wont be an issue if leaf is bringing no-tick back but meh
#❗-1-18-experimental
feral spire
fervent lynx
yeah, most people probably have dumb values set there from before no tick existed, but have relied on no tick being their render distance, so now that it's gone, congrats, your old configs have come to bite you lol
wind meadow
change it to default for using value from server.properties
real bolt
I am always hearing about no tick, what is no tick
pale cedar
change it to *default* for using value from server.properties
i have
feral spire
@real bolt its terrain view. No entity ticking.
real bolt
<@!145659064511102976> its terrain view. No entity ticking.
Oh ok
feral spire
simulation Distance is Mojang's "no-tick" in a sense but implemented differently. @real bolt
normal zephyr
chunk generation is 3x slower on my cpu (2288g 4 dedicated vcore)
- 30s to generate 4255 chunks on 1.17
- 1.31mn to generate 4255 chunks on 1.18
so now we must pregen all world now
on 1.16 I reset my nether everyday, and I don't pre-gen it, works well, will not be possible in 1.18 I think
feral spire
are you doing feature seed WarnD
normal zephyr
are you doing feature seed WarnD
no
lethal warren
chunk generation is 3x slower on my cpu (2288g 4 dedicated vcore)
- 30s to gener...
I've noticed really slow chunk gen too.
feral spire
ok then
normal zephyr
I wanted to try to be sure, even with all patch it will be at least 2x slower than before 😦
vapid prawn
Chunk gen is about 40% what it was on 1.17.1
This is not likely to get much better
It's generating like twice the stuff and in more complicated ways
feral spire
^ this is more aligned to my test but I have more cores than WarnD
vapid prawn
It's still 3x faster than vanilla
normal zephyr
I was not using dedicated machine, and I wasn't alone on the machine
feral spire
file size is about 20% more
normal zephyr
I'll try soon on my 5900x dedicated machine
feral spire
why aint you pregen on 5900x 
can transfer back
normal zephyr
why aint you pregen on 5900x <a:rieBigBrainThinking:816804646399246396> can tran...
I still didn't receive it 
lethal warren
I ran chunky on 2 5950 cores and it crashed my server. ymmv.
feral spire
normal zephyr
60 days to get it because of 2x1Tb nvme pci-4
lethal warren
Flying around really really fast even crashed it
vapid prawn
It may be possible for Leaf to figure out a way to solve some of the bottlenecks that make it not scale up to max out all 16 cores on your 5900x or whatever
sage glen
I'll try soon on my 5900x dedicated machine
Meanwhile me on a Raspberry Pi...
vapid prawn
But probably not, from looking at it the other day I'm pretty sure he was saying that would be really hard
I wouldn't count on it anyway
violet wing
Flying around really really fast even crashed it
somethings wrong with your server lol
feral spire
leaf has abandoned us anyway busy playing games 
normal zephyr
maybe 5950x can be good to pregen maps
vapid prawn
Yeah, that's your plugin doing dumb things
feral spire
@violet wing it was his plugin...
also please pregen with NO other plugin
that will be the fastest way and less fuckary
vapid prawn
Chunk generation barely has any impact on server tickrate unless you completely overwhelm your CPU and the OS can't schedule things often enough
lethal warren
It wasn't my plugin, I looked into it. The plugin was just spawning something in an ungenned region
lethal warren
thus causing it to generate
feral spire
McMMO 
lethal warren
and it does it like once an hour.
vapid prawn
Your plugin was like 121% of a normal tick or something
normal zephyr
waiting for yatopia to add multithreaded worldgen 
feral spire
wake up WarnD
vapid prawn
And you're the one having an unusual behavior
feral spire
its ugh,,, end of 2021
lethal warren
Your plugin was like 121% of a normal tick or something
If you dive into it you see that the plugin is just high for chunk generation again
All the plugin does it spawn a boss twice an hour,.
vapid prawn
So your plugin causes chunks to generate on the main thread and that's making the main thread slow?
fervent lynx
waiting for yatopia to add multithreaded worldgen <a:Scholar:712063534200258581>
congratulations - worldgen is already multithreaded! you got your wish!
lethal warren
So your plugin causes chunks to generate on the main thread and that's making th...
Well yes, I see your point
But its still chunk generation that is slow
normal zephyr
wake up WarnD
the idea behind the multithreaded worldgen was cool, but way too much compatibility issue, and once you resolve all issues, you are near paper performances 😦
amber mica
Your plugin also takes like 800ms to spawn that boss, so something is clearly wrong there
vapid prawn
Sure but only chunk generation that happens in a way you're not supposed to do it
And if Paper ever hardforked you won't be able to do anymore 😛
dense cove
You think this snapshot would be fine for a few friends running an smp?
Nothing major
normal zephyr
yes
lethal warren
I'll dive more into it, my plugin is 100% usiong paper too fyi, no spigot depend
dense cove
Ight
lethal warren
Gonna run some timings without loading new chunks and see if the plugins still high, maybe something I've missed there
sage glen
Meanwhile me on a Raspberry Pi...
but hey, it works!
I've played with view-distance=20 on 1.17 with no problems.
The only laggy moments were when flying elytra at full speed for +2500 meters...
normal zephyr
You think this snapshot would be fine for a few friends running an smp?
just run some backup sometimes, so if you get world issues, your friend won't cry because they lost everything *
hollow wind
anyone has experienced the magma blocks bug? if you die on magma blocks at respawn you'll be freezed
amber mica
Gonna run some timings without loading new chunks and see if the plugins still h...
Might be worth using Spark here, as it will show you exactly which method in your plugin is taking how long
lethal warren
Might be worth using Spark here, as it will show you exactly which method in you...
I'll look into spark then, The timings only show my plugin for SyncChunkLoad
Not sure why my plugin would cause so much chunk loading.
dark wigeon
lol
vapid prawn
boo, plugin doing getChunk or getBlock instead of the async versions 😛
Paper should just remove those APIs 😄
lethal warren
boo, plugin doing getChunk or getBlock instead of the async versions 😛
definitely no getChunks, maybe getBlock. I will look
amber mica
is it open source by any chance?
lethal warren
is it open source by any chance?
its private on GH just because its not really cohesive lol
feral spire
Malfrador once again providing free service!
lethal warren
I definitely have a few getBlocks, but not sure if they are what you are talking about
amber mica
I really should find a way to get paid at this point 
arctic oracle
intresting... my discord is frozen on this page, i can't leave but i can still type... window wont even move...
amber mica
I definitely have a few getBlocks, but not sure if they are what you are talking...
Definitely could be the issue, if the chunks those blocks are in are not loaded it will cause a sync load
fervent lynx
I definitely have a few getBlocks, but not sure if they are what you are talking...
if they're far enough away to not be within chunk loaded range, then it's going to sync load chunks which is going to lag (block) your server
clearly it's quite severe as it's crashing your server, meaning it's stalling it long enough to kill it
but we've now reached #paper-dev territory so I recommend hopping over there if you need dev help with your plugin
lethal warren
if they're far enough away to not be within chunk loaded range, then it's going ...
