawn]

The worldgen changed a lot but Paper (and Spigot) don't really touch that so don't care

[wild python]

As someone who works with world gen a lot, 1.16 was so messy and hacky

[vapid prawn]

Most of the world/chunk changes to support that new worldgen were in 1.17 though

[wild python]

And 1.17 finally felt like it was going somewhere

[vapid prawn]

1.17 had most of the scaffolding needed for 1.18 so as far as Spigot or Paper are concerned was likely a bigger update to deal with

If you do worldgen mods or are Sponge and have an API for worldgen 1.18 is basically a delete everything and start over kind of update

[tame knoll]

is it possible for me to change the seed of my paper server?

current running 1.18-55

[latent parrot]

throw level-seed into your server.properties

[vapid prawn]

When you make a world it uses the seed in server.properties then deletes it, iirc

If you want to change the seed of an existing world you'd have to edit the level.dat anyway though

[tame knoll]

ok thank you guys

[vivid iron]

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[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[wheat spoke]

Anyone know what setting flag I need to change to make a current active server generate as amplified when I change it to 1.18?

[vapid prawn]

level-type=amplified in server.properties

Oh, but if you mean an existing world I have no idea

[wheat spoke]

That's it? Awesome. I thought there was more to it.

[vapid prawn]

Probably grab the thing I googled earlier and edit your level.dat

[wild python]

Yeah, I really love the new generation. It encourages variation so much.

Especially with the fact that biomes are placed on top of existing terrain for the most part

[wheat spoke]

Yeah, I remember before it had to do with level.dat but that was also before 1.18 made amplified "official" again.

[vapid prawn]

If you're making a new world level-type in server.properties is probably enough

Try it and tell us what you find out, I guess

[tame knoll]

level-seed is not working for me

[wheat spoke]

I'm planning on using MCA editor and nuking all the unused map gen of my current server and I want to Regen it as 1.18 amplified if I can. From playing around in single player the new mapgen is amazing at not having hard edges

[rich idol]

(meanwhile i have custom worldgen and a ton of plugins so i likley wont update till 1.19)

[hollow wind]

anyone knows a way to fix the middle click bug?

[vapid prawn]

Wait for 1.18.1

It's a client thing iirc

[latent parrot]

^

tho idk if 1.18.1 will actually re-enabled it

[hollow wind]

i've found a "workaround" for admins maybe, in gamemode creative the middle click works, in survival doesn't work

[gusty trench]

ViaVersion

[true bloom]

Just a quick question about mc in general. It feels like the distance from where you can see entities (dropped items) is really short. has it changed or something ?

Playing in a vanilla server

And if it is intended to be like that. isn't it a possibility to maybe add a custom range in paper ?

[vapid prawn]

Paper can change that, usually lowers it 😄

[polar quarry]

if its a vanilla server we might not be able to answer but mojang changed visibility in general and your server might have low simulation distance

[vapid prawn]

You can probably increase it too though

[amber mica]

also entity tracking distance probably

[polar quarry]

^

[tame knoll]

what can i use to pregen my world with the 1.18 builds?

[amber mica]

Chunky works fine

[tired whale]

Chunky + ChunkyBorder is great

[vapid prawn]

You probably don't need (or want?) ChunkyBorder

Only if you want a custom shape or want an invisible border (with custom messages when you cross it)

[tame knoll]

is there a plugin i can use instead of a standalone application?

[vapid prawn]

Chunky is a plugin

[tame knoll]

o

[vapid prawn]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/chunky.81534/

[tame knoll]

thank you

W human

[wheat bluff]

hey, does no-tick-view-distance work on 1.18 ?

doesn't really answer my question, does it work or not?

okay, thanks.

[tepid radish]

yeah i have also been a bitch all day 🙂

[wheat bluff]

So the value in paper.yml will no longer be used ?

[peak pulsar]

Depends on what leaf decides to do

[polar quarry]

its not re-implemented yet so your only choice for no-tick-view-distance-like is view-distance

[vapid prawn]

simulation-distance isn't quite as good as what Leaf had (it doesn't stop as much from ticking) but I think that's a combo of trying to keep compatibility with redstone and them just not getting to it yet

It stops the biggest stuff afaik

[polar quarry]

as long as it stops entities that's like most of the load

[vapid prawn]

iirc redstone and liquids can still tick but not entities, block entities, or random block ticks

Instead of applying fog as a spherical volume it is now applied as a cylindrical volume.

1.18.1 can't come soon enough

[polar quarry]

i need this

[vapid prawn]

Oh, but you can't set simulation distance to less than 5

Unless paper already changed that to 3 or whatever the old limit was

[empty lantern]

How stable is the current build of 1.18 paper? Ik there's no ETA but I'm wondering how it's doing

[polar quarry]

stable enough for you and a few friends

[vapid prawn]

Take backups, test first, be prepared to roll back if something goes wrong

[polar quarry]

keep backups

[vapid prawn]

These are the rules for any build of Paper, they're just more likely to be needed right now

No one is screaming about something destroying their world right now though, if that's what you're asking

[polar quarry]

yeah, i haven't heard anyone mention data loss

[fossil path]

Always remember to backup 😎

I backup once every day at least

[polar quarry]

wish i could do that but my world is like 30 gb

[vapid prawn]

Unless it's regularly changing a lot (like, massive WorldEdit spam) if you use incremental backups storing enough to be able to pick between the last few snapshots would probably only take like 60 GB

[fossil path]

My host is pretty awesome and provides offsite backups for free, so I just take advantage of that

DriveBackupv2 is also good

If you have space on Google Drive

[polar quarry]

i don't like google or "cloud storage"

[polar quarry]

what software do you recommend for incremental backups? i run an alpine server

it has a quadcore cpu in case the software needs to calculate deltas or compress stuff

[gusty trench]

Borg

[polar quarry]

ok ty i'll look at it

[tired whale]

Borg is best.

