is there a guide to updating a plugin to a newer version? its my first time doing so
#❗-1-18-experimental
limpid epoch
long edge
as in updating a plugin that you've installed, or updating a plugin you maintain?
limpid epoch
maintain
rocky nest
Do you use NMS or packets?
if not, just bumping the api version in your pom/build.gradle[.kts] should be all you need
limpid epoch
Failed to execute goal org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-compiler-plugin:3.8.1:compile (default-compile) on project SeasonalMobs: Fatal error compiling
long edge
there will be more info above/below that, but, do you have a github link?
limpid epoch
its fine ill just use the mcdev plugin on idea and shove old code in there
vestal ginkgo
Trying to build my plugin using paper 1.18 and paperweight 1.3.1 results in an error:
patch failed: .gradle/caches/paperweight/setupCache/patchedSourcesJar.jar-178776452/net/minecraft/world/level/LevelAccessor.java:21
Full stacktrace: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/381cacb15e1f44ccbc4bf3cceebe7e9a
My build.gradle.kts: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/6aa942dfa6f148a5bcb2cf51f8367ee9
hollow notch
when update tittle I get this issue in 1.18 https://youtu.be/qKt9EOwnYYk in 1.17 is no issue. Seams like it not update inventory after.
click inside inventory do not update it ether.
I have of update my code for 1.18 and change send packat to a and intmenu to a.
And no errors
lilac marsh
Is the performance gonna get better when we get closer to full releases of paper 1.18 software?
junior chasm
Can I already use the experimental version to edit the configs and plugins and replace the .jar and delete the world data when there is a stable release? Or is it adviced to wait because configs are also subject to change?
feral spire
Most of the time if config changes, it will be done safely for people with existing Config
digital slate
how long it usually takes for the first stable release? This is the first major update for my server, i have never followed development before?
I know there is no ETA, just approximately? week maybe two or a month>
split night
There is no ETA
civic dawn
iirc the last one took two weeks
split night
E stands for Estimate lol
civic dawn
But it could be longer
digital slate
I am doing a no world reset, so no way I am firing up one of those experimental builds
civic dawn
Yeah they even say not to use it in production
I think they mainly have an experimental build so people can find bugs
digital slate
it appears to be working well on my test server but I am not taking the risk on a nearly 100GB world file.
dapper lotus
Builds mostly seem stable
fallow brook
you could just whitelist the server and test plugins and . Just ensure you save alot
dapper lotus
Beyond that, backups and use your own judgement
fallow brook
back ups are a world saver even with a stable build
digital slate
Players crying for 1.18 every evening. They don't understand that 30+ plugins have to work so the server can function properly 😄
oblique stag
How's the work on the stable release going?
fallow brook
I just opened up vanilla world for my players to go play in with the experimental built while I whitelist my reset world and test pluginsand bugs
dapper lotus
There is literally a wealth of information over this channel and the other channels about how stuff is going.
Please, read, it's not hard.
fallow brook
just keep your wb not too big
digital slate
I am giving a thumbs down to SMPs with limited worlds. 30mil is the only limitation out there. If you cannot afford that for your players, well, you're no different than 99% of the servers out there.
rocky nest
Ah yes, because disk space is free
wind thicket
I think... the value of simulation-distance is not allowed to be less than 1.....
iron pier
Are you guys aware of any memory leaks? I host a server for some friends and it already crashed once and i just restarted it at 6.02GB/6.35GB memory usage, i have no plugins and there were 6 players online before restarting.
wind thicket
If adjust it to -1, it will cause the world to miss all tick, except for the birthplace that remains loaded.
Should this limit be requested from the paper team?
dapper lotus
what
I mean, if you wanna be an idiot and set idiotic values, I don't think that it's entirely on us to baby you
long edge
I don't quite see the need, if people don't want anything to tick they can then set it that way. And this will all be reworked regardless when no-tick is re-investigated
main thing is people getting what simulation-distance does backwards, as it is the opposite of what no-tick was. I don't really see people setting it to -1
feral spire
@wind thicket open source your plugin so sulu can better see what you want to do 
long edge
doesn't matter, people will and do confuse it
dapper lotus
Like, why the fuck do server owners not know brain ;-;
gilded ice
Paper team needs to work with mojang team. Sincerity
digital slate
paper team has to buy mojang
dapper lotus
We speak to them often
frozen spear
Like, why the fuck do server owners not know brain ;-;
I mean base users dont, why server owners would be so different from them
wind thicket
<@455305052416901130> open source your plugin so sulu can better see what you wa...
must?
feral spire
Are you guys aware of any memory leaks? I host a server for some friends and it ...
Not really. Been running it just fine without issue. Test without plugins and please share your startup flags maybe you are just setting them incorrectly
dapper lotus
crashed once how
I mean, the JVM using the memory that you told it it can use is literally a non issue
if your host blows up because you used the memory they said your JVM could use, that's a shitty host
iron pier
i have no plugins at all; and just standard flags java -Xms128M -Xmx6500M -jar server.jar
and it's self-hosted in pterodactyl
wind thicket
You have to know that no-tick-view-distance can be set to -1, and some people take it for granted that simulation-distance is also possible
dapper lotus
if you set Xmx to 6500M, it's gonna use like 7G of ram, probs closer to 8
dapper lotus
I'm not sure you should be running a server
Please read the release channel
!ban @south forge Reading is not optional, glhf
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:raised_hands: Banned Godgutten#0032 (Reading is not optional, glhf) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.
wind thicket
WTF
upbeat seal
woah
long edge
You have to know that no-tick-view-distance can be set to -1, and some people ta...
I think you might have it backwards, simulation-distance is the ticking view distance, while view-distance is the equivalent of what no-tick was. If you set that to -1, nothing will tick, as intended
wind thicket
I think you might have it backwards, `simulation-distance` is the ticking view d...
It's not right, it's not me
wind thicket
I think you might have it backwards, `simulation-distance` is the ticking view d...
I t ' s n o t r i g h t, i t ' s n o t m e
iron pier
also after the restart i kept an eye on the ram usage (after restart the 6 players reconnected) and for 20 minutes it stayed around 3.04GB and under a minute it went up by 1.6GB, after asking the players if they did anything special they said that they were doing what they were already doing for 20 mins
dapper lotus
memory in java is not as trivial as "memory used"
long edge
I t ' s n o t r i g h t, i t ' s n o t m e
I don't get what you're trying to say, are you meaning that people may accidentally get it backwards and thus set it to -1?
half walrusBOT
-Xmx controls the amount of heap memory assigned to the JVM, this does not include other memory used by java, or native memory used by other libraries such as netty (for networking) or SQLite. Please do not allocate all of your memory!
wind thicket
I don't get what you're trying to say, are you meaning that people may accidenta...
yes
dapper lotus
if you wanna see what memory is actually doing, you're gonna need to attach a profiler
wind thicket
I met
dapper lotus
I mean, that's on them
iron pier
yea, i might need to check it with a profiler; i don't think that 5GB memory usage normal for 6 players
and it's running only for 40 minutes now
dapper lotus
once again, this is java
that 5G of ram on the heap is not "used"
ideally java has a good chunk of ram over what it's using, that's how it maintains healthy GC times, etc
considering that MC creates a lot of junk memory in the heap, expension is generally gonna happen fast
that's a huge reason why we recommend Xmx == Xms
quasi panther
and some measurements are going to look at how much memory is allocated to the heap, rather than how much is used by values on the heap, but will report the allocated memory as "used" (because from the OS perspective, it is used; other programs can't use it because Java is, even if Minecraft isn't at the time)
iron pier
okay i just forced a full gc and the delta between the start (when all players reconnected) and now is .5GB
dapper lotus
heap usage is a lot more complex between used and not used
as said, you need proper tooling to see what is going on with the heap, glhf
uncut pelican
anyone know why it's spamming this in the console?
