❗-1-18-experimental

[topaz nymph]

this is the line separating reality from reality not

[stark pagoda]

first

hey

[grave charm]

lol, who tf is deleting messages?

[drifting musk]

rip chat

[latent parrot]

[dark wigeon]

Do not use 1.18, ever

[safe peak]

[hallow oracle]

[feral spire]

MM I honestly didnt know that was not intended. (no mob)Maybe the build can includes stuff that ask people to test certain areas. @grave charm

[terse hamlet]

pokimane fan chat

[drifting musk]

[topaz nymph]

This chat has been repurposed. Thank you 😀

[grave charm]

I mean... if we knew what was broken, it probably wouldnt be broken

[drifting musk]

ur broken

❤️ you MM

[still sparrow]

first

[topaz nymph]

Let’s please be nice in 1-18 experimental chat.

[drifting musk]

wait, that's not how..

[feral spire]

kashike processd to delete all message above him

[topaz nymph]

This is supposed to be a nice place!

[peak pulsar]

im getting hostile mob spawns in experimental paper too

[hallow oracle]

Yk, i tried to find an "old" emote, but i don't have one 😔

[topaz nymph]

I too, experiment 1-18 daily.

[peak pulsar]

after toggling peaceful and back to hard

[drifting musk]

[peak pulsar]

but this isn't new world

[hallow oracle]

oh right, there's a default one 🤡

[feral spire]

let me try

[dark wigeon]

Yeah it can't check the version if you remove the version checker mob

Duh

[feral spire]

I jsut nuke my world again lets see

[peak pulsar]

second

[hallow oracle]

oh hi emily.

[drifting musk]

that's not how any of this works!

[peak pulsar]

btw is starlight in latest experimental?

[still sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/my-house-my-decision-i-decide-i-make-the-rules-the-boss-gif-16544910

[drifting musk]

House Targaryen approves

[peak pulsar]

new world, still getting hostile mob spawns

on paper experimental

[grave charm]

is the intellij debugging thing not gonna work now? it doesnt seem to be as simple as it used to be. creating a jar application for the server and hitting debug

[grave charm]

wat

I'm stil getting only passives

[feral spire]

yeah new world, difficulty hard, no mobs,

[peak pulsar]

let me delete everything, not just world folder

[drifting musk]

we don't need mobs where we're going

[dapper lotus]

check level.dat

[grave charm]

for what?

[dapper lotus]

Like, some people where saying it was fine, others where saying it weren't; and, most complaints I see are from new worlds

[warm ravine]

My world's level.dat has a difficulty of 3 and it's not spawning anything

[dapper lotus]

So, just wondering if something in there is being set wrong

[grave charm]

yeah, ive got diff of 1 and nada

[warm ravine]

I've got a hunch that the server is picking the server.properties difficulty over the level.dat's

since my server.properties is peaceful

[grave charm]

is it peaceful by default?

[warm ravine]

Yeah

[grave charm]

no, mine is easy

[feral spire]

yes new world is peaceful by default and MM passive isnt spawning either

the one I got was from world generation and after I kill them they dont come back.

I change my animal tick to 1

[grave charm]

oh, then im prob only seeing the passives from world gen too

[warm ravine]

yeah I set mine to hard and still nada

[feral spire]

let me get my old world to test now.

[warm ravine]

Actually yeah my passives are only spawning from world gen too

[strange compass]

I test the 1.18 version on my testing server and I always got this error, should I ignore this? BlockEntity threw exception at world:-137,68,-351

[long edge]

enable debug logging in server.properties

it'll give more info there

[peak pulsar]

nvm, after deleting every server file and remaking world, no more hostiles

[grave charm]

well its interesting that you were getting them at one point

[long edge]

or actually no, not there it won't @strange compass which version are you on exactly? Give the output of /version

[strange compass]

This server is running Paper version git-Paper-"4def84f" (MC: 1.18 Release Candidate 3) (Implementing API version 1.18-rc3-R0.1-SNAPSHOT) (Git: 4def84f on dev/1.18)
Error obtaining version information
Previous version: git-Paper-388 (MC: 1.17.1)

[long edge]

ah re-download, it's been updated to fix what I assume you're talking about

[hybrid pivot]

Mine was all good

[grave charm]

ok, so there's an issue with the chunk map and players, it doesnt think any players are near enough for mobs to spawn

[solid goblet]

hello kings

[grave charm]

finally got my debugger to work, and thats what failing

[warm ravine]

odd that it worked for v at one point

[feral spire]

No entity (mobs, passive or not) spawns at all and no matter if world is new or not.

I made a new world in 1.16 > upgrade it > kill all existing mobs > then nothing spawns after

[peak pulsar]

it seems like if I only delete the world folder, nothing else, I still get hostile mob spawns

I tried again and same results

did both /kill @e and toggled to peaceful to make sure all the hostiles were dead

[void elm]

hey guys. I'm planning on starting a server when 1.18 releases, and I'm not sure if I should be using paper or fabric with lithium for optimization. it's a pretty small server, thoughts?

[stable violet]

Why?

[grave charm]

#paper-help

[peak pulsar]

but with latest spigot rc3, i get hostile mobs even with completely remaking all server files

[warm ravine]

Yeah latest spigot rc3 works for me too

Let me check the earlier build I had of it

[peak pulsar]

also, chunky seems to break with latest paper but not latest spigot

chunk genning tasks complete instantly, but this might be something chunky needs to fix not paper

[Chunky] Task finished for world. Processed: 6255001 chunks (100.00%), Total time: 0:00:00

ah

[dapper lotus]

use the latest dev build of chunky

[peak pulsar]

oops, didn't notice the note chunky had

[devout quail]

(that jar for chunky comes from here https://ci.codemc.io/view/Author/job/pop4959/job/Chunky/)

[peak pulsar]

^^ already grabbed it from their codemc repo

[grave charm]

k, I think I fixed the hostile mobs issue

[warm ravine]

woot!

[grave charm]

but unsure why spigot isnt affect, cause I think it should be

[feral spire]

what was it MM lol

[grave charm]

the return value of this was switched by mojang, and spigot didnt realize

simply removing the underlined ! fixes the issue

[warm ravine]

[feral spire]

epic

[fossil path]

[grave charm]

but I want to know why it doesnt happen on spigot

[feral spire]

maybe spigot stealth fix it?

[grave charm]

nah, its still there https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/spigot/browse/CraftBukkit-Patches/0009-Fix-Mob-Spawning-Relative-to-View-Distance.patch

[feral spire]

[grave charm]

in the future dont distribute jars. provide a link so people can download it by themselves

@peak pulsar

[warm ravine]

yeah it's odd that it's not broken in spigot, unless they introduced a different bug in the function that inverts it again

[coarse saffron]

Only staff should be distributing jar download links anyway

[grave charm]

it was for Chunky but yeah

[vernal glen]

Does the 1.18 paper api just require java 17 now as well? cant remember if the same was for 1.17 and java 16

[rocky nest]

Yeah mojang bumped java to 17

[red tree]

1.18 is on 17

[vague falcon]

I'm not sure what the 1.18 api compiles against but no reason to not just use java 17

[grave charm]

um, did the obsidian pillars in the end always extend well through the main island?

[warm ravine]

They extended decently

like 10-15 blocks iirc

[rocky nest]

Don't they go all the way down to like y0 or smth?

