❗-1-18-experimental

[hexed panther]

still dont get it

@long edge mind giving me a quick explanation of it

[outer orchid]

When i see the refresh in screenshot.
Thats about the chest thing, right?
Im not sure what exactly it does.
Does it refill generated (and not destroyed) chests, so that other people can loot them as well later?
Is that a nice thing for vanilla survival or should i stay away from that?

[outer orchid]

And yeah, the link doesnt tell me much as well for this

[quick glacier]

Ram usage before and after Paper. Love to see it.

[hexed panther]

kinda bad but ok

[peak pulsar]

^^

[hexed panther]

unless ur on a test server

thats locally hosted

[peak pulsar]

your xms and xmx should be the same

[hexed panther]

but still

[quick glacier]

Vanilla was just maxing out whatever I gave to xmx and xms

It's on a homelab

local server

[peak pulsar]

it should

unless you mean out of memory crashes

[frozen spear]

that's exaclty what they are supposed to
unused allocated ram is wasted ram

[terse hamlet]

people like to think the server using the ram you assigned it as "maxing it out" when it's literally not even the case

ram & cpu graphs are fake news

[quick glacier]

I'd love extra performance tips if you guys have resources. I'm pretty new to minecraft admin stuff, but I'm pretty comfortable on the command line

[hexed panther]

server ram should have xms and msm the same.

[cedar forum]

from what I understand, it probably has something to do with paper ignoring blocks that aren't being rendered. The definitions aren't super clear.

[terse hamlet]

.optimize

[quick glacier]

They are the same. Is the graph indicating to you otherwise?

[hexed panther]

yh cos is its not flat

what ur ram graph should look like

[quick glacier]

I've passed -Xmx6144M -Xms6144M

[hexed panther]

welp no diea then

maybe small first?

not that would do anything

yh that dont make sense to me

whats occluding?

[long edge]

unless you have redstone that has broken because of that specific check, you can leave it default

[quick glacier]

I think the spikes are the downtime when I was doing configuration.

[vivid iron]

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[hexed panther]

oh

so bascially if a chest has a block abvoe it

[long edge]

hoppers, but, close enough. You get the idea

[hexed panther]

no i dont

so if a hopper has a block above it, it doesnt check what?

i still dotn get what this setting does

i thought it was when a chest had a block above it, the hopper couldnt pull items out

but thats vanilla

[plain solstice]

I guess It doesn't check for items to pickup

[outer orchid]

Uh, do hoppers check every block normally? Even blocks without inventory?

[hexed panther]

thats default paper tho wasnt it?

vanilla wise u put composters on top

cos it performs different hopper check

as its looking for bonemeal out not items

[strange umbra]

Chunk gen on a dedicated 5950x

[hexed panther]

ew

gotta be hitting 100 mark

[strange umbra]

1.18 things

[vapid prawn]

From what I've seen it's about 3x faster than vanilla/spigot/etc but it's still less than half the speed of 1.17.1

[strange umbra]

I assume having no starlight doesnt help

[vapid prawn]

Oh you're doing it on a fabric server?

[hexed panther]

ew

paper ftw

or purpur

[strange umbra]

No...

[vapid prawn]

Paper has starlight

[strange umbra]

Paper doesnt have starlight yet

I thought it didnt

[vapid prawn]

I watched Leaf copy/paste the mixins in to normal code then benchmark chunk generation

That's where I got my numbers from 😛

[strange umbra]

So there is no hope for faster chunk gen

F

[hidden cargo]

how many chunks is that lol

[vapid prawn]

iirc you can increase the number of threads the pool for chunk gen uses

[hexed panther]

whats wrong with 130+

[vapid prawn]

But I think going from 1 thread to 16 threads only doubled the speed

[waxen spire]

Iirc hoppers have a setting to reduce the time its checking for items. Also the setting is probably there to disable hopper trying to process blocks that are not being put into the hopper?

[muted widget]

How big are you generating

[strange umbra]

Radius of 30k

60k x 60k

[waxen spire]

Like maybe its there to just say "if hopper cannot put this block away just ignore it for now"

[vapid prawn]

That map is just dumb 😛

[dusky bloom]

Does anyone have guess of how long it will take to make 1.18 paper Stable, i know there isnt ETA, but some guess.

[hexed panther]

takes me 24 hours ish for that

[hidden cargo]

did you do a radius of 130k?..

[waxen spire]

2-3 weeks+

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[hexed panther]

2 years

[vapid prawn]

Unless you have like 200 players on all the time and plan to keep the map for a year or more

[waxen spire]

Thing is stuff is uncertain

[strange umbra]

Well i have the storage space. And its a hermit craft like server so want people to have much free choice

[hexed panther]

how u hitting such low chunk gen speed

[strange umbra]

Because you are generating like 2 chunks in total

[vague musk]

How has the performance been? I'm wondering if it's a good idea to update my smp or not

[hexed panther]

no thats the ending of my generation

[waxen spire]

I wouldn't update it yet

[hexed panther]

it jumps between 110 and 140

[waxen spire]

These are just beta/test releases

[vague musk]

Yeah

[hexed panther]

dont use

[vague musk]

I havent been able to do any tests

[waxen spire]

Ppl use them to see if their plugins are compatible + find bugs in preparation for big releases

[hexed panther]

yh 4 of my plugins broke

cos of stupid nms

[vague musk]

Yep i updated my plugins last night

[strange umbra]

I stopped another process and now its around 90

[vague musk]

Oh rip

I hate nms

[vapid prawn]

90 is what Leaf was getting on similar hardware

[waxen spire]

Your server is more stable on its current release

[vapid prawn]

Even when telling it to use all his cores

[vague musk]

Yeah for sure

[hexed panther]

i get average 120 cps with i9 9900k

[strange umbra]

I call cap

[hexed panther]

u all doing something wrong

chunky right?

[vapid prawn]

It depends on what you're generating, perhaps if leaf let it run long enough the overall average would have been higher

For the 2 minutes he let it run to stabilize it was around 90

[hexed panther]

i generated 32x32k blocks

i had some drops to like 70 but i was sitting at around 100+

[vapid prawn]

You're telling me the guy who made chunk generation that fast to begin with and the developer of the chunky plugin working together did something wrong and you do it better? 😄

[strange umbra]

x d

Leaf Who?

it was sarcasm.

[hexed panther]

say what u want, i got the cps

[vapid prawn]

Perhaps for chunk generation Intel is better than AMD

[hexed panther]

faster per core speed maybe?

whats speed on ur cpu

ive always gone intel when it came to server related unless i needed alot of cores

[vapid prawn]

AMD is better in general these days, on single and multi, but it seems like Intel still has a slight lead on gaming benchmarks

[strange umbra]

5950x has the fastest single threaded core

[outer orchid]

Just get a lot of cores on intel then

[hexed panther]

maybe u got things running in the background idk

[vapid prawn]

Usually while using twice the power but still

I think leaf got 90 inside a VM but for CPU work there isn't much overhead from a VM

[strange umbra]

Sure you werent pregenning 1.17 xd

[vapid prawn]

1.17 would be more like 230 😛

[hexed panther]

1.18

[strange umbra]

I used the first paper build but nothing in the change logs seems to have any relation to chunks

[hexed panther]

im on 19 build

idk

[tawdry spoke]

Where is the 1.18 link? I can’t seem to find it

[hexed panther]

anyone know if viabackwards fucks up the simulation distance

[vapid prawn]

Why would it touch it?