dapper lotus
your server is taking too long to tick
inland cypress
Heyo we're running the experimental paper 1.18 jars and we've noticed something very suss. We're having server crashes VERY often and I've observed the world near 0,0 seem like it's read only or something. Not able to interact with chests, doors or break/ place blocks. This doesn't align with chunks. For example I can break a block in a certain chunk, but can't break another in that same chunk. Here's our seed 4360004306874063922
We generated our world in build 14 and with the openjdk:17.0.1-oraclelinux8 image. Now the jar isn't available. We switched to the openjdk:17.0.1-slim image with build 23. Any thoughts?
dapper lotus
no crash report = no halp
arctic rover
dapper lotus
and yea, if you have a single op'd player, the server has a spawn protection thing
inland cypress
no crash report = no halp
There's no crash log at all the server seems to just halt and the container reboots.
dapper lotus
speak to host
if theres no crash log all way can do is start assuming, common thing is that the host misconfigured the JVM to crash when it uses the ram that's been allocated to it
inland cypress
Here's our logs
[06:32:45 INFO]:
[06:32:45 INFO]: dsfg[/10.7.254.1:37564] logged in with entity id 110379 at ([world]-553.9822424112372, 67.0, 126.61209099526491)
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | > paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | Starting org.bukkit.craftbukkit.Main
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | System Info: Java 17 (OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 17.0.1+12-39) Host: Linux 5.10.80-1-lts (amd64)
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | Loading libraries, please wait...
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | [06:42:18 INFO]: Environment: authHost='https://authserver.mojang.com', accountsHost='https://api.mojang.com', sessionHost='https://sessionserver.mojang.com', servicesHost='https://a
pi.minecraftservices.com', name='PROD'
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | [06:42:20 INFO]: Reloading ResourceManager: Default, bukkit
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | [06:42:21 INFO]: Loaded 7 recipes
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | [06:42:21 INFO]: Starting minecraft server version 1.18
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | [06:42:21 INFO]: Loading properties
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | [06:42:21 INFO]: This server is running Paper version git-Paper-16 (MC: 1.18) (Implementing API version 1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT) (Git: cb195e1)
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | [06:42:21 INFO]: Server Ping Player Sample Count: 12
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | [06:42:21 INFO]: Using 4 threads for Netty based IO
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | [06:42:22 INFO]: Default game type: SURVIVAL
paper1.18_cdt-nm-minecraft | [06:42:22 INFO]: Generating keypair
the JVM won't stop like that
even if the JVM crashes it will dumb out info and drop a hs_err file with the info in it
dying like that often screams something else killed it
inland cypress
So you're saying probably ram usage and the process just gets killed?
dapper lotus
That's the common issue
I can't really say much more with 0 info
if you're self hosting, check dmesg
inland cypress
ok
inland cypress
I can't really say much more with 0 info
Thank you for the help you've given so far.
Any clue as to why build 14 was removed though?
dapper lotus
cos it was bork
And, seriously, update
You should already be updating often, especially more-so this early into the release cycle
inland cypress
Yes, we're running newer ones now, but the world at 0,0 was generated with that jar, so it's suss.
dapper lotus
irrelevant
once again, what you're saying sounds like the spawn protection
deop everybody and see if you can build there, or set the radius in server.prop to 0
inland cypress
I'll see if we can't delete some junks and optimize ram usage. Xmx wasn't even set. We ended up giving the server 6GB of ram. In the past the server has been rediculously optimized and we could get away with only giving the server like 4 GB.
dapper lotus
I mean, if you're running out of ram, reduce Xmx
inland cypress
I'm asking for somebody and their busy at an event rn. Hopefully we can figure it out. Thanks for the help.
What you're saying with ram utilization makes a lot of sense because the server crashes less often with just one player on and exponentially gets worse as more people join. I do not have administrative access the server exibiting these symptoms, but with my own testing have not encountered this issue yet. I'm attempting to generate the world with build 16.
iron pier
oh and i forget to mention that when almost all of the heap was allocated there were "can't keep up" messages from which i suspect the gc tried hard to reclaim some space, but anyways i do some monitoring and get back when i have useful data and not just usage numbers and time frames
verbal sand
So you're saying probably ram usage and the process just gets killed?
i am getting same issue on my mc server, keep crashing and linux killing it
but adding swap ram has helped
peak pulsar
Hey elec I saw further up about feature-seeds no longer a thing for paper, I've just downloaded latest paper on a new server (no previous files) and it generated in the config, just if you didn't know or is planned to be removed?
inland cypress
i am getting same issue on my mc server, keep crashing and linux killing it
Thank you so much. I myself have not been able to repro this behaviour and I'll be fwding it to the admin
verbal sand
i recommend adding more swap ram but please check how much you have at the moment, don't give more swap ram than physical ram
gusty trench
Uh, don't rely on swap
If you're having out of memory crashes, allocate less RAM rather than more
unique nymph
How can I set one (Multiverse) world to have y go from 0 to 255 instead of -64 to 384?
dapper lotus
I'd imagine with a datapack, however the heck they work
MV has basically 0 control over that
opal zealot
anyone encounter any crazy issues with the latest experimental builds? My server is really missing dynmap haha
raven quail
@opal zealot yes. Really shouldn't be using 1.18 in your production server
Your best off opennning a test server with a 3k world boarder
fervent harness
Is the end causing a lot of issues?
opal zealot
ah ok i'll hold off until there's a stable release then
granite sparrow
I’m using 1.18 in production cause I’m built different.
long edge
There aren't any major known issues though
raven quail
My test server doesn't even have all it's plugins yet
And I'm considering waiting much longer than a couple weeks
Chunk loading hits different
unique nymph
MV has basically 0 control over that
I thought there was a paper.yml setting for the world height.
dark wigeon
if only there was api for changing min and max height in a WorldCreator
dapper lotus
No, world height is controlled by datapacks
unique nymph
So I can do that for one of my worlds?
dapper lotus
not many people have gone into the depths of horror of the datapack system to see if a custom world height thing is cleanly doable and maintainable
afaik, yes
unique nymph
ok, thanks
dapper lotus
Idk how it all works exactly, but, the system already works for different dimensions afaik
livid sleet
Has anyone encountered the server crash for some reason? I don't see any logs anywhere but it forces the sever to go down
dapper lotus
server doesn't crash without some form of logs
otherwise, generally means that the server was setup wrong and the host killed it
livid sleet
I'll review the host then. I see the host log for pebblehost closing it for some reason
peak pulsar
the per player mobcap is destroying my server
dapper lotus
wat
brazen pendant
Jo does anyone know a rankup plugin that works for 1.18
lethal warren
Jo does anyone know a rankup plugin that works for 1.18
Rankup3
dapper lotus
I mean, I severely doubt that a rankup plugin is using stuff which breaks every single mc release
lethal warren
You're right. It's not even updated for 1.18
The generally just don't break
I've just personally tested rankup3
pulsar dagger
I've seen some cursed code in rankup plugins 
mostly just some really dodgy code for manipulating advancements with internals
peak pulsar
I've seen some cursed code in rankup plugins <:PepeLa:798951090539987004>
nms to send actionbars in order to support craftbukkit
pulsar dagger
that's like not even that cursed compared to some of the stuff I've seen
plus adventure-platform can do that
rocky nest
but like craftbukkit in 2021...
peak pulsar
This was a couple of years ago, but still...
pulsar dagger
have you ever seen someone instantiate a title
rocky nest
but like craftbukkit in 2021...
vague falcon
sadly craftbukkit isn't the least yikes thing on there
rocky nest
yeah...
peak pulsar
there is a cursed chinese bukkit/forge hybrid called loliserver 
rocky nest
tacospigot, yatopia, mohist, weeeee
deft heath
Yatopia 4ever
rocky nest
(at least it's only 191 people still on yatopia)
lotta people still on tuinity as well 
peak pulsar
lots of people asking for 1.18 tuinity builds aswell
deft heath
It's normal cause Yatopia has been stopped (In 1.16.5) 😦
dry iron
I'm super intrigued about the Unknown.
rocky nest
not sure why you're sad about yatopia being discontinued, that's a very good thing
peak pulsar
I'm super intrigued about the Unknown.
