❗-1-18-experimental

[dusk fiber]

Hello. how long to wait for a stable version of paper?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[long edge]

the current version will not break your world or crash frequently anything, it is more just incomplete

[lusty island]

Was just about to ask something like that 😄 Incomplete in that it doesn't have all the desired Paper optimizations?

[long edge]

yes, as in everything from paper 1.17 isn't yet in paper 1.18

[tardy star]

Ohh

[mortal pond]

🤨 Why does it happen

[fathom flame]

Decent as far as the vanilla chunk generation goes now but yes... fairly stable

[long edge]

yes it'll work

[fathom flame]

Seem 1.18 really killing it with double the size of each chunk..

[long edge]

see https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight/issues/120

[lusty island]

Cool. I may setup a "preview" world and tell my few players it may break or whatever 🙂 Is it likely that once Paper 1.18 is out it should be a drop in for such a world?

[fathom flame]

Shouldnt have any impact on the world

[long edge]

correct, yes, but backup first

to both of you

[sick hearth]

I've found similar issues posted here before, is this a known issue?

[vivid iron]

stacktrace.txt by @sick hearth: https://paste.gg/00a3710185c74e3f865558c54c66d884

[lusty island]

Always backup 😄

[mortal pond]

Isn't paperweight 1.3.1 already fixing it?

[lusty island]

Works for me. I'll consider it a throw away world and warn people accordingly until stable anyway. It is a preview release after all 🙂

Thanks 🙂

[next owl]

hey i have a doubt

will protection stones data be same

on 1.18

like regions

[dapper lotus]

Generally yea

But, we can't comment on random 3rd party software

[next owl]

ok thanks

i had the doubt cuz y lvl

is increased

[dapper lotus]

Depends on how the plugin handles that but they'd have to do something weird to lose data

[next owl]

yea

anyway it is not officialy released for 1.18 yet

will wait for safety

[sick hearth]

here's the full crash report https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/b8432f663bb9471b830ee889a0d952dd

[dapper lotus]

Known bug

[sick hearth]

Are there any workarounds?

[tardy field]

waiting in 1.17 with viaversion

or waiting for next build

or future

I was using terralith and updating is gonna be a big ass headache

gonna wait a little bit to not everything explotde

[split steppe]

is starlight already on the experimental builds?

[peak pulsar]

yes

[austere flicker]

If I were to want to add a creative world on the same server where I'm hosting a survival world. Is there some plugin to like press a button or flip a switch to get teleported there, and also back? The group I'm playing with has like 10ish people that want to do survival, and a few that just enjoy building in creative. I don't know if this is possible at all. I know it might not be stable because of 1.18 but I'm down to try and see what happens.

[split steppe]

multiverse

[austere flicker]

Will give that a shot, tyty

[deep walrus]

Help https://pastebin.com/8CSw3xRy

[split steppe]

also you need multiverse-inventories

[unique nymph]

You'll also need to switch inventories to prevent people from bringing unlimited items from the creative world to survival. You can try Multiverse-Inventories, but I prefer xInventories.

[austere flicker]

Yeah I saw on the page. I will probably just add all the multiverse plugins

[unique nymph]

Multiverse can enforce the proper gamemodes in the proper worlds for you, too.

[austere flicker]

I will keep xinventories in mind incase I can't get it to work @unique nymph ty

Oh nice

[steel heart]

There is not a way to prevent people from getting achievements while in creative, is there?

[split steppe]

/gamerule announceadvancements false in the creative world

that's only to hide the messages, I don't know if you can disable achievements for a gamemode

I don't think so

[compact karma]

Is there no way to fix Tab Complete on Java 17 yet?

[half walrus]

Having issues with tab complete on java 17? See https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6936#issuecomment-979713795

[lusty island]

https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.18/latest/download <-- is this expected to work? 🤔

[long edge]

no, that's not

api v1 has been deprecated since over a year ago, and was shut down a couple weeks back

[lusty island]

Ohhhhh... I noticed the change in the download link on the page. I also tried it with v2 and had the same result. A tiny file far too small to be a jar

[long edge]

what exactly did you use for v2?

as that will work

[lusty island]

Let me check, one moment

[long edge]

as in https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper/versions/1.18/builds/22/downloads/paper-1.18-22.jar will be a ~35mb jar

[lusty island]

https://papermc.io/api/v2/paper/1.18/latest/download <-- that

Results in a "whitelabel error page"

[long edge]

there ins't a latest endpoint for v2

[lusty island]

That would do it 😄

Is there some endpoint that would fill that role?

[lethal orbit]

apologies for the delay :),
The only benefit to setting min = max is to be certain the system allocates all the memory for Java, instead of finding out later on that some other process has occupied some causing Java to not be able to use the full amount specified in the max setting?
hope that's "more" clear or "clearer"? 🙂

[peak pulsar]

yooo im using the later version of paper and it just randomly crashes my players games when they load chunks it crashes there game and every time they join it just crashes again please help

[long edge]

get https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper/version_group/1.18/builds and parse that, then get the actual jar

[dapper lotus]

I like the part where you provided useful info for us to look at to see the crash

[peak pulsar]

there is no info on server side

[dapper lotus]

check logs

no logs, no halp

[peak pulsar]

just crashes your game and you get a mc loncher error

[lusty island]

Hmmm... well, that could be interesting. I'm trying to feed it to msm (old, I know) and I'm not sure it'll parse that. I'll give it a try though

[dapper lotus]

failing that, check dmesg, etc

[wheat phoenix]

How stable is 1.18 paper so far

[peak pulsar]

in the console you just get discornected

[stark pagoda]

yes

[dapper lotus]

I mean, if it's the client shitting itself, reproduce without plugins

otherwise, check client logs

does single player work?

Otherwise, 🤷‍♂️

[peak pulsar]

single player works

[hard pivot]

Do you guys think that the current experimental build stable enough to host a server for under 20 people?

[valid turret]

I would wait for this

[peak pulsar]

depends entirely on your hardware

[valid turret]

Thats to much risk

[rough drift]

on the latest 1.18 build it seems it's not respecting gamerule doDaylightCycle false. It stops cycling for a little bit but then continues

[hard pivot]

Ok thank you. 🙂

[dapper lotus]

check that the gamerule hasn't changed?

I don't think it's something that can really fail once it's set

[wild falcon]

If you do run it make sure to backup frequently and keep up to date

[rough drift]

I've been building out my spawn area and have had to set it 3x already since it keeps getting night

[deep umbra]

Im planning to host a survival vanilla server on paper 1.18, do you guys think its going to be insanely unstable or playable

[dapper lotus]

I mean

That question has been asked 200 times

[valid turret]

For Real xD

[dapper lotus]

feel free to read the channel and see the issue tracker and make your own judgement call.

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @crystal dune: https://paste.gg/c798059378b64ccf928c6c5b1477ba3f

[dapper lotus]

git:BungeeCord-Bootstrap:1.17-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:b7935d4

er

1.17 bungee, 1.18 server?

[peak pulsar]

ye its on a bungee

[dapper lotus]

Not what I'm stating

You're using bungee 1.17

[valid turret]

You need to update

[peak pulsar]

but its going to a paper 1.18 server?

do i nead to update the bunge?

[dapper lotus]

glhf

[rough drift]

so this time I checked and gamerule doDaylightCycle is set to false but I can see the sun moving and now it's dark

[wild falcon]

Well yeah

[bleak violet]

is there any recommended settings to reduce lag in 1.18?