[polar quarry]

Space efficient storage
now that's what i like

[limpid orbit]

what why

[polar quarry]

mojang 🤷‍♀️

[limpid orbit]

they forget their game runs like shit? at high player counts, or lots of entities

[vapid prawn]

High player counts? You mean like 10? That's as high as Mojang cares about 😛

[vapid prawn]

borg, rdiff-snapshot, restic

[silver heart]

How goes it, devs?

[polar quarry]

they don't care

i bet they only test servers with one player

and that one player has a machine with god tier specs

[limpid orbit]

they’re testing stuff now?

[polar quarry]

well.. mojang probably just checks if it builds and ships it without actually playing

[limpid orbit]

well yeah that’s what snapshots are for

[worldly holly]

given that Microsoft has mojang, they probably run their test server on some Azure supercomputer

[gilded ice]

They should

[old talon]

No they test only on the official servers. Which is realms. They dont touch Spigot/paper/bukkit

[gilded ice]

It doesn't mean they do

[old talon]

which i think the max for realms is like 11-12?

[worldly holly]

Azure is a cloud solution like DigitalOcean droplets afaik

Not like some custom server jar

[polar quarry]

why are you discussing this

nobody said the opposite

[worldly holly]

meh

[old talon]

Do you know who I am?

[quasi horizon]

I'm getting a crash that kills players and removes their items. I'll make a proper report when I get home. The server crashes without outputting anything in the log and on server restart, the chunks where the players were standing take longer to reload and some players fall to the void

[polar quarry]

hi karen

[old talon]

Hi David

[polar quarry]

that sounds really fun, try reproducing without plugins first though

[ruby edge]

Yikes

[old talon]

Double yikes

[polar quarry]

this sounds as if the crash is what kills players. if a player dies and the server hard crashes, the items in the floor might not be saved but a crash won't kill the players. how could a process crash set player health to zero??

[old talon]

I know what he meant. Im just saying they only tested realms and then movedon

[worldly holly]

ohk

[ancient sage]

If you use Linux you can use duplicty. I use it and it works great. It can compress your backup, encrypt it and upload it via ftp to a storageServer or a cloud like onedrive. Since you can encrypt it, it's not really concerning storing it in a cloud. And it just adds some data that changed in the time since the last backup. So you can have like 30 every days backups with only little mother storage used then one single Backup

[quasi horizon]

at the end of the paragraph, I said the chunks don't load and some players fall into the void

I was wondering if anyone was experiencing something similar

I'll make a proper report later

[true bloom]

One more question. My server's view(render) distance is set to a max of 7 for some reason. I did change the properties file to 10 or 16 and it doesn't work. Own render and simulation distance is at 16

[polar quarry]

i believe that's a minecraft 1.18 bug which was fixed in 1.18.1. players with shit connection (high latency, low bandwidth) can't deal with the burst of chunks so everything freezes

[polar quarry]

that sounds considerably more useful for other things rather than a minecraft world. i'll check it out, thanks

[gusty trench]

Try changing it to 16 in spigot.yml as well

[quasi horizon]

It happens right after the server crash, chunks take longer to load, and if you join while that is happening you fall into the void and die

[polar quarry]

you can also use default in the yml files so they fall back to the server.properties one

[quasi horizon]

it doesn't look like it has to do with connection

[polar quarry]

wut

[feral spire]

Please verify the machine is not overloaded especially if you are on a shared host

[polar quarry]

i still believe its that minecraft bug because you're not the first one to mention it, but... maybe your server has a slow disk?

[ancient sage]

So people that use light discord really do exist

[feral spire]

Please remove all plugin and/or change view distance and simulation distance to 5 (minimum) to rule out its the connection that’s dying out @quasi horizon

[polar quarry]

yes! i like my fonts crisp, my dpi high and my brightness very low

lol ^

[gusty trench]

I do, though

[royal mica]

Does anyone have an idea when a non experimental version of 1.18 will be available

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[royal mica]

Planning on making an unmodded survival world with around 20 players

[warm ravine]

Between now and the heat death of the universe

[true crystal]

might be after the heat death too

you never know with paper

[warm ravine]

cat may have a time machine

wouldn't surprise me

[true crystal]

yeah

[royal mica]

How long did it take for past versions

[topaz nymph]

You can’t compare old versions

Every version is different

Just be patient

[quasi panther]

yeah, updates aren't something that happens often enough to extrapolate; this only happens around once a year, maybe twice

[royal mica]

okay chill wtf

[rocky nest]

that question gets asked so much people get really tired of it

[crude nacelle]

sick of it more like

[rocky nest]

🙃 https://f.u11.io/PdT6j8

[royal mica]

i wouldnt know

[fervent lynx]

btw I've just tested this today and you can set a simulation distance even as low as 1 with vanilla server and setting it in the properties, you just can't move the clients slider below 5 which made me think the minimum was actually enforced

[feral spire]

I think it will just use 5 if you have it below 5 rn on paper

That poa dude was asking about this yesterday as he set his to 3 but still gets 5

[fervent lynx]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7054 has videos showing the behavior on vanilla vs paper if anyone is interested in sim distance

[true bloom]

Works thanks!