Likley amplified by the much slower than 1.17 chunk gen, but yes. Is there an async get block I can refactor to?
and this is crashing with flyspeed 10 not just normal usage
ie I'm forcing a crash by flying fast over unloaded areas to try and debug
amber mica
check if the chunk is loaded and if not, World#getChunkAtAsync which will give you a Future or a Consumer that you can use to run code when the chunk has finished loading
there is also getChunkAtAsyncUrgently if you are really impatient
lethal warren
check if the chunk is loaded and if not, World#getChunkAtAsync which will give y...
Gotcha, so no direct async method
white nimbus
sry guys. It is another question about the view distance.
Everytime the server restarts the viewdistance sets itselfs back to 5(in the spigot.yml and server.properties). So basically i cant change it 😅
vapid prawn
Nope, you have to get a chunk then the block, no helper for the block iirc
lethal warren
Guess I can make these getBlocks only run if the chunk is loaded
vapid prawn
Wouldn't be hard to add I think, you could make your own as a wrapper around getChunkAtAsync in like 4 lines
But you should also avoid getting individual blocks anyway, unless you really only need one block
lethal warren
Wouldn't be hard to add I think, you could make your own as a wrapper around get...
Yeah let me explore just overriding it with my own wrapper
vapid prawn
Otherwise you have to go through the chunk map every time to find the chunk again
fervent lynx
#paper-dev please
lethal warren
I guess doing like Chunk.isLoaded before getBlock
lethal warren
<#555462289851940864> please
Yeah strayed a bit off topic. Sorry
amber mica
sry guys. It is another question about the view distance.
Everytime the server ...
Did you stop the server before changing the settings? Sometimes it won't work if the server is running
Also there are some hosts that force a specific view-distance setting
arctic oracle
could be that thing about reducing render distance for performance? or was that a plugin?
white nimbus
Did you stop the server before changing the settings? Sometimes it won't work if...
Yeah i stop the server before and the last 2 years the host never forced a specific view-distance 😦
eager snow
lmao ty for this
static rapids
Any major bugs yet ?
vapid prawn
Yes
ember berry
I think those are reported in the exploit channel
vapid prawn
There have been a few crashes, at least one exploit (but it probably exists in like 1.8+), and there is a decent chance you can't upgrade your existing worlds to 1.18 (yet?)
static rapids
Exploit channel only allows you to send in bugs not view reported bugs
ember berry
they don't want them mass shared
vapid prawn
I guess that exploit has been in every version since beta 1.0 and 2b2t players probably don't consider it an exploit
static rapids
Yeah thats why I was asking trying to decide if I should launch my server using spigot until a more stable version comes out so just asking how stable the new release is so far
vapid prawn
spigot isn't going to be any more stable
peak pulsar
Spigot's release is also unstable, they just don't bother to tell you ^
vapid prawn
Except maybe the upgrading old worlds things, not sure if that is a vanilla thing, spigot thing, or paper thing
cunning tiger
Hi
vapid prawn
And it might even be several different issues, people are triggering it in different ways that don't seem to make sense
static rapids
Whats the exploit
timid ember
Generating chunk with elytras on 1.18 be like
vapid prawn
digital slate
server HW?
ember berry
yall generating chunks manually??
raw glen
What is your servers specs
vapid prawn
I watched Leaf generate 90 chunks per second with a solid 20 TPS (~7 mspt iirc)
raw glen
I'm running 20tps with a 3gb server with 5 players spamming elytra fireworks
with no optimisation yet
digital slate
I am prepared for 1.18 with 32GB ram, i7 7700 OC 5Ghz and 500GB SSD
ember berry
I watched Leaf generate 90 chunks per second with a solid 20 TPS (~7 mspt iirc)
wasnt that with starlight
raw glen
I am prepared for 1.18 with 32GB ram, i7 7700 OC 5Ghz and 500GB SSD
damn that's overkill
vapid prawn
The only ways I can think of that your TPS would drop like that are memory pressure, not enough CPU cores to keep up with chunk generation (it uses several), or a plugin causing sync chunk gen
ember berry
not quite sure how to run starlight and paper togehter
vapid prawn
Paper includes starlight
peak pulsar
damn that's overkill
not for world generation lmfao
vapid prawn
He was testing paper
ember berry
.. oh lmao
hasty grail
1 player with elytra will definitely drop TPS, even on our infra 2.
pre-gen your worlds!
vapid prawn
Right after he ported the starlight patch for 1.18
ember berry
I am getting 17-20 chunks per second with a sketchy plugin
vapid prawn
I think he also has a 5950X
raw glen
World gen uses the cpu right?
covert jolt
17-20 with a 2276g is pretty bad
raw glen
Are you self hosting?
real bolt
no idea why so slow
It's just inherently slow I think
vapid prawn
He was getting 30 cps on spigot (which should be basically the same as vanilla) which I think is basically only using one thread for generation, but using 16 threads it only went up to 90 cps
ember berry
maybe I need to enable multi-thread?
vapid prawn
iirc he said chunk gen on paper uses cores/2 threads for the thread pool
I think you have to use arcane command line options to turn it off
So you probably didn't do that
ember berry
I def did not lol
got that CLO on hand or could you point me in the right direction?
I can google lol
vapid prawn
No idea
It might have been something he just had in there for testing and not even exist in a release
fervent lynx
https://github.com/pop4959/Chunky/wiki/FAQ#can-i-make-chunks-generate-faster
we've covered every known method here, including the flag amaranth is talking about
timid ember
<https://github.com/pop4959/Chunky/wiki/FAQ#can-i-make-chunks-generate-faster>
...
