❗-1-18-experimental

[summer garnet]

paper, geyser and viaversion

[neon shard]

that's still what they are discovering

[tired whale]

It’s “stable” when bugs stop being reported. There is no way to predict that.

[normal pecan]

could also be geyser, they've had a few issues with 1.18 so far i believe

but not sure

[neon shard]

^

[normal pecan]

doubt that would even touch it

[peak pulsar]

pretty sure geyser won't touch mob spawning

[summer garnet]

geyser doesnt change mob spawns in any way lol

[amber mica]

Could you try it on Spigot?

[neon shard]

^

[summer garnet]

this is just a private smp

[formal mica]

Top 10 mob farms technical minecrafters don't want you to know about

[normal pecan]

it's just been hidden from us all these years

[topaz scarab]

to update my 1.18 paper i just need to delete the current server.jar, upload the new one, and rename it to server.jar correct? this will also not reset the world, playerdata, server properties, etc right

[rocky nest]

Yes, but make backups

[topaz scarab]

its a test server anything lost doesnt matter

[peak pulsar]

any idea if its raining in buildings and caves? (happens on additional custom dimension, i know, they are not supported) 😬

Pretty sure that happens when the height maps (might be confusing it with something else) are borked

[bold lark]

do you guys know of any alternate server jars right now for 1.18 that are good

[peak pulsar]

Paper?

[rocky nest]

Paper's good, although everything should be considered unstable on day 3

[bold lark]

well its experimental now right

[peak pulsar]

So is spigot and everything based on paper

[amber mica]

everything is two days after release

[ember berry]

asks on paper discord if any jars are good

[rocky nest]

even vanilla 1.18 should be considered unstable still

also ^

[bold lark]

sry if that was rude

[rocky nest]

well more like you're only going to be told paper

[bold lark]

well have any of u started a server on the experimental build?

[ember berry]

yes

[bold lark]

how is it going

[robust light]

I would never update my server so fast. You risk file and world corruption and incompatibilities with used plugins. Just test it all on a separate System and wait a few weeks or even a month before upgrading:)

[amber mica]

our staging server runs fine so far

[rocky nest]

I mean if you test not in production, and with backups, it should be fine

just should not be used for production for at least a few more weeks

[ember berry]

going well, we are not open yet but we will have a soft opening with backups

[bold lark]

im not upgrading im starting fresh

[ember berry]

we also reset

[amber mica]

just have regular backups and you should be fine. and you should have those backups anyways, experimental or not

[bold lark]

right true

how often do you guys back up

[ember berry]

twice a day for overworld

[tired whale]

Before every paper version update.

[rocky nest]

full every restart, and every hour

[bold lark]

i assume you guys have scripts running

[rocky nest]

si

[tired whale]

Currently my backup policy is cp -r lmao

[bold lark]

lol

[tired whale]

But normally I just have proxmox backup my VM

[rocky nest]

borg ❤️ https://f.u11.io/71NWtl

[amber mica]

three times a day on the same machine, and once a day to another server

[bold lark]

a

[amber mica]

just in case the datacenter burns down again

[rocky nest]

OVH moment

damn just checked, currently have 753 backups over the 73 days

[tired whale]

Good lord

I wish I had that kind of raw storage lol

Has anyone here tested out the Dynmap snapshots yet?

[rocky nest]

512GB SSD, 2TB HDD ❤️

[pallid merlin]

So all that 45TB of backups is just 259GB?

[rocky nest]

correct

[pallid merlin]

How tf

[rocky nest]

deduplication. the vast majority of data isn't changing, since of course large swaths of the world will go untouched.

[tired whale]

1.18 Dynmap? Yeah the first snapshot is out.

[pallid merlin]

How do you do that?

[rocky nest]

looks like it's a bit more actually, guess borg has some caches or smth https://f.u11.io/xkcvDg

[pallid merlin]

So "Borg" is what you use?

[rocky nest]

yeah

[vivid iron]

BorgBackup – Deduplicating archiver with compression and ...

https://www.borgbackup.org/

BorgBackup (short: Borg) gives you: Space efficient storage of backups. Secure, authenticated encryption. Compression: LZ4, zlib, LZMA, zstd (since borg ...

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[tired whale]

Oh nice. Imma check that out too.

[heavy creek]

time to experiment with deduplication, that seems really helpful actually

[pallid merlin]

Im actually using zstd for my backups and it uses it, nice, thank you! @rocky nest

[tired whale]

Do you run borg in a separate VM or something? Or just on your Minecraft server?

[rocky nest]

our MC server runs in docker, borg is ran on the machine via a script in cron

[gusty trench]

Ooh, thanks, was using rdiff-backup but zstd in this will come in handy

[zealous stump]

@rocky nest can you share your config? I would like to see how you implemented it

[tired whale]

In that vein, borgmatic looks really useful and simple.

[zealous stump]

I currently use docker-compose for my server, with the data sored in a docker volume

I guess it would be pretty easy to have the backup service share the volume and just backup directly

[mint topaz]

I know this is an experimental version, but is it still better than using vanilla?

[still sparrow]

Depends how much you value your world. Experimental versions of Paper have a small chance of making your world go on a very extended vacation to nowhere-land if something goes wrong.

There's a reason we tell people to make backups before even looking at experimental versions.

[long edge]

yes, go ahead

[half walrus]

Don't ask to ask.

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.

[thin drum]

how is spigot/paper plugin support going for 1.18

like are most plugins broken or what

[topaz nymph]

Not rly

Those that use NMS, yea, will probably not all work.

[proud zenith]

/(can|may) +(i) +(ask) +a? +(question|something|sth)(\?)*/gmi make the bot auto react to ask questions kekw

[arctic oracle]

i mean, try it and see

[quartz hare]

At what percentage are the development until we have a stable version of 1.18 ready to download?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[upbeat seal]

35 + 7 - 42 = %

[lunar cargo]

2

[pseudo arrow]

[mellow venture]

is it stable yet?

[quartz hare]

Thats kinda low 🙃

[quartz hare]

NO1

[lunar cargo]

They aim low..

[dapper lotus]

Nobody is really reporting any issues which haven't existed for a good while

[quartz hare]

I don't know if you can measure the development stage just by that fact :/

[mellow venture]

eta on it

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[dapper lotus]

There is no eta.

[lunar cargo]

lol

[feral spire]

Paper now has over 20k servers running

[peak pulsar]

nice

paper >>

[dapper lotus]

Theres an issue on the github tracking the last todo's

[upbeat seal]

sometimes i feel people just ask eta for that message.

[lunar cargo]

I have been looking at this chat for the last 3 days. The amount of people asking for an ETA is awesome.

[atomic smelt]

I've been here for 1 minute and it already hurts my brain

[quartz hare]

All runing 1.18? Wow

[atomic smelt]

Also hello everyone

[arctic oracle]

by awesome you mean a failure of the human race right?

[lunar cargo]

indeed

[mellow venture]

@upbeat seal ya you right, also what the eta

[lunar cargo]

January 2023

[mellow venture]

lol

[lunar cargo]

Confirmed

[quartz hare]

My bros ask when we are able to play on 1.18 together. They eagerly want to play 1.18 already. That's why I am asking and talking to you nice people at 00:33 (CET) 😘

[arctic oracle]

then play, keep backups and everything might be fine

[topaz nymph]

^

[past pasture]

1.18 runs stable enough for me and my friends

Haven’t run into any issues, but like they said, make backups to be sure

[atomic smelt]

Yeah for a small server there is no problem running what they have now. Just don't be surprised if not everything is perfect.