[vapid prawn]

Wait you mean the redstone stuff is a paper bug, not vanilla?

simulation-distance sounds like a full replacement for no-tick then

[fervent lynx]

yeah it's a paper bug

[quasi panther]

yeah, I saw at least one video from the snapshot where Mojang added sim distance where redstone didn't tick beyond that distance; it's supposed to only not stop displaying the chunks, you shouldn't get any kind of block updates past sim distance

[vapid prawn]

Is this leaf's block tick scheduler patch doing it you think?

That would be where I'd look first

[peak pulsar]

When will paper 1.18 come out?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[fervent lynx]

I'm guessing some patch is using view distance somewhere when it should be using simulation distance instead, just needs to be tracked down as to which one

[vapid prawn]

mikeprimm had a patch for that stuff back in the day too, the code was so hard to follow no one else bothered ever trying to update it and if it broke they just turned it off until he had some free time 😄

Not his fault, the block tick scheduler is just kind of complicated

I don't think the PR you linked is relevant to this, although it looks like it's needed too

It seems to be touching entity tracking, mob spawning, and entity ticking but entity ticking seemed fine in your video

[fervent lynx]

yeah idk that PR seems kinda strange and touches a bunch of stuff, just saw that it mentioned simulation distance issues

[vapid prawn]

afaik the things in your video that were still ticking were all using the block scheduler

Lava and water use it to ensure they settle instead of relying on neighbor updates (will only do one pass) and random block ticking (Remember when lava used to linger? That was before EvilSeph made it use the scheduler like water does) and repeaters use it because they have a 1 tick delay

[sand ruin]

where's that flowchart of what servers are built on others, can't seem to find it.

[vapid prawn]

Why is everyone looking for that today?

[feral spire]

#general it’s highly inaccurate and pointless

[fervent lynx]

no idea but imo the chart is pretty awful and I don't find it very helpful at all

[sand ruin]

It's a really good example of how interconnected and building on the giants of others the community is

[feral spire]

It looks like it’s made by some 12 year old who doesn’t have any idea what some of the project is for and just make a graph for style point

[feral spire]

^ literally

[vapid prawn]

What I'm getting from this chart is I should use JetPack 😄

[quasi panther]

half of it looks like they mixed up devs/teams and actual projects, some of that isn't even using the same codebase on those arrows

[vapid prawn]

I don't even know how to find JetPack, whatever it is

[feral spire]

Yeah anyone who has slight idea of MC modding community will shake their head when they look at it

[vapid prawn]

But it includes the AC mod which as of about two days ago I love and think everyone should use 😄

[feral spire]

For educational purposes only @vapid prawn https://www.gardling.com/jenkins/job/JettPack/278/

[pulsar dagger]

sus

[vapid prawn]

For real though, JetPack is the worst possible name

"jetpack minecraft server", "jetpack spigot fork", etc all just get you modded stuff or spigot plugins

Or sugarcane, which apparently uses jetpack compose for something?

[topaz nymph]

Where is the repo

[feral spire]

Yeah in terms of search SEO it’s not gonna do great.

[vapid prawn]

Oh it's two t

[topaz nymph]

On gitlab, lol

[vapid prawn]

lol, the AC mod patch is in the removed folder

[split steppe]

should I have sync-chunk-writes if I want to generate chunks faster?

[topaz nymph]

No.

[dark wigeon]

lol

that setting doesn't make a difference with paper anyways

it's ignored

[split steppe]

ty

[feral spire]

Please read chunky wiki

[fervent lynx]

https://github.com/pop4959/Chunky/wiki/FAQ#can-i-make-chunks-generate-faster

[violet wing]

I've tested it before but I don't think I found that it had any noticeable difference

and yeah, on paper it doesn't do anything

[feral spire]

Oh so that’s for spigot only?

[fervent lynx]

vanilla, spigot, etc yeah

on paper the option is literally ignored and disabled

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/patches/server/0450-Hide-sync-chunk-writes-behind-flag.patch

[normal zephyr]

Someone tried chunky on 5900/5950x ?
How much CPS ?

[tired whale]

Much better than the 30 CPS I'm getting lmao

[peak pulsar]

i tried it with the_end, only copied the "main island" from old world an pasted it via "amulet map editor" into new the_end dimension. everythink looked fine, no water, bed or sunrise but ... seems like portals to end_cities are broken, they port you in free air space, instead of "output portal with end city"

[normal zephyr]

Yeah I'm getting 30-50cps on my shared host. And I'm waiting for my new dedi to test it, but it's slow to be delivered lol

[tired whale]

I'm using a E3-1230 V2, So i'm sure you'll get like 90+

[violet wing]

just for the record i have been getting like 60-70 on a 3700x

[covert jolt]

a 5950x will likely just give you 60 - 70cps

[normal zephyr]

and overall, how does this 1.18 perform ?

[covert jolt]

fine

[normal zephyr]

better than 1.17 or still worse ?