[hexed panther]

dw

[wise vine]

via doesnt mess with the server, it just translates for the clients

[hexed panther]

had client side low

[vapid prawn]

Like, it needs some logic on older versions to send the no-tick-view-distance to the client as view-distance but it should never care about simulation-distance

[hexed panther]

cos distance on 1.18 client went for 10 simulation, 6 view. on 1.17 client it was only showing 7

then relised i had my client one lower

so my mistake

[vapid prawn]

Well you can't have the simulation lower than view

[hexed panther]

it wasnt

what

[vapid prawn]

Hmm, or can you?

[hexed panther]

u can but it dont do anything

[dusky bloom]

do you think is good create SMP on experimental Paper 😄

[vapid prawn]

On the client simulation is just ignored

[hexed panther]

wait

simulation needs to be lower right?

or am i capping

[outer orchid]

at least i will do

[hexed panther]

dont

[vapid prawn]

But view-distance in 1.18 is no-tick-view-distance in 1.17 and simulation-distance in 1.18 is view-distance in 1.17

[next owl]

ffffff

[vapid prawn]

So view-distance should be higher or the same

[wise vine]

the wording is dumb is all

[hexed panther]

i got it wrong way roun

ah lol

[strange umbra]

[next owl]

many plugins i use dont work on 1.18 and their creator is not active

[vapid prawn]

Paper has really dumb names for this stuff

The vanilla ones make way more sense

[next owl]

F

[wise vine]

time to find alternatives or start coding 😄

[hexed panther]

paper easier

[vapid prawn]

But if you're used to the Paper ones the vanilla ones are confusing

[hexed panther]

no tick made sense

the chunks that dont tick

simple

[next owl]

sad but that ir rollback is sooooo good i cant find anything better that works

[stark pagoda]

im used to the paper one but it seems to make sense now

[vapid prawn]

But why does view have to mean tick?

[hexed panther]

so to be right.

i got my simulation distance to 6
view distance to 10

thats correct. so the 4 chunks after 6 are non ticking

am i right

[wise vine]

view is vision, simulation is processed, makes sense to me

[vapid prawn]

It just happened to do so but then when paper separated them they didn't make view just be view, they added a new thing with a weird name

[wise vine]

if everything before 1.18 didnt exist it;d be fine

[hexed panther]

so im correct right?

[wise vine]

yea

[hexed panther]

ok good

[strange umbra]

Updated to latest build 90-94 cps :P

[outer orchid]

Where do you see that?

[strange umbra]

See what?

[outer orchid]

Cps

[wise vine]

chunky or other world filler output i'd assume

[outer orchid]

Ah ok

[rapid sparrow]

is the per player cap overwritten by the paper config?

mob cap

[hexed panther]

yes

[verbal sand]

wait shout i have my view distance 4 higher than simulation

[hexed panther]

told ya

[hexed panther]

whatever u want. 😄

[coarse gull]

Yes. I personally do 5

[verbal sand]

5 view distance?

[vapid prawn]

view distance doesn't have to be higher than simulation distance

[outer orchid]

The same or higher. I would put them close because simulated is more worth for me. Like for farms etc. Just see far is kinda useless

[vapid prawn]

If you want it higher how much higher is up to you

[hexed panther]

cries

[wise vine]

creative/build servers... i can fianlly see my build from 1.8 all at once witrhout dynmap or killing the server

[torn temple]

TAB is updated on 3.0.0 for 1.18

[vapid prawn]

higher view distance should only cost memory and network but there is some CPU time to figure out what to send and how and then the network threads have to compress it and such so you can't just make it 32 or something

[hexed panther]

tab swepp. thx

sweet*

i dont wanna get masks working

im too scared

[vapid prawn]

simulation at 4-6 and view at 8-16 seem like good ranges to me

[outer orchid]

Well okay. I have smp here

[torn temple]

Can send you the updated plugins in dm?

[hexed panther]

dont use paper 1.18 on server that will have players on

[hexed panther]

ill download from online

[wise vine]

that the joy of the game isnt it? we can all use things differently. 👍

but yea, i cant see view being 16+ being helpful to SMP really

[dusk briar]

Is there any ETA for when Paper 1.18 becomes relatively stable?

[hexed panther]

2 months

6 days

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[hexed panther]

10 hours

[outer orchid]

atm 25 view and 21 simulated.
Simulated below 10 is even less than default

[hexed panther]

have with 14 tps

[torn temple]

question, the simulation distance lower than view distance can cause problems?

[vapid prawn]

Simulated below 10 is less than default but no one leaves it at default unless they're running a server for them and their kids or a couple friends from school or something

[hexed panther]

no just no point

[dusk briar]

No

[drowsy epoch]

😋 No ETA. Historically (I know this has no bearing on 1.18) were stable releases roughly a week behind vanilla?

[dusk briar]

they're completely seperate as of 1.18

[outer orchid]

Huh why?

[turbid jasper]

What about simulated higher than view? How would that behave?

[wise vine]

note this is a 21 chunk RADIUS, so your players are loading ~1800 ticking chunks

[vapid prawn]

If there was no point no-tick wouldn't have been so popular and simulation-distance wouldn't exist

[hexed panther]

what

[vapid prawn]

Simulation lower than view is expected

[outer orchid]

I know.
I always used at least 15 with old majong server versions

[hexed panther]

my no point was respond to this message

not urs

[vapid prawn]

View lower than simulation I think just doesn't do anything, I suspect simulation is Math.min(simulation, view)

[wise vine]

more power to you my dude, if it runs it runs, but short of massive redstone projects or enderporters i cant see why an SMP player needs to load something >300 blocks away

[vapid prawn]

So if you have view 4 and simulation 6 you really have simulation 4 I bet

View 6 simulation 4 makes sense though

[outer orchid]

Or it ticks 6 but only sends 4

I mean. It can still calculate server side

[vapid prawn]

I doubt it though, the point was to reduce how much is ticked

But it might

I can't think of a reason you'd ever want that, in any case

[hexed panther]

which one does everyone use

[brave raptor]

Someone with this?

[vapid prawn]

Sending the player the chunk is the cheap part

[waxen spire]

Uhh cps?

[peak pulsar]

temurin

[outer orchid]

High end server, garbage internet

[peak pulsar]

wrong channel tho

#paper-dev

[hexed panther]

chunks pe second

[wise vine]

chuks generated per second using a world fill plugin like chunky

[waxen spire]

Alright just making sure

[hexed panther]

but its 1.18 relevant

[torn temple]

What you think abount GraalVM?

