give this a go and give me the letter grade
#❗-1-18-experimental
spark river
uneven pagoda
Don't know is this reported already, but happened for me while randomly travelling in 1.17.1 -> 1.18 world. https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/1c0c2cb5838f4e1884517d4ba55f7021
amber flint
D
pulsar dagger
known issue
amber flint
Lol yelp
spark river
alright, lemme give you some resources
spark river
Lol yelp
what's your level of tech proficiency so I can get the correct explanation
new -> intermittent -> pro -> engineer
amber flint
Intermittent
spark river
I can’t write this shit, ISP just brought me down for a new modem config to go live
I’ll be back up in a few minutes
unique nymph
On my 4 GB server, Java is using only 1.4 GB of the heap.
valid turret
On my 4 GB server, Java is using only 1.4 GB of the heap.
How did you do that
unique nymph
How did I do what?
autumn comet
It will use what you have allocated; if you allocate a small amount, the heap size will obviously be smaller compared to allocating a greater amount lol
dark nymph
On my 4 GB server, Java is using only 1.4 GB of the heap.
Use aikars flags. That might change it
torn temple
It will use what you have allocated; if you allocate a small amount, the heap si...
I allocated 8, using 1.7😅
polar quarry
I allocated 8, using 1.7😅
-Xms=8G?
spark river
Dammit, happened again
[04:15:38 ERROR]: --- DO NOT REPORT THIS TO PAPER - THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A CRASH - git-Paper-22 (MC: 1.18) ---
[04:15:38 ERROR]: The server has not responded for 10 seconds! Creating thread dump
[04:15:38 ERROR]: ------------------------------
[04:15:38 ERROR]: Server thread dump (Look for plugins here before reporting to Paper!):
[04:15:38 ERROR]: ------------------------------
[04:15:38 ERROR]: Current Thread: Server thread
[04:15:38 ERROR]: PID: 41 | Suspended: false | Native: true | State: RUNNABLE
[04:15:38 ERROR]: Stack:
[04:15:43 ERROR]: java.base@17/java.io.WinNTFileSystem.createFileExclusively(Native Method)
[04:15:43 ERROR]: java.base@17/java.io.File.createTempFile(File.java:2170)
[04:15:43 ERROR]: net.minecraft.world.level.storage.LevelStorageSource$LevelStorageAccess.saveDataTag(LevelStorageSource.java:370)
[04:15:43 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.level.ServerLevel.saveIncrementally(ServerLevel.java:1219)
[04:15:43 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.tickServer(MinecraftServer.java:1506)
[04:15:43 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.runServer(MinecraftServer.java:1263)
[04:15:43 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.lambda$spin$0(MinecraftServer.java:316)
[04:15:43 ERROR]: net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer$$Lambda$3974/0x0000000801448240.run(Unknown Source)
[04:15:43 ERROR]: java.base@17/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:833)
[04:15:43 ERROR]: ------------------------------
[04:15:43 ERROR]: --- DO NOT REPORT THIS TO PAPER - THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A CRASH ---
[04:15:43 ERROR]: ------------------------------
took longer this time
same fs issue
torn temple
I'm using Pufferpanel and seems with Xms cause ram usage spikes
spark river
ms is minimum, spikes?
torn temple
if you tell it to use 8 gb it'll use like 8.4gb
This is normal, in game tps drops
(for me)
With spark it say an unnormal ram usage with 1 player (6/7GB)
spark river
just realized I keep getting that issue right after this clown tries authenticating an offline account
[04:13:09 INFO]: protocolsupport.api.Connection$WrappedProfile(name: Billfirst7677, originalName: Billfirst7677, uuid: null, originalUUID: null, onlinemode: true) (/<omitted>:51945) lost connection:
they do it nightly
unique nymph
With -Xms512M -Xmx4096M my server is currently using 1420 MB of the heap. That's what Java has decided is needed. Just demonstrating that Java does not necessarily use as much as possible.
TPS: 20.0 CPU: 1% GC: 8 ms Chunks: 1229
Heap Used: 942 MB (23%) Free: 3153 MB Alloc: 1420 MB
Metaspace Used: 197 MB Alloc: 199 MB
lol how do paper mods find the patience for this stuff
tepid canyon
how the *uwu~* u gonna tell it to use ram without the ram flags
Did you just uwu on him my guy.
polar quarry
i feel bad for swearing at kids.
tepid canyon
I'm not sure if uwuing on them is better or worse
outer pivot
guys take caution
afaik political discussions arent welcome on this discord
see locked down #politics
unique nymph
We're supposed to be discussing 1.18 experimental builds here.
dull vector
The code team is in need of a reward for working hard on 1.18
bleak grove
Anyone else having Minecraft::Packet - net.minecraft.network.protocol.game.PacketPlayInFlying$PacketPlayInPosition absolutely killing their server?
upbeat seal
wide talon
How stable is the latest paper release versus spigot? (And I know it's experimental, but I've also seen relatively few bugs hit the tracker and someone say things are relatively okay, pending more testing)
outer pivot
not officially deemed stable enough for production servers ... is propably the only way to rate it
bleak grove
^ definitely not stable lol
spark river
considering I keep having a mojang bug crash my server roughly every 18 hours, probably not stable yet
spark flume
could someone help me out here?
im using the latest paper version for 1.18 and enabled all these settings:
allow-permanent-block-break-exploits: true
allow-piston-duplication: true
allow-headless-pistons: true
but normal bedrock breaking methods still wont work. does someone in here maybe know why thats the case?
spark river
pretty sure those just enable vanilla exploits, so, if vanilla patched it you're sol
spark flume
the ones i tested on paper and didnt work worked on vanilla
thats why im confused lol
spark river
hm, I'm sure someone here knows more about how those flags work
spark flume
well to be exact, only the bedrock breaking doesnt work, because rail duping does work
bleak grove
Sometimes its just quirky like that
onyx vault
a player on my server tried it yesterday on vanilla server .. but it did not work .. wondering if mojang has removed it
bleak grove
I love this awkward stage where running vanilla is smoother than running paper haha
tepid canyon
I haven't had time to try 1.18 yet is the world gen as good as we hoped it would look?
sacred forge
The world gen has been pretty smooth. I made a paper server on the 30th and I haven't had any main issues. It's been smooth so far
tribal stag
I haven't had time to try 1.18 yet is the world gen as good as we hoped it would...
If you mean the terrain, I’ve generated about 5 worlds and they all seemed to have too much mountains not a fan
sacred forge
I haven't explored much of the mountains, but I am ready for mountain base building.
regal anvil
The world gen has been pretty smooth. I made a paper server on the 30th and I ha...
Same
The vanilla server was actually more laggy and rubber banding me
Could have been because I had halo infinite open or something
sacred forge
Could have been because I had halo infinite open or something
I have min off loaded on my own server and I haven't seen any issue yet. I have had one crash, but this did just come out.
regal anvil
I have not really had any issues with paper so far
Running a server with friends
(about 20)
Sometimes 13 players online concurrent
sacred forge
I am waiting a bit before trying to open my server up to other people. So far so good, but with a max of 4
quartz pumice
I am waiting a bit before trying to open my server up to other people. So far so...
more than on my server
spark flume
a player on my server tried it yesterday on vanilla server .. but it did not wor...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS7CbwcqggI
this one worked for me 100% reliable
on vanilla 1.18 that is
not working on paper even with the settings enabled 😄
onyx vault
i will tell him 🙂 thx
bleak grove
The biggest issue I’ve faced to far is paper isn’t taking full advantage of the CPU, although vanilla and spigot seem to be
peak pulsar
You guys get this message much in console? [Fri, 3. Dec 2021 13:33:43 UTC ERROR] Exception loading structure piece with id minecraft:jigsaw
[Fri, 3. Dec 2021 13:33:43 UTC ERROR] No key placement in MapLike[{config:{},type:"minecraft:no_op"}]; No key feature in MapLike[{config:{},type:"minecraft:no_op"}]
bleak grove
Not seen it once
covert jolt
The biggest issue I’ve faced to far is paper isn’t taking full advantage of the ...
it will use as much as it needs
granite sparrow
You guys get this message much in console? [Fri, 3. Dec 2021 13:33:43 UTC ERROR]...