At least 2gb? It use 2gb on start up 😐 and 2.5 when i join
vapid prawn
If you're already having tickrate issues that will probably make it worse
covert jolt
oh that flag does make a slight difference
getting a more consistent 60cps now on a 3700x
fervent lynx
yeah, that flag was a good find... didn't know about it until leaf mentioned it
vapid prawn
You have the worker threads for chunks, the ones for networking, the ones for the plugin scheduler, etc and then you have the main thread
If you set it to your number of CPU cores and it manages to make even decent use of them it's going to squeeze some of that stuff and make everything run worse
fervent lynx
yup, I certainly only recommend using it for pregen and not daily production environment lol
ember berry
so if a CPU has 6 cores and 12 threads.. I can still only use up to 12 threads physically but should really only use like 8
vapid prawn
Oh yeah if you're running with no players and just running chunky to pregen set it to 12 😄
vapid prawn
If you're trying to use this on a live server don't set it to anything or maybe even turn it down to like 4
covert jolt
hm it doesn't make the biggest difference
ember berry
yeah no players til stable
covert jolt
1:15 vs 1:06 seconds
vapid prawn
No there are bottlenecks in there, iirc the best leaf could get out of it was 2x faster
covert jolt
(4225 chunks, default /chunky start)
vapid prawn
From 1 thread to 16
static rapids
Yeah when I start a new world I always pregen the chunks save alot of lag when players get on and start moving
vapid prawn
It probably caps out around 4-8 threads
fervent lynx
using the flag actually makes a larger difference on lower thread CPUs because paper is more aggressive about limiting worldgen threads on low thread count CPUs, and world gen only scales up to a point with threads
stark nacelle
Oh, on the topic of gen, what's the likelihood of world gen doin something funky with the current paper 1.18 builds? Just curious about the stability
vapid prawn
I mean, it's possible
fervent lynx
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/patches/server/0783-Reduce-worldgen-thread-worker-count-for-low-core-cou.patch you can see leafs logic for the world gen thread limiting here (which that flag overrides)
vapid prawn
It's more likely it'll eat your world on upgrade than generate a new one badly
stark nacelle
that's what i was thinking. this would be a fresh world anyway
vapid prawn
<https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/patches/server/0783-Reduce-worldge...
Oh I swear when he was playing with this he said it was just cores / 2
He said it was hard to decide the right number to use though
I joked he should have done availableThreads - 1 😄
(that's the ForkJoinPool bug that makes tab complete break on single core setups)
ember berry
chunky seems to not start genning
vapid prawn
The fix was to change it to Math.max(availableThreads - 1, 1)
static rapids
spigot isn't going to be any more stable
According the apex hosting the spigot api has not had any corrupted worlds but the paper api has.
vapid prawn
So far it's only in Java 18 snapshot builds
Apex is probably talking about the upgrade thing
fervent lynx
According the apex hosting the spigot api has not had any corrupted worlds but t...
that makes no sense
vapid prawn
At this point I'm pretty sure it's leaf's dataupgrader stuff
amber mica
aren't the issues just the blending not working?
fervent lynx
blending isn't working with paper?
vapid prawn
No, some worlds (seems like it might be two different causes) fail to load at all
pure crest
so my players are experiencing a bug with revengers whenever one kills a player the server crashes once and a while anyone experiencing this
vapid prawn
They spew out a bunch of errors about legacy materials not being found and then a bunch of dataupgrader stacktraces
vapid prawn
So far it's been seen with worlds that use datapacks and worlds loaded via the API (like with multiverse)
Every time someone has reported it in here or #paper-help they've been told to try it with spigot and/or vanilla then file a bug report
ember berry
Anyone run into an issue on chunky via. paper 1.18 where the tasks are not starting?
vapid prawn
No one seems to have done so yet but one person confirmed the worlds loaded on vanilla 1.18 server
amber mica
blending isn't working with paper?
there have been some people here complaining about it, but it might be that they just didn't understand what is blended and what is not
vapid prawn
The blending I think is due to the use of forceUpgrade and that upgrade system marking the chunks in a way that makes the world gen later think no blending is needed
But that's just based on what I think I remember seeing on /r/minecraft and my own late night delusions, I think
fervent lynx
I'm actually not too sure what makes MC determine if blending is used or not, might be fun to look into
vapid prawn
I don't remember how much of that I actually heard and how much we guessed at and now I think was confirmed
pure crest
i restarted my world completely from 1.17.1 to 1.18 paper#10 and blending is working we also have datapacks enabled
amber mica
so my players are experiencing a bug with revengers whenever one kills a player ...
Haven't seen any reports of that so far. Make sure its not a plugin issue (e.g. try without plugins)
pure crest
migt just be people who forceupgrade
pure crest
Haven't seen any reports of that so far. Make sure its not a plugin issue (e.g. ...
ill have people test it it was bad on #15 i havent had an reports today when i updated to #20
which is good
vapid prawn
Ok, there were definitely things that could have caused it before I think #17
pure crest
ah ok
amber mica
there were some changes with items since then, so maybe related. but if it happens again, post a log, definitely seems serious
lethal warren
So the chunk load things is turning out to be a non issue. Its less and less noticeable the more chunks are generated. I have like 10 people only on 1.18-19 and 20TPS
fervent lynx
it's still an issue, it's less noticeable because now it's only sync loading instead of sync generating which is faster
but still sync loading, which is bad
vapid prawn
Yeah there was some item filtering that was triggering a later check looking for "invalid" items
lethal warren
Well, non issue for me. I'm flying around fine now
pure crest
btw the blending thing works fine with datapacks enabled vanilla and paper
lethal warren
I have a TODO list item for auditing my getBlocks based on player range
but for now I can relax
fervent lynx
yeah as long as you fix it eventually :P
lethal warren
Yep! I'm coded out from the past few days of prepping/migrating
that and actual coding for work
amber mica
I have that since a few months
pure crest
i think it only happens if you forceupgrade and then load new biome chunks possible reason if you read the patch notes for 1.18 they got rid of alot of biomes whic if they are migrating from 1.17.1 to 1.18 could break some world gen where old biomes use to be
compact karma
Im guessing the commands not being able to autocomplete is a known bug on #20?
half walrusBOT
Having issues with tab complete on java 17? See https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6936#issuecomment-979713795
peak pulsar
what a horrible day to have eyes
fervent lynx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KfS9UrU3VI
this video actually covers the blending system quite well and the fun things you can do with it
peak pulsar
@dense river could you deal w this @peak pulsar person
they sent a fucked up image and deleted it, i can dm u
real bolt
So the chunk load things is turning out to be a non issue. Its less and less not...
What are your specs?
peak pulsar
soz for ping
real bolt
2 Cores 5950x, 6GB ram
Wow, that might be good news for me then. Are you running anything out of the ordinary to make it smoother or no?
amber mica
tbf thats one of the best CPUs you can use for MC servers currently
ember berry
working! protocol lib was crapping out
vapid prawn
Yeah that number isn't right
lethal warren
Wow, that might be good news for me then. Are you running anything out of the or...
Nope, just paper. TONS of plugins though
so if you are vanilla itll prob be better
33 plugins to be exact on paper 1.18-19
real bolt
I see
lethal warren
Any other major bugs discovered since the 1.18-19?