[peak pulsar]

fellow arch user

B) ||/s||

[hexed panther]

i always go for amazon one idk why

[rough plume]

AC has a few minor optimizations that can be removed to bring down the number of code modifications. The optimization related to the block modifications you mentioned can help in some edge cases but will mostly have little effect. Without that optimization AC is just as "bolt-on" as RWTurbo ^^
AC also takes some 'shortcuts' when setting the power levels that might have to be adjusted to accommodate for any of paper's events related to block state changes

[vapid prawn]

Graal seems to only make sense if you're giving Oracle money

Oh wow it's the mod dev, hi!

[outer orchid]

we are running zulu on server and clients

[waxen spire]

Zulu is alright

[hexed panther]

idek at this point. never had issues with amazon one so i just stick with ti

[waxen spire]

It doesn't rly matter much

[rough plume]

heyo o/

[waxen spire]

It kinda just provides a small difference ig

[vapid prawn]

I can't say for sure anyone is really caring about the number of block change events they get for redstone wire but maybe

[peak pulsar]

Vanilla or are you using mods?

[tawdry spoke]

Will there be an @ everyone when 1.18 is finished?

[hexed panther]

no

[tawdry spoke]

How will we find out?

[vapid prawn]

Whenever I had a plugin that cared about them at all I just cared about if they hit certain thresholds (usually just 0 or 15)

[hexed panther]

check?

[wise vine]

there is no "finished", only moving on to 1.19

[waxen spire]

^^

Just link announcements channel to your own server

[tawdry spoke]

Ahh ok thank you

[wise vine]

they said they'll put an announcement when they feel 1.18 is stable though

[waxen spire]

Mhm

They might @everyone or might npt

[lethal orbit]

stable, there is a nice word 🙂

[tawdry spoke]

Ok thank you 😁

[wise vine]

just set the announcement channel to notify all for you

no need for an @

[acoustic burrow]

Is #19 better than #16

[vapid prawn]

In general yes, newer is better

[lethal orbit]

depends on what you are looking for ^^

[peak pulsar]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/7596e7528341495bb1e28798b3af7e83

1.18 when loading a custom dimension shits da bed

[gusty trench]

Yep

[vapid prawn]

Yeah that's a tricky one

Vanilla and Spigot data fixers are so slow and you'd have to fly around the whole world to trigger it

But the Paper one (and possibly the Spigot one too, not sure where the error comes from) seems to be broken

I mean, it seems pretty obvious it's a Leaf bug but maybe he just copy/pasted that bit from MC, I don't think his project is a from scratch rewrite it was just easier to do it as a fully separate thing instead of as patch files

[strange umbra]

Damn. Worlds look much more curvy to me. what do you guys think?

[static junco]

build 14 be like

[uneven pagoda]

Someone have schematic or structure of paper logo in pinned messages? Want to paste it into our server's spawn

[remote otter]

Looking kinda thicc

[strange umbra]

guh

[hot topaz]

what sizes

[strange umbra]

Nah im rendering pl3xmap so it was 3cps xd

[vapid prawn]

Minecraft Earth

30km radius, right?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[strange umbra]

What was that for lol

[vapid prawn]

I guess that's not quite earth, it has a surface area 180,000 times what you're generating

Just a little smaller 😛

[strange umbra]

The full 30 million Minecraft is bigger than earth i think

[vapid prawn]

Well yeah

That's almost 6 times larger than earth I think

[strange umbra]

Not enough smh

Minecraft is no longer infinite

Shit game

[clever delta]

never has been

Pretty sure it's bigger now than when farlands were a thing

[calm cypress]

IDK if I should ask this here, but can you update https://server.properties/ ?

[boreal apex]

Why is it a link lol

[calm cypress]

Because it's an actual website

[merry scaffold]

I can ask the owner to do that.

[calm cypress]

With the server.properties on it

[warm ravine]

I use that site from time to time

[uneven pagoda]

Like if u don't know that even ur server settings file has a own website

[lethal orbit]

Lol, the remark at the bottom!

[fathom lion]

why this always shows

[autumn comet]

One line below it tells you which legacy plugin is affected

[fathom lion]

Legacy plugin LoginSecurity v3.0.2 does not specify an api-version.

what this means

[covert jolt]

online-mode=true

[fathom lion]

false

[autumn comet]

That means, that named plugin does not have an api version set, as it tells you. Report it to its author.

[fathom lion]

what is api version

[autumn comet]

Nothing you have to worry about, but the plugin author does.

[lethal orbit]

Just wondering, what criteria would be used to considder a release "stable"

[quasi pivot]

Correct

[lethal warren]

Noticing crashes pretty easily while loading 1.17 chunks, not sure if thats a paper thing or just the nature of the new gen

[gusty trench]

No major known issues for a while

[grave charm]

have you pasted a log file here?

[peak pulsar]

do i open the issue in paper or dataconverter

[lethal warren]

Not yet, let me grab it

[grave charm]

for loading a custom dimension? is it paper-specific? like what happens if you try and load it on spigot

[gusty trench]

Are custom dimension upgrades from 1.17 to 1.18 even supported in vanilla, though? Iirc they aren't

[covert jolt]

if you used the datapack in 1.17 you can't upgrade to 1.18

[hidden cargo]

is build 19 stable?

[covert jolt]

"experimental"

[grave charm]

oh I didnt know that. but if thats your situation, then yeah

[hidden cargo]

got it

not prod ready lol

[peak pulsar]

the datapack is upgraded

so it works 1.18

its a datafixer issue afaik

[grave charm]

are you talking about the datapack mojang released for the larger world height, or any world gen datapack

[covert jolt]

the mojang datapack for the new caves in 1.17

they explictly mentioned not being able to upgrade to 1.18 iirc

[grave charm]

what datapack are you talking about then?

[covert jolt]

Upgrading to the Part 2 release (1.18) will not be supported for worlds that use the Caves & Cliffs Prototype Data Pack.

[grave charm]

ok. now I'm wondering if thats specific to that datapack, or any world created with a custom world gen datapack can't be upgraded to a later version

[peak pulsar]

i will open paper issue including dl link

[vapid prawn]

Did you try it on vanilla and/or spigot?

[grave charm]

yeah, that's gonna be the very first question

which is why I mentioned it here https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/914372738179825664/915655481517834270

[vapid prawn]

The error message points to leaf code but like I said that might be code that is from Mojang to begin with or works the same way as Mojang's and is failing because this just isn't supported

You need to try on at least spigot, ideally vanilla too

[torn temple]

The plugin don't specify an bukkit api version in the plugin.yml, it's not an arror, but a warning, nothing to fear

[plush heath]

Hey! I've just encountered an error using 1.18-11 experimental paper. While it isn't the most recent patch, should I still report the error somewhere?

[peak pulsar]

depends on the error

[polar quarry]

show error

[grave charm]

update

[plush heath]

Yes I plan to after classes today, just making sure this is a known issue (or already fixed)!

[grave charm]

yeah, already fixed

[plush heath]

Coolcool, ty. Will update soon.

