politics

[faint radish]

It’ll just be another one, in the list of things you can get

[mystic ermine]

I mean, yea, but we're not exactly there yet and we're still at the point where mutations are much more risky to us vs the flu

[faint radish]

And keep in mind, all the future Covid deaths are not “additional” deaths, some, if not a large group, would’ve died from something else

It’s not cumulative like that

[mystic ermine]

a lot of it is optics

There are literally people out there whose reason for wearing a mask is so that they're not mistaken for being a republican

[faint radish]

Yeah, and optics don’t mean shit for my health, or anyone else’s.

[deep ravine]

I feel like this idea is optimistic. Lets say it is mandated that everyone wears masks when indoors (which was, at some point or another, true in many locations). It only takes 1 person to not wear their mask, 1 person to through a party, 1 carrier to take a long plane trip to spread the disease.

While probably true that vaccinated people wearing masks are highly unlikely to spread the virus, the virus is going to (mostly) be spread through either the unvaccinated people without masks.

[mystic ermine]

Yea, but you're acting like politicians give a shit about your health

[deep ravine]

What I am trying to say is that variants are more then likely going to be made either way.

[faint radish]

Well to go back to my thing, only 1/4 of the world is fully vaxxed

If there’s gonna be a mutation, it is highly unlikely to come from where I am where the vast majority of people are vaxxed

And my state can’t force everyone in Brazil, or Pakistan to wear masks

[mystic ermine]

people travel

I mean, that's part of the issues

[faint radish]

Yes exactly, if there is a mutation, it’ll go everywhere

[deep ravine]

^

[faint radish]

So my county attempting to prevent one is laughable

[deep ravine]

I heard the delta variant likely emerged in India

[mystic ermine]

Which is literally the entire point as to why ideally everybody would wear a mask and avoid going outside like the floor is lava

[faint radish]

Remember that meme about the digger trying to get the ship unstuck?

[mystic ermine]

I mean, the suspect is that it may have evolved due to the heavy restrictions at some point

[faint radish]

That’s what mask mandates in the US are like, particularly in highly vaxxed areas

[mystic ermine]

I mean, a lot of this is catch 22

[deep ravine]

What I think we are trying to say is that we understand that masks will help prevent variants, but the variants are more then likely going to come from other locations/people rather then in places with high vaccination rates.

[mystic ermine]

Ideally we'd all agree to stock our freezers for a month and basically agree that nobody leaves the house for that month

But, realistically, that's not gonna happen

Govenrments keep thinking that they're gonna totally squash this and the optics and judgement is basically set so

NYC still has indoor outdoor dining

The thing here is that the numbers are basically all set up to be a game, and many people treat them as such; There are people willing to hand over their lives to the government on the hopes that covid will disappear, there are people who'll scream freedom over a fucking piece of cloth which like, you know, to the degrees that the only way a state would ever get rid of it would be to start banning inter-state travel which, I can't see that happening

idk what the end term is gonna be here, especially as people still seem to think we can beat this

Many people are pissed off at the governments excessive controls over something which likely ain't gonna disappear unless everybody actually all got along, the governments around the world did such a piss poor job of tryna contain this early that we're basically just screwed

[faint radish]

Did I see that Biden admin is extending mask mandates on planes until January 28th?

January, in 5 months

Like seriously? You’re gonna say that yep, we know the situation in 5 months

[mystic ermine]

I'd be interested in seeing the effectiveness of masks when you're stuck in a tin can for hours on end

[deep ravine]

I don't mind masks on planes, but...^

Like, if 1 person is a carrier and you are in a sealed environment for, say, 3 hours, masks probably aren't going to help much

(Especially since that carrier is probably the kind of person to take off their mask, cough without covering their mouth, etc)

[woven reef]

My school district has one

I don’t blame them

It’s been bad here

[icy fiber]

Well, apparently the truck drivers in QLD Australia are going on strike in response to an organization or company or something forcing the truck drivers to be vaccinated. Compulsory vaccinations are stupid like they don't even prevent you from getting, or spreading covid-19, it's like saying "Oh, you have to wear a bicycle helmet wherever you walk now, just in case you trip" xD (well at least afaik anyway)

[restive seal]

I'm still amazed that we've regressed so far as to say vaccine mandates are bad. Should I expect regressives conservatives to start repealing seatbelt laws in 2022?

[deep ravine]

I don't think anybody should be mandated to have a vaccine...

I believe there is an extraordinary danger in allowing mandates like that. Replace covid vaccine with expiremental drugs, for example.

[tough cedar]

kek

remembers the few vaccines he had to have before he could start taking college classes

[foggy fern]

iirc airplanes are surprisingly well ventilated

It was a surprise that SARS seemed to be able to spread so far in a plane, estimates were it'd only be a row or two

[mystic ermine]

Yea, they throw air out the back more or less, guess I more mean closed room type thing

[deep ravine]

Fair, but the vaccines are relatively new. Don't get me wrong, I have the vaccine and I think everybody should have the vaccine, BUT mandations seem wrong to me.

[restive seal]

FDA approval today for one of them. Totally reasonable to mandate now in the US.

[faint radish]

going to college isn't a right. One chooses to do that. thats not the type of mandate CJCrafter is talking about I think

forcing every eligible person get the vaccine is a mandate

[mystic ermine]

pfizer got FDA approval which means it's onto the next stage

[foggy fern]

The size of the trial groups and the infectiousness of the virus is why the trials could be completed so quickly, btw

[restive seal]

Initial message against mandates above was after a company forcing truck drivers to be vaccinated 🤷

[foggy fern]

An HIV vaccine, for example, is going to take years of trials to get enough data to prove efficacy

[faint radish]

courts have long recognized a right to refuse treatment

refusing a vaccine would certainly fall in that category I think

[foggy fern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

[mystic ermine]

private company does as private company does

[deep ravine]

I don’t think private company should be a valid excuse.

[restive seal]

Jacobson also has been a precedent case in justifying government face mask orders and stay-at-home orders throughout the COVID-19 pandemic.
🥳

[faint radish]

ah yes, the court case used to justify sterilization of those with intellectual disabilities

[mystic ermine]

I mean, it's not really an excuse

[faint radish]

Buck v Bell if you were wondering

[mystic ermine]

a company has general rights to fire you for whatever they want so long as it doesn't break any protection clauses, etc

[faint radish]

sterilization of the "unfit" "for the protection and health of the state"

[mystic ermine]

I have doubts that "didn't want to get a vaccine" is a protected status

[faint radish]

also, its not hypocritical to say "my body, my choice", but also be for forcing medical procedures on unwilling participants?

[mystic ermine]

Now, there are some concerns I have there, e.g. before lockdown, my GP closed and I moved, my doctor and I where going over potential diagnosis for an auto-immune disease in which the vaccine is really shaky territory

[faint radish]

there is no way in hell I would trust a government of all organizations with mandating health decisions for everyone. This is the government that said margarine is much better for you than real butter (that turned out to be wildly wrong), and tons of other instances of the government giving out the wrong health advice

[deep ravine]

There are always extremes like that. Of course specific conditions in which a vaccination could cause you harm, mandating in that scenario is criminal.

