❗-1-18-experimental

[mossy wigeon]

All these experimental builds are for you to experiment why ask instead of just doing

[bronze plover]

we're just having some fun, apologies if my message came off as too mean spirited. at this point, since some of these builds are brand spankin new, it might be worth to try out some of that stuff yourself

[west bone]

Could have stopped telling me to stop :(

30 second slowmode?

[mellow belfry]

yeah, I just thought maybe someone else had tried etc and not waste my time, thanks though

[dark wigeon]

ctrl+f, WorldEdit, enter

[still citrus]

how bout we just cool our jets for a bit

[rustic quarry]

Is it okay if I PR even if it isn't rebased? I don't know if there's an easy way to do it and I'm kind of lazy to rebase the whole thing in my fork

[coarse saffron]

all new PRs need to be rebased onto 1.18

well, all PRs at all

[dense river]

We won't close it, but we probably won't merge it that soon either

[vague falcon]

BRUH

[turbid slate]

Omg lol

[coarse saffron]

!kick @jagged spindle no ETAs, that will never change no matter what happens

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Kicked Cobo#4013 (no ETAs, that will never change no matter what happens) [1 total infraction] -- DenWav#1989.

[primal shadow]

is the issue where the server freezes 15-30 seconds after startup known about? (1.18 builds)

[dapper lotus]

literally never heard of it

[primal shadow]

ok

[lusty flicker]

lets goo paper out

i tested our plugins and only 3 out of 40 died

[primal shadow]

should i make a github issue?

[little parrot]

just switched from a vanilla .jar to the latest experimental, no issues so far

[dense river]

Please do

[still sparrow]

Build #10 of Paper for 1.18 was just published - if you're testing an older build, don't be alarmed if you find it doesn't exist for download anymore

[vapid oar]

just got build 8 up and running to test but alright

[uneven pagoda]

Could someone please help me with updating this custom dimension settings to 1.18? Currently I'm getting WorldGenSettings: Unknown registry key in ResourceKey[minecraft:root / minecraft:worldgen/biome_source]: minecraft:vanilla_layered and don't know what to change because mc wiki isn't updated, so I can't properly run my test server

{
    "type": "minecraft:overworld",
    "generator": {
        "type": "minecraft:noise",
        "seed": 111,
        "settings": "minecraft:overworld",
        "biome_source": {
            "type": "minecraft:vanilla_layered",
            "seed": 101,
            "large_biomes": false
        }
    }
}

[gusty trench]

It's iffy on this release, try on Spigot

There are issues being inherited from there, I'm gathering info

[primal shadow]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6959

[valid turret]

Worldedit is still not supported for 1.18 😦

[peak pulsar]

"still" lmao

it's been a couple of days

[feral spire]

its supported now. Check again.

[peak pulsar]

is it stable now?

[dapper lotus]

Read.

[feral spire]

NO

[dapper lotus]

WE has snapshot builds

[valid turret]

https://builds.enginehub.org/job/worldedit/19015 you mean this build?

[peak pulsar]

when do you expect it to get stable?

[dapper lotus]

There is no eta.

[split atlas]

If I spin up a Vanilla 1.18 official server, once Paper is more stable/official builds, I can just swap from official to Paper, right?

[dapper lotus]

Yes.

[proud zenith]

Hmm, is paperweight userdev already working on 1.18 (not sure if its already known/should I report it)? Getting this error when using the version 1.18-R.0.1-SNAPSHOT https://paste.fvdh.dev/yuyajowomo.apache

[hollow sparrow]

hi all, does somebody know if dynmap is supported for 1.18 spigot/paper

[bronze plover]

sometime before the heat death of the universe

[cloud phoenix]

the dynmap devs do lol

[valid turret]

yeah i downloaded the newest version of WorldEdit but i cant do the commands "//replace" oder "//set"

[dapper lotus]

Once again, snapshot

[proud zenith]

you probably should report this to WE then

[dapper lotus]

You need a build from the 1.18 branch

They've literally already got snapshot builds out on the orrect branch

[gilded ice]

Server admins are hungry

[valid turret]

sorry im dumb

[dapper lotus]

then maybe you shouldn't be running early releases.

[bronze linden]

sorry, we're hungover

[gilded ice]

I'm hungry too but I prefer don't talking

[scarlet flax]

How's the RAM/CPU usage looking compared to 1.17.1?

[dark wigeon]

Bad

[raven musk]

any bugs yet with 1.18?

[vague falcon]

no, and that's not a good thing

[bronze plover]

yeah, for some reason the "disable ETA questions" flag doesn't work with the latest build

[inland hornet]

running 1.18 atm

no issues so far

only using geyser & floodgate though as plugins

[raven musk]

damn the dupes gonna be real or what

[vague falcon]

based plugins

sure hope theres no dupes

[raven musk]

same

[fervent stream]

running 1.18 with essentialsx and im not seeing any issues so far

[wheat sequoia]

Hi
when is paper 1.18 coming out?

[dark wigeon]

Lol

[granite sparrow]

Bruh

[dark wigeon]

Read pins

[hollow wind]

today, now, apri il sito, fast fast

[wheat sequoia]

But it says not to use it

[fervent stream]

theres no eta right now

all u can do is wait

[wheat sequoia]

oh

[bronze plover]

if the message to not use it is enough to stop you from using it, then there is no release right now for you to use

[fervent stream]

you can test it on your server, but it isnt stable for now, so you will need to wait for a stable release of paper in order to safely use it in servers

[real bolt]

One Trillion years sorry

[hollow wind]

because are early builds so they can have errors/bugs/issues

[thorny charm]

where can i get build 10? download website stops at 8

[wheat sequoia]

Is it bad enough to delete a world or something?

[bronze plover]

if you want to use it rn, be sure to make a backup of all your server-related stuff

[dapper lotus]

Force refresh the page

[real bolt]

It can corrupt it

[wheat sequoia]

oh

[granite sparrow]

I love corruption

[thorny charm]

thanks

[bronze plover]

and some issues might not be known yet, hence why it's a use at your own risk type of thing

[dapper lotus]

These are early builds, who knows, maybe it'll kill your cat

[granite sparrow]

NOO

[peak pulsar]

doing async pregen on #10 my cat is currently alive

[wheat sequoia]

NOOOOO

[real bolt]

If it helps the 1.17 paper version took 5 days to become stable I believe

1.18 is a bigger update though

[autumn comet]

No, this does not help

[wheat sequoia]

welp there goes my plan to get my players back

[real bolt]

Oh ok my bad

[bronze plover]

If you are down bad enough, you can make a backup of your current stuff, run it on the early builds available now, and make it clear to the players that worst case, they may lose their progress up to wherever you took the backup

[white robin]

@covert jolt someone fucked everyone with oversized data again

[radiant frigate]

If your community cant survive waiting, you have bigger problems

[west bone]

iS tHeRe a EtA?

guys shut

[covert jolt]

@sick hearth see

[covert jolt]

if you /stop the server it'll reset the world

[dapper lotus]

!kick 419754823815266304 eta troll

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Kicked Zachary#9667 (eta troll) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.