[violet wing]

spectator mode fly is nuts lol

[warm ravine]

Chunky becoming the new CPU benchmark

[normal zephyr]

no real benchmark for minecraft server 😦

so we need to refer to chunky

[violet wing]

not really intended to be used as a benchmark

[warm ravine]

I had chunky set off my system alerts before

Was using 100% cpu over 5 minutes

[normal zephyr]

but it doesn't tell overall performances, so useless

[warm ravine]

Also this is an oof

[peak pulsar]

only have some problems with old imported nether/end dimension and new created second overworld as custom dimension .. stuff like bed/water/sunrise and rain everywhere also indoor

[fervent lynx]

if you're having rain inside of buildings it's because your world has corrupted heightmaps

[normal zephyr]

I don't know the impact on performances of "RAID 1" for a minecraft server

[covert jolt]

none

raid 1 on ssds shouldn't be noticable

[warm ravine]

ssds go brrr

[normal zephyr]

removing the raid to get better speed

[covert jolt]

there is only a certain amount of fucks you should give about your server's hardware

[peak pulsar]

i tried --forceUpgrade --eraseCache yesterday but didnt fixed rain problem, also tried to fix it via level.dat .. may ill try it with map editors liker amulet in future, not shure where i can fix heightmaps

[fervent lynx]

--forceUpgrade --eraseCache definitely should have fixed it, it wipes the heightmaps which makes the game recalculate it

[peak pulsar]

you know what could cause this problem?

[quasi panther]

heightmaps are in the individual region files, not level.dat

even just deleting them manually is not scalable, don't do it without automation if you have more than like 10 region files

[peak pulsar]

good to know, ill try to check, thank you also for automation hint for bigger dimensions

[quasi panther]

a region is only 32x32 chunks, so if your world is larger than like.. 2k*2k, you're going to have more region files than you want to edit manually

[peak pulsar]

got many of those errors and didnt find a way to fix it - so i thought it could be an option, to copy/paste old dimenion-areas into new(working) dimensions with map-editors like Amulet

so i tried it with the_end at first, cause its a small dimension .. as i mentioned, i only copy/pasted the "main island" but now the end_city_portals port you to the wrong place and you fall into death

can i generate a end_city portal manually and replace the broken ones? or do i have to paste the old parameters from old end_dimension, so that the new dimension know, how many end_gateways already were created?

[vapid prawn]

Leaf was getting 90 cps but I think he tweaked things a little

[quasi panther]

..did you keep the same world seed?

[peak pulsar]

yes - if i type /seed its same seed at old and new the_end , but the "main overworld seed" is a different one

one of the old end_gateway portals even ports me on the main_island 🤔

[hidden cargo]

paper still in experimental phase?

[quasi panther]

yes

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[vague falcon]

Preliminary embed nice lol

[peak pulsar]

ok seems like its enough if i just go in creatife and replace gateway blocks

[minor bridge]

would it be fine if i used the experimental version on my smp

[quasi panther]

depends on how much risk you're willing to take

[vague falcon]

I mean we're not gonna serve something intentionally broken just take it with a grain of salt that shit might happen and if it does, let us know :)

We just don't recommend running it in production because of the uncertainty

Just take backups and the etc

[uncut pelican]

So far the builds have been working pretty well for me

I had a bit of an issue around build 28 with it running quite slow, but that was because everybody was flying around checking out the new terrain past where the worldborder used to be

but builds after that have only improved

[peak pulsar]

..but if enderkill there is no new created

[vapid prawn]

You should always take frequent backups and test before deploying a new build, experimental just means you need to be doing those things 😄

[vague falcon]

Take backups, take backups of those backups, etc

IT IS Important you do NOT store them in one place

Worst mistake of my life

[feral spire]

not in one datacenter too apparently

[floral blade]

I takes backups of my backups which then get another backup

[polar quarry]

can i have details?

[quasi panther]

backups 321 rule:
3 copies
2 types of physical media
1 copy in a different physical location

[vague falcon]

hard drive failure

[quasi panther]

if you really really care about it anyway

[split steppe]

for the no tick view distance and view distance should I use the one from server.porperties now?

[topaz nymph]

Yes

[split steppe]

I have set it to 10 and 10

and I just see like 4 chunks

all foggy after that

[weary ivy]

Geez, its been a week. Longest time I've ever seen. Ig its fair. 1.18 is a really bug release

[topaz nymph]

Yea well, there’s still plenty of things to do. They are all volunteers and can have all the time they need.

[frigid escarp]

My server's RAM is constantly maxed out, anybody have any idea why? it wasnt like this before

[feral spire]

what is your startup flags?

[frigid escarp]

Not sure what that means

[feral spire]

How do you start your MC server?

How are you hosting your server?

where are you seeing the RAM usage?

[frigid escarp]

I use a hosting site

[feral spire]

go into game

type /timings report and give us the link

[polar quarry]

its normal for java to use all of the ram you give it

[frigid escarp]

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=8454631d67ad408bb52d041d9950186b

[polar quarry]

it would be weirder if it wasnt doing that before

[rocky nest]

yeah all looks normal. MC usually allocates all the ram at startup, even if it's not actually using all of it

[feral spire]

You do have oldgen issue. Try increase the RAM to see if it helps .2G is really low.

[warm ravine]

Also update Paper

[feral spire]

also update paper to see if things improves.

[polar quarry]

^ they might not know how (?)