[grave charm]

oh yeah, that looks like it

[fervent lynx]

yeah they do, sometimes quite far

[warm ravine]

yeah they go to y 0

The bottom of all pillars are at Y level 0, which means that pillars are generated through the island. according to the wiki

[feral spire]

can tell we dont play MC much

[warm ravine]

I've beaten the dragon like 1 time

[grave charm]

so, am on spigot, shouldn't a platform way out in the end in the middle of nowhere be swarming with enderman?

[peak pulsar]

yes

[warm ravine]

yeah

[feral spire]

you are close enough?

MM pushing new builds later ? (one fixes mob spawning)

[grave charm]

I had to get over 100 blocks away from that platform before any spawned

so I think, on spigot while it might look like mobs spawn, its because they spawn when you're far away and then you fly closer

[vague falcon]

Depends on if any were loaded in spawn chunks I guess?

[feral spire]

if you look at the report some say the rate is bad and that's probably why.

[warm ravine]

that does explain when I was killing all the things it was only like 10-20 entities

yeah nothing in the immediate vicinity on spigot spawns

[peak pulsar]

will the paper/tuinity implementation of no tick view dist be added to paper 1.18?

[warm ravine]

Okay yeah spawning is def broken on Spigot, the end has waaay less enderman than it should

[grave charm]

mobs are suppose to spawn between 24 and 32 blocks away from a player right? (defaults)

[warm ravine]

Yeah

[feral spire]

no less than 24

as far as whatever mob-spawn-range is set to

[warm ravine]

The eeriest of sights lmfao

they'll spawn sometimes as I circle around the portal but if I don't move they 100% don't spawn

[next owl]

ok ima try it on my backup server

[thin jetty]

You beat the dragon?

wheew

I’ve only done that on creative 😩

[peak oracle]

what's the difference between createBundlerJar and shadowJar I haven't been keeping up with the update and I'm a little hazy on what it means

[crude delta]

See #❗-1-18 message

MC now uses a bundler system for libraries and the bundler jar handles that

[peak oracle]

ah ok that's what it meant

thanks!

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @next owl: https://paste.gg/92522c59e1bd4df1a310a3f797ea5abc

[next owl]

most plugis broke

i can send copy of server

[white robin]

those plugins are incompatible with 1.18 changes, they have to update

[next owl]

oh

ok

[next owl]

and tps dropped to 13

only i was on

[mortal token]

K

[stoic depot]

Some performance issues are to be excpected given the ”experimental” in the title

[mortal token]

Broke is broke

Wait

[next owl]

still

i allocated 7g

[mortal token]

Bug report on issue tracker

Do

[dapper lotus]

don't create an issue on the tracker, we don't care for that one

You have so many exceptions in that log file anything would be inconclusive

[next owl]

ok

i will wait till like dec 20

then update all plugins

but i have a doubt

can i keep ps data

protection stones

[livid vigil]

We may continuously give updated 1.18 experimental jars with updates & fixes to test on, if you’re willing to try them. Once the proper release rolls around, it’s time to update your plugins and check whether they work like usual.

Protection Stones may or may not work, test it. Once they fully support 1.18, it will most likely not need to remove any data.

Also, please don’t ping people whose names say no pinging…

[pine moth]

When official release comes out, how long is our expected time before we get a official 1.18 paper release?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[digital slate]

Good job on working on 1.18 before the official release, however, just tested EssentialsX does not work with the 1.18 jar. All server owners must wait for Essentials I guess, so you've got time 😛

[white robin]

they have 1.18 dev builds

[digital slate]

The latest dev build here: https://essentialsx.net/downloads.html, does not fire up as well.

[icy crown]

There is a 1.18 branch of EssentialsX that is not currently published, but you can grab builds off GitHub or build it yourself

[empty glacier]

But the faster paper is done the faster plugins will get updated. So it's really good timing so far

[peak pulsar]

does new paper build fix mob spawning so that it's same as spigot's behavior? or does it fully fix it

[inner crypt]

Wdym

[peak pulsar]

mob spawn range seems to be scuffed on spigot, havent reproduced myself

[white robin]

Spigot's mob spawning is literally broken right now

[peak pulsar]

They still seem to spawn, just with a messed up range, while the previous paper experimental build had 0 hostile mobs altogether. I'm wondering if the new paper build reverts to spigot behavior, or does it completely fix it?

[stoic depot]

From what I understood from the commit message it fixes things that Spigot broke

[open olive]

Spigot's valve broke that what I am hearing basically.

[modern lintel]

Hows the experimental build so far everyone?

[icy crown]

It exists

[next owl]

is there a world guard

test build

[hasty grail]

It was ever not broken then?

[covert jolt]

killian 🥺

[hasty grail]

Hi

[next owl]

e

[icy crown]

E

[hasty grail]

https://c.tenor.com/XHXt5e0kguQAAAAM/markiplier-e-meme.gif

[unique basin]

getting errors on paperweight-userdev for 1.18? worked fine on 1.17 so i'm probably doing something dumb here

build.gradle.kts

plugins {
    id("io.papermc.paperweight.userdev") version "1.3.0-SNAPSHOT"
}

group = "com.willfp"
version = rootProject.version

dependencies {
    paperDevBundle("1.18-rc3-R0.1-SNAPSHOT")
    compileOnly("net.kyori:adventure-api:4.9.1")
    compileOnly("net.kyori:adventure-text-serializer-gson:4.8.1")
}

tasks {
    build {
        dependsOn(reobfJar)
    }
}

and getting this error: Cannot set the value of property 'downloadService' of type io.papermc.paperweight.DownloadService using a provider of type io.papermc.paperweight.DownloadService.

which seems weight that I can't set the value of a property using the provider of the right type

but who knows

https://paste.willfp.com/iwigovoyat.sql
full stacktrace in case it's useful

ok, so i think i've isolated where that error comes from and it's not good

i have a bunch of modules in my project, but the ones i care about here are the nms modules

i have a module for 1_16_R3, 1_17_R1, and 1_18_R1

problem is, because userdev 1.3.0-SNAPSHOT only supports 1.18 and not 1.17, i have to specify a different version for each module

which seems to not play well for some reason, looks like gradle is trying to import from the wrong userdev jar

[earnest birch]

I dropped multiversion support in favour of paperweight.userdev

[unique basin]

i'm using paperweight userdev

i need to make sure that my project supports 1.16.5-1.18 and i use nms a decent amount

i can get it to sync on 1.18 only but about 75% of my users use 1.17

also even when it does sync on 1.18, it completely fails to patch the jar

[earnest birch]

So you added the userdev plugin only to the submodules?

Is your project open source?

[unique basin]

sure is

https://github.com/Auxilor/eco/tree/develop

https://github.com/Auxilor/eco/tree/develop/eco-core/core-nms

relevant things in there

[autumn comet]

You can add --full-stacktrace to your github action to get some more insight why the patches fail

[unique basin]

sure

assuming like that?

[autumn comet]

ye

[unique basin]

https://github.com/Auxilor/eco/actions/runs/1512551651 will be this one

[autumn comet]

Tho the outcome seems to be a different issue

[unique basin]

same one

[autumn comet]

I meant the patches one

[unique basin]

yeah that's a whole other issue

but that one sounds like it's on paper's end, nothing i can do about that

this one on the other hand means i straight up can't add 1.18 at all because the 1.18 and 1.17 modules use different paperweight versions that seem to conflict

and that's a much more pressing problem

[covert jolt]

iiirc worldedit is having the same issue

[autumn comet]

I had the same one when applying paperweight earlier the day

[unique basin]

should I open a github issue?