those are all other forks
bstats has a whitelist
dry iron
Yeah and I want to know the breakdown of those awful license violating forks 😄
granite copper
hey, testing build 36 and upon startup I'm getting a bombardment of this type of message,
basically legacy blocktypes it seems. is there by chance something I can do to identify where this is coming from/do something about it? or is it an artifact of an outdated plugin/bug in the server jar? I don't quite know where to start. Seeing as it references the DataFixer I assumed vanilla minecraft-related.
pulsar dagger
what version are you upgrading your world from
granite copper
1.17.1, Airplane.
dapper lotus
So, not paper
pulsar dagger
you're not force upgrading, right
dapper lotus
But, that screams worldedit
granite copper
i am not
dapper lotus
or something, I don't recall that being a message from vanilla itself
granite copper
But, that screams worldedit
^ that would make sense as worldedit screams at me
pulsar dagger
I think the message would be in dfu
granite copper
I need to check if FAWE has a dev build out, still working on the plugins one at a time. I'll gladly give it a go
pulsar dagger
I meant if it was part of the server, as it's not in our source tree
but yeah WE sounds more correct
granite copper
cool, I'll disable it to check if it still spams, and also check for updates to FAWE
granite copper
yeh, kinda where I ended up.
dapper lotus
granite copper
aha
that's the bit then. I'll need to keep an eye out for dev releases and see if there are bugs as they come then
any word on LibsDisguises dev builds or where/what repo I should be looking for to track it btw? i know that's not exactly your scope but doesn't hurt to ask
dapper lotus
Your fault for being so adjacent to the horrors that is FAWE
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long edge
see ^
granite copper
lmfaooooooo
granite copper
hey thanks, but I don't see any releases for testing without just building the dang thing so I'll likely wait until that point.
granite copper
I wish there was WE but gud, unfortunately FAWE worked less jankily on my server
and thank you, I can likely dig around and look
grave charm
pinging wiz in 3, 2, ...
dapper lotus
WE is good, just, it's designed to prefer not fucking shit up muuuuuuuch more so than FAWE
heady grail
Yes but speed.
unique nymph
I haven't tried them yet, but WorldEdit and AsyncWorldEdit have updates out.
zealous idol
unique nymph
WE + AWE > FAWE
dapper lotus
AWE is eh
granite copper
WE is good, just, it's designed to prefer not fucking shit up muuuuuuuch more so...
see, for an entirely unbelievable reason, in my server on 1.17 lighting kept getting borked with regular WE
zealous idol
granite copper
and FAWE wasnt
dapper lotus
Like, it goes from being fast AF towards being slow AF between updates
granite copper
could just be the universe hating me
dapper lotus
lighting has been fucked inside of minecraft for years
granite copper
trooo
polar quarry
i had that happen since like 1.12
dapper lotus
it's no surprise that WE would expose that much harder
polar quarry
i believe updating WE helped me back then
fierce ravine
Just wait for leaf to rewrite the lighting engine
unique nymph
see, for an entirely unbelievable reason, in my server on 1.17 lighting kept get...
I think that's PlotSquared's fault.
polar quarry
starlight into (vanilla) minecraft when
granite copper
Just wait for leaf to rewrite the lighting engine
LeafLight engine when
heady grail
Just rewrite all of minecraft
dapper lotus
I love the people who yeet out a huge area of the world and are then like, "anti xray no work, wtf, see fake ores?!?!?!"
fierce ravine
And then Minecraft will magically have better lighting the next version
heady grail
That way it wont suck
zealous idol
WE has never had lighting issues that can actually be attributed to us
granite copper
love to see it
dapper lotus
Well, yea, wiz, but you see, fuck you anyways ❤️
heady grail
Well it would solve the performance issues...
fierce ravine
It's not us. It's you™️
granite copper
microsoft dat u?
heady grail
Minecraft having performance issues is as normal as the sun rising.
wise nebula
Minecraft is perfectly flawless perfectly every time
peak pulsar
is there something like viewdistancetweaks but with support for new view/sim distance
feral spire
Please just wait for paper patch to be added in 
peak pulsar
is there something important to know about simulation distance? i think its only about 4 or 5 .. even if i switch it in server.prop and spigot-conf to 10 or something like that 😮
hard flicker
Trying to get the paper 1.18 to run on Pterodactyl panel. What minecraft/build version should I use?
I'm assuming since 1.18 is experimental that latest will default to 1.17
long edge
is there something important to know about simulation distance? i think its only...
what did you set view-distance to?
long edge
I'm assuming since 1.18 is experimental that latest will default to 1.17
you can see on our downloads page (https://papermc.io/downloads) -- select at the top for 1.18/1.17.1. Use the latest build for each
not sure if pterodactyl has something specific for that, if it does, it'll pull 1.18 as we currently don't distinguish "experimental" builds on our api and just don't push super experimental ones there
that is coming soon however
hard flicker
Alright so if I select latest it should just push to 1.18 automatically
or I can use https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper/versions/1.18/builds/36/downloads/paper-1.18-36.jar as a custom jar link
to force it to 1.18 for sure
long edge
you can do either
peak pulsar
what did you set view-distance to?
i went down from 10 to 9, 8, now 7
long edge
although if "latest" is a thing that'll pull 1.18
long edge
i went down from 10 to 9, 8, now 7
simulation-distance is chunks that will tick, while view-distance are ones that don't, make sure view-distance is higher
also note that with 1.18 they changed it from a square to a circle, making it look smaller
hard flicker
although if "latest" is a thing that'll pull 1.18
Alright thank you
peak pulsar
does it make sense if viewdistance=7 simulationdistance~5?
long edge
if you'd like that, then yes. Currently the minimum for simulation distance is 5
peak pulsar
simulation-distance is chunks that will tick, while view-distance are ones that ...
but thanks for your help! 🙂 ill try
peak pulsar
does it make sense if viewdistance=7 simulationdistance~5?
even if i set simulationdistance higher than 7?
the 5 is not my configuration value, but if iam ingame i only get about 5
i have to set it in both, server.prop and spigot-conf right?
long edge
spigot.yml is per world, server.properties is globally
that is the reason it is in both
if you set simulation distance higher than 7, you'll want to raise your view distance as well, assuming that's what you want
peak pulsar
normaly i set same value for both of them, but i got simulation distance ~ 5 ingame, so i tried everything .. ill try again, with your tips, thank you 🙂
past plover
So I've been working on a 1.18 server that currently has 20 ish people on, under the paper experimental build.. we are having low tps but I'm not able to find the cause, can I get some views here?
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=15dfb2a2fd514c7e88b6e57be0ada1b0
( build 21 )
dapper lotus
update
use aikars flags
You're not meeting your mob spawn targets
You generally have too much going on, reduce entities, vd, etc, etc
half walrusBOT
past plover
Well only as far as a person could see..
dapper lotus
there is generally little reason for everything in the loaded range of a player to be ticking
past plover
Hmm so I'll just ignore it and leave at 10?