[half walrus]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[feral spire]

@frigid escarp grab paper jar there and upload to your host. Alternative, your host may have a way for you to grab paper jar for you (you will have to look into how)

[vapid prawn]

Do you have view-distance set in your spigot.yml?

[hearty arrow]

Anyone gotten this error?

[feral spire]

safe to ignore if nothing really seems wrong

[hearty arrow]

Lol

[arctic oracle]

hey, tiny request, but is it possible to make paper report what the current version is and not just how far behind it you are? with website caching issues its hard to tell if i actually have the new version or if i have to yell at my ISP again

[vapid prawn]

That was a thing in vanilla in 1.17 too

[hearty arrow]

It threw the error 6 times when joining the world and everything else seems fine

[feral spire]

it does show current version @arctic oracle

[arctic oracle]

maybe i am miss prhasing, hang on a sec

[vapid prawn]

It shows the commit sha and how many commits behind you are, not the build number and how many builds behind you are

[dapper lotus]

Literal "mojang forgets to upgrade data in the world properly" again

I called it out and one of the devs said that they're sorry

So, seems like they're slowly gaining traction towards the idea that people don't like their logs being full of data upgrade errors...

[arctic oracle]

[20:06:31] [Server thread/INFO]: Checking version, please wait...
[20:06:32] [Thread-262/INFO]: This server is running Paper version git-Paper-25 (MC: 1.18) (Implementing API version 1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT) (Git: 1f5b013)
You are 32 version(s) behind
Download the new version at: https://papermc.io/downloads
Previous version: git-Paper-23 (MC: 1.18)

this is the output of /version, it tells me that i am 32 versions behind current, but i was hoping for a way to get the server to report what version "current" is

[feral spire]

@arctic oracle

I guess it doenst show on console?

wait it does what was the queston again

LOL my brian

[rocky nest]

latest build number

[vapid prawn]

Oh I guess it only shows commit if you build yourself

[dapper lotus]

thing just tracks how far it is behind, it's not aware of build numbers exactly

[timber ridge]

I think they mean which build it wants

[feral spire]

ok fuck my brain not working today

[timber ridge]

But yeah. It doesn’t really know.

[vapid prawn]

You can just do math

[dapper lotus]

git has is in the bracket at the end

[timber ridge]

It knows how many builds behind but not what build is current. Since a build or three might have been dropped.

[dapper lotus]

the hash is used as the version only outside of there being a build number passed to it when building

[timber ridge]

Not worth the extra lookup

[vapid prawn]

So if you build it yourself it shows commit sha and how many commits behind you are but if the CI builds it you get build number and how many builds behind you are?

[dapper lotus]

Yup

[vapid prawn]

That's neat but also I hate it 😛

[timber ridge]

Haha

[vapid prawn]

But yeah, you can just do math

[dapper lotus]

It's horrible but sexy at the same time 😄

[vapid prawn]

Take your current build (25) and add 32 to it

The latest build should be 57

The command could do that math too I guess

[arctic oracle]

the main issue i am trying to get around here is that my ISP is being super aggressive with their caching and ignoring refresh requests due to significantly reduced bandwith related to massive flooding

or thats what they told me over the phone

[frigid escarp]

When I try to load the jar it just says this and never turns the server back on?

[vapid prawn]

Are you using Chrome?

[timber ridge]

In most scenarios you aren’t going to need a new build so often.

Also adding a whole feature to Paper just because of one person’s ISP caching is . . . counterproductive

[feral spire]

how are you getting that error if you were already running 1.18

[vapid prawn]

Chrome knows better than you and ignores Ctrl-F5 sometimes

(fuck Chrome)

[feral spire]

Do you have to manually set your JAVA version? (somewhere on your hosting panel) @frigid escarp

[vapid prawn]

❤️

[arctic oracle]

i am using multiple browsers on multiple systems. my work around is to use mobile data which seems to be working but is also a pain

[timber ridge]

Yeah I often hold it down and hit F5 fifty times

[dapper lotus]

our downloads API has the cache headers set badly, I think that might have been fixed now

[vapid prawn]

Your ISP literally can't be caching the page

[frigid escarp]

Nope

[vapid prawn]

It's over TLS, your ISP just sees noise

[dapper lotus]

yea, that too ^^

[feral spire]

that will be a question to your host as we will not know.
Your issue on the log is that your container isnt running JAVA17 which is a hard requirement on 1.18

@frigid escarp

[dapper lotus]

It's probs just our caching, which shooould be fixed if not drastically improved now

[arctic oracle]

this is an issue on multiple sites, either i get a cached copy, the slowest load times ever or just a 404

[frigid escarp]

Ok thanks

[arctic oracle]

yet i am still reporting gigabit speeds lol

[vapid prawn]

Did you install a new CA file from your ISP or something?

[rocky nest]

How are you measuring speeds? I've heard of ISPs doing stuff different for speedtest.net to show your expected speed

[vapid prawn]

Otherwise they can't MITM your connection so it just looks like "yep, another socket going to cloudflare" to them

They don't know what it's for or what's on the page

[polar quarry]

this doesnt make sense, this means your computer is vulnerable to mitm attacks because the paper website has https

[arctic oracle]

speeds are calculated by sending and receiving a 1gb file to a friend on the other side of the country who also has gigabit

which isn't exactly efficient but its whats working

this has only been an issue since the floods and never was before >.>

[polar quarry]

did you try another browser?