[peak pulsar]

I’ll probably have to manually change the jar file in my server. Pebblehost has a Paper 1.18-latest option but doesn’t say what build it is, or give any prompt on if it updates every time the server restarts and there’s a new build

[covert jolt]

good

you shouldn't auto update

[quasi panther]

not when there's no easy rollback for things it could break anyway

[peak pulsar]

^

I’ve just been doing manual backups and it’s a pain

[polar quarry]

just set a cron job

avoids most manual work

[wide talon]

shockbyte has paper 1.18 - I didn't think it was anything but experimental still?

[grave charm]

it is

I hope hosts make that known somewhere

[polar quarry]

dont use it in your actual public server

[peak pulsar]

[polar quarry]

it'll break something

[wide talon]

yeah planning on pregenerating in fabric with some worldgen stuff anyway before switching to spigot / paper

[warm ravine]

if a host doesn't make it known it's experimental then yikes

[peak pulsar]

I’ve never been one to try out version of MC before plugins update to support it. So weird to basically have no support

yikers

[wide talon]

this is what SB has fwiw

[peak pulsar]

paperspigot

[quasi panther]

that's not even latest lol

[peak pulsar]

They probably give a little bit of time between updates so it doesn’t auto update and break immediately if a build goes wrong

At least I’d hope

[neon shard]

Yeah a ton of hosts are using the experimental builds for some reason

[polar quarry]

we build #20 now

[peak pulsar]

thonk

if that were the case it wouldnt be 1.18

[floral mural]

How are people generally getting on with 1.18. Any major issues ?

[strange umbra]

Slow chunk gen xd

[polar quarry]

hey quick question

is this ok

latest commit

[gusty trench]

Well, I'm having bad luck with an upstream bug, so currently I can't even get my server up and running as it immediately spits a couple megabytes of logs and shuts down -- some trouble with multi-world setups involving world gen datapacks, possibly

[quasi panther]

yeah that's a thonk

[vapid prawn]

MM kept telling me datapacks that did things with custom biomes are impossible to upgrade to 1.18

I think it was MM anyway

Like 1.18 adds a thing that might make doing updates for that possible in the future but that doesn't help with 1.17 worlds

[zealous idol]

mojang was pretty explicit that 1.17 worldgen datapacks wouldnt upgrade well to 1.18

[warm ravine]

I believe and I'm probably wrong, but I think the core issue is the datapack isn't updated to 1.18 so it doesn't load causing the server to be missing all the needed stuff. If the datapack is updated to 1.18 it might work since it has the needed stuff again. Not 100% sure

[vapid prawn]

It doesn't help that on top of that Spigot and Paper seem to break datapacks pretty regularly anyway 😄

[warm ravine]

Very true

[zealous idol]

nothing to do with CB here

this is true of vanilla too

[gusty trench]

(Not sure if that's referring to me or chuckycheese, but in my case I'm using a 1.18 datapack in a fresh world that works in vanilla)

[acoustic dagger]

Hello does someone knows why i can see like i would have 2 chunks view distance only on paper 1.18 ?

[boreal apex]

paper biome blending is still kinda broken in the newest 1.18 jar lol

[warm ravine]

nah that's vanilla fuckery

[boreal apex]

fr?

[warm ravine]

yuuup

[vapid prawn]

Paper shouldn't be doing anything to that, that's all vanilla afaik

[boreal apex]

oh bruh

[feral spire]

this is how mojang intended

[warm ravine]

It tries its best lol

[boreal apex]

lmao

[vapid prawn]

They weren't trying to make it perfect, just not have cliffs

[feral spire]

paper doesnt change anything

[warm ravine]

AntVenom made a nice video about how fucked it can be

[feral spire]

you can see it isnt a streight link

it is blended

[acoustic dagger]

Hello does someone knows why i can see like i would have 2 chunks view distance only on paper 1.18 ?

?

??

[quasi panther]

check client and server settings?

[acoustic dagger]

client is 32 chunks

[boreal apex]

jesus

[acoustic dagger]

and server-properties is 4

[feral spire]

server config

[quasi panther]

server separated view distance and simulation distance

[zealous idol]

lmao

[vapid prawn]

Right so your view-distance is 4 which means the client will render 3 chunks

[feral spire]

@acoustic dagger name is a bit confusing but look

[quasi panther]

and chunk #1 is the one you're in

[warm ravine]

Set view distance to like 10 and simulation distance to 4

[vapid prawn]

The 4th one is used for biome blending

[sharp hinge]

working as designed. hella better than before. not having cliffs is A++ - to be clear they never said they would "blend biomes", only "blend chunks".

[acoustic dagger]

oh thanks

[gusty trench]

Honestly? I think that's pretty good, I'm actually surprised they managed to pull it off as well as they did

[warm ravine]

Yeah I've seen waay worse blending

[steel furnace]

it looks better than WALL

or CLIFF

[sick hearth]

wait is that made in excel or something

[feral spire]

@sick hearth

quick and dirty paper chan graph

[steel furnace]

google sheets probably

[warm ravine]

Excel is the best photo creation software

[acoustic dagger]

sorry to to bother but what is max on these?

[warm ravine]

You know this

[grave charm]

yeah, the comment is referring to why the change is needed, not what the line directly below it is doing

[warm ravine]

32

[grave charm]

I needed a method to not set the default

[polar quarry]

yea i realized it made way more sense when i read the entire patch

[steel furnace]

4 quattordecilion and -2 [/s] probably 64 or 32

for each

[grave charm]

I dont remember saying this?

but if I did, I dont know why I would. I was trying to figure out the answer to this just a bit ago

[vapid prawn]

I guess it was cat then

[rotund valve]

Is it safe to run a survival minecraft server on paper 1.18? My server has loading issues with spigot.

[polar quarry]

it'll crash

[rotund valve]

why

[covert jolt]

try it and see

just make backups

[rotund valve]

I don't want to. if it crashes that hard.

[polar quarry]

just a wild guess

[rotund valve]

I know

LMFAO

[covert jolt]

i mean it's fairly stable from my own experience

[rotund valve]

But experimental can still be stable

[vapid prawn]

If you have a new world you might be okay, especially since if it dies you won't feel so bad about starting over

Seems a lot of people did custom worlds in 1.17 though and are now screwed

[rotund valve]

I generated a new world on vanilla 1.18

[vapid prawn]

Did you use a datapack?

[rotund valve]

No

[vapid prawn]

You might be okay then

Take backups and such though

[lethal warren]

So in paper 1.18-19 I am noticing crashes when generating a lot of chunks, no errors just "Can't Keep Up! Is ther Server overloaded? ...etc"

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[lethal warren]

Is this a paper thing or a minecraft 1.18 thing?

[stable adder]

Booo

[slate gorge]

Is no-tick view distance and 1.18's new view distance roughly the same idea? or is the no-tick even faster?

[polar quarry]

this might help explain

[vapid prawn]

Weird, generating chunks shouldn't slow down the server like that

[polar quarry]

very weak cpu??