[autumn comet]

Otherwise it likely get lost in here

[white robin]

There already is one

[unique basin]

link? i'll add to it

https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight/issues/116 unless its this one

[white robin]

it's that one

[autumn comet]

What does that have to do with applying 1.18 paperweight issues?

[white robin]

I smell pebcak, probably multi module related with the above

[unique basin]

that one's unrelated

the patches are a separate bug

i'm hoping its a pebcak because otherwise i'm completely fucked

[autumn comet]

See https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight/issues/117#issuecomment-980805537 someone already reported it, tho the location may be a bit unfitting

[unique basin]

hopefully this can help

[autumn comet]

I doubt that is the proper location still

[unique basin]

it's a paperweight issue, could be easily solved by adding support for v3 mappings with 1.17

[autumn comet]

If not pebkac, that would be a different issue

[unique basin]

the only way to get it past the bug i mentioned in the issue is to set the 1.17 module to use paperweight-userdev 1.3.0-SNAPSHOT but then that gives this error

The paperweight development bundle you are attempting to use is of data version '2', but the currently running version of paperweight only supports data version '3'.

so the only solution seems to be to update the 1.17 dev bundle to data version 3

or to keep backwards compatibility in userdev 1.3.0

[earnest birch]

The question here is. Can we just upgrade the paper 1.17.1 project to use paperweight.core 1.3.0 and generate a new dev bundle?
Let's try it.

[unique basin]

that's up to the paperweight team

[next owl]

hey does world guard work for anyone

if yes

what ver.

[dense river]

there is no worldedit or worldguard for 1.18

[unique basin]

from what i heard worldguard/worldedit is having the same problem as me

[next owl]

but engine hub

mods said

it should work

[unique basin]

go ask them then?

[next owl]

i did

[unique basin]

then why are you here

[next owl]

it no work

that why im here

[white robin]

This isn't WorldGuard support

they don't have 1.18 builds, that's it

[next owl]

oh ok

[unique basin]

also @white robin not pebkac, at least not on my end

[next owl]

only auth me discord srv core protect easy set spawn and rtp works for me

[autumn comet]

Whether or not pebkac, we'll see that later

If so, I'm a victim of pebkac as well

[next owl]

essentials , inventory roll back and tablist

broke

[strange umbra]

Auth me

[dense river]

yes, they don't have 1.18 versions yet

[next owl]

it works

auth me works but it cant send chat msgs

i can register and log in

but it doest give me instructions

[dense river]

Ask AuthMe then

[pallid moon]

Authme 🤡

[unique basin]

cracked servers 🤡

https://offlinemo.de

[dense river]

1.18 isn't even released yet, and we just uploaded the API yesterday, almost no plugin is updated yet

[next owl]

why u bulli me lol

[terse summit]

why bother buying minecraft and worry that your account gets breached when you get the same features on cracked

😳

[rustic bear]

is paper 1.18 already being worked on?

[dense river]

#❗-1-18

[rustic bear]

so yes?

[covert jolt]

there are literally jars available

that's why this channel exists

[icy crown]

reading is hard

[dense river]

Please don't discuss offline mode or piracy

[peak pulsar]

no

Just buy it

[languid lodge]

just no

[dense river]

!warn @peak pulsar Please don't discuss offline mode or piracy

[wheat heart]

:raised_hands: Warned NightMite#2111 (Please don't discuss offline mode or piracy) [1 total infraction] -- aurora#4484.

[earnest birch]

Please disscuss 1.18 rc3 and sponsoring Paper.

[regal timber]

has anyone made built in anti-xray work on the published experimental jars?

[white robin]

Not implemented yet

[regal timber]

thanks

[next owl]

i have real mc but my server members dont thats why

[inner crypt]

There is a ton of work towards anti xray already

[unique basin]

who's the main guy in charge of paperweight userdev

[inner crypt]

Jmp

But generally it's between jmp, DenWav and me I guess to work on paperweight

Paperweight has a bus factor of 3

[earnest birch]

There are 2+ things I know that need love.

• userdev: multiversion support
• patcher: fork generate bundle

[inner crypt]

PRs Open

We have that it works at all

Somebody will look at that eventually

[unique basin]

userdev: multiversion support
1.18: patches dont work

https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight/issues/116

this specific error makes it impossible to support 1.17.1 and 1.18 together

[inner crypt]

Not true

You can make multiple modules

[unique basin]

i mean with multiple modules

check my reply

[inner crypt]

That issue needs a ton of thought to pull off

[unique basin]

the different paperweight versions between the modules conflict with each other and dont work correctly

[inner crypt]

If you got a good idea how to tackle that, add it to the issue

[unique basin]

multiple modules just doesn't work because of the different versions

[inner crypt]

Just Gradle things

[unique basin]

yep

[inner crypt]

Why would that not be isolated

[earnest birch]

I see that a big brain moment is needed there. Due the switch to bundler it's a lot more difficult.

[unique basin]

no idea why it wouldn't be isolated

[covert jolt]

[unique basin]

but because it doesn't get isolated the whole system breaks

[inner crypt]

Guess you can make seperated projects instead and publish them to maven local, lol

Intellij will still allow you to have that in one window and link stuff together

[sick hearth]

@covert jolt

[unique basin]

the workaround of needing separated projects looks like i'll have to do that temporarily

but it's stupid that i'd even have to do that to start with

[odd stirrup]

auxilor loving the bold

[unique basin]

emphasis

it's also infuriating

[inner crypt]

Oh yeah it's stupid and ideally paperweight can help you

But we just not there yet

[unique basin]

paperweight is causing more problems than it solves right now

[odd stirrup]

you’ll have to paperwait

get it

i’m funny

[unique basin]

yeah that's fine

i'm fine with it happening later, as long as it does happen

because i dont want to have to split one specific module out into its own project and then depend back into it

it's slow and painful, especially when it comes to developing a library

[sick hearth]

I have a Stockholm syndrome with Gradle

[inner crypt]

Wait, supporting legacy versions is painful? That's news to me 😂

[thin harbor]

https://i.imgur.com/0THNwjS.png

[unique basin]

1.17 is still the current version lmao and when it's 75% of my userbase i absolutely won't be dropping it

[inner crypt]

Yeah am memeing don't worry

[thin harbor]

There is still some problem with updatingChunkMap. We have tested around a bit. Left: Save disabled with /save-off. Right: heap directly after /save-all

[thin harbor]

I think it maybe not directly related to /save-off. We did not disable it at the beginning. We only disabled the world auto save.

[distant crypt]

Yes, just need a few final touch-ups. https://imgur.com/a/ty3VZeU

Nothing is released yet tho.

[thin harbor]

https://i.imgur.com/Aw0gK1Z.png

[unique nymph]

Thanks for fixing the mob spawning problem.

Now I see mobs and our gold farm works again.