[half walrus]

https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/

[bleak violet]

ok thank you! I didn't know it was up to date

[wild falcon]

If your current bungee update doesn't support 1.18 how is bungee going to connect to a 1.18 server 🤔

[feral spire]

Read the very big red text @bleak violet

[deep umbra]

Oh my bad, I haven’t really been active on this server

[peak pulsar]

leaf has been sleeping for a very long time now

[bleak violet]

darnit

[feral spire]

It’s uptodate if you just ignore the no-tick part

[peak pulsar]

@feral spire literally unreadable

[bleak violet]

damn I need this guide ages ago

[feral spire]

[feral spire]

Ok this took me way too long to see. Will fix tonight lol

[thick hatch]

I mean I’ve ran my server on vanilla mob spawn rates (10 render distance too) on paper 1.18 with ~20 people on and was sitting at a steady 20TPS

So I’d say it’s definitely good enough to run

[wise zenith]

Am I the only one who get a lot of weird things with 1.18 world gen ?

[peak pulsar]

what kind of weird things?

[wise zenith]

this one is soft

[rough drift]

isn't that a vanilla mc issue?

[acoustic burrow]

To be fair, the code for world generation must be a work of art now

I’m seriously impressed with Mojang

[feral spire]

That’s just one micro biome

Vanilla issue yesh

[wise zenith]

I played the 1.17 and it wasn't like that

the mountains are cut in half sometimes

[feral spire]

Seed generation is changed from 17 to 18

It WILL look different

[deep umbra]

Alright perfect, works for me

[deep umbra]

How much ram did you alocate to your server?

[thick hatch]

12GB

[deep umbra]

Oh damn

[lusty island]

Is there any intention to provide a "latest" endpoint again with the v2 endpoint or no? 🙂

[dapper lotus]

no

same answer as the 200 other times it's been asked

[vale wigeon]

how many core @ which clock?

[bleak violet]

you guys should make a faq section

[lusty island]

Hmmm... alright

[feral spire]

This only works if people actually make some effort to read.

90% of the questions is technically already answered once if they just discord search but this community is active enough to help everyone as they come

[chrome palm]

you call this an issue? i call this art. i missed this kind of generation from older versions 😔

predominantly from beta 1.7.3

[wild falcon]

Well yeah they redid the world gen, that's like the update

[acoustic burrow]

Still no holographic displays

[feral spire]

You may have to fork it to make it work

Ask Dejay if he’s not already done it. He helped someone here back in 1.17

[acoustic burrow]

[tawdry spoke]

Are there many bugs still in build 22

[muted widget]

If they knew about all of the bugs, there would be more than 22 builds already

Does that answer your question

[vestal veldt]

most likely

[tawdry spoke]

True 😭😭

I can’t wait until the build is stable 😂😂😂 they are doing a good job tho

[feral spire]

I mean

My staging server has been up for days

So if your server has zero player it’s stable

[tawdry spoke]

😂😂

I’m gonna have like 10 players at a time

[feral spire]

Already over 10k server on paper

There are many brave people testing for us

[tawdry spoke]

😂 if I put it on my server, people would go so mad at me 😂😂😂

Tbf tho paper does update quite quickly considering you don’t have to pay for it

[feral spire]

Actually it’s doubled since yesterday wow

[mild sierra]

first time?

[snow merlin]

hey can i talk about plugins here?

[glad condor]

Dang a lot of people after papers 1.18 lol

[half walrus]

Don't ask to ask.

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.

[inner crypt]

Worth noting that that chart excludes many many shared hosts

So you can easily double the number

[peak pulsar]

ip rate limit?

[surreal zodiac]

i wanted to run paper 1.18 on both my servers but one just shut the server down before and wouldn't work and it took a pain to get it back and running on 1.17.1. (still hoping to update soon on that one) so far my other that did work with the upgrade seems to be working alright so far

[inner crypt]

No the shared hosts disable bstats because they fear ddosing bstats, lol

[peak pulsar]

lol what

[snow merlin]

is there a plugin to automatically change view distance depending on tps? i know there was one on 1.17 but does anyone know abt any working on 1.18?

[stark pagoda]

pretty janky

[golden wigeon]

Wait for the one in 1.17 to update for 1.18.x
(or dont update to 1.18 yet)

[quartz bolt]

anyone have any experience w running on the experimental builds

[snow merlin]

yes

its stable so far

[quartz bolt]

interesting

[mortal token]

no

don't

if not production it is good

[dapper lotus]

Please stop offering blind advice if you have no idea what you're talking about

[quartz bolt]

^

im looking for answers from real server owners

[dapper lotus]

currently nobody is reporting any issues that I'm aware of which haven't been an issue for years

🤷‍♂️

[quartz bolt]

hmm

i dont mind small bugs. jus dont want any catastrophic failures

world corruption etc

[dapper lotus]

only complaints of that I've seen so far is from people doing stuff mojang told them not too

[fallen rampart]

Sorry if this question already has been answered already, but how stable would you say the 1.18 experimental build is compared to 1.17 on a rough scale from 1-10? I've heard people say its pretty stable and safe to use and people who tells me to avoid it. Thanks!

[dapper lotus]

(and, apparently paper fixed the big one)

[pseudo sparrow]

it's literally being discussed

[dapper lotus]

Read the channel

[pseudo sparrow]

above you

alex

[quartz bolt]

interesting

crazy but

i actually learned java so i could try and fork my own experimental builds for 1.18 cuz ive been on snapshots since 21w32a

but now theres these ones so

[fallen rampart]

Yeah, and the only thing I get from that conversation is that PlainApple says it stable and Keyaedisa tries to get some aswers

[quartz bolt]

was going 2 both use them and look at them 2 continue learning

[pseudo sparrow]

so you got your answer before you wrote it down...?

[fallen rampart]

"I've heard people say its pretty stable and safe to use and people who tells me to avoid it."

[dapper lotus]

I mean

Read what I said

there's a full channel of people constantly discussing it

[quartz bolt]

my takeaway is: stable if udc about the same bugs that have existed for ages

[pseudo sparrow]

its experimental, no serious issues being reported (from what i read)
you'll be able to switch to stable 1.18 papermc release once its out
before that
backup your world every so often and you'll be fine

[mortal token]

my take away
be patient

[dapper lotus]

I don't see what patch conflicts has anything to do with forking

But, I mean, we don't even have a place for plugins yet, but, otherwise, yea...

[mortal token]

hangar will fix the yet

hopefully

[dapper lotus]

I mean

We change stuff all the time

[latent parrot]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136#issuecomment-982297893 has a list of missing features that will follow

You can draw your own conclusions from how much work is left to be done

[dapper lotus]

I mean

literally both of those methods jump back onto the main thread

[hot zenith]

Using the latest build of 1.18 Paper, is it expected for ram to be climbing?

Since it's experimental after all

[tired whale]

Anyone having issues getting with the view distance being cut off? Comparing a single player world with my Paper server is pretty drastically different. Not sure if this is already a known issue.

[vale scroll]

I use it for a server for me and my friends. No issues with it, however with more plugins added it can be a problem I think. Some plugins might not work well.
Without plugins (or just a few), I would say a 10
With plugins, maybe 7

[latent parrot]

wrong reply

[fallen rampart]

Thanks you so much for answering my question! :)

[latent parrot]

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-243216 I am guessing this is close to what you are experiencing ?