[peak pulsar]

Paper’s version is better, same idea

[vapid prawn]

Unless you have enough async tasks going at once to starve the main thread at the OS level

[lethal warren]

This is a server that was 20TPS all times before 1.18

[slate gorge]

Thanks!

[peak pulsar]

Paper currently doesn’t have NTV yet, though

[lethal warren]

I'd never had an issue with chunk generation before 1.18

[vapid prawn]

Or if you're doing chunk generation synchronously for some reason

Like, are you using the latest chunky to do this generation?

Or just flying around?

Those should both be fine

[lethal warren]

No, I am flying

[peak pulsar]

🚨 LIGHT THEME 🚨

[feral spire]

use chunky @lethal warren

[lethal warren]

Just flying real fast can crash it

Chunky crashed it too.

[feral spire]

then its on your CPU

[lethal warren]

No error, just "cant keep up"

[slate gorge]

I'm waiting for the stable branch, but I saw it in the changelogs for 1.18 and instantly thought of the paper feature.

[feral spire]

give the watchdog a longer number

if your weak cpu cant handle it

that's really oldd though

my old i7 works just fine lol

[lethal warren]

the CPU is a Ryzen 5xxxx that never had an issue

[peak pulsar]

light theme and no compact mode, absolute menace

[feral spire]

well you have issue now

so that's not a vaild defense

[lethal warren]

Like i said, 1.17 I could never crash it doing chunky gens or flying

[feral spire]

you are on a test build

[vapid prawn]

When leaf was testing Chunky could do 90 chunks per second on his CPU while the mspt was like 7 still

[lethal warren]

even with 10 people on

[feral spire]

and you dont provide anymore infornation aside from " this doenst work now"

[lethal warren]

I understand its a test build, that is why I am reporting lol

[feral spire]

give us a timing then?

[peak pulsar]

1.17 ran fine for me on my ryzen 5xxx system

[lethal warren]

aikar?

[peak pulsar]

havent tried 1.18

[feral spire]

do /timings report while you are flying (just dont fly too fast)

[lethal warren]

I can give any info that is needed

[feral spire]

but flys and load new chunk

[lethal warren]

Just trying to help, not complain

I will get a report, one sec

[feral spire]

make sure you are flying! so it will give a better idea.

[polar quarry]

ideally come back like in 8 minutes and not immediately

[lethal warren]

I have a report, you are saying dont post it...?

[polar quarry]

timing reports are useless if they cover like one minute

thats why i suggested playing for 8 minutes

[ebon flax]

So me and my friends have a smp scheduled for Dec. 3rd that we do ever year for christmas break and want to run it in 1.18.
we want paper because we want to enable stuff like bedrock breaking and tnt duping, also we want paper's individual player mobcap. As far as i am aware we can switch to paper from spigot at any time right? so should i start the server on spigot and wait for a safe tested paper build to come out?

[peak pulsar]

Wtf is that username lmao

[lethal warren]

Ahhh ok

[feral spire]

2022 December? that will be fine

[ebon flax]

no like 2 days

[dense river]

Spigot is in the same state as Paper, they just don't say that out loud

[feral spire]

but I highly dobut it will be stable in 2 days.

[polar quarry]

spigot is just as fragile as paper rn

[ebon flax]

ohh okay

[polar quarry]

but yea you can switch between them

just dont expect either to be stable right now

[ebon flax]

gotcha

[feral spire]

use at your own risk do DAILY backup @ebon flax turn off server for half an hour and backup

[ebon flax]

aight

[polar quarry]

half hour backups oof

[dense river]

As long as it's just for your friends and you create regular backups it's probably fine™️

[lethal warren]

Okay, here is a report for the chunk gen slowness

[polar quarry]

disk space goes 📈 📈 📈

[feral spire]

I mean turn off for "half an hour" to do your daily back up not every half hour lol

[lethal warren]

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=51f1dee8acfd4ba79f20865ff7dd90fb

[ebon flax]

okay, also i heard that you can change servers from 1.17 to 1.18 now. is that true? and if so can i start the server in paper 1.17 and switch to paper 1.18 when a build comes out? does the world gen those extra caves like i read or nah

[polar quarry]

cool i had never seen something like that

[feral spire]

RegionBattle is giving some strokes in there

[polar quarry]

good stuff

[feral spire]

G1 Young: 72 avg(46.08ms every 6.12s)
50ms is ceilings so yeah your system is struggling

[vapid prawn]

I think RegionBattle is their own custom plugin

[lethal warren]

It is

[vapid prawn]

Like, that's the name of their server or something 😛

[feral spire]

You ideally want more than 2 CPU core can you alocate 4? @lethal warren

[lethal warren]

I cannot.

[feral spire]

chunk gen use more ethan 1 core now so it will 100% help

[quasi panther]

it works but it's very unstable, you should wait a while if you care about your world not getting corrupted

[gusty trench]

You should really be loading chunks async

[ebon flax]

thanks

[lethal warren]

The RegionBattle Plugin is likely doing some slowness because part of what it does is find random locations for events to spawn, then spawn them

[feral spire]

ideally you want to keep Xms=Xmx to improve performance as well you have it at 3 and 7 @lethal warren

that's about it

[ebon flax]

last question, say we start the server in vanilla 1.18 and wait for a functional paper build , can you go from vanilla to paper?

[lethal warren]

So try 7GB/7GB?

[gusty trench]

Yeah, you can do that async

[polar quarry]

yea vanilla->paper will be fine

[feral spire]

(if you are allowed)

[ebon flax]

oh sweet

[lethal warren]

Its a VPS I can do whatever to it lol

[feral spire]

ugh by that I mean what's your total RAM and what else you have running on it so it doenst OOM

[lethal warren]

8GB

[peak pulsar]

what a unique name

[lethal warren]

Let me up the RAM and see if the timings report looks any better

[peak pulsar]

is that man your hero or something?

[quasi panther]

don't feed the trolls

[peak pulsar]

that's like my only redeeming quality

[polar quarry]

this is a cool image

[lethal warren]

?

[quasi panther]

1.7.10

[lethal warren]

Yeah that is out of date.

Its definitely running 1.18-19

Im testing

[polar quarry]

im just here to shitpost sometimes

[peak pulsar]

people born when 1.7 was released are eight now

People still run alpha 1.2.6 servers occasionally

[acoustic dagger]

is this good?

[polar quarry]

nope

[peak pulsar]

Wait is purpur updated?

[wild falcon]

There are still quite a few Beta 1.7 servers

[polar quarry]

prob nothing stable

[acoustic dagger]

nah old config

[quasi panther]

"full server tick" says 1 tick is taking 164% of how long a tick should take, so very much no

[peak pulsar]

Ah

[wild falcon]

but thats because beta 1.7 was a good version

[acoustic dagger]

yea

Ya'll know about pufferfish

?

[sick hearth]

Kevin's fork?

[acoustic dagger]

yea

[tender gale]

I recently tried to host a beta 1.3 server, as that's the version I started playing minecraft

finding bukkit and plugins to download was pain

[acoustic dagger]

i am excited for airplane patches

[tender gale]

and it's buggy as hell

[polar quarry]

airplane fork...