Yes. It’s a vanilla bug
sacred forge
The biggest issue I’ve faced to far is paper isn’t taking full advantage of the ...
I haven't seen that issue yet mine seems to be even leveed.
covert jolt
more cpu isn't necessarily better either
bleak grove
I’ve been experimenting with my server host. Loading chunks on paper kills the server down to 7tps. Vanilla dm spigot not an issue they load as fast as you fly
covert jolt
that seems like a you issue or something with docker cpu limiting
spark flume
not working on paper even with the settings enabled 😄
on paper it just doesnt place the piston when spamming
covert jolt
paper's chunk loading is async
bleak grove
Not an issue with previous versions of paper
covert jolt
there is an issue with docker cpu limiting where java doesn't seem to pick up how many cores are available and limits it to 1
only introduced with java 17
so if you have any form of cpu limiting, best to check that
bleak grove
It uses multiple cores
covert jolt
it using multiple cores doesn't mean java is aware of it having more than 1 runtime processor available
bleak grove
It just doesnt utilise them fully
covert jolt
if you paste a timings and go to your system configuration it'll show you how many cpu threads are available
bleak grove
I’ll grab one from earlier give me a moment
tepid canyon
If you mean the terrain, I’ve generated about 5 worlds and they all seemed to ha...
That's gonna suck when we need to rebuild out spawn tbh
covert jolt
timingcost: 2711
your timings cost is horrible
you also have severe memory issues causing lag spikes
you should ideally be using aikar's flags and setting -xmx and -xms to equal values
bleak grove
I’ll pass that on to them, I don’t set that
covert jolt
you might be loading ungenerated chunks as sync chunk loads are high up there
when it's ready
you tell us whether it's stable or not
sacred forge
you tell us whether it's stable or not
lol
sacred forge
I'm not michael, but server for paper 1.18 is running fine
deep umbra
Im about to host one too, with about 30 friends on 8GB of ram. So far absolutely no issues
covert jolt
i don't have any issues either
bleak grove
So you recon it’s mostly a memory issue?
regal anvil
I don't have any issues either
covert jolt
So you recon it’s mostly a memory issue?
you have a 500ms lagspike every 95 seconds because of old gen garbage collection
sacred forge
I don't have any issues either
mind if I dm you?
covert jolt
because you don't have any plugins, i would assume this is because of your view distance
regal anvil
mind if I dm you?
Idm but what for
dense river
See #announcements and #❗-1-18
bleak grove
because you don't have any plugins, i would assume this is because of your view ...
View distance default
deep umbra
Yeah
covert jolt
not everyone requires software for hosting servers on their pc
port forwarding is the best option if you're able to
deep umbra
Well I tested it on my pc and a server host
deep umbra
Dunno what it is, I have no knowledge in that
strange umbra
onyx harness
It has lower latency and no member limit
strange compass
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=3553b05e58974033901d95c01f41eae9
You have a bit weak cpu. still more better than my pentium cpu. I did recommend you use aikar flags to improve performance
spark river
VPNs seem out of scope for this chat and all VPNs suck with regards to jitter anyway so who cares about the ping
onyx harness
You have many options to choose but like he said port forward it s the best
And it s not that hard to do it
spark river
Port forward is also the easiest to debug
deep umbra
Could someone explain what akair flags does? I’ve heard it increases server performance but im just curious on what it does and what scenarios I should use it in
spark river
Smart gc
dense river
He wrote a blog post explaining it, but the site takes a few seconds to load https://aikar.co/2018/07/02/tuning-the-jvm-g1gc-garbage-collector-flags-for-minecraft/
deep umbra
Ohhh thought it was just me, thanks!
deep umbra
And what does garbage collecting do
covert jolt
And what does garbage collecting do
it's basically just java's memory management
spark river
basically it sweeps up after things execute in the game and frees up the memory
covert jolt
cleans up memory objects that aren't used anymore (garbage)
spark river
It collects garbage
covert jolt
the cleaning process takes a toll on server performance (we're talking about miliseconds usually)
tepid canyon
And what does garbage collecting do
Imagine all your ram is your garbage can and garbage collection is when you take out the trash and put on a new bag so you can fill it up with stuff again
covert jolt
aikar's gc flags optimizes this process to reduce how long it takes and how frequent it happens
covert jolt
no
covert jolt
And it fully works on paper 1.18 right?
it's version agnostic
works for vanilla etc. aswell
deep umbra
Alright awesome
covert jolt
can't help you with that
gilded ice
How stable (for new world generation) is from 0 to 100?
spark river
Bruh, you shouldn’t need to
sacred forge
How stable (for new world generation) is from 0 to 100?
100 so far
he might need to forward that port through his firewall
spark river
If you’re punching holes in your firewall with your (distinct and clear) lack of understanding, you will cause issues and you will expose your machine to threats
gilded ice
So instability may come from plugins so far?
onyx harness
Just tell him to let firewall off when you re playing and that s all
And when you re not to turn it on
spark river
Just tell him to let firewall off when you re playing and that s all
That’s even worse!
onyx harness
No big deal
spark river
No, don’t do that
sacred forge
So instability may come from plugins so far?
My only crashes have been from plugins so far
onyx harness
Relax nothing will happen
spark river
🤦
gilded ice
My only crashes have been from plugins so far
Thank you
onyx harness
Just search on Google how to allow an app on firewall
spark river
That attitude is why worms from 2006 still exist in the wild
spark river
Did you forward it on the router too?
onyx harness
Are you sure you allowed both on private and public?
spark river
Because your computer firewall isn’t the network gateway
Uh, no, you’re hosting so you forward it
Forwarding is allowing port x THROUGH the gateway into the network TO your computer
onyx harness
You Don t need port forward when using Hamachi or radmin or zero etc
spark river
If he can’t forward you’re sol unless he uses a forwarding VPN or hamachi or some other janky crap
Go use a host and stop messing with stuff
Well, I have no clue how their forwarding works
gl;hf
Uh no
That’s not how VPNs work
VPNs have to have forwarding explicitly setup and you can’t control the port usually
onyx harness
Just Uninstall the app and reinstall
So the driver can reset maybe it will work
What windows is he using?
spark river
both machines?
onyx harness
Or atleast he has all the updates?
spark river
Only one of you uses the VPN? Him?
To get an external port?