[feral spire]

https://minidigger.github.io/paperstats/#1.18

20k I got it wrong but still a good amount

[quartz hare]

Yeah but they are afraid to lose any progress when we would continue playing on 1.18 and have any issues later. So they wait patiently, I guess.

[stable violet]

Today I used the 1.18 test version, not stable for sure — but I was able to copy some builds over and get that taken care of and switch back to vanilla fast.

Tho, it did mess up my nether world unexpectedly

[quartz hare]

Wow that is still a really big number!

[arctic oracle]

define

[quartz hare]

Did you report it though

[latent axle]

Why not telling everybody asking for ETA, that it is stable. Best way to find whats left to fix 🙂

[spark river]

Because if we tell people that yes, you can run it but we make no guarantees, if they're the one that hits the lottery and finds a bug which corrupts the whole world, they can't exactly be mad then can they?

[quartz hare]

O Funny

[lunar cargo]

LEt it corrupt. It'll be liking playing a really intense anarchy server.

[latent axle]

In that case create something like an award: Tell them that the whole community is thankfull they found a bug by sacrificing their world and gift them a discord color. Or what ever lol

Like the ETA role or smth

[quartz hare]

I see 4 open confimed bugs. There are a lot more unconfirmed bugs.

[dapper lotus]

don't ping.

[arctic oracle]

so why don't you go solve some of them?

[quartz hare]

If I would invest the time and patient to understand the enviroment paper/spigot has build around the server files. Maybe I could. But that's not going to happen. Also I am not a good Java developer.
I just mentioned it because he said there was one open issue

[dapper lotus]

Not what I said

[quartz hare]

Well I just understand it that way

[dapper lotus]

I said that there was a tracking issue, which is covered in the 1.18 channel.

[quartz hare]

No that is not what you wrote in the first place.

[dapper lotus]

.

[static rapids]

how can you allow TNT duplication and bedrock breaking in the settings

[dapper lotus]

.tntdupe

[vague falcon]

Having problems with TNT Duping, Bedrock Breaking or Sand Duping Vanilla Exploits? See: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/3854 for information.

[static rapids]

thank you

[peak pulsar]

so with 1.18 my console is utterly spammed with warnings from java, is there a flag I can add to java to suppress all these warnings?

[long edge]

what are the warnings exactly

[peak pulsar]

there are so many I don't know where to start

[long edge]

well, get one

just "warnings" does not get us very far unfortunately

[peak pulsar]

okay one moment

[feral spire]

Generally if they are warning you shouldn’t just ignore it…

[peak pulsar]

here is a random snippet

https://pastebin.com/w6NapwLA

[dapper lotus]

venturechat

[stable violet]

I don’t know how to report

[peak pulsar]

is it just venturechat?

[dapper lotus]

yes

[peak pulsar]

well venturechat is working fine despite the warnings

[long edge]

not stable in what way, what issues did you face? It would be helpful if you mentioned it here

[quartz hare]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues

[peak pulsar]

I just want to suppress all the warnings so I can look at my console and debug other stuff I'm trying to do

[dapper lotus]

I mean, outside of fucking with log4j filters, you can't

[stable violet]

The difference between the two versions. Vanilla verses paper. I loaded in soo much faster in vanilla whereas paper it took me a minute to go from chunk to chunk basically. Just kept lagging and all.

It messed up my nether world

[dapper lotus]

(and, still, the plugins broken, time to let go...)

[peak pulsar]

darn, what chat do you guys use, if any that doesn't suck so bad? I just use venturechat for chat prefixes

[dapper lotus]

if you just want a basic chat plugin, lucko has super basic plugin for that

[arctic oracle]

that doesn't really tell us anything, what does 'messed up' mean?

[peak pulsar]

well it has to be able to work with luckperms, that's where I store my chatprefixe

[feral spire]

…

[arctic oracle]

why not use the basic one reccomended by luckperms then?

[dapper lotus]

It's literally made by the luckperms dev...

[feral spire]

It’s literally made by same person lol

[peak pulsar]

is it named luckchat or something?

[dapper lotus]

vault chat formatter or something

[crude rain]

hey guys I think I have an idea for the perms

[peak pulsar]

thank you, this is perfect, it's what I have always wanted

I love in their spigot page they say, "Can you add x feature?" "No."

[brazen harness]

hey, ive noticed that mobs tend to despawn when they leave a boat as a passenger, can anyone reproduce that?

[quasi panther]

...mobs can get out of a boat?

[arctic oracle]

pretty sure thats been a vanilla issue for a long time no?

[brazen harness]

unsure, but it didn't happen on 1.17

[brazen harness]

when you break the boat yes

[feral spire]

@brazen harness can you give me steps to reliably recreate? Even if it’s just every other attempt

[pale dock]

I had that issue on vanilla, with both entity and the boat, reloading the chunk and the entities, and boat, returned.

[brazen harness]

sure, ive noticed it happening when you put a mob in a boat and either: whilst riding the boat, collide with an entity (ex. a squid), or just break the boat with the entity inside

[feral spire]

So like get a zombie to ride a boat and make a icy path and push it against a wall and it will sometimes despawn?

[brazen harness]

maybe put some entities on the ice path for the boat to hit, i know (at least for my server) it despawns when it hits an entity but i don't know about when it hits a wall

[feral spire]

Which version are you on right now?

I will test

[brazen harness]

1.18, and i believe it's the latest version from the site

[arctic oracle]

latest is not a version

[peak pulsar]

aaaaaa

the latest is 1.18 build 23 commit [057adb0]

[dark wigeon]

often times when people claim to be on the latest version they are not; plus, this makes it more difficult for people to help

[arctic oracle]

its why my version number is in my name, just one more thing nobody needs to ask and i dont have to tell, just remember to change

[harsh lance]

I've always wondered why flanigomik has a build ver in their name for ages now and at this point I'm afraid to ask. So that cleared things up

[arctic oracle]

lol in a way thats the point

you dont need to ask

[dark wigeon]

change it to 24 before it's released

[arctic oracle]

i changed it to 1 before it was released lol

[peak pulsar]

24 was just released I think ... ?

[quasi panther]

it was

[peak pulsar]

wow paper devs have no sleep schedule lol

[latent axle]

See, if you would have used the placeholder "latest" in your name, that would not have happend!

24

[peak pulsar]

maybe that's why they're so passive aggressive when answering questions 😃

[quasi panther]

if you had to tell people "no eta" 50 times a day about a free volunteer project, you'd stay out of Customer Service Mode too

[harsh lance]

#24 isn't out?

[quasi panther]

it is

[harsh lance]

oh, nvm just stupid cache shit again

https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper/versions/1.18/builds/24/downloads/paper-1.18-24.jar works

Even clearing chrome cache doesn't do shit

🤡

[peak pulsar]

yeah idk I feel like they need a different way of handling support, because there's like such a disconnect between like 12 y/os who can't read 5 words in bold 700pt text on the website, and people who have legitimate questions

firefox it's just ctrl+shift+R

sooo nice for web dev

[fervent lynx]

I have to do CTRL + F5 basically every time I visit the papermc site to check for a new build lol, the cache is incredibly sticky

[peak pulsar]

nope.... that's paper's problem. Ctrl+Shift+R clears cache, cookies, storage, everything

if it doesn't work then it's server side

[feral spire]

[peak pulsar]

(in firefox)

[harsh lance]

I normally always have to do that too Pure but this time it ain't doing shit lol

[latent axle]

Hmm sure your cache cleared out, mine is fine?