[tired whale]

Yes that looks very similar to the issue. So potentially a Mojang issue and not paper?

[glass pilot]

Does it make sense to have a multi-threaded processor for a 1.18 server? Sorry if this is a stupid question.

[peak pulsar]

Single threaded performance is still the most important part

[glass pilot]

Yes, sorry

Thanks

[peak pulsar]

I am thinking of switching to 1.18 while it's experimental, but wanted to ask here, has anyone reported significant issues, lag? maps being messed up etc?

[latent parrot]

.

[inner crypt]

Experience with only one core will be absolutely horrible

You want at least a few

[dapper lotus]

no

Literally 0 of the code is documented by mojang bar the odd random snippet that leaks into posts here and there, and nobody generally cares to document this stuff externally much either

[inner crypt]

It also doesn't matter to users

[peak pulsar]

Question to those running 1.18 with 1.17 plugins, are they generally working?

[dapper lotus]

.try

urgh

Either way, just try it

Seriously, this is just yet another typical release cycle

[inner crypt]

But yes if they are decent plugins they will work or already have an update

[empty lagoon]

[peak pulsar]

kash nuked all the good bot commands :(

[latent parrot]

maybe you just gotta

.tryandsee

awww

[long edge]

this channel isn't bridged

and it's an irc bot

[latent parrot]

[dapper lotus]

annnd I broke it

/try

[peak pulsar]

remove the slash

[tired thunder]

type "help" without the slash

[autumn kelp]

ah

okay

apart from that, is setting the server icon and whatever the same as previous versions?

[dapper lotus]

noting that you've never used / for commands in the console, yea, all the same

[hot zenith]

8GB

I have the heap limit set to 8GB as well

Yeah

2GB normally

then it climbs after a day or so

To 8

Alright

I'll make sure to do it thanks

[lofty gull]

so noone reported any issues other than what mojang told not to, i guess thats a go for me
sounds stable

[gleaming quartz]

^^

[shell hare]

backups are key ^_^

[jaunty ivy]

if you're taking the risk of running experimental builds, you should be taking backups
(i mean, you should be taking backups anyway)

[fathom sky]

If I use the unstable build can I just switch it after there’s a stable one?

[dapper lotus]

I mean, they're just builds

you can update them like literally any other paper build

[peak pulsar]

I need to buy another backup server, I only have space for one 800gb backup

[glossy compass]

I downloaded the latest experimental version and put it in the location specified by the command. Still it seems to insist that I'm running on 17.01. How do I fix this?

(Sorry, I'm new to server hosting)

[bleak violet]

have you updated your run command?

[quasi panther]

that's Java 17.0.1, not Minecraft 1.17.1

your Java version is correct

[jaunty ivy]

hey, do you happen to have a link to where you got this info? or is it something local?

[glossy compass]

Good question; I don't know. I changed the command that you see, but I'm not sure what other run command I need

[peak pulsar]

https://minidigger.github.io/paperstats/#1.18

[jaunty ivy]

cheers noah!

[peak pulsar]

It's slightly biased, but it should give you an approximation

[bleak violet]

it's probably fine but I was talking about the .bat file you'd use to start your server

[jaunty ivy]

yeah, it's just to get an idea of how many people are running 1.18 vs how many people are having issues so I can decide when to just bite the bullet and update on prod

[glossy compass]

Ah, yes. I changed it; I just copied and pasted from my run.sh file I use just to make it easier to read here

[quasi panther]

post more of the early output from running the server; it should say what Minecraft version is running a little later, I think you just got confused by the Java version being similar to the previous Minecraft version

[glossy compass]

I would, but the problem is that the server does not run. That's all the output it gives me when I run the .jar file.

Is there something else I'm missing?

[quasi panther]

that's the end of the output?

[glossy compass]

The first time I ran the command (from run.sh) it gave me this output

[quasi panther]

then I would read the last line

well, Paper works by live-patching the Mojang server and it downloaded mojang's 1.18, so it's running 1.18

[glossy compass]

Yep. I'm not sure what that means, however; forums online just explain something about world corruption, but It doesn't even work when I load from backups

[quasi panther]

try moving or renaming the world folder and have it start up with a fresh world to eliminate that as a cause

[jaunty ivy]

@glossy compass did you use an experimental caves and cliffs datapack?

[quasi panther]

ohhh i forgot that thing existed, yeah if you used that you can't upgrade your world to 1.18 (and they said so when they released it)

[vivid bluff]

You actually can.

You just have to edit the NBT data of the level.dat and it will load without issues.

[jaunty ivy]

sure, you technically can, just good luck getting support for it 😉

[vivid bluff]

Works like any other world.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glossy compass]

Not that I know of. I tried to go straight from paper for 1.17.1 to the experimental paper 1.18

[dapper lotus]

You clearly didn't

[glossy compass]

So, that seems to have worked. (I can't be sure because I'm not at home, and it gave me the error that it can't bind to the port, but it created a new world folder, so I assume it's working.)

So, is there any way to salvage the world?

[dapper lotus]

That check checks the "series" of the jar

You ran that world against a version of the server which wasn't a "main" release line

[glossy compass]

I'm not sure what that means. Could you explain?

[dapper lotus]

that flag is irrelevant to that thing

and don't mention.

[vivid bluff]

Hehe.

[dapper lotus]

You ran a jar which mojang explictly does not allow upgrades to release from

if you edit the level.dat, you can maybe set the series to main, but, make sure that you have backups, expect 0 support

[merry scaffold]

It takes like 2 - 4 minutes on Linux.

(on first run)

You on Linux or Windows?

[dark wigeon]

If only I had a good cpu

[peak pulsar]

Then what’s the next step

[topaz nymph]

On WSL it’s prettt nice but I have a duel boot Linux instance and it’s much faster

[dapper lotus]

I mean, 1.16 was a much simpler setup

[vapid prawn]

Did you clone inside WSL2 or is the clone on the Windows side?

[dapper lotus]

Now we have fancy mappings and a massive process to boot

[peak pulsar]

is there like ac in paper that can kick for basic stuff ?

[dapper lotus]

well, applyServerPatches is often held up by other tasks

[dark wigeon]

nothing other than vanilla

[dapper lotus]

e.g. decompiling the spigot jar after it's compiled and patched it or something iirc

[tawdry spoke]

Sorry to be annoying, how many builds usually are there or just random amount depending

[feral spire]

As many as required

[dapper lotus]

how long is a piece of string.

[tawdry spoke]

Ok thank you 😁😁

Also anything we can do to help out or not really?

[dark wigeon]

Find issues

Unintended bugs, crashes

[tawdry spoke]

Ohhh ok thank you, where would I report it?

[long edge]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/new

[tawdry spoke]

Thank yiu 😁😁

[peak pulsar]

why is bash 10x slower on windows

[dapper lotus]

I've never heard of that being the case

[topaz nymph]

Wrong channel?

[dapper lotus]

I mean, that's nothing to do with bash

and, that screams that you crossed the FS boundary or something stupid, unless it spent that long just DL'ing files

[vestal veldt]

on windows 11 + git bash it’s only like 3-5 mins for me to build purpur

[chrome palm]

WSL2 runs under hyperv doesn't it

try with something more native like MSYS2

[verbal sand]

is it possible to use 2 cpus for a mc server

[quasi panther]

that's up to Java, not Minecraft or Paper

[dapper lotus]

project with path

Did you define it wrong?

