Yeah that is dead if you were yesterday in this Chat
#❗-1-18-experimental
valid turret
bronze linden
Well now you’ve lost the game
lusty bison
no just an answer if there are some big breaking changes
smoky fulcrum
[09:06:00 WARN]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 5030ms or 100 ticks behind
[09:06:42 WARN]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 13481ms or 269 ticks behind
[09:07:29 WARN]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 16719ms or 334 ticks behind
[09:19:18 WARN]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 5046ms or 100 ticks behind
am i the only one that gets random cant keep up messages even tho nobody is playing?
arctic oracle
again, you looking for some kind of list? how do we know?
arctic oracle
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[09:06:00 WARN]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 5030ms or ...
do /timings report
and copy the link here
lusty bison
forget it lol, i dont understand whats here not to understand. thanks though
arctic oracle
you are asking for a list of broken things on day 0 before anyone knows they are broken
explain to me how that makes any sense
vapid prawn
Every plugin that uses NMS broke
Just like they do every time
That might be 100% of your plugins, it might be 0%
It's probably somewhere between 20% and 50%
outer pivot
or 69 %
vapid prawn
Do any of those have updates? I don't know
arctic oracle
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=49081a54dd5c45919d8a2f992fadca94
you are using #5, update to #16 and use the flags
vapid prawn
For the actual API there was some shuffling of particles and such which are expected to break on a somewhat regular basis
But the API makes it impossible to deal with that breakage
So those plugins need an update
Do you use any of them? I don't know
vapid prawn
forget it lol, i dont understand whats here not to understand. thanks though
Is that a better answer?
It's just a long winded way of saying "I don't know, try it yourself"
arctic oracle
it sure was more detail than i gave, but same end result, we dont know
smoky fulcrum
you are using #5, update to #16 and use the flags
shouldnt i use #17?
feral spire
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=49081a54dd5c45919d8a2f992fadca94
nothing really interesting in this. seems to be a rather weak cpu? and yeah use aikar's flag
arctic oracle
shouldnt i use #17?
is there a 17 now?
outer pivot
arctic oracle
nothing really interesting in this. seems to be a rather weak cpu? and yeah use ...
hes on build 5 for one
feral spire
I just look at his GC for that part G1 Young: 453 avg(106.32ms every 113.14s)
arctic oracle
yes use #17, that must have shown up at in the last little while and i didn't notice
smoky fulcrum
nothing really interesting in this. seems to be a rather weak cpu? and yeah use ...
it was able to run multiple 1.17 servers so i think its just me not realising im running on an old version
arctic oracle
being able to run multiple older versions does not mean you can run new ones
feral spire
1.18 isn’t optimized like 1.17 yet
arctic oracle
i was able to handle two kitchen sink mod packs in 1.12 on my server but can hardly run vanilla 1.17 on the same one
outer pivot
ima take a wild guess and say
feral spire
But I give you what I can see from timings. They are made for this purpose
outer pivot
your lag is due to chunks updating to 1.18 format?
smoky fulcrum
your lag is due to chunks updating to 1.18 format?
there arent any 1.17 chunks since its a new world.
lets just wait and see if the issue is fixed by updating
arctic oracle
i mean, those flags are kinda important me gui
outer pivot
is the new vanilla simulation distance going to deprecate papers no tick view distance? 🤔
dapper lotus
probably not, as has been discussed already
outer pivot
are there significant differences?
dense river
From what I've gathered so far the no tick view distance is a lot more efficient
dapper lotus
God I hate litebans...
outer pivot
./eta 🙂
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
sacred pond
oh thx
dense river
See #announcements 🙂
sacred pond
God I hate litebans...
then dont do it 🙂
dapper lotus
I mean, am getting paid to do stuff with it; doesn't mean I hate it less
outer pivot
well, gonna stick with no tick view distance then of course 🙂 although im wondering should the vanilla variant be set to the same value as no-tick-vd or the normal-vd?
🤔
sacred pond
at least you got something from it
dapper lotus
when lef restore NTV the vanilla settings are gonna be useless
arctic oracle
well, gonna stick with no tick view distance then of course 🙂 although im wonde...
no tick is currently not in at all so...
dense river
We will tell you about that as soon as we know it^^
outer pivot
😄 fair point
feral spire
View distance is terrain view
Simulated distance is old view distance @outer pivot
Config accordingly until leaf finishes his stuff
outer pivot
oh im not going 1.18 until its done anyway
although im really impressed with the release speed on this update
kindred basalt
it's... day 0 1
outer pivot
yeah my point exactly
didnt it take a bunch of weeks or more on the previous updates?
sacred pond
ok there's no eta but is there an almost estimated time? more like in a month? or in a week?........ (pls dont ban)
outer pivot
lol
peak pulsar
hi everyone , my 1.18 exp just crashed, where can i publish the crash report to help ? thanks
dapper lotus
.paste
peak pulsar
vivid ironBOT
crash-2021-12-01_03.51.54-server.txt by @silver lynx: https://paste.gg/200ac3285e974fb29eaf8cea5a0bc717
peak pulsar
nope, but the server was generating chunks with chunky
no players online
i was using update #16
dense river
Asynchronous entity add! interesting
pulsar dagger
it's the item entity
I've seen something similar before with hugefungusfeature
but was never able to reproduce it
dapper lotus
Issue is that they don't pass the "level" around
pulsar dagger
this is new stuff though
dapper lotus
or, well, the chunk container thing
And so, if something adds an entity to the world in a gen thread, for example, it just gets the world as is
and due to behavioral changes by upstream, that's basically not supported and thus boom
grave charm
These async adds are happening in vanilla yeah?
grave charm
What does upstream do to unsupport it then
proud zenith
bukkit 
dapper lotus
We also have our own async catcher which really shouldn't be there
peak pulsar
btw i have a technical question, i know that chunks are now "fat" but when i was generating chunks in 1.17 with paper i was around 150 cps, now best i can do is 30-40
arctic oracle
i had something simmilar happen on #10 but i didn't crash from it
dapper lotus
but, i got no idea if other stuff is what makes us enforce that
timber ridge
btw i have a technical question, i know that chunks are now "fat" but when i was...
Chunk gen seems to be slower in 1.18. Those numbers are about in line with what everyone else is seeing.
languid lodge
How far is leaf with the trunity patches? Asking because I cannot tell the difference
arctic oracle
my theory based on examining logs is that it was caused by a pointed dripstone spawning in an invalid place and trying to fall before chunkgen was done. but its a guess based on weak evidence
fervent lynx
btw i have a technical question, i know that chunks are now "fat" but when i was...
world gen has gotten extremely complex with 1.18 beyond just becoming tall, so it's amazing it runs at 30-40 cps to begin with :P
white robin
Collision and block ticking patches are missing, notably
languid lodge
Ah good to know thx kenny
white robin
oh and no-tick
arctic oracle
i was running at 70 cps earlier today
dapper lotus
Is there an easy way to see if we're on a gen thread? I forget...