[thin harbor]

https://i.imgur.com/AUm2hCi.png

https://i.imgur.com/5yzUJ0V.png

java stack of Server thread
    at net.minecraft.server.level.PlayerChunkMap.processTrackQueue() (line: 2067)
    at net.minecraft.server.level.PlayerChunkMap.i() (line: 2088)
    at net.minecraft.server.level.ChunkProviderServer.q() (line: 1053)
    at net.minecraft.server.level.ChunkProviderServer.a(java.util.function.BooleanSupplier) (line: 910)
    at net.minecraft.server.level.WorldServer.a(java.util.function.BooleanSupplier) (line: 622)
    at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.b(java.util.function.BooleanSupplier) (line: 1605)
    at net.minecraft.server.dedicated.DedicatedServer.b(java.util.function.BooleanSupplier) (line: 480)
    at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.a(java.util.function.BooleanSupplier) (line: 1469)
    at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.w() (line: 1263)
    at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.lambda$spin$0(java.util.concurrent.atomic.AtomicReference) (line: 316)
    at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer$$Lambda$3959+0x000000080142e460.run()
    at java.lang.Thread.run() (line: 833)

[spare vale]

is this 1.18 test builds' issues discussion channel?

[icy crown]

No, this is Patrick

[onyx fox]

not sure how i dont notice this.. i mean in spigot i see the mobs spawn and kill me xd

[unique nymph]

I don't see the mobs spawning in Spigot 1.18-rc3

[peak pulsar]

Spigot didn't notice mojang switched the return type

[peak pulsar]

^

[onyx fox]

i still see... but not close to player...

[onyx fox]

yeah i read the JIRA with the paper commit attach >.<

[unique nymph]

I had to point them in the right direction.
But I don't understand why they couldn't reproduce the problem, even with two JIRA bug reports.

They closed the earlier report from pre5.

[onyx fox]

in my case i build a spigot and run a fresh map and see hostile mobs the first report was "no hostile mobs"

[unique nymph]

My report said "Few or no". There certainly weren't the normal amount.

Anyway, thanks for fixing it. Makes me feel better about upgrading to 1.18 when it comes out.

[onyx fox]

yeah i cant check if in vanilla was more of spigot..

[unique nymph]

Vanilla rc3 worked fine with what looked to be a normal amount of spawns at night.

[onyx fox]

the mobcap command can be a great help.. but.. xd

[unique nymph]

With Spigot rc3 and last night's Paper build, my gold farm was broken. Now it works.

[sick hearth]

My beloved anti-xray patch 🤔

[wet night]

Hey, I have a question,
is it a bug that the spawn-protection isn't there or am I just too stupid to config my server?

[hasty grail]

spawn-protection is in your server.properties and isnt a paper thing

[wet night]

yeah i know and i set it to 25 but there is no spawn-protection
it disappeared after downloading the experimental version from "https://kennytv.eu/Paperclip-1.18-rc3-R0.1-EXPERIMENTAL-reobf-2.jar"

[dense river]

I just tested it and I can't get the spawn protection working in 1.17 either, so probably I'm doing something wrong or it hasn't worked for a while

[peak pulsar]

Are you opped?

[hasty grail]

i used spawn protection for something yesterday actually and it was working on paper-1.17.1-353

the one time i used spawn protection 😅

[distant crypt]

iirc there must be at least one op.

[dense river]

ah

good to know

okay, seems to work

[dense river]

Works fine for me now

[vague falcon]

Yep, spawn protection only works if someone is opped 😄

[hollow wind]

sorry for the stupid question but, why spigot 1.18-rc3 is 65mb and paper is 33mb?

[long edge]

because paper downloads the vanilla jar and patches it, what you are downloading is a patcher utility

hence why you can download a paper jar officially while you can't for a spigot one

[hollow wind]

got it, thank you

[vague falcon]

oh that's cool, small jar time

[wet night]

Thyy it works now ^^

[devout fox]

aye thanks for working so hard on the 1.18 update!

[gilded ice]

my timings
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=e1349f478c9b49f4bf37fad426e30cf6

[sick hearth]

piglin go brrr

[covert jolt]

you have horrible hardware

16GB allocated but only 1 CPU thread

[feral spire]

whoever you are paying for, you should stop. That CPU isnt going to fair well at all lol

[rough drift]

I'm curious where in the timings report you can see it only has 1 cpu thread

[gilded ice]

where can I see the CPU threads?

[peak pulsar]

system configuration

[covert jolt]

system configuration

[hasty grail]

0 plugins? 16GB Allocated? 🤨

[gilded ice]

how do I change it?

[sick hearth]

You buy more cpu or ask whoever you're hosting server on

[unique nymph]

He's only using 1 msec per tick.

[covert jolt]

do you manage your own pterodactyl instance

[dense river]

ah yes, let me quickly buy more cpu

[gilded ice]

Right now, 1.18 plugins still in development

[gilded ice]

yes

[covert jolt]

is the cpu limit for that server set to 0?

i think that's broken right now, seen someone else with the same issue

[hasty grail]

16GB is probably excessive, even with all your plugins and players loaded.

unless you have a very specific use case

[sick hearth]

Unless your plugins have a "memory leak"

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/fixed-gif-14953349

[feral spire]

set the CPU limit to 100%xCPU core count so if you have 16 set it to 1600%

[covert jolt]

do what eternity said ^

[feral spire]

instead of 0 (which is supposed to be unlimted we know)

[covert jolt]

seems like unlimited cpu detection is a bit broken in java 17

[hasty grail]

https://sirkillian.gg/i/1u6krkwu5jh629ey.png

[gilded ice]

It's an i5-10600KF, 2x16 DDR4 vengance pro rgb, just for minecraft

[covert jolt]

yeah but it seems like that's broken

[feral spire]

also by core I mean threads so if you have 2 per core times 2 again.

[hasty grail]

wait nvm

[covert jolt]

set the CPU limit to 100%xCPU core count so if you have 16 set it to 1600%

do that

[hasty grail]

the box under

[gilded ice]

ok

I'll try

[feral spire]

will that be a container bug or JAVA not being able to detect??

@ michael

[covert jolt]

probably java not seeing the container limit

[sick hearth]

🤔

[long edge]

what image are you using?

[unique nymph]

i5-10600KF has 12 threads.

[long edge]

or, rather, egg?

[gilded ice]

btw I use an 970 evo pulus with btrfs with fedora 35 server

[covert jolt]

yeah we don't care about that part

[dark wigeon]

btw i use arch

[gilded ice]

I want to know if i'm doing something wrong.

[covert jolt]

you haven't

we've described what you should be doing to fix it for now

[gilded ice]

me too for daily driver

[peak pulsar]

please delete all of your social media and dont interact with society at all

[snow merlin]

ok i dont wanna read the entire conversation, so hows 1.18 paper going for you? did you encounter many bugs? (as for me it is good only mobs are a bit laggy)

[feral spire]

if mobs are laggy for you, its probably your PC

[dense river]

the only thing that worries me right now is that we didn't receive more than like 3 bug reports

[feral spire]

chunk loading is slow but that's expected coz leaf is still busy

[dark wigeon]

I bet he's harvesting the cpu for his own chunks

[hasty grail]

build me a jar and ill break it for you

[gilded ice]

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=a6eb97eee98845b599d2542d083dd947
set to 400%

[peak pulsar]

#❗-1-18

[covert jolt]

yeah that's better

[dense river]

who needs to mine bitcoin when you can just generate minecraft chunks

[covert jolt]

now you've got 4 threads

[hasty grail]

i didnt know there was jars here lol

[sick hearth]

looks like ptero bug, since not specifying cpu limit on docker directly doesn't fuck it up

[dark wigeon]

Soon pre-generated chunks will be a currency

[sick hearth]

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=1956ef5effaa40ceb2cb2efcb4638a08

[gilded ice]

how do I make hard tests to the server to see if any bug?