I mean, in paper, that's a project

in your own thing, no idea what you're doing

[merry scaffold]

If you're trying to use the api you need to add compileOnly() not project()

[spark river]

Yesterday I was having issues with build 11 crashing due to some sort of temporary file issue, having it again on build 20

I know it was said it was my system, but this behavior is not present on any other server builds

Something has to have changed

[dapper lotus]

logs? java version?

[vivid iron]

2021-12-02-1.log by @spark river: https://paste.gg/6e78962cfd9b4535aab178432163cd0b

[dapper lotus]

I mean

Literally every dump is in windows code

or, well, in the jvm accessing windows native code

[dusky bloom]

What plugins do you recommend for 1.18 performance ?

[spark river]

Do you want me to try running it on jre15, this only occurs after about 18 hours

(Not even sure if it'll run on 15)

[dapper lotus]

You literally can't even run it on java 15

all I can see is that the JVM is stalling when accessing the windows FS

[spark river]

So it's a java bug

Great.

The restarted server also had a bug

[vivid iron]

latest.log by @spark river: https://paste.gg/5076779f324445fe84aa16fd731fd2ab

[spark river]

Didn't crash

[dapper lotus]

I mean, part of my advice would be check the disk IO load

exact same issue

JVM is overloaded too

[spark river]

Considering it's now running on a different drive, not sure what to say here

[dapper lotus]

So, maybe the machine itself is overloaded

[spark river]

I have it on good authority it isn't

[dapper lotus]

oh, wait, no, misbrained

can't say that the JVM is overloaded

11 year old CPU scary

[spark river]

12 year old server

Still works

[05:53:16 WARN]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 14765ms or 295 ticks behind

This has been happening randomly starting in 1.17

It'll happen roughly every 8 hours for no reason

[half plume]

15 seconds behind

[dapper lotus]

honestly, my advice? try linux

[spark river]

I'd be running it on linux if I had a box for it available

[dapper lotus]

but, I mean, am sus over the disk

[peak pulsar]

okay i switched to 1.18, I am getting a lot of warnings in console from plugins like discordsrv, venturechat etc, but nothing is broken it still seems to work

[civic plank]

sometimes that would happen when someone would recieve a chat for the first time

[spark river]

I'm more suspicious of java since this issue wasn't there before I started using jre17

[civic plank]

isnt jre17 still expirmental?

i thought current stable was jre16

[dapper lotus]

no

[vague falcon]

jdk17 came out back in september and is currently the latest LTS

[spark river]

I'll make sure it's the latest version, haven't checked in a bit

[vague falcon]

tmk java 16 had some flags that let you be janky but java 17 removed it

so it's probably yelling at you about that

[spark river]

#❗-1-18-experimental message

It's yelling about a filesystem issue

[wild crag]

If you don’t need it to be a physical in-house box then I recommend renting a VPS from a reputable provider like digitalocean or linode

[chrome palm]

you can still be janky but it takes more work now

you need to add an --add-opens for each illegally-accessed module

instead of just going --illegal-access=permit

[bold spindle]

Could we at least know the release date of Paper 1.18?

[chrome palm]

.eta

pfft

[latent parrot]

rip xD well long story short, no. Paper does not estimate the time of arrival of a stable build

[chrome palm]

thank you, bot

[peak pulsar]

irc isn't bridged here, use the slash command

[chrome palm]

at least command prefixes worked

[kindred basalt]

Builds already exist. There are no ETAs provided whatsoever.

[peak pulsar]

The slash command experience™️

[spark river]

#the-silents message

[dark wigeon]

Best

[civic plank]

A wizard arrives precisely when he means too

[bold spindle]

I got it guys 😄

[dapper lotus]

Well, actually

I arrive early

[spark river]

If I wanted to setup a linux box, I would've already. This isn't for a lack of knowledge of hosts, or how to do it, but more because I prefer setting up a server locally before moving it offsite.

[bold spindle]

I hope so 😅

[little temple]

I setup the server with the experiment jar and i get kicked every time i sleep lol

[bold spindle]

[dapper lotus]

Sometimes I make a joke, and I just get sus that somebody is underage with the response

[bold spindle]

But how long can take the preparation?

[dapper lotus]

There is no ETA

Stop pestering for one

[bold spindle]

Do you know something? 😅

[peak pulsar]

if you can recreate it without plugins, report it on the issue tracker

[little temple]

aight

yea i just realized its probably a plugin

[dusky bloom]

8k from 0, 0 😄

[arctic oracle]

what hardware/plugin you using to do that? 20k only took me 6h30m

[little temple]

oop

[little temple]

it does indeed happen with no plugins

wheres the issue tracker

[devout quail]

github.com/papermc/paper

[muted widget]

Are you on the latest build?

[little temple]

22?

[peak pulsar]

that is latest

[arctic oracle]

not the first person who has said something about bed issues in the last few days tho

[frozen onyx]

Do you guys recommend using 1.18 experimental versions?

[arctic oracle]

for testing? sure

[true schooner]

Test it as much as you can but please don't run it in production

The builds are called experimental for a reason

[frozen onyx]

I will use it for playing with my friends

Casual survival

[hexed flower]

Or run it in production anyways and lose your worlds.

[frozen onyx]

Oh so there is a chance of that

[dapper lotus]

already been discussed 200 times, generally, they seem stable enough

[frozen onyx]

Ok thanks

[civic plank]

the more you test it the more bugs are found faster for a stable

[frozen onyx]

I'm sorry but I was not here for those 200 times, sorry to bother you for the 201st time

[frozen onyx]

You're right, thank you man

[dapper lotus]

Don't ping.

[sacred trout]

https://c.tenor.com/LqNPvLVdzHoAAAAM/cat-ping.gif

[arctic oracle]

discord has a search function

[odd maple]

update, faster, my server uses that, and i cant join, cuz im updated to 1.18.0 and season is gona end soon, and my base will be unfinished for the 10th time

[arctic oracle]

did you REALLY just tell them to go faster when we have semi stable builds on like day 2 for the first time literally ever?

[dapper lotus]

wat

[sacred trout]

Yikes

[subtle kelp]

Is there a place where I can see known bugs for current versions of paper 1.18

[dapper lotus]

the issue tracker on github

[arctic oracle]

the bug tracker, alternativly here

[subtle kelp]

Cool

[latent parrot]

tho note, the issue tracker also contains issues that are not validated by us yet

so take them with a grain of salt

[odd maple]

whats a viaversion?

[hard magnet]

plugin

[latent parrot]

https://github.com/ViaVersion/ViaVersion

Allows the connection of newer clients to older server versions for Minecraft servers.

[arctic oracle]

allows other game versions to connect to your server, however if your intent was to get new terrain will not do what you want

[wicked sandal]

My Server with DiscordSRV doesn´t work.

[arctic oracle]

ok...

logs?

versions up to date?

[latent parrot]

also generally not really a paper issue but more a discord srv issue 😅

[warped sleet]

You already posted that today. Do you even read the answers? This is not a paper problem.

[wicked sandal]

ok

[arctic oracle]

pretty sure someone also mentioned there was a specific discordsrv version that works with 1.18. wouldn't know if this guy has used it based on the complete lack of info tho

[wicked sandal]

i was offline sry

[dapper lotus]

It's literal basic "halp"

We can't do fuck all or say fuck all if you give 0 info, especially after being asked.

[wicked sandal]

What kind of information should I give?