[vapid prawn]

Anyway, you have your answer (do some math)

[arctic oracle]

i have tried multiple physical devices

[polar quarry]

that is depressing, your isp sucks :(

[arctic oracle]

lol i guess, still doesn't help me actually get the file

[vapid prawn]

Whatever may or may not be wrong with your computer(s) and glaring security exploits you may have set up for your ISP is way offtopic

[timber ridge]

This also definitely isn’t 1.18 related

But that sucks. I sympathize.

[arctic oracle]

i read somewhere that people have one liners to just grab the latest version, would be intrested in one of those to see if it fixes my problem

[vapid prawn]

If that works it means your browser was the problem 😛

Have you tried our lord and savior ?

[arctic oracle]

i mean probably, but its really hard to nail down, and calling my ISP is a 4 hour wait to be told that "its all flood related, nothing we can do till the datacenter is out of the water"

and yes, i have

[rocky nest]

well if the DC's underwater there's not much they can do about your speeds...

(I take it you're in BC?)

[arctic oracle]

anyway, good advice is good. going to investigate if they have somehow been fucking with the router firmware again

[vapid prawn]

Wouldn't be your router

[arctic oracle]

yes i am lol, however i am nowhere near the floods and have good speeds, just a lot of 404s and old pages

[vapid prawn]

For them to cache HTTPS pages they would literally have to be MITM'ing your OS and/or browsers

[dapper lotus]

ISP tech support is literally useless

[quasi panther]

you can totally MITM from the router

[vapid prawn]

Like, you can't even do a replay attack on that, it's a whole new encryption key each time

[dapper lotus]

I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't just the goto "gtfo we're tryna fix shit"

[vapid prawn]

You can only MITM from the router if you also configure your OS and/or browsers to use the router as a proxy

[dapper lotus]

Well, the only "supported" MITM would be ^

[quasi panther]

DHCP makes that easy though

[vapid prawn]

Actually even that wouldn't be enough

[dapper lotus]

Still need certs installed probs

[vapid prawn]

You'd still have to have the router generate a new certs on the fly and tell the browser they're okay

[dapper lotus]

and you'd be able to see in the network settings somewhere

[quasi panther]

true, but intercepting the TLS handshake has been done

[arctic oracle]

hmm... maybe i should smack the old VPN and see what happens...

[vapid prawn]

If you know a way to MITM a TLS handshake and not just snoop on the metadata you could probably make a lot of money

[feral spire]

inb4 an ISP technician literally log onto his PC and altered settings

[vapid prawn]

Like, every company with a bug bounty would give you $10,000

[real bolt]

When backing up a server, should you shut it down while doing so? Or will backing it up while people are online be fine

[arctic oracle]

hah, made that mistake before 10 years ago... only once

[vapid prawn]

Ideally you'd run save-off then save-all flush before doing the backup then save-on after

[warm ravine]

I don't even let ISP techs in my house let alone near my equipment

[feral spire]

yes but with a HUGE *

[real bolt]

Why the HUGE *?

[vapid prawn]

But if you just do the backup without doing that it'll probably be fine or at least fine enough you can recover and only lose a few chunks 😛

[rocky nest]

I mean I take hourly backups with the server still on, but I have those clearly marked

[feral spire]

unless you are playing on a server where everyone regularly using worldedit with millions of blocks, you are probably fine

[real bolt]

I see. Is the issue that you would be losing chunks that are written to the backup file while they're being newly created?

[rocky nest]

(Also have daily backups taken during the daily restart)

[arctic oracle]

this and a few other edge cases basically

[vapid prawn]

Right, Minecraft doesn't write to a temp file then rename over it so saves aren't atomic (region files are too large to do that)

[feral spire]

yeah it goes stright in

in which if you get lucky, shit may happen

[vapid prawn]

So if the game is in the middle of changing the region file header you might lose all of it (there are tools to try to recover this) or if it's writing chunk data you might lose that chunk

[real bolt]

Would you backup your server while it's running?

[arctic oracle]

i have been backing up in this way for about 5 years and only twice had a broken backup (that i know of anyways, test your backups!)

[feral spire]

it will probably corrupts it and be reset on next load

[vapid prawn]

If you run save-off then save-all flush in console you can backup safely with the server running

[quasi panther]

i phrased badly; when there's a proxy in play, it's intercepting the initial connection, before the handshake, and then your client handshakes with the proxy thinking it's the server and the proxy actually handshakes with the server

[vapid prawn]

Then run save-on after the backup is done

[dapper lotus]

only downfall is that save-all sucks

[real bolt]

What do these commands do?

I should probably read the manual sorry LOL

[feral spire]

it turns safe OFF

[dapper lotus]

I mean, they're self explanitory

flush ensures that it's flushed to the disk

[feral spire]

which means all changes will be stored in RAM

[vapid prawn]

That only works if you can make the browser think your proxy's certificate is valid for that domain though which you can't do unless you install a new CA cert in your browser

[dapper lotus]

We do wanna look at async rcon commands one day

[vapid prawn]

Otherwise you just get scary security warning pages on every website you visit

[dapper lotus]

And make save-all flush able to slowly drain the save queue or something before completing the command

[modern lintel]

3-2-1 backups is the recommended way to back up. Jus saying

[vapid prawn]

And have to jump through hoops to get to the page

[real bolt]

I always hear about borg, that would be best for backups, right?