[wild falcon]

I did an SMP over the summer with a few friends starting in Beta 1.3

we updated every week

it was loads of fun

[peak pulsar]

Is there still a good archive of all the old server jars?

[polar quarry]

so we went like pufferfish > airplane > paper > spigot > craftbukkit > bukkit > hmod

right?

[covert jolt]

omniarchive likely has them

[acoustic dagger]

nope

pretty much yes for 1.17

[tender gale]

maybe I'll try to do something similar 😄

[vague falcon]

Ain't pufferfish another yatopia?

[acoustic dagger]

nope

[covert jolt]

no

[acoustic dagger]

it is better than airplane

[vague falcon]

Oh I'm thinking sugarcane

[peak pulsar]

So many forks, but nothing to eat with them.

Pufferfish actually looks good

[acoustic dagger]

yup

[peak pulsar]

Can’t say that about sugarcane

[vague falcon]

Yeah mb

[acoustic dagger]

the sentry feature is just 👌

[peak pulsar]

Can’t say I’d ever use it, but I can see why it could be useful

[final mango]

I'm dropping the first test build in like 10 minutes

so

[peak pulsar]

[strange umbra]

Im updating my server in about 10 minutes

:D

[peak pulsar]

While I'm here, does anyone know any plugins that bring back unlimited enchants on armor

[final mango]

I... can't recommend that.

[acoustic dagger]

same 😄

[strange umbra]

Its not public yet

[acoustic dagger]

Is blue map good ?

someone who has experience on 1.18 with it

[amber mica]

if you like its visuals

[acoustic dagger]

yea i do

[amber mica]

dynmap has a better 2d map imo

pl3xmap is more lightweight, but imo bluemap is fine

[random herald]

any who has tried the new experimental versions, hows the performance?

[void gazelle]

personally bluemap lags my chrome browser LUL

[random herald]

any upgrade compared to 1.17?

[amber mica]

hardware acceleration disabled maybe?

[amber mica]

no. probably worse, but there are still important patches missing

[torn orbit]

What do those mean?

[void gazelle]

I don't think it is

[covert jolt]

don't crosspost

[torn orbit]

yh my bad

was ment for here

[lethal warren]

Looking at the timings report again, my plugin is near the top because of chunk loading

So maybe 1.18 is just SUPER demanding on loading chunks now

thought performance overall was going to be better

[gusty trench]

Major version bumps historically have worsened performance more than improved

[lethal warren]

Yeah, this one is pretty bad if its really just how it is

[gusty trench]

There's some exceptions, but the overall trend is for performance to go down as time passes

[amber mica]

chunk-loading performance is decent for me, just generation is slightly slow

[arctic oracle]

i really think that mojang needs to bump sys requirements again, because the minimum spec is hardly capable of play

[polar quarry]

thats going to make some kids screech

[lethal warren]

I'm running on

[polar quarry]

since performance improvements are possible with things like starlight and sodium, i assume its inefficient programming on their part

[lethal warren]

and this is the timings https://timings.aikar.co/?id=719f0bbbe87541f98ef397f0a9c235b5

[polar quarry]

ideally they'd fix shit instead of just telling people to buy better hardware

as modders are already doing

[covert jolt]

seems like people just loading in chunks that aren't pregenerated

[lethal warren]

I hadn't had an issue with this in the past

[amber mica]

and those sync chunk loads taking 200ms on avg aren't helping

[lethal warren]

I would run chunky but that crashes the server too lol

[lethal warren]

it is

[lethal warren]

Maybe I am misunderstanding but I thought chunk loading was async now?

[amber mica]

yes, but sync loads can happen, mostly if a plugin is doing chunk loading wrong

[lethal warren]

Tell me more, that may be my issue

[covert jolt]

but generation isn't

[lethal warren]

is SyncChunkLoad from plugins or just regular use? I see it as its own entry in timings

[onyx harness]

Is pufferfish that great?

[amber mica]

is your RegionBattle plugin loading chunks in any way?

assuming its your own plugin

[lethal warren]

it is, not explicitly, but I think things like spawning entities can load them or cause them to gen?

But Im not actually loading chunks with it

I can search my plugin for "chunk" and there isnt one result

So my guess is this is all just tied to chunk loading/generation

[final mango]

I'm biased, but yes it's pretty good

[onyx harness]

Will you have in future 1.18 builds?

[fierce ravine]

if you're not explicitly calling them sync whatever server software you have will decide how to load them, so in papers case async if possible but as michael said generation is still on the main thread

[onyx harness]

Because airplane won t have anymore

[lethal warren]

Generation being on the main thread is probably my issue, I need to pregen but even that is crashing the server with chunky

My plugins doesnt do anything to chunks besides just spawning a mob or something like that every so often

I guess chunk generation just takes that much more time now because of the new heights/procgen

[fierce ravine]

are the spawned in random locations?

[lethal warren]

Yes, which I assume is partly to blame, but they are spawned once per hour ish

Mainly its just normal chunk generation that is slow

ie no issues at spawn

[peak pulsar]

is the state of the paper/tuinity no tick chunks still in limbo?

[fierce ravine]

its more or less been like that for the last few versions and i doubt the added height will do it any good

[lethal warren]

Well performance on loading new chunks between 1.17 and 1.18 is significantly worse on my server

[fierce ravine]

most performance patches arent merged yet

[gusty trench]

Why don't you just load the chunks async

[fierce ravine]

read the convo dude

[lethal warren]

So maybe there is still hope! haha

Anyways, experimental and all. Totally fine with it. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't some bug that someone had caught already

[wheat phoenix]

How ready is 1.18?

[somber marten]

no-tick chunks are removed, it’s simulation distance and view distance now

[wheat phoenix]

For stable production

How stable is it

[upbeat seal]

its not

[wheat phoenix]

Okay

[somber marten]

I’m running it on my creative, hub, and minigames servers, but survival is still on 1.17

Kept survival on 1.17 cuz half the plugins on there are incompatible with 1.18

Basically if you want to dip ur toes into 1.18 rn then make sure u have a test server to work on or at least a backup of ur server

If u have neither then I recommend u just wait about a week or two

[still citrus]

^^^^

[peak pulsar]

completely? I remember seeing no tick on the github to-do list

[somber marten]

I don’t really see the reason to keep no-tick imo

[peak pulsar]

plus, papers implementation is more performant

[somber marten]

maybe keeping it so that yeah what u said

my servers work fine with just simulation/view distances so far

[vapid prawn]

The implementation is probably better but there is no reason to keep the old names

Vanilla has this feature now and has names that make more sense for it

[peak pulsar]

(implying the vanilla names make sense)

[vapid prawn]

People upgrading from 1.17 will be confused with the new names but people coming from vanilla or finding tutorials about vanilla will be confused with the old names

The vanilla names do make sense

[peak pulsar]

not at first glance

[vapid prawn]

View is how far you can view (well, minus 1, it's how far chunks are sent to you)

Simulation is how far it runs the game simulation

[peak pulsar]

simulated sounds like it implies that it's falsely created, instead of the entity activity being simulated

but thats besides the point

[vapid prawn]

They make more sense than paper's names anyway

And I can't really think of a better name for simulation-distance

[peak pulsar]

ticked-view-distance

[vapid prawn]

But it can be more or less than your actual view-distance

So it doesn't have any relation to your view-distance setting

[peak pulsar]

I thought that it was only effective if lower

[vapid prawn]

I thought it was capped at view-distance but apparently not

[peak pulsar]

oh

I see

[vapid prawn]

I haven't looked in the code though, I try not to have MC code on my systems 😛

[peak pulsar]

I don't think paper should completely replace the vanilla system though, at least with paper's current no tick implementation

[vapid prawn]

Mojang once sent me a letter implying having said code on my computer would get me in a lot of trouble

[peak pulsar]

because the two systems are fundamentally and mechanically very different

[vapid prawn]

Are they?