This just looks overly complicated for someone with your skillset
spark river
Hamachi is easiest
onyx harness
You have nothing to lose
spark river
It’s pretty hard to screw up hamachi
spark river
Stop arguing about what crappy L2TP VLAN people should use and let them use hamachi so they’ll be able to play, I doubt they care about 20ms of latency difference given their level of proficiency
onyx harness
Who is arguing
spark river
No matter how you slice it all these programs suck
gilded ice
https://github.com/neoncloud/Zerotier-port-forward
Interesting I use zerotier
spark river
Interesting I use zerotier
That’s the result of 20 seconds of googlefu
If you can help this guy make it work, great
gilded ice
What is it used for?
spark river
Vol wants to play on a friends computer but doesn’t wanna use hamachi like everyone else ever
gilded ice
I mean the por forwarder of zerotier
lost hedge
guess i need help to learn how configure paper.yml antixray to prevent it on negative camades someone can help ?
spark river
Port forwarding is out due to firewall issues
lost hedge
aurora close my ticket and send me to ask for help here
onyx harness
Why you say your friend can t access his router interface?
The ID and password is on back on their router
lost hedge
spark river
Unless someone changed it because they have a braincell
spark river
Interesting they’d close it given the config should have sane defaults
onyx harness
Oh I see
lost hedge
how i configure paper.yml antixray to it works on negative camades ?
onyx harness
Then you have a few choices try another app to see if will work
dense river
how i configure paper.yml antixray to it works on negative camades ?
what version are you using?
onyx harness
Or just turn off firewall when you re playing, but Don t forget to turn it back on
gilded ice
So what's the problem with zerotier?
onyx harness
Because it s not recommended to have it off
spark river
If you did it right it should Just Work™️
onyx harness
Yeah just keep it off when you re playing and always turn it back on
Don t forget about it!
gilded ice
Yeah damn firewall
onyx harness
dense river
Never disable your firewall unless you know what you are doing
lost hedge
what version are you using?
#25
onyx harness
Nothing will happen if he has off firewall when he is playing and then turning it on when he is not
It s pretty easy to turn it off and on
spare vale
is it an issue on latest paper 1.18? https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-243216
snow hare
Can you give me the image difference between anti xray engine 1 vs off?
spark river
There’s a thing called the internet with lots of bad things lurking, and it sounds like their network comprises of multiple systems, so it’s fairly safe to assume that network can’t be considered secure
onyx harness
Be careful some anti-virus block connections too
gilded ice
It's windows firewall or antivirus firewall
dense river
is it an issue on latest paper 1.18? https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-243216
That is not a bug as Mojang stated, so yes
snow hare
Can you give me the image difference between anti xray engine 1 vs off?
I see Nothing different -_-
onyx harness
There’s a thing called the internet with lots of bad things lurking, and it soun...
Relax if he was in 2000 maybe it was a problem but now we live in 2021 and he even has kaspery anti-virus
lost hedge
Can you give me the image difference between anti xray engine 1 vs off?
anti-xray:
max-block-height: 64
use-permission: false
lava-obscures: false
enabled: true
engine-mode: 2
chunk-edge-mode: 2
max-chunk-section-index: 3
update-radius: 2
hidden-blocks:
is working fine like the image i have linked but not work on negative camades
gilded ice
Karpesky is hardcore spammer
dense river
Relax if he was in 2000 maybe it was a problem but now we live in 2021 and he ev...
please stop with this dangerous takes
upbeat seal
Everyone just has NAT as their firewall anyway 😜
dense river
That is completely BS
snow hare
Imagine using third party antivirus.
This chat is created by Windows defender gang
spark river
Relax if he was in 2000 maybe it was a problem but now we live in 2021 and he ev...
Kaspersky isn’t not a convincing argument, doesn’t matter, firewalls exist for a VERY good reason
onyx harness
Yeah defender is enough
dense river
Also, WHAT has this conversation to do with 1.18 testing?!
Please move this to another channel or, and that is the preferred option: Stop talking about stuff you clearly know nothing about and just download Hamachi.
onyx harness
Wow
spark river
I assume my intranet is unsafe and I run a corporate firewall with honeypots. I use firewalls. Don’t ever listen to someone saying turning off a firewall is a good idea. It never is.
That’s my two cents.
gilded ice
Zerotier it's better btw
onyx harness
And I never said it s a good idea to have it off
dense river
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wheat heartBOT
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onyx harness
Use whatever you find it working
dense river
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wheat heartBOT
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gilded ice
Great my first warn
dense river
!ban @muted forum Sexism
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spark river
😛
Yea, that was on topic
Did you delete the config and let it generate one when you started the server
feral spire
@spare vale to add on to what aurora said, you should advice your player to use fabric with sodium and sodium extra which adds option for them to remove fog (added FPS boost is a bonus)
wise vine
i mean, should probably make an issue for it
spark river
(So it’s not like a 1.17 config leftover)
lost hedge
Did you delete the config and let it generate one when you started the server
did someone have tested the anti-xray after update it on 1.18 and check if its working already on negative camades ?
dense river
Yes
spark river
did someone have tested the anti-xray after update it on 1.18 and check if its w...
It’s why I asked 😜
lost hedge
can pass me the config of antixray lines on paper.yml ?
dense river
Kenny tested that if I remember correctly
lost hedge
tested on engine mode 2 ?
half walrusBOT
Anti Xray configuration guide: https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245e
dense river
if I remember correctly?
astral roost
What is mode 2
lost hedge
engine mode 2 is the most perfect anti-xray mode to prevent xray use
dense river
Can you delete your paper.yml and activate engine-mode 2 again and test it again?
dense river
What is mode 2
click the link above
lost hedge
ok
stark pagoda
maybe try setting that higher?
dense river
Camar that is not the issue here
peak pulsar
They're asking about blocks < 0 ^
spark river
unique nymph
From Mojang: "We're now releasing a pre-release for Minecraft 1.18.1 to fix a few issues. I hope you're enjoying 1.18 so far!"
onyx harness
dense river
World fog now starts further away from the player, to make distant terrain more visible
Instead of applying fog as a spherical volume it is now applied as a cylindrical volume
aaaaaaaa
lost hedge
Can you delete your paper.yml and activate engine-mode 2 again and test it again...
on in.... starting now after have deleted it. i will test it, on gamemode 3 to report on print here
first the xray use on default paper.yml (generated by 1.18)
second the xray use on engine mode 2 (default)
- the default
anti-xray:
enabled: false
engine-mode: 1
max-block-height: 64
update-radius: 2
lava-obscures: false
use-permission: false
hidden-blocks:
- copper_ore
- deepslate_copper_ore
- gold_ore
- deepslate_gold_ore
- iron_ore
- deepslate_iron_ore
- coal_ore
- deepslate_coal_ore
- lapis_ore
- deepslate_lapis_ore
- mossy_cobblestone
- obsidian
- chest
- diamond_ore
- deepslate_diamond_ore
- redstone_ore
- deepslate_redstone_ore
- clay
- emerald_ore
- deepslate_emerald_ore
- ender_chest
replacement-blocks:
- stone
- oak_planks (why oak_plank? lol)
- deepslate
dense river
yay
dense river
yea
lost hedge
i will try pass to 2 now
unique nymph
So 1.18 lasted less than 3 days.
dense river
thanks for testing Noah
onyx harness
1.18.4 will be the final
dense river
probably yea
peak pulsar
engine mode 2 works fine for me below Y=0
same for mode 1
dense river
Not a server issue though, just a broken command block
swift dust
R.I.P 1.18. short lived ig
lost hedge
on in.... starting now after have deleted it. i will test it, on gamemode 3 to r...
only me saw that ?
swift dust
1.18.1 would be an easier upgrade in terms of dev since not much change and just bug fixes ?
peak pulsar
only me saw that ?