[hollow jetty]

I just tried out the experimental 1.18 build and my server ram isn't able to keep up. How much ram is needed for a 1.18 server?

[outer orchid]

how tf are your numbers one higher than mine?

[harsh lance]

A little bit more than pre 1.18

[quasi panther]

yeah something is screwy there....

[harsh lance]

bro I'm still on #23

[outer orchid]

my list looks like this http://0x0.st/-heJ.png

[harsh lance]

ctrl f5, shift f5, dev mode clear cache, everything lmfao

[outer orchid]

same stuff, but all numbers lower

[twilit hound]

Same

[fervent lynx]

I swear the website has had these cache issues for years, it's honestly probably something that should be looked into lol... it's way too aggressive

I remember Z750 trying to fix it all the time

but it never working

[harsh lance]

Mine finally updated to show 24

jfc

[outer orchid]

but with the 24 button i really got the 24 version? i can ignore the changes list

[quartz hare]

Press F12 -> Network -> Check "Disable Cache" -> Reload while DevTool is open

[potent quail]

Would anyone know why self compiled jars would be missing the DataFixer class and Codec class under the package of com.mojang?

[half root]

does work, just got #24

[normal pecan]

well duh it would work

[quartz hare]

It's the same procedure in Firefox or Edge I think

Ctrl+Shift+R

Thats your shortcut I think you are searching for

I think Edge also supports that shortcut.
afaik you cant really stop modern browsers to completly stop caching

[balmy escarp]

around when will the stable version come out

[safe falcon]

!eta

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[unique nymph]

I see #23

[vague falcon]

Ctrl+Shift+R doesn't reload cache for external sites

I don't know why

I see 23 as well so I just keep doing this lol

[quasi panther]

sounds like some kind of stupid CDN cache, or worse, an ISP cache

[peak pulsar]

chromium users smh 🙄 /j

[narrow dove]

Hey all... I installed the latest papermc and it seems to only be listening on ipv6 - is there a quick way to fix this?

I assume it is a config thing

fresh new ubuntu box, only installed java and paper on it

[peak pulsar]

sounds like an issue with your networking

I wouldn't think that's papermc related

[narrow dove]

It could be anything at this stage - I was wondering if it was a config thing. If not I can keep digging

[peak pulsar]

papermc doesn't control your networking of your machine

[narrow dove]

But it will set up the server and it doesn't seem to be doing that

[peak pulsar]

huh?

[sand ruin]

It's always been fine for me on Firefox

[peak pulsar]

firefox users, unite!

epiphany is also pretty cool too

[astral socket]

no more no-tick-view-distance?

I heard something about simulation distance

[peak pulsar]

that's a vanilla thing now

[topaz nymph]

^ use that

[astral socket]

where is simulation distance?

I can't find it

[heavy creek]

servers.properties

[latent parrot]

where is the eternity image

[topaz nymph]

https://is.paper.sexy/ViewDistance.png

[mortal token]

why the weeb watermark tho

[topaz nymph]

Omg.

[astral socket]

is it any better than paper's, or the same

[latent parrot]

did you just question paper-chan ??

[topaz nymph]

I mean it achieves the same effect, but it’s just vanilla.

[mortal token]

yes

[topaz nymph]

But any improvements will most likely be made in the future 🙂

Don’t diss paperchan

[mortal token]

no

[topaz nymph]

[astral socket]

i wanna know if I can do 32 view-distance on my 2012 linux server 🤣 🤣 🤣

[topaz nymph]

Errr well the only way is to test it!

[latent parrot]

no-tick-view distance still has some work left open, some patches are still missing from 1.18 so expect changes around that concept in the near future

[topaz nymph]

If it explodes and dies, don’t do that.

[hybrid roost]

Does the paper server jar make --forceUpgrade obsolete?

[dapper lotus]

using that flag is bad in general

[hybrid roost]

Not saying I wanna do it for 1.18

I've never done it in the past, always just updated the paper jar

And I guess doing it for 1.18 would be terrible anyways

[topaz nymph]

Yea read pins

[west bone]

is there any errors with paper right now that lead to client crashes?

[topaz nymph]

Could you provide more info on the crashes?

[west bone]

Ill try to recreate it so I can get the crash report

[long edge]

not that anyone is aware of, no

[topaz nymph]

Because if ur using vanilla MC and ur getting crashes from paper it would be nice to get more info

(Vanilla client)

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @west bone: https://paste.gg/a35eafa21f1f4328be008102836dffcb

[topaz nymph]

Ah well

Obfuscation x)

[west bone]

I just log into server and get the death

[vestal jasper]

im guessing it would be a horrible idea to upgrade my 1.18 vanilla server for friends to Paper right now? Or would it be okay if I were to do constant backups like suggested? (I just really need an xray anticheat and better perf)

[west bone]

:c

[topaz nymph]

But “Block model being tesselated”

[west bone]

what does that mean

[topaz nymph]

Do you have any mods?

[dapper lotus]

somebody had a crash liike that earlier

[west bone]

Only plugins

[topaz nymph]

Oh nvm it isn’t

[dapper lotus]

think it was a plugin or something weird

[west bone]

what plugin? if you know

[topaz nymph]

I mean not really bad, just make backups!

[turbid jasper]

Just had the server freeze and get killed by the watchdog, no plugins are involved in the thread stack. What would be the right way to report this?

[vestal jasper]

alr sweet

[topaz nymph]

It helps to have people testing.

[vestal jasper]

alr

[topaz nymph]

Lord?

*logs?

[turbid jasper]

Well here's the thread stack

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @turbid jasper: https://paste.gg/d6ec768900494d03b40c6fb79a075dfd

[west bone]

I cant think of anything thatd cause it

[dapper lotus]

provide the full set of watchdog dumps

[topaz nymph]

^ yea not much info is given here

[west bone]

I dont get it lmao, I cant log onto server

[topaz nymph]

If you use no plugins

[west bone]

I use plugins

[topaz nymph]

Does this issue still arise

(No plugins paper)

[west bone]

well I cant test without removing everything on the server rn

which isnt a good option

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @turbid jasper: https://paste.gg/098d971b26ca4a96b72b0a1885ae6ef7

[topaz nymph]

how many plugins do u have

[dapper lotus]

I said full...

[west bone]

a decent amount, most are completely custom

[turbid jasper]

Oh, the entire log, okay

[dapper lotus]

i.e. all of them

[topaz nymph]

Lemme see what’s nullpoitnering here

[dapper lotus]

You have some player in an unloaded chunk

am going bed doe

[topaz nymph]

Gn cat!!

[west bone]

Me?

[topaz nymph]

Yea, give me a bit

[turbid jasper]

At the start from the first 10 seconds it says "DO NOT REPORT THIS TO PAPER - THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A CRASH" haha

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @turbid jasper: https://paste.gg/8d202bb46a654c6f867825209d1d8380

[west bone]

amma delete playerdata

[topaz nymph]

Ok so

Do u have any datapacks

[west bone]

Nope

playerdata gone, still crashing

[dapper lotus]

urgh, chunk load shit the bed and started to try to load itself during loading it

[west bone]

me or super?