[sick hearth]

Michael my beloved

[west bone]

sorry :(

[wheat sequoia]

I've been slowly losing my community for the last 2 months

[sick hearth]

michael you should set up grafana™️

[wheat sequoia]

I only have about 4 admins and 1 player who still actively play

[ocean copper]

go shoot vanu

[west bone]

Same, i had to shut down and wait for 1.18

[radiant frigate]

Hey its that guy

[peak pulsar]

cringe

[west bone]

On paper? Yes

[pliant verge]

Minecraft is a game that people play and then take a break from. But they always come back. Maybe try getting new player so you have a constant stream of new player that should also help a lot

[west bone]

Is srv updated to 1.18?

[still lily]

Join their Discord for any updates.

[autumn comet]

Better check with the corresponding sources, this ain't no general is-plugin-xy-updated channel

[west bone]

why, would you ask about a plugin in paper?

[bronze plover]

damn, sorry to hear that. if your priority right now is to get something running for your players rather than having it be stable, then you can try using the early builds after making a backup and making it clear to your players/admins that in the worst case, you may need to revert back to the backup

[wheat sequoia]

well I didn't think about updating plugins and paper when I thought about this idea but my idea was to make a video for my server a few minutes after 1.18 comes out and bring in loads of new players

[west bone]

ask the developers of discordsrv

[arctic oracle]

i know the build is unstable, but is it "stable enough" to render a world for later use? takes forever...

[wheat sequoia]

ok does Apex backups backup the Multiverse worlds too?

[autumn comet]

Ask them

[bronze plover]

I've never used Apex, you'll have to ask them/look up stuff

[wheat sequoia]

ok

[west bone]

Hi

[bronze plover]

I've only really ever done bare metal hosting

[sacred pond]

when 1.18 paper release?

[autumn comet]

#announcements

[valid turret]

how is it possible that every person is asking the same question wtf

[timber ridge]

People don’t read.

[livid sleet]

lol hopefully the build is stable enough to be updated to the 1.18 release so I can pre-gen the world lol

[bronze plover]

worldwide case of broken scrollwheels

[dawn cedar]

hey

[valid turret]

speaking facts tho

[inner crypt]

!warn @sacred pond eta asking isn't funny

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Warned DDAMAJED#8754 (eta asking isn't funny) [2 total infractions] -- MiniDigger#3086.

[sacred pond]

why

[livid sleet]

lol

[dawn cedar]

Are 1.17 plugins compatible with 1.18 @inner crypt

[peak pulsar]

lmaoo

[sacred pond]

its not about funny

[unique basin]

has the paperweight-userdev workflow changed in 1.18? it doesn't seem to be mapping
using:

build {
  dependsOn(reobfJar)
}

[sacred pond]

it's about knowing

[unique basin]

is it a different task

[peak pulsar]

LMAOo

[arctic oracle]

thats what i am testing

[autumn comet]

Check with the individual plugin, there is no generic answer

[still lily]

Yes there is. You can find it on their spigot page.

[peak pulsar]

poor paper devs

[valid turret]

true 😦

[peak pulsar]

the downside of open source and free software 👍

[west bone]

THERE IS NO ETA

[inner crypt]

you can donate to make us feel better 😄

[valid turret]

there is no eta

[shut flax]

NO ETA.

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[worthy thunder]

does this work by simply starting the generation task? 🤔

[west bone]

SHUR UP ABOUT ETAS

[autumn comet]

I gave kenni 5 subs

[inner crypt]

idk if people are just stupid or trolls

[unique basin]

both

[peak pulsar]

or both

prepare to get yyeted

[autumn comet]

!kick 446043535750332452 eta troll

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Kicked Philip#0926 (eta troll) [1 total infraction] -- NotMyFault#3732.

[peak pulsar]

mainly stupid and they are also little kids

[inner crypt]

!kick @tawdry pelican its out

[valid turret]

okey this is a troll

[peak pulsar]

jesus I can't type

[still lily]

Definitely both

[dawn cedar]

Are 1.17 plugins compatible with 1.18 @inner crypt

[valid turret]

you cant say it

[peak pulsar]

keep pinging him 👍

[west bone]

They MIGHT be

[autumn comet]

Read above, I told you

[cinder locust]

nmf already responded to you

[valid turret]

you need to test it

[split solar]

So how is the experimental doing with existing worlds. Are regions/chunks upgraded on use, or must some process run that upgrades everything?

[dense river]

They are upgraded

[bronze plover]

that depends on the plugins

[dense river]

automatically

[brave tide]

Having trouble finding a download for the experimental version. Where do I go?

[dense river]

on our homepage

[dapper lotus]

literally the downloads page

force refresh.

[bronze plover]

(ctrl+f5 to force refresh)

[gentle carbon]

Or fn+f5 on Firefox

[dense river]

df is fn

ctrl f5 works fine in firefox

[gentle carbon]

It does? Didn’t know that

[bronze plover]

its still ctrl+f5 on firefox, fn would just be on macs or whatever

[gentle carbon]

I’ve just used fn+f5 lol

[brave tide]

Oh, now it shows up lol.

[dapper lotus]

fn is for the F keys

[gentle carbon]

Ah, I’m on mac that would be why

[upper gale]

same new version is not there

[dapper lotus]

Read.

[brave tide]

Fn is for if you are on a laptop like I currently am

[dapper lotus]

!ban @tawdry pelican Repeated ETA requests

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Banned Philip#0926 (Repeated ETA requests) [2 total infractions] -- electronicboy#8869.

[timber ridge]

RIP

[valid turret]

thanks for this ban

[west bone]

people be like:
So this is a server for papermc

Also them: how to bake cookies!?!

[bronze plover]

press ctrl+f5

[gentle carbon]

How else are they supposed to know how to bake cookies? /j

[unique basin]

Bug: Server#removeRecipe doesn't work

[upper gale]

as soon as you said that it worked

[brave tide]

I plan on launching a new world with 1.18 so I could provide some input potentially. I know a lot of people are talking about updating from existing worlds. I'm not doing that though

[bronze plover]

what can I say, I'm just that good 😎

[arctic oracle]

is it still #10 or is there a new one im not seeing?

[valid turret]

no it is still #10

[dapper lotus]

If there is a new one it will be on the page.

[arctic oracle]

thats only if my ISP actually listens to the new page request and doesn't send me a cache anyway >.>

[livid sleet]

i loaded on the jar with 1-18 and it looks like the negative is -63

[sage glen]

on some laptops functions keys require using Fn. By default they might change volume etc.
so Fn+F5 on some laptops is the same as just F5 on PC

and if you want to force refresh, then press ctrl+Fn+F5

[west bone]

Spigot with 2 players no plugins

[livid sleet]

err y value*

[upper gale]

da fuk

[valid turret]

Spigot or Paper?

[west bone]

I just… said… spigot

[dapper lotus]

I mean, looking at the memory usage of the JVM is basically useless

[peak pulsar]

high ram usage doesnt mean anything

[sage glen]

with https it wouldn't be possible, unless you installed their CA cert

[valid turret]

yeah then it is no the problem of this discord

[west bone]

but its fun to crap on spigot

[tired whale]

Are you specifying 7gb? If so, it’ll use 7, right?