[dapper lotus]

Don't mention.

[inner crypt]

#paper-help

[dapper lotus]

"Halp I'm having errors"

maybe the errors?!

[thorny charm]

probably best to check if discordsrv is even up to date with 1.18 yet too..

[hexed flower]

EssX discord is!

[wicked sandal]

That is the problem there are no errors
but the server only says "starting".

[arctic oracle]

and the log file says...?

what version? which other pluigins? what versions are they?

hell what hardware?

literally ANY information

[lapis parrot]

Stop pinging cat

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @wicked sandal: https://paste.gg/40e241c0175e4051b81ce41178e51a70

[arctic oracle]

according to that your server is up and running normally

[dapper lotus]

I mean

[arctic oracle]

have you tried connecting to it?

[dapper lotus]

You're saying it had errors

and there is literally 0 errors

[wicked sandal]

yes i can connect

[dapper lotus]

So, idk what you're talking about by saying it's not working

[rocky nest]

what's the problem then...?

[lapis parrot]

[rocky nest]

indeed aber

[wicked sandal]

The server status is permanently "starting".

[snow merlin]

TrY MaXiMiZiNg ThE CoNsOLe WiNdOw

[tepid raven]

how would you update a 1.17 world

[rocky nest]

Oh you mean in your server panel? Talk to your host then.

[arctic oracle]

in discord?

[dapper lotus]

You just run 1.18

[tepid raven]

seriously?

[dapper lotus]

Yes

[wicked sandal]

ok

[tepid raven]

it auto converts when i put a 1.17 world in it

[dapper lotus]

Like literally every other single version of MC before it

[rocky nest]

I mean you'll probably need to update your plugins, but nothing on Paper's end

[tepid raven]

huh cool

so i just need to update paper mc and put my world into it

[rocky nest]

[tepid raven]

i thought the 1.18 update would ruin the world tbh lol

[lapis parrot]

Backup anyways

[glad flower]

I have a uh.. "bug report" for paper but I'm not sure if it's worth putting in an issue report for lol.

[rocky nest]

• yes, backups backups backups

[glad flower]

The readme.md for Paper (the server itself) at https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper constantly refers to itself as paperclip. lol

[rocky nest]

Correct. The jar you download from the website is paperclip, which is Paper's buildtools equivilant

[arctic oracle]

paperclip is the jar that compiles paper

because legal shenanigans

[glad flower]

Right, but that description is on the server page, not for paperclip (at https://github.com/PaperMC/Paperclip )

[timber ridge]

Need a paperclip to keep all your papers in order

[glad flower]

(you can see my confusion here)

[rocky nest]

The only mentions of paperclip are in the "How to - Server admins" section which tells people to download a paperclip build

[glad flower]

I think I see. so it's referring to it properly, but the wording is just silly. It should mention that paperclip is a different repository

[rocky nest]

That's the only way for someone with little technical knowledge to get paper

[glad flower]

my brain autocompletes this and goes "it says download paper but it then mentions paperclip???"

lol

I get it now though, thanks for the explanation. Not sure if worth cleaning that up.

[dusky bloom]

My ultra old pc 😅

[tepid raven]

how does simulation distance affect farm tho?

[tribal lotus]

Simulation Distance is just showing unloaded chunks how they looked last time you loaded them

[rocky nest]

no that's view distance

[tribal lotus]

at least that's what i understood

[rocky nest]

Simulation distance is the previous "view distance" pre-1.18. What is now "view distance" is paper's old "no-tick view distance"

[tepid raven]

so simulation distance affect the client side

instead of the entire world like view distance

[tribal lotus]

[rocky nest]

Simulation distance is the distance which will be updated, view distance is how much the player can see

(so any redstone etc outside of the simulation distance but within the view distance will be visible but won't be doing anything)

[tribal lotus]

It's the opposite

[tepid raven]

so simulation distance increase the size of the loaded chunk?

[rocky nest]

same for mobs & anything else that can tick

[tribal lotus]

Simulation distance is no tick view distance

and view distance remains the same

[rocky nest]

Except it's not.

[tepid raven]

huh

[rocky nest]

ignore gush3l, they are confused

[glad flower]

View distance = how far you can see blocks
Simulation distance = how far away from you should stuff be "working"

[tepid raven]

wait so was i right about simulation distance increasing the amount of the loaded chunk

[glad flower]

so you can see further without simulating a thousand chickens running around

[last shard]

view distance: total amount of chunks sent to the client.
simulation distance: distance within the view distance that will be ticked

[jolly mortar]

.aikar

[tepid raven]

is simulation distance client side or will be set within the config

[rocky nest]

both are serverside

[last shard]

both in server.properties

[tepid raven]

oh ok

[rocky nest]

(I believe simulation distance is viewable in the client though, not sure)

[tepid raven]

i think the simulation distance in the new server file will be the same as the default view distance as before

so whatever

i still don't get what is no tifck view distance and what i should set it at tho

[glad flower]

It's dead

[last shard]

just rendered in, nothing is happening in those chunks

[glad flower]

that's a dead setting now because that's what simulation distance is

(please correct me if I'm wrong here)

[gusty trench]

No-tick VD is a little different

It's just not been updated, not dead yet

[bronze linden]

https://is.paper.sexy/ViewDistance.png

[rocky nest]

ruh roh modified client
e: or wierd image

[muted ether]

well im using paper 1.18 default no plugins i got some issues, command completion wont work + only op can build

[half walrus]

Having issues with tab complete on java 17? See https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6936#issuecomment-979713795

Having issues with tab complete on java 17? See https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6936#issuecomment-979713795

[rocky nest]

dammit

only op can build
Sounds like vanilla spawn protection

[muted ether]

no because even in 1000 100 1000 they cant build

[rocky nest]

any message when they try to?

[dapper lotus]

spawn is very rarely at 0, 0

tell them to run out like a 100 blocks and try

[muted ether]

no, no messages

[dapper lotus]

theres nothing in aper afaik which prevents that outside of the vanilla spawn protection stuff

[muted ether]

if i just set spawn prot to 0

will it fix?

[dapper lotus]

yes

[rocky nest]

if that is the problem, yes

[muted ether]

ok imma try also on that github post for the fix for auto completion

[rocky nest]

if no plugins, shouldn't be anything that's stopping it

[muted ether]

he says use at start script or use more than 1 thread

how do i make my server use more than 1 thread

[feral spire]

If you are on panel that you can’t change, ask host

If you are hosting your own panel, set CPUcount x 100% on limits

IE if you have 8 cores you will do 800%

[jolly mortar]

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=ce8dc4a4822a4cda87bf9baeef49cc4e#timings

[amber mica]

timingcost: 275 - what CPU is this?

[snow merlin]

does view distance change performance as much as before? also is there a way to disable the fog that is at view distance level?(in 1.17. its at client render distance)

[rocky nest]

View distance is pre-1.18 no-tick-view-distance, so no it shouldn't have much affect. The important one's now simulation distance

[dapper lotus]

the fog is controlled by the client based on the servers vd

[amber mica]

the fog is client-side, and it annoys me as well. probably gonna have to wait for a mod to remove that (or optifine)

[dapper lotus]

I mean, there is a packet based "fix" for that

[rocky nest]

authme

[pure crest]

lol

[snow merlin]

so if i set it to like 32 the players are gonna see far without that much performance impact as opposed to 1.17? thats actually very cool

[snow merlin]

*server performance

[amber mica]

32 seems a bit too much tbh

[feral spire]

That will still fuck over anyone with bad network @snow merlin

Since the patch to respect client setting is not in yet

[snow merlin]

oh ok

[feral spire]

You can try later

Not wouldn’t be a good time rn

[snow merlin]

ok thanks

[jolly mortar]

TPS is falling, is it because of Authme?