dapper lotus
if your server has too much going on, that's moreso the thing you wanna reduce
past plover
Wait until someone has a million goats 
Yeah I'll see over time with it I'll adjust as needed 👍
Tps is a solid 20 now ❤️
peak pulsar
spigot.yml is per world, server.properties is globally
i set both to 10 in server.prop again, but still only got ~5 simulation distance ingame .. the spigot configuration is laying in same filepath as server.prop ... not in world seperated folders. and it didnt got updated by my change in server.prop, there are the "old" values, 10view 7simulation
dapper lotus
the spigot config overrides server.props
peak pulsar
okay, then ill try it again with spigot conf
eternal crater
dang huge error [20:40:20 ERROR]: Error whilst processing packet net.minecraft.network.protocol.game.PacketPlayInWindowClick@7c767779 for AndyIsHereBoi[/my.ip.was.here:56721] net.minecraft.ReportedException: Container click at net.minecraft.world.inventory.AbstractContainerMenu.clicked(AbstractContainerMenu.java:386) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.server.network.ServerGamePacketListenerImpl.handleContainerClick(ServerGamePacketListenerImpl.java:2758) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.network.protocol.game.ServerboundContainerClickPacket.handle(ServerboundContainerClickPacket.java:58) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.network.protocol.game.ServerboundContainerClickPacket.handle(ServerboundContainerClickPacket.java:13) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.network.protocol.PacketUtils.lambda$ensureRunningOnSameThread$1(PacketUtils.java:56) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.server.TickTask.run(TickTask.java:18) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-10] at net.minecraft.util.thread.BlockableEventLoop.doRunTask(BlockableEventLoop.java:149) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.util.thread.ReentrantBlockableEventLoop.doRunTask(ReentrantBlockableEventLoop.java:23) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.doRunTask(MinecraftServer.java:1412) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-10] at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.c(MinecraftServer.java:189) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-10] at net.minecraft.util.thread.BlockableEventLoop.pollTask(BlockableEventLoop.java:122) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.pollTaskInternal(MinecraftServer.java:1390) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-10] at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.pollTask(MinecraftServer.java:1383) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-10] at net.minecraft.util.thread.BlockableEventLoop.managedBlock(BlockableEventLoop.java:132) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.waitUntilNextTick(MinecraftServer.java:1361) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-10] at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.runServer(MinecraftServer.java:1267) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-10] at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.lambda$spin$0(MinecraftServer.java:316) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-10] at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:833) ~[?:?] Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "net.minecraft.world.item.trading.MerchantRecipe.asBukkit()" because "merchantOffer" is null at net.minecraft.world.inventory.MerchantResultSlot.onTake(MerchantResultSlot.java:55) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.world.inventory.Slot.safeTake(Slot.java:123) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-10] at java.util.Optional.ifPresent(Optional.java:178) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.world.inventory.Slot.safeTake(Slot.java:123) ~[paper-1.18.jar:git-Paper-10] at net.minecraft.world.inventory.AbstractContainerMenu.doClick(AbstractContainerMenu.java:637) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.world.inventory.AbstractContainerMenu.clicked(AbstractContainerMenu.java:371) ~[?:?] ... 17 more [20:40:20 INFO]: AndyIsHereBoi lost connection: Packet processing error [20:40:20 INFO]: AndyIsHereBoi left the game
i was pressing q in the crafting menu
my inventory was full so i would craft then throw it out
dapper lotus
Most of what I understood of that was that it was plugins
somebody would need to test in a plugin free environment
But, like, update...
peak pulsar
okay, then ill try it again with spigot conf
now i set both values to 11, after server restart the values in server.prop didnt changed, are still on 10. ingame simulation-dinstance is now at about ~6
eternal crater
the only plugin i have is coreprotect
dapper lotus
Thats literally one of the first few builds which compiled
eternal crater
it said it was updated to 1.18
dapper lotus
/version
eternal crater
im 26 behind
golden pulsar
.version
feral spire
hellll update
golden pulsar
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dapper lotus
They have less issues, etc
These are early builds, if you're not able to update often you shouldn't be using them.
eternal crater
i didnt ask for support i was just sharing the error
past plover
O
peak pulsar
now i set both values to 11, after server restart the values in server.prop didn...
if i place a cow its about 4 chunks, if i place a portal from Dimensions plugin, the inner texture is visible to 6 chunks - the simulation and view distance are set to 11 in spigot, "pre-value" from server.prop didnt change are still on 10 both
eternal crater
yes
native hornet
what does that do for anyone
bro heres an error I got from mc 1.8
its unsupported, but heres an error
eternal crater
ya i guess
long edge
be nice, they obviously didn't know
peak pulsar
is there a command where i can see simulated distance ingame?
peak pulsar
if i place a cow its about 4 chunks, if i place a portal from Dimensions plugin,...
i dont understand what iam doing wrong XD
feral spire
You have to read your server.properties file
peak pulsar
both distances are set to 10 in server.prop
feral spire
so you have 10 in total.
If you upgraded from an old 1.17 world, check your spigot.yml file to see if you have any old view distance overwrite.
peak pulsar
is there only the one spigot conf in "main file path"? or got every world its own
feral spire
if you've set them for each world in the past, you may have multiple yes,
peak pulsar
so i just could copy paste them and set different values for each world, or only use one in main filepath and its for all worlds the same
past plover
Dannnng 20 people dced with keepalive timeout error 😔
feral spire
so i just could copy paste them and set different values for each world, or only...
that's correct.
peak pulsar
i think i got all possible combinations now, most time got simulation distance from about 4-5 ingame.. also deleted spigot conf from main filepath and placed it in world folder, view distance is okay, but cow disapears at about 4-5 chunks and plugin portal at about 5-6
btw, is this okay?: [04:02:20 INFO]: Paper: Using Java 11 compression from Velocity. [04:02:20 INFO]: Paper: Using Java cipher from Velocity. 😬
dapper lotus
yes
feral spire
cow disappears, it can be either 1. your entity tracking ranges or 2. your client entity scroll
peak pulsar
ok please give me one moment i try to understand xd
ill check my client .. is it enough if its on fantastic with 24 chunks? ^^
feral spire
entity rendering distance something something like that
feral spire
no
peak pulsar
iam sorry, i dont find this option ingame
long edge
video settings -> entity distance
peak pulsar
both on 24
long edge
but, for server side see entity-tracking-range in server.properties
4 what
it's set in blocks
lone gyro
LMAO
peak pulsar
but, for server side see `entity-tracking-range` in server.properties
ok ill check, that sounds usefull
didnt find it there, you mean spigot conf? there i found:
entity-tracking-range: players: 48 animals: 48 monsters: 48 misc: 32 other: 64
long edge
yeah I misspoke, spigot.yml
peak pulsar
you think my settings are ok
that cow should not disappear after 4 chunks ... and plugin-portal after 6
long edge
well, a cow is an animal
so that has cows disappearing after 48 blocks
which is 3 chunks
peak pulsar
got it - thank you for your patience
peak pulsar
i tried it with values up to 250 at every value, didnt worked for cow either for plugin-portal .. did it with spigot-conf in main path and also in world-path. thanks again for your patience, ill try it another time 🙈😅
smoky bloom
yo i wanted to start a smp with 1.18, im guessing that it isnt recommended tho (with paper)?
peak pulsar
Not yet no
It’s still in experimental phases
As you can tell by this channels name
smoky bloom
ah
peak pulsar
okay, so I noticed a huge drop in mob spawning rate since switching to 1.18, anyone else notice this?
eternal crater
theres alot more area to spawn right
peak pulsar
but the same amount inside spawn range I think?
feral spire
Can you post a timings?
sullen hawk
would the experimental 1.18 paper jar be ok to use for a vanilla Minecraft server with minimal plugins right now
modest notch
would the experimental 1.18 paper jar be ok to use for a vanilla Minecraft serve...
Dunno, Has anyone actually experienced corruption or any major issues with the 1.18 experimental builds?
if not id say it would be pretty ok but they dont recommend you do
dark wigeon
pretty much fine, a few issues and unported patches
sullen hawk
K thank you
sand spindle
How compatible are worlds from 1.17 - 1.18, anyone tested this?
does it still generate new 1.18 features without issue?
feral spire
ofcoz
cloud phoenix
just noticed my server crashed, I'm on #36 and only run a few plugins. Can you guys make sense of this crash log? https://pastebin.com/xyAkCS4h
It mentions Multiverse-Inventories but I'm not sure if that was the issue
rocky nest
sync file loading 
cloud phoenix
so it was multiverse?
dapper lotus
it doing blocking IO didn't help
But, we can't really comment on the tail end of the server pooping itself
the next trace showed that the server was saving player data to the disk
modern lintel
Is this vanilla bug? I increased the viee distance but it looks like 8 or something.