Seems like paper only had 1 release today
so interpreting that to mean things are going well
amber mica
#6988 seems rather serious
lethal warren
ahh let me check the GH
real bolt
Maybe post a link here when you get to it
amber mica
violet wing
Yeah that number isn't right
processed is generic for loaded/generated so world is probably already partially generated
vague falcon
aand this is why we don't tell people to --forceUpgrade 😄
autumn comet
Paper discourages it since 1.13, why do people still believe in md's lies of it being mandatory
violet wing
it was never mandatory but has anyone checked how expensive it is to upgrade chunks in 1.18 from 1.17
cause there is quite a bit of new world gen negative
autumn comet
Yet every update md phrases it as being mandatory again
violet wing
yeah well the way the upgrade process works is it always steps through each upgrade step anyway
afaik
so upgrading one version at a time, etc, is totally unnecessary, it does that for you
amber mica
it seems like forceUpgrade shifted the entire world on the y axis
(from the example file in the issue)
violet wing
lol
grave charm
Is this paper-specific?
strange umbra
it seems like forceUpgrade shifted the entire world on the y axis
b r u h xd
lethal warren
Is there some detriment to NOT using force-upgrade?
vapid prawn
On paper not much
lethal warren
I've completely ignored it
amber mica
I hope they have backups because the builds in that world are really awesome
peak pulsar
Is this paper-specific?
Run --forceupgrade to 1.18 from a 1.17.1 map , latest Paper and Spigot tested as well
lethal warren
and my world is working great
vapid prawn
Most/all of the upgrade process happens on the chunk io threads, I think
grave charm
> > Run --forceupgrade to 1.18 from a 1.17.1 map , latest Paper and Spigot teste...
oh ok. what I get for reading on mobile
vapid prawn
And the bits that don't leaf rewrote so they aren't overengineered PL wankery that takes forever to run unless you write it in haskell
grave charm
has someone tried on vanilla?
amber mica
gonna try that now
vapid prawn
monads are monoids in the category of endofunctors
If you understand that sentence you can understand DFU 😄
grave charm
so if it happens on spigot, problem is probably in the WorldUpgrader. but if it affects both the WorldUpgrader and Paper's ThreadedWorldUpgrader that should hopefully narrow it down
amber mica
hmm
same issue on vanilla
well. It never was the issue described on GH, all the blocks below 32 are there
its just that the entire world seems moved down by 32 blocks
outer nacelle
what are the steps to update Paper from 1.17.1 to 1.18 ?
gusty trench
Step 3. Redo step 1 as often as you can because things are still experimental
outer nacelle
okey thanks
lethal warren
step 4 fix all your broken plugins
unless you dont have any, then f you 😦
I recompiled so many plugins to get them working in 1.18
glass pilot
amber mica
they said its a custom world, so I honestly not sure if the water level being at y=20 isn't intentional
grave charm
ok, turns out I've got no idea how to load that world in the issue into a vanilla server
amber mica
changing level-name in the server.properties to "Tundra" works for me
fickle fossil
Wait, what's the difference between forceupgrade and just letting the worlds upgrade automatically? I thought when you loaded 1.18 it auto upgraded your worlds
peak pulsar
Force upgrade breaks the chunk blending
peak pulsar
Yeah
fickle fossil
what would be the benefit of forceupgrade
autumn comet
There is none
fickle fossil
lmao
why even have it
here's something you can run that can break your worlds: there is no benefit
amber mica
there is a benefit on spigot, it makes loading chunks for the first time less slow. wouldn't say fast because spigot is always slow
cold quail
How optimized is the new paper release, roughly speaking?
amber mica
some important optimisation patches are still missing as far as I know
cold quail
Ok, thanks
fickle fossil
so realistically what is the worst thing that could go wrong using them on a production server lol
amber mica
you could get a corrupted or deleted world or playerdata. but you should have regular backups anyway, no matter if experimental builds or not
amber mica
that guide is outdated tho
pure crest
still works xD for the most part
people still use it even though its for 1.16.5 it especially helps if you dont have a high end server or are experiencing specific types of lag
mossy sun
so structure blocks practically destroy the game. loading in a BLANK 48 x 48 x 48 has the server like pause all redstone ticks for over 35 seconds. i cant even switch into spectator, but i can still move and destroy things. i know it says its not a bug but pretty sure its from it being experimental
vivid ironBOT
so structure blocks practically destroy the game. loading in a BLANK 48 x 48 x 4...
message.txt by @mossy sun: https://paste.gg/b5aa325ff4ab40a9a397b55dd9773b62
dark wigeon
your version is half of what it should be
in any case that looks like a bunch of redstone trying to update
cold quail
https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization%E2%9A%A1.283181/
Well I was mostly wondering how glitchy the new paper release was, but thank you. That is very helpful!
pure crest
oh to me personally i took a vote witg the people on my server to restart a whole server they all agreed and ever seince i got past #15 its been great 😄
mossy sun
your version is half of what it should be
i updated this yesterday
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
grave charm
especially at the start, Paper releases updates very quickly
Update to build 20 and then see if you can reproduce the issue
feral spire
especially when machine breaks stuff. New one builds quick 
mossy sun
it's day 1, you have been out of date for basically the lifetime of the update
ooooof. well they had expiremental out last week
feral spire
Wannna keep checking update daily if you can
polar quarry
https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization%E2%9A%A1.283181/
that worked for things like 1.15, try this
https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/
empty glacier
1 chunk render distance. Fixes everything! lol
Some of those guides tho just flat out break mechanics since they are more geared towards optimizing over gameplay
Like one I read advised a view distance of 4. That is game breaking on survival
dark wigeon
i wouldn't say game-breaking
strange umbra
that worked for things like 1.15, try this
https://eternity.community/index.php/...
I really like the part about mob despawn range ;)
empty glacier
If your playerbase is survival based and they like farms it basically is
dark wigeon
i'd say everything is a trade-off
manic widget
i like to set the servers at 6-8
dark wigeon
obviously having a higher vd is better for players that want to make farms, but as your server gets bigger too many chunks will be problematic
feral spire
Some of those guides tho just flat out break mechanics since they are more geare...
yeah the guide here aim to teach people what each of them do... some optimizatation guide just tell you to turn everything to super low ammount (ofcoz it wont lag coz you just turn everything close to zero)
strange umbra
All players want to do on my server is build big machines and farms and everytime they say are you sure im allowed to build x i just say yes before they even explain it. And ive never one had someone complain about the ticking distance of 6.
I have a tick of 6 and a no tick of 10-12
empty glacier
yeah the guide here aim to teach people what each of them do... some optimizatat...
It's like when Apple brags about iPhone battery life... when you turn off every feature they brag about having lmao
strange umbra
lul
feral spire
my car got 42 MPG on our testing! (an empty car tested on closed road on the most ideal condition)
echo timber
some of the larger farms need some very creative design for their storage systems if you have a low tick distance
empty glacier
Any show stopper bugs known so far in paper 1.18? Work sucks I can't keep up with it lol
strange umbra
I disagree with this recommendation though
Effectively default turning off a vanilla feature
feral spire
yeah coz it does look up that could crash server
just search "treasure map" in #paper-help channel
strange umbra
Maybe if you have 100 players all going treasure hunting xd
feral spire
actually all it take is 1 if mojang go brrrrrrrrrr
empty glacier
So the recommendation is have that true or false?
feral spire
I stand behind my recommendation which is true on that one but it's really up to you
fervent lynx
why cant they find it async like /locate
it should be fine in 1.18 now, they've marked the treasure map lag as fixed on the mojira and all testing seems to indicate that it's solved
strange umbra
Mines false for the 5 people who will ever use a treasure map in 6 months
empty glacier
lol
strange umbra
it should be fine in 1.18 now, they've marked the treasure map lag as fixed on t...