[dapper lotus]

super....

[topaz nymph]

Zach looking uh

“caz.g()” maps to some Biome method

Are you somehow changing or sending biomes differently?

[west bone]

Nope?

[topaz nymph]

Hmm

[topaz nymph]

Can you try turning off simulation distance

I see ell.b() seems to be pointing to the “set simulation distance method” on the client.

Very interesting

[west bone]

let me try

set to zero

and still crashes

[topaz nymph]

Hmm

[west bone]

let me try 1 thing rq

[plucky granite]

https://gist.githubusercontent.com/getxd-dev/c33d8a346aba5b930e031248514bc7b4/raw/0e2168b5204cf29f295c51152643f1e8c1123437/logs.txt

paper's skin refresher fails to load, is this a plugin issue or is it on paper's side?

[topaz nymph]

Is it possible you can use something like fabric to get deobf stack traces? @west bone

[topaz nymph]

Plug-in

It’s trying to access NMS

That doesn’t exist anymore

[west bone]

Yeah I guess, let me try 1 thing rq

I removed the most recently added plugin

still crashing

[topaz nymph]

Yea so I’d appreciate if u could try using fabric or something rly quick so we can get a pretty staxktrace

[west bone]

I've never used fabric before :c what do I even do lmao?

[topaz nymph]

Ahh ok

I’m just not sure how to deobf the stacktrace

Can you try to download the world and join it?

Without plugins, just vanilla.

[west bone]

oh shoot

ill start downloading it

but I didnt delete my playerdata properly

well damn

now I can join

[vestal jasper]

Just set it up, adjusted all the yml txt to be optimized from one of the articles, set up anti xray and its doing really good!

im honestly really surprised its working (even more because the editing still didnt break anything)

[west bone]

well, I can join again, but its kinda bad I couldnt find out what is causing the crash

[topaz nymph]

Now can you try without plugins

[west bone]

well shit

I might have found the plugin doing it

[topaz nymph]

Oh?

[west bone]

actually it could be one of two things

[topaz nymph]

Is it an open source one

[west bone]

my RTP plugin, or I crashed when I changed my simulation distance

let me rremove RTP plugin and see if its it

[topaz nymph]

Is it changing simulation distance at all?

[west bone]

or simulation

ill test it

[topaz nymph]

Because I’m seeing also a lot of biome

I think I made an incorrect call on the simulation thing

[west bone]

I don't think you where incorrect

Now i cant repeat it lmao

I think its a mix between my RTP plugin and simulation distance

[topaz nymph]

@west bone No so, I can defo see it isn't simulation distance

Are you inserting custom biomes at all?

For anyone wondering: the stacktrace is pointing to java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "caz.g()" because "$$0" is null

[west bone]

Nope

def not

[peak pulsar]

(btw, this site is amazing for mappings: https://wagyourtail.xyz/Projects/MinecraftMappingViewer/App)

just sayin'

[west bone]

oh log time no see jerry

[topaz nymph]

oh tysm

i've been lookiing for a good mapping website x)

[west bone]

so? what to do to fix

[peak pulsar]

hi

[peak pulsar]

np! it seems super underused, i really like it, super nice to work with.

[topaz nymph]

caz.g() is a static lambda at Biome$Category

[west bone]

not close to understanding what this means

[topaz nymph]

Yea, I am just leaving this for if anyone knows

But basically, it's trying to calculate color. But it isn't able to because for some reason the "ColorResolver" is null.

[west bone]

That cant be by a plugin right

I asusme a paper issue?

[topaz nymph]

Well if a plugin is sending some stupid info ,it's possible it could be a plugin.

But if you cannot reproduce this at all without a plugin, it rly can't be us.

[west bone]

I dont believe its any plugin

[topaz nymph]

well I gtg, sorry. But if cat was true, someone else had this issue,, but they're asleep now 😠

[potent quail]

anyone know why there would be classes missing out of a compiled jar? e.g com.mojang.serialization.Codec and com.mojang.datafixers.DataFixer

[small kayak]

That happened when I entered survival with 1.18

[rocky nest]

doubt a client error would be caused by paper...

[small kayak]

In that survival you can enter with 1.17 and 1.18, those of 1.17 do not have that problem, do you know what it is due to or how can it be fixed?

[small kayak]

The same thing happened to all those who entered with 1.18, that in the spawn zone

[rocky nest]

Does your server have a resource pack?

[small kayak]

I tried to move away 1000 blocks in 1.17, then I went to 1.18 and without problems, I went back to 0 0 and crashed with the Getting Biome reason, something like that

[rocky nest]

Sounds like an issue with your world

[small kayak]

Full vanilla

6 or 7 plugins

This error came up when I was heading to 0 0

[rocky nest]

this is really seeming like a clientside issue...

[rocky nest]

Server stuff shouldn't be able to crash your client (ignoring lagging the client to death)

[gusty trench]

Okay, so

Do you have a world with a datapack?

[small kayak]

No

[rocky nest]

Do you have any clientside mods

[small kayak]

I tried in another world apart and I did not have that same problem

The error I think originated that when we created the world we entered primarily with 1.17 and with it caused a conflict with 1.18, it is the only thing that occurs to us

[rocky nest]

It'll be something about the world. Updating from 1.17 in and of itself isn't the cause, thousands of servers have done so already

[small kayak]

I have video proofs of what even happens, I could even transmit, but I would prefer that if I transmit some Paper developer can see it and realize it and see if it has a solution

[small kayak]

Is a new world

[rocky nest]

but you just said you created it with 1.17?

[small kayak]

No

Believe it in 1.18 but agreed with 1.17

[gusty trench]

How and in which version did you make this world? Does it have any datapacks or custom biomes? What server version are you hosting this on?

[small kayak]

using viaversion

I tell you, I can transmit but I would like some DEV of Paper to see and see if they can give a solution

It kept happening to me with v21 of Paper 1.18

[rocky nest]

Answer kyle's other questions

[gusty trench]

Update, a biome-related client and server crash in specific setups has been fixed on #24 -- no idea if it's your case at all
Otherwise, gl, since you don't want to share more info

[small kayak]

It does not have Datapacks, it is full vanilla, it is created in a Contabo host within a Network

[half root]

Hey pana, we are all here to help

[small kayak]

Ahora mismo checo y te cuento

Aaaa

[half root]

Rip

[small kayak]

Right now I check and I'll tell you

xddd

[half root]

Xddd

[small kayak]

I don't know English, I use a translator to speak here, if they speak Spanish better for me hahaha

[half root]

Nop, they don't, and actually the rules are to speak English

I do speak Spanish, I'm from Costa Rica, but ye, English only

[small kayak]

Hablame en español xd

Me siento solo

Jajajaja

[half root]

Sorry pero no podemos bro

Nos van a funar

[small kayak]

Por?