[feral spire]

wow UnifiedMetrics already works for 1.18?? the dev is sure fast!

[covert jolt]

if it was that easy we would've done it already

[dense river]

do whatever you do normally

[hasty grail]

spawn bees. guarantee to go wrong

[dense river]

[sick hearth]

It has always worked except for fabric version

[gilded ice]

why mine doesn't look like that

[sick hearth]

???

[dense river]

because you have no player online

[feral spire]

timing graph? it goes batshit if its either too short or too long

[sick hearth]

speaking of which

is my performance good 🤔

[hasty grail]

make a spark

[sick hearth]

ah shit i dont have debug symbols on my container image

[gilded ice]

ok

[sick hearth]

https://spark.lucko.me/s5mtDmi9bW im just running around

[feral spire]

to me it runs well server side (aside from chunk loading) and I NEED MY FABIRC CLIENT MOD OMG its so bad vanilla wise.

[hasty grail]

uh, looks a bit odd to me https://sirkillian.gg/i/2g4sgwgzh1cdp2kp.png

the server is fine tho

[peak pulsar]

why is that odd?

[hasty grail]

doesnt that usually show sleepForTick

[sick hearth]

I think it's the same method just with different mappings?

anyhow it looks healthy to me

[hasty grail]

4% server is uh

really good lol

[peak pulsar]

waitUntilNextTick is mojmapped

[hasty grail]

ah ok, that makes sense

[rigid loom]

That makes sense - understandable names are never mapped by md5

[gilded ice]

I did with egg and seems ok

[hasty grail]

spawn 1000

it will be fine i promise

or axolotls, both work really

or moving water

[west bone]

Found a bug in paper

[covert jolt]

you don't have any plugins right

provide logs aswell

[west bone]

Tab works with literally every other command

[covert jolt]

do you have any plugins yes or no

[west bone]

yes

[covert jolt]

remove them, reproduce again

[livid vigil]

Provide logs also, please. Not much we can do without them either way..

[vivid iron]

message.txt by @west bone: https://paste.gg/712c5106859d4c4594fca3e7c9822a64

[covert jolt]

essentials is causing your issue

not paper

[feral spire]

Mari wanna write up an example bug report for this channel? so people can follow

[covert jolt]

essentials doesn't work on 1.18 yet (you'd need to use the 1.18 dev branch for essentials)

[west bone]

well oh

lol

I didnt think essentials messed with gamemode commands

[livid vigil]

https://github.com/EssentialsX/Essentials/tree/mc/1.18 You'll need builds from this branch. GitHub Actions produces them and saves them.

[limpid orbit]

it adds game mode commands…

[vivid iron]

Commands - EssentialsX Info

https://essinfo.xeya.me/commands.html

Set the random teleport location and parameters. /<command> [center|minrange|maxrange] [value]. Essentials, help, ehelp, Views a list of available ...

Requested by chad. - About 37,000 results (0.30 seconds)

[west bone]

Oh thank you

[warm ravine]

Thinking that they'll follow that

[gilded ice]

thats better https://timings.aikar.co/?id=15afeb7141614d67baddebdffd7d4503

[feral spire]

at least this way we can yell at them

instead of " XX doesnt work " or " YY broke "

[half plume]

hmmm

[gilded ice]

edited, sorry

[valid turret]

At the moment there is no version of worldedit wich would work with the experimental version, right?

[ember berry]

right

[valid turret]

okey, thanks 🙂

[zealous idol]

i mean, wrong but ok

[dense river]

does the snapshot-testing version compile now? 😮

[zealous idol]

i mean, it always has. just requires a dev bundle that isn't broken. not sure if the published one will work but a locally built one certainly does.

[dense river]

dev bundle as in paperweight? or do you mean something else

[zealous idol]

i mean, technically paper but sure paperweight plugin produces it

[valid turret]

yeah i dont need it anyway now.

[unique nymph]

We can download compiled jars for EssentialsX mc/1.8 branch? From where? I don't see them.

[abstract walrus]

They are not available yet, or I have not found it yet. I am going to try and compile it

[feral spire]

You have to build it

[unique nymph]

Yeah, I compiled them myself. But Mariell's message implied that jars were already available.

[frigid willow]

Does paperweight have a 1.18 dev bundle yet?

[odd stirrup]

yes

[solid goblet]

it does, the jar is attached to the github action run

https://github.com/EssentialsX/Essentials/actions/runs/1510274114

[covert jolt]

zzzzzzzzz shit UI zzzzzzzzzzz

[solid goblet]

very easy to use

[vernal summit]

mic "i can't write yml files" hael

[covert jolt]

WTF worst kezz

[warm ravine]

just write a yml file

[feral spire]

I am epic coder I write code onto yml file

[vernal summit]

@covert jolt im sorry i take it back that was mean u are epic

[icy crown]

michale is the best yaml coder

[peak pulsar]

Is there also an 1.18 waterfall ?

[long edge]

https://papermc.io/downloads

the one here supports rc-3 ^

[peak pulsar]

thanks

[sick hearth]

velocity

[unique nymph]

Ah, thank you!

[dreamy wasp]

anyone that knows when worldedit will work on 1.18rc3?

[unique nymph]

Maybe sk89q knows, maybe not.

[sick hearth]

maybe if you build with local dev bundle

[dry iron]

sk89q? What year is it?

[warm ravine]

2010

[sick hearth]

I hope my 1.18-rc3 pregenerated world can be used in 1.18, otherwise I have to regenerate

[fossil path]

I mean, the release candidate is pretty much the same thing as official release

So probably

[sick hearth]

unless there's a world gen bug

[warped viper]

i hope this real

[zealous idol]

better buy bitcoin then

[warm ravine]

I bought dogecoin too

[unique nymph]

That's what they said two release candidates ago.

[zealous idol]

and it's still true?

there will prob be more bugfixes in 1.18.1 than there were in rc2/3

[unique nymph]

"We're now releasing the first (and hopefully only) release candidate..."

[long edge]

they (at least recently) haven't changed anything but the version for actual release

from the most recent rc

[unique nymph]

"If there are no major issues following this release [RC1], no further changes will be done before the full release."

[zealous idol]

correct

[long edge]

we are saying different things

[zealous idol]

there were major issues

so they were fixed in the following rcs

[polar quarry]

i have a feeling that this is going to be the buggiest update

[zealous idol]

cant be that bad if it doesnt have 10 patch releases

1.7.banana

[sick hearth]

So far I've discovered 1 issue with the paper rc (which is now fixed)

the main issue would be the worldgen speed

[long edge]

surprised we didn't get any issues for no mobs spawning at all for a full day

[unique nymph]

1.8 had more security holes than you could shake a stick at.

[unique nymph]

That was reported to Spigot twice, but they didn't fix it.

[warm ravine]

As long as you had players moving around they spawned eventually

[long edge]

and now that there is a paper commit linked on the issue it will get touched... never

[unique nymph]

I dunno. It's 7:16 AM in Sydney.