:)
feral spire
@fervent lynx oh really? I will change this on the 1.18 only guide 
strange umbra
<@!220060515337109504> oh really? I will change this on the 1.18 only guide <a:H...
;)
feral spire
nice
strange umbra
Idk if you wanted to add a part highighting that renting servers often give them to you in power saving mode lmao
Both OVH and Hetzner do
Scammed
feral spire
I'd imagine if one is using dedi, that's on their part to check.
empty glacier
All the plugins I don't use anymore are updating on spigot. F for the ones I actually use
feral spire
I trust people who own dedicated machine to have enough of knowledge to check that tbf
strange umbra
My first ever experience with linux was a minecraft server. And by off chance one person told me to check and it was in power safe
save. Then time to time when i brought it up in airplane discord 8/10 they were also in power save
feral spire
that says more about MC server owner than anything else
strange umbra
The command to check if it is in powersave is ass
And otherwise there is no reason to believe it would be
empty glacier
Well tbf most owners are just average people not highly technical
strange umbra
As i said my first time on linux was starting a MC server
empty glacier
Half the people "running" servers don't even know how to navigate folders in windows
Lol
empty glacier
"I press my finger on the screen but nothing happens"
silent locust
tbh genuingly 80% of server owners are likely young teens
probably using like minehut or something
probably never even heard of Linux
ornate thunder
I keep on getting kicked from this server?
silent locust
I keep on getting kicked from this server?
ya know it might help if we get logs/kick message or anything
ornate thunder
I posted two gifs here of doggos and got kicked:(
very racist:(
#justiceforAndrew
fathom sky
I posted two gifs here of doggos and got kicked:(
That’s your fault
ornate thunder
how
fervent lynx
this channel isn't for that type of stuff
silent locust
lets not get into a fight here
ornate thunder
where can post my doggos
ornate thunder
ok:(
fathom sky
where can post my doggos
#gifs-and-memes
ornate thunder
come over there pls
silent locust
anything in the logs?
ornate thunder
so i won't be lolnly
silent locust
o i am idiot, u mean papermc discord, not a mc server
dapper lotus
The kick mesages literally show up in the channel you're kicked from, and the bot does try to send you a message.
If you didn't keep acting like a child and being an annoyance, you wouldn't get kicked, that simple, really.
modern lintel
Imagine being annoying and getting kicked
tired whale
Is there no view distance option in the new paper.yml? I can't seem to increase the server view distance for whatever reason.
dark wigeon
not in 1.18 yet, but you can use vanilla's simulation-distance in server.properties
tired whale
Ah gotcha, thank you
fickle fossil
If I have a floating islands world on my server on 1.17.1 and I update to 1.18, what's going to happen to it? Since they deprecated those
covert jolt
try it and see
gentle carbon
not 100% sure if this is a me thing or not, but when i try to build paper on my CI server it just gives this error everytime, it's using java 17 (adoptium) and everything looks right, it just fails at the end of the applyPatches task. It works locally, just not on the CI server for some reason
https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/0a0c337b57ef45cab25de27b7955a5d0
oops wait didnt copy correctly, gimme a sec
timber ridge
TNT handling is surprisingly good in 1.18
gentle carbon
actually it might be that because it seems to crash and restart everytime it reaches there
lavish sand
Agent is running under JRE: 11.0.12+7-LTS
Might not be using java 17 aswell
But gradle downloads java 17 for you, so that's not really a problem
gentle carbon
didnt have any swap space either, so adding that then trying again
gentle carbon
> Agent is running under JRE: 11.0.12+7-LTS
Might not be using java 17 aswell
B...
added it as a env variable
outer orchid
since there was a talk about cps before. performance is on point i guess. maybe the server isnt meant for minecraft 
https://0x0.st/-hBT.png
gentle carbon
thats just what teamcity uses by default
slow stratus
i just downloaded the 1.18 thing and tried to open it but nothing happend. can someone help me out?
outer orchid
what exactly did you try
feral spire
let me guess. you dont have java 17 @slow stratus
slow stratus
i dont know what that is
slow stratus
yes i am
feral spire
windows?
slow stratus
windows 10
slow stratus
ok thanks!
solid goblet
gentle carbon
i just realized i was also running the CI off of a 16gb sata usb drive, so switched to an actual hard drive too, this is what i get for running a server on a dell wyse thin client ig
static rapids
Any really bad bugs yet?
acoustic burrow
tribal stag
<@!341260341780676620> https://eternity.community/index.php/minecraft-self-hosti...
Bad guide. no unregistered bandicam, notepad, or mention of logmein hamachi
feral spire
it is suppose to be a quick and easy and barebone thing coz I know many would want to run server for 1.18 when it first come out
dapper lotus
I mean, you know it's high quality of of the rie chan brand mark on it
feral spire
gonna put more paper chan so kneny wont read it 
took me like 10 minute to write up the guide and another 60 minutes to cut all those damn screenshots
outer orchid
worst part of guide sure is that it just lasered my eyes in the middle of the night
zealous idol
wordpress is a mistake for many more reasons than that
tribal stag
I love light mode if the entire world has dark mode our eyes will go dim
slow stratus
<@!341260341780676620> https://eternity.community/index.php/minecraft-self-hosti...
is it fine that my java download is diffrent?
feral spire
it should be close to what the screenshot would be
covert jolt
the java_home doesn't matter that much
slow stratus
ok
outer orchid
iirc zulu also doesnt ask
feral spire
alright I will do that in a bit. The lesser steps the better
acoustic burrow
slow stratus
so i have all of this but when i open the .bat file it does not open anything
outer orchid
yeah, pause is good
dapper lotus
eula.txt
outer orchid
also its quite sure just eula
dapper lotus
I mean, thats where am placing my bets right this second
slow stratus
dapper lotus
well, do what we said
slow stratus
i dont know what you mean by pause
slow stratus
ok
dapper lotus
at the very bottom on a new line
feral spire
@slow stratus your RAM 2500 is missing M its 2500M
feral spire
@lapis parrot where is my input checker 
^
lapis parrot
<@!271510274475819008> where is my input checker <:poutrie:784411967107891230> ...
I am super busy with studying for finals!!