Yes, i set it to 20 but its on my PC I'm aware
cloud phoenix
on a server?
dapper lotus
what's the servers VD?
cloud phoenix
view distance is capped on the max of a server
dapper lotus
Do note that mojang is also tweaking the fog in .1
vague falcon
tmk the fog/vd being MUCH closer than selected is also a bug and also fixed in .1
modern lintel
on a server?
Yes, in the server.properties
ember geyser
helo guys are there any server performance bosting plugins for 1.18
grave charm
vivid ironBOT
message.txt by @crude orchid: https://paste.gg/642cd52aad95470fb05f42c55db62ffd
pulsar dagger
update
crude orchid
oh theres an update
pulsar dagger
this was "fixed" in spigot, whether it's properly fixed is another question, but it will stop the errors
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
neon shard
Is world gen in paper broken currently or can I use this chance to pregen?
naive kiln
Afaik the current known outstanding issues aren't worldgen related but until it hits stable there's always a risk something will fuck up, so proceed at your own risk
polar quarry
Is world gen in paper broken currently or can I use this chance to pregen?
paper doesn't replace world gen, its just vanilla
(might be faster to pregen a huge map with fabric + lithium + starlight?)
peak pulsar
Build 14 had worldgen issues, latest is fine
viscid lily
I have a question. Is 1.18 need more ram to allocate? Becouse the chunks are bigger so I think the server would need more ram
polar quarry
yea, a bit
steel dagger
i had a usage around 20 GB Ram when we first logged in after converting from 1.17.1, but after a while it got down to 12 GB Ram steady - which my 1.17.1 was (~10) also happy with. So my guess is, it should only slightly increase
oh, potato said it with fewer words 😄
frozen spear
so far I haven't seen an insane ram increase, so I guess not many if none
viscid lily
20gb ram? So how much you allocated with java started flags? I only allocating 10gb becouse more can cause old generation freezes
frozen spear
yeah dont allocate 20gb lol the maximum maximum should be 16 tbf
snow merlin
idk if this is the right question to ask here, but can you have 64 render distance without using optifine? i found that sodium really helps a ton and i would like to see how it performs at 64 RD is there a mod that does that?
polar quarry
you might be interested in the bobby fabric mod
no server is going to send you 64 chunks worth of view distance so client-side mods are the only practical solution
snow merlin
ok and if i want to try it on singleplayer?
snow merlin
?? the slider only goes to 32 and if i change the config file it still only renders 32 chunks
steel dagger
Well, I allocated 24 GB to use, if needed. Running the Server since a year, never had any issues with freezing?! Did I have luck or the right combination with Processors?
polar quarry
as far as i know you need to assign over 8 gb of ram for the slider to go up (at least that was my experience for a while with old minecraft)
dapper lotus
Mods out outside of the realm of paper so if you're having issues with it, we can't help you
uneven pagoda
These setting are currently not implemented yet?
dapper lotus
seemingly not
snow merlin
as far as i know you need to assign over 8 gb of ram for the slider to go up (at...
ok i will try that thanks
polar quarry
Well, I allocated 24 GB to use, if needed. Running the Server since a year, neve...
why would you ever run a minecraft server with 24 gb of ram
thats like 3x what you need
steel dagger
It was helpful when letting chunks active, preloading then around players and using dynamp? Not any other particular reason I guess
Tbh, it just has 96gb of ram, so it was like - okay - take that.
Ok, i somehow did something stupid, but can’t figure out where I went wrong. Is it running better with less? 😂
polar quarry
its likely java is slow at garbage collecting 24 gigabytes of minecraft stuff
but if you haven't had any problems then... whatever
steel dagger
Huh, anyways I’ll look into that - thanks for the hint
upbeat copper
I get this error with a plugin, is there any easy way to solve?
Failed to load NMS for this server version: version v1_18_R1 not found
the plugin needs to update
rare orchid
is paperweight userdev for 1.18 supported?
earnest birch
Yes
rare orchid
having issues when applying patches to the decompiled jar
patch failed: .gradle/caches/paperweight/setupCache/patchedSourcesJar.jar--1109140845/net/minecraft/world/level/LevelAccessor.java:21
Kill your .gradle folder and try again.
timid solstice
These expermintal builds are ready for survival or not yet?
earnest birch
Be sure to use an up to date userdev plugin and development bundle of 1.18
peak pulsar
These expermintal builds are ready for survival or not yet?
They should be, just be sure to take regular backups
timid solstice
Hmmmmm ok
rare orchid
deleted .gradle, the patch error still happens
userdev version 1.3.2-SNAPSHOT (tested on 1.3.1 as well)
wait nevermind, it was different error this time
Execution of C:\Users\yk\.gradle\caches\modules-2\files-2.1\net.minecraftforge\forgeflower\1.5.498.22\c28db7d9b0369e45e04cec64489e4ba6101892cd\forgeflower-1.5.498.22.jar failed with exit code 1
I'm on JDK 17.0.1, gradle 7.3
earnest birch
No clue, not using Windows. Everything works for me.
Cannot say if your setup is bad or if it's a Windows problem.
rare orchid
maybe I should come back to this when 1.18 is out of experimental phase
pulsar dagger
userdev version `1.3.2-SNAPSHOT` (tested on 1.3.1 as well)
don't use a snapshot for no reason
dapper lotus
The tooling works fine bar some issues with old versions
pulsar dagger
use the version that the version of paper you're using is using
pulsar dagger
```
patch failed: .gradle/caches/paperweight/setupCache/patchedSourcesJar.jar--1...
nuke .gradle to fix this
pulsar dagger
```
Execution of C:\Users\yk\.gradle\caches\modules-2\files-2.1\net.minecraftfor...
the log for this will be in .gradle/caches/paperweight/setupCache/decompileJar.log or something
rare orchid
I deleted .gradle and now I'm getting forgeflower bug
pulsar dagger
probably oom
I have a fix for that patch failing issue locally just need to test it
but it would be for 1.3.2 which is blocked on some other stuff too
rare orchid
....oh, just checked the log
I feel extremely dumb now
pulsar dagger
idk what that error means
rare orchid
basically not enough memory
dapper lotus
os commit memory
dapper lotus
apparently that error specifically points to a page file error
But, yea, you need more ram
decompiling is not a cheap thing
polar quarry
....oh, just checked the log
I feel extremely dumb now
y-you don't use monospaced fonts in your terminal????????????????
rare orchid
well this is just notepad++
amber mica
idk that font and color scheme looks pretty nice
earnest birch
How much memory do you have? Kaban
rare orchid
23.9 GB
well I had minecraft open at that time
earnest birch
And without other stuff open, it works?
rare orchid
yes
timber parcel
It seems that the wheel click event is not working in the plug-in GUI. Is there a solution to this? Paper 1.18 #36 build is being used.
warped sleet
Which plugin GUI?
plucky granite
is it just me or server's lagging a lot when players trying to join the server
polar quarry
...how would we know?
plucky granite
nvm it's just one of my plugins causing the lag
hollow notch
I like this errors [11:45:55] [Server thread/WARN]: UUID of added entity already exists: EntitySheep['Sheep'/44, uuid='554a9fe5-0db7-4c00-8e39-ca378fb30384', l='ServerLevel[world]', x=96.74, y=68.00, z=-69.53, cpos=[6, -5], tl=73145, v=false] no plugins
I don´t know if some build have some issues, but i get this when update and start updated 1.18 (it stop showing up after some restarts).
dapper lotus
jshell> (int) 63.74 >> 4
$1 ==> 3
It shouldn't even be in that chunk
But, this is the general shit with mojang and this stuff
hollow notch
really? ether way this location end up inside a stoneblock 🙂
So I think it should bee impossible to spawn there in first place.
uneven pagoda
I think that it's possible to remove region/*.mca, change world seed and generate it again, but entities are remain the same from previous chunks because they saved in entites/*.mca..
(just for example)
next owl
It seems that the wheel click event is not working in the plug-in GUI. Is there ...
hey
it works for me
i updated the plugin
hollow notch
I think that it's possible to remove region/\*.mca, change world seed and genera...
alright, this is new generated world in 1.18.
next owl
check if it is updated
uneven pagoda
But why and how the server saves entity that in one chunk in another, idk
hollow notch
yeah i have see this in 1.16 too (not often but happen i get similar error).
vivid bluff
Shows 2 offline mode plugins.