[long edge]

or at least he wan't copy the same fix

[sick hearth]

wait what was the mob spawning issue

[grave charm]

there were none, or very few

[long edge]

he'll just switch the return of that method back or something

[warm ravine]

imagine implementing a fix that was already done for you

couldn't be me

[sick hearth]

there are still quite a few patches left to implement right

[unique nymph]

NIH

[rich widget]

So when will it come out(guessed)?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[onyx fox]

For the CLA?

[dapper lotus]

We're not gonna provide an ETA

ever

[static coyote]

I predict its 1 week after 1.18 Release

[mental ember]

Anyone using the experimental release atm? How is it?

I’ll probably try it out

After backing up my world off

Ofc

[static coyote]

Its fast

[topaz nymph]

You are in the experiemental 1.18 channel.

[hybrid pivot]

Lol

[dry iron]

I miss having the free time I did in like 2012 when I'd reply to every single person asking in #bukkit for an ETA with a unique answer. 😦

[topaz nymph]

eta: when you stop asking

[dry iron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/buschbeer-beer-d1E1msx7Yw5Ne1Fe

[static coyote]

Is there a planned ETA for the upcoming 1.19?

[peak pulsar]

3

[covert jolt]

4

[topaz nymph]

I'm feeling 7

[dry iron]

Really though, let's not spam the channel with useless ETA speculation 🙂

[static coyote]

Yes lets talk about how nice the experimental is

[bronze linden]

Still testing it out but so far seems like we've been catching the problem children

Always appreciate the work and all the bug hunters, we got a dope community here

[coarse saffron]

Don't let your memes be dreams

[final mango]

denwav check my issue on github

[cobalt peak]

my paper server just crashes every 5 mins

is this supposed to happen?

[dapper lotus]

I mean

[bold tree]

yes, paper is designed to crash

:troll:

[peak pulsar]

logs?

[cobalt peak]

nothing in logs

it just crashes

[dapper lotus]

if it crashes, there is always info

be that in the log file, a crash report for, or a hs_err file

otherwise, generally means that it was killed by something else

[bold tree]

What are your launch parameters?

Gonna take a stab in the dark and say that it was killed by the OS because you have Xms/Xmx wrong

[cobalt peak]

thats possible

im using my 1.17 launch paramaters

[bold tree]

... and they are?

[cobalt peak]

@echo off
java -Xms2G -Xmx2G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=50 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=80 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=35 -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -Dusing.aikars.flags=mcflags.emc.gs -jar paper.jar nogui

[dapper lotus]

if using linux, check dmesg

[cobalt peak]

on windows 10

are there reccomended windows 10 launc hsettings?

[bold tree]

and you are absolutely sure that there is nothing in logs/latest.log

[cobalt peak]

yes

[warm ravine]

put a PAUSE at the bottom of your .bat file and run it again

[dry iron]

Maybe add a pau...darnit mja00 😄

[warm ravine]

[vapid prawn]

If you have to ask when it'll be ready/stable/etc wait for 1.18.1 before you even look at it

[heady grail]

I am betting 1.18 will be fully ready around mid december

[hasty grail]

https://sirkillian.gg/i/4j324albit3s4n8u.png what does this mean

[dapper lotus]

those features are not valid features

[hasty grail]

and what does that mean 😅

[vapid prawn]

Are you upgrading from the datapack for 1.17 that added the new height and such?

The one they said was experimental and you probably wouldn't be able to upgrade from?

[dapper lotus]

you have feature seeds in your paper.yml

[hasty grail]

no datapacks enabled, this was a fresh world

[dapper lotus]

for things which are no longer features

[vapid prawn]

That's a very scary message for something so trivial

[dapper lotus]

Yeaa, issue is that there isn't a "less scary" way to say "hey, your config is screwed"

Think it was done because there was some copy-paste guide out there giving wrong values for a few dozen things which was causing headaches because "but I changed it!"

[heady grail]

Just add something saying it's a config issue or something

[long edge]

yeah it's super not clear there that it's coming from your config

would make me thing "something is wrong with my world" rather than "something is wrong with my config"

[dapper lotus]

yea, need to pass in the key or something towards the section that's being read

only reason i could tell what it was is cos I looked at the code :L

at first i thought that was vanilla bitching

[vapid prawn]

Yeah I thought that was DFU or something

[heady grail]

I would just have something like

"This is caused by an error in your config file, to fix this remove:
CONFIG ERROR HERE"

Could get a little spammy, but it makes it clear as to the issue

[hasty grail]

can i just remove all the feature seeds and restart?

[vapid prawn]

That would require a much better YAML parser than I think anyone has ever made

[vapid prawn]

Well, some of them you have might still be valid and still be used so if you remove them you'll be changing your seeds

I think, not sure if those get saved in to the level.dat or anything

[hasty grail]

wont it regen in the paper.yml?

[vapid prawn]

I didn't think the config came with any of those seeds by default

People just started looking at the code to generate lists of valid keys for that section

[hasty grail]

it wasnt a new config

i just deleted the world folder, not the paper.yml

[vapid prawn]

Sure but I don't think it's going to fill back in with all the still valid seeds that you can then go fix up to use the old values you had

[dapper lotus]

changing seeds for valid things will potentially upset stuff

[vapid prawn]

Oh, right, new worlds

[dapper lotus]

Ideally we'd run that shit through DFU in some form or manner

[vapid prawn]

If you're okay deleting those worlds again then sure, wipe that section too I guess

[feral spire]

time to bug kneny to make a migration and transfer them gracefully

[vapid prawn]

#BlameKneny

[feral spire]

he was gonna add structure seed but spigot already have it there in spigot.yml (not randomed)

[hasty grail]

so are these random seed because of the diamond exploit stuff or?

[feral spire]

yes it will breaks the diamond method

[hasty grail]

figured

[feral spire]

trust me it works coz my players compains

[hasty grail]

but, wouldnt that be patched in vanilla 1.18 anyways? xd

[heady grail]

Diamond exploit?

[feral spire]

that you can dig down from a swamp biome with a certain partten and you will 100% find dimond

[hasty grail]

i tried both clay and lapis tricks in vanilla 1.18 and no longer worked

[feral spire]

or find lapis and diamond will always be near by in the same chunk

yeah they changed it but as long as you have that seed option enabled, even if there are new one found in the future, it will not affect you @hasty grail

[hasty grail]

yeah tru

ima keep it for sure, was just curious

[raw glen]

Just did a test and it run surprisingly really well for the new generation! Props to the Paper team for all their hard work!

[hasty grail]

does no-tick render work on rc3?

[peak pulsar]

I dont think there is no tick view dist in rc3 paper config

there is native simulated view dist though

[hasty grail]

the native shit sucks

and thats only single player?

Single player 16 chunk render: https://sirkillian.gg/i/x49nk672izl7bp4t.png
Paper rc-3 4 chunk view distance, 16 no tick render distance: https://sirkillian.gg/i/oe3c5m5vvzu20ezj.png

clearly the server is only showing 4

[dapper lotus]

as has been said 20 times, no-tick is not in 1.18

[hasty grail]

and its not coming back?