[quasi panther]

true, browsers are better about that now

[quasi panther]

that looks like a general file backup program, unrelated to Minecraft

there's two kinds of backups here; a copy of your map that isn't actively modified by the server, and a copy of the map that's stored somewhere else very safe

the first protects against software problems, the second protects against hardware failure

[vapid prawn]

You either need to run your server in screen/tmux so you can make a script that sends those commands to it while doing the backup or you need to get a backup plugin that can run those commands then call out to the backup program

[dapper lotus]

It really sounds simple if you think about it

Just store the entire world and all it's changes in the block chain

[real bolt]

Ok this is obviously the best solution :) I will do this :) thank you

[real bolt]

I already run the server in tmux so

This is rather archaic, but this whole time I've been shutting down the server, running tar czvf on the server file, and then copying it over SFTP to my desktop computer. I have always known this is not been the best solution so I'm trying to automate it and make it more secure

[stuck mural]

you can try rsync. i think thats what its called

[real bolt]

I know rsync! I use it to help update websites

[dapper lotus]

rsync, rsnapshot, etc

[real bolt]

I just haven't looked into getting it working

[dapper lotus]

I used to just have a cron job which would pull stuff on my own machine so I'd never have to remember to do it myself

and pulling is safer than pushing

[real bolt]

Pulling? Like, git? Sorry if I'm not understanding

[stuck mural]

im looking into moving over to rsync. currently using DriveBackupV2 plugin. works okay but backups take a while

[dapper lotus]

Like, the machine storing your backup copy pulls the backups from the host

rather than the host pushing them to the server storing the copies of backups

[real bolt]

Ohhhh I see

It's like who's requesting the file

[rocky nest]

where's my borg screenshot gone

[real bolt]

#❗-1-18-experimental message

[dapper lotus]

Born? I rate 7/9

[stuck mural]

i was gonna say

youcan try using Borg

but 11_ was already here to say that lol

[vapid prawn]

tmux send-keys -t MyServer:1 'save-off' Enter
tmux send-keys -t MyServer:1 'save-all flush' Enter
run-backup-here
tmux send-keys -t MyServer:1 'save-on' Enter

Stick something like that in a cron script

[rocky nest]

yeah borg ❤️ https://f.u11.io/cMxgGL

52TB of backups, taking up only 282GB

[real bolt]

This is wildly useful Amaranth. Thank you :)

[warm ravine]

then there's me

I can't give less of a fuck about my worlds

[real bolt]

Sigma

[vapid prawn]

You can add extra tmux send-keys calls in there to send messages to let people know backups are starting and finishing, if you want

If it happens fast enough or doesn't slow down the server while it's happening you might not need to bother

Could be useful to send to staff or something at least though, how to do that is going to be up to your server setup

[warm ravine]

I do setup backups for servers I assist with tho, never my own stuff

[dapper lotus]

Depends on what they want

Like, I pretty much always ask for a spare HDD when dealing with such people

[warm ravine]

here's an easy backup mv world /dev/null :)

[dapper lotus]

as then I can rsnapshot to that drive

[real bolt]

I may actually stop the server while the backup is happening, considering I run it on an old laptop. The main thing making the backups take so long is me forgetting to turn the server back on once the backup is finished

[dapper lotus]

But, at the end of the day, there is no ultimate solution for normies

[vapid prawn]

Eh, you can probably get away with running the backup while the server is going still

[warm ravine]

I'd backup to a s3 bucket if it wasn't so damn pricey

[vapid prawn]

Unless it takes so long the pending chunks to save run your server out of RAM or borg chews up so much CPU your server dies

[dapper lotus]

backblaze have a muuuch cheaper s3 compat thing

[vapid prawn]

cat over here shilling for den

[warm ravine]

I currently use DO's spaces for most of my shit

my work uses backblaze

at least for client facing stuff

I think we just throw all the backups onto a thicc server

[real bolt]

I suppose you're right

[vapid prawn]

If you have a NAS or something on your LAN I think you can make borg just send all the data to it (which should be fairly quick because LAN) and make it do the CPU heavy work of deduplication, compression, and encryption

[dapper lotus]

yea, I mean, typical thing is to just save-off, wait 30 seconds or whatever, start backup, save-on

save-all flush is especially such a heavy task which is why we've wanted to rework that thing, one day...

[feral spire]

chance to trigger watchdog on save-all flush

[real bolt]

So sorry, when you're running tmux send-keys, how would you find out the name of your tmux session? I ran tmux list-sessions and everything I saw didn't have similar syntax to MyServer:1 that I can put in the -t argument

[dapper lotus]

you can name sessions when you create them

[vapid prawn]

You name it whatever, the :1 isn't a part of the name though

Forget what that's for

[dapper lotus]

the "window" in tmux

is what I'd imagine at least

[real bolt]

[thou@server ~]$ tmux list-sessions
0: 1 windows (created Mon Nov 29 17:55:20 2021)

Is it just named 0?

[dapper lotus]

Yea

and, :1 seems wrong as default window number is 0, so, may need to check that

[real bolt]

Alright thank you, all of you have been very helpful. I appreciate it genuinely. Usually when I ask for tech help online people end up being rather condescending and this has not been the case

[vapid prawn]

StackOverflow failed me?