[true schooner]

Wait what, why tho?

[vapid prawn]

I sent them a letter asking them to buy me out for my contributions to CraftBukkit when they said they were going to do updates now

They sent a reply saying they were going to sue me in to the ground for doing things with MC

[true schooner]

Bruh

[crystal geyser]

Funny bluff @vapid prawn

[peak pulsar]

yeah, paper's no tick chunks are completely not ticked I believe, while vanilla's still has some ticking happening

[crystal geyser]

They couldn't do anything if they wanted to

[lean goblet]

I would have told them to learn how to code properly and you wouldn't have to fix their shit...

[vapid prawn]

I don't think that's on purpose though, they just didn't get around to it

[merry scaffold]

Updated.

[crystal geyser]

Part of it is just Java being Java and them having a fucking massive legacy codebase with a lot of older devs that would've been useful for refactoring leaving the company

They'd have to pay me insane amounts of money to work on this mess of an engine

[pallid merlin]

iirc there is not a lot of legacy code left

[peak pulsar]

at least they finally started bumping their java versions..

[pallid merlin]

Or maybe it was the other way around lol

[crystal geyser]

I mean this update alone removed a lot of old shit

As in legacy shit, removed isn't as good of a word as refactored or reworked

[polar quarry]

not sure i understood correctly but... which mojang devs stopped coding for minecraft? or what happened

[true schooner]

Mojang actually writes more "enterprise" code now. They still don't focus on performance as much as they should tho.

[deft quarry]

were i find the patched jar?

[amber mica]

in the "cache" folder, if that hasn't changed

[deft quarry]

there is no

[true schooner]

Assuming you want the paperclip patched jar, you can find it in the cache folder after running the jar at least once

[amber mica]

there should be one after running it atleast once.
If you want it for using NMS, I would recommend using the paperweight userdev plugin instead tho, as you won't have mappings with the patched jar

[crystal geyser]

More of an assumption, I assume some shit got shaken up post acquisition. Regardless, they have a legacy code base and a bunch of old people from a time when the game was much more conceptual, and I know for a fact that a lot of base level shit stayed for YEARS before eventually getting reworked, if it ever did

[hoary blaze]

not sure if its just me

but im getting "Cause of unexpected exception was
java.lang.AssertionError: TRAP" my server keeps shutting down on its own

but its saving everything

[crystal geyser]

What happens before that

That doesn't really tell anyone much other than there was an assert

[dense river]

paste.gg your entire log

[hoary blaze]

Failed to handle packet for /(an ip i can not show)

[hoary blaze]

huh

[dense river]

get your latest log and paste it in a https://paste.gg and then send it here

[grave charm]

I'm guessing you need to update @hoary blaze

that TRAP error was fixed already

[hoary blaze]

new paper version?

[grave charm]

post your log anyways

or at least post your version from /version

[hoary blaze]

seems to happen everytime a piglin is being attacked or killed

[crystal geyser]

Post log plox

[hoary blaze]

ok

how do i actually add the file to it

[grave charm]

you just open the file, and copy the contents to a paste file

the latest.log

[quasi panther]

open it with notepad

[hoary blaze]

oh i paste it into the website

my fault

ok i did it

[grave charm]

now post the link to it here

so we can actually see it 🙂

[hoary blaze]

but it got like ips and everything

[quasi panther]

then edit it so the ips aren't in it anymore

[grave charm]

or just copy the full stack trace

[pure crest]

thank god there was an update #15 was crashing every 20 mins btw thank you guys for helping me with my TPS issue yesterday

[hoary blaze]

i can just dm it to you

[grave charm]

sure

yeah, thats probably a plugin issue

smth smth tablist plugin

[peak pulsar]

it's doing some fucky wucky reflection stuff

[pure crest]

its tablist 5.5.8 thats causing it

[restive ocean]

hey, is there anything known already what causes that the autocomplete is not working anymore?

[polar quarry]

yea single core systems have that issue with java 17

there was a java parallelism flag you CAN SET* to fix it

[grave charm]

you need to add a special flag to your jvm args

[polar quarry]

let me search

[restive ocean]

mh its actually not a single core system i expect its then also a issue with docker

[polar quarry]

here u go https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6936

[restive ocean]

can you give it to me so that i can add ti? would be nice

tyy

[grave charm]

-Djava.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool.common.parallelism=1

[polar quarry]

-Djava.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool.common.parallelism=1

[pure crest]

if youd like another alternitive to a custom TAB menu TAB 3.0 has been released with all its premium features for free @peak pulsar

[restive ocean]

anything known if that would affect older servers?

[grave charm]

its a java 17 issue

[feral spire]

you should not be running MC on 1 core anyway. That's just pure suffering

[restive ocean]

yeah sure but that argument do you think it will cause issues with java 8 on older java

[feral spire]

no

[restive ocean]

im not running it on one core

i think docker is an issue there

[polar quarry]

why do you dockerize a single jar file

o v e r h e a d

b l o a t

[restive ocean]

we arent...

[pure crest]

@peak pulsar if youd like dm me i do have copies of the new custom tab 3.0

[feral spire]

it fucks with budget host that sells 1 core plan mainly

[restive ocean]

dafq xD

[peak pulsar]

Always make sure to grab plugins from their official sources, and not some random guy in dms

[polar quarry]

no

[pure crest]

np

[feral spire]

that's not do that here. even if you have good intention

[pure crest]

its a free plugin

chill lol

[polar quarry]

very cute pfp btw

[peak pulsar]

ouo

[pure crest]

the dev released a statement saying e ombined te premium and free versions causes hes lazy

[feral spire]

it's the action on disturbing the plugin jar and not about if it is free or not. That's also how a lot of people got malware

[restive ocean]

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[feral spire]

ok thanks for the info. didnt ask

[restive ocean]

it looked like that

however thank you all for that ❤️

[covert jolt]

there does appear to be some weird java issue with how java finds the available processorcount

[vapid prawn]

Minecraft still doesn't have a physics engine

[restive ocean]

yes i know thats what i tought too

[vapid prawn]

It just has some "physics" things that can happen in the middle of all the other ticking logic for entities and can work different ways for each entitiy

[feral spire]

what physic Amaranth..... tree dont even fall in MC

[pure crest]

lolol works in cyber security and network administration..... yep lets distribute malware and be that bad guy for once

[feral spire]

then you should know to always point people to official sites and check the hash for eaech downloads

[pure crest]

ez i gotte download from the official dev himself and ran it in a sandbox environment after he made the changes and decompiled the jar to make sure noting is fishy aswell SAFE lol go beyond hash checking

[covert jolt]

Ok.