[rocky nest]

the rules are to speak English

[small kayak]

Ah

Oh

[half root]

Yep

[small kayak]

Ok

Fuck

Xd

I did not know that rule

[half root]

#welcome

Rule n.1 on the "Rules" part

[small kayak]

[civic dawn]

that says not to use language considered to be discriminatory...

doesn't say anything about speaking only english. ||not that I speak anything other than english, just thought I'd point that out||

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[vague falcon]

Non-English isn't banned per say but we'd encourage all conversation to be in English as thats the primary language of most people here

[crude orchid]

[04:31:49 INFO]: Holographic Displays does not support this server version.
[04:31:49 INFO]: Supported Spigot versions: from 1.8.3 to 1.16.4.
[04:31:49 INFO]:
[04:31:49 INFO]: This plugin has been disabled.

whos dick i gotta suck

raise yo hand

[rocky nest]

erm

[small kayak]

the same thing keeps happening

With paper v24

[bold tree]

Right now you need to compile it yourself

But it is good enough

[grave charm]

those aren't minecraft classes, so they're gonna be in a library jar, specifically datafixerupper

ok, someone bring me up to speed on this biome issue? a problematic seed, world download, or smth I can replicate it with

[bold tree]

If you want the challenge, clone this repo and build from there. https://github.com/filoghost/HolographicDisplays/tree/v3

[small kayak]

I can transmit if you like how this problem happens, in 1.17 it does not crash but when I enter 1.18 it crashes immediately

He cannot recognize the biome, as he thinks for 2 seconds and immediately crashes

[grave charm]

can you provide a world download? or seed? cause ive been in 1.18 generated worlds, and 1.17 upgraded to 1.18 worlds and everythings been fine

a solid set of steps of how I can reproduce the issue on my machine would be great

[small kayak]

Look, it happens that the world is totally new, it is created in 1.18, but my whole team entered 1.17 to look at everything, we entered with 1.17 because it is viaversion, and when we open survival for the public those who entered with version 1.18 crashed immediately, happened with all the players who were at 1.18

My theory is that terrain was generated being in 1.17 and this generated some kind of strange conflict, because I moved away to 1k and there was no problem, already when I approached Spawn I crashed the same but with another error message

[grave charm]

what version is the server jar?

[small kayak]

I can replicate this error right now, that's why I told you if you want me to transmit

[small kayak]

24, I just put it on and it stays the same

[grave charm]

if you generated the world with 1.18, and are using a 1.18 jar, and always were using a 1.18 jar I'm not sure how any of it could be generated with 1.17

[small kayak]

Viaversion

I tell you, I can transmit screen if you like and I show you

[rocky nest]

can you reproduce without plugins?

[grave charm]

is my understanding of what via version does totally wrong? I thought that was about letting clients join. clients dont do any terrain generation

[small kayak]

No ya que survival esta dentro de una network, si quito algo me bypassean jaja

[rocky nest]

english pls

[half root]

He can't remove plugins

[rocky nest]

oh is this offline mode

[grave charm]

via version lets newer minecraft clients join your server

[half root]

The survival is on a network and he can't remove plugins from the survival

[small kayak]

It's weird, because I made another world, between 1.18 and normal, and even between 1.17 later I think

[rocky nest]

probably viabackwards

[small kayak]

Yes

[rocky nest]

Wouldn't be surprised if that's adding some problems

[grave charm]

ok, but still, if the server version is 1.18, the client doesnt control terrain generation at all right?

well _11, maybe but what I'm stuck on is they said 1.18 clients connecting get the same error

[half root]

The world is already generated

[grave charm]

generated with what minecraft version?

[small kayak]

no, crash immediately

[rocky nest]

yeah there's a lot about this that doesn't make sense, which is why I'm glad he's implying that it's offline mode because that means I no longer will deal with it 🙂

[grave charm]

https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/914372738179825664/916186602861105222 says world was generated with 1.18

[half root]

If he logs in at 0 0 he crashes out but if he changes to 1.17 and goes away and then logs back with 1.18 nothing happens

[half root]

?????

[rocky nest]

it's either corrupted chunk or viaver / some other plugin is causing an issue

reproduce without plugins

[grave charm]

yeah, heavily leaning towards this

you can try running the server with --forceUpgrade perhaps, but make a backup

[rocky nest]

(and if removing all plugins causes a problem because you no longer have an offline mode auth plugin, well guess you'll just need to turn online mode back on 🙂 )

[half root]

I would say via version is the main issue there, but since he can't remove any plugins nothing can be done

[small kayak]

I'll try to remove viaversion and viabackward and I'll tell you how it went after

[rocky nest]

if that doesn't fix it, try again to reproduce without any plugins

[small kayak]

It is the only thing that I have

[rocky nest]

Given no one else is screaming about something crashing their MC on 1.18, it's clearly an issue with just your server, and a plugin issue is much easier to debug then a corrupted chunk

[west bone]

The game crashed whilst tesselating liquid in world
Error: java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "caz.k()" because "biome" is null
Exit Code: -1

has to be a paper error

[small kayak]

Remove the Via plugins and now I get that

[vivid iron]

message-11.txt by @west bone: https://paste.gg/5863484e1fbe4239a9154eb901e2580a

[small kayak]

@rocky nest Do you know what that error is due to?

[rocky nest]

What version client, what version server

and don't ping pls

[small kayak]

ok

Minecraft 1.18

Paper v24 in Survival

Waterfall 1.17

In bungee

[long edge]

update waterfall

you've got an old version

[small kayak]

I can not, since JPremium has not released a new version and is not compatible with 1.18

[long edge]

well, then you can't join with 1.18?

I don't get the confusion, if you use a version of waterfall that only supports 1.17, you won't be able to join with 1.18

[rocky nest]

offline mode

[long edge]

also I really doubt it isn't compatible, almost nothing changes with bungee when it updates

unless they're manually adding a check, or doing something immensely hacky

[small kayak]

in my network you can enter from 1.13 by viaversion and viabackward

[rocky nest]

Cool, completely unrelated

[small kayak]

a huge spam appeared in the console related to a database

[rocky nest]

Well talk to the plugin authors then / update

[dark wigeon]

offline mode bad

[rocky nest]

Sounds like you jumped the gun on updating

[long edge]

whats the error

there are no changes at all that would cause that just based on 1.18 support

[peak pulsar]

i cant wait to use 1.18 on my server hehehe

[dark wigeon]

yes you can

[small kayak]

that he took a break hdp xd

[rocky nest]

I mean technically yes, but it's not stable

well then set online-mode=true and your problems will be solved 🙂

[peak pulsar]

am talking about the stable 1 i rlly cant wait hehe

[long edge]

oh actually nevermind, bungee bumped the connector version with pre-5

but that's still likely not something the plugin would have to update for, depending on the error you get

[peak pulsar]

just hope it will release soon

[rocky nest]

eh won't be for at least a week or 2

[peak pulsar]

oh so long

[rocky nest]

I mean not really

[peak pulsar]

i thought it will in 3 or 4 days

[rocky nest]

1.18's only been out for 3 days

[long edge]

there aren't any serious known issues

[rocky nest]

yet

[long edge]

it's more incomplete, and hasn't been tested as thoroughly as other versions

[peak pulsar]

am using 1.18 rn and i have so many issues

[long edge]

what issues are you having?

[small kayak]

So what can I do at the moment, wait for another version of paper?