Welp, there is your issue 😂
stark pagoda
1.18.1 would be an easier upgrade in terms of dev since not much change and just...
yeah
acoustic burrow
1.18.1 of course lol
peak pulsar
1.18.1 would be an easier upgrade in terms of dev since not much change and just...
Probably, yes
not gonna be as easy as rc4 -> 1.18 (literally no changes in paper code)
lost hedge
Welp, there is your issue 😂
that was only after deleted the paper.yml wait! 😛 i will enable it and test again
stark pagoda
heard someone is trying to remove the fog thing w/ a plugin, a bit too late now xD
lost hedge
my old paper.yml was enabled
onyx fox
very fast to 1.18.1 xd
swift dust
only me saw that ?
ohhh... the light mode gang
swift dust
very fast to 1.18.1 xd
i expected it to last atleast 2-3 weeks
onyx harness
They are working hard
clever chasm
Is there any particular risk of running experimental builds with a new map? Or is the risk mainly for migrated world's ?
amber roost
honest ruin
how long should i expect to wait for a some kinda stable release? i am currently planning a new project and i would like to use paper...
lost hedge
😡 ok its working fine i will just check my modifications on old paper.yml to enable it on new one.
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
lost hedge
that 1.17.1 is the client only i am using viaversion / viabackward to use old clients
the solution to the problem of the negative antixray layers not being recognized in the paper.yml so it only solves by deleting the file and letting it generate one in the 1.18 paper
wise vine
Is there any particular risk of running experimental builds with a new map? Or i...
there is always a risk, if you REALLY want to use the experimental builds, just be sure to have regular (tested) backups
lost hedge
well i will compare both ones to found were the real problem of my old paper.yml is
so when i found it i give you the feedback
clever chasm
I'm not worried about crashes or anything just world gen being borked
That seems not to be the case which is great
hard pivot
the solution to the problem of the negative antixray layers not being recognized...
Copying a .yml from an old MC version to a new one usually doesnt work out.
sacred trout
I've read some comments regarding the fog. I've not upgraded to 1.18 paper but I've installed via versions etc. My question is the fog is client side but can I remove the render / view distance server side to help mitigate it ?
opal zealot
@sacred trout i'm not aware of any server settings for fog but I use Optifine to turn fog off entirely on my client. Hope this helps.
sacred trout
I can't force optifine onto every player
opal zealot
True, but if the players want fog gone you can suggest it as a solution
sacred trout
Sweet thanks
topaz scarab
is there any currently known dupe exploit not patched on paper 1.18
strange umbra
I can't force optifine onto every player
Optifine 
strange umbra
is there any currently known dupe exploit not patched on paper 1.18
Nice Try Griefer.
topaz scarab
wot
peak pulsar
is there any currently known dupe exploit not patched on paper 1.18
not that i'm aware of
topaz scarab
oke ty
stark pagoda
if you ever find one you could report it to #869651180698099732
tranquil lynx
Nice Try Griefer.
How does dupe translate to griefing lmao
stark pagoda
yep
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
haughty kiln
is 1.18 paper working with datapacks and plugins together?
its okey if it doesn't tho
wide lake
is 1.18 paper working with datapacks and plugins together?
It is for me
haughty kiln
nice!
lost hedge
i tried add on end of paper.yml
the same as i had on last paper.yml [ from 1.17.1 ]
world_nether:
anti-xray:
enabled: true
max-chunk-section-index: 7
hidden-blocks:
- lava_block
- ancient_debris
- nether_gold_ore
- nether_quartz_ore
- bone_block
- glowstone
- magma_block
- nether_bricks
- gilded_blackstone
- polished_blackstone_bricks
- cracked_polished_blackstone_bricks
- chiseled_polished_blackstone
- basalt
- blackstone
- gravel
- nether_wart_block
- warped_wart_block
- crimson_nylium
- warped_nylium
- crimson_stem
- warped_stem
- shroomlight
- soul_sand
- soul_soil
- chest
- ender_chest
- spawner
replacement-blocks:
- netherrack
But its not worked - some tip about modifications to enable it ?
grave charm
Paste your whole paper.yml
half walrusBOT
Please send large files/logs to a pastebin
inner crypt
show the log
grave charm
Please post the error
peak pulsar
You probably have to update to java 17
rancid badger
Very rough answers... How long do you guys think it'll take for a stable release?
half walrusBOT
inner crypt
Very rough answers... How long do you guys think it'll take for a stable release...
welllll, vanilla isn't stable
to prolly after that ^^
rancid badger
lol
round jacinth
thanks i don't have java 17
inner crypt
it might already be good enough for your server tho, just give it a try!
just you know, test server, backups, etc
rancid badger
Yeah I have a test server, and we're planning on updating as soon as we can honestly. So I just wanted to know if I should wait longer, or just test now
Because the last thing I want is our 1.18 reset + update to be filled with bugs, and bugs that we can really fix or remove a plugin for haha. Its the core jar xD
lost hedge
YAY ❤️
peak pulsar
Glad to hear you got it working!
lost hedge
@dense river ty for sending me link https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245ei am reading about configurations and all working now
peak pulsar
wrong reply?
fierce ravine
vivid ironBOT
message.txt by @fierce ravine: https://paste.gg/7c5f373629fe4344a0c7c277032044d2
inner crypt
Yeah I have a test server, and we're planning on updating as soon as we can hone...
def test now so you can report plugin issues and stuff
fierce ravine
getting this exception on latest build (25)
inner crypt
open an issue please, for some reason it tried to generate a chunk?
fierce ravine
well that was the point yeah
rancid badger
def test now so you can report plugin issues and stuff
👍
fierce ravine
its when i'm rtp'ing, but i'll make an issue explaining it
west bone
New snapshot?
topaz scarab
what qualifies for a stable release?
peak pulsar
what qualifies for a stable release?
no blowup within a duration of time 🩴
zealous idol
i mean given that mojang decided that a 1.18.1 is in order...
topaz scarab
oke cool
stuck robin
why is 1.18 server consuming so much ram
inner crypt
its consuming as much as you give it
dense cove
How much ram are you using?
stuck robin
i'm allocating 2 gb ram for minecraft in a localhost server for me to play with plugins
on 1.17 with only me it was consuming around 1 gb
but for 1.18 without any player and only spawn loaded it's consuming 2 gb
inner crypt
you give it 2gb and its using 2gb?
stuck robin
yes
inner crypt
that seems like its working as intended?
stuck robin
i think no
inner crypt
if you don't want it to use 2gb, don't give it 2gb
if you give it 2gb, it will use 2gb
gentle carbon
It might not need everything it’s given, but it’s going to use everything it’s given
That’s just how it’s supposed to work
latent axle
You defined 2gb xmx startup params?
stuck robin
You defined 2gb xmx startup params?
2 GB for Xmx and 128 MB for Xms
latent axle
And how you messure the used ram?
ornate drift
How “experimental” is experimental. I understand it isn’t 100% but has anyone had major issues aside from anti X-ray?
stuck robin
Through paper gui
latent axle
Never used that GUI, no idea what value it takes :)
ornate drift
We have used paper forever and never had any issues , this is the first time we see “experimental” in big red letters. Concerning. But we do want to upgrade the server
We refuse to without paper though.
stark pagoda
I mean there’s no reported major issue yet but it’s still not recommended to run it on production
ornate drift
Gotcha. Typically we update through Prism but seeing as it wasn’t there I went to the official site for the repo and I seen experimental.