[bronze plover]

jvm will use as much memory as you give it, you can set it to have 4gb and it would work just as well with 2 players

[west bone]

Paper supremacy

[gentle carbon]

If the -xms and -Xmx are the same(which they should be Unless you’re on pterodactyl) it’ll use all of it and say it’s using all of the ram

[peak pulsar]

there is nothing funny about that screenshot 🤨

[arctic oracle]

half my province is underwater, a lot of pages just 404 right now

[hollow wind]

Bioshock

[west bone]

[dapper lotus]

unless you're on ptero

being on ptero is all the more reason for Xmx == Xms

[bronze plover]

storing "paper" in a string takes less memory than "spigot", checkmate

[dapper lotus]

big issue is that most hosts are configured to crash by default

[arctic oracle]

^

[sage glen]

I've played with 3,5 GB on my Raspberry Pi with view-distance=16 with 3-4 other people and it was working fine 😄

[sage glen]

ohhh :/

[gentle carbon]

Isn’t it one less on xms so it doesn’t crash for ptero?

Or am ╎ remembering wrong

[arctic oracle]

anybody got a start script for a windows host for 1.18? dont want to go digging through backups

[autumn comet]

.startmc does

[arctic oracle]

also possibly stupid question but i need to have java17 natively installed now yes?

[gentle carbon]

Yes

[hollow wind]

anyone knows if they made changes between 1.18 and 1.18rc4?

they = mojang

[arctic oracle]

no, thats the purpose of an RC

[west bone]

prob bug fixrd

[autumn comet]

Take a look at the changelogs

[gentle carbon]

There was one single change iirc

[dark dew]

they said they will not change much from latest rc

[inland hornet]

no 1.18 download there

[autumn comet]

force refresh

[gentle carbon]

Ctrl-f5

[inner crypt]

refresh your cache

[arctic oracle]

does openJDK not have a 17 build?

[gentle carbon]

They do

[inner crypt]

they do

[still sparrow]

(https://i.imgur.com/olmqJBn.png)

[unique basin]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6962

[tired whale]

fwiw I can download openjdk-17-jre from my ubuntu repos but not debian for some reason

[half walrus]

https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/java-update/index.html

[unique basin]

also - breaking api change: Particle.LIGHT has been removed

[still sparrow]

and?

[arctic oracle]

when did adoptopenJDK decide to change their name? 0.o

[autumn comet]

months ago

[unique basin]

not backwards compatible

[still sparrow]

and?

[unique basin]

should just be a deprecated field

[worthy thunder]

https://blog.adoptopenjdk.net/2021/08/goodbye-adoptopenjdk-hello-adoptium/

[gentle carbon]

24th of July is when according to their site

[dapper lotus]

deprecated field would be dumb

[arctic oracle]

this was expected

[dapper lotus]

Ideally we'd just have more registry based API and plugins can check that stuff more gracefully

[unique basin]

yeah but unfortunately md_5 lies upstream

[boreal apex]

generation do b smooth

[steel furnace]

Terain Bledning

[boreal apex]

moment

[gentle carbon]

Mojang did amazing with the terrain blending

[arctic oracle]

according to that cmd you are using java 11, which in my understand shouldn't even work

[boreal apex]

nope im using 17

idk why it said that

[gentle carbon]

That’s just what it says when it starts

[boreal apex]

I installed 17 at least

[autumn comet]

Java 11 compression

[terse hamlet]

[autumn comet]

It does say nowhere you run Java 11 lmao

[boreal apex]

yea

[arctic oracle]

this is what i get for not taking two seconds longer to read the whole line >.>

[boreal apex]

lol

[gentle carbon]

You guys can read?

[boreal apex]

🥴

[uneven pagoda]

max-build-height in server.properties currently does nothing?

[last cloud]

I'm wondering, how unstable are the experimental 1.18 builds? I was thinking of making a backup of my 1.17 server world to be safe and then upgrading. The server is only for me and a couple friends

Is it worth doing, or should I wait?

[arctic oracle]

unknown

currently attempting myself

[uneven pagoda]

I'm set it to 256 but can build up to 319 still

[arctic oracle]

there is like 0 reason to reduce that number

[little parrot]

I switched over from vanilla 1.18 server.jar with no issues so far

[last cloud]

Aight, cool. I guess I'll give it a shot then!

Can't hurt provided one has a backup

[arctic oracle]

just waisted CPU time if something goes wrong

[last cloud]

kekw yeah

[versed rain]

a bunch of chickens spawned inside a ocean in front of me

😄

[arctic oracle]

will paper add any new config options to existing configs or should i just generate a new one and diff them?

[last cloud]

naval birbs

Nice pfp btw

[versed rain]

they seems happy

[last cloud]

[peak pulsar]

Those are ducks

Hidden update

[last cloud]

So to upgrade a server all I need to do is replace the server .jar and upgrade my Java version to 17, right? Nothing else?

[versed rain]

don't forget a prayer

[arctic oracle]

no

[versed rain]

it's experimental

😄

[rocky nest]

Backups.

[versed rain]

prayer = backups 😄

[arctic oracle]

you should add --forceUpgrade to your launch options to well, force upgrade

[solid goblet]

nah

not needed anymore really

[dapper lotus]

No

Do not force upgrade

[arctic oracle]

no? been told elsewhere that it is needed

[dapper lotus]

force upgrading is stupid and anybody who blindly suggests that has 0 clue wtf they're talking about

[hollow depot]

angrycat[no-ping]

[last cloud]

[arctic oracle]

i see... apparently forceupgrade wont run the blender

man i get out of server hosting for a year and all the plugins are dead or replaced >.>

[hidden cargo]

You're telling me I shouldn't blindly download jars????

[arctic oracle]

no! download my jar! it changes name colors and is 800mb! its good! it has no cryptobots whatsoever.

[hidden cargo]

oki!! Link Mr!!!

me*

[arctic oracle]

ok. its http://obviousScam(dot)com

[hidden cargo]

oh ok thank you

[arctic oracle]

that wasn't supposed to resolve lol

[inner crypt]

I didn't do any of that

[hidden cargo]

lmao idk why it did

[heavy creek]

finally code i can read, thank you

[inner crypt]

those props go to jmp kenny and all the rest!

[obtuse prism]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-rogers-nightmare-clown-gif-5401671

I'm coming back when 'experimental' doesn't exist

prob. with a donation

(and a BIG THANK YOU)

[steel furnace]

Ignore it being at 205% cpu usage and 307% gpu usage

[inner crypt]

we will have a big announcment with links to all the people that helped and their donations links, plus the paper donation link and stuff ready for when we decide its good for everyone

we will @ everyone most likely

[heavy creek]

where do you donate, i'm blind as heck

[peak pulsar]

https://papermc.io/sponsors

[heavy creek]

awesome thanks

[inner crypt]

sponsors

[rocky nest]

404

[inner crypt]

noah

[steel furnace]

1.18 updating felt fast in comparison to most other updates

[inner crypt]

https://papermc.io/sponsors

[peak pulsar]

you saw nothing

[rocky nest]

(surprised you don't have a 404 page lol)

[heavy creek]

tytyty sir

[terse hamlet]

paperchan 404 page

[dapper lotus]

Well, we're pros

[inner crypt]

a) our tooling is kinda mature now so it was easier and b) spigot released early so we could prepare

[dapper lotus]

we don't 404

[obtuse prism]

403'

[terse hamlet]

ur life is a 404

[dapper lotus]

People posting bad links 404

[steel furnace]

True

[dapper lotus]

ur hopes and dreams r 404

[rocky nest]

is that a challenge

[vapid prawn]

I think this discord was telling everyone to use forceUpgrade as recently as 1.15 😄

[obtuse prism]

are mixins also included in paper because I'm somehow late

and unsure

[inner crypt]

no

[unique basin]

yeah amazed by how fast it was

[steel furnace]

HTTP error 418

[vapid prawn]

iirc it was for performance reasons, so you could upgrade your whole world before you went live

[steel furnace]

am teacup

[dapper lotus]

We've never told people to forceUpgrae

[unique basin]

from 1.18 release to fully updating everything w/ paperweight-userdev, protocollib, the lot

[dapper lotus]

only time we ever did was early 1.12, iirc

[unique basin]

absolutely unbelievable workflow well done guys

[dapper lotus]

But, that was cos of pre async and people complaining about chunk loading being slow because of the flattening data conversions being chonky

[heavy creek]

frfr amazing work

[vapid prawn]

flattening was 1.12?