[pure crest]

ez pz but yes ill link offical website stuff from now on

[peak pulsar]

who knows a good free server host site

[lethal warren]

There are none. no free servers are good.

[covert jolt]

good and free don't exist

[quasi panther]

#welcome

DONT:
4. Trying to buy or sell services or hire developers. This is not a marketplace.

[peak pulsar]

I'd argue hosting advice isn't really a part of that

[feral spire]

Oracle..........

[hot topaz]

"good" & "free" lmao

[pure crest]

see thats why i just host my own on my own server xD

cause good and free dont exsist

[covert jolt]

that's what i said yes

[peak pulsar]

Oracle cloud

[pale cedar]

hey how do i report a bug?

[night gale]

Create an issue over here: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues

[peak pulsar]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues if you can reproduce it without plugins on the latest build

damnit stef

[night gale]

!kick @distant meteor Don't ping someone who doesn't want to be pinged

[pale cedar]

its without plugins on the latest build

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Kicked Fallen#1200 (Don't ping someone who doesn't want to be pinged) [1 total infraction] -- stefvanschie#7609.

[night gale]

It's in his name

[pale cedar]

basicly, the view distance in server.props is set to 32, so i should be able to see a shit ton, this is how much i can see, does not change no matter the value set in server.properties

[night gale]

!ban @distant meteor Don't be a dick

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Banned Fallen#1200 (Don't be a dick) [2 total infractions] -- stefvanschie#7609.

[feral spire]

Client is also set up 32?

[quasi panther]

what's it set to in your client settings?

[feral spire]

Also server is running natively on 1.18?

And client?

[pale cedar]

yes, both running 1.18

vanilla client

[vapid prawn]

Do you have any plugins?

[quasi panther]

did you set view-distance, or simulation-distance?

[pale cedar]

no plugins

[pale cedar]

view distance is 32, sim distance is 16

i set it to that to see a shit ton since it wasnt working

[feral spire]

Stop server > nuke server.properties > start server

[pale cedar]

okbossman

[feral spire]

To generate a new one to ensure it wasn’t formatting issue

After that I have no clue

[quasi panther]

perhaps rename server.properties so you still have your old values if you want them

[pale cedar]

i just downloaded it

[feral spire]

Make sure you save while server is stopped

Some host panel will performs a save on stop

And it will overwrite whatever you changed

[pale cedar]

yeah i never do changes with server on

thats not a smart idea

right its starting back up now

fingers crossed

bad news

i can still see jack shit

[feral spire]

That’s odd

Do you have other server to check?

[pale cedar]

not another 1.18 one

[quasi panther]

does it still happen in a singleplayer world?

[polar quarry]

thats a lot of nearby fog, are you sure thats not your client?

[pale cedar]

nope, its fine on singleplayer

its a singleplayer world

that i moved over

[quasi panther]

stick your server.properties in http://paste.gg ? make sure to remove the IP if you set it

[pale cedar]

same area on singleplayer

[wind meadow]

• I have same problem on latest build

[proper fjord]

Issue with no-tick-view-distance, if you increase view-distance in spigot.yml it should fix it

but don't put it too high because it will cause lag :3

[ornate salmon]

on the papermc server a beacon light randomly came out of a end portal frame at spawn but no beacon was under it. Happend when I placed pants on a armor stand near by. But can't reproduce it lol. i'm so confused.

[proper fjord]

Had this issue and that sorted it out for me - increased that to 8

[pale cedar]

ok will try this ^

[quasi panther]

if it works, probably worth reporting on github

[proper fjord]

I think it has already been reported and is being worked on

[grave charm]

what was the value in spigot.yml set to before?

it should be "default" or smth, that falls back to the server.properties one

[feral spire]

view distance in spigot will overwrite server.properties

that's intentional

[proper fjord]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6136

[pale cedar]

4, reused configs, setting it to 8, and it worked

my bad for wasting time guys

[proper fjord]

It is a common issue apparently lol

[pale cedar]

i can SEE

[wind meadow]

thx, it helps

[grave charm]

yeah, its set to "default" by default

[feral spire]

@pale cedar you will need to set it to 32

[grave charm]

so why does setting it change anything?

[proper fjord]

is that not really resource intensive

[feral spire]

that was what he wanted

[pale cedar]

yeah i know, it was just for testing lmfao

[proper fjord]

oh ok lol - wouldn't advise it lmao

[feral spire]

this is default on spigot machine

    simulation-distance: default
    view-distance: default

[pale cedar]

i just set it to some stupidly high number to see if it would work

[quasi panther]

players don't even get block updates from outside sim distance, I wonder how much actual load that will create..

[feral spire]

its almost as good a no-tick but it eats bandwidth

[grave charm]

yeah, but why does changing it from "default" need to happen to have a large view distance?

[polar quarry]

cuz default = 10 probably

[fervent lynx]

I think the main reason people are coming here saying "I can't see anything!" is because they've relied on no tick to increase their view for quite awhile and now that it's gone, suddenly everyone's view has been reverted to whatever is set in server.properties or spigot.yml and don't realize it

[grave charm]

no, default = server.properties value

[feral spire]

oh idk what his value used to be. @pale cedar what was the value there before

[polar quarry]

a

[feral spire]

so we can rule out issue machine is talking about

[pale cedar]

this

[fervent lynx]

didn't he say it here? #❗-1-18-experimental message

seems to have been 4

[feral spire]

this should be pinned.

this is likely why

[quasi panther]

like people read the pins

[feral spire]

aside from the usual confusing both values

[grave charm]

ok, well if Euan's spigot.yml view-distance was set to 4, then thats def the issue for them

but leaving it set to "default" (the literal string "default") should be fine

[pseudo viper]

hey, not getting white or auto complete admin commands, bug or a new setting i need to turn on xD?

[half walrus]

Having issues with tab complete on java 17? See https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6936#issuecomment-979713795

[feral spire]

anyway for paper to force it back to default? Unless leaf is doing something special, this may cause more confusion than benefit.

[pale cedar]

setting it to this made the distance perfect

[grave charm]

"default" is default, if they've changed it, they've changed it to be per-world

[feral spire]

@pale cedar the question is what was your old value? was it 4 before you update

[pale cedar]

yes

[grave charm]

yeah, so at some point you changed it to 4

[feral spire]

so it is pretty much what pure said.

[pale cedar]

i changed it due to a paper 1.17 no tick issue