Thank you
warm ravine
Fwiw, 1.17 also had an experimental banner on it
dapper lotus
I mean, if this is the first time you're seeing the "this is early builds" type messaging, idk what to tell you
ornate drift
I didn’t notice because again we go through prism. Prism doesn’t even have 1.18 yet afaik (at least as of yesterday)
dapper lotus
This is the same as literally every single release we've done for the past several dozen years, that notice will be removed once we've finished our TODOs and maybe even .1 exists
abstract marten
I probably should smooth out these chunk borders prior to updating eh?
ornate drift
That’s fine electronic but this is the first time I’m seeing it because we go thru prism and prism didn’t have 1.18 paper update. I had always assumed they would warn you in case of experimental builds the same way they do everything else.
No biggy 🤷🏻♂️ simple question. Got my answer … thanks
unique nymph
No, it does not. -Xmx defines the maximum heap size.
stuck robin
Oh it normalized now, it was using 1500mb even if no players and only spawn loaded
oblique stag
Can I upgrade my current vanilla 1.18 server to paper once it's stable?
ornate drift
When 1.17 was released the same day paper was listed for the updated as of 2 days later 1.18 paper was not. I will check again. I’m not worried about minor issues and will test
stark pagoda
Can I upgrade my current vanilla 1.18 server to paper once it's stable?
yes
ornate drift
It’s world breaking issues I was concerned about
latent axle
Bobcat and what did I say diffrent to yours, just in nooby words?
unique nymph
2gb xmx mean 2gb allocated permanently
No, it is not allocated permanently. Java might only allocate 1 GB and increase that allocation if needed (or lower the allocation, too).
See the "Unallocated memory" part? See the "-Xmx" part at the top?
zealous idol
that image also doesn't even mention that that's just the vm heap
doesn't include the vm itself, native allocation...
unique nymph
Yeah, well, he mentioned -Xmx, so we're talking about the heap.
ornate drift
See Electonic (can’t ping you) this is prism. It doesn’t say experimental so How would I know otherwise. But it is listed.
inner crypt
all new versions should be seen as experimental, always
its unrealistic to assume that a new build is bug free within days
unique nymph
Yes, the heap allocated will be between the -Xms and the -Xmx values, and can vary in real time.
sage oak
It’s best to just be on the paper discord to know what’s going on
wise vine
@ornate drift Being here and talking with the devs is honestly the correct way to know, so it's good that you did.
Prism is misrepresenting the state of builds by not including it in some way, but the default assumption should be that fresh out the oven hasn't been tested yet. Devs are awesome, but not all knowing, early builds will never be perfect
latent axle
Bobcat I know how this works, i just forget to mention xms
warm ravine
Is Prism a host, or some tool?
ornate drift
@wise vine @sage oak and I’m glad I did. I’ll stay connected seeing as we have been using paper for ages. I appreciate all of your help. I just wasn’t sure why Electronic found it so hard to believe that we didn’t know / or see experimental build. The only reason I noticed it was because I checked the official repo when it wasn’t originally listed on Prism.
Prism is a Tool used by 1/2 the hosts out there
warm ravine
Huh, never heard of it before 
I'd assume hosts should be marking their builds as experimental otherwise they're being dishonest to their clients
sage oak
Use ptero it’s better
wise vine
could very well be a host or tool provider hoping to win clients by being "first", but being unethical about it by not informing their users of how untested it is
unique nymph
I thought Prisma was proprietary to Cubedhost.
ornate drift
Yea. Not happy about it tbh.
sage oak
Also don’t believe it’s used by 1/2 hosts, main ones use ptero, multicraft or forks of them
Prisma was originally for CubedHost
ornate drift
Maybe it still is. I have only used 2 hosts and they both had similar overlays
rocky nest
yeah like 75% of hosts use ptero because free
rough creek
Prisma is still not open source iirc, they might make it available shortly
sage oak
Yeah it’s not
ornate drift
Cubedhost is closing we are moving servers
wise vine
well, shame on them, but you got to the right place to know in the end 👍
ornate drift
So hopefully the next let’s us know when it’s experimental
warm ravine
If they don't run lol
sage oak
I always suggest Hetzner if you are doing EU servers
ornate drift
Thanks @wise vine I’ll be watching and waiting.
warm ravine
They might be hiding other stuff
sage oak
and use linux and do everything yourself
bold forge
Pebblehost is also advertising that they are compatible with Paper 1.18 currently. It's frustrating.
ornate drift
When we used a home server we did it all ourselves that was 1.7 days
rocky nest
Drizzy: While that's fine for some people, many people don't know how to use linux sadly
sage oak
ahh 1.7 days were the days
clear mauve
How do you get Craftbukkit and NMS source installed into my local maven repo?
The usual java -Dpaperclip.install=true -jar paperclip.jar did not work so far.
Do i have to clone the repo and run patch then install or is there a simpler way?
ornate drift
😂 indeed@ 1.7.10 and 1.12 - classic
sage oak
and yeah true but it’s better to learn and have it run the way you want, and more efficiently then deal with issues like those ^
wise vine
good skills that translate to other things
rocky nest
ffs who keeps breaking the userdev command
ornate drift
I actually have a degree on development, granted it’s windows based dev I have a red hat based machine in the room I’m a corner I never use. I just prefer online hosts for my sanity.
peak pulsar
ffs who keeps breaking the userdev command
did the bot break again?
half walrusBOT
rocky nest
oh nvm you can't use slash commands with replies
normal pecan
Glad they’re releasing 1.18.1 so soon
half walrusBOT
Learn about Entity Activation Range 2.0 (Wake up Inactive): https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/commit/e0ea2e0e147875b5b0eeab747d19fa00a5e19ef2
normal pecan
Fog was annoying on servers
oblique stag
Do bukkit plugins work with paper?
rocky nest
Glad they’re releasing 1.18.1 so soon
I mean the fact that they need another release 3 days after the first goes to show how much testing mojang does, but I digress
rocky nest
Do bukkit plugins work with paper?
Yes
peak pulsar
Do bukkit plugins work with paper?
yes
oblique stag
Nice
rocky nest
Bukkit and spigot plugins will work on paper
tawdry spoke
What are the current paper issues?
normal pecan
~~I mean the fact that they need another release 3 days after the first goes to ...
To be fair they had already set the release date for nov 30th, and didn’t want to push it back
sage oak
Mojang is never stable till x.x.1 recently I swear
bold forge
lol well at least they didn't release 1.18.1 on the day after 1.18.0 like they did with the last update.
spring lion
anyone had issues related to running a survival server with friends using the experimental?
wise vine
"recently" lol, did any version go without minor versions after alpha/beta?
sly jolt
when is 1.18.1 coming out and how will it improve things
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
rocky nest
@sly jolt ^
wise vine
i think they mean 1.18.1 vanilla maybe?
sage oak
Today I thought
sly jolt
it’s out now?
glad flower
No, just pre-release
zealous idol
no, it's a prerelease
bold forge
Yeah, they are already looking at stability for 1.18.1 vanilla
sage oak
pre 1
glad flower
It's mainly a connection fix and the fog shit
mortal token
4 bugs to away
glad flower
The link I posted
dapper lotus
Do people literally have a stroke everytime there is a new release of mc out and just forget all of the past experiences?