[rocky nest]

Nope, but authme means offline mode, and piracy = bad

[jolly mortar]

And what about the TPS?

[amber mica]

CPU shitty

[feral spire]

You can enable online mode so no pirate will be wasting your server resources

[compact monolith]

Hi friends, there shouldnt be any issues with upgrading from a spigot 1.18 stable build to a paperMC experimental 1.18 build, right?

[little parrot]

having a slight issue on experimental builds for 1.18 - players can join the server and interact with objects for a bit, but after roughly 15 seconds or so, all object interactions don't work. doors will show as open but you can't go through them, can't open a chest, can't do anything like that. TPS remains at a solid 20, timings report has no issues. anyone had any similar issues? i've tried reverting back to build 19 (which was the previous build i was on before updating to 22) to no luck. nothing is popping up in the console that would be indicative of a problem. i've ruled the problem down to paper because when i switched back to the vanilla server jar to test, the problem completely went away. anyone had anything similar so far? no plugins on the server

[amber mica]

Spigot is as experimental as Paper, they just don't tell you that. So it should be fine

[rocky nest]

rapid: Can you test on spigot, see if it's reproducable there?

[little parrot]

will do

[compact monolith]

True, to rephrase: just generally switching from spigot to paper lol

[little parrot]

just so i know - spigot also separates world folders, correct?

[rocky nest]

I believe so, yes

[little parrot]

cooll

[amber mica]

yeah, just replace the spigot.jar with the paper.jar and you should be fine

[compact monolith]

Cool thanks!

[muted ether]

do u know where i set that in pterodactyl panel? XD

[fossil light]

I'm curious, what would that look like?

[dapper lotus]

fake the vd or something

[little parrot]

Not reproducing on Spigot

only on paper

[stuck mural]

im sure this has been answered but how is paper handling the new implementation of simulation distance?

[amber mica]

any plugins, especially packet-modifying ones like ProtocolLib/Anti cheats?
would be weird if its a plugin issue only on Paper, but you never know

[little parrot]

No plugins installed at all

On the topic of packet limits - i raised the packet limit by a ton because one of my friends has horrible internet and kept getting disconnected by the packet limiter

[amber mica]

Could you try it with the default limits? its just that you are the first one with this issue so far,so I kinda suspect its something in your setup

[little parrot]

I'll try

[rocky nest]

Yeah pulled up bstats, nearly 6k servers running build 22, given that there's no full-blown apocolypse here, must be something in your setup https://f.u11.io/zVBejc

[feral spire]

My staging server is live for 4 days now

No issues so far

[little parrot]

I just reverted to default .yml settings testing now on .22

[feral spire]

Oh he’s on newer build so idk

[rocky nest]

regardless it'd be as bad as before release in here if there was a major issue like that in the latest build

[peak pulsar]

which level.dat is relevant for nether - the one in world or world_nether folder?
🥺
and if the one in world_nether, which entry in level.dat - overworld or the_nether

[little parrot]

Yeah it was the packet limiter settings. Thanks guys

[amber mica]

the one in world_nether, but actually not sure about the second question. I would assume its the nether one, if it uses the world environment

[peak pulsar]

okay thanks! ill keem trying, even if its an early unstable paper version, with less custom dimension support :3

[amber mica]

tbh I don't think dimension support will get much better in the near future. but except for biome stuff most of it works fine for me

[peak pulsar]

good to know! at the moment iam running:
overworld (new 1.18 generated)
nether (imported from 1.17, other seed)
custom_overworld (imported as customDimension from 1.17, other seed)
custom_nether (imported as customDimension from 1.17, other seed)

some problems with bed/water in nether and sunrise in end, but may ill fix that with level.dat

[storm juniper]

Does anyone know how world upgrades work with a 1.17 world with a datapack that extends world past y=0?

[peak pulsar]

So, I've been doing some initial 1.18 stability testing on my raspberry pi (not on actual server hardware, since, you know, that's what my server runs on) and I'm having a lot of issues running where I didn't used to in 1.17. Most importantly, thread deaths & hanging. This is using Aikar's flags, tuned configs, and overclocking the raspberry pi to 2 GHz (should be well enough to run Minecraft ?). The server is also provided 1GB max ram (-Xmx). Anyways, my question is, has stuff changed in paper or were some patches thrown out that still need to be updates, or is 1.18 just really bloated in general?

[steel dagger]

running mc server software on a one-chip mini pc, with 1GB ram and a 2 GHz CPU does nit sound appropriate to me?! I wonder that this setup is alive at all

[rocky nest]

My money's on that just being a result of RasPi...

[storm juniper]

From my experience, RPI is not suited for this

[uncut oasis]

Love RasPi but not for this…

[amber mica]

that is not supported, neither by Mojang or Paper. as far as I know it worked for some people tho, just like with a normal world

[storm juniper]

Let me check what it does then

[amber mica]

just make sure you have backups.
if its not working, move the world up to y=0 with MCASelector first, then it should behave like a normal vanilla world

[olive nymph]

I get 1.18 paper is experimental but is there like any major problems?

[storm juniper]

have one rn

[olive nymph]

I want to update my survival server but I need to run coreprotect

[storm juniper]

oh i mean my world is at y=0 (at most parts)

new chunks however generated below y=0

[feral spire]

Yes

[rocky nest]

I mean there's no known major issues yet, but that doesn't mean there isn't any

[faint sky]

question: what is expertimental about 1.18?
Is world generation fine, but other small things could be buggy?

[olive nymph]

Ok

[faint sky]

or even world generation

[feral spire]

Check paper issue tracker

[faint sky]

I was trying to find that

[feral spire]

If you want to see the problem everyone has

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues

[faint sky]

Thank you

[storm juniper]

just tried to copy a "World" folder in the same dir as a "world" folder on a windows machine. Forgot windows is angry about that

[peak pulsar]

linux user moment

I do that all the time lol

[storm juniper]

yeah i use linux usually but it's inconvenient for certain games rn

server crashed due to the datapack

[peak pulsar]

can you use the experimenatal for up to 6 players?

[storm juniper]

well now to test what happens if i remove it, does stuff below y=0 get lost? does the server even launch?

[feral spire]

Datapack isn’t officially supported so you kinda on your own

[storm juniper]

Yep

[arctic oracle]

sure, SHOULD you? who knows

[amber mica]

I don't think stuff will get lost, but yeah who knows

[peak pulsar]

@arctic oracle what could go wrong?

[storm juniper]

java.lang.IllegalStateException: Invalid pool element found

[dapper lotus]

I mean

[arctic oracle]

random crashes... massive world corruption, who knows?

[dapper lotus]

That's literally 0 info

[storm juniper]

noone knwos rn

[weary ivy]

Is everything still experimental?

[storm juniper]

yeah it's not a crash anyways

oops forgot to turn off reply pings

[amber mica]

that could mean pretty much anything.
the datapack also will need updating, mojang changed a lot of things there

[rocky nest]

read the channel name

[dapper lotus]

But, I mean, based on like, past experience, that basically is just the exact same error spam we've been seeing for the past few releases, so, like...

