❗-1-18-experimental

[grave charm]

the mojang mapped jar?

or the vanilla server jar mojang provides

[hoary blaze]

t

[rocky nest]

if you mean nms, you will be able to with paperweight userdev, although I don't know if that's available for RCs

(I mean you probably can do RCs with paperweight, but I wouldn't. Wait until full release)

[dusty bluff]

when is 1.18 out?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[dusty bluff]

from minecraft at least

[bronze linden]

The 30th

You now know what we know

[dusty bluff]

today 30

[bronze linden]

Not everywhere yet

[rocky nest]

I've heard rumors it releases at ~10am PST, no official source on that though

[polar quarry]

wtf is PST

[rocky nest]

pacific standard time

time zones

[dusty bluff]

how much?

[bronze linden]

$100

[polar quarry]

PST = GMT+8

had to google it

[rocky nest]

here, in your local time: <t:1638295200> / <t:1638295200:R>

(again, no official source on that)

[violet wing]

thanks for the official eta

ill make sure to set my alarm for that

[bronze linden]

You do you fam

[dusty bluff]

sank

[pulsar dagger]

someone pushed changes without testing

[zealous idol]

can i yell at you for breaking shit and for pinging me then?

[pulsar dagger]

I wasn't talking about me lol

I fixed it just now though

https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight/commit/516f1cdace5390a8d6bb47d50b33896d9dfde088

[zealous idol]

i can see that

now we get to wait for another dev bundle release

[pulsar dagger]

maybe if you ping cat he'll do it

[feral spire]

I wonder how Wizjany and zCat notify each other. they both dont perfer pings. Maybe emails?

[pulsar dagger]

inb4 it's broken some other way

[dapper lotus]

If somebody wants something to test on 1.18,
place a chest and a water bucket in front of it, step in water and open chest, see if the lid desyncs when the water carries you far enough away from it to close

I just shoved a workaround into 1.17 and dropped a message in a special channel but idk if I brained enough words for them to undeertand or if somebody wants to look at creating a proper momira report

[pulsar dagger]

once I finish waiting for everyone's favorite spigotDecompileJar I'll give it a go

[dapper lotus]

psh, am on a 2015 imac

[grave charm]

yeah cat, lid stays open

[dapper lotus]

my system load was at 70 before

[grave charm]

interestingly, if I do it again, the lid opens back up when the water carries me far enough away

[dapper lotus]

the open count goes negative

they have a thing to resync the counter but from my quick debug session only fired through the open path

[vague falcon]

flexin with the 2015 imac, mine's 2014 and cannot go to monterey :(

[dapper lotus]

weak

[feral spire]

we need a gofundme for zcat

[dapper lotus]

https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

[zealous idol]

💤

[dapper lotus]

it blew up cos I yeeted some files to avoid having to fuck around, rerunning now 😄

[zealous idol]

i'm sure my constant refreshing is draining the maven server's bandwidth /s

[dapper lotus]

$ uptime
5:47 up 8 days, 22:27, 9 users, load averages: 12.44 12.23 13.23

BRRRRRRR

[zealous idol]

tell those other users to give you your cpu back

oh my god, it's cat's 9 lives

[dapper lotus]

😄

[zealous idol]

$ users shane shane-backup-clone-1 shane-backup-clone-2...

[dapper lotus]

apparently it's uploaded

[zealous idol]

BUILD SUCCESSFUL in 2m 39s 👀

[acoustic burrow]

Does this mean worldedit is live

[spare vale]

Yes, 1.3.0-SNAPSHOT, also upstream removed "apply false" somewhere else, so I removed it too and still getting this error

I think I should diff upstream's build.gradle.kts and my build.gradle.kts, I missed some change probably

[coarse gull]

Indeed

[timber ridge]

I'm around tonight if you need more random testing nonsense.

I'm a real pro at Minecraft

[languid lodge]

So how exactly does this whole updating process work? So Paper Team, waits for Spigot to release their thing, so that Paper can reapply their patches and such. But what does Spigot do?

[grave charm]

no one knows

well, not really, but its not public

[livid vigil]

They decompile the sources & regenerate mappings to apply, then its the same process as we do with Paper on CraftBukkit & Spigot

[languid lodge]

Aha

[livid vigil]

What tools are involved and whatnot is a black box

[grave charm]

yeah, thats the "not public/open" part

[languid lodge]

But wouldn’t that mean that they have to also update craftbukkit

[livid vigil]

They do that

[languid lodge]

Huh interesting

[grave charm]

most changes that the spigot project makes are to craftbukkit/bukkit, not spigot

[livid vigil]

Whenever we hard fork from Spigot, we'll take over all the steps in the process ourselves, which may lead to us being faster on starting updates

[grave charm]

its a little confusing cause theres the spigot project, and then there are repos for CraftBukkit, Bukkit, and Spigot.

[languid lodge]

But does anybody use spigot

[grave charm]

yeah, most people do

[languid lodge]

Like everybody I know uses paper

[grave charm]

well not more than paper

[violet wing]

a couple people

[grave charm]

but more than craftbukkit

if you are using craftbukkit for your server, idk what you are trying to accomplish

[languid lodge]

Will spigot paper merger ever happen?

[languid lodge]

Madness lol

[livid vigil]

lolno

[languid lodge]

Why not

What is so unwanted by spigot?

[livid vigil]

md_5 is entirely uninterested in being a kind of person we want to work with

[grave charm]

I think md_5 said he has only come across 1 person worthy of being able to merge changes on their own

[languid lodge]

Who????

[feral spire]

is that himself in the dream?

[peak pulsar]

himself?

[sick hearth]

[livid vigil]

It was only recently he started accepting changes regularly at all, before 1.14 or so, it was mostly dead :p

[sick hearth]

Paper hardfork when

[languid lodge]

Is it only Md_5 who does spigot?

[bold sandal]

Quite a few people contribute to Spigot nowadays.

[grave charm]

I dont know for sure, but last time I asked, I think people thought it was Thinkofname

[languid lodge]

Interesting

[bold sandal]

Easily ascertained from the changelog.

[livid vigil]

^ Think had push access for 1.8(?)

[languid lodge]

Just curious, why is he so against merging? Is it because he just doesn’t want to, or is there another reason?

[feral spire]

go into his head

if you want to know

[languid lodge]

Okay so nobody knows

[peak pulsar]

Hardfork wen

we can only dream

[languid lodge]

Ah well thanks for clarifying :)))

[sick hearth]

or lets pull a velocity moment

being built from ground up

[languid lodge]

Just wanted to know what exactly the whole process is lol

[sick hearth]

[bold sandal]

That was clarity?

[languid lodge]

Yep

More than before lol

[bronze linden]

Ah yes, clear as mud

[bold sandal]

Mud in 1.19, apparently.

[bronze linden]

Exciting

Lemme know when that comes out in 1.21 or whatever

#skeptical

[acoustic burrow]

Actually, if worldedit is built against paper API, does this mean it doesn’t support spigot anymore?