[rocky nest]

it's not paper, it's waterfall

[long edge]

no, post the error you get

and no, an update won't fix that

it's up to you to update waterfall

[peak pulsar]

idk if it because of the geyser or paper but me as a bedrock player when i fly half of my body it in to the silling

[tawny lance]

Geyser for me has always been unstable lmao

[long edge]

oh yeah if you're having trouble with connecting via bedrock, that's something you'd want to direct to Geyer's support

[small kayak]

Tmr

[wise nebula]

Why are you trying to force something to work in an environment with different projects that have not had time to update yet?

[peak pulsar]

oh and i have 1 more but still not sure if it because of 1.18 or paper

it use so much ram

and randomly lag

[rocky nest]

How are you measuring RAM usage?

[peak pulsar]

it not like tps drop but just randomly happen

[peak pulsar]

3gb with 10 players

[rocky nest]

how do you know how much ram it's using though

[quasi horizon]

by how hot the case is

[peak pulsar]

this

[rocky nest]

like if you only have 3gb for it, yeah it's going to have problems with 10 players

[wise nebula]

3GB isn't enough for one player lol

[west bone]

Sulu

[rocky nest]

I mean for up to ~5 3gb will work if you're ok with a bit of lag

[west bone]

please help me lmao

people keep crashing for
The game crashed whilst tesselating liquid in world
Error: java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "caz.k()" because "$$0" is null
Code de sortie : -1

[peak pulsar]

but i ran 20 payers with 1.17 and it work so well as soon as i update to 1.18 it just eat all my ram

[rocky nest]

That's probably a result of some of the optimizations not yet being readded to 1.18

[wise nebula]

1.17 has been out longer than 1.18. I'm not sure what you're expecting.

[peak pulsar]

oh maybe 1.18 is new to everyone ig

[rocky nest]

@west bone: What server version & build, what client version, any proxies, viaverson/backwards, etc

[wise nebula]

What? Of course 1.18 is new to everyone. It literally just came out three days ago lol

[west bone]

Viaversion+via backwards, we do have a proxy

but they are on 1.18

[tawny lance]

Holy what, I remember when 10 players per gb with some light plugins was the norm, when did this happen

[rocky nest]

Actually just noticed optifine in the crash logs

Can you try to reproduce without optifine?

[west bone]

it seems to be when people enter a biome

[rocky nest]

Also what proxy & version?

[peak pulsar]

omg the paper support is goated

[west bone]

1.18

waterfall

and the person crashing does not have optifine

[wise nebula]

Gotta love troubleshooting via relaying info

[west bone]

Okay, i found something out

everyone who has crashed is using vanilla

[peak pulsar]

may i ask someone here use essentle? ik it paper discord but just help me a bit

[west bone]

anyone with optifine is yet to experience a issue

[rocky nest]

ok, try to reproduce without plugins

[west bone]

BRUH I found more

[rocky nest]

given 2 people have had the issue, I doubt it's a chunk so it's either a naughty plugin, or there actually is a paper bug (which I doubt)

[west bone]

Not a bad plugin

100% sure

[rocky nest]

Ok well reproduce without any just to be sure

[west bone]

I just flew into a glacier biome and got yeeted

instnatly

[grave charm]

Zachary, are these client crashes? or on the server

[rocky nest]

client

[west bone]

client

but repeatable in the same area seemingly

only for vanilla people

[grave charm]

ok, cause that method... it has a total of 0 uses anywhere in the server. its Biome.getWaterColor() <- caz.k()

[west bone]

thats what has happened to so many ppl

[rocky nest]

could technically be caused by the server not transmitting biome info or smth though?

[dark wigeon]

1.18.1 coming soon™️

[rocky nest]

although yeah mojang bug question mark

[grave charm]

is this a vanilla generated world?

[west bone]

it was generated with paper 1.18

[grave charm]

datapacks and plugins? (sry if I'm repeating previously asked questions)

[west bone]

No datapacks
and not a single plugin that touches anything like that

[grave charm]

ok, well via version and via backwards probably do actually

[rocky nest]

Just as a sanity check, can you try to reproduce without any plugins at all? no matter how irrelevant they seem

[grave charm]

via version/via backwards "translate" the server information to the client between different versions, and that includes the biome information

[rocky nest]

noticing the common thread of viabackwards...

[grave charm]

def try to reproduce this issue without those two plugins, and like _11 said, just remove all. Or you can post a world download, or seed or something I can try to replicate the issue with

[hexed flower]

What exactly do you need help with

[west bone]

I cant

[rocky nest]

why not

[west bone]

unless I can dm the world download to a dev

[peak pulsar]

i wanna add cooldown to command

[brisk trellis]

Just a question, has anyone experienced server crashes, when the server tries to save while a chuck is generating?

[brisk trellis]

Check the Config.yml

[grave charm]

Zachary, why cant you remove the via plugins?

[rocky nest]

*all the plugins

[peak pulsar]

ok and whats next

[rocky nest]

(although yeah just the via would be a good start)

[hexed flower]

ViaBackwards/Rewind especially causes a lot of jank

[grave charm]

if its just a normally generated world, just the world seed will do, no need to send the whole file

[west bone]

yep

doing it now

[grave charm]

and some coordinates of where you might crash

[west bone]

ill test removing the via plugins rq

[brisk trellis]

what command is it? Also Essentials X has its own Discord Server

[peak pulsar]

repair

[brisk trellis]

It is literally in the Essentials Config

[peak pulsar]

i saw that but idk what to do

[brisk trellis]

Not to sound like an ass

But read the example

So

[rocky nest]

maybe --> MOSS
https://discord.gg/PHpuzZS

[brisk trellis]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[peak pulsar]

there support never reply

[rocky nest]

(moss y u no have vanity url 😦 )

[peak pulsar]

even react my chat and ignore

[brisk trellis]

Qween go over there and tag me I will explain it there

[peak pulsar]

ok ok

[spark river]

Can't recreate but this happened

1.18.1 soon™️

chunks refuse to load

[dark wigeon]

wurst

[spark river]

ikr 1.18 build in record time

I use the tunneler

building a minecart tunnel 10k long

[narrow dove]

hmmm... my issue was with Java trying to use ipv6 by default... this worked for me:
export _JAVA_OPTIONS="-Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true"

[wise nebula]

Isn't wurst the hacked free Minecraft?

"free"

[spark river]

no lol

[final mango]

No wurst is just a hacked client, it still requires a paid account.

[lilac marsh]

My Server uses excessive RAM for 1.18. Is that a bug yet to be fixed?

[spark river]

1.18 uses more memory

[final mango]

Or rather, wurst by itself doesn’t allow you to play Minecraft without paying (you would need a modified launcher for that, as far as I’m aware)

[lilac marsh]

But it uses like A LOT. 1GB per minute when inly one player is online.

[feral spire]

JAVA17 uses more natively. Not mecessary 1.18 version @spark river

[spark river]

wait per minute?

[feral spire]

if you compare to JAVA8

[spark river]

like 1G more per minute?

[feral spire]

oh I was talking about heap and what??

[final mango]

Java will allocate a lot of memory if it’s available

[spark river]

I'm assuming a plugin has a memory leak

[final mango]

So by itself that doesn’t indicate a problem

I would need more context to tell if that’s expected behavior or not

[spark river]

Sure, it'll allocate, but 1GB per minute?

[feral spire]

if you let the java use memory, it WILL.

[final mango]

Unused RAM is wasted RAM.