sage oak
Their website
peak pulsar
mojang articles ^
glad flower
it's the official minecraft website
sly jolt
i did notice the god aweful fog
rocky nest
Mojang's website, and a bunch of paper people have internal channels to mojang I believe
sly jolt
sweet
rocky nest
(like Kashike is also mojira staff so he probably knows many things)
tawdry spoke
Ik no eta but I don’t currently see issues on multiplayer with 31 people. Does this mean it isn’t far off being stable for servers with many hours or are there other bugs?
sly jolt
ha
rocky nest
It will be stable when it is stable
sly jolt
i get it tho
rocky nest
that won't be for multiple weeks
sage oak
Considering it was released days ago it’s good to assume it’s gonna be weeks before it’s stable
tawdry spoke
Ik I just mean like has anyone else experienced any issues so Ik if I should try on my main server just back up or if I should wait a bit
topaz nymph
Always backup
sly jolt
we are mostly just ppl in charge of servers with dozens of ppl asking us WHEN yanno
hot zenith
Yeah I have like 35 backups
sage oak
Always backup and wouldn’t use production servers
glad flower
I am running the current build with about 10 or so and we haven't hit anything, but that does not mean there won't be problems
proud zenith
can the /eta bot send this instead
hot zenith
LOL
peak pulsar
@ kazheek make it happen
rocky nest
I remember 1.17's eta command was "Everyone who asks for an ETA will be fed to goblins" or something along those lines
dapper lotus
I miss Wiz.
wise vine
well, i mean, if you use experimental now (and do backups), you can help stable get out sooner by reporting server breaking bugs
dapper lotus
Read the damned release thread
peak pulsar
I mean, #paper-github
rocky nest
The GH issue tracker
hot zenith
I've had no issues other than memory leaks but they stopped in the latest jar
dapper lotus
This is literally ALL covered in the 1.18 post where we've been writing all of this stuff.
We've literally patched 0 memory leaks
hot zenith
Weird
mortal token
can the /eta bot send this instead
Pin
sly jolt
release thread?
dapper lotus
There have been 0 memory leak fixes from upstream either
sly jolt
sorry
topaz nymph
There’s still stuff to do, not all issues immediately arise…. Btw 🙂
dapper lotus
The literal 1.18 channel right above this one
sly jolt
the damned release thread
hot zenith
I know
topaz nymph
Cat has some of the best quotes
wise vine
we are mostly just ppl in charge of servers with dozens of ppl asking us WHEN ya...
for each of your players, they deal with dozens of admins, it gets old and they get cranky for the same reasons you get tired of your players bugging you
thus, middle ground, put up a "please fuck me up" 1.18 server so you can find issues, then report those issues on github so they can be fixed
calm gulch
Im mixed over the idea that someone being annoyed is played off for laughs
Not to say said annoyance isnt understandable, but its a interesting observation
sly jolt
lol that’s exactly what i did 😂
wise vine
then you're helping already, so now we wait
wise vine
more bug testing, more bugs found, more bugs reported, more bugs fixed, closer to stable we get
thick hatch
no stop it dont use logic
wise vine
if you can't help fix the bugs, help find them
just maybe dont kill your prod env doing so, it will make all the other admins laugh at you
hot zenith
mortal token
just maybe dont kill your prod env doing so, it will make all the other admins l...
💣
unique nymph
It's called "bleeding edge" for a reason.
gilded ice
Anyone experience problems like random unknown host trying to connect to 1.18?
rocky nest
Anyone experience problems like random unknown host trying to connect to 1.18?
Sounds like a DNS issue with the limited info I have
gilded ice
Cloudflare, no proxy, maybe cache issue
feral spire
It will be funny if we change all our name to There is no ETA 
odd stirrup
sure
feral spire
LOL
odd stirrup
#squad
rocky nest
stark pagoda
vocal bane
Is there an eta /j
odd stirrup
feral spire
This is a movement we are going to start.
peak pulsar
petition to mute anyone who asks for eta until 1.18 is released
gilded ice
Doesn't even mojang have eta
Just 1.18.1 pre in just 4 days
devout wharf
Whats the eta on the petition?
dapper lotus
ETA Is that I'll just ban everybody who asks about an ETA.
stark pagoda
kek
rocky nest
time to combine 
& 
inner crypt
asking about ETAs as a joke is even more annoying fwiw
grave charm
wait, is there a 1.18.1 pre1?
grave charm
I literally cannot find these on google
latent parrot
pretty much just the fog issue
stark pagoda
yes they fixed the fog thing
grave charm
like I search for it and I get 1.18 prerelease 1, 1.8.1 prerelase 1
rocky nest
Not sure how a major visual thing like that gets missed lol
latent parrot
and here mojang thought they could get away with a .1
gilded ice
I believe wait until 1.18.1 release for continue develop as it fixes really important problems
peak pulsar
like I search for it and I get 1.18 prerelease 1, 1.8.1 prerelase 1
might be too early to get indexed?
feral spire
fog is a very common complains 
polar quarry
I'm not sure if uwuing on them is better or worse
lmao you're right ill stick to swearing
flint nexus
Not sure how a major visual thing like that gets missed lol
Doesn't it only affect servers? I suppose its possible they used singleplayer for the primary testing environment?
final mango
Oh they fixed the timeout thing, thank god
covert jolt
kevin 
polar quarry
https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Java_Edition_1.18.1_Pre-release_1
the shape of the fog from spherical to cylindrical
what?
peak pulsar
polar quarry
like, vertical fog doesnt exist now?
proud zenith
michael 
rocky nest
sounds like it
proud zenith
boi is sleep
merry valve
>the shape of the fog from spherical to cylindrical
nice
gilded ice
But it's like a must doesn't it?
dapper lotus
spr fix
final mango
@covert jolt 
proud zenith
peak pulsar
22 days
proud zenith
christmas?
strange umbra
The message is deleted. 
vale scroll
anyone has random crashes with the server? (1.18)
honest flare
anyone getting higher mspt than 1.17?
peak pulsar
anyone getting higher mspt than 1.17?
That is to be expected, some performance patches haven't been ported over yet
peak pulsar
anyone has random crashes with the server? (1.18)
Mind sharing the crash report?
normal pecan
anyone has random crashes with the server? (1.18)
Nah
plush osprey
hey guys, do you think oracle free tier can run the 1.18 with 10-20 players?
peak pulsar
depends on how much you allocate to the instance
plush osprey
depends on how much you allocate to the instance
the 4core and 16gb
floral osprey
with 10-20 people on at once, no. mine can't run 1.17 like that so I doubt it'll handle 1.18
calm gulch
Looking at it real quick, the 1Gbps bandwidth limit might choke a bit with more than 8 people depending on server settings.
polar quarry
Looking at it real quick, the 1Gbps bandwidth limit might choke a bit with more ...
1gb bandwidth limit or 1gb total transfer limit?
because 1gb is a lot of speed. hundreds of players probably
but 1gb transfer/traffic/total limit is... sad
dapper lotus
Gbps
calm gulch
Bandwidth by the looks of it. So total in and out per second.
I'm also thinking Gbps not GBps. If you're trying to run a server with reasonable view distance, it might choke if multiple people start exploring.