[icy fiber]

Well I suppose the FDA has approved the first covid vaccine not very long ago x)

[faint radish]

it may have been thought of to be right at the time, but if it was proven wrong later, thats just as meaningful.

[foggy fern]

Skinner v. Oklahoma basically overturned Buck v Bell and the ADA should have completely wiped it out

[faint radish]

Jacobson was used to uphold texas halting abortions during covid

[foggy fern]

Yeah, I can understand how that'd work

[faint radish]

I highly doubt the SCOTUS would re-affirm jacobson now and since that was in 1905, and was only re-affirmed in 1922, I think theres a good chance they'd take it up

but setting aside the legality, isn't it hypocritical to say "my body, my choice" and also be for forcing unwilling participation in medical procedures?

and, that government isn't known to always be the best source of health info, to also have the power to mandate treatments

[foggy fern]

Eh, the easiest way to explain the difference is probably the Non-Aggression Principle from libertarianism

You not getting vaccinated has a detrimental impact on society

[deep ravine]

I assume that is referring to the liberal stance on abortion?

[foggy fern]

We've mostly sidestepped the issue by just making certain vaccinations a requirement for things like schooling or military service

Amusingly I think it's actually only the military where there is a strict ban on mandating non-approved vaccinations, fallout from the Anthrax vaccine

It was thought the vaccine was the cause of Gulf War Syndrome although now it seems the mostly likely cause was bromide tablets and pesticides

[woven reef]

I dont think that the government should force a vaccine upon its people, however i think it's perfectly reasonable for companies to require it for their employees, since if that person doesn't like that job, they dont have to work there. ofc if there is reasonable religous or medical reasons they cannot get the vaccine, they shouldnt be punished for that

[shy gulch]

What do you think about lgbt?

Is lgbt manifestations for lgbt or for money only?

In My opinion this is only for money.

[torn wadi]

Your question is too broad to be properly answered.

[near glen]

Any attention for oppressed minorities is good in a way

It's basically similar to greenwashing

Better then doing nothing, still not enough

[shy gulch]

I feel like People help minorities, but they format about their own culture

[near glen]

They format? What does that mean

[shy gulch]

Lgbt becames fashion. People manifest how they like lgbt. And some of them became lgbt, even when they arent

Gays can take care of children, but its not always good for them

We are loosing our tradition to "modernity"

Sometimes We dont know who We are

[torn wadi]

always good

To be fair, have you seen modern parents, better yet the parents that made Gen Z?

[shy gulch]

Sometimes modern parents are better, but in most of cases children need Mother And father like in nature

We cant cheat nature

[near glen]

Oh god

Humanity is nature, by definition

Traditions are stupid. If the only argument to keep doing something is "we have always been doing it this way", then something is very wrong

[mystic ermine]

I support the LGBT, being s member myself; I think that a lot of stuff is nuanced, however

I'm dead in bed but there are many studies which indicate that families with heterosexual parents generally have better outcomes, but, such may be one-sided literature

Both parents play a pretty critical role in development, and the literature generally seems to suggest that hetero parents generally make one of both sides of the coin, the mother generally helps with development of the emotional and nurturing side, and the father seems to head towards discipline aspects as well as play

[near glen]

https://youtu.be/pd8P12BXebo

[shy gulch]

lmao the trump ad

[plush crypt]

We're now in the last 3 weeks of the Norwegian general election, and polls are showing heavy lean towards the red/green coalition with huge losses in especially Labour, the Centre party, Conservatives, and the straight up racist Capitalist party
It'll be interesting to see which parties form government as half the left side refuse to collaborate with one another

[keen swift]

Almost everything we do is unnatural, being born in a hospital and C section is unnatural. So what if someone had LGBQT Parents, I believe that those parents would be just as dedicated to there children and would so anything to ensure their success in life

[urban vector]

what literature are you talking about here? would be interested in reading them

[foggy fern]

The problem with studies like that is you don't know if two hetero parents do better due some innate benefit, to falling in to traditional gender roles, because the kid doesn't get teased or made to feel weird at school, etc

[urban vector]

yes, which is why i would be interested to look at this to see if they accounted for that or not

[deep ravine]

There were very good reasons why the household used to be housewife and breadwinner. Now, since life is easier today, we have less reasons to organize in such away, but there are still reasons to keep some form of traditional family (though the housewife and breadwinner is an extreme for today).

Today those reasons are mostly financial. For example, single parent homes are much more likely to have financial problems, and their children are more likely to have low paying jobs.

As for lgbt households, I am unsure. I’ve seen a few extremes were the parents had/adopted a child but chose to make them “genderless”, which is obviously going to hurt that child’s mental health. The only problem that I suspect would occur is that the children produced from lgbt homes aren’t taught values from a mother and father.

[near glen]

That's what am saying, you constantly need to reevaluate if your values and traditions still make sense

[urban vector]

"taught values"

[near glen]

And adjust accordingly

[loud flax]

the last bit you said, I can't believe someone other than me would utter that sentiment. I agree with you too. I wonder how many who identify as LGBTQ aren't doing so because of their biology, but for other factors

[shy gulch]

Finally someone who agre with me

[loud flax]

in other words, trauma, for instance, can do absolute horrors to someone

a woman who has dated a number of guys only to be dumped by all of them, might end up dating women because they're so fed up with men, and then identify as lesbian

i'd imagine the number is fairly low though

[restive seal]

Starting with the premise that the claims of benefits from a dual-sides contribution are true: How much of them playing those roles is biological, though? I suspect the answer is none of it. I get the feeling that they only play those roles on average due to societal expectations and it's not at all necessary for it to be from a hetero couple.

[shy gulch]

I'm not lgbt, but I don't hate lgbt. I hate things some members of lgbt community do. Like vandalism for example. Being lgbt not allows you to do theese things.

[loud flax]

vandalism?

[restive seal]

I hate things some members of lgbt community do. Like vandalism for example.

I hate things some people who are not members of the lgbt community do. Like vandalism for example.

[shy gulch]

yes, like on manifestations

[deep ravine]

Take a look at children without a father figure. Children are better socially if they have a father.

[deep ravine]

There are extremes on both sides

[shy gulch]

I have seen a lgbt who painted a truck to demonstrate

It was unacceptable

[deep ravine]

Fine, but why does that represent the entire community?

[shy gulch]

it don't

I didnt said that does

I said some members behave bad

[restive seal]

If we're going to blame lgbt ties on all sorts of random acts, this is going to end really poorly when we have to start blaming cishet identity for all the acts of cishet people...

[deep ravine]

Yes but you are saying that that is because they are lgbt.