Alright brother.
There is more to the error than that.
Also what kind of 🗑️ are you running the server on?
peak pulsar
the server crashes after turning on
As you've already been told, we don't support offline mode here
uneven pagoda
https://posili.me/i/2021-12-05_13-46-54.png
oh shi
vivid bluff
Daily reminder: https://posili.me/i/2020-02-23_22-57-17.png
13827s for people who can't zoom.
uneven pagoda
after that, it doesn't seem to me that my server running for 20s with 70 plugins was poor
dusty bluff
As you've already been told, we don't support offline mode here
SANK!!!
uneven pagoda
how do people have so much time?
dapper lotus
wat
uneven pagoda
"THANKS" maybe
dapper lotus
Drop the caps
You've provided 0 useful info and we're not required to care to pester you to provide the info you should of provided in the first place
er, wa
what do you mean "reflection APIs"
earnest birch
Worst thing you can do
dapper lotus
Reflection is literally a core part of java
Unless you mean some stupid arse "util" thing which leads to aweful code often, same ones for 1.17 should work for 1.18
idk any tools which cared to use the mappings in the past given that they need to work on spigot too
earnest birch
Then use userdev
dapper lotus
and no project generally wants to care to go out of their way to bundle mappings which become outdated over time with their libs
Yea, cos nms is no longer relocated
remove the code which does the nms version thing ?
earnest birch
Just no. Do not use reflection if you can avoid it
Not meaning you cat
It's guessing instead of knowing
Use api?
dapper lotus
That's literally exposed in papers API
livid vigil
peak pulsar
pretty sure that's even a part of spigot api
earnest birch
I bet that half of the stuff you're using with nms is exposed via api
I see so many plugins using NMS where it can be avoided.
Reason there is that they maintain a plugin written in a way older version and just copied over the NMS stuff and adapted it for the new version.
Instead looking into API is the first thing you shout do. You basically can avoid maintenance costs by using the new API.
next owl
dapper lotus
is always nice when you get drop NMS code for something which can use the API
It's like, you're shifting the responsibility over to somebody else
Well, except for me; I'm shifting it to the paper team 😄 wait
zealous idol
meanwhile worldedit
earnest birch
Wiz with userdev it got a lot better with maintenance. At least I expect it.
zealous idol
i mean in terms of preferring nms to api
with WE we have been having to do more and more stuff with nms as versions go on
next owl
auto re-start plugin broke
earnest birch
cron job?
earnest birch
Sad. Needing a plugin for auto restarting.
signal zealot
since #41 my SMP just hangs up if someone joins the world near a villager breeder (many villager may collide there)
vivid ironBOT
since #41 my SMP just hangs up if someone joins the world near a villager breede...
2021-12-05-7.log by @signal zealot: https://paste.gg/97e365b44d82428085fe114e16b150c5
fossil light
can confirm above error
killed the villager to make sure it wasn't bugged out or anything, happens whenever the villagers start sleeping
tiny prairie
villagers are so bugged now
fossil light
updated to 42 to make sure it wasn't a issue with the jar or fixed already or whatever
vivid ironBOT
latest.log by @fossil light: https://paste.gg/2b01ae8f7e844e8e8a9d08701a5e9d5e
covert jolt
what are you hosting this on
fossil light
860k @ 4.5 ghz, 6gb of ram allocated to container
untold spire
i'm running beta testing on a 1.18 anarchy server and haven't come into contact with any issues with paper so far
covert jolt
can you try downgrading to https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper/versions/1.18/builds/40/downloads/paper-1.18-40.jar
peak pulsar
what are you hosting this on
Might have to do with the recent optimizations
covert jolt
yeah thinking the same
try downgrading to https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper/versions/1.18/builds/38/downloads/paper-1.18-38.jar if that doesn't work
signal zealot
can you try downgrading to https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper/versions/1.1...
works
fossil light
will do
hexed panther
does the latest release of paper stop the plugin plugin manager from working? updated and now it doesnt even pick it up as a plugin
fossil light
40 doesn't seem to have any issues
hexed panther
im on 42
covert jolt
40 doesn't seem to have any issues
you'll probably want to create an issue on github describing the issue
@pulsar dagger will probably look at it once he's up
fossil light
alrighty
white robin
I'll send a build here in just a minute, plz test if that works then
@signal zealot @fossil light can you test this build pretty please:
signal zealot
no issues so far
same. No issues
hexed panther
trying to get pluginmanager plugin to work. it was working on Paper-24. But since updating it has not worked. I tried on versions: 36, 40, 42, 43.
I deleted the PluginManager config folder every time before starting server back up
dense river
Looks like your config is broken
hexed panther
Looks like your config is broken
plugin config for it? cos if so i deleted the folder every time
dapper lotus
Spigot made some changes earlier to that logic
hexed panther
so there is nothing i can do? and its on spigot not paper?
bold lark
Do you guys know how I can update a server from one experimental build to another?
peak pulsar
Swap out the jar for the latest one
hexed panther
feel like if u dont know how to do that, u probs shouldnt be running experimental
hexed panther
how u know?
peak pulsar
updated to 42 to make sure it wasn't a issue with the jar or fixed already or wh...
^, knenny just pushed a commit that reverts the change that caused this, a build will be ready soon™️
peak pulsar
@white robin ^
white robin
no, we have it tracked
fossil light
alrighty
white robin
or uh, nvm, please do, so we have more server info
previous Paper ver, plugin list, and the error
hexed panther
i hope this fixes my issue too 😄
dapper lotus
your issue is entirely irrelevant
hexed panther
i dont even know my issue
patent epoch
okay, so I noticed a huge drop in mob spawning rate since switching to 1.18, any...
Not perhaps related to mobs now only spawning in light=0 areas?
dapper lotus
i dont even know my issue
bad spigot commit, next build of paper should patch it (OG author who made the change on spigot already PR'd a fix to them, so, just yoinked that)
hexed panther
next build as in 44 or the next one
hexed panther
is it a public server? with people on
next owl
ye public
hexed panther
yh probs why
hexed panther
hexed panther
then probs hardware issue
mine seems faster than 1.17.1 server
my plugins load faster, behave faster and seems alround better
next owl
are your chunks pregenerated
no
hexed panther
thats probs why then
next owl
ye
hexed panther
ur tp, to a chunk then it gotta generate it all
next owl
it only happens on rtp
hexed panther
even worse now u got twice the amount of blocks in a chunk
hexed panther
well it will help with this
hexed panther
yes it is
peak pulsar
maybe its different in 18
hexed panther
pregerating chunks have always been a massive gain over server lag.
rare orchid
Hmm? Now when I try to build a plugin on paperweight userdev it fails at fixing minecraft server jar
Cannot invoke "String.charAt(int)" because "internalName" is null
let me clear .gradle again i guess
dapper lotus
rm ~/.gradle/caches
peak pulsar
pregerating chunks have always been a massive gain over server lag.
not rlly
fervent fog
i got the newest paper version on my server. now the pigmen in my gold farm dont drop any xp.
patent epoch
patent epoch
pregerating chunks have always been a massive gain over server lag.
Um...
proper girder
Hey, We are running a paper 1.18 server and for some reason the server uses around 4GB memory, Lags (even though CPU usage is low) it uses 4GB/4GB memory and any attempts at trying to solve the memory usage are just meet with server crashes instead of some --- DO NOT REPORT THIS TO PAPER - THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A CRASH - git-Paper-36 (MC: 1.18) --- messages.
Are there any 1.18 specific start args that are recommended?
fervent fog
i got the newest paper version on my server. now the pigmen in my gold farm dont...
anyone know?
proper girder
Right now, It's default but i have tried many flags.
java -Xms128M -Xmx4096M -Dterminal.jline=false -Dterminal.ansi=true -jar server.jar
feral spire
We both failed lol
vivid ironBOT
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feral spire
Right now, It's default but i have tried many flags.