In my opinion, anyway
dapper lotus
That's literally a gigabit connection
polar quarry
1 Gbps is a lot, that won't lag anybody
final mango
1gbps won’t choke with 800, let alone 8.
dapper lotus
that's literally like, the standard bandwidth connected to your average typical rent-a-server
bold forge
peeps....bandwidth is always in bits. data is always in Bytes
vale scroll
Mind sharing the crash report?
does not have, I only have in the console: Killed
muted widget
Are you hosting it on a dedicated server or have you bought a shared hosting plan
stray ruin
it should have saved it to logs
muted widget
Sounds like you have a host who kills the server if it uses too many resources
Not a crash
mellow karma
does not have, I only have in the console: Killed
yeah, seems like oom
vapid prawn
Yep, that's the out of memory killer in the Linux kernel for sure
If you have a 4GB VPS you can't set Xmx to 4G in java, the OS and JVM need some RAM too
4GB VPS I think the most you could do for Xmx is 3G
stray ruin
polar quarry
java will use roughly 20% more ram than the value in -Xmx
vapid prawn
You've got the OS and I think netty uses some unmanaged/direct buffers too
polar quarry
and linux uses like 200mb of ram doing nothing i guess
vapid prawn
I wonder how much of that is the page tables to keep track of all the RAM you have
plush osprey
oracle free tier is powerfull? I don't understand if the processor they use it's good or nah
polar quarry
which cpu are you looking at?
for minecraft you want the best single core performance
plush osprey
which cpu are you looking at?
they don't say
it's just "Amphere ARM Based CPU"
2.8GHZ
polar quarry
oh the a1
vapid prawn
Those are pretty solid MC servers, yeah
polar quarry
i dont have a lot of faith in it tbh
upper echo
Its fine
polar quarry
oh, cool
vapid prawn
They're surprisingly good for free, anyway 😛
Better than the 5 or 6 year old junk people get from soyoustart
polar quarry
A T E R N O S
plush osprey
They're surprisingly good for free, anyway 😛
Do you think they can easily handle the 1.18 and the 1.19 (when it comes)
plush osprey
A T E R N O S
P L O U D O S
vapid prawn
That question is unanswerable
It'll definitely handle them if you have 1 player on 😛
plush osprey
Oh.
vapid prawn
It's free, just try it and see
If you want more than 10 players on at once pay some money
polar quarry
or selfhost
vapid prawn
Although I wouldn't be surprised if you could do like 20 on at once
plush osprey
Yeah, I think oracle it's the best free that you can have, AWS and Azure can't make the price
selfhost it's just too money for me
vapid prawn
If your time isn't free then you should be paying money for things to save you time
Otherwise spending a week learning the Oracle free tier doesn't work for you isn't a big deal
polar quarry
selfhost it's just too money for me
interesting, i always assumed people have a stable internet connection and some old junk pc laying around
plush osprey
interesting, i always assumed people have a stable internet connection and some ...
nop
My pc is the old one
vapid prawn
interesting, i always assumed people have a stable internet connection and some ...
Students
polar quarry
understandable
vapid prawn
Are businesses exempt from that tariff or does Brazil just not have a high tech economy?
(they have something crazy like a 200% tariff on things)
plush osprey
a bit of everything
gritty pecan
how is 1.18 exp for everyone?
polar quarry
how is 1.18 exp for everyone?
are you seeing any weird bugs like xp disappearing?
vapid prawn
I think they meant your experience running the server, not problems with exp in the game 😄
polar quarry
ᵃ
plush osprey
(they have something crazy like a 200% tariff on things)
Dollar is like 5,6 Brazilian Reais (the normal would be 3,5 or smth like this) and then we have 60% of tax at imported eletronics (we don't have that much of fabrics here) and then we have the 3rd party sellers that need to eat...
Considering that the base salary here it's like R$1000 a month... kinda difficult for computers and servers
vale scroll
If you have a 4GB VPS you can't set Xmx to 4G in java, the OS and JVM need some ...
vps with 4gb ram, it is already set to use 3GB
wheat sequoia
will they announce it when paper updates?
dapper lotus
"updates"
if you mean when vanilla updates and we've finished what we wanna do before we consider it "finished", yea, as we've already said we would
west bone
Electronic, the crashes from last night seem to be via version
wheat sequoia
ok thx
tidal widget
hi there, which build you recommend for 1.18?
west bone
hi there, which build you recommend for 1.18?
Newest
raw glen
😂
tired whale
I'm really glad the fog/ render distance issue is getting fixed in 1.18.1. It's so bad lol.
wicked quiver
OK ..might sound a bit of an idiot here ..but what is 'fog'. I swear I have never seen it ..then again I have never seen clouds because i switched them off?
My players are also asking 'what is fog' so its not just me
fringe hawk
might as well use the definition
Fog is a visible aerosol consisting of tiny water droplets or ice crystals suspended in the air at or near the Earth's surface.
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
wicked quiver
Yes I know that ..but what is it in minecraft ..I have not seen a fog like I would on a winter night for example
fringe hawk
oh, here
sacred pond
WAIT
sacred pond
I'm really glad the fog/ render distance issue is getting fixed in 1.18.1. It's ...
THERE S A 1.18.1
?
languid lodge
oh god no
wicked quiver
yes, because of 'fog'
languid lodge
Wait wut
jolly herald
Yes I know that ..but what is it in minecraft ..I have not seen a fog like I wo...
Fog is a term for a kind of rendering cheat.. when someone's render distance is low, what you see in the distance instead is fog. Many games do this. One of the most famous examples is the old Spiderman games on the PS2.
sacred pond
when is the 1.18.1 update?!
languid lodge
its a snapshot
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
timber ridge
;)
fringe hawk
wicked quiver
So if we all have our rendering distance set as vanilla we never see fog ?
timber ridge
What is this?
fringe hawk
fog in 1.18
wicked quiver
I have honestly never seen this ever
languid lodge
Minecrafts new cylinder view distance
rugged bone
Fog is a term for a kind of rendering cheat.. when someone's render distance is ...
The 1.18 update made fog mandatory, you can't turn it off on the clientside without something like optifine
rocky nest
ye
wicked quiver
The 1.18 update made fog mandatory, you can't turn it off on the clientside with...
AHHH OK ..wtf why ..??
latent parrot
ah, thank god
jolly herald
The 1.18 update made fog mandatory, you can't turn it off on the clientside with...
Oh really? o.o
languid lodge
I was about to look for the latest ViaVersion DevBuild
ffs
you really had me @timber ridge
rugged bone
Yeah bit of an oversight by mojang
peak pulsar
are there any dynamic view & simulated distance plugins working for 1.18
jolly herald
Yeah bit of an oversight by mojang
Dammit, I hate fog.. I prefer the simple beauty of the world ending into a void
wicked quiver
I'm off to meke sure all my players use optifine ..like NO ONE uses fog
old talon
Thought this was a troll , you guys right
cinder fern
jesus.
timber ridge
It’s just a pre but yeah it’s coming.
peak pulsar
1.17.1 came out pretty fast too iirc
old talon
so what
TLDR:
1.18 = no option for fog off
1.18.1 = option for fog off?
Or am i missing something
rugged bone
1.18.1 changes fog a bit but I don't think they added a way to turn it off
Unless they forgot to mention it in the changelog
old talon
I mean if you can see 32 chunks and it fogs at 33, thats okay to me
old talon
im gonna hop on the pre and see what its abouyt
chrome palm
i actually find the fog effect pleasant rather than just abrupt chunk cutout
i only play with low distances tho
uneven pagoda
1.18.1: We aim to release this version at the end of next week.