[shy gulch]

and they justify they are lgbt

[deep ravine]

There are always extremes. Best to leave those out of rati9nal arguments

[shy gulch]

no

I mean there are some poeple who thing they are lgbt so they can devastate others property

who excuses that they are lgbt

I mean that being lgbt is not excuse

[deep ravine]

What is your argument?

[restive seal]

And some people believe that by being white they are superior and can harm those who are not. Shall we judge all white folks based on their acts too? 🤔

[loud flax]

no but we all have the potential to be hitler

[shy gulch]

The rights of minorities shouldn't be a permission to break law. Some of people excuses being a member of minority to doing disallowed things

[urban vector]

"a permission to break law" are we in the same universe here?

where is it legal to break the law if you're a minority?

[keen swift]

Minorities dont get the ability to evade the law...

[shy gulch]

If white person does something against the law, they should bear responsibily of that. Being white or black or everyone else is not excuse

[urban vector]

sounds dope tho let me come to your country if that is the case

[deep ravine]

A better argument which is similar to this one is where the line is between left and alt-left.

[urban vector]

alt-left

[restive seal]

Great. Glad we agree on this. Why are you so fixated on somebody trying to use lgbt identity for this, though?

[dark crystal]

if anything it's usually black people who get harsher punishments simply for having a different skin color

[shy gulch]

its only an example

[dark crystal]

i don't see how they are privileged in that regard

[keen swift]

Minorities are generally discriminated by the law more often then they are privileged

Ive never heard of someone using minority status as a way to evade the law

[shy gulch]

Nowhere, but someones behave as if it were so

[restive seal]

Why make your initial statement starting this discussion? I don't understand what you're trying to get at, here.

[urban vector]

who are these "someone's"

it really sounds like you're just making up people that don't exist to get mad at

[shy gulch]

they are members of minorities who excuse being member of minority to break the law

[restive seal]

You appear fixated on specifically lgbt people doing so.

[keen swift]

Like who...

[loud flax]

I can only think of examples of BLM supporters and antifa where the police don't step in (portland), but are there examples of LGBTQ activists that aren't handled by the police?

[near glen]

"antifa"

[keen swift]

There are alot of people who use prejudice against minorities too

[restive seal]

they also didn't step in for proud boys, so... 🤷

[loud flax]

oh, well poo

[keen swift]

Whats your point TheRedCat

[restive seal]

those poor discriminated against cishet white men with their fear of people different from themselves 😦

[loud flax]

@near glen lol, digging antifa huh? well I think it's funny, they act like fascists while trying to prevent fascism

[shy gulch]

I wanted to prove that people sometimes allows some members of minorities to excuse them

[near glen]

you talk about antifa like its an organization

which is funny

[shy gulch]

antifa its great example of that

[restive seal]

They used to be! We called them the Allies. 🤣

[keen swift]

Ive never seen someone successfully use their minority status to get around the law, however Ive seen alot of people use the law to attack minorities

[restive seal]

I feel like this discussion is structured around some fox news built strawman.

[shy gulch]

there are people like that

[keen swift]

I watched Fox(Fictional) News once and immediately turned it off

There is always going to be people who try and exploit their situation, but the amount of people who exploit Minority statuses are WAY WAY lower then people discriminated against because of it

[shy gulch]

Probably most of this community are left and I'm right nearly alone

I'm right, its funny

[keen swift]

Im centuralist btw

There have been 10s of millions of people who have attacked because they were a minority, but maybe at most a few thousand who exploit it

[shy gulch]

maybe, but these thousands should bear responsibility of that.

minority is a way to explain yourself not a privilige

sorry typo, express yourself

[foggy fern]

Speaking of Portland, it seems like every week a bunch of white nationalists invade the city from all over the state and country and break shit

Police never seem to do anything about them

[restive seal]

Okay, and those tens of millions should bear responsibility for their actions too. Still not seeing your point here.

[faint radish]

“As science has proven and now the 6th Circuit agrees, enacting a mask mandate in the manner in which MDHHS did so does not violate one’s rights”. How can “science” prove something about individual rights?

This isn’t a comment on what’s right or not, but isn’t it strange to say that science has proved something doesn’t violate ones rights?

That’s a quote from the Michigan AG

[tough cedar]

is that the entire quote?

feels either out of context or it's politicians messing up their words

[faint radish]

https://apnews.com/article/health-religion-coronavirus-pandemic-lansing-567ed0140a1cadf190de474661c80fed

It’s just another example of politicians abusing the word science

“Science” is this holy, infallible thing that is always correct, and every “scientist” is always in agreement on

[restive seal]

I watched some misinfo spreaders doing lots of "trust the science!" BS on mask "dangers" yesterday. It's rough watching concepts get misused like that.

[loud flax]

which science

a flat earther's science, or anti-vaxxer science, mainstream science, oh boy, why are there so many conclusions to the same data, lmao

[dusky raft]

Science itself is never solid, and is flexible. Science assists in explaining the properties of the world. What should happen is that observation for science should be under an impartial lens, This though doesnt happen often anymore. More and more activists have used the word science to often skew their own agenda, and hell, A lot of tyrannical governments have used science as a way to push certain population control policies.

solely basing policy on science isnt good, because it does and will ignore human factors, such as data that has either on accident or on purpose skewed to meet the needs of said policy.

[restive seal]

[tough cedar]

lol i wasn't even sure how to respond to that

[foggy fern]

wat https://twitter.com/GlobalBC/status/1428897932636565508

Global BC (@GlobalBC)

Faced with a shortage of workers, a small army of seniors in Sechelt is volunteering to cover shifts at restaurants and other small businesses, rather than see them close their doors because of a lack of workers. @Aaron_GlobalBC reports.

https://t.co/xnoe97nBpc https://t.co/3WmO3eChHo

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[urban vector]

dystopic

[deep ravine]

My ideas are more often right leaning then left. What you are saying is a non argument. Like, "Violence is bad!". We're responding, "no shit, sherlock". Your argument would be better if you could find specific examples of minorities getting excused from crimes solely based on the fact that they are a minority.

[faint radish]

https://twitter.com/unwatch/status/1430325480754982913?s=21

This can’t happen right? I mean come on. I know that like China and Pakistan are on there, but you can’t put the Taliban on there

UN Watch (@UNWatch)

Taliban seat on UN Commission on the Status of Women is 'likely,' says former U.S. envoy to UN.

As we predicted.

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Oh China and Pakistan are on the “human rights council” not this

But doing this has to be worse than China being on the human rights council right?

[mystic ermine]

wat

[faint radish]

Oh it’s possible cause Afghanistan already had a seat on this commission

And typically a new government inherits their predecessors seats on various councils and commissions

Doesn’t have to be that way, so please UN, don’t meet my expectations by just letting the actual Taliban have an actual seat on this commission

[mystic ermine]

Well, I mean, makes sense but, eerrr

defo doesn't look good if you don't understand/aren't aware of that stuff

[torn wadi]

Just watch the Taliban become progressive.