`java -Xms128M -Xmx4096M -...
4G is really the new minimum tbh but here https://startmc.sh/
Are you running plugin too with players?
Then 4G is reaallllllly the bare minimum
proper girder
I've already tried the above, With the added args that are recommended instead of hanging the server crashes.
feral spire
If you are running in container, you will need to reserve for it
proper girder
I'm trying to find out if there is anything specific to 1.18 and java 17
dapper lotus
if you mean, 100% memory usage, 0% CPU, if ptero, reduce Xmx
beyond that, stuff like that requires deeper analysis
easiest option is often to see if you can reproduce it without plugins™, etc
proper girder
The issue, Is this,
[14:52:20 ERROR]: ------------------------------
[14:52:20 ERROR]: Server thread dump (Look for plugins here before reporting to Paper!):
[14:52:20 ERROR]: ------------------------------
[14:52:20 ERROR]: Current Thread: Server thread
[14:52:20 ERROR]: PID: 23 | Suspended: false | Native: false | State: RUNNABLE
[14:52:20 ERROR]: Stack:
[14:52:20 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.level.ServerChunkCache.tickChunks(ServerChunkCache.java:1010)
[14:52:20 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.level.ServerChunkCache.tick(ServerChunkCache.java:923)
[14:52:20 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.level.ServerLevel.tick(ServerLevel.java:622)
[14:52:20 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.tickChildren(MinecraftServer.java:1607)
[14:52:20 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.dedicated.DedicatedServer.tickChildren(DedicatedServer.java:480)
[14:52:20 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.tickServer(MinecraftServer.java:1470)
[14:52:20 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.runServer(MinecraftServer.java:1264)
[14:52:20 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.lambda$spin$0(MinecraftServer.java:317)
[14:52:20 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer$$Lambda$3924/0x00000008013fab40.run(Unknown Source)
[14:52:20 ERROR]: java.base@17.0.1/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:833)
[14:52:20 ERROR]: ------------------------------
[14:52:20 ERROR]: --- DO NOT REPORT THIS TO PAPER - THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A CRASH ---```And i know it says don't report to paper
dapper lotus
otherwise it gets into stuff like heap dumps and a profiler
proper girder
But there are 0 plugins being used, 4GB memory should really handle the server well.
With 2 players..
plucky granite
bro my server's struggling to run 1.18 with 8gb of ram, always getting out of memory error like every 30 minutes
gusty trench
How much RAM does your machine have?
proper girder
^ yeah, We gave our customer 8GB too just to see if it improved and the errors still persist.
fierce ravine
theres still some issues with chunk gen if you ask me
feral spire
Both of you if you run with container pls set the limit properly
fervent fog
anyone can help with my issue? xd
proper girder
i got the newest paper version on my server. now the pigmen in my gold farm dont...
Oh lord 😛
feral spire
i got the newest paper version on my server. now the pigmen in my gold farm dont...
Are they being killed by player?
Also please test without plugin
feral spire
Try hit it once and push it down and see if you get exp
fierce ravine
afaik mobs dont drop xp if they're not killed by a player
feral spire
I thought you only get exp if it’s damaged by player 
proper girder
When you mention setting the limit properly, What are you referring to?
feral spire
When you mention setting the limit properly, What are you referring to?
Container limit
fervent fog
when there killed by entity cramming then you get exp
on the paper number 27 it worked fine
plain solstice
And your now on build nr ?
proper girder
The limit is set, If you're referring to memory.
feral spire
Show me your system memory, and the limit you set.
proper girder
This is one 4GB server on a node with 256GB, We isolated it.
plain solstice
If the container limit is set to 8gb you can't set mc to 8 gb as it has some overhead try 6 or 7 gb
Or set container limit higher
proper girder
Yeah, We made some edits.
feral spire
If you only gives 4G to container your server will be like 2G max
proper girder
Customers can use 10% over their limit if needed.
proper girder
For example, Right now our customer is using 4.2 GB / 4 GB
feral spire
You will still run into OOM for sure
fervent fog
when there killed by entity cramming then you get exp
so i found out that the xp does not come to the player it is stuck on the minecarts/behind a trapdoor. Normally it would fall down and fly to me
feral spire
so i found out that the xp does not come to the player it is stuck on the mineca...
Disable exp merging
In spigot.yml
To see if that helps
And if not, test against vanilla then open an issue
fervent fog
okay thanks i will do that
fervent fog
Disable exp merging
so i only found this:
merge-radius:
exp: 3.0
item: 2.5
what sould i do there
feral spire
-1 for exp
fervent fog
okay thank you
proper girder
So, Would you recommend the following startup commands.
-XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200 -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:G1NewSizePercent=30 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=40 -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=8M -XX:G1ReservePercent=20 -XX:G1HeapWastePercent=5 -XX:G1MixedGCCountTarget=4 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=15 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=90 -XX:G1RSetUpdatingPauseTimePercent=5 -XX:SurvivorRatio=32 -XX:+PerfDisableSharedMem -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -Daikars.new.flags=true -Dusing.aikars.flags=https://mcflags.emc.gs -jar
With obviously the memory set and jar at the end
plain solstice
I would recomand to set -1 exp for only the nether then other world still have the performance boost
dapper lotus
Often it's just a case of setting it low enough to not merge through stuff where unexpected
Like, that item one is like 10x the vanilla radius, but, for items it doesn't matter as much
fervent fog
-1 for exp
this resolved my issue thanks again
feral spire
this resolved my issue thanks again
Read note on slachy
You can make it only do so in nether
feral spire
Often it's just a case of setting it low enough to not merge through stuff where...
What I observed is that exp changes their position slightly each merge and sometime they will just all merge into the bundle that is stuck in minecart
it also get stuck in vanilla but player do not notice coz it is treated individually
dapper lotus
o.O
feral spire
Idk maybe I suck at explaining 
plain solstice
Isn't there a max amount exp merge ?
feral spire
Yes so eventually some will come down but it will now appear less
dapper lotus
You can configure that in paper, yea
balmy violet
hey, is anyone getting some increasing ram usage overtime with paper?
we are using version #20 because it was working fine for us, except this
is this fixed on the later commits?
feral spire
Please define what do you mean by increasing ram usage
Your ram allocation is defined by your Xmx flag
brave drift
you should update regardless. it's an experimental build and you're 27 commits behind
balmy violet
increasing ram as in, when we start the server, it uses around 2GB, then when time passes, it goes up without going down again until it crashes
hexed panther
u should have the min and max the same anyways
assuming ur getting the ram data from some panel or somethig
balmy violet
you should update regardless. it's an experimental build and you're 27 commits b...
we were staying at #20 because we didn't find any gamebreaking bugs on that and we decided to not risk.
should we use always the latest then?
vivid bluff
prime oak
Looks nice 😂
balmy violet
u should have the min and max the same anyways
the min and max are always the same. what changes is the usage in the pterodactyl panel
brave drift
we were staying at #20 because we didn't find any gamebreaking bugs on that and ...
the latest version will have the least amount of bugs
balmy violet
the latest version will have the least amount of bugs
thank you! i'll update
vivid bluff
Looks nice 😂
Thanks.
prime oak
What version?
vivid bluff
Latest 1.18.
peak pulsar
might wanna make an issue for that lol
vivid bluff
Can't. Cursed world and all that.
latent parrot
Check if this is vanilla behaviour btw 😅 If so there is most likely some mojang bug report already
e.g. grab the seed and throw it at a vanilla server
latent parrot
😂 microbiomes
vivid bluff
Amazing.
prime oak
Oh wow it is expected behavior. Odd
peak pulsar
theyve ruined the game
true bloom
He looks lost XD
vivid bluff
true bloom
ooow haha
tired timber
serious?
vivid bluff
Yeah.
dusk sierra
seed?
vivid bluff
Nope.