[storm juniper]

wcgr

[peak pulsar]

okay so we better wait

[weary ivy]

I mean, on the downloads page. Everything there still experimental?

[rocky nest]

For 1.18, yes

[feral spire]

Do you read the big red banner?

[dapper lotus]

There are still patches to port

[weary ivy]

Ight

[amber mica]

1.17.1 is very stable tho

[dapper lotus]

builds mostly appear stable but this is still early days

[storm juniper]

well

result>

it did not regen below y 0

[lethal warren]

fwiw I have a server thats running 1.18 paper for 2 days now, no issues

Take backups.

[storm juniper]

actually i am doing this locally not on my actual server

i need to reextract the tar with my backup again and try stuff like

removing datapack, starting 1.17.1, then migrate to 1.18

Hm maybe i can artifically trigger the regen though, imma check the decomp

yeah regions OOB, need to write code to trigger the regen

[bold lark]

build 23 pog

[ebon flax]

whats the status on the 1.18 build so far?

[feral spire]

Same as before?

The banner will disappear once it’s stable

[ebon flax]

oh sorry didnt read up

[bold lark]

they just added an upstream something since spigot released their stable build

[ebon flax]

oh so spigot is stable?

[bold lark]

yeah i believe so

[ebon flax]

oh sweet

[arctic oracle]

spigot has released world corrupting builds as 'stable'

they are not stable

[feral spire]

[ebon flax]

lol

[bold lark]

well

officially stable

[oblique sable]

any chance that the experimental paper builds can cause villagers to despawn

[bold lark]

idk

[oblique sable]

since it just happened

[dapper lotus]

Spigot is not stable

[bold lark]

check the issues

[dapper lotus]

pretty sure that they still have a bug which will fuck up worlds on upgrade

[arctic oracle]

cat could tell you that paper is stable, even write it on the website, doesn't make it even remotely true

[steel furnace]

That's like saying fallout 76 was stable at launch

[ebon flax]

true

[rocky nest]

People are assuming spigot is stable because md in his infinite wisdom didn't say any warnings about it

[feral spire]

You can say it literally fallout

[dapper lotus]

paper generally appears to be stable at this point, but this is still early days and we often recommend waiting for a mojang .1

[steel furnace]

Might not come out this year

[dapper lotus]

this might be the first release in a while were a .1 ain't actually essential

[ebon flax]

fr?

[autumn comet]

!kick 296075215186952203 Change your name and pfp if you consider rejoining

[steel furnace]

• It's nearing the holidays

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Kicked Osama Bin Ballin#1234 (Change your name and pfp if you consider rejoining) [1 total infraction] -- NotMyFault#3732.

[bold lark]

bruh

[steel furnace]

So I don't think they're going to stress making a .1 rn

[bold lark]

k

[languid lodge]

dammm

[arctic oracle]

not really much to go in a .1 tbh

[steel furnace]

crafting recipe for bundles if it wasn't added already

[glad flower]

other than the fog fix that some people have been experiencing, I havent seen anything major otherwise

[bold lark]

also 1.17 is the first release to have only one sub version too i think right

[dapper lotus]

fog seems like it's an intentional thing

[arctic oracle]

bundles are quote 'not finished yet and disabled'

[glad flower]

It's tracked as a known issue on their bugtracker, at least

[feral spire]

archaeology anyone??? Anyone???

[amber mica]

I kinda expect some dupe issues with bundles when they eventually release

[storm juniper]

archnidology

[lethal warren]

Oh I thought fog was just because I wasnt using optifine

[bold lark]

naa they def patched that by now

[lethal warren]

Didnt realize it was an actual change

[peak pulsar]

how big is the performance gain with this new background thread thing in 1.18?

[feral spire]

They change it circular. Just use sodium + sodium extra to remove it

[glad flower]

re: fog https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-243216

[lethal warren]

Ill have to check into sodium, never used it

[dapper lotus]

I mean, that's open

there is literally 0 on there to say it's a bug

[arctic oracle]

sodium is a modern optifine replacement

[steel furnace]

1.0 had only one too

1.1 had no subversions

[bold lark]

k first one in a long time

[steel furnace]

But yes, since 1.1

[bold lark]

still pretty good considering the amount of stuff they are adding

[steel furnace]

1.3 was technically a prerelease for 1.3.1

[arctic oracle]

or yknow, the trainwreak that lead to 1.7.10

[glad flower]

Ah, reports from them contacting support mentioned it was a known issue, but it absolutely looks like it is lol. I think it's because of how they changed server distances (at least turning it up on ours "fixes" it)

[storm juniper]

-forceUpgrade seems to be doing its thing

[steel furnace]

so, 1.3.1 also only had one minor release

[storm juniper]

although...

[21:32:34 INFO]: [io.papermc.paper.world.ThreadedWorldUpgrader] 0.00% completed (0 / 1306624 chunks)...```

this is fine

[amber mica]

its not neccessary

[bold lark]

huh

[storm juniper]

is for my world due to a datapack

[amber mica]

you don't need to forceUpgrade. it even tends to break things

[feral spire]

Don’t force upgrade you will lose blending…

[storm juniper]

In my case i do since i used a datapack in 1.17 for MinY -64

[peak pulsar]

is this additional generation Y<0 for old imported dimensions?

[storm juniper]

Yeah i think that's cuz i had 1.17 c&c expansion pack and tried to use that world directly

[fallow brook]

Any issues with filling you think

[peak pulsar]

okay thanks! ill try that some time

[storm juniper]

If you use a y<0 datapack, you will need to use forceUpgrade it seems

[storm juniper]

else you shouldn't

[peak pulsar]

oh okay thanks for the pin

[storm juniper]

**to get old chunks with y<0 bedrock

[lilac kettle]

why?

[vague falcon]

oh god what have i done

[dapper lotus]

1. for the most part it's a waste of time

[rocky nest]

don't @

[arctic oracle]

it breaks blending

[steel furnace]

2. rip blending

[dapper lotus]

2. Mojangs data upgrades have been buggy before and they'll be buggy again, propagating that to the entire world blindly is just asking for issues

[lilac kettle]

[peak pulsar]

what to do if Y<0 blending dont start at additional "custom" dimension

[arctic oracle]

as in you have an extra dim that was not upgraded?

[vague falcon]

do not --forceUpgrade reasoning (in this essay I will...):

1. for the most part it's a waste of time
2. Mojangs data upgrades have been buggy before and they'll be buggy again, propagating that to the entire world blindly is just asking for issues
3. biome blending? consider it gone
4. rory will be disappointed

[vague falcon]

there we go

[storm juniper]

Note. --forceUpgrade does not work here

[peak pulsar]

this is my "setup" at the moment and the "custom overworld" has still bedrock at 0

[granite sparrow]

For Rory!

[storm juniper]

for extending below y=0

so yeah forceUpgrade is just bad

[arctic oracle]

thats because worlds with datapacks are completely unsupported

[storm juniper]

Yeah i need to find out where it adds the bedrock below y=0

then trigger it manually somehow

[steel furnace]

Completely normal Minecraft

[storm juniper]

yeah i didn't do shit on my 1.18 yet

[steel furnace]

You can do it manually with WorldEdit

[storm juniper]

yeah but i have 1.3 million chunks

[steel furnace]

FAWE?