PR? 
feral spire
oh ok I wait 
I am too dum
feral spire
I am super busy with studying for finals!!
good luck on final you and @rustic sapphire 
strange umbra
I have a programming test tomorrow smh
Soemtimes i forget im at University
And by sometimes i mean every day
bold bramble
gotta love how college finals coincide with 1.18 release
strange umbra
lul
pure crest
I have a programming test tomorrow smh
what kind of programming you doing?
frail cove
I downloaded the 1.18 #16 Build yesterday and was running that if I wanted to change to the new #20 Build would I just replace the current .jar with the most recent and that is it?
frail cove
gotcha thanks
strange umbra
what kind of programming you doing?
Atm its general python. Though we had a project to create a chat bot
Next year is c++ 
pure crest
nice i took java in collage and i just self taught myself c# the last year and a half lol
wish i could get ahold of c++
brain cant do it
peak pulsar
have you tried Rust?
lofty rover
rust was surprisingly nice (but u gotta get used to the borrow checker which can be a pita sometimes)
tranquil torrent
for the ones that have used the expermental builds, how is the exp?
feral spire
every edgy
strange umbra
for the ones that have used the expermental builds, how is the exp?
Fine
MUCH better than 1.17 early builds lol
lethal warren
for the ones that have used the expermental builds, how is the exp?
I have 10 on rn, no issues 33 plugins
long edge
seed and coordinates?
covert jolt
timings would be useful too
just a single screnshot of an issue doesn't exactly help
long edge
oh wait, I just zoomed in on the image, only saw the thumbnail on my phone
that's not paper causing that
rich citrus
rlly?
covert jolt
do you have plugins
rich citrus
what is it?
long edge
I mean I guess it's possible, but super super super super unlikely for that
tranquil torrent
I have 10 on rn, no issues 33 plugins
public server right?
covert jolt
are you not the administrator for that server
rich citrus
no im not
feral spire
what are those dropper doing in that sea
covert jolt
then we can't do anything
rich citrus
IDFK
long edge
yeah contact the server administrator
covert jolt
papermc works fine
long edge
no
covert jolt
from what we know, no
feral spire
99.999% not
rich citrus
ok i will contact them
lethal warren
public server right?
yes
tranquil torrent
okay that good
lethal warren
Keep meticulous backups, not technically stable yet
arctic oracle
mileage varies sadly stability isn't a quantifiable number
no world corruption for me at least yet
static rapids
Thats good
peak pulsar
I can tell that creation of dimensions is a bit problematic with current 1.18 paper, if you want to insert your old 1.17 maps and some custom dimension's. Dimension type stuff like water in nether or sun in end . I think thats normal at such an early moment and unstable version. Thank you for your work guys, thats my feedback at the moment - okay one last point, your version is better in worldgen because in Vanilla 1.18 my end portal was melted with an ore .. in your version it was geberated perfect. Thanks! - greetings Leo
dapper lotus
paper and vanilla literally share the same worlgen code
So, like, any differences there would be down to the magic of seeds
peak pulsar
Crazy xd
dapper lotus
maybe a few internal oddities, but, gen stuff is vanilla
peak pulsar
Its the same seed, in vanilla end potal is crap
dapper lotus
Not heard of any issues with the creation of a new world, but, upgrading stuff in vanilla when you have data which mojang explictly said would not support upgrades is generally gonna have issues
peak pulsar
If anyone want to try, seed is 6841401455424705842
peak pulsar
Uh interesting could be it thanks
outer orchid
are these good? 
https://0x0.st/-hBD.png
feral spire
anything below 50 mspt is good.
polar quarry
yea
outer orchid
okay, so ima keep the 21 simulations distance 
polar quarry
bruh
feral spire
okay, so ima keep the 21 simulations distance <:umu:794322120166866984>
view distance. keep simulation at 10
outer orchid
view is at 25 
polar quarry
outer orchid
simulation of 10 is too small for large stuff
polar quarry
are you doing nothing in the world?
peak pulsar
How are you doing eith migration of your old dimensions
feral spire
there is no situation where I think you need more than 10 simulation..
outer orchid
feral spire
unless you are building SCI craft world eater?
cedar marsh
What is the difference between view and simulation distance?
dapper lotus
view is view
outer orchid
i acutally often had problems of projects failing because of breaking redstone thats too far
dapper lotus
simuation is where stuff happens
cedar marsh
Thanks!
arctic oracle
data from a server running with one user for 18h for anyone who cares about it
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=3ff9c60922be4c46b53b17c7e245f6e7
feral spire
its not bad if you dont haev anything
the main issues people come here to report is usually plugin related tbf
muted widget
(or asking for an ETA when it is clearly posted saying there is no ETA, people need to read!)
arctic oracle
(or asking for an ETA when it is clearly posted saying there is no ETA, people n...
hah reading? thats not a skill the modern man has
stray gazelle
How buggy is the experimental r n?
wraith vault
/rta
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
latent axle
In about three fifty
peak pulsar
data from a server running with one user for 18h for anyone who cares about it
<...
is this pregenned?
coarse gull
Anyone know what this could be? https://bin.birdflop.com/uwurijifud.rb
Plopped a 1.17 voidworld into a 1.18 server and imported it with /mv import and now it's giving me this every 5 minutes or so in a few different chunks all far away from where anyone is
Im thinking I might just have to create a new 1.18 voidworld and then worldedit the region back in?
arctic oracle
is this pregenned?
yes
dapper lotus
was you using a datapack with custom biomes, etc?
peak pulsar
pregenned 8.5k running pufferfish
dapper lotus
We don't care about random timings from random servers especially servers not even using our software
feral spire
this is Paper Discord so please use paper
idle wagon
ETA🐸📟
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
jaunty onyx
are these good? <:mikuStare:484063576265457689>
https://0x0.st/-hBD.png
How do you check this? Which command?
outer orchid
used tabtps plugin
timid wolf
recommended server minimum ram for 1.18?
arctic oracle
recommended server minimum ram for 1.18?
for how many people
timid wolf
just a few
loud juniper
acoustic burrow
Server ran for 12 hours without a crash on #16
With 2-5 people, 13 plugins
6G ram
feral spire
post error on crash.
arctic oracle
i think he is trying to say that it didn't
acoustic burrow
Anyone running on version 21?
outer orchid
yeah, tested a bit
dapper lotus
there is no ETAs towards one
sly jolt
okay
long edge
The versions that are out now work fine, they won't break your world or anything or crash
dapper lotus
nobody is compalining about shit blowing up right now but 🤷♂️
long edge
They are just incomplete mostly
long edge
Whatever the latest build is
native hornet
I will take sulu's word as I should run it in production, thank you
peak pulsar
how long until the stable 1.18 release :)
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
dark wigeon
at least 3, last i heard
ornate narwhal
a piece of string is yay long
fossil path
at least 3, last i heard
I thought it was 4 or even 5?