[near glen]

For that we need to get rid of religion first

[torn wadi]

Maybe with time.

[loud flax]

lol

religion isn't going to go away, sorry to say to anyone that wants it eradicated

if there is no god then at one point there was no religion

but perhaps if everyone was scientifically literate post religion, there might not be a reason for it

but knowing people, i don't think the future would be that linear at all

[shy gulch]

I mean whats my political side

by saig right

not a thruth of your opinions

[daring locust]

Dude, you're arguing on 0 foundation.

get some evidence to back up your claims

[keen swift]

Your just saying x is bad, and were saying yes x is bad, but y is worse and happens more often, your blowing x way out of proportion with no evidence or foundation while y has happened to millions more and is way worse

[plush crypt]

What do you people, especially people in countries/states where it’s legal, think about informed consent in healthcare?

Most of Europe (to my knowledge) does their best to avoid it entirely, and I’m not really convinced it’s a bad thing. It somewhat falls under the same point as the moral decision of choosing abortions to me: no-one should force the words of their holy book on me, but I am very much allowed to choose to think it’s unacceptable myself.
Additionally, I see no reason to directly work against self-medication; if you’re taking your own medicine, you should sure as hell know what you’re doing and should rather be supported in doing it safely

[pure jetty]

"Informed Consent" wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if the "information" being given isn't bias is one way or another and they aren't trying to fear monger the patient. In general tho, it's really a weird thing for abortions because those have a really black and white outcome (the baby will no longer be born period). There is nothing to really inform them on here because the patient already understands the outcome (as there is only one clear one).

[restive seal]

Most of Europe (to my knowledge) does their best to avoid it entirely

European doctors avoid letting their patients know what procedure they're going to do or why they're doing it?

[pure jetty]

For abortions it seems like informed consent is exclusively used to make the patient second guess themselves (by shame or other means) which is generally a bad thing?

As for self-medication, that's illegal (in the states at least). You need a prescription to even get one as they may have weird outcomes that you are unable to think of yourself.

[plush crypt]

As in politicians avoid the topic altogether, and if it should be asked, it’s never supported — even by our most liberal politicians.

[restive seal]

I don't understand. Nobody wants patients to know anything about what's happening from going to the hospital to leaving it?

[plush crypt]

No, the ability to do informed consent (as opposed to requiring maaany extra boxes to be filled) is avoided

I do suppose to some extent we do have informed consent with e.g. birth control, though…

[pure jetty]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informed_consent#Abortion

Some informed consent laws have been criticized for allegedly using "loaded language in an apparently deliberate attempt to 'personify' the fetus," but those critics acknowledge that "most of the information in the [legally mandated] materials about abortion comports with recent scientific findings and the principles of informed consent", although "some content is either misleading or altogether incorrect."

[plush crypt]

Very interesting, thanks

[mystic ermine]

Over in the UK we have informed consent but it's more of a formality than anything else, outside of health orders, your doctor basically has to give you the understanding of what they're gonna do, when I had an infection in my toe my GP explained it to me, when I had an OP to deal with my ingrown toe nails, the process was explained to me, when I was looking at meds for my loose screws, the doctor walked me through it all and such and my views where basically considered, but, I think that aspect varies doc to doc, some will preach their holy book while most doctors I've been with are willing to accept that people google stuff and may have some form of idea of the implications and know their body more than the doctor

That does mean that when it comes to abortions they are gonna explain the procedure to you, they legally have to in order to get your consent, but, they generally go to it from a procedural aspect than anything else, I think anything loaded would basically get the doctor into so much shit

[tough cedar]

https://apnews.com/article/health-texas-coronavirus-pandemic-dcfb47e8eec476fba3d1aa41ea8a9835

lol sigh

still gonna vote for the guy when he's up for re-election unless a democrat has a real shot at beating him (lul)

[woven reef]

i dislike abbott, but he knows how to get votes

the recent string of laws that are set to take effect in september i hate (most of them)

[near glen]

The execute order is binding already, but anti democratic, so he wants to make it a law later, do I understand that correctly?

But man, america, I thought you were the land on the free, why is government placing restrictions on the way I wanna run my store? Smh

[woven reef]

nobody seems to have ideals here

[near glen]

Oh I understood it wrong, he basically forbids local county gov or whatever to require vaccinations

That makes more sense

I can actually follow the argument

[woven reef]

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/08/25/9-new-laws-that-take-effect-sept-1-in-texas/

there's this too

[near glen]

That means I can still only allow vaccinated people into my store

[woven reef]

the "vaccine passport" law forbids stores from checking for vaccination cards

[near glen]

Yeah just read that

Fuck that

That list is such a clusterfuck 😂

Carrying a gun, openly, without a licence

https://c.tenor.com/94GsWHDABYwAAAAM/i-see-no-problem-here-crazy-eyes.gif

[restive seal]

Oh right this one

Additionally, any person in Texas, with the exception of state and local government employees, will be allowed to sue abortion providers or anyone they allege to have assisted a woman in obtaining the procedure. That could include providing transportation to a clinic.

aaaaaaaay a good one though:

Police officers will now be required to keep their body-worn cameras on during investigations.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha what

The government, and any public official, will be prohibited from issuing orders that close a place of worship in Texas, including during a disaster.

[tough cedar]

that's taking power away from abbott

[restive seal]

USA

this new law will require professional sports teams that have contracts with the state to play the anthem prior to the start of every game.

[woven reef]

good in theory, but the files get "corrupted" or "the camera didnt work"

[tough cedar]

while you've seen abbott and how crazy he might be

[restive seal]

Of course.

[tough cedar]

the people in the texas senate are so much worse

lol that's why i'll probably vote for abbott anyways because while he might not be great

[woven reef]

they also set up a hotline to report abortions

[tough cedar]

some of the alternatives are way way worse

[near glen]

Stasi wants to know your location 😂

[tough cedar]

the medical marijuana bill isn't too bad too

[near glen]

I thought Germany taught everyone that citizen snitching on each other turns everything into a giant clusterfuck

[woven reef]

yea

i honestly hope the hotline gets trolled into oblivion

[plush crypt]

Freedom*!

*unless you’re a minority, woman, societal liberal, religious outside christianity, …

[tough cedar]

they made quorum again too, the dems that went to D.C are back so they can vote on that voting restriction bill now

[near glen]

I think I have a right to be protected from a pandemic, that should be more important than the freedom of others not to wear a mask, just saying

[tough cedar]

i don't recall liberty being the first unalienable right 🤔

[woven reef]

lol

[plush crypt]

Liberty and control over one's own body is pretty much an unalienable right in the first world, and I'm not quite sure why you time and time again choose to not join us. Do you really only have 1 unalienable right even now? The rest of us are in the hundreds by now, because we see that a lot of people's rights are 100% necessary and thus effectively unalienable (although yes, not legally) and we wouldn't have nightmares of losing them in any timeline.