Though FAWE may still die if its that big

[peak pulsar]

okay, i mean i have time, but would be interesting if one time there is a way to blend it afterwards

[storm juniper]

no 1.18 yet

[steel furnace]

Worldedit again, use a smooth brush and just smoothen the terrain. All Don

[amber mica]

WorldPainter is also nice for smoothing

[steel furnace]

*May not be like 1.18 blending but it's similar enough so it'll work if you don't wnana make a custom plugin for it

[peak pulsar]

i think it could be set in level.dat ... ill wait for https://misode.github.io/worldgen/ with their updates

[steel furnace]

would blending stretch a diamond vain? i'm curious lol

or if you just have a whole chunk of diamond blocks?!?!!1 [somehow on the border of a chunk]\

[gusty trench]

Well, could always try and see with some /setblocks

[steel furnace]

it realistically wouldn't be on an old/new chunkborder

[storm juniper]

flying machine

[normal pecan]

really happy with 1.18 performance so far

[peak pulsar]

should i install java 1.18 or stay on 1.17

[normal pecan]

depends

for me all my plugins have updated / are compatible now, but I'm probably gonna wait until paper gives out production ready releases to upgrade official server, as of now I'm only running it on the test one.

the work mojang has done in this update is a work of art though

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[turbid mirage]

what plugins do you use?

[normal pecan]

stuff along the lines of CMI, TAB, LuckPerms, etc.

some older ones as well but they still seem to be working

[peak pulsar]

i use dimensions plugin in combination with protocolLib, and java 17 .. i think i asked my qustion the wrong way 🙈 should i stay on java 17 or upfrade?

[dapper lotus]

java 17 is the latest release

[topaz scarab]

does the paper version auto update

[feral spire]

No

[topaz scarab]

alr

[tawdry spoke]

Build 22 seems to be pretty stable for me, anyone experiencing anything bad?

[crude hatch]

yeah, playing with 4-6 people on the 22. No problems so far. But yeah, still early game. No Redstone stuff or things like that

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[normal pecan]

im running it on a 7 year old world with no issues :)

[tawdry spoke]

Bro you better have a back up 😂😂

[normal pecan]

oh trust me, hundreds

[tawdry spoke]

Good🤣 I still couldn’t bring myself to do that

[normal pecan]

yeah i've got one backup locally of the untouched 1.17.1 world, and more externally on a nas

[shadow elbow]

better than 1.17?

[normal pecan]

depends

fps wise yea

[shadow elbow]

i usually wait around 2-3 months before updating

[tired whale]

Aside from the view distance issue, it’s been solid. But that’ll be fixed soon hopefully.

[shadow elbow]

to see server performance

[gusty trench]

The only thing I can see going bad is someone doing the same as me on accident (and it's easy not to do that, anyway): if you use a worldgen datapack, do not create a superflat world with Multiverse or something, that'll crash both the client and the server. Fix is to delete the newly created world folder. It's an issue with how vanilla handles different sets of biomes so that's more up to Mojang (and there was a crashy issue involving biomes in 1.16 too, so nothing too new)

[shadow elbow]

question for those who upgraded from 1.17

[normal pecan]

yea?

[shadow elbow]

does forceupgrade changes the y levels

like upgrade it

[dark wigeon]

dont do it

[normal pecan]

don't use forceupgrade

[dapper lotus]

do not use forceUpgrade

[shadow elbow]

rip

I have a earth map

but I’d have to redo y levels in worldpainter

idek if its possible yet

[earnest birch]

Paper and Leafs DFU reimpl will solve it.

[dapper lotus]

unless you used custom heights, it adds stuff below. 0 if it finds bedrock

[shadow elbow]

height is 255 rn

[dapper lotus]

which is the default vanilla height

if you created a normal height world it should be fine to just upgrade

[shadow elbow]

oh nice

so it would actually do negative y levels

[normal pecan]

yea

[vague falcon]

yep

[shadow elbow]

nicee

would take away the pain of redoing them in worldpainter

[vague falcon]

bedrock -> deepslate
air -> more air cus caves do be havin a lot of air

[shadow elbow]

life saver

[tired whale]

Would MCA selector work as well?

[amber mica]

WP doesn't even support negative y yet, and the dev tends to be quite slow with adding new features

[shadow elbow]

ye ikik

[topaz scarab]

'These builds are still experimental' does it mean that theres just some some exploits/bugs arent patched or does it mean itll literally break the server (example not load chunks)

[static coyote]

java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: net.minecraft.v1_18_R1.nbt.NBTTagCompound

Does anyone know the new NBT Classes for 1.18?🤨

[amber mica]

they can break the server

[topaz scarab]

damn

[dapper lotus]

the versioned packages where dropped

[tired whale]

Just keep backups.

[topaz scarab]

its a new smp xD

not even open yet, i was wondering if i should use paper rn

[tired whale]

I’d definitely wait

[normal pecan]

yall seen the minecart chest dupe? any news anywhere of a patch for it yet?

[gentle escarp]

How far away from a stable version are we? Are there still many known gamebreaking bugs or just some few?

[normal pecan]

i was tempted to just disable minecart chests etc for the time being

[topaz scarab]

mk, but if i install paper rn, can i update the paper version later without loosing anything like the world or player data?

[gentle escarp]

Yes

[feral linden]

the world can corrupt rn

[static coyote]

I checked the client mappings and got "net.minecraft.nbt.CompoundTag" but it still dont work

[amber mica]

yes. you should regularly update it anyways

[honest flare]

can anyone point me to that optimization guide from paper?

[dapper lotus]

You're not dealing with client mappings

[topaz scarab]

okay

[dapper lotus]

You're dealing with spigots names still.

[latent parrot]

if you can replicate the exploit on either 1.17.1 or the experimental 1.18 builds for paper, please report it in the #869651180698099732 channel

[amber mica]

-> https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/

[summer garnet]

WTF

THEY JUST SUDDENLY SPAWNED

is that normal?

[feral linden]

lmao new bug

[dapper lotus]

I mean, if that's the only viable place for them to spawn, yes

[neon shard]

Just want to say, grateful that the paper team are so active

[summer garnet]

creepers and skeletons do not spawn in the end

[dapper lotus]

vanilla is pretty darned active towards tryna meet the mob cap

[summer garnet]

creepers and skeletons do not spawn in the end

[feral linden]

it's in the end

[normal pecan]

[summer garnet]

spiders

[dapper lotus]

oh, oof

[summer garnet]

zombies

[amber mica]

cat not playing the game

[summer garnet]

that might be a bug

[neon shard]

might

[normal pecan]

do you only have paper installed

[gentle escarp]

:)?

[normal pecan]

or is anything else installed aswell

[neon shard]

.eta

[summer garnet]

my friend was just bridging and like 50 overworld mobs spawned behind him LMFAO

[neon shard]

oh it got disabled

[summer garnet]

in the end

[feral linden]

no eta

[neon shard]

there is no eta

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[neon shard]

oh

[peak pulsar]

not in this channel, use the slash command instead ^

[gentle escarp]

I literally did not ask for an eta ._.

[amber mica]

Any plugins installed? Might be a plugin messing with that

[static perch]

yes you did

[neon shard]

yes you did

[normal pecan]

you literally did?

[summer garnet]

if possible, can someone fix this soon lmaoo

[neon shard]

put in a report on github

[summer garnet]

bats as well

[normal pecan]

do you only have paper installed? or do you have other plugins aswell that might be causing an issue

[gentle escarp]

I asked how many bugs there are that are game breaking, that would consider new versions unstable...