Idk what best to do that, best I can imagine is that if we're on a gen thread just post it back to main
peak pulsar
ok i see ... hope chunky gets updated to compensate
arctic oracle
not really chunky's fault. you are asking for a 5 course meal instead of just dinner
peak pulsar
i was running at 70 cps earlier today
nice !
fervent lynx
there's not really anything chunky can do, we've looked into it and have updated the wiki with additional tips, but it just asks the server for chunks
dark wigeon
server says no
arctic oracle
the only real solution at the moment is to get faster hardware
fervent lynx
ok i see ... hope chunky gets updated to compensate
https://github.com/pop4959/Chunky/wiki/FAQ#can-i-make-chunks-generate-faster might contain information that can help, but yes, you will see a massive decrease compared to 1.17
peak pulsar
<https://github.com/pop4959/Chunky/wiki/FAQ#can-i-make-chunks-generate-faster> m...
goona check this thank you
arctic oracle
which is intresting, because in my own experience chunk gen has actually been faster in 1.18 than .17/.16 at least for massive world renders. wonder if something in my setup has changed >.>
violet wing
you're pretty much the only person i've seen experience that
do you have a server with a really high thread count or something
spring girder
I thin 1.18 gen should be faster because of java 17
dark wigeon
Genius
fervent lynx
lol
spring girder
Owo
arctic oracle
its on a i9 99k at base clock
dapper lotus
java 17 is not that revolutionary
arctic oracle
it really isnt anything fancy
dark wigeon
99k, holy shit
dapper lotus
I don't think that there is much that can overcome mojang
restive garden
I get this error while patching in 1.18#16:
/opt/openjdk-17/bin/java -Dpaperclip.patchonly=true -jar /opt/minecraft/paperclip.jar; exit 0
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "17-ea"
at java.base/java.lang.NumberFormatException.forInputString(NumberFormatException.java:67)
at java.base/java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:668)
at java.base/java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:786)
at io.papermc.paperclip.Main.getJavaVersion(Main.java:47)
at io.papermc.paperclip.Main.main(Main.java:17)
Is this a bug I should report?
dapper lotus
update java
arctic oracle
on windows no less >.>
autumn comet
Cat, didn't you pull the paperclip pr already?
peak pulsar
its on a i9 99k at base clock
yeah this is a beast
arctic oracle
yeah this is a beast
Lol this is the slower of my two available systems
dapper lotus
Yea, but I don't think it was updated in paper
restive garden
@dapper lotus Was that reply to my question?
dapper lotus
You use an early access version of java
arctic oracle
Get full release
rich widget
I have a question, how good is paper 1.18 tested against hacker exploits, this or the previous paper version. ???
arctic oracle
I don't know how good is any airport tested against criminals?
What are you specifically wanting to know
rich widget
I don't know how good is any airport tested against criminals?
9/11
rich widget
What are you specifically wanting to know
Well, do hacker exploits work or not
arctic oracle
Again, what exploits?
dapper lotus
I mean, it's a piece of software exposed to the internet
arctic oracle
Need to have a situation to answer a question
dapper lotus
we generally fix gameplay stuff where viable, but, we can't fix the wider things, like, the existence of DDoS attacks
rich widget
Again, what exploits?
Guy just in general, like fly or dupe or kill aura
dapper lotus
dupe, yes
arctic oracle
Dupe gets fixed fast
dapper lotus
We've got better things to do than play cat and mouse there
arctic oracle
They develop software, not cyberpolice
restive garden
I testest openjdk-18 and get this error:
*
RUN /opt/openjdk-18/bin/java -Dpaperclip.patchonly=true -jar /opt/minecraft/paperclip.jar; exit 0
---> Running in c6563da4a034
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "18-ea"
at java.base/java.lang.NumberFormatException.forInputString(NumberFormatException.java:67)
at java.base/java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:668)
at java.base/java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:784)
at io.papermc.paperclip.Main.getJavaVersion(Main.java:47)
at io.papermc.paperclip.Main.main(Main.java:17)*
What is the problem? I use the official docker container: https://hub.docker.com/_/openjdk Which one should I use?
is there a readme for this?
restive garden
I tried jdk17:
RUN /opt/openjdk-17/bin/java -Dpaperclip.patchonly=true -jar /opt/minecraft/paperclip.jar; exit 0
---> Running in fb55f73bcf0e
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "17-ea"
at java.base/java.lang.NumberFormatException.forInputString(NumberFormatException.java:67)
at java.base/java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:668)
at java.base/java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:786)
at io.papermc.paperclip.Main.getJavaVersion(Main.java:47)
at io.papermc.paperclip.Main.main(Main.java:17)
dapper lotus
Once again, ea builds do not work
restive garden
what is the official java docker image you guys test paper with?
dapper lotus
I'm pushing an update which should fix that, but it's stupid to run ea builds
use docker images from a different vendor
restive garden
Please point me to the correct image. Please enlighten me
languid lodge
linux or windows?
arctic oracle
dapper lotus
But, I mean, pretty much every single other vender is shipping images which are actually updated
arctic oracle
Here, select 17
languid lodge
arctic oracle
Idk, he asked for someone to google for him
vivid ironBOT
Requested by mdcfe - About 199,000 results (0.23 seconds)
dapper lotus
- We'd rather people not spoon
- if you're gonna fucking spoon at least follow the convo
they blatently said docker, and you're linking standalone builds...
icy crown
if only /google returned a search link instead of actually searching
arctic oracle
I'm on mobile, I can't exactly read chat while on another page grabbing a link
icy crown
||you could read the chat before or after you grabbed the link||
arctic oracle
I read it before, docker was mentioned in the two minutes inbetween
Also relies on me knowing that you can't use a stand alone Linux build in docker
icy crown
I'm sorry you don't know what docker is
peak pulsar
[04:33:59 ERROR]: Detected setBlock in a far chunk [-552, -25], pos: BlockPosition{x=-8831, y=34, z=-385}, status: minecraft:features, currently generating: ResourceKey[minecraft:worldgen/placed_feature / minecraft:large_dripstone]
hello again i got many of these
icy crown
Regardless, if MarcTV is still here, their problems seems very much pebcak
fervent lynx
[04:33:59 ERROR]: Detected setBlock in a far chunk [-552, -25], pos: BlockPositi...
you'll see a few of those, it's an "issue" with vanilla world gen
peak pulsar
you'll see a few of those, it's an "issue" with vanilla world gen
ok thank you
peak pulsar
you'll see a few of those, it's an "issue" with vanilla world gen
like whe he tries to generate a spawner inside bedrock ?
languid lodge
Amateurs here running 1.18, me with the 1.15.2 server, which everybody hates 
arctic oracle
Amateurs here running 1.18, me with the 1.15.2 server, which everybody hates <a:...