dark wigeon
nah sulu said that, can't trust sulu
bronze linden
6 now
restive sierra
just tested it a little... achievments don't show in the menu
sick hearth
No Yatopia moment has happened yet, so that's good
fossil light
I got back onto my server and all my advancements had been cleared
it hasn't happened to any of my other players yet
but not sure if it's something on my end or something else
on 1.18-18 right now
restive ocean
That's new since 1.18
It comes mostly from Mojang
@past plover
@fossil light then install a backup, that you 100% did because paper 1.18 is unstable
past plover
Ohh i see
fossil light
alrighty
static rapids
Any major crash reports
brave drift
Any major crash reports
personally, haven't experienced any. one user did report playerdata loss, but it was caused by a change of username in offline mode
static rapids
Was gonna say this experimental version seems pretty stable TBH
rotund tendon
I saw a while ago someone posted some optimization guides for the 1.18 configs, does someone have a link to that? or any other guides for best settings to try out?
rotund tendon
https://eternity.community/index.php/paper-optimization/
I think that was the one thanks 🙂
feral spire
everything still generally applies aside from name isnt final coz patch isnt fully in 1.18 yet @rotund tendon
You can ignore the treasure map one coz apparently fixed by Mojang
wheat spoke
I copied my server to a local world, MCA edited deleted a whole bunch of unbuilt on chunks with MCA editor and i'm flying around in singleplayer seeing how the generation deals with it.
Honestly, super damn impressed, hard to tell where the old chunks end and the new ones begin.
thorny nymph
paper is working with my server which is 1.18 🙂
acoustic burrow
How do I get the paper chan gif
feral spire
https://auri.gay/top-secret @acoustic burrow
gusty trench
How are you doing eith migration of your old dimensions
I'm not doing that, it's unsupported
wicked sandal
my plugin doesn´t function with paper 1.18
peak pulsar
1.18 needs java 17. Does 1.16.5 MC paper also support java 17?
dapper lotus
yes
peak pulsar
Kk ty
languid lodge
Whats the difference between java 17 and 16
dapper lotus
1
wicked sandal
Whats the difference between java 17 and 16
java 17 is new java 16 is old
languid lodge
shit sherlock
No like is there any like cool new thingy I can use or is it just bug fixes
upper gale
my plugin doesn´t function with paper 1.18
yeah 1.18 fucked most of the plugins
wicked sandal
yeah 1.18 fucked most of the plugins
when its functioned
sorry for my english i´m german
upper gale
you mean when will they function?
if yes its hard to tell right now but probably a few days
wicked sandal
you mean when will they function?
if yes its hard to tell right now but probably...
ok i have time
wicked sandal
you mean when will they function?
if yes its hard to tell right now but probably...
can someone ping me when they will function?
dapper lotus
I mean
plugins work fine
if your plugin isn't working, you'd probs need to provide logs or something
But, it's on plugin authors to update their stuff
outer pivot
can someone ping me when they will function?
nobody can tell you that. here's what you can do:
- check regularly for when paper builds are out of the experimental phase
- test your plugins
- fix broken plugins
- ???
- ancient meme reference
severe hare
your latest log would help
clever orbit
how unstable are 1.18 builds?
severe hare
check you have the latest version of openjdk17
upper gale
how unstable are 1.18 builds?
i don't really have any problems
upper gale
idk for others tho
clever orbit
No crashes?
upper gale
No crashes?
nope
clever orbit
I assume "unstable" is it will crash every like 10 minutes
upper gale
at least for me
severe hare
paper loads just fine.
clever orbit
ok cool ty
languid shuttle
paper loads just fine.
so container issue?
and does arm has some issue
or does it have smth to do
because guy told he is changing processors for expreimental purposes
clever orbit
and does arm has some issue
yes
running jvm on arm is pain
brace yourself and proceed with caution
it can cause brain damage
languid shuttle
so its arm afteall
severe hare
🤷 I have no arm chips to test that.
severe hare
can you run vanilla and spigot 1.18?
severe hare
on arm?
severe hare
what are you trying to run paper on
dapper lotus
ptero already has a java 17 image
languid shuttle
what are you trying to run paper on
arm processor, the man didnt tell me the name of it
e
wheat spoke
I also can't get paper-1.18-21 to load at all, thought it was something on my end
dark nymph
:U
dark nymph
If youre interested there should be a öink in abt me
languid shuttle
i clicked that ;-;
dark nymph
We dont have promos currently :(
wheat spoke
ah, issue was on my end, i still had an old version of java installed so it didn't try to load up as java 17
polar quarry
hey this isnt a marketplace, i suggest not advertising ur host
frank maple
is it paper 1.18 stable?
wheat spoke
Damn I love how 1.18 hides terrain generation borders
hot topaz
Hey! The RAM is filling up really quickly when I am flying in the world. I filled up 8GB RAM in 10 minutes
spare trail
probably not an issue unless you're running out of memory to the point of crashes or other issues
austere flicker
Could someone pass me a link to chunky for 1.18? I can't seem to find it 🤨
heady kindle
wheat spoke
is chunkmaster bettre than chunky?
peak pulsar
doesnt chunky just work on 1.17?
wheat spoke
I used the most recent chunky I had on 1.18 fine
peak pulsar
Oops 1.18
austere flicker
Down to use either, just need some form of decent pregen 😄
proper fjord
I am running it with 20 players and CPU sat comfortably at 60 percent and ram around 8 gig with around 40 plugins and had 0 issues in the day and a half it has been up - credits to the devs
wheat spoke
chunky 1.2.153 should be fine
hot topaz
probably not an issue unless you're running out of memory to the point of crashe...
it crashed...
polar quarry
it crashed...
do u have a view distance of 40 or wtf is happening. 8gb is plenty for you to fly around
hot topaz
do u have a view distance of 40 or wtf is happening. 8gb is plenty for you to fl...
32
polar quarry
that seems strange
ive had render distances that high before and it didnt take up that much ram
post timings?
ill run a server to check if thats normal
hot topaz
I cannot as it crashed
polar quarry
well uwu ✨ ~ run it again
strange compass
Who run the server with 32 view distance? 12 should be enough
polar quarry
yeah but it shouldnt crash with 8gb of ram and a single player, right?
hot topaz
Who run the server with 32 view distance? 12 should be enough
for performance testing
strange compass
What plugins did u use?
hot topaz
now it use 1.5GB
polar quarry
post timings?
pls
hot topaz
but when I load more and more chunks, it fills the RAM
I am just trying to reproduce it
strange compass
timings might be better so we can help u
hot topaz
to have some values in timings
vivid bluff
Don't forget how GC works.
hot topaz
just checking gc
polar quarry
when i set it to 32, i think i don't actually get 32 chunks
polar quarry
how to turn off fog?
hot topaz
Optifine
polar quarry
absolute cancer
austere flicker
I used the most recent chunky I had on 1.18 fine
Did you chance any settings for chunky to run or did it just work? It just crashed for me
polar quarry
downloading sodium rn
wheat spoke
It was also taking up around 8GB when I was flying around at 32 distance. I assumed the extra ram usage was due to world genning or something.