[dapper lotus]

apparently so

[warm ravine]

I can looksie at what command I use for tmux

[dapper lotus]

I mean

I do use macOS with brew, so, there is a chance by default config is just weird vs what other distros use

[warm ravine]

tmux send -t charity-donor-server:0.0 "whitelist reload" ENTER this sends a command to the first window of my charity-donor-server session

[dapper lotus]

0.0

o.O

[warm ravine]

I forgot why I had to do 0.0 but it worked

Think it means first pane of first window

[dapper lotus]

ah

yea, seems legit

[real bolt]

My world file is 38GB, I have 16GB of ram. When I run save-all flush would it try to write all of that to ram? Or would it just write the chucks actively being loaded when the command is sent?

[dapper lotus]

it saves all loaded chunks and flushes it to the disk

save-all is expensive, flush adds onto that even more

hence why people just often wait 30 seconds and pray that it's all hit the disk

[real bolt]

I see

I assume with an SSD there's a pretty decent chance it would have all hit the disk by the time you run the backup, right?

You'd have to be pretty unlucky for the backup to completely break your world

[dapper lotus]

Yea, I mean, people just use 30 seconds when we still had HDDs

[real bolt]

Alright

[warm ravine]

From personal experience it's pretty slim that your backup will end up sending shit sideways

[real bolt]

Alright

• If you're doing backups nightly, and something fails, you could probably just use the backup from the night before

Or since it won't shut down the server there's no reason you shouldn't do it every 12 hours

Or every 6 hours. I think

[vapid prawn]

Or stitch a working world back together from multiple backups

[warm ravine]

I usually sneak a backup in during my reboots but I usually do incremental so they're pretty speedy

I've done that far too many times

so many nights of stitching backups

[polar quarry]

can you do incremental daily backups through ssh using borg (so i keep it stored on my computer)?

when people talk about backups i don't know where they are backing up to

[warm ravine]

I do 6 hour backups to another drive on the system then every night sync that offsite

[vapid prawn]

Whether you should push or pull backups turns in to a whole thing too

If you push backups you're allowing the server to potentially wreck your remote backup system, if you pull backups you're allowing your remote backup system to potentially wreck your server

Depends on which on you trust more

[warm ravine]

do both at the same time

[fossil light]

I backup to a local ftp server and gdrive using drivebackupv2

works pretty well, had one scare so far that it saved me from

[warm ravine]

I used to backup to my college gdrive since it was unlimited

Good times

[fossil light]

that's what I do now

[rocky nest]

I've thankfully never had to use our backups due to an "oh fuck" moment, although it has made spinning up a test server very easy

[polar quarry]

does microsoft's skydrive have unlimited college stuff? i could backup to that

[warm ravine]

I've had to use backups for players that nuked their inventory somehow

[polar quarry]

(er, its not called skydrive anymore butidontrememberthename)

[fossil light]

onedrive has 1tb for college stuff in my experience

then gdrive is unlimited

[warm ravine]

Digging through a 30GB backup for a fucking 8KB .dat file is annoying

[polar quarry]

OH BOI im going to dump my minecraft backups there

[fossil light]

nice

[pallid merlin]

Does the OneDrive API works for that so I dont upload it manually lol

[fossil light]

yeah

I use drivebackupv2 to automatically make and upload backups and it has onedrive support so I think so at least

[barren finch]

There’s a way to set it up where the .Minecraft folder is linked to a OneDrive location. That’s what I did

[pallid merlin]

I tried to use their API but I think I needed a API perm only grant from the school administration and Im not sure if they are willign to give it away lol

[polar quarry]

is per-player mob spawning working for the latest 1.18 builds? (i havent checked the commit history, havent played either)

[feral spire]

yes

[sick hearth]

I use borg

[west bone]

How do you do this

[polar quarry]

what exactly are you asking

you can turn it on using per-player-mob-spawns: true

[feral spire]

it should already be default to true unless he changed otherwise

[modern lintel]

I thought mojang implemented it in vanilla?

[fervent lynx]

they made mob spawning changes in 1.18 but per player caps isn't one of them

[dark wigeon]

I thought they were going to, i definitely saw it in a video

Or did the technical community complain?

[plucky granite]

why's connection handler taking a lot of server's resources

[dark wigeon]

Sync Chunk Load

Probably a low-quality plugin, think of any plugins that could be loading chunks

[merry haven]

man im juiced for 1.18

got my bedrock server to 1.18

working on java

[quick glacier]

Anyone know what the timeline for an official release is? I'm still on experimental #19, and will probably update to the latest experimental release soon unless an official release is about to drop...

Well, a stable release I mean.

As in, doesn't have the big red warning banner on it.

You know what I mean

[lofty rover]

1.18 running fine so far

[quick glacier]

And that was my next question. I haven't seen anything about 1.18.1 yet. Any word on a paper release for that?

[vapid prawn]

They have some things they'd like to accomplish or at least look in to still but no idea when or if they'll get done but aside from that "stable" just means they randomly decided one day no one was complaining too much and removed the header and this channel

1.18.1 has to happen first 🙂

More importantly, Spigot 1.18.1 has to happen first

[quick glacier]

I just wasn't sure if they would start work on a release candidate.

[quick glacier]

Makes sense.

[vapid prawn]

Odds are 1.18.1 will be a small enough change they could just apply the diff from vanilla to their 1.18 code but that doesn't get them the right mappings so all your plugins that poke at NMS stuff would break