Eww y tho?
languid lodge
I am lazy af
arctic oracle
Fair
languid lodge
Na, just yolo
arctic oracle
Shouldn't be an issue according to Mojang
gentle carbon
backup first, it's likely it could corrupt since you're on 1.15.2 lol
last gulch
should not be necessary to update to 1.17 first before going to 1.18
fervent lynx
interesting, seems like that'd be an issue with the latest item meta hiding patch
wind thicket
Without any plugins
fervent lynx
definitely open an issue on the paper tracker for that if you can
wind thicket
Just discovered by a player
pulsar dagger
you can disable that in the config
wind thicket
Origin: paper-1.18-11 The problem encountered
pulsar dagger
I don't know the exact name, something about hide item meta in paper.yml
peak pulsar
paper-1.18-18
where did you find 1.18-18 ? on papermc.io/downloads the latest to me is 1.18-16
wind thicket
i test ing
peak pulsar
i test ing
oh ok sry
white robin
I'll fix it
peak pulsar
https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Banner#Block_data we can't just strip out the entire block entity data
wind thicket
I'll fix it
peak pulsar
iirc i originally also stripped the entire block entity data, but that borked all sorts of stuff
The block entity data stores a lot, I don't think we can just strip that
question: i use the following flags, are they good or can i improve smthg ? java -Xms8G -Xmx8G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200 -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:G1HeapWastePercent=5 -XX:G1MixedGCCountTarget=4 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=90 -XX:G1RSetUpdatingPauseTimePercent=5 -XX:SurvivorRatio=32 -XX:+PerfDisableSharedMem -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=30 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=40 -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=8M -XX:G1ReservePercent=20 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=15 -jar paper-1.18-16.jar nogui
tawny heron
Will there be a stable release ?
regal shard
lol
void gazelle
No there will never be any stable releases
static rapids
Giv them time the update only just came out lol
tawny heron
Is there any issues that i need to take not if im going to use the experimental?
dense river
All the information are in #announcements
lilac marsh
In general, it is to be suggested to not use these builds at all. But if you still really want to (which I can understand) just make sure to make frequent backups.
neon shard
Do you guys think the version is stable/safe enough to load it up and (only) pre-gen on it while we wait for the stable versions
spare trail
Do you guys think the version is stable/safe enough to load it up and (only) pre...
why not just wait for a stable version then pre-gen then?
either way you're waiting
spare trail
meh, not much time, and it's not really worth it
who knows what could happen
better to be safe and spend wait a few more hours
dapper lotus
er, manya, is that a new world or?
peak pulsar
thats an old world actually
peak pulsar
eh.. i dont understand the question
dapper lotus
Was you using a datapack?
peak pulsar
ah, yes
peak pulsar
i have a backup for hopefully
Lemme see how would it go on a brand new server
dapper lotus
There is a slim chance that spigots refusal to move the API forward caused damage to your world
well, idk how slim slim is there
peak pulsar
custom biomes and shit?
dapper lotus
yup
pulsar dagger
mojang doesn't support upgrading custom biomes regardless of what changes spigot does
at least not from older to 1.18
dapper lotus
yea, but spigot pretty much intentionally wrote invalid data to the disk
and no idea what mojangs upgrade logic does with that mess
dapper lotus
We where warning people for months that custom biomes would make you unable to like upgrade safely
dapper lotus
if you have a dupe report that you can reproduce without plugins, ^
jagged oak
hey, do I need java 17 or can java 16 work
viscid lily
er, manya, is that a new world or?
And what if I want to pregen a new, fresh world? Is it safe?
peak pulsar
i will try to run the datapack on brand new server
dapper lotus
Don't mention.
viscid lily
Sorry
peak pulsar
And what if I want to pregen a new, fresh world? Is it safe?
i am doing it rn, seems to work fine
paper herald
if you have a dupe report that you can reproduce without plugins, ^
that is interesting that u specified it like that, we have a marriage plugin on our server and one of the spouses did /marry give "otherspouse" while holding an item, it gave an error message, but still sent the player a copy of the item. while the original was still in the first spouses inventory.
jaunty onyx
screen is terminating
viscid lily
i am doing it rn, seems to work fine
Thanks
paper herald
thank you electronic cat for your expertise, ill remove our plugin until its updated properly
viscid lily
it is a new world btw, not upgrading an old one
I know, I just want to pregen new world
regal anvil
You could give it a try and if something goes wrong just start a new world, assuming you are starting a fresh server
glad vapor
Does anyone know what version number will be used when PaperMC for 1.18 is considered stable?
peak pulsar
No
autumn comet
The version format will not change
languid lodge
whatever the build number is
stoic depot
There will be an announcement, but no version or anything
glad vapor
Okay gotcha ty
safe shuttle
Guys, I use Shockbyte as my provider, they already have a "1.18" paper version available, but I've read here that there is no stable version yet, should I wait for a newer, better stable version?
pine fiber
Guys, I use Shockbyte as my provider, they already have a "1.18" paper version a...
if you're running in production, stable is always a good idea
brave raptor
Has this something to do with new paper version of minecraft?
terse summit
cloud phoenix
Not really about size, more like it being "for real"
safe shuttle
if you're running in production, stable is always a good idea
When you mean production you're talking more of an official server right? Mine is just me and a bunch of friends playing survival semi-vanilla with a few plugins (upcoming versions). Would it be fine? What would there be some risks of corrupted worlds or something?
autumn comet
"production" is everything that is not dev
silver knot
I want to set up plugins for server. Is okay to use experimental or should I wait?
pine fiber
production is the kind of server that you or others would play on for the purposes of playing on it and having fun and using it like a server is used
safe shuttle
All right, thank you guys! Have a good day!
brave raptor
Does anyone experience the same as me?
Look at my screenshots, it is when joining a survival world
pine fiber
it doesn't look like that is a server-side crash
looks like a minecraft client crash to me
brave raptor
Maybe the server isn't fully coded for new biome or whatever and translates it wrong
brave raptor
looks like a minecraft client crash to me
yes it is, but its only on my 1.18 sserver :p
And i'm not the only one
Its on a experimental build
pine fiber
if you were joining a survival paper server, check the console log for errors
brave raptor
of 1.18
dapper lotus
reproduce without plugins, etc
pine fiber
^
brave raptor
if you were joining a survival paper server, check the console log for errors
nothing
dapper lotus
We can't really say much from just that
brave raptor
reproduce without plugins, etc
aah okay
dapper lotus
Use your own judgement, we can't decide for you.
silver knot
Is there a chance that it will ruin config of some plugins?
dense river
All the information we have we put into #announcements
unique basin
of course
dense river
You mean for 1.18? Yes
vivid bluff
Wanted to update to 1.18 from the hospital.
All plugins at "latest" pre 1.18 version, 50% of plugins broke.
Yeah, I'll do this another day.
uneven pagoda
Don't know but interesting: falling-block-height-nerf in paper.yml default = 0, maybe it's need to be updated to -63?
Hmm I think that it's not supported now
So same with tnt-entity-height-nerf..
gleaming quartz
Could you create issue on Paper repo, to make sure we won't forget?
uneven pagoda
np
viscid lily
Is "non tick view distance" in paper 1.18?
dense river
not yet
viscid lily
I heard that now at 1.18 there is a fog at long distance, right?
peak pulsar
Slightly off topic and noob question - How significantly does pre-loading chunks affect server performance?
I apologise if this is the wrong place to ask
dense river
pre-loading chunks or pre-generating chunks?
peak pulsar
generating (?) - i'm using chunky
dapper lotus
Literally the exact same thing
dense river
not really? generating = loading it for the first time, has to generate terrain and stuff. loading = loading it after it is already generated
at least imo
amber citrus
Benefit: You will gain some extra performance, specially when its a fresh map.