No plugins
I didn't change any Chunky Settings, i just told it to run world gen
acoustic burrow
32 distance on a server sounds more like a bandwidth issue to me lol
polar quarry
bandwidth wouldnt crash it
acoustic burrow
Surely that’s like 10M upload per player
wheat spoke
I should note that my server is on a 24 core system with 64gb of ram so I don't really come across hardware problems
nah, its only like 100kb
polar quarry
oh hey i have half of that
im using 1107 mb of ram on a server with 32 view distance and just me standing there
acoustic burrow
That’s low? I feel like paper needs at least 2G just to run
wheat spoke
With all of my plugins and no one currently on my server (1.17) i'm idling at 2.4gb right now.
dynmap is a huge ram hog though
wheat spoke
Yeah, that'll be why you're at 8gb
hot topaz
it allocated 6gb now
polar quarry
i dont go above 3945 mb of ram when flying in spectator with 32 view distance
hot topaz
I fly with elytra
polar quarry
is that slower
wheat spoke
much faster
hot topaz
wheat spoke
Anyway, i'm off to bed, best of luck
hot topaz
gn
polar quarry
is this graph useful?
hot topaz
ye I had the same
wheat spoke
is it stuttering when you're playing?
polar quarry
its fine
dapper lotus
I mean, it's showing that you're having a somewhat stupidly high allocation rate
but, for MC, that ain't always too far from the norm
polar quarry
it had frozen and paper said "do not report - this is not a bug or crash" blah blah
this is the first time im seeing 1.18 terrain
its a lot smoother now
curvier?
wheat spoke
yeah, i think once its done regenning things will smooth out.
hot topaz
thats why I set it to 32 
now I crashed it
okay actually
i crashed it 3 times when I was generating ocean
its totally frozen
dont think that it will unfreeze
wheat spoke
I think you need to allocate more ram then
polar quarry
i spawned in an ocean-y world and its fine
hot topaz
thats the thing
polar quarry
i never went over 6gb of ram
hot topaz
i never went over 6gb of ram
me too actually
last RAM usage I saw was 5.6GB
and then it crashed
still didnt unfreeze btw
polar quarry
i gave it 2gb of ram and now its not loading anything lmao
polar quarry
hey its running better with 4 gb of ram
this is dumb
worldgen is stupid slow compared to old versions
prime cedar
well, old versions had old worldgen
polar quarry
- installs 1.8 *
man
i don't actually remember the last version i enjoyed
i think it was 1.2.5
anyways i cant reproduce your issue
i can fly just fine without crashing the server
it did freeze briefly but it hasnt crashed
regal anvil
I have been running the experimental builds for a while now and didn't have any crashes, running a small server with friends and the world file already exceeded 4GB Storage (6GB RAM total in server memory)
drifting ridge
8GB is already kinda a lot ngl
My last server only 3 player and it used my 12gb of ram
polar quarry
something is very wrong with cow legs at x=20.000.300...
thorny charm
My last server only 3 player and it used my 12gb of ram
somethings wrong there, not optimised maybe? I can host 10 people on 6gb lag free
regal anvil
^
The server allocates the ram so it appears as if its using it all
But infact its not
strange compass
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=454a077869a04500954a6799d5e39bee
Try use aikar flags
inner crypt
It might even be using it to avoid doing GC
polar quarry
doesnt essentials have a command to check memory usage?
like, not total heap size or allocated ram
lethal orbit
Is there any benifit to setting start and max GB the same as opposed to vor instance 10 GB start and 14 max?
drifting ridge
somethings wrong there, not optimised maybe? I can host 10 people on 6gb lag fre...
I'm using lastest paper though. Not to mention I even hosted on a linux server
polar quarry
Is there any benifit to setting start and max GB the same as opposed to vor inst...
benefits yea something something Xmx=Xms microoptimization your operating system allocation make sure you have enough something
regal anvil
I'm using lastest paper though. Not to mention I even hosted on a linux server
That's weird, I am also hosting a server with 6GB ram with friends only and didn't have any lag issues yet
drifting ridge
I gave it 16gb for allocation ... maybe it was the cause ?
regal anvil
Did you maybe set the view distance too high on the server properties
regal anvil
Mine is at 12 too so it shouldn't be the issue
polar quarry
12 is fine with that much ram
gusty trench
There's no need to worry about memory usage if you're not crashing
polar quarry
good stuff
drifting ridge
so if your are using 6gb without lag, is there any benefit for me to set it to 16gb (even 6gb is sufficient enough) ?
gusty trench
No benefit
drifting ridge
Thank you
lethal orbit
benefits yea something something Xmx=Xms microoptimization your operating system...
so only the fact that you are sure the max GB is abvailable?
polar quarry
look, im sorry about not typing out a proper english sentence but if you do the same thing we won't be able to communicate lmao
could you rephrase that?
valid niche
it seems like setting the vanilla worldborder in the nether doesnt work, has anyone else experienced that?
it just sets the worldborder in the overworld, even when in the nether
that is not vanilla behaviour
peak pulsar
Vanilla changed something iirc
dapper lotus
that is vanilla behavior in 1.18
dapper lotus
I mean, that's part of CB
CB makes stuff like that per dimension
in vanilla, it's all one level, basically, but CB changes that as part of their world stuff
In the past, vanilla just got the current dimension, now it explictly grabs it from the overworld
polar quarry
do you guys have any plans to change behaviour such as that one with a future hard fork?
valid niche
oh right, it seems to set it in both worlds in singleplayer, my bad
dapper lotus
in the past it got the current dimension
and so it worked, now vanilla explictly grabs the overworld
valid niche
how would i set the worldborder in the nether now? is there something in the api
dapper lotus
API, yea
weary storm
so if your are using 6gb without lag, is there any benefit for me to set it to 1...
Only if the situation changes drastically, i.e. a lot more players doing a lot more stuff
wicked sandal
My server still says starting, but you can already join. Why doesn't it say running?
dense river
Your server says neither Starting nor running, that is your hoster. Ask them^^
wicked sandal
Your server says neither Starting nor running, that is your hoster. Ask them^^
No the Server says starting
half walrusBOT
lavish field
1.18 out?
For paper
potent quail
Any clue why maven couldn't access com.mojang.serialization.Codec when its imported in the World class? To be fair I can't even find it when going into the jar
experimental only
dense river
1.18 out?
For paper
see #announcements
lavish field
Thnx
wicked sandal
On my Server DiscordSRV doesn´t function
autumn comet
That has nothing to do with 1.18 or this channel, ask on their server.
boreal apex
On my Server DiscordSRV doesn´t function
Mine does
raw glen
Again, wrong channel
dusty swift
Just a warning Those who are using the free Heads plugin from Spigot, it crashes the main thread of papers experimental 1.18 servers