[grave charm]

well you can build against the paper api, but just not use any paper-specific features, or have fallbacks, or smth

[bold sandal]

I guess we'll know in the next week.

[pulsar dagger]

WorldEdit isn't dropping spigot yet to my knowledge

[acoustic burrow]

So just extra features or better performance then?

[pulsar dagger]

I mean Paper will perform better regardless

[bold sandal]

It would be more informative to ask the WE team, no?

[pulsar dagger]

as far as features probably yeah

[acoustic burrow]

Hi, apologies, is the latest 1.18 paper experimental build just downloadable from the link provided by kenny? There's a few updates beneath it, so just wanted to know if it was the same link

[sick canyon]

Wait will world edit still work with paper,

[eager snow]

Yeah, he's just updating the jar as needed

[eager snow]

Yessir

[sick canyon]

Awesomeness

[eager snow]

*when it's updated probably

[acoustic burrow]

Thanks

[peak pulsar]

wooo 1.18 released today

[acoustic burrow]

not yet tho :p

[dreamy wasp]

i did see a comment saying worldedit works for 1.18 rc3? is that true?

[peak pulsar]

releasing ™️

[eager snow]

✨ Try it and see ✨

[acoustic burrow]

it does now, i just tried

on the 1.18 branch

Thanks paper team and Wiz

[rose falcon]

are these just bukkit derivatives? like how about fabric?

[tender gale]

https://bstats.org/global/bukkit

stats from bukkit API servers

also a cool graph

like everybody would expect, 1.17, 1.16, 1.12, 1.8

[acoustic burrow]

let me just confirm, people are waiting on 1.16 because there is no reason to update to 1.17 right?

and are waiting for 1.18

[timber ridge]

Some of them.

But sometimes people just hang out on older versions for a bit.

For whatever reason. Custom stuff not updating, not having time, etc.

[acoustic burrow]

Why though is my question

[mellow belfry]

There's no point moving to 1.17 when most servers will likely need a world reset for 1.18 or at the very least a lot of changes

It's just effort for no reason

[loud grail]

i assume we get a huge ping once paper releases for 1.18?

[white robin]

yes, but that will not be today

[loud grail]

course

i dont expect that .-.

[mellow belfry]

It'll be tomorrow or the next day (probably)

[loud grail]

ohh

thats earlier than i thought :D

[livid vigil]

Or it might be next week, or next year :)

[mellow belfry]

At least for a dev build it'll be the next few days

[livid vigil]

We're not giving any kind of promises. I wouldn't personally update to 1.18 before January, frankly

[loud grail]

why that?

[mellow belfry]

Fair enough

[livid vigil]

It's always unstable in the beginning :p

[loud grail]

riiight...

im just running a small SMP so it will prob be fine

[dreamy wasp]

worldedit on rc3 says "editing on unsupported versions are disabled"
is there a workaround?

[iron mason]

waiting

[pulsar dagger]

I mean, you're asking in the wrong place

should ask in EngineHub I guess, but it sounds like you're just not running the correct version of WE

[dreamy wasp]

ahh, sry 😮

[unique basin]

wen eta

[tranquil sorrel]

?eta

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[unique basin]

damn i should have made a joke about that

you're right

[tranquil sorrel]

ah, it is slash...

[unique basin]

take your time dev team

[timber ridge]

Can't tell if that's genuine or sarcasm . . .

[loud grail]

nooo work, give us 1.18 servers, coooode😌

[unique basin]

genuine

[grave charm]

I was talking in terms of stuff made by spigot. So directly comparing it to craftbukkit, not overall.

[acoustic burrow]

who actually manages bukkit now

or craftbukkit

[dapper lotus]

CB is dead

md maintains a fork of it

[acoustic burrow]

so md maintains bukkit?

[coarse saffron]

No

He maintains a fork of it

Paper is also a fork of bukkit, so we do too

The original bukkit is long dead

[acoustic burrow]

oh okay

[spiral rock]

when is 1.18 paper comming out ?

any guesses ?

[acoustic burrow]

.eta

?eta

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[dense river]

My personal guess would be "not before minecraft 1.18 is out"

[spiral rock]

i agree

[brazen pendant]

hahah 😄

[hoary gazelle]

Before 2022 would be an accurate guess, but it's still a guess.

[acoustic burrow]

worldedit being locked on rc3 makes me sad :c

[vivid girder]

Hi! I just want to say: great job, devs! I tried booting up a backup of my server and it works real nicely (apart from some plugins, ofc, but that’s expected). Can’t wait for the full release when it’s ready.

[eager oyster]

They will obviously do a Paper 1.18 release BEFORE the end of 2020.

[dense river]

maybe because everything else is as well

[pulsar dagger]

no you haven't lol

[dense river]

must have been in an alternate dimension because it sure wasn't this one

[acoustic burrow]

that feeling, when you have an italian pizza in front of you, but cant eat it

[hoary gazelle]

They just wrote 1.17 on a piece of paper.

[acoustic burrow]

[hoary gazelle]

Is there pineapple on the pizza?

[frank maple]

🤔 we play vanilla until paper 1.18 come

[acoustic burrow]

yes

[vivid girder]

I know a few italians that would be pretty upset with you for suggesting that pizza with pineapple on it would be considered italian

[eager oyster]

this argument is old though

[dense river]

-> #general

[eager oyster]

No I wrote it on the end of a spigot

That was forged in a waterfall

With the velocity of a paint Bukkit

[spring girder]

I just want to say thank you to all Paper devs and please don't overwork yourself for the new update, we all are fine with waiting (except maybe some people) 🦦

[languid lodge]

Ahmen to that!

[vivid girder]

Absolutely. You can't rush greatness!

[mellow belfry]

Paper devs good

[vivid girder]

And overworking is bad.

[eager oyster]

If eating paper is hard work so is this ✊

[still crane]

Eating a fist?

[agile steeple]

sure

[eager oyster]

🗿

[eager oyster]

I meant 2021...

[inner crypt]

Guys chill, we can't do anything before Mojang actually releases stuff

Redmond is still deeply asleep, so go play Fortnite or something in the meantime 😂

[eager oyster]

But fortnite doesnt have worldedit 😤

[stark pagoda]

unless paper hard forks from mojang

[loud grail]

we need minecraft

[stark pagoda]

[peak pulsar]

are there java devs in redmond?

Thought that was only bedrock

[inner crypt]

That's not how the teams are structured

Game designers work on both editions for example

Plus they do a simultaneous release for both editions

[eager oyster]

OK But one is Java based

The other is C++ Based

[peak pulsar]

hey,
when I try to applyPatches on the latest dev/1.18 release I get an error
https://onii-chan-please.come-inside.me/2021-11-30_12-16-04.png

[loud grail]

thats an interessting url

[dense river]

I'd say delete that gradle cache, always helps 😂

[peak pulsar]

yeah... I know xd just my screenshot server

[peak pulsar]

already did that... also cloned it again

just gonna do it once more...

[inner crypt]

And? The gameplay still works the same, at least that's the idea. The world gen is the same, the design is the same, etc

The majority of the work that goes into the game applies to both editions

[pulsar dagger]

the forgeflower log will be in Paper/.gradle/caches/paperweight/taskCache/decompileJar.log

if it just ends abruptly, check dmesg, prob oom

[peak pulsar]

yeah it just ends abruptly

[pulsar dagger]

so, like I said, check dmesg

probably OOM

paperweight spawns a new JVM with 4gb xmx for decompile

[peak pulsar]

yeah OOM xD... oh wow

ok then I can't compile it on my laptop... only have like 3gb free... I just gonna compile it at home on my pc

but thanks for the help :D

[pulsar dagger]

yeah ff likes to eat memory

[earnest birch]

Parity tests ongoing
https://twitter.com/henrikkniberg/status/1465612299150966785?t=yMcOkX-htuVCso1v9A8ZCA&s=19

[loud grail]

welllll

lookng good

so hope is high

[modern lintel]

so, paper had the per player mob spawn right?

has mojang implemented it in vanilla?

[fervent lynx]

nope

but yes, that is a paper feature

[peak pulsar]

Kann wer deutch

[inner crypt]

Sadly

[hasty grail]

hostings put ads in their panel?

[inner crypt]

Please open an issue with that tho

[inner crypt]

Free host

[peak pulsar]

Jas

[hasty grail]

i wonder if that makes it worth it

[inner crypt]

It's a bug in the java version parsing of paperclip, open an issue on paperclip repo please

[inner crypt]

Most of them also sell upgrades

[hasty grail]

what kind of upgrades?

more ram?

[inner crypt]

Stuff like that ye

[hasty grail]

ive honestly not used a host in like 6 years so the ads are new to me

[inner crypt]

And ngl, the rate of free hosts that donate to devs or projects like paper is higher than the rate of normal hosts

[hasty grail]

the upgrade / different plans make sense

im super confused whenever i see these $1 / GB hosts

like, how in the world do they profit

but i guess ads in the panel helps them with that

[inner crypt]

The servers also don't run 24/7

[ebon dove]

That's a good point there, I'll organize a donation from my server to paper 🙂

[next owl]

time4vps

is 10 dollor for 8gb

it has no ads

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hasty grail]

why would i do that when there is ovh

[autumn comet]

Keep this channel on topic please.

[ionic jasper]

Hey, what's your opinion on pebblehost for hosting 1.18 paper server when it will be released? They offer i9 9900 for pretty nice price, but what are your opinions on that?

[autumn comet]

extravm, bloomhost and dedicatedmc is what's been recommended in here

[ionic jasper]

And why is it?

[vapid prawn]

iirc pebblehost is basically just selling OVH servers to you for more money

[autumn comet]

Because those are recommendable hosts, that are known to not oversell and run by valuable community members.

[ionic jasper]

Like a lot of Minecraft Hostings, but not everyone wants to buy full dedicated server tho

[covert jolt]

bloomhost & dedicatedmc use the right GC flags we've been recommending aswell

[mint mango]

Either little hosts resell or they get trash servers cause big companys dont need them anymore

[covert jolt]

bloom has their own hardware in US aswell

[vapid prawn]

Sure, little hosts are supposed to stand out via good service

But people still come here for help with their server so... 😛

[ionic jasper]

As long as service is good, then it kinda doesn't matter if it's hosting from bigger services

but thank you for help

[vapid prawn]

I feel like this was just you looking for us to validate a decision you already made and when that didn't happen you just got defensive and brushed us off

[ionic jasper]

False, I wanted to check if you have any good hosting for reasonable price

[languid lodge]

Or host a server in your basement

lol

[autumn comet]

No

[plain solstice]

Can I rent your basement

[peak pulsar]

99% just resellers of Hetzner/OVH 😉

[languid lodge]

For the right price...

[hasty grail]

this isnt bad tho, for a small server https://sirkillian.gg/i/0ch5o4ctascwlz0l.png

[dry iron]

Small server? 10gb memory?

[hasty grail]

by small i mean up to 50 players or so

[ionic jasper]

That's overkill.

[languid lodge]

In all seriousness though, just buying a used server for 250 bucks and running it out of your basement saves you sooooo much in the long run

[ionic jasper]

At least for what I consider small server

[languid lodge]

Nope

Used IBM Server

[fervent lynx]

these topics are better suited somewhere other than this channel

[languid lodge]

Thing has like 24 ram slots lol

[covert jolt]

no

[languid lodge]

?

[inner crypt]

Can we keep the host questions out of here

[languid lodge]

sry :((

[inner crypt]

They just pollute the channel

You can use #paper-help for that

We created this channel in hopes of expitiding fixes for bugs people encounter on experiemntal builds

This wasn't an attack on anyone, just a reminder :)

[hasty grail]

has there been a lot of bugs so far?

[zealous musk]

not enough coal in the last rc

[mortal token]

mojang bug tracker

[hasty grail]

i meant bugs with paper

[inner crypt]

No it seems chill Killian

[mortal token]

multiply it with 10 and spigots tracker

[hasty grail]

MD5 better updates his shit fast

[mortal token]

eenglesh 💯

[hasty grail]

i know

im glad he released that rc3

[mortal token]

md5 resting before the storm

[steep arch]

The storm is already there 😂

[mortal token]

is arrives today and tomorrow

[hearty minnow]

Md5 lives in Australia

Unless he's pulling an all nighter

You're waiting till 6pm est

[mortal token]

he needs since rest

[steep arch]

Sorry, my bad, I got an update from the MC Wiki, someone changed "set to release" to "released" just now so I figured it was out just now but it's not yet

[vapid prawn]

btw that's 10 hours from now

[livid vigil]

Most likely part of a plugin

[dusty bluff]

minecraft 1.18 in 4 hours and 37 minutes?

[vapid prawn]

I'd guess Mojang release in 2 hours and 44 minutes

Spigot release who knows, earliest would probably be like 12 hours from now

Paper release some time this year 😄

Realistically you could probably take the rc3 build, change the protocol version, and use it on 1.18

[livid vigil]

bold of you to assume we're not just gonna sit on it and celebrate christmas instead

[tranquil sorrel]

that would be Tree 0.0.1

I got 52 years ago :D... so more like even Plant 0.0.1 :D

[mighty jasper]

how do you display the time like this?

[gleaming quartz]

Sending messages with dates in them:

1. Generate Unix timestamp, for example by going to: https://www.unixtimestamp.com/
2. Type: <t:TIMESTAMP:FORMAT>. For example to show something happening in 2 days, on Friday 9th, use <t:1625850000:R>

Available formats:
t: <t:1625850000:t>
T: <t:1625850000:T>
d: <t:1625850000:d>
D: <t:1625850000:D>
f: <t:1625850000:f>
F: <t:1625850000:F>
R: <t:1625850000:R>
https://discord.com/developers/docs/reference#message-formatting-timestamp-styles

[mighty jasper]

thanks

[vapid prawn]

<t:1638309600:R>

Nope, too long

It seems to do weird things with timezones

Unix timestamps should be UTC though

But it seems to read them as my timezone for the input

My timezone in Discord is right, I'm saying I put in a UTC timestamp but it treated it as a CST timestamp

So it's 5 hours off

<t:1638288000:R>

What in the...

Oh, right, this stupid website must have converted it

[raw glen]

Happy release day!!!!

[young tangle]

eeeeeeeeeee

[eternal ibex]

Why doesn't discord add a NOW type of thing

[untold python]

Is there a way to ignore this error?

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @safe inlet: https://paste.gg/407956a536fc484b9fc86a1252bc76e0

[peak pulsar]

((Logger) LogManager.getRootLogger()).addFilter(new LogFilter()); ```

[untold python]

Neat, ty

[peak pulsar]

put any datafixer shit spam into ignoredLines

[boreal apex]

This is the one I should use if I want to have a paper 1.18 server right?

[crisp cargo]

Use the latest one available. Also, what is the link to that?

[peak pulsar]

That's the waterfall build that supports 1.18 once it comes out, yes

[peak pulsar]

It's in the waterfall section in https://papermc.io/downloads

[boreal apex]

okay nice!

ty

[feral spire]

Alternatively consider velocity

[boreal apex]

what's that?

[crisp cargo]

Sorry,

[boreal apex]

never heard of velocity

[crisp cargo]

I meant to say what’s the link to the experimental downloads

[peak pulsar]

It's in #❗-1-18

[feral spire]

Modern proxy with better security #velocity-github

[boreal apex]

oh so it's better than paper? or an alternative?

[crisp cargo]

Soon, velocity will replace waterfall

It’s better

[fallen cloud]

its not an alternative to paper, it's a proxy

waterfall is a proxy as well, just to make this clear

[boreal apex]

ohhh

[crisp cargo]

The waterfall/velocity allows multiple servers to run on the same ip

With a lobby

[fallen cloud]

cut the "With a lobby", and then yeah, basically

[boreal apex]

that's cool

so technically

[crisp cargo]

You can make a lobby though

[fallen cloud]

yes you can

but that doesn't have to do anything with the proxy

[crisp cargo]

True

[boreal apex]

I can have a second server run the nether dimension?

[crisp cargo]

Technically, although if you want to do that,,, I would recommend the multiverse plugin

[inner crypt]

#paper-help please

[boreal apex]

oh ok

[fallen cloud]

uhm, theoretically yes, is it practical? no, not for servers with less than 100 players

[boreal apex]

okay

[silver heart]

Good luck devs and godspeed with the 1.18 update. Very much looking forward to using it on my server!

[ember berry]

Yes! Thank you devs for all that you do and put up with.

[rapid sparrow]

I may be largely underestimating how difficult it is but, rc4 only changes coal generation, so if spigot updated today, could 1.18 paper release today?

[peak pulsar]

There are still a handful of patches left to port, so probably not

[fossil path]

IIRC paper needs to wait on Spigot to release their 1.18 update right?

[candid flower]

Correct

[fossil path]

And then port over the remaining patches

[candid flower]

Also correct

[fossil path]

And test

[candid flower]

Which is why it will be a beta release

[verbal sand]

when 1.18 comes out will there be a 1.18 paper release or just the snapshot release

[candid flower]

It will be a 1.18 Paper Release, but with warnings that it hasn't been fully tested and could cause corruption

[fossil path]

#❗-1-18-experimental message

[verbal sand]

so probably not?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[peak pulsar]

not today

[verbal sand]

okay

[candid flower]

Spigot hasn't released RC4 server software yet either

So there will probably be a RC4 + Final source code dump

Once we get final, well, then patches must be finished

[peak pulsar]

Spigot will probably skip rc4, just like they did with some other snapshots/prereleases

[fossil path]

I'm assuming spigot is going to just jump straight to official release because why would you expend effort on making a rc4 release when the real update is out

[peak pulsar]

^ It'd be stupid to release rc4 hours before the 1.18 release

[candid flower]

RC4 only changes coal generation anyways

[frank lotus]

Will 1.18 servers be out when 1.18 realeses?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[golden wigeon]

no.

[candid flower]

@frank lotus No, you may need to wait a while. There is no ETA, but realistically, 90% odds of being ready in a week.

*within

[spiral schooner]

More conservatively three weeks.

[verbal sand]

3 weeks ?

[spiral schooner]

It's christmas coming up. Give it some extra time

[tranquil sorrel]

Well, the crazy stuff has already started on ofi MC server, as Bedrock was already released... The storm is coming.... :/

[dense river]

I'd suggest stop speculating and just waiting tbh

[spiral schooner]

^That

[fossil path]

Paper 1.18 will be out when the heat death of the universe happens, sometime between now and then

😉

[spiral schooner]

That's even if heat death occurs :3

[candid flower]

I'm just looking at it from the perspective of that we have a experimental 1.18 RC3 already though it is missing patches. Probably wouldn't take long for an experimental 1.18 final that is missing patches, but there is no eta for when those patches are stable or for when it's ready for production.

[dense river]

Exactly, you summed it up perfectly

[fossil path]

In other words, when it's ready, it's ready

[candid flower]

Like all things Minecraft these days

( 👀 at Wild Update which was supposed to be ready months ago...)

[verbal sand]

does paper dev team have to wait for spigot to release their 1.18 release?

[candid flower]

@verbal sand Yes. Can't do nothing till they release it.

[verbal sand]

alright

[dense river]

no

[coarse saffron]

Gotta bake the server at 350F for 4 hours

[candid flower]

Any news on how 1.18 performs compared to 1.17 with that world height doubling?

[fossil path]

Vanilla performs worse

I would imagine

[candid flower]

I assume the already-necessary chunk pregeneration will be even-more needed.

[verbal sand]

yeah that's usual though

[dense river]

They did add a lot of new optimisations so it's not as bad as you might expect

[fossil path]

🤔 interesting

[tranquil sorrel]

and I guess Paper will optimise lot of stuff...

[fossil path]

I did see stuff about incremental chunk saving

And other file format changes

[gleaming quartz]

^^ (there's more messages there, explaining it)

[candid flower]

At the rate of how optimized Paper is, I wonder if Mojang will ever just say on their website "here's our stock server jar - but you shouldn't use it, use a community mod pack instead because it's just too superior." One can dream.

[fossil path]

Nah, can't imagine they'd do something like that

[verbal sand]

could i put the snapshot jar on my server and join with a 1.18 release?

[peak pulsar]

no, the protocol version is different

[fossil path]

[verbal sand]

alright i've never used snapshot jars

[fossil path]

The snapshot jar only works with the snapshot it was made for

So only with rc3 currently

[candid flower]

@verbal sand No, you cannot, Minecraft has no protocol compatibility between versions. You can't connect to a 1.16 server from 1.17, a 1.16.5 server from 1.16.4, so on.

[dense river]

that's not true entirely

some versions share protocol

[verbal sand]

you actually can i am pretty sure

yeah like 1.16

[dense river]

plus there is ViaVersion^^

[verbal sand]

1.16.1 can join 1.16.4

[candid flower]

Actually 1.16.5 may be still compatible, my bad. 1.16.0 can't connect to 1.16.5 though, and 1.17.1 can't connect to 1.17.0 IIRC

[peak pulsar]

^ for example, all 1.8 ( ) releases share the same protocol version

[gleaming quartz]

1.16.5 and 1.16.4 use the same version.

[dense river]

but not 1.16.3^^

[fossil path]

Probably wouldn't recommend putting the experimental jars on production servers just yet anyways

Besides some plugins need to update to work with the new version

[vapid prawn]

The arrow of time is a harsh and all consuming force

[candid flower]

Not only that - if you are using experimental Jars (just in case anyone is reading this and considering it), there is no guaranteed world compatibility between experimental Jars. If you installed a snapshot, then install the next snapshot and the world is messed up, sucks to be you.

[verbal sand]

backups are a thing :)

[crude vault]

If people would finally start treating snapshots, pre-releases and release candidates as non-final product the development world would be easier.

[dense river]

you clearly have never done any IT support before

[candid flower]

There is also no way to restore worlds from a snapshot that is guaranteed @verbal sand - your backup would only work on that one snapshot.

[fossil path]

I'm gonna just wait until the beta jars come out for 1.18 before I start pregenerating my world

So I don't have to go up any versions

[verbal sand]

probs going to take the risk anyways

[devout fox]

So from what i gather, mojang released another update that lowered performance again 🙄

[vapid prawn]

If you know how to edit the protocol version in the source code and do a paper build you could have a 1.18 build already 😛

[fossil path]

👀

[vapid prawn]

I doubt there are going to be any protocol changes, they just bump the protocol version in their release task

[fossil path]

I will still wait until you port the patches over and stuff

[candid flower]

@vapid prawn I would expect that the protocol, even though we don't have the release version, would also be pretty predictable to calculate what it will be.

[strange umbra]

Bedrocks out. Guess i need to update geyser and belocity now so bedrock players can still join xd

[verbal sand]

geyser has a 1.18 out i think

[dense river]

We already know the protocol version

[vapid prawn]

You'd be missing the fixes in rc4, any between rc4 and final, and still have to worry about spigot and paper bugs from a bad update though

[fossil path]

They increased the world height and the world depth, in what world would that perform better upon release?

[kind pier]

Would it be possible to download the RC4 server jar and start my server early or should I wait for proper release?

[vapid prawn]

protocol version is rc4 version + 1 😄

[dense river]

No Column

[kind pier]

OK

That's what I figured

[peak pulsar]

close enough

previous non-snapshot/preview release + 1

[crude vault]

I believe Geyser has been in production from supporting 1.18 for 1 month now, so they may have already updated.

[candid flower]

Remind me... does Geyser work cross-version? I.e. If I installed Geyser for 1.18 on a 1.17.1 server and then added ViaVersion to support 1.18 clients, everyone would be able to connect?

From 1.18 clients

[fossil path]

🤨

[spring prawn]

Yes if you have via version

I think

[verbal sand]

yeah i know they've had betas for a while i think

[devout fox]

In what world would any of their updates perform better on release

[spring prawn]

Bedrock 1.18 has been released

https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4414284658701

[crude vault]

Ngl, I found the optimizations in the update very well done

[dense river]

They are

[fossil path]

Fair enough, but you gotta realize that worlds are suddenly a lot more massive and there's a lot more to generate and simulate now

[candid flower]

@crude vault Those optimizations mainly only affect the clients and not servers... right?

[fossil path]

[verbal sand]

how much reduced performance is expected?

[devout fox]

Yeah that's true

[candid flower]

Servers are still going to take a punch. It's just that people won't lose much FPS.

[devout fox]

Maybe im still a lil salty of the 1.14 release

[crude vault]

The rendering is smoother, but it is certainly more optimized for the client

[verbal sand]

1.16 to 1.17, my fps dropped a ton

[devout fox]

hOw DaRe ThEy

Yeah i feel like the rendering is better on 1.18.

[cloud phoenix]

could I pre-load the world in singleplayer before putting it on the host?

[devout fox]

For the client

[cloud phoenix]

feel like my pc might be beefier than the 10 dollar hosting service

[candid flower]

Mojang... Sodium is on GitHub, and it's under the LGPL 3 license, so you can just include it without having to make Minecraft open-source... so just use it please... (one can dream)

[crude vault]

Depends on the host you use, but I don't know of any that don't allow uploads

[vapid prawn]

Generating the world in a local Paper instance is going to be like 3x faster than doing it in single player

[dense river]

it's not that easy

[vapid prawn]

But that's a lot to upload either way

[cloud phoenix]

pretty sure they do yeah

[dense river]

That's just not how the world works

[candid flower]

@dense river I know... there's corporate politics and Mojang would have to adapt it to run in the absence of Fabric which would be messy. One can dream...

[crude vault]

If Mojang had the facility to add Spigot/Paper patches and optimization mods they surely would have done it by now

[livid vigil]

They incorporated 3? patches from Paper this update :p

[candid flower]

They probably do have the facility - they just don't care. The same reason there's no modding API and why server performance is low on the checklist.

[devout fox]

HEY but

[candid flower]

@livid vigil Is that new?

[vapid prawn]

Were they patches or just ideas?

[devout fox]

New MOB

[livid vigil]

They most assuredly care and they often do yoink patches we hand them. The problem is that they're often under GPLv3, which is a rather large issue :p

[verbal sand]

sodium 1.18 is out???

[peak pulsar]

Which ones? Destreamification, no tick view, and which other one?

[livid vigil]

I've no idea about most of them, amaranth. I know one was a Paper patch verbatim

[devout fox]

Mojang needs to officially partner with paper

[crude vault]

Fabric updates at about the same time as the official updates, so it must already be in development (but I don't know if there have been releases)

[devout fox]

Ask paper for advice

[peak pulsar]

won't happen, discord server isn't pg clean family friendly

[devout fox]

Kek

[livid vigil]

We're in close contact with them already, Sam :)

[devout fox]

Nice

[vapid prawn]

iirc the simulation distance stuff was actually a MCPE thing first

[crude vault]

Leaked: Paper bought Mojang from Microsoft at a cost of: 1 piece of cake

[candid flower]

@devout fox The main issue is Spigot (upstream of Paper) is GPLv3, which if Mojang used the code for, would force Mojang to open-source the entirety of Minecraft (which is not palatable at all). However, some Paper patches are under MIT license, which Mojang can (and apparently does) use as they please.

[vapid prawn]

Before Bedrock or Paper were things (yes, technically Bedrock is just MCPE but still)

[devout fox]

Ye go get a loan of 12bill and grab mojang guys

[dense river]

Again, it is not as easy as you make it out

[ornate salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hilarious-lol-funny-gif-18212925

[devout fox]

Oh cool

[candid flower]

Well, yeah, I'm oversimplifying. The patch owner always owns the copyright and can reassign it under a different license after the fact, things like that.

[vapid prawn]

MIT license doesn't mean "do what you want", you have to add people to the credits and such

[candid flower]

I know - I meant that Mojang wouldn't have to open-source everything in contrast to GPL

[devout fox]

World is too complicated

Go next

[lethal warren]

Wasn't paper working on getting independent of spigot?

or am I making that up lol

[dense river]

At one point once Hangar is released

[candid flower]

And it's also possible for a patch to be dual-licensed - because licenses don't override copyright. A person could distribute their project as GPLv3, and then personally sell licenses to the project for a LGPLv3 version as long as other contributors signed CLAs. An example of this would be Qt.

[kind pier]

Wouldn't paper being independent mean that spigot plugins may not work though?

[dense river]

Yes

[devout fox]

I think everyone and their mom uses paper tho

[peak pulsar]

After the hard fork, spigot only plugins will probably break (over time)

[kind pier]

seems like a big trade off, not being able to use spigot plugins

[dense river]

That would be a result of that. Probably not immediately but over team

[kind pier]

Yeah I understand that

I'm stuck on old plugins thats all 😛

[dense river]

Which is why we are waiting until Hangar is released to have a platform for Paper plugins

[devout fox]

Any popular plugin probably will have paper support

[peak pulsar]

1.18 out in-game right

Pretty sure only bedrock is out rn

Ah

[verbal sand]

1.18 comes out at 6pm gmt doesn't it?

[peak pulsar]

So how much more time

[candid flower]

Right now, without Hangar, the Spigot repository is the main place where people get plugins - and if your plugin wants to be there, it must be compatible with upstream Spigot (no reliance on Paper-specific APIs). So Paper is (right now) locked-in to supporting the Spigot API set and developers are locked-out from using Paper APIs (or if they do want to use them, they have to implement a Spigot-compatible code path alternative).

Making Hangar means that this compatibility with Spigot is no longer necessary, developers don't need to be backwards-compatible with Spigot, developers can use Paper APIs without having to implement the same function twice, so forth.

[languid lodge]

3 hours

[peak pulsar]

Ah k

[verbal sand]

2

its 3:58pm gmt

[crude vault]

I believe there will be only 1 hour of release difference between Bedrock and Java, i.e. in 2 minutes maybe?

[verbal sand]

i've heard 6pm gmt

[languid lodge]

Ah duck, meth failing me once more

[candid flower]

Same - Noon ET here is what I've heard

[peak pulsar]

iirc spigot wants the core functionality to be spigot compatible, so you can make certain optimisations on paper, or extra small features, as long as the core plugin works on spigot

This is drifting slightly offtopic though

[kind pier]

I heard 1pm EST

[crude vault]

No mojang developer has talked about times, so it's pretty much anyone's guess.

[languid lodge]

New channel #hard-fork ?

[candid flower]

@peak pulsar I was trying to say that but couldn't figure out the wording. If I'm a plugin developer, I can use a superior Paper API, but I have to make sure there's a Spigot compatible version even though, well, Spigot's popularity has wained....

[crude vault]

https://www.minecraft.net/pt-pt/article/caves---cliffs--part-ii-out-today-java yep.

[spring prawn]

I glanced at that and read something completely different

[wise vine]

it begins

good luck devs, try to stay sane

[unique basin]

oh no

[floral crypt]

Yeah!

[languid lodge]

Hypeeee

[unique basin]

not there for me yet

fuck i have so much updating to do

[strange umbra]

Rip. Need via version updated xd

[mellow belfry]

Let's hope for a peaceful update process eh? I sincerely hope you get it done as quickly as you can within comfort, and enjoy your days spigot/paper devs :)

[unique basin]

well with the release candidates hoping for the best

[inner crypt]

https://www.twitch.tv/kennytvn

redeem all your twitch prime here!

[autumn comet]

Don't forget, twitch prime is free!

[regal stag]

(wish i could redeem it, but i dont live in USA)

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange umbra]

Neither do i?

[velvet sinew]

outtttttttt weeeeeeeeeeeee

[burnt dock]

yeah

[gentle carbon]

Wait he actually got affiliated? Lmao

[dense river]

ye

[gentle carbon]

Gg

[iron mason]

https://www.minecraft.net/de-de/article/caves---cliffs--part-ii-out-today-java its out guys

lets go

[crude hatch]

Hyyyyyyype

[unreal path]

[astral roost]

GG

1.18 out

[next parrot]

gyudw

yes

[fresh rune]

spigot team so slow....

are we skipping rc4?

[gentle carbon]

If spigot doesn’t update to rc4 (which they’re probably going straight to 1.18) then yes, it’s being skipped

[fresh rune]

nice

[gentle carbon]

Can’t update to rc4 if upstream doesn’t have rc4

[inner crypt]

paper will include mojangs rc4 fix

[torn abyss]

hey is ther any version of paper thats on 1.18 ? i need it for my bedrock player

[boreal apex]

what are modules and can I remove it?

[sick peak]

1.18 👌😳

[heady grail]

Paper 1.18 is not ready for use. Do not use it for anything other then testing or development.

[boreal apex]

oh

shit

I know devs hate this question but when will it be ready

[covert jolt]

when it's ready

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[boreal apex]

k

[torn abyss]

okey thanks -:D

[strange umbra]

Use viaversion

[gentle carbon]

You’ll know when it’s ready

[strange umbra]

https://github.com/ViaVersion/ViaVersion/releases/tag/4.1.0

[dense river]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/builddata/commits/8814411100e91e323a23a9a6355fa7d28e091054 what

[agile iris]

any updates on paperspigot 1.18?

[dense river]

No

[covert jolt]

so much for being the fastest to release

[dense river]

Paperspigot doesn't exist

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[covert jolt]

paper has been beaten by spigot yet again

[coarse saffron]

!warn @boreal apex don't antagonize staff (asking ETA knowing that is not allowed)

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Warned H1dd3#6352 (don't antagonize staff (asking ETA knowing that is not allowed)) [1 total infraction] -- DenWav#1989.

[boreal apex]

what

ok

[timber quail]

aaahhh cant wait for 1.18 paper ❤️

[gentle carbon]

lol

[peak pulsar]

How did md do that so quickly

[subtle knot]

me 2 😄

[azure iron]

Docker is ready. Give us the jar daaddy

[coarse saffron]

It's not hard

[gentle carbon]

The changes were small mostly

[peak pulsar]

I know, afaik there's literally no changes with rc4, but still

18 minutes

[grave charm]

There was like 1 change total

[gentle carbon]

The coal thing iirc

[gilded ice]

Let the people work!!

[grave charm]

Which is why Kenny was able to update to 1.18 with just a commit (see #paper-github)

[coarse saffron]

We could have released 1.18 final before mojang did

But that would have been weird

[gentle carbon]

1.18 before mojang o.o

[heady grail]

And quite funny

[cloud imp]

I can't believe 1.18 is released! yeee

[solemn arch]

Do I need jdk 17 in order to run the new update?

[strange umbra]

ye

[shy oxide]

oh hey 1.18 got released any eta on paper 1.18?

[peak pulsar]

jre/jdk 17, yes

[unique basin]

yes

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[solemn arch]

Gotcha. Thanks

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[strange umbra]

Technically. Its now xd

[peak pulsar]

lmao 3 eta's

[unique basin]

backwards compatible with java 16 things

[cloud imp]

'Java 17'

[unique basin]

just send out /eta every few seconds

[shy oxide]

ok thank you !

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[gilded ice]

Now the bot is spamming

[earnest prawn]

Lol

[strange umbra]

Dont slow mode us D:

[rigid loom]

D:

[woven island]

0 to 1?

[grave charm]

Paper already had a similar change, so whatever mojang did there isn’t implemented anymore with Paper.

[dense river]

no fast blinking emojis please

[strange umbra]

[unique basin]

[dense river]

that is a slow blinking emoji, that is fine!

[crisp cargo]

Lol

[azure iron]

[peak pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/derek-aaron-ruell-napoleon-dynamite-nice-fist-pump-strike-gif-5694326

[woven island]

its nice thing for Minecraft to think about performance from time to time

[shy oxide]

wow the tweet from mc really flopped i expected like 100k instantly

not that im complaining or anything

[still lily]

There's no ETA's on when Spigot 1.18 is going to be released. You just got to be patient. We are all waiting. Constantly asking in chat isn't going to make their release come faster. (Sorry I seen all the messages asking about it)

[simple tusk]

yea would be nice if they did it a little more...

[woven island]

in 1.35 maybe?

[grave charm]

Spigot’s 1.18 is already released

[shy oxide]

1.20 when

[dense river]

Don't ask for ETAs

[pliant verge]

The loqding screen for 1.18 is very pretty

[tired whale]

Got all my startup scripts ready to go for 1.18. I'm so stoked!

[coarse saffron]

Paper 1.18 will be released in 157 seconds

[shy oxide]

ayo

[ember berry]

pog

[grave charm]

Oh man, DenWav dropping those ETAs

[boreal apex]

fr?

[gritty bloom]

Where can I download Mojangs server.jar? I can only find 1.17.1 on minecraft.net

[simple tusk]

[coarse saffron]

Wait and see

[autumn comet]

tc goes brr

[boreal apex]

okay cool

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[ember berry]

build command go brrrr

[solid goblet]

hello kings

[peak pulsar]

.remindme 157sec

[drowsy umbra]

spigot 1.18 is out
https://hub.spigotmc.org/versions/1.18.json

[peak pulsar]

hello broccoli

[long edge]

thanks for letting us know @drowsy umbra

[drowsy umbra]

np

[heady grail]

:remindme 157sec

[long edge]

that ins't a thing

[heady grail]

Was checking

[shy oxide]

:remind 157s

[floral crypt]

Woah! Nice!

[drowsy umbra]

was camping on buildtools and just reran it for the jokes and it worked lol

[vapid prawn]

[peak pulsar]

pretty sure simple's bot does have it

[vapid prawn]

Is that too fast?

[shy oxide]

i have no clue where to download spigot so i just use paper lol

[vapid prawn]

That's how I feel reading this channel 😄

[ember berry]

[peak pulsar]

[onyx rampart]

You would need to use the Buildtools, but Paper is just better 😄

[round scroll]

[unique basin]

paper >>>>>

[grave charm]

BuildTools

[dense river]

[merry scaffold]

Sus

[shy oxide]

sus

[unique basin]

sus

[oak raven]

[autumn comet]

The emoji looks quite... questionable in compact mode

[unique basin]

very sus

[autumn comet]

https://i.imgur.com/FTn0oM2.png

[dense river]

specifically for nmf

[shy oxide]

paper

[cloud imp]

wow

[ember berry]

new logo?

[shy oxide]

submitted

just found this and it looks pretty similar

[vapid prawn]

[peak pulsar]

Yeah

[unique basin]

didn't realize yeah

[hybrid pivot]

indeed

[cloud phoenix]

thought that was still 90 min out lol

[hybrid pivot]

tends to happen

[peak pulsar]

should i post this in spigot

when is 1.15 coming out

*JOKE

[shy oxide]

agreed

[unique basin]

when are we getting the nether update

[runic pumice]

WHAT

[shy oxide]

when are we getting bees

[runic pumice]

BRUH

[dusty atlas]

when is minecraft comeing out

[unique basin]

2011

[shy oxide]

2022*

[dusty atlas]

2011 is too far

[frosty seal]

do you guys think it will be out before december 10th?

[strange umbra]

Whats the ETA on People stop asking for ETAs

[peak pulsar]

hytale will kill us

[heady grail]

A year ago

[vapid prawn]

When you say nether update do you mean the one in October 2010?

[shy oxide]

no eta

[unique basin]

yes

the one where they added the nether

[peak pulsar]

hytale 🛌

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[unique basin]

what else would i been on about?

[peak pulsar]

havent heard that name in a long time

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[dense river]

Don't spawm the eta

[vapid prawn]

1.15 iirc they did a big overhaul on the nether

[autumn comet]

Can we not spam this

[unique basin]

i'm checking the eta on the bot response

[peak pulsar]

1.19 END update

[unique basin]

/s dont kill me

[vivid iron]

Electronic Travel Authorization (eTA) - Canada.ca

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/visit-canada/eta.html

3 days ago ... The Government of Canada's official website to apply for an eTA to fly to, or transit through, a Canadian airport. It only costs $7 CAD.

Requested by IK_Knight - About 5,690,000,000 results (0.35 seconds)

[heady grail]

Lolol

[vivid iron]

Adventure Update – Minecraft Wiki

https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Adventure_Update

The Adventure Update was a major update to Java Edition focused on fighting, exploration, and adventuring, as well as other aspects.

Requested by Jqshuv - About 33,600,000 results (0.40 seconds)

[peak pulsar]

we must destroy hytale servers and devs

[vapid prawn]

Adventure Update, the one that ruined the game 😄

[shy oxide]

i dont see much paper 1.18 def 157 seconds passed

[vivid iron]

Electronic Travel Authorization (eTA) - Canada.ca

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/visit-canada/eta.html

3 days ago ... The Government of Canada's official website to apply for an eTA to fly to, or transit through, a Canadian airport. It only costs $7 CAD.

Requested by DanDeMedicMan - About 5,690,000,000 results (0.25 seconds)

[molten radish]

damn 1.18 spigot is out?

[peak pulsar]

@ denwav @ denwav

[molten radish]

that's extremely fast holy shit

[dense river]

Some of y'all really wanna not get the announcement later

[vapid prawn]

Made it easy mode and killed off any ability to do survival mode pvp

[vivid iron]

Downloads – PaperMC

https://papermc.io/downloads

You can download the latest versions of Paper or Waterfall below. Paper 1.17.1; Waterfall. Active development for the current Minecraft version.

Requested by Lemon553311 - About 9,700 results (0.22 seconds)

[autumn comet]

!kick 602025586017304578 No need to spam bot commands in topic channels

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Kicked Lemon553311#4407 (No need to spam bot commands in topic channels) [1 total infraction] -- NotMyFault#3732.

[amber hound]

where can I get spigot 1.18? i only saw 1.18 rc3

[dense sail]

buildtool

[molten radish]

i have never seen spigot be so damn fast in my life lol

[peak pulsar]

testing only btw !!

[clear fox]

Wasting 0 time

[shy oxide]

:C

[oblique sierra]

is it out already?

[cloud phoenix]

guess theres not much diff between RC4 and release then?

[naive river]

spigot already relase their 1.18 ?

[peak pulsar]

yes

[dense river]

Yes

[night heron]

Yes

[dense sail]

then the paper 1.18 release will be available soon

[oblique sierra]

lets go

[dense river]

As a few hundred people in here already mentioned

[cloud phoenix]

Yes

[opaque aspen]

any estimate to when bukkit will release?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[autumn comet]

[night heron]

Already out

[peak pulsar]

might be a good idea to post something in #❗-1-18 ,should keep at least a few people from asking

[unique basin]

bukkit? leans on chair i haven't heard that name in years

[peak pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-star-wars-memories-name-ben-kenobi-gif-4100026

[naive river]

NOICE from spigot, i think paper would catch up quickly~

[cloud phoenix]

blast from the past

[glad condor]

R.I.P bukkit lol

[feral hull]

We know

[low path]

Bukkit is still the underlying API for Paper lol

[boreal apex]

I love bukkit

[tepid furnace]

So do you know him?
"of course I do, its me"

[glad condor]

true

same with spigot in ways too though lol

[molten radish]

i was so scared for the future of mc plugin servers

[livid vigil]

@dry iron if it isn't one wonderful man's avatar

[molten radish]

after that bukkit drama

[pallid merlin]

Does 1.18 require Java 17?

[vapid prawn]

Hi, I'm that drama

[glad condor]

same bro

[peak pulsar]

Yea

hypeskies

[pallid merlin]

oh boy

[peak pulsar]

does anyone remember the dumb thing

any way to get the spigot 1.18 jar?

[vapid prawn]

buildtools

[peak pulsar]

i filled a bukkit with my spigot then it fell like a waterfall and i used paper to dry it up

[merry scaffold]

Just like any other way

[peak pulsar]

or something

[pallid merlin]

Man I wish there was Java 18, then it would be Java 18 for Minecraft 1.18

[zealous idol]

is there actually supposed to be a stream or is that announcement just bait

[unique basin]

then i sent it on an airplane

[unique basin]

hello worldguard man

[glad condor]

I wonder what bukkit would be like if it was still fully around today

[marsh cove]

I mean there is, just early access now

[vapid prawn]

In a few months

[dense river]

The channel hosts kennys stream

[peak pulsar]

dont ping him he is mald

[boreal apex]

There was a bukkit drama?

[zealous idol]

weird, not working here

[glad condor]

yup

[autumn comet]

He streams on twitch

[dense river]

Twitch :' )

[naive river]

java 17 LTS is good enough isn't ?

[finite knoll]

hey wizjany 👋

[boreal apex]

oof

[vapid prawn]

https://www.twitch.tv/kennytvn

[oblique sierra]

no stream yet

[unique basin]

yeah

[peak pulsar]

[drifting sonnet]

I still don't really understand how bukkit/spigot releases work. it's like magic that all our servers even work...

[peak pulsar]

is there java 18 or sum?

[runic pumice]

how long did 1.17.1 paper take to release ?

[peak pulsar]

Good that java 17 is LTS, because java 16 was already dead before 1.18 release

[glad condor]

alot of it was drama over who owned what

[peak pulsar]

minecraft and java updates should sync

[boreal apex]

ohhh

[long edge]

https://jdk.java.net/18/

[peak pulsar]

java 18 1.18 java 19 1.19

[drifting sonnet]

Thank god for Mojang API!!! 😢 😢 😢

[ember berry]

he is building itttttttt

[peak pulsar]

He’s building paper? Rn?

[naive river]

yes he is building it live

[peak pulsar]

I’m gonna shit

[drifting sonnet]

They should build live and get some $$$ for the stream!

[tulip lotus]

you can get java 18 early access

[molten radish]

stuff happened and Bukkit pretty much died over night

[thick hatch]

im kinda a noob but is it just debian_openjdk-17

[peak pulsar]

what happens to old biomes when updated to 1.18?

also they added paletted biome storage right?

[molten radish]

way longer than what we're currently seeing i'd say

like 1.17 spigot took days or even weeks iirc

while 1.18 took spigot a few minutes

granted they already started before release of course

[runic pumice]

WOW

[winged coral]

it was like a month

[molten radish]

Maybe this is just how hyped 1.18 is

[peak pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

write your own

https://tenor.com/view/cool-im-so-tom-cruise-gif-13209253

[lone spear]

1.18 paper speedrun any%

[peak pulsar]

me running my server with the errors regardless

[ember berry]

essentialsx is out

[unique basin]

ok

[unique basin]

consolespamfix

[peak pulsar]

use log error supressor 😎

[night heron]

Errors? What are you taking about? Only 100Mib of logs so far

[naive river]

essentials X is catching up bois wow this is QUICK

[dense river]

Please stop spamming this channel with every plugin that updates

[molten radish]

Excuse me what

[dense river]

This channel is not for update spam.

[molten radish]

what the fuck is happening in 1.18 this is some real magic

[unique basin]

i'll see you next week when we get paperweight-userdev 1.18

[boreal apex]

lmao yeah

[ember berry]

https://essentialsx.net/downloads.html

[molten radish]

i've never seen everything get updated so fast

[unique basin]

jk love you paperweight team

[molten radish]

feels like we're experiencing the future

[lone spear]

Reading this chat while listening to Harder Better Faster Stronger really fits honestly

[ember berry]

they rely on spigot, they had a pullrequest for the last week for 1.18 support

[dense river]

Watch https://twitch.tv/kennytvn and relax 🙂

[boreal apex]

🙂

[unique basin]

pov: you're #❗-1-18-experimental

[dense river]

!warn @unique basin Blinking gif

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Warned Auxilor#0001 (Blinking gif) [2 total infractions] -- aurora#4484.

[finite knoll]

smh Aux

[unique basin]

oh did i send the broken one

[coarse saffron]

The server releasing now or in a day is not going to kill anyone

[peak pulsar]

whats wrong with blinking gif

[unique basin]

i just searched 'several people' in the gif search

[boreal apex]

where can I download the 1.18 experimental jar btw