[hollow depot]

oh yea btw, I've donated to paper and got no discord role, don't know what's up with that

[dapper lotus]

since then we've advised against it, especially given the fact that the chest yeet bug existed and mojang didn't fix that for time

I thiiink it was around then?

[vapid prawn]

I thought it was 1.13

[dapper lotus]

oh, was 1.13

[vapid prawn]

That's why spigot has the api version thing and complains about older versions

[obtuse prism]

1.13 is years old now btw

[vapid prawn]

Anyway, that's where that recommendation comes from

[inner crypt]

guess you never pinged anyone and also didn't add your discord to the message 😄

fixed

[dapper lotus]

Yea, post flattening we've heavily stated to not use it, especially with the async'y goodness

[inner crypt]

thanks!

[steel furnace]

speedrun experimental% paperMC server speedrun in 1:40:00 flat

[dapper lotus]

running an entire world through mojangs buggy data upgrade stuff is like, yea...

[hollow depot]

I didn't want to be rude and ping, I thought it was automatic, pretty sure it asked for my discord

[timber ridge]

Probably just slipped through the cracks

[dapper lotus]

ocelotpotpiepotpie, mmmmh

[feral spire]

Lmao

[timber ridge]

I'm gonna need some anti-cat spray soon

[vapid prawn]

I thought it was leaf's buggy data upgrade stuff 😄

[obtuse prism]

hytale: comes out next year
minecraft: dead
paper: papertale

[inner crypt]

its not automated, sometimes people get it by looking at their mails, but most of the time you ping somebody 🙂

[dapper lotus]

Well, that's who we get to blame now

[feral spire]

Blame leaf on all chunk related issue

That was the deal to get him into paper team 😉

[vapid prawn]

No, I mean he literally rewrote DFU, didn't he?

[lofty gull]

is there an ETA on when the stable is coming out? really suprised you have a experimental version already

[heavy creek]

nope

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[dapper lotus]

next person who asks for an ETA is going in the kitty cannon

I swear

[latent parrot]

what happened to the goblins 😭

[timber ridge]

Maybe channel topic should be "there is no ETA"

[vapid prawn]

If they knew what was needed to call it stable it would be already

[brisk lantern]

is there a downloadable Starlight for 1.18? building one takes ages

[timber ridge]

Want me to just send "There is no ETA." every 5 minutes?

[vapid prawn]

starlight doesn't work with sodium, btw

[obtuse prism]

what's that?

[vapid prawn]

Dunno if that's a starlight or sodium bug but it's in the sodium release notes

[dapper lotus]

don't ping

[feral spire]

Lmao pinged

[timber ridge]

Death.

[obtuse prism]

sowwy

[peak pulsar]

they got full

[timber ridge]

Double death for the ping.

[sick hearth]

lets be real, who reads the topic?

[dapper lotus]

This is the paper discord, not the starlight discord; if there is a jar easily available, it will be on the github actions thing iirc

[timber ridge]

There's no ETA.

[gusty trench]

Right, so there's this issue that I don't know where/whether to report, because it's fundamentally with Spigot but it manifests differently with Paper: if you make a world with the Terralith datapack, Spigot yells and throws tons of exceptions, and when you try to connect to the server you get an "Internal server error". Paper, on the other hand, doesn't give any exceptions but once you connect it's an instant client crash complaining about biome stuff, and when you shut down the server, then it'll complain about being unable to save chunks. Hmmm.

[amber yoke]

people are really pushing all the wrong buttons today

[sick hearth]

I meant topic***

[dapper lotus]

People don't read the topic anyways

[hazy sundial]

https://lonely-sex.life/​‌‌​​​​‌​‌‌​​‌‌‌​​‌‌​‌​​​‌‌‌‌​​​​‌​‌‌​​‌​‌​‌​​‌​​​‌‌​​​​​‌​‌​​‌‌ My server isn't starting with paper?

[sick hearth]

Virus

[steel furnace]

rename the channel

[dapper lotus]

update java

[timber ridge]

1-18-no-ETA

[hazy sundial]

I selected java 17

[timber ridge]

Can we rename the channel to catLovesOcelot

[dapper lotus]

EA build of java...

[sick hearth]

Although paper shouldn't fail on parsing java version imo

[hazy sundial]

hmm

[dapper lotus]

I mean, yea, ofc it shouldn't

[stoic depot]

There is an open issue about it

[dapper lotus]

But, people shouldn't be running pre-release java builds...

[sacred pond]

wdym there's no eta

[rocky nest]

there is no eta

[inner crypt]

theres an open issue about the parsing

we will look at that

[steel furnace]

use Adoptium builds

[hazy sundial]

oh

[steel furnace]

out of experimental

[haughty plaza]

java 17 is lts

[lofty gull]

sorry, let me rephrase, i really didn't want to sound like that lol
what does it mean with "use with extreme caution" ?

i never upgrade servers, i only make new ones
is it game breaking for newly created ones or just upgraded?
and is it only bug finding at this point or what does the phrase mean "use with extreme caution"?

[dapper lotus]

these are early builds

there are probably still bugs

[sacred pond]

it means it's buggy

[inner crypt]

we don't know if its buggy

we can just warn you

[heavy creek]

i just donated via opencollective, i forgot to input everything related to my discord or something though

[dapper lotus]

don't blame us if the jar sets your cat on fire

[soft scroll]

same

[thorny charm]

Stupid question: but could I generate a world on spigot to start building our new spawn, then use that world on paper 1.18 once released, without issues?

[stoic depot]

Same goes for you trueyaya, update your Java. EA versions are not supported

[dapper lotus]

I mean, spigot is unstable too

[soft scroll]

from openjdk:17-jdk-alpine

[sacred pond]

no spigot it's not beta

[gusty trench]

When both spigot and paper are stable, yes, that's guaranteed to work

[dapper lotus]

Spigot just doesn't care to announce that these are early builds and you should probs wait a while

[lofty gull]

i am used to unstable early access versions, but i never read extreme caution lol

[dapper lotus]

Like, spigots had world deleting bugs before and just acted like shit was ready to update

[sacred pond]

😮

[gusty trench]

Spigot has issues with worldgen datapacks rn

[stoic depot]

Even with vanilla I wouldn't update right away. Many times there is .1 release after a week or two

[lethal orbit]

the /datapack no longer lists active datapacks

[sick hearth]

Don't use alpine openjdk images, they're outdated

[steel furnace]

Use Adoptium builds

[thorny charm]

Thought so. Just thought I’d ask as Apexhosting have Spigot 1.18.

I’ll just wait around to be safe

[umbral peak]

yeah definitely use adoptium

[dawn cedar]

does paper 1.18 require java 17?

[lethal orbit]

yes

[rocky nest]

yes

[dawn cedar]

for plugins?

[timber ridge]

For Paper.

Yes.

[umbral peak]

That's my miss too. For some reason I thought it needed 16

[stoic depot]

Minecraft itself requires Java 17

[gusty trench]

Amything 1.18 requires Java 17 for everything

[rocky nest]

All MC 1.18 will require j17, since that's mojang's requirement

[heavy creek]

ya the software itself needs java 17

[soft scroll]

on openjdk:17-jdk same thing

[steel furnace]

Use adoptium's

[soft scroll]

whats that?

[steel furnace]

AdoptOpenJDK's new name

[dapper lotus]

a jdk vendor

[steel furnace]

https://adoptium.net/

[viscid lily]

So MC 1.17 requires Java 16 and MC 1.18 requires Java 17?? Really?

[steel furnace]

Yes

That's Mojang, not Paper

[charred ermine]

that's correct

[viscid lily]

Oh no, so most plugins will not work

[steel furnace]

They SHOULD work

[feral spire]

Most plugin will work

Only janky one won’t

[lofty gull]

is that necessary to run a server on debian for stability?

[dapper lotus]

...

[feral spire]

If most of your plugin doesn’t work it’s you using janky plugins lol

[dapper lotus]

You need java 17

doesn't matter what vender of java you use

you need java 17.

[sick hearth]

don't use jdk for a mc server unless it's needed

[dapper lotus]

jdk is fine

[sick hearth]

well if you care about image size

[dapper lotus]

nobody is really shipping standalone jre's these days

[stoic depot]

In today's world the image size difference is pretty neglible

[steel furnace]

No but it's the best one anyway

[lofty gull]

what does it replace? java version? i dont quite understand ;_;

i have this right now

[steel furnace]

It replaces Oracle's java with Adoptium's better one

[dapper lotus]

better one

[peak pulsar]

this should be fine

[dapper lotus]

wut

[steel furnace]

Adoptium is just better

[dapper lotus]

No

[steel furnace]

because om nom open source

trueuututt

[heavy creek]

om nom open source lmfao, best reasoning

[dapper lotus]

Literally all of the openjdk venders are shipping open source builds of java

even oracle ships an open source build, not that they package it nicely for people to use, but, they have one

[steel furnace]

true

[bronze linden]

but my fanboyism

[steel furnace]

^

[lofty gull]

so am i fine with what i have? i think i am using oracle, not sure, its been forever

[dapper lotus]

Well, oracle builds should be fine now?

Big issue with oracle is that they wanted you to pay them to use their java builds but they changed that

[tired whale]

I'm using an oracle build just fine

[peak pulsar]

you can use apt show java or something like that to check the details of the java package you have installed

dunno what it's called in debian exactly

[inner crypt]

oracle openjdk builds don't get patch updates

[tawdry spoke]

Ik there are no ETAs but do you think most likely this week or a few weeks? Sorry if this is annoying

[rocky nest]

there is no eta.

[sick hearth]

there is a reason why no developers want to give ETA

[rocky nest]

If we knew if it was going to be this week or next week, that would be an ETA.

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[little cedar]

Will an older paper config file auto-update with any changes in 1.18 once I swap jars?

Like if there are any new additions etc.

[rocky nest]

I believe so

[little cedar]

Alright, thanks!

[supple hawk]

I was wondering if the setting "no-tick-view-distance" is on paper 1.18 or not, because i don't found it, maybe i have to recreate paper.yml?

[rocky nest]

no-tick's now a native mojang setting

[feral spire]

If it’s coming back, it will be automatically added

Big IF

but you will be fine

@supple hawk view distance in server.properties is now the old no-tick terrain view

Simulation distance is now the old (ticking) view distance

[little cedar]

If I have to regenerate it then reconfigure it it's no big deal, just wondering 🤷‍♂️ . Appreciate the help.

[arctic oracle]

correct me if i am wrong but the allow-flight=true is specifically hacked flight and does nothing to elytra/creative/plugin flight

[timber ridge]

Yeah, basically.

It won't prevent elytra or creative if set to false.

[feral spire]

You always want that to be true

To avoid kicking

[timber ridge]

But better off always setting it to true because it's a bit - yeah what Eternity said

It's a little overzealous.

If you move in a minecart sometimes it'll boot you.

[peak pulsar]

if you move in a Minecraft sometimes

[solemn solar]

If you set it to true, yes it may stop laggy players from getting kicked when they lag out in elytra or horses, but it does allow cheaters to fly around with impunity.

[dapper lotus]

lef has already said he's planning to yeet mojangs impl of that thing

[peak pulsar]

That's why you make a timeout box with a purple command block

[arctic oracle]

fair, one of the previous people i worked with was strongly against anything they perceived as a problem (could be anything) so wanted to check

[timber ridge]

Muscle memory :)

[glad flower]

Speaking of, is there a particular reason that the server properties doesn't generate alphabetically lmao

it makes looking for configs annoying

[dapper lotus]

Well, it's ordered, basically

[stark bramble]

Hi there people, hows the early version doing? any problems so far?

[dapper lotus]

but, it's ordered by some magical number that it produces internally

[glad flower]

lovely, lol

[feral spire]

https://www.twitch.tv/kennytvn

(currently fixing oversized NBT) or trying to

[rocky nest]

you're saying it's sorted by Random.nextInt?

[stark bramble]

thanks for the info <3

[dapper lotus]

it's basically a HashMap

[rocky nest]

oh ok

that makes more sense

I guess it's sorted by each entry's hash then or smth?

[white nimbus]

sry guys stupid question: Does anybody know why the viewdistance resets itselfs to 5 after i restart the server?

[feral spire]

thats new minimum

you cannot go lower than 5

[white nimbus]

yeah if i put it higher it resets itselfs to 5

[feral spire]

yes that's the new minimum. So leave it at 5

[rocky nest]

higher

[devout bobcat]

is the tab complete broken?

[half walrus]

Having issues with tab complete on java 17? See https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6936#issuecomment-979713795

[devout bobcat]

alright then

[timber ridge]

Classic.

[languid lodge]

How many people have you kicked/banned today holy moly!

[timber ridge]

Me? None! :)

[frozen lantern]

Massive props for an early release!

[languid lodge]

More directed towards the people who can kick/ ban but sure...

[rocky nest]

lmgtfy
https://f.u11.io/M2dXCo https://f.u11.io/dE1beo https://f.u11.io/HHqWDC

[languid lodge]

35+13+13=

35+26=

61?

[timber ridge]

On the test server. Made by Peter Crawley

[languid lodge]

hahaha yes

[timber ridge]

(Not made by me)

[sonic pewter]

is everyone else struggling to get 1.18 to even run on server side?

[languid lodge]

Yep

tried and failed

[inner crypt]

runs fine here

[hexed flower]

Works fine

[inner crypt]

whats the issue?

[languid lodge]

So I ended up just upgrading ViaVersion and Waterfall

[sonic pewter]

mine just says console cannot run please restart, over and over

[half walrus]

https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/java-update/index.html

[inner crypt]

we literally have thousands of servers on paper already

[languid lodge]

Oh its my server

Don't worry

That's why I didn't report it

[flint hearth]

is there a way to manually install paper 1.18 on apexhosting or do i just have to wait for them to add 1.18?

[sonic pewter]

Console could not load, please start or restart your server. If this does not work, check you have a minecraft_server.jar file in your file manager. If that all fails, open a ticket and we will happily resolve the issues.

[inner crypt]

do they allow you to upload a jar?

[sonic pewter]

yup

and its uploaded

nothing else in the file manager other then the .jar

still nothing

[flint hearth]

yea i think so

[glad flower]

did you rename it to minecraft_server.jar

[sonic pewter]

yes

[inner crypt]

so download the paper jar from our website and choose custom server jar there

[flint hearth]

oki thank u

[ashen oar]

Need to ask Apex to enable Java 17 though, can do so via support ticxket

[flint hearth]

im pretty sure i already have java 17 selected i forgot which tab i saw it in tho

[peak pulsar]

by mojang?

or paper/spigot

[feral spire]

Mojang

[inner crypt]

both

[peak pulsar]

that sucks lmao

[inner crypt]

no its great

using outdated software sucks

[feral spire]

Plsyer no longer need to suffer

[peak pulsar]

what about the huge servers that run on view distance 3 with no tick 5/6

[feral spire]

From view distance 3

[rocky nest]

java version shouldn't affect performance

[feral spire]

It’s a crime!

[rocky nest]

oh whoops wrong minimum

[inner crypt]

java version improves performance actually

[autumn comet]

Especially the jump from 16 to 17 in G1 times.

[feral spire]

It’s pretty good yeah

From my snap testing

[dapper lotus]

I mean, vd 3 broke many vanilla things

[feral spire]

Yes

It’s horrible

[split steppe]

new 1.18 trees 😍

[feral spire]

Wow

That’s cool

[hasty grail]

epic

[stoic gull]

Just wanted to say thanks for keeping us updated in #❗-1-18 , hoping for a stable release soon (whenever it's done of course)

[mossy wigeon]

This chat is actually really wholesome once it’s calmed down

[peak pulsar]

😍 🥺 owo

[mossy wigeon]

Say it louder

[mossy wigeon]

Also anyone using dynamic view distance that has the server use more view distance or less if it’s lagging

I love that plug-in, it seems like it’s one of those performance plugins that works

[feral spire]

Wait for leaf to finish his patch. Y’all forgot this is test build

[thin dagger]

Is there going to be like a big 64 block gap between the old bedrock floor and the new one? Or how are the chunk borders going to look in that sense

[glad flower]

It generates new caves

[thin dagger]

Ah okay thanks

[timber ridge]

Yeah the blending seems pretty good so far.

[lone spear]

who's leaf?

[rocky nest]

SpottedLeaf

[timber ridge]

Spottedleaf

He made Tuinity and has some patches that got merged into Paper.

He's also a real nice guy @sudden bison

[rocky nest]

discord I wish there was some way to "mention" someone but not have it actually ping them

[lone spear]

Man the devs are really talented... xd
I'm taking a java course and even simple stuff like console input output is just so time consuming for me

[peak pulsar]

there is something in the api

[lone spear]

what's the patch they're working on btw?

[peak pulsar]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/6318

[steel furnace]

I can't really imagine learning Java lol

[lone spear]

It's not too bad
but I just dislike it!

[steel furnace]

Python/JS is much easier for me lol

though I could learn it if I want probably

[lone spear]

i'd settle for even lua

[steel furnace]

Lua is

cursed

[lone spear]

it is
but in the good way

anyways off topic from paper i think

[steel furnace]

arrays start at 1

that i-

true

[glad flower]

I use lua for UI development lmao

(stepmania)

[autumn comet]

What does that have to do with 1.18?

Go to #general for off topic

[modern pendant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/906668625623150686/906676141287407636/image0.gif

[lilac marsh]

What are your client performance experiences with 1.18?

[narrow lintel]

does the waterfall proxy work with 1.18?

[prime thistle]

yes the new one

[hexed flower]

As does velocity

[timber ridge]

Waterfall was updated to 1.18, yes.

[prime thistle]

yes

[timber ridge]

. . .

I said it was, yes.

[vague falcon]

my dude's got word dyslexia, thought was was before waterfall

[timber ridge]

Oh that makes sense

Hi chew

[vague falcon]

hi!

glad to see this chat has calmed down

[lilac marsh]

Cause mine is pretty faulty, will Sodium+Extra do the trick?

[arctic oracle]

i havent had many issues after i raised the amount of ram to 3gb in the launcher

[mossy wigeon]

Only 3gb?

Hahah. I’ve given my Minecraft 6gb on rainy days

[arctic oracle]

giving too much ram is just as bad as too little

[fossil light]

is paper 1.18 stable enough to start running pregens on? looked around the paper issues list and the pinned issue and there doesn't seem to be any issues with chunk generation aside from maybe the chunk tick optimization and worldborder collision thingy

[mossy wigeon]

I thought giving my Minecraft 5g was good enough tbh

[timber ridge]

For now

[arctic oracle]

currently doing that and have not run into a wall yet

[timber ridge]

For a new world - maybe. But there may still be bugs. Still is experimental.

[dark dew]

server ran smoothly so with some backups you could try running it

[dapper lotus]

This is still day 0

[fossil light]

yeah only 5 hours in :d

[dapper lotus]

For all somebody knows there is a huge bug in vanilla somewhere

[cinder goblet]

Hi i know im kind of early but dont yell at me 😄 i want to check some new internals and Im user paperweight userdev

depdencencies {
paperDevBundle("1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT")
}

Throws

java.util.NoSuchElementException: Collection contains no element matching the predicate.
    at io.papermc.paperweight.userdev.internal.setup.UserdevSetup.setupMinecraftVersionManifest(UserdevSetup.kt:531)

[timber ridge]

But for an existing world I would 100% back it up.

[mossy wigeon]

I’m not pregening nothing

[timber ridge]

Because there may be huge bugs later that nuke stuff.

[tired timber]

2.5 gb at server startup? Oh...

[fossil light]

I'm starting a new server so shouldn't be an issue

thanks y'all

[mossy wigeon]

I’m resetting my server

[timber ridge]

It may not generate some stuff.

[mossy wigeon]

1.18 world gen too good not to

[timber ridge]

Or ores may be messed up.

[dark dew]

i'll wait like maybe 3-5 days and then set my own

[timber ridge]

They're still experimental. There are any number of bugs that could be there.

Still too soon to say.

[arctic oracle]

should still pregen

[timber ridge]

So caveat emptor.

[timber ridge]

You pregen so you can load chunks when players aren't on it. You'll still get the same terrain.

[tired timber]

this is very terrible, if compare it to 1.17.1
how are the others?

[dark dew]

ye pregenrating chunks will help alot on this version

[tired timber]

yeah, but the problem with RAM remains.

[timber ridge]

1.18 is going to be slower than 1.17

How much slower is still TBD

[arctic oracle]

ram not used is ram wasted

[fossil light]

I'll just throw my players at it and let them tell me what's wrong

[dark dew]

that's just how mc is

[dense river]

What problem?