[river idol]

Im using the new paper dev builds and when i go high up the world starts to unload under me.

[spark river]

that makes sense since chunk loading is a sphere now

(pretty sure at least)

[river idol]

oh...

Can i increase that?

I would like to be able to see the ground... xD

[spark river]

let someone with more knowledge about how this works answer first cuz I could be wrong

but to fix you'd increase the view distance

keep sim distance the same for similar performance

[river idol]

hmmmm

I already tried increasing it and i can see farther in the x-z directions but not the ground

[spark river]

oh, interesting

Maybe I'm wrong then

[river idol]

🤷‍♂️

[acoustic burrow]

anyone still get paper crashes? I havent for more than 24 horus

[native hornet]

I dont get any paper crashes

[spark river]

jury is out for me, usually happens after 16-18hrs

ask tomorrow

[pulsar dagger]

idk where you heard this

but it's not correct

it might be the clientside fog effect?

[main jackal]

Chunk loading is a cylinder now, according to slicedlime's 1.18 update video

[tribal stag]

I think bad phrasing on Mojang changelog if that’s not the case

[pulsar dagger]

cylinder != sphere

[thick glacier]

would there be performance gains rendering it as a decahedron?

[final mango]

unless you can prove that a handful of distance-squared calculations causes a performance impact significant enough to load them using simpler geometry, and make up for the additional chunk ticking you would have to do (which you won't be able to do), then no.

chunks loading cylindrically rather than in a square means that there are actually fewer chunks that need to be loaded which means better performance. The distance calculations required to define what a cylinder actually is are very simple (and actually are simpler and faster than the calculations required for a decahedron, it's such a common calculation that CPUs are able to pipeline this operation and can perform many of them in a single clock cycle, if required).

[smoky fulcrum]

has anybody else observed their server being calm and then just randomly jumping to high cpu usage and then calming down again? (no players are online)

[feral spire]

pretty normal

[polar quarry]

yes! that's the main benefit, and possibly the only one. thats why Xmx=Xms

[polar quarry]

i stopped seeing big spikes when i removed some plugins and disabled the keep-spawn-loaded thing. i still see activity with no players, though

no. come back in 2023

[wheat spoke]

I think once the "experimental" tag leaves the chatroom is when you can probably ask

Till then, don't.

[dark wigeon]

goes back to hypothetical

[polar quarry]

i should make a "common paper answers" document for copypasting

[twin bronze]

pastebin

[lethal orbit]

@polar quarry thanks!

[feral spire]

no

[dark wigeon]

i meaaaaaan i would say it's stable enough, especially for a few friends

[native hornet]

I would agree

[dark wigeon]

it's still experimental because it's new and hasn't been tested throughly enough to call stable, but i've seen so few issues that i would use it

updating paper versions will work fine, yes

though you may want to make a backup whenever you update anything, server software or plugins

https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/about/faq.html

[subtle surge]

yo we can just upgrade from a vanilla to a paper by just dropping the paper.jar in right

[feral spire]

yes

[polar quarry]

sorry about replying a whole day late!

[lethal orbit]

no worries 🙂

[polar quarry]

generally you just pop the paper.jar file in your server folder and that's it

replace the old paper jar? yes

but be careful when updating to experimental builds~

[tawdry spoke]

🌽

Corn

[polar quarry]

im a dev but not a paper dev, ive never contributed java code to this project

if you want to be very safe i suggest running vanilla 1.18.1 but performance is likely going to suck

[subtle surge]

1.18.1 is out?

[polar quarry]

experimental paper 1.18 is good enough for a few friends if you keep backups

it might crash, it might not... who knows, its experimental

[subtle surge]

lmfaooo sorry will do i was in a game of valornat lmao

[polar quarry]

lmao ok but 1.18.1 isnt out

[subtle surge]

yea lol just saw haha

[arctic oracle]

18.1 seems to be a bedrock only thing? at least at the moment

[fickle pawn]

Yes 1.18.1 is only for Bedrock

because once again, they've released an update that is buggy asf

[bronze linden]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-says-no-gif-13782932

[worldly wing]

Hi, my friends and I want to play Minecraft 1.18 today. I've always used paper because I'm used to it. I have around 20 plugins and a few datapacks on my server. Is it possible to start the server on spigot and when the stable version comes out convert it to paper without complications? Is it just a drag amd drop thing? Or should I wait for the stable version. Thank you

[inner crypt]

Paper is as stable or more stable than spigot

We just feel that we should warn our users that there might be bugs we don't know about yet

Spigot doesn't care about their users

So if you wanna go with 1.18, use paper, do a bit of testing, do backups and you are good to go

We got tens of thousands of servers on paper 1.18 already and they seem fine :)

(In fact, if you look at the servers that don't disable our anonymous stats, you can see that nobody uses spigot, lol https://minidigger.github.io/paperstats/#1.18 )

[worldly wing]

Ok, thank you

[empty lagoon]

Why do you say that?

[inner crypt]

Because they don't warn users about the potential issues

[empty lagoon]

Ah I see

[inner crypt]

It's impossible to put something out day one that has been tested in all possible setups, that's why we say, hey, this seems to work for us, you can try it too but please be careful

[vivid girder]

Basically being responsible devs. From one dev to another, I applaude you!
That being said, I can confirm that paper runs 1.18 like a dream. Only problems I have run into are with plugins and that is the plugin devs to fix.

[ebon dove]

my 1.18 paper server had no problems at all yesterday with 15 users, so looks great already

[tardy field]

i wanna test it butt i have some isues with the fact that my old map used some sick datapacsk regarding world generation. ive tested and ive seem that im gonna have a headache even with vanilla

[quaint grotto]

was going to wait aleast a week but if people are saying its fine then ill update tonight

[tardy field]

will do some testing today, done a copy of the map for testing pruposes

[inner crypt]

Yeah world gen datapacks explicitly were marked as experimental by vanilla

[tardy field]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE A DAMN BACKUP

[inner crypt]

You will most likely not have much luck

[quaint grotto]

i make backups all the time 🙂

[tardy field]

my internal test has been "delete datapack folder and delete level.dat"

[tardy field]

test your backups. I lost my 600gb map by not checking that my backups worked

triying to trim some chunks

[floral crypt]

Similar thing happened to me. That was depressing.

[tardy field]

i published my last working backup that was 2 weeks old

the server was dying anyway

[vivid bluff]

At least the trim worked.

[spark river]

[peak pulsar]

Umm how can i report bug ?

[spark river]

here

tell us what the bug is

[tardy field]

"worked"

you son of a

hahaha

[vivid bluff]

[tardy field]

yes, was my mistake

delete chunks that loaded time < 5 minutes

i did... >

instead of <

[quaint grotto]

omg

[tardy field]

yes

the server was dying, so was trying to get the map to be smaller to get a cheaper host

[quaint grotto]

i just run a small server at home for me and 2 friends..... asked people to join few yrs ago but people play for a week and leave lol gave up

[spark river]

Another good one is saying yes when linux actually asks "Are you actually sure? Type "YES" to continue."

When linux asks are you sure, you did something very wrong.

[last gulch]

yea I think the difficult thing is building a community around the server.

[spark river]

Context for the uninitiated: https://youtu.be/0506yDSgU7M?t=635

[quaint grotto]

yep that is very true

[spark river]

found my new test image api https://rory.cat/

[wheat hatch]

you have a rough idea of ​​when a stable version of the paper might come out?