The right to vote is one of these for the record -- I don't see how the US can see it's fine to revoke this right from someone for not following the law

[tough cedar]

Well we (everyone?) Has 3, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness in that order, then we have the bill of rights too

Idk how much of these translate to how many are defined in Europe though

[near glen]

These are the first articles of the German constitution

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0019

[plush crypt]

Everyone in Europe yoinked from France, so we have the same as Germany ^ does

In addition to that however, I would definitely deem rights that are basically impossible to remove without a coup happening unalienable as well, which extends it to a lot more than just those 3

[foggy fern]

I knew what I saw on vacation last week had to be a part of a bigger trend

Retirement and tourist hot spots are getting to the point where the workers for shops can't afford to live anywhere close so move to another city entirely so the shops are running on minimal hours or random hours

Some of them there just literally aren't any houses or apartments available for rent, they're all second or third homes or AirBnBs

https://twitter.com/sharerliners/status/1430427477843795968

her sly inner snarl (@sharerliners)

Late stage capitalism, folks! https://t.co/mQGwkldW0V

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This is what was happening with the town in Canada where retirees were volunteering for local businesses that I posted a few days ago too

I thought it was just the shops not willing to pay enough but apparently in some of these tourist towns unless you can afford to buy a house at Bay Area prices you don't get to live there

[near glen]

I meany technically that dude is part of the problem

I'll bet 10 bucks he stayed in an Airbnb ^^

[foggy fern]

They're kind of fucked, if they raise prices enough for their workers to get paid enough to actually live in the town they'll kill the tourism

Probably 😛

[tough cedar]

why would it kill the tourism?

[foggy fern]

If a cup of coffee costs $25 and a meal costs $100 you're going to lose the casual tourists

[torn wadi]

"Tourism" like the normal people tourism, where they try to get the best bang for the buck.

[near glen]

These are situations where I would expect city gov to step in and build affordable housing to solve this problem for the community

[foggy fern]

Yeah, or get more aggressive about taxing investment homes and banning AirBnBs

[near glen]

The city needs to invest, because else tourism will fade away no matter what

[foggy fern]

Yeah, if the shops can't stay open tourism will die out too

[tough cedar]

Oh that tourism

[foggy fern]

We had a kind of meh time on vacation because places were closed or short staffed so things took forever

[near glen]

This is a typical situation where the market failed to regulate itself and gov needs to step in

[foggy fern]

We didn't even go to one of the restaurants we always eat at when on vacation, it was always either closed or packed and had signs up asking for patience for waiters due to staffing shortages

So they couldn't even get 1 whole shift staffed, let alone enough to stay open all day

[near glen]

That's so interesting, I never heard about anything like this around here

[foggy fern]

My right wingers in my family kept blaming it on COVID unemployment checks

Even though those were only $300 extra and our state stopped doing them anyway

[restive seal]

"they're just lazy" is what I hear a lot.

[torn wadi]

The city might be just as lazy/corrupt as ours in that regard. At least we got some new housing build, but they made a bunch of bad decisions that don't make any sense in the long run.
For example, the new houses/blocks use wood/pallet fueled boilers... despite the location having access to hot water, cheap electricity and even a natural gas network. Official reason: "It's better for the environment."

[mystic ermine]

Rossmann was apparently getting a lot of people asking to work for him off the books so that they could keep unemployment or basically they'd just rather stay home and keep getting paid

it is multi-factored as all heck, however

[torn wadi]

We even went as far to fuck over tourism as much as possible. Just to make 100% sure, that no one ever visits.

[restive seal]

One person said [approximately] "they should just suck it up and take the low paying job!" which was... interesting.

[mystic ermine]

Like, the service industry is one of those industries which has been screwed for a long ass time, which, like, eeerrrr...

[foggy fern]

I think COVID just pushed this forward a lot so it happened all at once

[mystic ermine]

low paying jobs make a sense to dive for if there is a promise of actually earning more in the future, but, many of these industries which are suffering this heavily where churn factories anyways

Who gives a shit if you underpay your staff and they quit in 2 months, theres always a line for the jobs

but, covid uno reversed that shit

[foggy fern]

People didn't have work in tourist towns so had to move to find work, investors bought up the houses and such left behind, now there is nowhere for people to live even if they wanted to take those jobs

[restive seal]

Or... the businesses could just offer a living wage to start? 🤔

[tough cedar]

I'd totally work retail for years and years if it paid enough

Do programming on the side and make enough on a low stress retail job? Hell yea

[near glen]

Service is mostly ran by students I think

[mystic ermine]

Well, living wage is complex when rent is inflated to all shit in many of these areas

[near glen]

But since we have a fair minimum wage, plenty of other people.work in service too

[mystic ermine]

Like, living wage 100% makes sense but when you're paying 2.5k a month for rent, holy fuck

[tough cedar]

Where I worked it was yea, college students or older people

[foggy fern]

Affordable housing in tourist towns has always been hard for service industry folks but people were willing to spend a few years cramming into a cheap apartment with too many roommates for a chance to live on the beach or ski slopes or whatever

Now those apartments don't even exist

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-superrich-bought-up-ketchum-idaho-and-now-regular-folks-may-have-to-live-in-tent-housing

[restive seal]

I'm sure the libertarian invisible hand has a solution that... no! Stop it! Bad hand! Stop trying to hire 10 year olds at 2 dollars of company scrip a day!

[foggy fern]

“There’s a joke going around: you either have three houses in Ketchum or three jobs,”

The towns solution is to set up a tent city in a local park

“We are a small town,” Bradshaw said. “We have seen over the last year, an influx of more people moving to our town due to COVID. COVID has taken what was probably going to happen in 15 years and accelerated it into 15 months.”

[near glen]

Oh god

Late stage capitalism, ppl getting forced out of their homes cause some guy in a suit wants to have some nice country side views for two weeks of the year

[foggy fern]

My cousin had a house bought out he was renting, he was working with the landlord on doing renovations to take off some of the rent and saving up to be able to buy the house from the guy

[mystic ermine]

I mean, am not even sure it's purely capitalism, it's often just blatent corruption + moronity

the demand for housing is often too strong so landlords, etc, can get away with stupidly raising rent and often building new houses is a literal nightmare

Like, there is a guy who wanted to turn his laundrette into a block of flats and he literally spent like a million or something just battling their local government and anti, I forgot the word, anti whites moving into my neighbourhood peeps

So, an area which was sufering with high rents due to a local boom in the market due to tech industries being near by, wanted government to force rents down, stop people creating new builds, etc

[mystic ermine]

https://twitter.com/Official_MRLP/status/1430481107741458436

📢 OffiCiaL MoNsTEr RaVIng LooNy PArTy 🎩 (@Official_MRLP)

In these times of National shortage, all future political and electoral leaflets will have to be printed on soft paper so that they may be recycled in the appropriate manner.
#Manicfesto #NationalToiletPaperDay

Twitter · Aug 25, 2021, 10:44 AM

[faint radish]

Looks like a suicide bomber attack outside the airport in Kabul

[foggy fern]

Pentagon hasn't confirmed it but reporting is 4 US Marines killed, Taliban says 13 dead over all

Oh, that 13 is outdated, seeing reports of 40 fatalities now

Or maybe that 13 was just Taliban fighters?