Drawback: You need quite lot of space in the disk (Well really depend on how much do u pregenereate)
dapper lotus
loading implies generating if not already, and "pre" generally implies, first time
peak pulsar
Thank you all very much for your help
peak pulsar
What you could is pregenerate the first 10k of the map
That's the exact number!
amber citrus
As it will be the more explore at first
dapper lotus
big thing is that anything gen'd, won't see new features as they're added
peak pulsar
I'm generating up to the worldborder, 10000 radius (5k in each direction)
dapper lotus
and it's a common trap that people go stupid with it, create oversized worlds, and then can't access new stuff
peak pulsar
and it's a common trap that people go stupid with it, create oversized worlds, a...
Makes a lot of sense - thanks for the warning
tender gale
you can always trim the world with mca-selector or something
dapper lotus
that's a stupid long term strat
naive river
bumping up to 133 Players and still running smooth #18
tender gale
that's a stupid long term strat
depends
dapper lotus
it creates janky chunk edges and in the case of 1.18s stuff would mangle chunks even harder
dense river
what we always do is pre-generate the ressource world after resetting it every few weeks, because otherwise if like 40 people start to generate chunks in all directions after the reset no one will be happy 😄
tender gale
it creates janky chunk edges and in the case of 1.18s stuff would mangle chunks ...
without pregenerating you'll still get chunk edges
dapper lotus
don't mention
dapper lotus
trimming intentionally crops stuff off
zinc sierra
what we always do is pre-generate the ressource world after resetting it every f...
How do you manage multiple overworld type world ?
dense river
multiverse? not sure what you mean
dapper lotus
Like, you're gonna get edges but the upgrade logic is generally better at dealing with upgrades, especially with the modern phased chunk gen stuff vs the older mechanism
amber citrus
emm
The new java 17 is already compatible with all plugins that already work with java 16?
low path
If starting a 1.17 server to 1.18 do I need to run that uhhh "-convert-world?" flag?
dense river
No
autumn comet
The new java 17 is already compatible with all plugins that already work with ja...
If the plugins don't use stuff that has been removed from 16 to 17, yes
low path
solid
dapper lotus
do NOT use forceUpgrade
autumn comet
However, certain JEPs introduce deprecations that developers should address in a timely manner.
zinc sierra
multiverse? not sure what you mean
Yeah i used to do it with multiverse as well but it's discontinued now iirc
edit: okay it's not, thx for making me look at it again aurora.
naive river
is there any issue when converting 1.17 world into 1.18 ?
amber citrus
Is there any performance boost from java 16 to 17? or its mostly the same
dapper lotus
multiverse uses API which literally hasn't changed in years
tender gale
it creates janky chunk edges and in the case of 1.18s stuff would mangle chunks ...
actually with 1.18 I'm going to fix almost every janky border in my world that is repeatedly updated from beta 1.3 by deleting carefully selected chunks, because chunk blending is great
autumn comet
Is there any performance boost from java 16 to 17? or its mostly the same
Take a look at https://tschatzl.github.io/2021/09/16/jdk17-g1-parallel-gc-changes.html for G1 improvements
naive river
i think there is an improvement from java 16 to java 17, on my server i saw a More efficient memory usage when 150+ players are playing
covert jolt
memory usage is irrelevant
gleaming quartz
If they were banned or removed messages themselves.
peak pulsar
I'm generating up to the worldborder, 10000 radius (5k in each direction)
wrong, 5k each means 5k radius, or 10k diameter
peak pulsar
wrong, 5k each means 5k radius, or 10k diameter
Apologies - thanks for the correction
peak pulsar
Apologies - thanks for the correction
anyway i recommand you to pre-gen a 10k radius if you will have may players for the first time on your server. It will reduce lag 😉
dark nymph
so apparently shulkerboxes dont drop anything at all rn
zinc sierra
5k r should be plenty enough, plus it allow easier access of newer content in case of a version upgrade, travelling 5k blocks is fine, 10k could start to be annoying
dark nymph
On creative they act as normal but no drops on survival
peak pulsar
Do they not drop when breaking them?
dark nymph
No they do not, If a player were to drop them thats normal but after being placed a survival player would just destroy the drops
I am completely dumbfounded by this
dapper lotus
er, try it on build 10
otherwise, reproduce without plugins on latest and create an issue on the tracker
peak pulsar
going to be dumb but try turning dotiledrops to true
dark nymph
ill try to reproduce
ornate thunder
Hello
dark nymph
I used the rc3 version before updating to the lates 16 build is it? and both had the issue so might be plugin related
seems like it might not be a plugin related issue (rn)
It was because of one of my datapacks. well thats odd
lilac marsh
I'm having trouble updating to Java 17 on Ubuntu, it says updating from a repository is disabled by default because it can't be done securely. How do I enable it?
dapper lotus
I mean
jaunty ivy
sir this is a paper discord
dapper lotus
that message literally makes 0 sense
hot topaz
It seems like theres a memory leak
I have tried the latest version
and it filled 8GB in like 15-20 minutes
cinder locust
and it filled 8GB in like 15-20 minutes
JVM will allocate all memory that you give it, are you sure it's a memory leak? have you looked at a heap dump?
hot topaz
JVM will allocate all memory that you give it, are you sure it's a memory leak? ...
yup, bcs it crashed the server
the RAM was still going up
dapper lotus
I mean, if it actually crashed due to running out of memory, there is a JVM flag for it to create a heap dump when that happens
then you can toss it into an heap analyser
hot topaz
the server is actually on a hosting, so I can ask them or I can try to run it on our dedi
cinder locust
-XX:+HeapDumpOnOutOfMemoryError
hot topaz
I cannot change the startup flags thats the thing
give me one sec, I will just use our test server
dapper lotus
Unless your host can change them for you or you can reproduce it in an env where you an use those flags, we can't do much
cinder locust
doesn't also spark have the ability to produce a heapdump?
dapper lotus
I mean, paper has a command to do it
Kinda useless if you don't have something in the heap to look at
ornate thunder
Am i allowed to ask on average how long it takes for the stable release
cinder locust
nope, no ETA's
ornate thunder
Ok:(
peak pulsar
I'm assuming the 1.18 version is blowing up the RAM usage because there is more chunk data?
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
peak pulsar
Because 6gb dedicated is nothing now
dapper lotus
I mean
more data in chunks eats more memory but it's not really a massive increase afaik
dapper lotus
and you're measuring that how?
normal pecan
his eyeballs 😂
peak pulsar
I'm talking about this
this is 1.17
1.18 is legit the back of bowser
up down up down
dapper lotus
0 context graphs= best graphs
chown the server as the correct user
(and all its files)
peak pulsar
its literally the graph on the ui for paper
peak pulsar
dapper lotus
Yea, but without any form of numbers theres literally 0 context
peak pulsar
6gb is top
normal pecan
yes that is how garbage collection works no?
peak pulsar
0 is bottom
dapper lotus
!kick @ornate thunder spam
wheat heartBOT
:raised_hands: Kicked Andrew1238#1027 (spam) [2 total infractions] -- electronicboy#8869.
peak pulsar
that is 1.17
1.18 is constant ups and downs
its causing the server to lag like crazy
acoustic burrow
anyone have an issue where the server just stops working after a few hours?
peak pulsar
do you have any data for that
wdym
acoustic burrow
No crash log, but server keeps saying can’t keep up before crash
dapper lotus
I mean, basic info, like a timings report, etc
normal pecan
all you’ve shown is a graph of memory usage in 1.17
timid ember
Nice👻
acoustic burrow
Is this a ram issue?
earnest birch
its causing the server to lag like crazy
You're talking about memory usage and garbage collection lag?
acoustic burrow
Does garbage collection make you guys have a lag spike for a few seconds?
dapper lotus
generally, no
unless you're tripping old-gen collections, it's usually sub 1/5th of a second
peak pulsar
I'm asking. Does the 1.18 version require more dedicated ram to the server
normal pecan
Possibly
normal pecan
I mean i dedicate 56gigs to mine so i can’t be much help there
dapper lotus
The game is storing more info per chunk
SO, yea, ofc theres gonna be more memory in play
peak pulsar
The game is storing more info per chunk
yes
dapper lotus
Don't ping
digital slate
Hello dear, by updating the paper.jar do I have to delete or the paper.yml. I have alot of config there, it would be a pain to re-do?
dapper lotus
Y'all are literally the first bunch I've seen to complain about issues with it
peak pulsar
bro you legit are already in chat
haughty crescent
because 6gb isn't working well for it
i've got 12 and it still gets filled up rather quickly, the game just enjoys a hefty meal of RAMen
normal pecan
there’s also legit a button to not ping with a reply
timid ember
1.18 use tooooooooooooooo much memory
dapper lotus
I have sight issues
peak pulsar
there’s also legit a button to not ping with a reply
which i mistakenly did not press
dapper lotus
I ask that people don't ping me because it makes it harder for me to read.
normal pecan
Anyways, i’m sure recommended memory for a 1.17 server was 6gb, but it will probably jump from anywhere between 8-12 for stable instances 1.18
earnest birch
Ah it is not a don't disturb me reason.
dapper lotus
Once again
Y'all are literally the first few people I'm seeing complaining of there being a huge regression here
peak pulsar
Bro it's 4:47am in the morning I don't have the brain for this rn
onyx dagger
Anyways, i’m sure recommended memory for a 1.17 server was 6gb, but it will prob...
oh, and here I was with 4gb
peak pulsar
Wasn't complaining, was asking about it
normal pecan
*oh, and here I was with 4gb*
😆
manic otter
Anyways, i’m sure recommended memory for a 1.17 server was 6gb, but it will prob...
I'm running 1.18 on 4GB just fine
normal pecan
depends what you’re running on it
onyx dagger
but anyway, hi, exactly how unstable is the paper 1.18 right now?
peak pulsar
I'm running 1.18 on 4GB just fine
do your chunks load in fast when you fly around? or do they get stuck
manic otter
Oh I just use Bloom
normal pecan
im talking about a production server with a few plugins
onyx dagger
I'm running 1.18 on 4GB just fine
good
manic otter
do your chunks load in fast when you fly around? or do they get stuck
Pregen your chunks
If you're flying around at godspeed without having anything already generated ofc it will lag
The server is dedicating a 💩 load of it's resources to chunk generating
peak pulsar
its an open survival world. on 1.17 it could have 10 people loading chunks at fast speeds with no issues but now on 1.18 one person (myself) cannot even load my own chunks at normal flying speed
frozen spear
there is a difference between loading and generating chunks
normal pecan
chunk render mode?
peak pulsar
there is a difference between loading and generating chunks
both
peak pulsar
its using all cores
frozen spear
wtf..?
normal pecan
what 😭
visual latch
hot topaz
I just tried spigot and it takes much less RAM than Paper. Seems like the memory leak is just in paper
peak pulsar
chunks already saved to the world file and chunks needed to be generated are both slow
calm depot
its an open survival world. on 1.17 it could have 10 people loading chunks at fa...
Yeah mine does the same thing
onyx dagger
also question, I marked a few areas to keep but I'm gonna delete chunks that people passed by but no one actually settled at,
normal pecan
Threaded is default i believe now, but would most likely cause the issue you’re having
onyx dagger
does anyone know if deleting the files under regions does the trick?
timid ember
its an open survival world. on 1.17 it could have 10 people loading chunks at fa...
No lags on my pc(test without plugins and default settings)
hot topaz
its an open survival world. on 1.17 it could have 10 people loading chunks at fa...
what? I set a render distance to 32 and we were 3 flying.
peak pulsar
which if the 3 render modes are you using for chunks in video settings
what are they called again i would be able to remember if i see the names
hot topaz
everything without any issues
calm depot
The cpu usage spikes when only one person joins
hot topaz
what? I set a render distance to 32 and we were 3 flying.
meant server view distance
normal pecan
what are they called again i would be able to remember if i see the names
I forget the exact name of the other two, i think its like full blocking and semi blocking
wraith kindle
Do we know approximately when the official version will arrive?
hot topaz
no eta
calm depot
Do we know approximately when the official version will arrive?
no.
normal pecan
I forget the exact name of the other two, i think its like full blocking and sem...
you can see mini descriptions of each in the menu
peak pulsar
you can see mini descriptions of each in the menu
I'm certain it's not Minecraft loading the chunks slow I think its the actual server because the tps drops when i load chunks
threaded though
torn temple
I'm certain it's not Minecraft loading the chunks slow I think its the actual se...
In my case the TPS stay at 20 but chunk loading are slow, Paper #18
I think is Minecraft that are not optimized, this problem are in some 1.18 client, maybe we can predict a fix in 1.18.1
fervent lynx
chunk gen and loading are async so they can be slow without the server TPS being affected
peak pulsar
my brain is too dead for this rn
torn temple
chunk gen and loading are async so they can be slow without the server TPS being...
Do you mean async-chunk-write in server config?
tired timber
Guys, I managed to do optimization. RAM usage at 1.18 with my flags +-800mb.
languid shuttle
Guys, I managed to do optimization. RAM usage at 1.18 with my flags +-800mb.
give flags in dms then sir
tired timber
give flags in dms then sir
visual latch
I thought it was just chunk loading that was async, not gen
tired timber
aikar's flags are essentially useless because it uses G1GC, which is obsolete at the moment. comparing with other garbage collectors, the best one is ParalellGC (probably, but I used ParalellGC in my flags)
gray grove
I thought it was just chunk loading that was async, not gen
Isnt gen now also async?
visual latch
🤷♂️
dapper lotus
Now you're talking complete shit
fervent lynx
Isnt gen now also async?
world gen has been async for years
gray grove
So was the only thing that changed the num of max threads for the bg threadpool
tired timber
Now you're talking complete shit
okay, but for Minecraft servers - it's not a very good, in my opinion.
dapper lotus
G1 has literally been the gold standard for many years now
proper fjord
Hey so just reset server with 1.18 – anyone know how to fix the issues with render distance? Server has 0 lag and tps at 20 so it isn’t an issue with the server not loading the chunks in. View-distance was originally at 5 but I increased it to 10 and still have the exact same issue – it renders in about 1 chunk around the player and then has a really thick fog over everything past that one chunk. Sorry if this is a really dumb issue that is easy to solve - really bad with server software
dapper lotus
Like, oracle literally moved away from parallel GC towards G1 being the default
think it was PGC that they moved from
fervent lynx
So was the only thing that changed the num of max threads for the bg threadpool
beyond the actual terrain being rewritten, as far as I'm aware, yes
gray grove
Ah
tired timber
G1 has literally been the gold standard for many years now
but other garbage collectors are better, these are just tests. 
dapper lotus
I mean, you're literally showing 0 proof of that
tired timber
I mean, you're literally showing 0 proof of that
Okay, I can show you tests, but a little later.
dapper lotus
stop mentioning
tired timber
stop mentioning
sorry for that
vivid bluff
ZGC. 
tired timber
ZGC. <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
oh no...
vivid bluff
Just set IntelJccErratumMitigation and call it a day.
tepid canyon
sorry for that
Prolly also kinda useless to use reply to reply to the message just above the one you're sending
restive garden
Hi, thanks to this channel the patch process starts in 1.18#18
But there is no patched jar in /cache:
/opt/openjdk-17/bin/java -Dpaperclip.patchonly=true -jar /opt/minecraft/paperclip.jar; exit 0
Downloading mojang_1.18.jar
Applying patches
But there is no jar with "patched" in the filename and I think it did not work. Any idea what has changed in 1.18? Or is this a bug?I use docker btw.
dapper lotus
Yea, the entire bundling system changed
you can no longer run the patched jar directly, you need to start paperclip
restive garden
ok, that means I have to do what? Just java /opt/minecraft/paperspigot.jar ?
dapper lotus
I mean, basically, the patchonly stuff for the most point now is a waste of time
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
peak pulsar
does paper still have no-tick view distnace or is it replaced with simulation distance?
fervent lynx
no tick is currently not in paper 1.18 builds, simulation distance is what you'll want to use for now
peak pulsar
worse or better?
dapper lotus
and, well, apparently the lef system is better here
peak pulsar
lef?
dapper lotus
Why the fuck would we talk about ripping out mojangs system if their implemented something that was better than ours?
peak pulsar
i havent read this
spark river
I just had a complete crash, something to do with interpreting chunk data
At least a thousand line dump by my guesstimate
feral spire
.paste
spark river
Looking at the dump, it's clearly something beyond my knowledge and doesn't look plugin related. Here's the logfile.
vivid ironBOT
2021-12-01-1.log by @spark river: https://paste.gg/a2290191f99246498764c6c7df870ccc
spark river
It was current as of when I started the runtime, give me some slack.
And the disk is fine, thought of that too
dapper lotus
your OS was stick behind creating a temp file?
spark river
I'm not sure what happened but the disk isn't busy and after the restart all the plugins are complaining about corrupted data
strange umbra
On 1.18 why am i seeing fog surrounding me. I saw other reports but that was with via version. I do have via version on the proxy but im 1.18 client on a 1.18 server
spark river
I'm just going to reload my backed up configs and update my build, but something had to have happened
feral spire
Coz it was stuck creating temp file and wasn’t able to
dapper lotus
Because 1.18 added fog
feral spire
On 1.18 why am i seeing fog surrounding me. I saw other reports but that was wit...
Read #paper-help
dapper lotus
increase view distance.
spark river
...yes, so your view distance is actually 8
strange umbra
They force fog?
feral spire
Yes it’s been gone over in paper help bumble. Like 5 minute ago
peak pulsar
It was a long time bug with servers not showing fog on render distance, worked fine in SP. They now fixed that
outer orchid
...yes, so your view distance is actually 8
is it really 8 then? i thought you keep more loaded when going in one direction. so you can look further backwards.
fervent lynx
the client respects the servers view distance in 1.18, but it also is now a circle instead of a square, so you end up with more fog since it's like a cone around you
normal zephyr
the client respects the servers view distance in 1.18, but it also is now a circ...
stupid decision 😦
strange umbra
Yea it looks ass
normal zephyr
it was cool when player had 12-16 render distance and server had 6, mojang did shit
outer orchid
so the client always lowers it now to match the server one?
normal zephyr
and their notickviewdistance will still use ressources, even if it's less
strange umbra
Going to have to hava no tick further than last season to compensate When thats readded xd
fervent lynx
I am surprised though I guess that there's still not a toggle in vanilla for the fog effect, seems like a popular mod that a lot of people use with optifine, sodium, etc
strange umbra
I am surprised though I guess that there's still not a toggle in vanilla for the...
Nope :(. If there was then it would be fine
But objectively making the game look worse for everyone is. Not cool b r o
spark river
Ironically updating paper seemed to fix the corrupted plugin config issue. Whatever I guess.
peak pulsar
<@321976452180344832> use no fog
Might even be possible to do with a server plugin
outer orchid
But objectively making the game look worse for everyone is. Not cool b r o
doesnt look different for me. so im curious how it looks for others now to find good settings for the server
raw glen
I am surprised though I guess that there's still not a toggle in vanilla for the...
The fog really bothers me in vanilla
strange umbra
Random off related topic. How the hell is my tab bar from my other server under velocity showing on this 1.18 server with no tab plugin. And the tab plugin doesnt even run on velocity o.o
fervent lynx
it bothers me a lot too and always has, but I never use the vanilla client so I haven't played with fog for a long time lol
raw glen
It doesnt remove the tab header and footer when you switch servers
You have to manually set it back to default when you join a new server on the network
strange umbra
Fair. None issue anyway :D.
dapper lotus
do they at least reset it now when you disconnect?
raw glen
yeah
dapper lotus
oh, nice
somber marten
I had the view distance set to 2 chunks and no tick set to 10 and i was confused af when I updated to 1.18 cuz i saw hella fog then realized there’s simulation distance now
hexed panther
is htere a 1.18 paper api? i cant find it
hexed panther
is it good to go yh?
grave charm
The api? Yeah it should be fine
fervent lynx
Yea it looks ass
wow it really does look awful, all I did was turn fog off between the two pictures
hexed panther
like in terms of my current setup: 6 view distanc, 10 no tick view distnce
somber marten
also wtf is simulation distance?
ticking chunks
hexed panther
what should my simulation distnace bee?
raw glen
It's no tick render distance replacement
somber marten
View distance is no tick now basically
hexed panther
so is this replacing no tick then?
somber marten
Yeah
hexed panther
and this is by official mojang now?
raw glen
what should my simulation distnace bee?
a little lower than the max render distance in your server properties
somber marten
Yeah
hot topaz
guys but 1.18 performance is sick
somber marten
Yeah
raw glen
depends on how much you wanna optimise
spark river
16 has been solid for me
somber marten
Might raise simulation distance
hot topaz
it's the best update I have ever seen so far
raw glen
Yup
hot topaz
they really optimized Minecraft
finally
it only takes much more RAM now
~3GB for client
outer orchid
what was it in the past? i never used the default
spark river
I'd rather have more ram usage since that's fairly easy to accommodate
feral spire
RAM is cheap
hot topaz
I'd rather have more ram usage since that's fairly easy to accommodate
ye but the server took under 1GB ram before
and now it takes 3GB+
without players
hot topaz
huh
feral spire
installation > custom flag > add Xmx=1G and see
spark river
ye but the server took under 1GB ram before
I'll be honest, I'm biased since I always have about 40GB of RAM just sitting there doing nothing
I have it for those rare occasions I actually need to do something needing 48GB
outer orchid
That guy who bought the Mac Pro and has 1.5 TB of RAM
actually thought about my 768gb ram on wishlist when i read that ram is cheap. sadly it isnt that cheap in that amounts
hollow wind
200 players
outer orchid
got my server quite cheap, but someone thought its funny to use 32x 4 gb for it that i need to replace 
terse hamlet
32 4gb?
hot topaz
200 players
ye
terse hamlet
what motherboard has 32 ram slots
terse hamlet
languid lodge
what motherboard has 32 ram slots
server motherboard
hot topaz
without
outer orchid
well, actually just kinda 16 slots, per cpu 
hot topaz
why fake players? o.o
hollow wind
why fake players? o.o
Good question
spark river
why fake players? o.o
lots of people like to inflate the player count... no idea why because its pretty obvious once you join there's no real people on
hot topaz
bruh
hollow wind
1.18 should be finally able to handle 200 players
1.18 is more heavy than 1.17 so...
glad vapor
Does PaperMC 1.18 affect worldgen in any way/make worlds generate differently vs a vanilla server?
spark river
Does PaperMC 1.18 affect worldgen in any way/make worlds generate differently vs...
I don't think so
hot topaz
and it's better
feral spire
Does PaperMC 1.18 affect worldgen in any way/make worlds generate differently vs...
It’s optional
outer orchid
Does PaperMC 1.18 affect worldgen in any way/make worlds generate differently vs...
my tests so far say no, seems the same
feral spire
If you want
hollow wind
and it's better
Better mmmm idk dude, on my test server 1.17 works better
hot topaz
how did you test it?
strange umbra
I am surprised though I guess that there's still not a toggle in vanilla for the...
hot topaz
I cannot 100% test it rn, because we need to update our plugins first
hollow wind
how did you test it?
Latest paper, no plugin installed
just fly around the map and you'll see the chunk loading is slower than 1.17
hidden cargo
was client render distance 32?
hot topaz
yes
hidden cargo
also hi larky
hot topaz
hi
feral spire
You do realize view distance is differnt now in 1.18?
hot topaz
yup
fervent lynx
you can disable fog with sodium if you also install sodium extra (a separate mod)
hollow wind
Someone here made the same test yesterday with ryzen 3950x and he said 1.18 is heavier of 30%
feral spire
It’s more like old no-tick so Ofcoz it won’t be compare to using view distance 32 in 1.17
hot topaz
the chunks we're loading much faster for me
hollow wind
We have set view distance to 32
32? O_o
hot topaz
It’s more like old no-tick so Ofcoz it won’t be compare to using view distance 3...
I used 4 chunks on 1.16
hidden cargo
so basically what im hearing
hollow wind
You're crazy
hidden cargo
1.18 isnt optimized like shit?
hidden cargo
its a miracle
magic narwhal
Performance for me is better on multiplayer than 1.17 but worse on singleplayer
hollow wind
I am testing it on Linux without aikar flags
Ooof course
hidden cargo
im inclined to believe larky based on what ik on him
lethal orbit
I do tend to be in Larkyy's camp, Feels a lot smoother than 1.17
feral spire
I’d like to see your screenshot of you in vanilla client with 32 client code distance @hot topaz
hot topaz
yes
outer orchid
i tested view distance of 25 with simulation distance of 21 and it also perfectly worked. not sure about going higher
hot topaz
I’d like to see your screenshot of you in vanilla client with 32 client code dis...
had OF
hot topaz
With 1000 FPS
of course I didn't have 1000fps with render set to 32
lmao
I had 140fps with render set to 32
hollow wind
im inclined to believe larky based on what ik on him
200 players on, 32 view distance without aikar flags, 1000 fps. Yes it's true. My cousin said that
spark river
With 1000 FPS
you forget to stipulate not like 10,000 blocks in the air
feral spire
Reading what you said above is kinda misleading
hot topaz
200 players on, 32 view distance without aikar flags, 1000 fps. Yes it's true. M...
bruh
I didn't say that there were 200 players
we were just 3 and flying around the world with max view distance
and rendering the map
everything without lags
and still 20tps
hidden cargo
Yeah my Samsung Fridge can do that with 3 player too
debatable
lethal orbit
if emeory serves 1.17 was horrendous when generating chunks, isn't this a win if it feels better?
spark river
I just pre-generated all the chunks 🤷♂️
outer orchid
just a question before i go to sleep, whats the stuff with entity broadcast range? i mean, its obvious what it does, but im totally not sure what to set there. cant imagine the impact and usefulness of different values
hollow wind
I just pre-generated all the chunks 🤷♂️
Radius? And how many gb is your map?
hot topaz
good question
spark river
I just did about a 10k radius
hollow wind
I just did about a 10k radius
How many gb?
spark river
5.54GiB
magic narwhal
Thats a lot of GB
spark river
what
hot topaz
o.o
mossy wigeon
It’s a ton of small region files tbh
Backing up the server takes a extremely long time
mossy wigeon
I’ve checked the region files, there’s no real big regions, most of them are KB
hidden cargo
that sounds like GC nightmare
why use 70gb on a server
just cause you can doesnt mean you should
hot topaz
imagine doing backups
uneven pagoda
Maybe this already asked, but is no-tick-distance planned to be re-added to paper 1.18? Or simulation-distance was replaced it and we can don't wait?
hot topaz
hm
mossy wigeon
Maybe this already asked, but is no-tick-distance planned to be re-added to pape...
It’s already in 1.17, Wydm
dapper lotus
and then 1.18 came
hot topaz
uneven pagoda
I'm just don't understand what the diff between n-t-v-d and s-d
dapper lotus
and it was removed because the patch didn't apply
one was done by leaf, the other was done by mojang
feral spire
I'm just don't understand what the diff between n-t-v-d and s-d
Simulated view distance is TICKING distance
timid ember
Maybe this already asked, but is no-tick-distance planned to be re-added to pape...
Now view-distance is no-tick and simulation is tick view distance
mossy wigeon
One of the best patches didn’t apply 
timid ember
As i understand
feral spire
View distance is kinda like no-tick but a bit different @uneven pagoda
mossy wigeon
I could set my servers no tick distance to 32 and my server wouldn’t explode, can’t say the same about regular render distance though
viscid lily
simulated-view distance is ticking view distance? So why this is exists? Which purpose it has?
dapper lotus
wat
feral spire
Read its name?
mossy wigeon
one was done by leaf, the other was done by mojang
OHH so we trust Mojang or leaf
dapper lotus
it's literally the exact same concept as no-tick
outer orchid
why use 70gb on a server
Why not? I use 40-46gb for my client 
dapper lotus
simuated distance is the area in which the simulation of the world occurs
mossy wigeon
Oh ok
valid ether
is there any free anticheat for 1.18?
mossy wigeon
Why not? I use 40-46gb for my client <:sip:538468797313581069>
What?
uneven pagoda
Sorry, maybe I said it wrong, but:
in 1.17 I have v-d (view-distance): 5 and n-t-v-d (no-tick-view-distance): 10
currently in 1.18 I have s-d (simulation-distance): 5 and v-d: 10
I think that s-d in 1.18 is the same as n-t-v-d in 1.17, so I meant that I don't understand, what the diff between it and for why n-t-v-d will be re-added
mossy wigeon
is there any free anticheat for 1.18?
don’t use it in production
viscid lily
okay, I do not understand it at all. Someone upper told that simulated view distance is ticking. Then you tell that this is non ticking
mossy wigeon
And you won’t be looking for a 1.18 anti cheat
dapper lotus
This is not a hard concept
view distance is the distance in which you view
simatulation distance is the distance which actually ticks
i.e. view distance = no tick
sim distance = view distance
uneven pagoda
Ye
feral spire
Sorry, maybe I said it wrong, but:
in 1.17 I have `v-d (view-distance)`: 5 and `...
Your second paragraph is wrong
uneven pagoda
Can you please tell me about my mistakes more detailed or where I can read about? thanks
Oh stop
I meant
I think that s-d LOWER than v-d in 1.18 is the same as n-t-v-d HIGHER than v-d in 1.17, so I meant that I don't understand, what the diff between it and for why n-t-v-d will be re-added
feral spire
implementation and performance
uneven pagoda
Sorry because English is not my native language and sometimes I can't correctly say what I think
But thanks for explanation
lethal warren
So I take it that 1.18-19 is "stable enough" to start using in production with regular backups/updates?
I've been running it locally for a couple hours no issues
torn temple
I've been running it locally for a couple hours no issues
How is the chunk loading / generating speed in this build?
lethal warren
How is the chunk loading / generating speed in this build?
Hard to tell since I am running locally vs a server, it didn't seem to act differently than 1.17 did locally
terse hamlet
1.19? huh
dense river
I really should have added that blinking warning....
terse hamlet
I see version 19
lethal warren
I have read the announcement, I'm willing and able to deal with consequences though
onyx fox
I really should have added that blinking warning....
and sirens sounds (?
lethal warren
I can run full backups at will and on schedule
torn temple
I see version 19
Build 19 of Paper 1.18
hasty grail
aurora, add a popup, a captcha, the blinking warning and perhaps play a sound effect saying "warning"
peak pulsar
I really should have added that blinking warning....
while you're at it, add my change to the legacy page ;)
loud grail
!eta
upbeat stump
YMMV, but i'm running build 19 on my server using various spigot / bukkit plugins (some old) and i've had no issues so far. it's running like a champ!
great work devs :^)
steel heart
YMMV, but i'm running build 19 on my server using various spigot / bukkit plugin...
i'll take this as the official announcement that everything is working as planned and to move this over to my production server
thanks!
loud grail
prob not thee smartest thing
wise vine
sarcasm, obviously
peak pulsar
any program suggestions to code plugins/skripts ?
wise vine
java
warped sleet
This is #❗-1-18-experimental ...
wise vine
also backups should be mandatory anyway, not just on experimental
people whodont run backups on prod are weird
peak pulsar
most plugins aren't updated to 1.18 yet right?
wooden fable
I have noticed that when I set Attribute.GENERIC_MAX_HEALTH to player higher or lower than 10, and when the person respawns, the hearts set from 10 to the value after like a second, that's really weird
wise vine
some dont need to be, but if the plugin dev doesnt say 1.18 compat, then it isnt tested
spark river
Keeping backups is great, but do you ever wipe it and restore from the backup to see if it works?
wise vine
in dev every now and then, no need to bring down prod to test a backup
outer orchid
I have read the announcement, I'm willing and able to deal with consequences tho...
Im camping here and take whatever version is out and works on friday afternoon 
we sucessfully used snapshots on live server updating it every few days. So this version here cant be that worse not even other players need to update this time and its just server
wise vine
but yea, never trust your backups, verify
spark river
It's just illustrating that even though plenty of people do backups, how many of them have confirmed they actually work
wise vine
someone should make a wiki page on good prod/dev/backup practice so the world can ignore it
loud grail
hes takling bout a programm.. like inteliJ
wise vine
thats a language
the joke was "make a plugin", if he listed skript, i doubt it was in regards to an IDE
loud grail
i guess yeh
lethal warren
Don't tarnish IntelliJ with Skript >.>
outer orchid
someone should make a wiki page on good prod/dev/backup practice so the world ca...
Run server on at least 7 raid 0 hdds to surpass ssd speed and avoid doing backups because unnecessary disk usage
loud grail
he probably looking at yotube tutorials and looking for a program that can do fance highliting and code completion
wise vine
that said... Skript or TriggerReactor i guess? i;m sure there's some other scripting plugins
lethal warren
Also this is all super off-topic
wise vine
true, shame on all of us
lethal warren
skript has nothing to do with the 1.18 builds
peak pulsar
tbh 1.18 is like 1.17 lol
upbeat stump
people whodont run backups on prod are weird
i didn't bother using a backup since it's a private casual server with a new map
if there's a chance it can break things it's all good, i know it's an experimental build
that being said, are any sort of caves supposed to spawn in deepslate, or not until the wild update?
vapid prawn
It's supposed to have normal caves and caverns and geodes and such, yeah
Wild update is like some underground villages or something
That's a separate thing
upbeat stump
interesting. i guess i got unlucky in my usual stripmine down to bedrock this time, didn't hit anything
i'll keep looking
vapid prawn
Mixed up words there 😄
upbeat stump
i switched from spigot to paperMC and my server startup takes literally 1/6 the time. i have no idea why but i'm going to celebrate that
deft fog
Hi guys! I'm not that long in PaperMC, and so I wanted to ask if there is an approximate time frame when the Paper developers will be able to create a stable build 1.18? Judging by their old experience 🙂
half walrusBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
vapid prawn
i switched from spigot to paperMC and my server startup takes literally 1/6 the ...
Probably because spawn chunks are loaded async
vapid prawn
Hi guys! I'm not that long in **PaperMC**, and so I wanted to ask if there is an...
Every release is different, you can't really say based on past ones
cedar yew
it all depends on how much and what was changed from the past version
so its always different
vapid prawn
Sometimes it looks like a lot changed to a player but the code didn't change much, or not in ways that Paper interacts with. Other times they rewrite some functionality in the server without even really talking about it much and there might not be any visible change to users
upbeat stump
Probably because spawn chunks are loaded async
yeah, that's definitely the step that i noticed happens almost immediately. the 'preparing spawn area' bit
vapid prawn
But Paper has to rewrite all of their stuff that works with it or possibly throw their stuff out entirely
upbeat stump
previously it would take like 2 minutes total for my different worlds i have loaded
fallow brook
Anyone else having issues with the spawn rates thinking I reimput the jar and try again
junior gorge
how does the experimental jar run? pretty well or what?
quick glacier
How's build 19 holding up? Anyone running it?
fallow brook
Lol I was still on 10 well that fixed that issue
quick glacier
Any noticable bugs or the like?
quick glacier
Copy that. I've made a backup just in case
plush fog
Copy that. I've made a backup just in case
just did the same
seems to be running really well
hexed panther
whats this setting? ive never seen it before this.
cant find it in the config documentation either
uneven pagoda
long edge