[peak pulsar]

v1.18 doesn't even open for me, is there a solution for now?

[spark river]

it's called /eta

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[spark river]

sounds like you've got outdated java. use the launcher java.

[proper fjord]

Any thoughts on this? changed someones rank from console and the whole server got simultaneously kicked?

[spark river]

uh that's pretty weird lmfao

but not paper 99.9999% chance its another plugin

[proper fjord]

Ah ok - thought it might be linked to the 1.18 build as never had this before. There are times when part or all of the server just gets disconnected at the same time lol for seemingly no reason - the luckperms command might have just been a coincidence

[spark river]

that's like really weird, been running b20 for the past 24 hours with zero issues

been playing on another running b11 for a few days, just as stable

both use luckperms so like, doubt its luckperms

just to check, you've made sure you're running the latest development build for all your plugins, right? 😉

[proper fjord]

Yea it has been pretty stable - been up for 2 and a half days ish and had almost no issues except for the disconnecting. Probably an outdated plugin

LMAO

[signal river]

Hey is the "use-vanilla-world-scoreboard-name-coloring" feature bugged? my friend couldnt find the setting so he typed it in himself and set it to true, but it doesnt seem to work

[proper fjord]

yea probably outdatted plugin

there are 40 and i would have to manually go through all of them tho p-p better get started

[spark river]

And if a plugin spits out anything about a legacy api when loading, find a new plugin that does the same thing or get the dev or someone else to update it

[spark river]

life of a maintainer

[proper fjord]

I get a huge series of warns but that has always been the case lol I am just too lazy to fix it-

[spark river]

...and you're asking why people are getting randomly kicked

[peak pulsar]

I have the latest ver of java

[spark river]

need more info

post logs

[peak pulsar]

Where are the logs stored?

[spark river]

/logs

like /plugins but actually useful stuff inside

[peak pulsar]

The file itself doesn't launch, not even the eula file is created

[spark river]

bruh

launch from a console

java -jar paper-1.18-24.jar

[peak pulsar]

Thanks :D

[spark river]

...so it works now?

[peak pulsar]

I'm downloading it now

[spark river]

🤦‍♂️

[spark river]

when asked, check

[peak pulsar]

I did, I even redownloaded it to make sure XD

Guess I looked at the wrong place, mb

[spark river]

...

java --version

[peak pulsar]

Yeah it's working now

Thanks!

[spark river]

literally jre16 but ok

[stuck kiln]

is there a list of current bugs?

[inner crypt]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-desc+label%3A"version%3A+1.18"

[stuck kiln]

Thanks

[peak pulsar]

Where or how can i know when will the 1.18 release?

[inner crypt]

1.18 is released

[peak pulsar]

No i mean the stable 1

[inner crypt]

there will be no hard cut

our confidence will grow over time that there are no game breaking bugs and we will do an announcement then, but its already good to start your own testing with your plugins and stuff

[peak pulsar]

I have so many issues

[rigid loom]

[inner crypt]

have you opened issues if they are caused by paper?

because else they will never get fixed, lol

[peak pulsar]

Am not sure but 1.17 is work well as long as i update i face so many issues

[inner crypt]

dude

what issues

[peak pulsar]

It randomly lag with 20tps

And the chunk loading is so slow

[fleet mesa]

Your not helping the devs in any way my dude lol

[peak pulsar]

Oh

I just want to know when will the stable version release ^^

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[peak pulsar]

Oh thanks ^^

[inner crypt]

nothing is gonna change if we don't get proper reports, lmao

[peak pulsar]

What is proper report?

[inner crypt]

we are not aware of any performance or chunk loading issues, tens of thousands of servers run paper 1.18 without any issues already

[peak pulsar]

Oh maybe because not of the paper

[spark river]

had chunk loading issues earlier but couldn't reproduce it

[peak pulsar]

But why it still call experimental?

[spark river]

feels like a mojang bug

[inner crypt]

because we want everybody to be careful

[peak pulsar]

Oh ok get it i will check my server again

But 1 more question!

Does 1.18 require a lot more ram then 1.17?

[gusty trench]

Chunk generation (not loading) is much, much slower in 1.18 in general, so keep that in mind

[spark river]

many people including myself have noticed that 1.18 uses more ram

[gusty trench]

Also iirc we're missing a patch that helped chunk loading

[spark river]

but it's because jre17 uses more ram, not necessarily minecraft

[peak pulsar]

I plan on upgrade my ram for 1.18

[peak pulsar]

How much do you have at the moment?

[peak pulsar]

3gb

Yea thats not a lot

With 10 slot 💀

[spark river]

was going to say not necessary, but that could definitely benefit with some more

[peak pulsar]

it mainly depends what plugins you have and what view distance

I mean my ram is not full with 10. Player slot but the chunk is not loading sometimes and it randomly lag

[peak pulsar]

Not a lot just a normal smp plugin

[inner crypt]

people just need to understand how java uses memory better

unused memory is wasted memory, never forget that

[peak pulsar]

I have a lot to learn and now am learning it

[spark river]

don't 100% agree with this part but I understand your logic

[inner crypt]

why not?

if you tell java it can use 4 gb and it only uses 2 that would be a waste

you can save cpu cycles by using more memory

[spark river]

System overhead and leaving room for other programs, by using all the memory all the time you're defeating the point of the garbage collector and dynamic memory allocations

[peak pulsar]

I have 3 gb and it use 96% 💀

[spark river]

sure it uses more cpu time to allocate memory, but like, c'mon

if you've got a box that is JUST minecraft, sure

[peak pulsar]

My cpu is always under 30%

[spark river]

otherwise, no

[inner crypt]

oh yeah never allocate all your available ram to minecraft, lol

but out of all the ram you allocate, java will try to use as much as possible

[spark river]

but like, you've gotta remember things like cron doing apt update at midnight on saturday

these things people won't and don't consider

and it will cause a hang

so it's good advice for those who know what it means

[peak pulsar]

Testing time i will do some research and test it my self

[spark river]

the danger of giving educated advice to the uneducated masses is misinterpreting good advice and coming to a bad conclusion under the impression of understanding it

[livid vigil]

It's part of the point to allocate memory sanely :p If your server runs so close to its limit that you can't update your system, it's time to reduce some of the resource usages. If you do allocate e.g. 4GB to Java however, it should use all of it best it can

[amber flint]

Good quote

My lag isn't due to Memory or my CPU. It's due to slow internet speed...my isp is not the best.

[spark river]

actually, digging into that a little more, it's not always the ISP

have you tested for bufferbloat, jitter, and average loaded/unloaded RTT/ping

a poorly setup link can make a slow link feel just that much worse, the horrid effects increase as the speed decreases

[amber flint]

Yeah...

[spark river]

what's your link stats?

[amber flint]

I'm only getting 20mps and the bandwidth is used with the kids on TVs and other devices...

[spark river]

tbh isps will usually misconfigure the link because it makes people upgrade since it will mitigate several common network issues, most people dont need more than a 100/10 but don't know that because they've never had a properly setup 100/10

thus the incarnation of 1200mbps packages for a family household

[spark river]

sounds like you're suffering from bufferbloat

but lets test, its super easy

[amber flint]

Ok.. how do I get around that

[spark river]

https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat