#❗-1-18-experimental

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dark wigeon
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Never, sorry

vivid ironBOT
dense river
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ez

acoustic burrow
peak oracle
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:D

untold flare
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is 1.18 more optimized than 1.17? (in terms of resource usage, and yes i know there's more to process now but overall..)

white robin
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No

untold flare
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so optimization is still garbage, oof

unique basin
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'what's an optimization?' - mojang, probably

dense river
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they actually did quite a few things

peak pulsar
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you guys still hoping that mojang will ever optimize their game

dense river
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they are

timber ridge
white robin
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At least 3x as optimized

timber ridge
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Nice!

heady grail
timber ridge
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No, Kenny optimizing Kenny.

covert jolt
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kenny 🥺

heady grail
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Ah I did not read the full conversation, just saw mojang and optimization so I had to make a joke.

unique basin
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guess what i'm having more issues with paperweight because of course i am

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admitting defeat and that paperweight will never work cross version because noone wants it to, updating 1.17.1 to data version 3 clearly is beyond the limitations of possibility

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so i'm doing the one thing i didn't want to do which is write my 1.18 nms code in a whole other gradle project because why would i have a nice workflow when i can bend to fit with paperweight's brokenness

timber ridge
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Cool

unique basin
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but now it doesn't even want to work at all

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Could not resolve io.papermc.paper:paper-api:1.18-rc3-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.

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fym

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if i can import the dev bundle i can import the rest of this shit

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so why won't you work gradle

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im losing my mind

autumn comet
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Because the deployed paperweight is not ready yet. Build it yourself and publish it to maven local

dire turret
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hi

balmy fjord
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ILLIMAR KANGUR

timber ridge
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"How come all of this experimental stuff that's labelled experimental isn't production ready"? -half the people in here

unique basin
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im just going to give up and hope that it's fixed so that i can release 1.18 support at a reasonable time

autumn comet
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It is fixed, the deployed builds are just cached.

unique basin
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ah

autumn comet
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Tbf, it was never broken in the first place, just the deployed builds were

unique basin
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still have to do annoying multiple projects because 1.17.1 is data version 2 and gradle doesn't like having different plugin versions between submodules

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which is an enormous pain in the dick

autumn comet
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So is supporting old versions.

unique basin
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1.17.1 is not an old version

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it's still the current version

weary storm
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Worst case composite build

unique basin
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god forbid i want to have customers at all

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i mean that would just be horrible

covert jolt
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patience™️

unique basin
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im hoping

covert jolt
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first time paper updates to 1.18 with new tooling & first time in quite a long time where paper releases pre-release versions

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expect it to be broken one way or another

unique basin
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i'm fine with things being broken

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that's obviously to be expected

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i don't like how the refusal to have v3 data for 1.17.1 means that everyone who touches nms at all has to resort to having extra projects (not submodules, whole other projects) because gradle can't handle having different versions of the same plugin

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if 1.17.1 just had v3 data then everything would be perfect

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but it doesn't so everything's a shitty workaround with a horrible workflow

autumn comet
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Then there's no need to complain on a daily basis, we are aware that things are not working as expected yet, that's normal for this kind of stuff.

covert jolt
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it'll be fixed sooner or later

unique basin
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as long as it gets fixed at some point that's fine but from what i can tell there's no plans to fix it

white robin
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You just have to chill for more than 2 seconds

covert jolt
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i think the paperweight authors are well aware of the suboptimal situation

timber ridge
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This kind of stuff is why people hate doing pre-releases.

autumn comet
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Hurr durr you're saying that not everything works 100% from its beginning?? How dare you!

timber ridge
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Instead of seeing it as a boon because you can start updating and check/test things, people are griping that things aren't done yet or are broken. I mean - come on.

unique basin
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difference between working 100% and working at all

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but yeah fair enough

gleaming quartz
# unique basin i don't like how the refusal to have v3 data for 1.17.1 means that everyone who ...

Noone nowhere refused it. In fact, there are plans on providing a solution after other, more pressing matters are resolved.
You can subscribe to the issue to be notified when it gets done.
https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight/issues/116

GitHub
Support 1.17.1 in latest userdev · Issue #116 · PaperMC/paperweight

It would be nice to have support for MC versions continuously through newer bundle versions, either through supporting the legacy bundle versions, or updating old MC versions to newer bundle versions.

unique basin
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you're right i should mention that issue

Screenshot_2021-11-29_at_10.44.13.png
solid goblet
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then wait

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1.18 isn't even out

inner crypt
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No

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Mojang should show stuff as soon as possible, to gather as much community feedback as possible

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If that means that stuff doesn't make it or get late or whatever, that's just how game dev works and you gotta deal with it

peak pulsar
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I wish every game would ask players feedback

inner crypt
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Stuff moves around releases all the time

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The new world gen was planned for summer for example

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Nothing is done until it's delivered

gleaming quartz
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It goes to show how awful devs are at estimating time.

weary storm
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That's how it works

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Either delaying or pushing broken shit

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Sometimes you just discover you need a new approach etc

inner crypt
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Its not even devs

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Game designers need time to iterate

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You set a goal, so that you don't go iterate forever, but if you are close to that goal and not happy yet, you move the goal

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It's impossible to predict

cursive thistle
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don't game designers recruit predictors? how so? (sarcasm))

terse hamlet
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just finish it 4Head

half plume
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I have a question about the max-block-height setting for the anti xray:
If you are above the block limit and then you enable the xray, will you see blocks bellow you (I mean non-fake ones) or ONLY above you ?

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Idk if it's clear ^^"

gleaming quartz
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It only mangles blocks below that height.

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Player location doesn't matter, block location does.

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If I understand your question correctly :)

half plume
wary silo
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When I try to connect to the server, it says ''Please use the 1.18 RC-3 client'' even tho I am on that client already

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Anyone experienced something similiar?

covert jolt
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reproduce without plugins

wary silo
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Still occurs

covert jolt
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reproduce without proxy

wary silo
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Though it is linked under bungee

covert jolt
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that's your issue then

wary silo
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That's not possible, yet?

covert jolt
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dunno if the latest waterfall supports 1.18 yet

wary silo
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I did update viaversion and waterfall for RC-3

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Checking the commits of waterfall, it seems to be updated for that

raw glen
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has anyone tested the world blending when updating paper?

mellow karma
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antixray config generation is not working on last commit? (nevermind, found the issue)

spare vale
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org.gradle.api.internal.tasks.TaskDependencyResolveException: Could not determine the dependencies of task ':applyPatches'.
        (only gradle classes in the stack, removed them)
Caused by: org.gradle.api.internal.tasks.DefaultTaskContainer$TaskCreationException: Could not create task ':applyServerPatches'.
        (only gradle classes in the stack again, removed them)
Caused by: java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: 'void io.papermc.paperweight.patcher.tasks.SimpleApplyGitPatches.doNotTrackState(java.lang.String)'
        at io.papermc.paperweight.patcher.PaperweightPatcher$createPatchTask$patchTask$1.invoke(PaperweightPatcher.kt:262)
        at io.papermc.paperweight.patcher.PaperweightPatcher$createPatchTask$patchTask$1.invoke(PaperweightPatcher.kt:52)
        at io.papermc.paperweight.patcher.PaperweightPatcher$inlined$sam$i$org_gradle_api_Action$0.execute(TaskContainerExtensions.kt)
        at org.gradle.api.internal.DefaultMutationGuard$2.execute(DefaultMutationGuard.java:44)
        at org.gradle.api.internal.DefaultMutationGuard$2.execute(DefaultMutationGuard.java:44)
        at org.gradle.configuration.internal.DefaultUserCodeApplicationContext$CurrentApplication$1.execute(DefaultUserCodeApplicationContext.java:112)
        at org.gradle.api.internal.DefaultCollectionCallbackActionDecorator$BuildOperationEmittingAction$1.run(DefaultCollectionCallbackActionDecorator.java:95)
        at org.gradle.internal.operations.DefaultBuildOperationRunner$1.execute(DefaultBuildOperationRunner.java:29)
        at org.gradle.internal.operations.DefaultBuildOperationRunner$1.execute(DefaultBuildOperationRunner.java:26)
        at org.gradle.internal.operations.DefaultBuildOperationRunner$3.execute(DefaultBuildOperationRunner.java:75)
        at org.gradle.internal.operations.DefaultBuildOperationRunner$3.execute(DefaultBuildOperationRunner.java:68)
        at org.gradle.internal.operations.DefaultBuildOperationRunner.execute(DefaultBuildOperationRunner.java:153)
        at org.gradle.internal.operations.DefaultBuildOperationRunner.execute(DefaultBuildOperationRunner.java:68)
        at org.gradle.internal.operations.DefaultBuildOperationRunner.run(DefaultBuildOperationRunner.java:56)
        at org.gradle.internal.operations.DefaultBuildOperationExecutor.lambda$run$1(DefaultBuildOperationExecutor.java:74)
        at org.gradle.internal.operations.UnmanagedBuildOperationWrapper.runWithUnmanagedSupport(UnmanagedBuildOperationWrapper.java:45)
        at org.gradle.internal.operations.DefaultBuildOperationExecutor.run(DefaultBuildOperationExecutor.java:74)
        at org.gradle.api.internal.DefaultCollectionCallbackActionDecorator$BuildOperationEmittingAction.execute(DefaultCollectionCallbackActionDecorator.java:92)
        at org.gradle.internal.ImmutableActionSet$SetWithManyActions.execute(ImmutableActionSet.java:329)
        at org.gradle.api.internal.DefaultDomainObjectCollection.doAdd(DefaultDomainObjectCollection.java:264)
        at org.gradle.api.internal.DefaultNamedDomainObjectCollection.doAdd(DefaultNamedDomainObjectCollection.java:113)
        at org.gradle.api.internal.DefaultDomainObjectCollection.add(DefaultDomainObjectCollection.java:258)
        at org.gradle.api.internal.DefaultNamedDomainObjectCollection$AbstractDomainObjectCreatingProvider.tryCreate(DefaultNamedDomainObjectCollection.java:944)
        ... 137 more

I get this when trying to build a fork of Paper fork, did I miss some update?

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actually stacktrace is much longer but I don't think its removed part would be useful

terse hamlet
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.paste all of it

spare vale
earnest birch
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Does your fork uses the same paper weight version as upstream at that commit?
I fail with that every time. 😄

sick hearth
torn kite
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I know you propably have a TON of these messages arround, so I am sorry for that, but any idea how long could it take for this version to stabilize?

half walrusBOT
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__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
fossil path
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7 years

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Sometime between now and 7 years

spring prawn
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6.9 years to be more precise

iron mason
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6.94 years*

spring prawn
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*6.9420 years

sick hearth
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rc4 out raised_eyebrow_gif

fossil path
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Yup, looks like they just "fixed coal distribution"

spring prawn
torn kite
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I am not asking for a precise release

fossil path
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Whatever that means

spring prawn
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I thought they only wanted to release one release candidate

torn kite
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just wanted to know if I should expect it soon or later

autumn comet
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There's no such thing, see the bot's message above.

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Rephrasing your message doesn't change the answer

torn kite
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okay, just asking. I know its not easy, its just that I have a christmas event on my private server soon (13 days) and I want to know what to expect

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anyways, thanks for at least botting me off XD

half walrusBOT
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__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
torn kite
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I can read you know

fossil path
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Well you can expect that it will come out when the update is finished 😄

torn kite
earnest birch
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π-years

torn kite
long edge
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don't be rude, they got an answer

torn kite
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anyways, its time for me to leave this server, just wanted to check what should I expect as I said.

bleak violet
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no eta is best eta. take your time papermc team pepeheart

mortal token
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Best eta is community

ornate salmon
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Asking for release when full 1.18 isn’t even out yet. 😂🤦‍♂️

mortal token
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And the amount of activity in general

tranquil sorrel
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I loved last release, how the bot was counting how many times did people asked about eta... :-D

bleak violet
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is 1.18 going to be any more different than the snapshots?

fossil path
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It'll be pretty much the same as rc4

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Might be a bug fix or two

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But the release candidates are pretty much the same thing as the official release

bleak violet
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ohhh ok

valid turret
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wtf since when is there a rc4 😆

fossil path
valid turret
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wtf that was quick

mortal token
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Tommorow 1.18 pogg

fossil path
valid turret
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yesss

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hype

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thanks

velvet roost
spring prawn
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Lmao

covert jolt
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the release date has literally been announced a week ago

terse hamlet
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mojang invalid source what youtuber said this

mortal token
bronze linden
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Just wait until we get 1.18.1

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😭

young tangle
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why are they still releasing rc3? rc4 is already out

solid goblet
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?

icy crown
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?

brazen pendant
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?

young tangle
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release candidate 4 is already out

icy crown
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Okay?

feral spire
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ok?

brazen pendant
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ok

bronze linden
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Reading comprehension is hard

icy crown
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Spigot isn't on rc4 yet

young tangle
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oh

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thats why

feral spire
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Do you know how any of this work? @young tangle or do you spend some time to read #❗-1-18 ._>

peak pulsar
young tangle
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sorry im dumb

hasty grail
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i hate how whenever you ask a question here you just get attacked

young tangle
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i thought rc4 released yesterday

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lmao

kindred basalt
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Even then

hasty grail
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its fucking annoying*

young tangle
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it was a genuine question tho

feral spire
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good question gets good answer here

young tangle
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i thought rc4 was released yesterday and im just outdated

kindred basalt
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Especially when the person is asking hours after the vanilla update

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Not to fault them. Misunderstanding about when it released

solid goblet
hasty grail
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It happens a lot where ppl get a rude response. Not everyone has the time to read every single message in this discord. If you can't deal with answering a question, don't answer 🤷 If you are taking the time to write a response, might as well just give them the answer.
It will save them time and honestly stops a bit of the negativity

terse hamlet
latent parrot
young tangle
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ngl minecraft patch notes should have an "edited at ____" for ppl to know when it was released

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especially since they use the same post

livid vigil
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New topic, folks ;)

latent parrot
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^

hasty grail
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i wonder what exactly they changed because i didnt notice a thing about coal yesterday lol

lilac marsh
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How is the performance currently in 1.18-rc builds?

unique canopy
peak pulsar
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it's missing a few optimization patches

sick hearth
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(which isn't really paper's fault)

feral spire
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well worldgen is gonna be a bit slower coz world is literally double the size as before Hype

sick hearth
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you're still out of luck

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even a 5950x is getting 60 chunks/s

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8673068 chunks generated, overworld size: 95G

lilac marsh
neat mulch
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I swear if mojang doesn't do an optimization update after a single update had to be split into 3 parts...

raven panther
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they optimized chunks and world gen/loading in 1.18 though

lone spear
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I think 1.18 was the optimization update
With all the new features lol

topaz nymph
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I love one line updates!!

hasty grail
lone spear
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. Oh god

neat mulch
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they could still do more like that feature where they were going to turn large flat surfaces into a single face

raven panther
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vanilla 1.18 performs much better than 1.17 for me

hasty grail
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pre-gen will still be mandatory

sick hearth
hasty grail
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walk.

sick hearth
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what hardware

hasty grail
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infra2 ovh, dont know specs from the top of my head

sick hearth
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how many threads allocated?

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infra-2 is 2288G

hasty grail
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it was 2 players flying in creative into unloaded chunks

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its mostly fine but we noticed it does these weird tps drops

sick hearth
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actually im not sure about the old infra-2

hasty grail
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not sure how to replicate the drops yet but we assumed it was a specific structure that gens

lone spear
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Is paper stable enough rn to not worry about world corruptions? Or should I switch to fabric for a bit

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(the 1.18 experimental releases)

inner crypt
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Nothing is stable

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Always make backups

autumn comet
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You should definitely wait after the initial release of 1.18 to worry about stability.

inner crypt
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Doesn't matter if you use fabric or paper

vague falcon
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1.18 itself isn't even out period you shouldn't be running it on any platform in production

lone spear
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Guess I might just do vanilla until it's stable 'enough'

inner crypt
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We don't know if we will release paper day one, or even be able to

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We also don't know if vanilla is stable enough

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There hasn't been a release without a quick .1 in a while

lone spear
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1.18.1 Changelog:
• removed bug that would delete system32

inner crypt
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If you care about your world, wait two weeks, that's a good guess

vague falcon
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That unironically happened with the dungeons launcher lol

hasty grail
feral spire
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the worse part of all chew is that

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they didnt fix it right away

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lol

hasty grail
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surely thats not intentional?

feral spire
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ask Mojang to fix those

lone spear
hasty grail
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they wont fix it

feral spire
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those are micro biomes

hasty grail
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they said they cant fix it but they will try to reduce them

feral spire
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it will be odd if paper try to alter the world generation

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I am sure 99% of player will not want that

earnest birch
hasty grail
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that said, the structure looks kinda cool, but sometimes you get like a random tall jungle tree in the middle of a desert / snow biome for example xd

feral spire
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The biome Minecraft is missing is volcano tbh

hasty grail
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the microbiome thing is super ugly imo but its something we will have to deal with

feral spire
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I played modpack before and a volcano would look cool happy

bronze linden
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The biome minecraft is missing is performance trollface

vague falcon
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Just waiting on the Rory biome 😔

feral spire
bronze linden
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True

inner crypt
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I mean

feral spire
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You could've tell that to Fall Guy developer

hasty grail
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what also bothers me is how they didnt change the dungeon structure... it looks super ugly in the new deepslate caves lol

vague falcon
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That INCLUDES file sizes looks at ARK

lone spear
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Anyways I kinda wanted to do a 1.18 Christmas advent thing so I guess I'll just bite the bullet and run 1.18 without the .1 update while making 10 backups a minute

vague falcon
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People still play among us as well sadly

feral spire
lone spear
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Nah I meant vanilla dw (for my own server with like 2 people)

feral spire
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its like project winter but with shitter graphic when I first saw amongus

lone spear
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👍

wise vine
hasty grail
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no longer have the coords

wise vine
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you may not like it, but i got someone that would love that

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aww, oh well

hasty grail
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it can create cool shit

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but usually its not cool lol

midnight crypt
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would anyone happen to know where the experimental server jars can be downloaded?

grave charm
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scroll up a few msgs

peak pulsar
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it was the saddest ice biome ever

naive river
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is it going to be a struggle for 3970X running 1.18 rc 3 ?

peak pulsar
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no

naive river
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how resource intensive is running 1.18 server compared 1.17 server ? im worried that my puny 32GB ram handling 150 ish player won't be enough

hasty grail
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its not that much more demanding

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not from what ive seen at least. Then again, im kind of an idiot sometimes

naive river
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because i saw the world size is HUGE compared to 1.17

hasty grail
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also, pls tell me that 32gb was a joke

hasty grail
peak pulsar
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you'd have to compare tho

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sections above won't increas

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caves below tho maybe

hasty grail
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i can check rn

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the region files dont look bigger in size, but there is probably more of them on a fully generated world

peak pulsar
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how many mb a pop?

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it can vary quite a bit but they are like 2-8mb

naive river
feral spire
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You do not need more than 10G to host a server

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For majority of server 10G will be enough

peak pulsar
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^

solid goblet
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killians message was about file size anyway

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wait no it wasn't pepela

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yea thats a troll

hasty grail
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so im going to assume there is just more of them

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i could maybe pregen a 1000x1000 later and compare

hollow wind
hasty grail
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thats a 1000x1000 world genned in 1 sec

naive river
hasty grail
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maybe ill do a 5k world lol

naive river
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try 15K

ember isle
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Why stop there.

night gale
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Try 30Mx30M /s

tender gale
naive river
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running around in spectator mode with 10 of my friends running together, booting up using linux VM, allocated 4 core of 3970x, quite smooth~

unknown.png
hasty grail
tender gale
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the fix for this is somewhere down that thread

sand ruin
hollow wind
hasty grail
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im doing a 5k world while i eat dinner

hollow wind
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testing me too, seems to be fast 🥺

unknown.png
naive river
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and watch out for bandwith usage when alot of player running around 😂

peak pulsar
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chunks are taller but meh

hollow wind
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well taller chunks maybe means slower loading times

naive river
hollow wind
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5k x 5k

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but i'm running it on a very slow vps, with mechanic HDD (no ssd)

peak pulsar
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bruh

naive river
peak pulsar
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mechanical on a vps?

hollow wind
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yeah is a cheap vps that i use for telegram or discord bots

polar quarry
peak pulsar
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how much per month

hollow wind
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i'll try on my dedicated server with ryzen 3600 and nvme ssd

polar quarry
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am i reading that right? 1.18 is 30% heavier than 1.17?

hollow wind
peak pulsar
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ur just throwing arbitrary numbers around

polar quarry
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ah, good

vapid prawn
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Chunk generation is like 40% of what it was in 1.17 but it's also doing at least twice as much work so...

naive river
polar quarry
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ah! [laughs in quad core server]

naive river
naive river
upbeat sky
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Hi, I would like to build against the mojang mapped server jar for development and be able to automatically build my plugin using Github actions. Therefore I don't really want to have to build the jar every time.
I know a mojang mapped jar is currently available for download, do you plan to keep supporting this (if possible with the licencing and such)?

vapid prawn
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I think you want paperweight userdev

upbeat sky
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Ok, I will take look at that, thanks

polar quarry
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ofc, its an outstanding cpu

feral spire
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Good for what

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1 player? Yes

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Dedicated to yourself?

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Yes

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Debian

polar quarry
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why ubuntu (just curious)

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also everywhere i look it says its a 2.7ghz cpu, how did you overclock a laptop to 3.8 ghz?

feral spire
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Go with Debian then

autumn comet
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Strike out the to maximize performance and you are good to go

naive river
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i7 7500 should be enough for 10 - 15 players, use Ubuntu :>

polar quarry
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be careful with debian, you'll definitely get very good performance with it but it has issues with stuff like laptop gpus and wifi cards (please don't run a server on wifi)

autumn comet
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There is bar null difference between using debian or ubuntu but a personal preference

dapper lotus
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Linux in general is gonna perform better than windows, etc

feral spire
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Distro is just a choice and choice is yours

naive river
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oh sorry, its a 2 core 4 threads, unless you're using tons of plugins it will able to perfom just fine~

dapper lotus
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But, practically every distro is about the exact same with a bit of different tooling choices; apt vs yum, netplan vs ifup, etc

hasty grail
naive river
polar quarry
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does paper 1.18-rc3 have starlight?

naive river
hasty grail
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ill test this again when the final builds start to come out

rigid loom
heady grail
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Did 1.18 actually add any new blocks, or is it all just 1.17 blocks?

dapper lotus
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1.18 was mostly just finishing off what was started in 1.17

gusty trench
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It's all 1.17 blocks

dapper lotus
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nothing new was really added afaik, see the changelogs

naive river
hasty grail
#

no new blocks

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just texture changes

hollow notch
#

what is this error? Exception: java.lang.NoClassDeffounderror thrown from the uncaughtexeptionhandle
er in thread "Server thread"

gusty trench
heady grail
#

yay I don't have to go though adding blocks to the default config file

dapper lotus
#

what is this error

#

idk

#

maybe like actually provide the full error?

hollow notch
gusty trench
#

There's a latest.log file in your logs folder, hopefully

dapper lotus
#

if it's that crap you can't get the actual basic info from, we can't help you

heady grail
#

@hollow notch Best we can tell is that something is referring to a class that does not exist.

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That's it.

hollow notch
#

so now I force it to copy , is rely hard to get it to copy in win 7


B:\servertesting\paper-1.18.0>java -Xms1024M -Xmx3048M -jar Paperclip-1.18-rc3-R
0.1-EXPERIMENTAL-reobf-3.jar -o true nogui
Starting org.bukkit.craftbukkit.Main
System Info: Java 17 (OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 17.0.1+12-LTS) Host: Windows 7 6.
1 (amd64)
Loading libraries, please wait...
[20:19:11 INFO]: Environment: authHost='https://authserver.mojang.com', accounts
Host='https://api.mojang.com', sessionHost='https://sessionserver.mojang.com', s
ervicesHost='https://api.minecraftservices.com', name='PROD'
[20:19:11 INFO]: Reloading ResourceManager: Default, bukkit
[20:19:12 INFO]: Loaded 7 recipes
[20:19:13 INFO]: Starting minecraft server version 1.18 Release Candidate 3
[20:19:13 INFO]: Loading properties
[20:19:13 INFO]: This server is running Paper version git-Paper-"0fe0613" (MC: 1
.18 Release Candidate 3) (Implementing API version 1.18-rc3-R0.1-SNAPSHOT) (Git:
 0fe0613 on dev/1.18)
[20:19:13 INFO]: Server Ping Player Sample Count: 12
[20:19:13 INFO]: Using 4 threads for Netty based IO
[20:19:13 INFO]: Default game type: SURVIVAL
[20:19:13 INFO]: Generating keypair
[20:19:13 INFO]: Starting Minecraft server on *:25565
[20:19:13 INFO]: Using default channel type
[20:19:13 INFO]: Paper: Using Java 11 compression from Velocity.
[20:19:13 INFO]: Paper: Using Java cipher from Velocity.
>
Exception: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError thrown from the UncaughtExceptionHandl
er in thread "Server thread"
heady grail
#

This still tells us nothing

hollow notch
#

yea is all i get

#

first experimental work.

dapper lotus
#

if that's al there is, we can't help

hollow notch
#

Shall I try fresh install instead?

heady grail
#

Although you really should not being using Windows 7.

hollow notch
#

win 10 are no good and win 11 is even worse

heady grail
hollow notch
#

I´m not want my computer restart

naive river
#

wow some plugins even run right away without problem, love it ❤️

unknown.png
heady grail
hollow notch
#

Sad thing not all things exist on linux and no wine are not a fix for the issue ether (it has it´s own issues to).

naive river
polar quarry
#

don't tell the kid to install linux just to get rid of a weird paper error, they probably have their reasons to use an unsafe old os

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or just stubborn idk

hollow notch
#

adobe, all games i have. and winscp are some things some not exist or likely good.

polar quarry
#

bruh

polar quarry
#

nevermind what i said, then

naive river
#

omg

polar quarry
#

don't forget to add "his main windows 7 pc" for the shock-factor when others read the chat

naive river
dark wigeon
#

Sure it can

hasty grail
#

depends on the cpu

dark wigeon
#

How do you think singleplayer works

feral spire
#

….

#

Windows 7 is an OS

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Not hardware

hollow notch
#

I will ofc or force to move from win 7 when i upgrade my computer, so can not stay on win 7 forever XD

And no I only run testserver on my computer not any production server (It can´t handle that, it has to little ram).

hasty grail
#

os doesnt matter

#

besides, if its just to play with a handful of friends, it will be fine

#

yeah it will be foineee

hollow notch
#

no I have i5 2500k 980 gpu and 16gb ram and several ssd and hdd lol

polar quarry
#

you'll be fine

naive river
#

for a local lan multiplayer 8 ish player its fine~

hasty grail
#

it will not be foinneee*

dark wigeon
#

I wish I had 16G of ram

sick hearth
hasty grail
#

not much tho

sick hearth
#

IO perf is much better on Linux

hollow notch
#

I can say 16 is to little next time i will have at least 32gb ram 🙂

sick hearth
#

ext4/brtfs/zfs/etc is also faster than ntfs/fat32/etc

hasty grail
#

if you use more than 10gb of ram you are doing something wrong unless u have a very specific usecase

naive river
polar quarry
#

is discord always like this

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people assuming their opinion is superior to others

hollow notch
#

say that to my computer some complaining and shot down my programs.
only idea run on 3gb two minecraft 1.17 clients and web browser and you are done.

hasty grail
polar quarry
#

reminds me of irc

hasty grail
#

just take everything with a grain of salt and look at actual data to make up decisions

dark wigeon
#

Looking forward to using 1.7.10 on a 1.18 server

hollow notch
#

I can only run 1.18 server if i close down most of the running programs (i use approximately 14GB to 15GB) with one 1.18 client

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and one 1.18 server

#

if i has idea and web browser running

hasty grail
#

how tho

#

how much ram is allocated to the server and to your client?

polar quarry
#

14 to 15 gb seems extremely excessive

#

with a 1.18 client and server

naive river
#

is it possible to boot up creative server using RC 3 ?

hasty grail
#

then how exactly does it use 14-15GB if server is only taking 3

hollow notch
polar quarry
hollow notch
#

one error i get when not have ram left

hasty grail
#

imagine you allocated 12 to client xd

hollow notch
#

if you not limit it

hasty grail
#

but 3+3 != 14-15 lol

polar quarry
#

but how are you using 15 gb of ram with minecraft??

hollow notch
#

with idea mincraft client 1.18 web browser

naive river
#

if anyone has free time help me to stress my server out, running 1.18 rc3 address : minecraft.kiryuukaito.live creative mode enabled!

hasty grail
polar quarry
gusty trench
polar quarry
#

i wonder if they're secretly running 420 chrome tabs

hollow notch
hasty grail
hollow notch
hasty grail
polar quarry
#

you were right

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steam, gitub, fnaticop, autodesk, battle dot net, wargaming, atom, intellij, a bittorrent client...

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that's like five chrome instances

hollow notch
polar quarry
hasty grail
rugged radish
#

What a chad

hollow notch
hasty grail
#

click the first tab

#

what language is this

#

click "processer" @hollow notch

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then click "minne"

polar quarry
hollow notch
polar quarry
hasty grail
#

oh

warm ravine
#

That's W7, you're not gonna find PC info in the task manager lol

hasty grail
#

i didnt know win7 looks that bad lol

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im still confused whats eating the ram tho

hollow notch
warm ravine
#

@hollow notch Can you press the windows key + R and put in msinfo32 and press enter. Screenshot the window that pops up. That'll tell us your system specs.

hasty grail
#

is there a reason why you still use win7?

hollow notch
hollow notch
polar quarry
warm ravine
#

Ah wasn't sure what y'all were trying to get lmfao

hasty grail
#

he said he allocated 3GB to client, 3Gb to server and yet its running out of memory while he has 16GB ram

#

so now we wanna know where the 10GB is coming from lol

hollow notch
warm ravine
#

He's got like 40 other things taking up stuff

polar quarry
warm ravine
#

Yeah you're trying to run a server on a PC running other stuff lmfao

#

Either buy and install more RAM or close stuff out

dapper lotus
#

AVSLUTA! AVSLUTA!

warm ravine
#

cat spray

hollow notch
#

Was way I say i will upgrade to 32Gb next time 🙂

polar quarry
dapper lotus
dark wigeon
#

buy a 240G ssd for swap 👍

hollow notch
#

So when I need upgrade, i do it probably 🙂

polar quarry
#

i'd say its more of an user error...

hollow notch
#

yeah I know I can´t buy to day. Because the current situation.

But I run testserver to test plugin and i need have idea open and two clients to test out my own code and some games use lots of ram too (they load lots of data to ram).

#

I know for example factorio load the map to ram and have you big map loaded. I can say it easy use 8GB.

polar quarry
#

ah so you're coding 1.18 stuff while playing other games, everything makes a lot more sense now

hollow notch
#

I not often run a second game beside(I not have ram to do that ether)

lilac marsh
#

how much more RAM will my server need to use?

#

I have about 30GB available to use.

heady grail
#

Depends

lilac marsh
#

i5 cpu

dark wigeon
#

10G is the highest youll realistically ever need for any server

#

the limiter these days is single-core CPU performance.

heady grail
#

Me who gets away with 1GB of ram on my testing server...

dark wigeon
#

highest

lilac marsh
#

By the way, I found out that the default RAM allocation in Minecraft is far from enough for 1.18. I doubled the RAM usage, my frames doubled along.

peak pulsar
heady grail
#

No...

lilac marsh
#

I bought a machine lol

heady grail
#

Sometimes allocating more ram then you need causes issues.

peak pulsar
#

like?

#

if you use the correct flags it should be fine

lilac marsh
#

It never caused issues for me.

#

Not that I knew at least

rocky nest
#

anything over ~12 is marginal benefits

#

the biggest limiter is CPU.

heady grail
#

Just allocate what you think you need, and then add a few extra GB just to be safe.

peak pulsar
#

yeah but if you have 30 sitting around it won't hurt to use them all

rocky nest
#

split it across 2 servers would be more efficient

lilac marsh
#

I'll probably go for 16GB

heady grail
dark wigeon
#

way too much

#

8-10 is the max

#

too much can be bad

gleaming quartz
#

It can. You are removing yourself from using it for multiple servers, or letting your OS use it for cache.

rocky nest
#

well yeah using 32 on a system that has 32 would be a problem, but given aikar has flags for 12+, 12's fine.

heady grail
#

Meanwhile my testing server is crying about it's 1gb limit

gentle carbon
#

There’s too little ram, and too much ram, you have to hit the sweet spot for your server specifically

#

No one setting or ram allocation will work in every server, it all depends on your needs

peak pulsar
#

hi, i play with 12 friends on my server on survival with some farm... I have choice between a 8GO Ram debian system or a 16Go Ram System. Which is better for us?

rocky nest
#

eh no as much as you can up to 12 should be fine

gusty trench
rocky nest
heady grail
gusty trench
#

At 12 players, RAM isn't a big concern

peak pulsar
#

you will be fine

rocky nest
#

that tells me nothing

#

"amd epyc" could be one of thousands of CPUS

dark wigeon
#

they spelled epic wrong

gentle carbon
#

Like what clock speed? What model? Etc

proud zenith
#

Does paperweight userdev already work with 1.18?

gentle carbon
#

It should

proud zenith
rocky nest
peak pulsar
#

2x AMD Epyc 7452

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you'll be fine for 12 players

rocky nest
#

not the best CPU, but it'll work. I assume this is shared hosting / a VPS?

peak pulsar
#

no a public cloud from infomaniak

heady grail
peak pulsar
#

i have choice form instance between 1 to 32 cores

gentle carbon
#

Cloud usually means vps or shared hosting

peak pulsar
placid roost
#

Dumb question; is rc3 stable enough if I wanted to just run a small survival? Or should I just wait?

gentle carbon
#

So not shared hosting, either dedicated or vps

gusty trench
gentle carbon
placid roost
#

Cool thanks

peak pulsar
#

between 12€/month with 4cores and 8Go to 25€/month for 8cores and 16Go ram

gusty trench
gentle carbon
#

^

peak pulsar
#

i think you can create your own configuration

gentle carbon
#

It’s called experimental for ᔑ reason

peak pulsar
#

you have the price here

polar quarry
peak pulsar
#

oh yeah this thing ... internet is a kitchen

rugged radish
#

Click to accept my cookies and see my message: ||lol 🍪 ||

sharp zodiac
#

Best server hosting for a small server of like 12-15 people?

dense river
peak pulsar
dense river
#

That's not really the right channel for that

peak pulsar
#

oh sorry

dense river
#

no problem

odd stirrup
sick hearth
#

[20:55:00 INFO]: [Chunky] Task running for world. Processed: 9590058 chunks (98.08%), ETA: 0:47:40, Rate: 65.7 cps, Current: 197, 1548

#

almost, there..

polar quarry
dapper lotus
#

I just use the i don't care about cookies extention, seems to work thus far

empty glacier
pallid moon
#

Damn I didn't know that was a thing

vapid prawn
#

Organizations can use gmail for their email and such

#

Schools are organizations

pallid moon
#

Nifty, the moar ya kno

odd stirrup
#

yeah - they don’t let us change our pfps any more

#

which is garbage

hearty minnow
#

@still sparrow pfp

pallid moon
vapid prawn
odd stirrup
#

they reset them to these terrible low res images:

#

like i can see the pixels

pallid moon
#

Or atleast haven't been since lyk 12'

odd stirrup
#

i dont think so

pallid moon
#

Isn't it some randum shape?

#

Like four squares and a square in the middle or sum shit

hearty minnow
#

can you guys continue this in general not the channel made for 1.18 experimental build discussion

odd stirrup
#

oh lol i didnt realise this is where we were

pallid moon
sharp zodiac
gusty trench
#

No, it's bad

sharp zodiac
#

Shockbyte is bad?

#

Rip

#

I live in Canada so it’s kinda weird finding a server host with servers in Canada.

#

Shockbyte looked promising.

rocky nest
#

I mean canada has OVH so if you're ok with quebec there should be heaps of hosts

sharp zodiac
#

Should I even try to use shockbyte?

autumn comet
#

extravm, bloomhost and dedicatedmc is what's been recommended in here

zealous musk
#

^^

warm ravine
#

Depending on what side of Canada you're on you can also go with a server in Buffalo, NY if you can find one, it's close to the border

inner crypt
violet mortar
#

for inexperienced server owners

unique nymph
peak pulsar
#

Just don't choose a host that doesnt tell you what cpu you get, thats the worst thing

dapper lotus
#

The internet has a few dozen peering points around the world

#

just go for the general reason, no need to give a shit too much about where exactly it is, it rarely matters

unique nymph
#

Yeah, but when you get that 4 msec ping...

mellow belfry
#

This version is quite ram heavy I've noticed

#

Not paper specifically, just 1.18 and spigot in general

warm ravine
#

A lot more is loaded per chunk now

#

So it's gonna eat a bit more ram

mellow belfry
#

I'm hoping paper and spigot can at least soften the blow

livid scroll
#

chunks are bigger now, there's twice the world

violet wing
#

lot more disk space too

pseudo epoch
#

Seems to be better than early versions of 1.17.

empty glacier
#

Besides the fact the mojang is still releasing RC versions the day before release lol

empty glacier
feral spire
#

I mean for those who "pregen" to try to get ahead, their coal distrubation is fucked

#

that's why you want to wait til final final version

empty glacier
#

Not that I'm worried I run 20gb on a server that has about 30 players first day of a new world, then dwindles down to 10-12 on at once after a few days

empty glacier
#

In this release I assume it will get a lot of early patches also after release

#

Once the masses rip it apart

violet wing
#

no one ever listens

lusty flicker
#

i never preloaded my worlds lol

violet wing
#

though this is kind of like the same issue that happened in 1.17.0, and then they fixed in 1.17.1

lusty flicker
#

set a border and let players load it all in, that's what i did pepeshrug

empty glacier
#

This update was too ambitious on the terrain too late into the update to finish it properly. And my god basically only Henrik did most of it lol

feral spire
#

for small server that would be fine @lusty flicker

lusty flicker
#

we had around 50 players

#

1.17 tho.. not sure how 1.18 will do

feral spire
#

paper handles chunk generation nicely but every little bit adds up if your server is big

violet wing
#

it usually won't lag if you do that but chunks tend to load in very slow for most servers with a lot of players in new chunks

feral spire
#

so pregen is still reommended say around your spawn point 5k~10k even if you dont plan to have a borader

lusty flicker
#

yea i noticed if you "hard-load" chunks the server just dies

empty glacier
#

I flew around in paper 1.18 for about 30 mins last night. For me it ran beautifully vs vanilla (doesn't take much but still). But that was just me solo

feral spire
#

fabric client mod phosdorime

lusty flicker
#

most survival servers have something like /rtp, now imagine 50 people rtp-ing every 5 seconds

feral spire
#

from 100 fps to 200 fps

lethal warren
#

Particle.Barrier removed in 1.18?

timid wolf
#

yall think an smp is safe to start now?

violet wing
#

but if you use something good like essentials its fine

dapper lotus
#

1.18 literally isn't released yet

lusty flicker
#

i wrote my own to store 20 static locations just for 1.18

lethal warren
empty glacier
#

and any legit survivals have huge worlds impossible to pregen all of it lol

lusty flicker
#

that way players walk/fly into chunks

#

instead of getting dropped directly into it

dapper lotus
#

I meant to the person asking if it was good to use yet

violet wing
#

i've used it to check how broken it is but that's about it

feral spire
lusty flicker
#

am I the only one who thinks 1.18 cave entrances are too large?

empty glacier
#

Imagine with 10+ people flying with elytra into new chunks at once XD

lethal warren
#

Is there a 1.18 change log or api javadoc?

gusty trench
violet wing
empty glacier
feral spire
dapper lotus
#

I've published the javadoc jars, but, no javadoc site yet cos that depends on the actual thing

timid wolf
#

1.18 actually running really good

dapper lotus
#

changelog otherwise, see the commit logs from upstream mostly

lusty flicker
#

it looks like someone went over with a worldedit smoothing brush

lethal warren
dapper lotus
#

our API is generally stable outside of stuff coming out/in during updates

#

Stop mentioning

violet wing
#

there's not very much flat terrain in 1.18 tbh, is what I've noticed

dapper lotus
#

javadoc jars are on maven

gusty trench
violet wing
#

it's a shame cause you get these mountainous "plains" biomes

lethal warren
#

Sorry, was just hitting the reply button,.

#

I will check the nexus repo

gusty trench
#

It bothers me

timid wolf
#

yeah I wasn't expecting my 1.17 plugin to work flawlessly right away

empty glacier
lusty flicker
#

i still use a 1.16 plugin... tested in rc-3 paper and works flawlessly

empty glacier
#

Look inside the caves with night vision, it is disgustingly ugly lmao

lusty flicker
#

people will get used to it sooner or later

iron mason
#

i hope terralith will make 1.18 worlds a bit better

empty glacier
#

Iris is pretty good

#

For a plugin

#

Not the shader Iris but world gen Iris

iron mason
#

the shader is also very good

empty glacier
#

Agreed

dapper lotus
#

Lets make a plugin which puts blocks in a world!

#

What do I name it,, errr...

#

I know, a part of the eye!

empty glacier
#

I get 125+fps with sildurs extreme with Iris

lusty flicker
#

can't wait for tomorrow's 1.18 release... -60 players

empty glacier
#

My server won't have it until 60 plugins work lmao

lusty flicker
#

we only have like 40

#

a lot of big plugins didn't work on rc-3 like essentials/deluxemenus

#

but that will probably change

empty glacier
#

Yeah I am not doing crap without essentials lol

lusty flicker
#

what about deluxemenus o-o

#

im not about to re-write 60 menus

lethal warren
#

I'm tempted to upgrade all the open source plugins to 1.18 myself just to release quicker

empty glacier
#

My game is mostly vanilla (backend plugins) so we don't use fake currencies etc

lusty flicker
#

i want to get rid of NMS plugins asap

iron mason
#

i only have essentials, plan, dynmap and bluemap

earnest birch
#

Can't wait to see many server update on day one.
Free bug reporting and a bug reduced experience in a week. ❤️

empty glacier
#

I stopped using maps. It kills the survival experience of exploring and finding peoples bases etc

unique nymph
empty glacier
#

But I do a vanilla style, obviously that isn't for a lot of people lol

dapper lotus
#

force upgrade just loads the chunks and runs them through DFU

#

Like, it does transformations but there is a good chunk which occurs during placement

#

or, well, when it's actually loaded as the post upgrade logic isn't ran through --forceUpgrade

empty glacier
#

and while it's doing it you say "DFU" to yourself over and over , as in "don't f*ck up" lmao

iron mason
dapper lotus
#

Data Fucker Upper

feral spire
violet wing
empty glacier
#

lol

dapper lotus
#

honestly

#

chunky is the better world upgrade tool thing

vague falcon
#

i never recommend --forceUpgrade lol

empty glacier
#

Imagine pregenerating when your world is 1 million border or more

dapper lotus
#

I think that there was a way to force it to load the chunks even if they're already gen'd?