[foggy fern]

https://twitter.com/ChrisCillizza/status/1430637571114217476

Chris Cillizza (@ChrisCillizza)

Is this an MF Doom tire cover? If so, awesome.

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Twitter · Aug 25, 2021, 9:05 PM

[faint radish]

12 us service members, at least 60 afghans killed in the 2 attacks

[foggy fern]

Harsh but true https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/1430920972178178062

Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance)

20 YEARS- FYI there have been terrorist suicide bombers killing civilians nearly DAILY in Afghanistan. This ain’t new. It’s why we are leaving. #DealWithIt

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Twitter · Aug 26, 2021, 3:51 PM

Definitely not the right way to say that though

[faint radish]

well, the civilian deaths aren't going to be the problem for biden admin

that hasn't happened daily

last death was february 2020 iirc

and that was one death, this was 12

[foggy fern]

You mean US troop deaths?

[faint radish]

yeah

[foggy fern]

Well, yeah, we care about that more

Apparently some of the protections against bombings like this have been torn down by the Taliban

Although I think those are for car bombs?

[faint radish]

yeah... that argument isn't going to fly. "The taliban didnt do a good enough job with their checkpoints". And it shouldn't, thats absurd, relying on the taliban to do security?

[foggy fern]

I mean, we negotiated with them last year to take over the country

Then thought the guys we were selling out would protect us on our way out the door

Probably should have made Bagram our evacuation point instead of the Kabul airport though

[faint radish]

yeah, I'm seeing a lot of that going around

[foggy fern]

Would have made it harder to get people to the base though

[faint radish]

well if there was a plan in place, that issue could've been aliviated

biden said they planned for this outcome, yeah right

[foggy fern]

We had an agreement to keep running and securing the airport for a year though so I can see why that would be the place, we were planning to stay for a while

I was surprised to see this post, figured he would be piling on https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/1430663801649700872

Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom)

Biden didn’t lose the war. Biden is finally getting us out of a war that we lost a long, long time ago.

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Twitter · Aug 25, 2021, 10:50 PM

Seems like he has been repeating similar things for a while

[faint radish]

oh I'm glad we are getting out for sure. when this started, I didnt care how, I now very much do care how we leave, and this doesn't look to be going well at all

[foggy fern]

I wonder how many people we'll still get out today

It was over 13,000 yesterday

[faint radish]

Ok, it’s 12 us troops, and 15 us civilians.

Plus the dozens of afghans who died

[foggy fern]

https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/1430603768362676226

Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom)

Since March of this year, the State Department has sent 19 messages to Americans in Afghanistan telling them to leave. Warning them. Offering to pay for them to leave.

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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1430603144497700868

Jake Tapper (@jaketapper)

Blinken now says the number of Americans who want to be evacuated is definitively 500, with 1,000 others they are trying to ascertain their status, though numbers are hard to pin down. https://t.co/PlNyoFD8TH

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Twitter · Aug 25, 2021, 6:49 PM

[faint radish]

I have no idea who the Americans were, the soldiers certainly were ordered to be there, and the civilians might have been helping out, or embassy personnel or who knows what. Really don’t appreciate what he’s trying to suggest. That they didn’t listen, and so they are to blame

[foggy fern]

There were over 10,000 US civilians there a week or two ago

[faint radish]

How many people worked/lived at the embassy? It was massive

Plus their families

[foggy fern]

Looks like the March thing was a mixup with a message in 2020 about covid, the first messages were actually in April

Looks like most of the staff at the embassy were locals, although we'd want to try to get them out too

Trying to find numbers

They were trying to get as many embassy workers as possible to leave in April too

If their work could be done remotely or was no longer needed they were ordered to leave

[faint radish]

the majority of the 80,000 the biden admin said they wanted to get out couldn't just come to the US on their own, they don't have citizenship, so they are relying on the US to get them in.

[foggy fern]

On August 7th the embassy told all Americans to get out of the country, that was a week before Taliban took over

Embassy at that time had 4,000 employees, 1,400 of which were US citizens

[faint radish]

yeah ok, and they should've heeded that first warning. the people who actually could just return to the US with their passport

[foggy fern]

Biden is taking questions, wow

[faint radish]

about time

[foggy fern]

Yikes https://twitter.com/simonp_92/status/1430946561631084544

Dr. Simon Purdue (@simonp_92)

Hey @amazon, maybe don’t allow sellers to tell customers to fly Nazi flags with pride?? Just an idea…

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Twitter · Aug 26, 2021, 5:33 PM

[pure jetty]

man

is there even a review process

did they even report it?

[foggy fern]

There are a lot of black sun things on Amazon, sadly

And after looking that up Amazon is going to start recommending them to me... fuck

https://www.amazon.com/JANLAGERFLAG-Foot-Black-Schwarze-Sonne/dp/B083DKGWF6

[restive seal]

Thankfully they let you delete items off the view history to avoid this

[woven reef]

dang

[faint radish]

Were they about to get ruled against or smth? https://apple.news/AJ1idc-wWQ4uEFh2TRbdYfQ

Who knows, maybe it’ll be for only small devs again, idk

SCOTUS struck down the eviction moratorium thankfully

To clarify, they struck down the CDCs moratorium, if the legislature actually does something, that’ll be fine

[pure jetty]

was a matter of time

Biden admin tried to add some new terms in the new one to get around the ruling from the other one

[faint radish]

This is the crap I hate the media for… “…despite threat posed by surging delta variant”

[restive seal]

Yeah. Headline should be blaming congress for not acting. 😦

[faint radish]

That’s their job! Creating laws, saying what agency can do what.

We live on a country of laws, and they have to be followed, and if they are wrong, changed

Was very disappointed the Biden admin caved and re-upped the moratorium in the first place

[foggy fern]

Congress did pass one before, right? The CDC just unilaterally extended it after that one expired?

[faint radish]

you might be right, idk for sure tho

yeah, I think congress passed on under Trump even

yeah, looks like congress extended their own on Dec 22, 2020

[pure jetty]

yeah the problem was they never gave the cdc the power (or president) to extend it

[shut vine]

Historically things like this from Apple have been tied up with so much red tape that they're just a token gesture to reduce the chances of a successful anti-trust suit.

Well, in my personal assessment of them.