It's December 5 or 12? If 12 why so long?!
peak pulsar
1.18.1: `We aim to release this version at the end of next week.`
It's December ...
probably no urgent bugs
old talon
i feel like, this should have a hover explanation
peak pulsar
if it's 12
peak pulsar
i feel like, this should have a hover explanation
for sure
chrome palm
i feel like, this should have a hover explanation
simulation distance is for entities and redstone
but yeah it needs a hover
old talon
Oh i know what it is. im just saying i doubt someone first playing minecraft would
didnt they used to have an option to disable the "new" warm lighting?
frank halo
Did 1.18 remove org/bukkit/craftbukkit/libs/org/apache/commons/io/FileUtils ?
vapid prawn
Pretty sure they meant they're going to release 6-10
They aren't going to do a weekend release and today is too soon
(and the day is over)
dapper lotus
spigot removed all of the relocations
rocky nest
Did 1.18 remove org/bukkit/craftbukkit/libs/org/apache/commons/io/FileUtils ?
apache commons was removed by spigot I believe, yes
listen to cat
dapper lotus
No
frank halo
spigot removed all of the relocations
Okay! Is it possible to idk, manually add it somewhere? (maybe in the libraries folder of the server) in order to get some plugins to work which used that library?
dapper lotus
just shade it
bold spindle
We want stable Papeeeeer!!!!
dapper lotus
Or use the newer commons lib version which is bundled in the API
frank halo
just shade it
Oh those aren't my plugins which broke
I'm thinking if there is a way to restore function of those plugins which broke
peak pulsar
We want stable Papeeeeer!!!!
it's pretty stable right now, just no guarantees from the paper team
dapper lotus
Then those devs will need to update it, otherwise if you're a dev you could relocate a jar like that manually and shove it on the classpath
peak pulsar
We want stable Papeeeeer!!!!
Pretty sure the devs want stable paper too, doesn't mean it is just gonna magically happen
frank halo
(where I dont have the source code)
peak pulsar
make frequent backups
old talon
We want stable Papeeeeer!!!!
Dont speak for all of us.
frank halo
Then those devs will need to update it, otherwise if you're a dev you could relo...
If I relocate one of my own plugins like that but don't shade it, would other plugins be able to access it?
ebon flax
If I make backups do you guys think it would be safe to start a 1.18 paper server?
rocky nest
If you have backups, you're probably fine, there's no known major issues yet
ebon flax
Cool
rocky nest
(remember, if you haven't tested your backups, you don't have backups)
ebon flax
Is it any safer to start in spigot and wait for paper?
frank halo
if you relocate the lib but don't shade it, it won't be there
I'm not sure what it's called, but one time I forgot to shade some library inside my plugin, so it used the library from another plugin which forgot to shade it as well.
maybe I can replicate that effect with this commons library to get other plugins to work
rocky nest
Spigot's no safer
dapper lotus
easy option would be to basically create a dumb maven/gradle project, shade the commons jar into a empty project and relocate it so that itlines up the same as what CB calls it
old talon
If I make backups do you guys think it would be safe to start a 1.18 paper serve...
I would more be worried about not having plugins fully updated, and them causing problems. Make a back up and make sure it works.
rocky nest
Everything 1.18-related (including vanilla) should be considered unstable at this time
dapper lotus
Well, if you shade it, relocated, into your own plugin, it should work, but thats not recommended
frank halo
Alright thank you, imma try that! I know it's dirty af, but I hope to get some plugins to work like that 😄
ebon flax
And if I start a paper 1.17 server in the semi near future would it be safe to convert to 1.18 paper?
old talon
Everything 1.18-related (including vanilla) should be considered unstable at thi...
Didnt mojang buy out the bukkit team at some point, shouldnt we have an easier time by now? 😛
rocky nest
I'm not going to open the bukkit can of worms
ebon flax
Lol
dapper lotus
tthey took on a handful of devs
rocky nest
(although yeah dinnerbone etc got gobbled up by mojang after bukkit)
dapper lotus
I think most of the bukkit ones they pulled on left over the years
cedar hill
I'm not going to open the bukkit can of worms
So, a bucket of worms then?
ebon flax
Bukkit of worms
dapper lotus
Have you got the bread yet?!
old talon
When i took a break from minecraft, i was pretty surprised that the server and modded community was still heavily community ran, with little to no support from mojang
but hey i guess they have realms, and what ever shop they have for datapacks
peak pulsar
your dad is a bukkit of worms?
old talon
my dad works for craftbukkit and kisses Bill Gates
arctic oracle
true story, was abandoned by my dad at birth, he came back into my life when i was 15. i found out the person i called dad wasn't really dad and then he abandoned me again a year later after royally fucking up my mental health 😂
dapper lotus
I mean, I think all of the big projects at least in some form or manner speak to mojang or at least have the opertunity to
That's how we got the mojang mappings
old talon
what exactly is the mojang mappings?
ebon flax
And if I start a paper 1.17 server in the semi near future would it be safe to c...
Sorry I dont mean to be annoying but I'm pretty new to all of this. Does anyone have an answer to this?
dapper lotus
obfuscation mappings
i.e. we know all of the field/class names that mojang uses and can apply them back to the server jars
rocky nest
Basically mojang's effectively made it so you can read the MC source code instead of rogfkjafojand;alsdn;akflkjkaw
(except no comments)
round widget
Bold of you to assume there are comments in the original code
rocky nest
lol, honestly with mojang I wouldn't be surprised
torn temple
So, Mojang announced 1.18.1, if a stable release of Paper 1.18 will not published after 1.18.1, the developing continue on 1.18 or 1.18.1?
rocky nest
1.18.1
dark wigeon
the world if 1.18.1 was client changes only
dapper lotus
I mean, we work on whatever the current version is
.1 is not gonna be some huge release
dapper lotus
you have feature seeds in your config in paper.yml which no longer exist
dusty bluff
how to remove?
slow skiff
with text.
sounds complicated
dusty bluff
i know just delete the paper.yml file
dusty bluff
yes then how to fix the error?э
dapper lotus
Dude, I told you
dark wigeon
text editors can do a lot of things
dusty bluff
ok why commands are not displayed?
half walrusBOT
Having issues with tab complete on java 17? See https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6936#issuecomment-979713795
dusty bluff
how add flag?
dapper lotus
depends on how you're running your server
rocky nest
Are you using a hosting company?
hexed panther
which one
dapper lotus
if you can'tmodify the flags, speak to your host
willow briar
why does the ram usage climb up when using the server even when all the players disconnect
feral spire
It’s normal
dusty bluff
dapper lotus
It's java
feral spire
why does the ram usage climb up when using the server even when all the players ...
That’s how java use memory
dapper lotus
java sucks at freeing memory
willow briar
so the only fix is to regularly restart?
dapper lotus
Unless it causes issues, it's probably not a problem, otherwise you'd have to start looking towards profilers, etc
feral spire
Ask. Your. Host.
willow briar
i have 8gb server
dusty bluff
ok
dapper lotus
.flags
rocky nest
...
hexed panther
so what a vps with ptero installed then
willow briar
i use debian 11 and graalvm
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rocky nest
regardless, is the RAM usage causing issues?
dapper lotus
See that, site can take a minute to load
rocky nest
Kinda surprised aikar hasn't fixed that, guess if he's busy though
willow briar
still loading
rocky nest
yeah give it a min
dapper lotus
It's wordpress, very few wanna deal with wordpress being slow issues
hexed panther
anyone else watching that coutdown reaction to see how far it goes
willow briar
holy cow it loaded
rocky nest
It's wordpress, very few wanna deal with wordpress being slow issues
fair enough lol
feral spire
Last time I brought it up when he was alive, he said he can’t figure out what @rocky nest
wild basin
How do I set up backups to happen
wild basin
is it not built in