[arctic oracle]

the amount of ram used has nothing to do with performance

[tired timber]

it is more likely that the problem here is not with Paper, but with 1.18 itself. there is a large consumption of RAM, if compare it to 1.17.1.

[dense river]

Might be the case on the first startup, but beyond that not really?

Also if you're using the recommended flags the RAM is reserved anyway

[candid flower]

Well, every chunk is twice as large - I'd be shocked if RAM didn't double.

[inner crypt]

thats not how this works

[tired timber]

after starting the server at 1.18 consumes about 2 GB of RAM, without world pregen. on 1.17.1 about +-1.2 gb.

[vapid prawn]

Chunks use in memory compression so it wouldn't double

[candid flower]

I know but I'm just having a laugh about a admittedly rough situation

[vapid prawn]

But it would go up, yeah

generating chunks will definitely use more RAM though

Probably close to double?

[candid flower]

I'm looking at a data pack called Teralith, and it generates incredible terrain on 1.18 and adds a bunch of biomes, but the RAM and CPU usage freaks me out and I'm doubting whether it's feasible.

Without every chunk taking an eternity to process

[vapid prawn]

Teralith doesn't work on Paper anyway 😛

(or spigot)

[tired timber]

this always puts too much load on the server.

[candid flower]

I actually got Terralith 1 for 1.17 working reliably on a server which had ~15 players peak. It was on a 3-core 5950X setup though and it was hitting ~15TPS in normal play.

[dark dew]

15tps

[candid flower]

Yep. Not a great idea

Looked amazing

[tired timber]

but... yes)

15 tps 😅

[arctic oracle]

i mean if you pre-rendered in vanilla wouldn't it not mater?

[stiff mulch]

Can I start a 1.18 server on spigot or bukkit and switch to paper when it's ready?

[dark dew]

yep

[autumn comet]

Yes, but, Spigot is not more "ready" than paper is

[arctic oracle]

i mean you can but bukkit and spigot are also just as unready

[stiff mulch]

Ah, i understand. Thanks!

[vapid prawn]

I have no idea, it's a datapack and apparently just having it installed in the world makes spigot crash and/or die when players join from what someone was saying earlier

[dusky bloom]

How long it will take to make STABLE ver ?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[vapid prawn]

I don't think you could remove the datapack after generating, doesn't it do custom biomes?

[tired timber]

spigot - as a separate type)

[near cosmos]

3-5 days for what?

[vapid prawn]

If you tried to do some surgery and remove the datapack before moving it over to paper I think it would just break the world everywhere

[livid sleet]

For Pregen you guys are using a plugin right??

[candid flower]

Chunky is a good one

[arctic oracle]

you can but its not an easy process and tends to break

using chunky

[tired timber]

yes

[livid sleet]

cool thx

[tired timber]

chunky is good plugin for that things

[arctic oracle]

and .17 version seems to be doing just fine with new chunks too

rendering 20k on i9 99k+10gb RAM is expected to finish in 6 hours

[timber ridge]

6 hours seems low.

[arctic oracle]

should mention this is also my daily use PC and i am watching netflix and youtube and shit

[timber ridge]

No I mean I'd expect it to take longer than 6 hours.

[arctic oracle]

i mean ill let you know when its done but is accurate so far

[livid sleet]

lol so pregen 1 million chunks?

or 1 million blocks? xD

[arctic oracle]

20k blocks

not chunks

[peak pulsar]

so use chunky for pregen?

[timber ridge]

I would.

But, again - builds are experiemental. You may need to pregen again later.

[peak pulsar]

cool thank you 🙂

[arctic oracle]

i am at 10% right now which took about 37 minutes so 6h looks reliable barring other issues

seems like mojang actually really sped up chunk generation over .16/17

[violet wing]

no lol

[arctic oracle]

considering that a world of the same size using the same plugins on a stable paper build took 15h to render, think that would be a yes

[dapper lotus]

inb4 outdated chunky is just going brr

[violet wing]

it works on non release candidates

that was a paperlib issue

[dapper lotus]

Oh, yea

pop

[terse hamlet]

cat is outdated chunky

[dapper lotus]

be quiet, or something

walks outside with his tail up high

❤️

[violet wing]

🐱

[feral hinge]

[arctic oracle]

anyway, in MY experience 18 is faster than 17/16

[dapper lotus]

I mean, if you're working with paper you're biased anyways

[peak pulsar]

Whats performance looking like with the new update? Shitty vanilla jar doesnt support newer java and I really dont feel like downgrading

[dapper lotus]

e.g. toooinity merge

[atomic trench]

hello so if you all need help with testing i have my team testingwith me before lunch new commuinty server

[dapper lotus]

er

vanilla literally uses the latest version of java?

[arctic oracle]

what do you mean?

^^

[dapper lotus]

update java

[subtle surge]

how much ram r yall giving ur servers rn

[woven field]

15 gb

[arctic oracle]

that message is telling you that you are out of date...

[subtle surge]

damn ur server hella stacked on ram lmfaoo

[woven field]

gotta have that 128 gb machine boi

[feral hinge]

http://homie.uploadedthat4you.ovh/nIT7d

[subtle surge]

sheesh bruh i just upgraded my server with 16gb today haha

[feral hinge]

give them what they need ^^

[subtle surge]

i see that proxmox os

[feral hinge]

oh yes

[woven field]

10gb is enough if you keep view distance in a low range and don't use too many plugins

[subtle surge]

u just running it in a container or using some panel

[feral hinge]

Pterodactyl it is for me

[gritty finch]

would you guys recommend wait for stable versions or do you think the experimental versions are fine? (private multiplayer server with friends)
I'm new to all this

[ebon loom]

is there any reason my .jar file would not execute when I download the new 1.18 server?

[arctic oracle]

you using a start script?

[woven field]

I'd wait a week

[subtle surge]

ic ic yea imma try to just run in a container cuz i needa save my ram lmfaoo

[gritty finch]

okay ty!

[subtle surge]

we can upgrade from vanilla servers into paper anyways right

[ebon loom]

I was for my 1.17 world but when I tried with 1.18 it didn't execute and then I just tried it by itself and it is still not executing.

[feral hinge]

you can simply use docker to run it with specific ressources if you want/need to

[cinder fern]

what cpu

[peak pulsar]

downloaded latest Java from oracle
same error

[arctic oracle]

did you update java?

[cinder fern]

uninstall previous java?

[arctic oracle]

'latest' is not a version number

[half walrus]

https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/java-update/index.html

[ebon loom]

I just did, but I will reinstall and see if it fixes it.

[feral hinge]

Ryzen 9 3900 12c/24t

[cinder fern]

based

[tired whale]

I run mine in a debian LXC on Proxmox. But I would get a ubuntu server container template if you want to go that route. It's pretty easy to setup.

[peak pulsar]

Version 8 Update 311

[dapper lotus]

You need 17.

[subtle surge]

ic ic do u just use screen or smth to run the server on the debain lxc?

[fallow brook]

Is there a specific donation link for all the hard work

[feral hinge]

running another one with a german mc streamer project with 128gb ecc + Ryzen 7 5800X, works like a charm

[tired whale]

Tmux, but yeah. Same thing pretty much.