[foggy fern]

https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1429050070243192839

U.S. FDA (@US_FDA)

You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it. https://t.co/TWb75xYEY4

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Twitter · Aug 21, 2021, 11:57 AM

US FDA thinks they're Wendys or something 😛

[near glen]

Interesting, I expected this to happen, but by order, not by a proposed settlement, and especially not for that case, but the epic case (even tho I don't think epic would ever settle)

[pure jetty]

that's probably the only thing that would have even come out of that case

now that they did that on their own i doubt that lawsuit will get anything now

[near glen]

Apple clearly fears they getting ordered to allow sideloading

[pure jetty]

i mean that'd be a pretty bad ruling yeah

[near glen]

When do we expect the ruling?

Google wasn't helpful

Ah wikipedia just says later this year

[pure jetty]

iirc she made a joke saying by Aug 13th

(a year from when they were removed from the store)

[near glen]

Since we on that topic, I just saw this tweet, lol

https://twitter.com/rjonesy/status/1431095409791934467?s=19

Ryan Jones (@rjonesy)

16. Annnnd there it is: The lawyers will get paid OUT OF THE SMALL DEVELOPERS ASSISTANCE FUND.

$30M of $100M of the SMALL DEVELOPERS ASSISTANCE fund goes to the lawyers. 🤣😆😭 I can’t. This is just too good.

Twitter · Aug 27, 2021, 3:25 AM

[foggy fern]

That's standard for a class action kind of thing

[near glen]

That's part of the proposed settlement in the sample dev case

[pure jetty]

and thats just a settlement

[near glen]

I guess they just took the money and are happy?

Cause like, other than that, not much is in that settlement

[faint radish]

A measured response https://twitter.com/nycmayor/status/1431080244497235970?s=21

Mayor Bill de Blasio (@NYCMayor)

A group of right wing extremists just decided to throw families out of their homes during a global pandemic.

This is an attack on working people across our country and city. New York won’t stand for this vile, unjust decision. https://t.co/Tw6Bt97GC9

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Twitter · Aug 27, 2021, 2:24 AM

[foggy fern]

Yeah, saw that, yikes

Also this phrase is confusing to me, isn't a pandemic global by definition?

[faint radish]

Idk, it might be fine with a region attached. Not really the main story there tho 😛

Can’t call everyone right wing extremists because then it doesn’t mean anything.

[mystic ermine]

right wing extremists

I mean, it's shitty as all fuck to throw people out, many are behind rent not of their own accord

But, this is the governments doing by not supporting individuals and just expecting land lords to take the hit

if the government was willing to pay for those behind, sure, go ahead

[foggy fern]

Apparently like 80% of the funding for that hasn't been spent

[mystic ermine]

Or, even, just requiring relief of morgate payments, etc, for those who are landlords

Contrary to popular belief, most people renting out houses are not rich people and often have it as a retirement fund more or less, the houses often barely pay much more than what the mortgage payments are

[foggy fern]

Googling some numbers real quick suggests about half of rental properties in the US are owned by "mom and pop" landlords

[mystic ermine]

Yea, the market splitis generally there as many orgs basically just gobble up houses for large scale renting, I'd imagine the property split is 50:50 but the landlord split is probs more heavily towards most being "mom and pop"

Issue I generally see here is that they've protected tenants but offered basically 0 protection for landlords or even home owners as such

if the bank owns the house, you're still expected and required to be paying the bank, there is no safety there; and that would do a huge thing to help level the playing field imho

[foggy fern]

There was a ban on most foreclosures too, iirc

But I think that might have run out in December?

[mystic ermine]

I think so?

I mean, I kinda remember there being something on foreclosures but it was sorta like, not exactly well stated and no idea if banks respected it all too well

[foggy fern]

https://twitter.com/RyanEGraney/status/1430856835997868032

Ryan Graney👩🏻‍🦰 (@RyanEGraney)

Friends. I have joined ivermectin groups on Facebook. They are literally shitting their pants in grocery stores.

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Twitter · Aug 26, 2021, 11:37 AM

The thread has more stuff from that group

[pure jetty]

lmfaooooooo

[tough cedar]

https://twitter.com/RyanEGraney/status/1430882357104480260

Ryan Graney👩🏻‍🦰 (@RyanEGraney)

It’s #WormingWednesday y’all! Just rub some Ivermectin on your arm, because Russel said so! 😂 https://t.co/lZKNedSvdp

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Twitter · Aug 26, 2021, 1:18 PM

worming wednesday...

hmm there are people in these groups giving it to their kids too

i think that's enough twitter with facebook screenshots for me

[foggy fern]

If you're gonna take shit meant for horses just do ketamine like the rest of us

Good ol' Special-K

[dusky raft]

yes, because horse meds = good, vaccine = bad

[tough cedar]

there isn't enough ivermectin in the world to treat the brain worms

[near glen]

Holy shit people or dum

Does this shit at least make them unable to reproduce or some nice side effects like that?

[foggy fern]

People think the uncontrollable diarrhea is a sign they actually had parasites and not just a side effect that's probably even worse because they overdosed

Same with the dizziness that is a definite sign they overdosed

And then after a few days or weeks their body adjusts to the torture they're putting it through and they keep overdosing daily thinking they must be better now

[foggy fern]

https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/20/californias-gig-worker-prop-22-ruled-unconstitutional-by-superior-court/

[pure jetty]

shame

those seemed like a good compromise for what is obviously an independent contractor

[near glen]

people dont want it to be an independent contractor anymore tho

[pure jetty]

then don't take the job

[near glen]

choice is a luxury

[mystic ermine]

Some do though?

[near glen]

idk

[pure jetty]

you 100% have a choice

[mystic ermine]

Some people want the will to be able to go gig around in bars and shit

[pure jetty]

fucking doordash isn't the only option

[near glen]

stuff works different here, and yes cat, theres a different between the dude that only does it like on friday nights, and the dude that does it ufll time

[pure jetty]

you pick a gig-based job because it doesn't have set hours

[mystic ermine]

The fact that companies need an exception to a regulation often implies that it's a shit regulation

[pure jetty]

giving them employee protections for something that clearly isn't one

[mystic ermine]

theres a different between the dude that only does it like on friday nights, and the dude that does it ufll time

But, the regulation offers 0 ambiguation between that?