unique nymph
dapper lotus
#

generally you pregen a small "hard" radius and let people gen past a few k

violet wing
#

cat, I've used it to proc DFU in minor updates even lol (probably overkill, but just to get rid of stupid maplike errors etc)

dapper lotus
#

pregen that far would be a world killer

feral spire
#

@violet wing selling custom worldgen pre-set when (?) partner with some artist from MC that's a million buck idea!

empty glacier
#

NASA level hard drive space needed lmao

lusty flicker
#

did anyone try running a mc server on M1 chip?

empty glacier
#

But yeah I usually pregen 5k in all directions

topaz nymph
#

Honestly the DFU recode has led it to be PRETTY fast.... tbh it's not rly needed to force update as much.

feral spire
#

One thing I do find the modding side does better is custome dimensions and their custom structures

topaz nymph
#

Kinda amazing that one person upkeeps an entire recode of the DFU x)

feral spire
#

pretty lacking on the bukkit side.

empty glacier
#

kinda like optifine

dapper lotus
#

Yea, that's the issue with worldgen

#

vanillas worldgen has moved substantially since that API has been made; here and there the odd things are added but it's mostly been stagnant

#

One of the many APIs I'd be happy for a replacement for

feral spire
hexed flower
#

They constantly break them too

empty glacier
#

I'm just happy paper and the forks exists and do their thing. Even when I play singleplayer I use it because it's so smooth vs the garbage choppiness in vanilla

peak pulsar
#

so uh wuth dfu

#

does it put da bedrock under

empty glacier
#

In vanilla 1.28 mining tree logs was intermittently freezing me up lmao

#

1.18

#

I really wish they'd redesign their bug tracker: it's so hard to find issues and know if you should submit or if you are wasting your time with a duplicate (likely)

dapper lotus
#

It's jira

hexed flower
#

Jira isn't really made to be public

#

It's for teams

dapper lotus
#

mojang ain't gonna make their own bug tracker from scratch

empty glacier
#

Exactly lol

dapper lotus
#

and, well, nobody has a good bug tracker for laymen

iron mason
#

they need github as a bug tracker

dapper lotus
#

githubs issue tracker sucks ass

hexed flower
#

That's not even any better

bronze linden
#

Jira CatScrem

empty glacier
#

You would think they would want an 8 year old friendly version with the amount of people who play to weed out the "I bought the new Star Wars pack and Yoda is missing"

dapper lotus
#

it's better than nothing but their issue tracker is missing much stuff

#

The issue is that nobody has a good bug tracking system "designed for the masses"

earnest birch
#

Jira is the industry leader.

hexed flower
#

Because the masses usually don't have a high enough IQ to file a proper report

empty glacier
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For internal use yes it's amazing

dapper lotus
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most companies which do basically have a support team whom fill issues from the forums, and then there is 0 tracking for individual users bar hoping that one of the mods will go look at the filed issue and provide an update from the info there

hexed flower
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I wonder how a mix of the two systems would work. A forum where users can report issues, and an issue tracker that only trusted users from said forum can open bugs on.

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On the behalf of end users

empty glacier
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and can people please get over the "it's off by one pixel" thing. Jesus who cares lmao

dapper lotus
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It doesn't, basically

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Go see the bug section on the forums of any large software vender, pretty much

hexed flower
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They're usually a gigantic disaster

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What I mean is that what if there was a team that opened issues when the support post actually uncovers a bug, instead of misconfiguration or user stupidity

dapper lotus
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Like, whenever I hit an issue with vivaldi I often go see their help/support area and basically you'll often see some post from some time ago where it's like, "I've created a ticket and this is tracked with XXYYZZZ tracker number", theres 0 ways to subscribe to the issue, 0 ways to see where the issue even is in the scope of things, etc, etc

empty glacier
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In this day and age trackers should be able to say "I see you've submitted blah blah, please see the following tickets to see if your issue fits any currently open tickets" based on key words

hexed flower
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Like autonomously?

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It's definitely doable, but probably not cost effective for anyone who can't afford to run something like GPT-J locally

empty glacier
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I can't defend costs for anything being too extravagant when Moneysoft is involved lol

hexed flower
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That's true

dapper lotus
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not every company wants to create their own issue tracker from scratch

hexed flower
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That too

empty glacier
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Best selling game of all time, still selling. You had a single person doing most of the massive terrain recoding

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Why lol

dapper lotus
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some ticket systems attempt to link you towards existing stuff but it's generally useless when most tickets are filed by end users

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because as your team size goes up, so does the overheads of managing said team

unique nymph
empty glacier
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That says more about the manager than anything lol

unique nymph
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Managers think a baby can be delivered in one month if you assign nine women to the job.

dapper lotus
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Issue is more particular to code development than mangement in general

empty glacier
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Lol. I would say most managers, MOST, from most companies are hard working and pretty good. It's the leadership outside of operations who are detached from reality

dapper lotus
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you can't really have two people working on the exact same code efficently in a manner which isn't them just sitting at the same desk

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Like, unless you wanna be consistently doing git merge every few hours, etc

empty glacier
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I'm sure tho there are many minor things they could take off the main persons shoulders. Like "I'm moving on, these peaks generate too high and flat, play around with the numbers until it looks right" lol

unique nymph
dapper lotus
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Well, yea, but nobody else can touch those json files while you're toying with them

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You easily end up in a case with coding in proxity around systems that you end up introducing so much headaches just tryna tag team the system together that it's easier to just say, sod it, you do your stuff, I'll go work on something else or twiddle thumbs unless you want me to come over there and peek

empty glacier
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Yeah but it's doable with proper management. I doubt GTA has one coder at a time lol

unique nymph
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I look at credits for games, and I'm amazed at the number of people working on them.
I worked for a big company, and we never had more than 10 software engineers on one project.

dapper lotus
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I mean, it boils down to how you split up the work

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Like, you'll often have a team dedicated towards working on the actual game engine, and then you'll have another team working on the games wider scope of stuff itself, and then you'll have teams working on one aspect, another on another, etc

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It all boils down to how much the code is seperated out and limiting the work you do

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if you submit a 20k line diff, you'll probs be told to fuck off unless it's something which was massively co-ordinated beforehand

empty glacier
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yeah lol

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Grand Theft Auto V was developed by more than 1,000 people across multiple Rockstar Games studios, Rockstar North president Leslie Benzies told Develop in a new interview.Oct 7, 2013

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Wow lmao

earnest birch
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1k loc diff is a fuck of reason.

empty glacier
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I doubt that is all programmers but phew

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Minecraft be like nope I can't use it my "GOTO LINE 6789364797" will break

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lmao

unique nymph
empty glacier
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Yeah there are bad ones no doubt. But I've worked for more good ones than bad myself

unique nymph
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Then there was the manager who lied most of the time. But you knew he was lying and he treated us well, so it was all ok.

empty glacier
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Some things they are told to lie about from the next level up tbh

unique nymph
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Then there was the manager who became VP who would make sexist/degrading comments about women, but called several people into his office to complain about email messages they were sending to each other (lewd jokes).

vague falcon
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what in the world did i come in to

unique nymph
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That VP retired years ago, but he's been charged with 6 felony counts for fraud in Florida.

empty glacier
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lmao damn

unique nymph
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He was actually a pretty good boss.

empty glacier
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lol

unique nymph
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He was very accessible, and if you had a problem, he'd get it solved.

vapid prawn
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Unless you were a woman

empty glacier
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F lol

vague falcon
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fun

#

leadership being shit seems far too common ...

unique nymph
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There was a rat in one of the Navy labs we were working at, so he stomped on it (the rat) with his shoe.

dapper lotus
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I mean, it's part of why HOAs are a good idea at first

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The sad truth is is that most people who want to get into places of leadership are generally narcisistic fuckheads

empty glacier
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Like I said earlier, the worst part of it starts at the level of leadership directly detached from direct operations of whatever field it is. VP, director, etc

unique nymph
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With HOAs, some of them take the job just to get their pet projects done.