[timber ridge]

Have you noticed any consistent 1.17 vs 1.18 chunky rendering differences?

Like 1.17 is slower/faster/etc?

[cinder fern]

FOR WHAT???

[arctic oracle]

That's not even close to current

[subtle surge]

yea i forgot about that one lmfaooo gr8 gr8

[violet wing]

<#❗-1-18-experimental message>

[feral hinge]

^^ its not dedicated for that, just on it

[peak pulsar]

what a pain

[cinder fern]

oh thank god

[peak pulsar]

mc server does not need >12gb

of ram

[timber ridge]

Yeah i saw that from Amaranth but pfffft who can trust that guy? :)

[cinder fern]

This

[peak pulsar]

even with like 100 players

[timber ridge]

Wasn't sure if you saw similar or different numbers.

[violet wing]

generally pretty similar

it's about half from what I've seen

[cinder fern]

"Ask how many servers he runs on the R9 3900, what distro and the average threads allocated?"

[timber ridge]

So about 60% slower.

Thanks pop!

[violet wing]

depends on your hardware

[cinder fern]

Friend asked this^

[violet wing]

1.18 scales more to threads in world gen iirc

[tired whale]

Yeah I recommend that over screen. then I just have a shell script to open up tmux with all the workspace splits I like. Then another shell script to attach to it. Who needs Ptero! lol

[subtle surge]

how much ram do u use for how many players?

[timber ridge]

Gotcha. That's good to know.

[subtle surge]

haha yea gotta save ram lmaoo

[peak pulsar]

alright, up and running now
thank you

[feral hinge]

not really applicable here it's a mix for dev environment of mixed stuff, mc is just a bit of it

[fiery drift]

Did something change when it comes to NMS?
I just ran 'java -Dpaperclip.install=true -jar paper-1.18.jar' like I used to in earlier versions

But this will just start a server without creating a patched_paper.jar like it used to (cache folder)?
Neither did it install anything in my local m2

Or did I forgot something?

[feral hinge]

@cinder fern but for distro i'm for ubuntu so far, some of it with docker (on top of Proxmox VE)

[inner crypt]

I think that doesn't work right now, consider using paperweight userdev

[cyan whale]

Do these things normally get out on the first day?

[inner crypt]

.userdev

?userdev

Urg

[cyan whale]

!

[inner crypt]

https://github.com/jpenilla/paperweight-test-plugin

[inner crypt]

No, we were only able to be so quick because spigot put out a pre release so we had a week to update paper

[fiery drift]

Thank you!

[slate grotto]

Yes, ty spigot ^^

idk why they didn't do that before.. /shrug/

[half walrus]

https://github.com/jpenilla/paperweight-test-plugin

[subtle surge]

@tired whale yo i got a question how many cores did u allocate for how many players

[sick canyon]

Lol I updated my server to 1.18 vanilla and someone got killed by a skeleton, their stuff dropped and the death message appeared in chat but he didn’t die.

[lethal warren]

So what is the process for getting to a stable paper 1.18 paper? Does paper need to wait for the spigot stable release as well or does it just take the initial spigot jar and run with it?

Curious how they are coupled

[dapper lotus]

I mean

process is "do stuff"

we're not bound on spigots definition of "stable"

[tired whale]

6 out of 8 cores on a Xeon E3 1230 v2. 6gb of ram for the server, 8gb for the container. I've had up to 10 players without issues + 10 or so plugins

[dapper lotus]

spigot has indicated that world deleting releases are ready for use

[bronze linden]

ah you mean in general

[subtle surge]

kk thank u

[rocky pivot]

does the paper antixray works in 1.18?

[urban mirage]

wondering the same thing

[brazen harness]

yes it does

[vague falcon]

good news!

[rocky pivot]

:O thx

[polar quarry]

if the next message's first word contains an "o" im going to run 1.18 experimental on my small 30-player server right now

[feral hinge]

sorry

[polar quarry]

HELL YEA

[urban mirage]

So if the xray is not working I am doing something wrong?

[upbeat stump]

hero. good luck, hope it goes well

[dapper lotus]

I mean

did you enable it?

[final gull]

For containers in proxmox I also recommend setting up a systemd user task. You can create a ~/.config/systemd/user/<servicename>.service file like

[Unit]
Description=Some Minecraft Server Name

[Service]
Type=simple
ExecStart=/home/<username>/<more path...>/start.sh
WorkingDirectory=/home/<username>/<more path...>

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

and after running loginctl enable-linger <username> as root to enable lingering services, run systemctl --user enable <servicename>.service for automatically starting the server when the host goes up. Then for monitoring, run systemctl --user status <servicename>.service -l to enable auto following live-view like in tmux (non interactive though). Works very well in my setup and I like that I can just press restart in proxmox and the server does what it should!

[urban mirage]

If you are responding to me yes

[rocky pivot]

Where do I enable anti xray?

[subtle surge]

smart

[urban mirage]

If I delete the paper.yml to see if the indentations of the xray is what is messing it up will the default be put back

[turbid sluice]

I think ive found a bug, somtimes when loading the chunk after like a little bit the server starts to drop in tps for no reason and jut lags out to the point where you are forced to reset

[tawny lance]

Congratulations once again to the Paper team!

So fast!

[unkempt urchin]

no tick view distance will be especially useful in this version

waiting for it :)

[regal anvil]

is anyone else having issues with OP commands

[dark wigeon]

tab completion, you mean?

[arctic oracle]

no? define

[regal anvil]

I am OP but it still says this

[crisp trout]

so where d?ownload

[regal anvil]

and in console when I try teleport someone it says no entity found

vanilla commands

[warm ravine]

Vanilla now sorta has it. View-distance is now what Paper's non-ticking was and simulation-distance is what the old view distance was.

[dapper lotus]

I mean, op doesn't always mean all perms

configure your perm plugin, etc

[polar quarry]

papermc.io

[peak pulsar]

Make sure OP is set to level 4 in server properties

[vague falcon]

I can't imagine how it ever wouldn't be

[dapper lotus]

most stuff doesn't give a shit about the op level

like, op in general is basically deprecated

(at least in pretty much every server software bar vanilla)

[vague falcon]

Vanilla does for /stop and /op but that's about it but we still don't know what this user isn't elaborating :(

[tired whale]

We should probably change the max build height to 320 in server.properties huh? That doesn't get overwritten anywhere does it?

[urban mirage]

Sorry if I sound really dumb but I can't get this anti-xray to work is there any preset stuff I can copy and test

[vague falcon]

Max build height in server properties was removed a year ago

[dapper lotus]

max build height no longer exists

[dark wigeon]

.xray

[vague falcon]

Saw an issue about it earlier, updated wiki to reflect

[half walrus]

https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245e

[dark wigeon]

ok

[tired whale]

I should probably stop using ancient files lmao

[dark wigeon]

not with the times

[vague falcon]

Yeah we upgraded to / now

[atomic trench]

if you have issue with geyser i can post it here?

[regal anvil]

i don't really got any perms plugin and the op-perm level is 4

[dapper lotus]

No, if you have issues with geyser ask geyser

not all things care about op

using a perm plugin is the only supported mechanism for managing perms

[arctic oracle]

get luckperms. OP is useless

[atomic trench]

k this is paper plugin then sorry new to this and started a commuinty minecarft so learning alot