[peak pulsar]

simulated shouldn't be single player only

[hasty grail]

it is

[peak pulsar]

there is config for it in server.props

[dapper lotus]

we don't know, as has also been said 20 times

[hasty grail]

https://sirkillian.gg/i/yoom63bj559w1990.png

[dapper lotus]

This is still early days, much stuff needs looking into

[peak pulsar]

did you change server.props sim/view distance?

does vanilla sim/view distance respect client view distance?

eg if client view distance < server view distance, don't send chunks

[hasty grail]

your client settings will not work on the server

[hasty grail]

with these settings i still get https://sirkillian.gg/i/tk9m1uxsb2dzrlus.png

so yeah, hopefully paper team adds this back

because this is rough

[feral spire]

Experimental test builds

[hasty grail]

im testing sooo

was just wondering

i figured i better ask than not ask incase it was a bug

[long edge]

you can set simulation distance in server.properties

although, if that will apply on paper or not I haven't looked

[vague falcon]

is simulation distance like our no-tick view distance?

[warm ravine]

Yeah

[hasty grail]

lets find out xd

that uh, doenst work 🙃 its set to 10 by default and surely the screenshot above is not 10

[long edge]

sort of

same concept

ah ok, must have been removed

[hasty grail]

ok so, turns out the simulation-distance= has to be lower or equal to the view distance.
simulated =ticked, normal view distance is not ticket

that's a bit confusing good job mojang

[warm ravine]

Ah so set sim to like 4 and view to 16

[gilded ice]

who has tried chuncky?

[sudden nebula]

Simulation-distance -> render/view distance in 1.17.1 and older

View-distance -> no-tick-distance

it's messy, yes

[warm ravine]

jeez

[vague falcon]

awesome

[warm ravine]

They should've kept view distance doing the same but I guess when people change view distance in their server now it won't mess with any performance unless they also up simulation distance

[open crane]

what does mojang-mapped mean?

[long edge]

it's a different way of naming the internals of the server

if you don't know what it means, you likely don't want it pretty much

[vapid prawn]

Mojang's names make more sense

View distance is literally the distance you can view

The fact that it was also the distance that got ticked before 1.18 doesn't change that

Paper was the weird one 😛

[hasty grail]

in my mind it went "simulation so its not real"

[dapper lotus]

"simutation distance"

i.e. the range in which simuation occurs

"no-tick" was basically a "we suck at naming shit and view distance is already taken"

[feral spire]

I vote to change paper's no-tick view distance to view distance but no fucking entity tanking your performance then we will be really clear on what we mean 😉

[long edge]

sounds like "simulation" as in "fake", rather than the actual ticking distance

[warm ravine]

Yea now that I think about it, it makes sense

[long edge]

although I guess that's just because of how paper named it

[dapper lotus]

this is a simuation game...

Like

[warm ravine]

Swapping what the setting means after all this time hurt my brain

[dapper lotus]

it 100% makes sense

[long edge]

yeah I know it makes sense, that's just what comes to mind

[dapper lotus]

Bro

I think ur leaking brain matter

[vapid prawn]

Leaf should plug his system in to the vanilla settings, if he does update that patch

It'll mean people have to update their config but we'll be consistent with vanilla then

[feral spire]

I am ready to listen to leaf rant as he paw through the patch he needs to do in the coming days

[dapper lotus]

Big thing is all of the per-world shit makes that stuff a headache

[vapid prawn]

Oh right

[warm ravine]

I forgot about that

[hasty grail]

i didnt even think of that

[dapper lotus]

having 4 bloody config files is such a headache

[vapid prawn]

Well, server.properties is the global one, paper.yml can still have per-world but use the vanilla names now

[dapper lotus]

Already planning to yeet all of the .yml ones in the future into a single file

[warm ravine]

chonk.yml

[feral spire]

you know if you do hardfork we dont need that many yml files 😉

😉

[warm ravine]

I vote to put a hard fork into Eternity's eyes

[dapper lotus]

well, that's a post hardfork thing as I wanna change over to configurate

I'd also love to have some way to auto-generate the darned config pages on the docs as I wanna basically just remove all of the options and add them back in sanely

[warm ravine]

I mean that's doable

[feral spire]

paper doenst rally have a documenter correct? Like some big projects have people dedicated to make that part looking nice

[dapper lotus]

correct

[warm ravine]

I'm a weirdo who likes making docs look pretty

[long edge]

I had sorta started working on some of that a couple of months ago but didn't have time

[gentle carbon]

i just use a static docs generator because im lazy

[dapper lotus]

I mean, we don't have too many people who contribute documentation, and, I really wanna move to some form of wiki

[long edge]

as in all of the config is actually documented though

but some of the docs still don't make sense/don't look pretty

[dapper lotus]

Issue is that we'd need to move all the documentation we have into the patches for the server

and then we'd need a tool to convert that back to some form of doc format, and big isue is generally is that most tools for doc'ing actually kinda fricken suck

[feral spire]

it's also a pain to send people to get bukkit.yml and to get spigot.yml docs

[dapper lotus]

part of why I want a wiki

much easier to crowd source contribs vs stuff like RTD + GIT

[warm ravine]

RTD aggravates me to no end tbh

[long edge]

wikis also suck, you'll get lots of spam bots and there aren't any nice ones at least as far as I have seen

at least to me would be easier to just accept docs contribs via discord, at least semi-quality ones

[warm ravine]

eh that's not too hard to prevent

[dapper lotus]

spam bot issue has often been solved time and time again

[long edge]

as in a "write in any format and someone will put it in git" type thing

but that'd also suck

[dapper lotus]

well, yea, that's the issue, it all basically sucks

moving away from git and ideally away from RST is like, the dream

Issue is that other languages also kinda suck ass too

[long edge]

here is paperdocs in markdown + docusaurus https://paper-docusaurus.netlify.app/

[dapper lotus]

hope is in part that at least more people will be familiar with stuff like markdown vs rst

[long edge]

at least of it's state a couple of months ago

[warm ravine]

RST confused me when trying to learn it

[long edge]

but that also isn't great, was just an experiment

[gentle carbon]

docsaurus is nice, it's what i use for my docs aswell

[clear steeple]

mdbook is awesome

[feral spire]

this has darkmode which is already better

[clear steeple]

my beloved.

[feral spire]

[long edge]

but quite a bit nicer than what there is now, at least more people know how to use markdown + you can write plugins to extend it to things rst has

although I guess the same applies to sphinx

[peak pulsar]

i see a new ignore-occluding-blocks option for hoppers, what does that entail

[long edge]

and that is an undocumented option, fantastic

[feral spire]

its the latest paper 1.17.1 build (probably the last of all) but it does what the name says

[long edge]

see here for what that fixes https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/3616

[dapper lotus]

fwiw I do have an issue on the docs repo for discussions, but, general thing I wanna do is make it easier to contribute, which basically kinda means looking towards dropping git, and avoiding esotoric languages, e.g. rst

part of the goal is to try and increase the amount of contributions without further creating another backlog of stuff elsewhere

[clear steeple]

I think it being Git is important to contribution

[feral spire]

that would be nice

[long edge]

yeah moving away from rst sounds great

I'd be really hesitant to move away from git though

as all of the other solutions seem worse

[dapper lotus]

Issue I have with git is that I really want a group of people who can work well on documentation, and, well, most of those people who are good with words are often not those profoundely interested in dealing with git

[hasty grail]

is this something paper could maybe fix? https://sirkillian.gg/i/n9lptt5ivoswz8xs.png

[vapid prawn]

Who is the python fan that picked rst? 😛

[long edge]

probably z

[dapper lotus]

We just adopted that from sponge

[vapid prawn]

You want Paper to fix worldgen to stop making microbiomes?