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The guy I worked for who was charged with 6 felonies - It was for forging ballots for his condominium association election!

native hornet
vapid prawn
# empty glacier Like I said earlier, the worst part of it starts at the level of leadership dire...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

Peter principle

The Peter principle is a concept in management developed by Laurence J. Peter, which observes that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to "a level of respective incompetence": employees are promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily trans...

empty glacier
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The company I work for (cable provider) has a call center in South Africa. They were in civil unrest and closed the center, and an upper leadership called my VP and told him to call them and "get that fucking call center open"

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Ok I'll stop hijacking the channel now lol

autumn comet
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Keep this channel on topic to 1.18, move off topic stuff to #general

timber ridge
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Has anyone done any back of a napkin benchmarks on chunk generation performance vs 1.17?

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My gut just says "it's slower" but I'm curious how much slower.

vapid prawn
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It's about 40% the 1.17 rate

gleaming quartz
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I saw "20%"said here earlier, but obviously needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt.

vapid prawn
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Leaf's quick testing showed 90 cps vs 230 cps on 1.17

gleaming quartz
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Welp, I'd more trust what Amaranth said.

vapid prawn
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When he first looked at it he got 30 cps and it tanked the main thread so... at least it's not that bad 😄

outer pewter
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Is this the newest jar?

gleaming quartz
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Yes.

gleaming quartz
vapid prawn
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iirc Paper is already 3x faster than Fabric

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Not that "Fabric" means anything, really

gleaming quartz
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Comparing 1.17 Fabric to 1.18 Fabric should get rough idea of 1.17 Paper to 1.18 Paper.

empty glacier
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Well I think anyone who doesn't expect a massive performance drop on any platform needs to wake up lol

west bone
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I hope paper has a stable version soon :D

empty glacier
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They are doing awesome

west bone
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they are'

#

nice that spigot released quickly

empty glacier
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I will def be up and running on my survival server far sooner than I thought. Even if I don't know exactly when yet lol

#

Any areas they are concerned with that play testing could help?

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just navigating the world last night for 30 mins, it was running great. Chunks were doing quite well (with just me)

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Altho I got shorted some coal 😉

timber ridge
hoary blaze
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so uh we arent getting paper 1.18 until like next week or?

half walrusBOT
#
__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
hoary blaze
#

oh

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ok

craggy leaf
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is the early versions of paper 1.18 for the snapshots or the full 1.18

dapper lotus
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Please actually read the posts in the channel

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hint: The fill version is literally not released yet.

eager snow
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It's only half full at the moment

plain solstice
dapper lotus
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I'm like, half dead

polar quarry
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arent we all

arctic rover
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ive been running 1.18 on my raspberry pi (before you say anything it’s the 8gb one and 1.17 runs flawlessly) there’s still some obvious performance issues but there hasn’t been anything that’s caught my eye, i’m gonna do some testing later

timber ridge
arctic rover
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yeah ik

terse summit
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ranned rc 3 on arm with 8gb ram, ran fine for a small player server

arctic rover
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but it’s still pretty good tbh

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yeah it’s a small player server

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i did some optimizations to the spigot.yml and such so that saw some improvements

peak oracle
gusty trench
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Schrodinger's cat

acoustic burrow
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Missing worldedit and worldguard so much on 1.18 paper

zealous idol
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whistles

wise vine
zealous idol
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i mean, that one doesn't build lmao

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blame paper :P

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need to build a local devbundle

wise vine
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5984 built and is working in fabric at least

zealous idol
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1.18 paper
fabric
🤦‍♂️

wise vine
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yea yea, but they use one jar

zealous idol
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no they don't

wise vine
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jesus i;m blind

zealous idol
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and even if they did the fact that the fabric part of the jar runs on 1.18 doesn't mean the hypothetical paper part would

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(in fact, fabric and forge are bundled in the -mod jar, so those builds actually work on both fabric 1.18 and forge 1.17)

acoustic burrow
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I’m confused

wise vine
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doesnt mean it doesnt either unless someone tested it and it said no, but people in this channel are likely good enough to expec thtings to maybe work and want to dive in early

zealous idol
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bruh

dapper lotus
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mfw

acoustic burrow
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Very confused rn

zealous idol
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kyad, please read the last commit on the site you just linked

wise vine
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yup, got it

acoustic burrow
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Oh, so works if one can build a dev locally

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I guess I just gotta wait then lol

wise vine
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understood wiz, my bad, i'm tired

dapper lotus
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WhatIfWeStolePaperweightsObfuscationAttribute___haha_jk___unless.kt

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lol

zealous idol
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mhm

acoustic burrow
#

Wait, why would an offline build work but not an online build

wise vine
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it wont, i didnt read enough, sorryfor getting your hopes up

acoustic burrow
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Need a sad paper chan emote

zealous idol
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cuz paper's published devbundle is broken

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so you need to build the devbundle manually/locally

dapper lotus
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I did push a new bundle a few hours ago

zealous idol
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o rly

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time to see if our teamcity caches or not

acoustic burrow
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That just gives me more questions

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Is the published dev bundle different from a local one?

dapper lotus
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I literally updated the published dev bundle earlier

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So the issues should no longer be there

zealous idol
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what the shit is io.papermc.paper:paper-api:task '.

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there's a space in ur artifactname!!!!!

dapper lotus
#

wat

acoustic burrow
timber ridge
zealous idol
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not sure why you think that's a class?

acoustic burrow
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So is there only 1 small error with the dev bundle? And everything else should be okay

zealous idol
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

timber ridge
timber ridge
acoustic burrow
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paperOhhh okay thx

dark wigeon
shadow parcel
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kudos to the team and contributors for your hard work recently luv dont forget to take some time for yourselves too. take care :D

timber ridge
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Except for Kenny.

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Kenny must work himself to the bone and never sleep.

acoustic burrow
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lord Kenny

topaz nymph
midnight crypt
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I've noticed in the RC3 server jar my TPS plugin doesnt work, anyone lese have this issue?

feral spire
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ensure your plugin is updated (very likely not coz 1.18 is literally not release yet)

dapper lotus
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make sure that you're using the correct jar

midnight crypt
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I just clicked the link for the download

dapper lotus
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spigot also dropped some method names, so, plugins using internals will break

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there was 2 jars

midnight crypt
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I used paperclip

dapper lotus
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yes

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of which there was 2 jars...

midnight crypt
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oh...

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the one where I did not want a mojang mapped server

dapper lotus
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make sure you got the one that was named reobf

midnight crypt
#

do you think it would be better to just run the mojang server jar until paper and all other plugins are updated?

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and I can just add them slowly?

feral spire
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its better to not run anything until paper is stable (coz even mojang jar can still have bugs)

hoary blaze
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can you use plugins with the mojang jar? no right

feral spire
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nope.