tired timber
it means it was done on purpose?.. I don't believe that this can happen
dapper lotus
The things are just slapped into the world as is
dusk sierra
sus
sacred kiln
Are there any game breaking bugs I should worry about?
mortal token
Are there any game breaking bugs I should worry about?
yes mining wood
tired timber
btw, electroniccat, if you remember, I told you about my flags. they are really not much better than the flags from aikar. ty for the explanation.
peak pulsar
This channel doesn't have the bot
mortal token
ohhhhhhhh
peak pulsar
and it's not a slash command yet
mortal token
im being dumb oops
half walrusBOT
carmine night
https://startmc.sh/
That's cool
thin jetty
and it's not a slash command yet
hey! Are you sure about that?
peak pulsar
well now it is
tired whale
.startmc
Might as well just use the reboot script https://gist.github.com/Prof-Bloodstone/6367eb4016eaf9d1646a88772cdbbac5
mortal token
k
jade gorge
is it me or is the middle click packets doesn't respond to the server side for plugins to respond back (like clicksort)
jade gorge
hopefully its not blocked on the client side
jade gorge
I think I just saw an open bug report on spigot for this?
thx m8
grave charm
I haven’t looked at it at all, but yeah, if the client isn’t sending them, then (probably) nothing we can do
tired whale
is it me or is the middle click packets doesn't respond to the server side for p...
I’m having that same issue with Chestsort
grave charm
Yeah, that’s one of the plugins mentioned in that issue I just linked as “not working”
grave charm
That’s not a good sign
jade gorge
I'm really scared about this
signal finch
I don't use middle click at all. If the spigot api broke, it makes me first think the client is simply not sending it.
Why would the client send a packet it didn't expect to do anything
jade gorge
I don't use middle click at all. If the spigot api broke, it makes me first thin...
fair point
feral spire
I’m having that same issue with Chestsort
server side chest sort is pretty outdated. Tell people to use Inventory Profiles Next
signal finch
I know that is inconvenient for us. Just the reason for why I would think it could break
peak pulsar
Wiki.vg describes it as
Middle click, only defined for creative players in non-player inventories.
grave charm
Did that change recently?
dapper lotus
Mojang have been messing around with inventories recently
peak pulsar
doesn't someone here have a (private) gh repo tracking client source changes?
dapper lotus
Like, maybe they stopped sending an unneeded packet or filtere d it out somewhere
peak pulsar
Did that change recently?
That part of wiki.vg didn't change from 1.17
dapper lotus
The packet won't change, the impl will
peak pulsar
I know, just weird that the docs already stated the previously incorrect behaviour
grave charm
Yeah, ^ is what I was wondering about
dapper lotus
what docs?
latent parrot
Yea the server is not getting a ServerboundContainerClickPacket when a player in survival middle clicks an item without an item stack on cursor
at least according to my trusty intellij debugger
signal finch
https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-46584
Marked fixed for 1.18 pre release 1. So they resolved the problem of survival incorrectly sending the packet, I presume
stone cairn
if i just want to open a server to whitelist people (without port forwarding so no one can join) until a stable build releases, and i want to use geyser/floodgate, does the current build have any stability issues that would stop that?
feral spire
yes
west bone
this is the wrong place, but does anyone know what perm ppl need to use /geyser offhand
feral spire
ask geyser
feral spire
#community-guilds they have a dedicated guild
stone cairn
alright i'll wait then
grave charm
😒 my mojira report not getting a lot of love https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-235045.
I do like how some guy just copied my post and put it below claiming it as “additional info”
feral spire
😒 my mojira report not getting a lot of love <https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC...
where is upvote I will help you
regal sun
Hey guys, just checking in to see if no-tick view distance is in the latest experimental build
regal sun
Thank you mister boterino
tired whale
server side chest sort is pretty outdated. Tell people to use Inventory Profiles...
Oh yeah? Never heard of that. I’ll look into it.
feral spire
it's a fabric mod and it will not have any performance impact like server side mod has. I love it 
jade gorge
was gonna ask for an alternative for client-side to sort items
thx m8
feral spire
https://modrinth.com/mod/inventory-profiles-next/versions for both @tired whale @jade gorge
cloud phoenix
lol
tired whale
<https://modrinth.com/mod/inventory-profiles-next/versions> for both <@120072071...
Good lord this is much more customizable than what I was using haha. Looks awesome.
jade gorge
Good lord this is much more customizable than what I was using haha. Looks aweso...
true, wish I've found out this sooner
cloud phoenix
any other neat lil mods now that we're at it? 👀
grave charm
https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-46584
Marked fixed for 1.18 pre release 1. So ...
yeah, I see exactly where they added a creative mode check.
man, I swear it will send the packet if you are using the touchscreen option on the client...
I gotta try this
hexed panther
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=263b33a5d35c480ca834e649968a757a#timings
is there a reason for my G1 Old to be like that
peak pulsar
man, I swear it will send the packet if you are using the touchscreen option on ...
wait what lol
grave charm
I see the check in the client for creative mode, but it looks like it only applies for the logic for non-touchscreen clicks
snow merlin
what exactly is starlight? is it a fabric mod? is it going to be implemented in paper?
hexed panther
it is
snow merlin
oh cool
feral spire
Starlight has client mod too @snow merlin but currently not working with sodium 1.18. It aims to fix vanilla light bug like chunk border lava by rewriting the light engine altogether
snow merlin
Thanks
hexed panther
ping me in reply to my question if anyone sees it 😄 thanks
feral spire
Mob spawn range too short @hexed panther follow guide
feral spire
How low is your ticking distance 
feral spire
10 view I saw now
hexed panther
yh then sim should be 4
feral spire
Simulation is minimum of 5 btw
hexed panther
thats dumb af
feral spire
Ask Mojang
hexed panther
so what happens if its below 5? defaults to 5 or uses view distance?
feral spire
Great question probably default? idk honestly
You can safely turn down your mob to 21-25 btw if you are keeping mob spawn range to 4
Rn your mob density is actually higher than vanilla
hexed panther
yh it will upon next reboot
round widget
would probably be worth to inspect gc logs
grave charm
fair point
can you try to see if you take an item, and hold it in your cursor in a chest inventory, and then middle click on another item of the same type?
half walrusBOT
feral spire
@hexed panther ^ also come back with spark next time
grave charm
can you try to see if you take an item, and hold it in your cursor in a chest in...
I was able to send a "middle click" packet when I did that
hexed panther
yh 😄
feral spire
Go over the guide and make those changes and follow up with spark if yo can @hexed panther
unreal bone
Is there any ETA for the stable update ?
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
feral spire
whats the spark commands to use again?
Use regular one will be fine so /spark profiler then /spark profiler —stop
hexed panther
Simulation is minimum of 5 btw
running world.getSimulationDistance() it returns 4. does this mean its not doing anything or ur wrong?
feral spire
hmm i honestly don’t know @hexed panther lol
feral spire
Drop some shit on 5th chunk to see if they move/grow yeah
hexed panther
does it include the one im in
tired whale
Welp, fixed my servers view distance issue by changing the value in spigot.yml. Which is odd, because I never had that issue with the same configs in 1.17 or earlier.
feral spire
@tired whale you had it set to a value before?
feral spire
does it include the one im in
Start counting on the chunk you ain’t in
hexed panther
hmm i think it sets it to 5
which is dumb, i miss no tick view distance. Is this something that could be changed by paper in the future or is it locked down by mojang
tired whale
<@120072071073103872> you had it set to a value before?
Yeah I guess so lol. It was set to 5
feral spire
which is dumb, i miss no tick view distance. Is this something that could be cha...
Wait for leaf
round widget
you could let your server run with -Xlog:gc*:file=gc.log for a while and post that file then. It seems like the GC isn't too happy
hexed panther
then it gotta reboot server
timber ridge
Wait for leaf
RIP
feral spire
Oh yeah what Ywell said. I didn’t notice
hexed panther
i mean i have got this server with 35 players on, another server taking up 5 threads for pregenerating world and another using 3 threads for dynmap rendering. so i mean i guess that dont help