That's not likely, no

[warm ravine]

The only issue with git imo is people would need to spin up a local instance of the wiki/docs just to see what their changes look like, which stops a lot of people from helping

[hasty grail]

figured 😂

[long edge]

idk I'll try to work on docs more in the rest of this year

have a couple of prs I've pretty much abandoned

and should probably review the current ones anyways

[feral spire]

I can try to help as long as you give me a dedicated grammar teacher

[warm ravine]

I don't mind helping with writing docs either

[dapper lotus]

I mean I want a more open floor for people to be able to contirbute docs which basically isn't just adding onto a queue only cared about by a small # of people

especially given the fact that I basically wanna potentially have a place that replaces the bukkit/spigot wiki

[feral spire]

I will be learning git next month so we should see. Trying to make a repo for my server so the versioning is not too confusing (I still use SFTP to mange files

[vapid prawn]

http://projectmallard.org/

[vague falcon]

I've been usin wiki.js recently, bidirectional git is nice

[gentle carbon]

if only there was something with both docsaurus and wiki.js's features combined

[vague falcon]

yeah, can never be truly perfect it seem

[crude orchid]

u makin me my custom 1.18 paper fork yes

❤️ ty love

[feral spire]

hi Lunar

[crude orchid]

hii

where i donate for colorful name in this disc

[feral spire]

https://opencollective.com/papermc and ask @ aurora

or on GH directly if you want that badge.

[crude orchid]

idc bout badge me just want color name xp

ty

[peak pulsar]

i’m trying to prepare my server for 1.18, and i’ve been struggling with preloading chunks with fabric due to performance issues. i was curious- is it very practical to just compile the 1.18 paper build and pregenerate chunks using that?

starlight would be a godsend, i’m just having a hard time figuring out if this is a bad idea or not

[peak pulsar]

there is starlight for fabric

completely forgot haha thank you

[violet wing]

The paper RC also has starlight

So it's probably about the same at this point

Or paper might be better (depending on what patches have been brought back in yet)

[small kayak]

Java 17 is required to use Paper 1.18, right?

[solid goblet]

Yes

[small kayak]

thanks

[dry iron]

You're welcome! 🙂

[peak pulsar]

would you reckon that there's a significant risk in generating a world using the paper RC?

[rocky nest]

I mean it's an experimental build, it's not intended for prod

[peak pulsar]

ah yeah i see

i tried to poke around the github to see anything about world generation, but ultimately wasn't too sure

[blissful brook]

rc = release candidate?

[topaz nymph]

Ye

[rocky nest]

[peak pulsar]

i'll try my luck with the fabric build, i'm just experimenting anyways

[blissful brook]

Ty

[violet wing]

I mean I wouldn't do it with fabric either if you're worried about it working on the 1.18 release

safer to just do it after 1.18 comes out fully

[cerulean slate]

how is this release of paper

[crude orchid]

guys im holding 80 players on a live 1.18 paper build rn

ama

non production my ass

[pulsar dagger]

[crude orchid]

haha

[kindred basalt]

ok

[violet wing]

how are you on 1.18 paper when it hasn't released yet

[crude orchid]

well because the lovely team at uh paper gave me a uh

BETA COPY

and told me

dont use on production server

i did it anyway

profit

[kindred basalt]

that version hasn't released yet, is the point

[violet wing]

well that isnt 1.18 its a release candidate

so you aren't running 1.18

[crude orchid]

oh sorry

[pulsar dagger]

thanks for being a guinea pig I guess

[violet wing]

😛

[crude orchid]

im only kidding

[dapper lotus]

hey, we don't care if people run it in prod

not our foot in the way of the barrel \o/

[violet wing]

yeah the test build should work perfectly as long as the hundreds of patches were all ported correctly with no mistakes whatsoever

[dapper lotus]

and minidigger worked on some of those

[violet wing]

paper team makes no mistakes

[dapper lotus]

so, 0 faith

[violet wing]

shhh

[dapper lotus]

It's like, a rule that mini makes a bork and a stupid one at that

[feral spire]

There is no mistake. Only happy accident

[empty glacier]

It's a damn feature

It's working as intended that every time you break stone your world is deleted

• Mojang bug tracker staff

[bronze linden]

Ah yes Bob Ross development

[still sparrow]

?

[peak pulsar]

starlight's gradle build is broken anyways so i'll have to wait it out

i probably said that wrong, i'm in over my head

[pale drift]

hey guys im probably like the 50 billionth person to ask this but when will an official stable paper release be out for 1.18?

[half walrus]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[pale drift]

ok

thanks

if I run a 1.17 world in paper 1.18, will the newly generated chunks be in 1.18?

[peak pulsar]

yes

[clear steeple]

Yeah, that's always how upgrading has worked :p

[dense river]

Old chunks get converted as well

[pale drift]

old chunks get converted as well - does that mean things built in those chunks will get messed up by the new chunk generation?

[dense river]

No, it just adds stuff below y0

[pale drift]

ahh got it

[inner crypt]

Hey, my annual bug I sneaked into the patch updating we already fixed, smh

Before users even got access to a build

So if that's not a testament of our amazing QC process I don't know what is!

[gentle carbon]

there could be more bugs, who knows

never leave the possibility out, it could happen

[dense river]

With mini? Definitely

[dapper lotus]

❤️

[inner crypt]

If you code doesn't fail twice before it magically works, are you even a real developer?

[gentle carbon]

your code only fails twice?

[potent quail]

dont forget the part where you stare at the screen for 4 hours wondering why it isnt working

[inner crypt]

That's what I call developing

[peak pulsar]

And then it randomly starts working after a restart

[dapper lotus]

as I quote one of my fave youtubers

Err
and err
and err again
but less
and less
and less.

-Piet Hein

[rich widget]

Thx

[peak pulsar]

Ey, looks like upstream figured it out

[feral spire]

❗

[cursive thistle]

Hi. It's cool that we have already started working with the update from the snapshot.
From what is seen:
1.18 requires Java 17 to run
after starting the server, the user with the rights of the orator is not able to use commands correctly, for example, to change his mode from survival to creative.
Many plugins do not work (but these are questions for plugin developers, I suppose)
there is still a lot to look at and check to be sure that everything is fine, but this is impossible, plugins such as WorldGuard \ WorldEdit and others will not work.

[dark wigeon]

in regards to the command visibility, https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6936

or do you mean something else with the user with the rights of the orator is not able to use commands correctly?

[keen otter]

Check your log for errors

[keen otter]

before that

[dapper lotus]

plugin is disabled

so, work out why it's disabled

probs outdated

[cursive thistle]

thanks, I will look for maybe it was updated for the plugin and check

[sick hearth]

is the antixray patch under review?

[livid vigil]

EssX does not work for 1.18 yet.

[dense river]

yes

There is a 1.18 branch for essX but you have to build it yourself

[dark wigeon]

you can use /minecraft:gamemode to use the vanilla command since the essentials one does not work at the moment

[cursive thistle]

ok thanks

[unique basin]

any updates on multi-module nms support between 1.17.1 and 1.18? splitting out a large project into completely separate gradle projects and then depending on them is really dumb

if 1.17.1 can be updated to use data version 3 the problem goes away

[fierce hemlock]

what does nms stand for?

[feral spire]

Net Minecraft server

Or not much sanity

[native halo]

what time will 1.18 release?

[tranquil sorrel]

Vanilla probably tomorrow?