Thus, that statement is stupid

[pure jetty]

Prop 22 was set to help the latter

which is not a bad policy imo

but California itself wanted to abolish the independent contractor distinction itself for uber/doordash types

which is really fuckin weird

[mystic ermine]

Their original proposals more focused on independent contracting as a whole

they basically wanted to make it so as an independent contractor, even if you where only there for 5 minutes, you had to be fully covered, etc, etc

[pure jetty]

yeah drawing an imaginary line in the sand banning a type of relationship is so fucking weird

its the backwards way to fix a problem

[mystic ermine]

The whole thing just basically shat on independent contractors in the names of helping them all for the name of fucking over uber/doordash

[pure jetty]

it would likely end up hurting consumers more too

[foggy fern]

Gig workers are closer to employees than independent contractors, I think

Although the local cab company also has their drivers as independent contractors which is even more absurd because they have set hours

The company just calls it the hours they're allowed to rent the car I think but if you don't show up you get "fired"

[pure jetty]

see that is something i would more agree giving them employee status

but gig workers can stop working at any time

they don't have to work for months

[mystic ermine]

The issue was iirc was that the original regs basically impacted people who go to play in pubs on saturday night, etc

[pure jetty]

it's very far from a employee

[mystic ermine]

live bands which roam around from venue to venue, etc

The bill was far too wide on what it considered and basically practically screwed over a lot of non-uber/doordash peeps who where mostly there to have fun and such, rather than wanting to deal with an over-stipulative agreement

[foggy fern]

Every time I've asked a Lyft or Uber driver about it they're driving as a full time job

And usually have three phones so they can do Uber, Lyft, and personal stuff at the same time

[pure jetty]

Then Prop 22 should cover them

fucking means test things

[mystic ermine]

My question is is why should the war against uber affect the kids who play in the pub on the weekend?

[foggy fern]

Because you couldn't do Uber if you did Lyft and vice versa

The law might have been sloppy/broad but it was doing something useful

Prop 22 blocked all of it

Actually it's worse than that, Prop 22 only overruled the law for Uber/Lyft drivers and left the indie band with the rules you're arguing against

But presumably the bar hiring your band could easily argue you aren't an employee since their business is selling alcohol, not performing music

[pure jetty]

it was my understanding prop 22;

• gave a health insurance voucher for those working 15 or more hours/week
• discrimination stuff
• over 100% of minimum wage for hours spent with a passenger

iirc it also had some credit for expenses per mile?

idk if that was in the final version

[foggy fern]

Yeah but you can't be logged in waiting for multiple apps and then just turn down drives from the others if you already got one

So the waiting time is just down time where you don't get anything

[pure jetty]

hmm i don't like banning use of competitors

that gets in the zone of employee land

but still i would make that clear cut

[mystic ermine]

I mean, they're defo a shitty set of companies, but, like, the wide ass strike was just moronic

[foggy fern]

120% minimum wage for each hour they have a passenger or are en route to one, $0.30/mile with passenger or en route, health insurance stipend if you drive more than 15 hours a week, injuries while with a passenger or en route are paid for, and some training and discrimination stuff

[pure jetty]

some law saying independent contractors cannot have non-compete or whatever

[foggy fern]

They don't explicitly ban working with competitors afaik they just ban you or give you less drives if you skip too many offers

So they effectively ban working with competitors

[mystic ermine]

Do you get paid for sitting waiting for the "clock"?

[foggy fern]

No

[pure jetty]

which makes sense

because people could just sit in their car all day

not taking any rides

[foggy fern]

If they got paid for sitting idle they'd definitely be employees

But then they'd also not be allowed to skip offers

[pure jetty]

well not necessarily

[mystic ermine]

Yea, I mean, if they got paid for sitting idle I could see booting them for doing fuck all

otherwise it's very, eer...

[pure jetty]

well yeah if they can't skip that would be different

then its an employee

[foggy fern]

Blocking them from skipping offers and also not paying them for their waiting time puts them in a worst of both worlds situation

[pure jetty]

not allowing them to skip would likely be an employee imo yes

[foggy fern]

I understand why they effectively block skipping though, it makes scheduling and surge pricing and such way simpler to figure out

[pure jetty]

yeah, i mean you don't want your network to say "cars nearby" but the one car there keeps skipping everything

[foggy fern]

But that doesn't change the fact that it makes them exclusive to your company

[mystic ermine]

I mean, the way uber and such operate is pretty fucking shitty and I'd love to see better protections against such companies, I wouldn't want to see them go as they offer a huge safety net for some people, e.g. I know somebody in the states who does one of the apps with everything going on and she likes it fairly well for what it pays, bar shitty customers, but, I dont see why the fight against uber needs to also impact those who go gig

[foggy fern]

Which should make them employees

[mystic ermine]

The fact that so many people supported a bill which override AB5 really just shows how shitty prop22 was

[pure jetty]

ehhh, couldn't you clock out when you take one ride from one app

why keep all apps always on

[foggy fern]

If you get offers from them before you clock out it's the same thing

[mystic ermine]

I do question the numbers of people who supported prop 22, as I recall a lot of musicians and such supporting it

I think it was a level of "this doesn't exactly help us but sets the stepping stones" or something stupid

[pure jetty]

i think there was a lot of marketing by uber and so forth for prop 22

and no counter

[foggy fern]

It got 58% of the vote with basically every group but labor unions supporting it

And something like 10x as much campaign funds

[mystic ermine]

maybe it's a brit thing but I know labour unions in the UK are somewhat dying

Don't think dying all that fast though, but, er...

[foggy fern]

Some of the companies also forced their workers to support and promote the legislation: Uber sent its drivers in-app messages forcing them to click on either "Yes on Prop 22" or "OK", Instacart ordered its workers to place pro-Prop 22 stickers in customers' shopping bags, and DoorDash forced delivery drivers to use bags saying "Yes on 22".

[pure jetty]

lol

[mystic ermine]

oof

[loud flax]

is stupidity genetic? or random? is there a stupid gene? o_O

[near glen]

this kinda of stupidity isn't generic, but you pass it on while raising your kids

[mystic ermine]

Tell me that your education system is failing without telling me that your education system is failing, I'll go first...

[near glen]

I mean, its not that bad

plenty kids getting vaccinated against their parents will

am actually not sure what the age barrier is when they no longer need consent 🤔

[shy gulch]

Pretty sure its 16 here in NL

[weary lake]

Here in biology classes there's quite a bit of emphasis on how the body functions deep down and not just on a general level. RNA (for RNA vaccines) is also taught quite in-depth (how does DNA move through your cells, how does it turn to RNA, what happens to it, etc.), so it's not surprising that younger people are more willing to get vaccinated. From what I heard from my parents, they would stop at "your body has cells" back then, so older people being misinformed about how vaccinations actually function is not unexpected.

(We actually had to know the specific atomic structure of DNA in biology classes - can't say I liked it, though.)

[mystic ermine]

are you in the US?

[weary lake]

No

[near glen]

I didn't take any biology classes in higher grades cause it was so boring 😄

but I know we tech that shit here too

but teenagers are generally better at critical thinking

[weary lake]

Should've dropped it too, considering my grades, but I didn't want geography and history either, so...

[near glen]

I took geography and had to take basically a filler course of history for a year

geography was fun cause we also did economic stuff

stuff like urban development too

just generally felt more useful than biology which is this highly technical shit

same with chemistry, didn't take that, I had physics, which seems more applicable in day to day

[weary lake]

I dropped geography, history and French, but still had maths, higher maths, economics, physics, chemistry, Dutch, English, German, economics and biology.

Only real classes I was good at were maths, everything else was not much more than a pass.

I actually kinda liked chemistry, although guess what we also got there... the atomic structure of DNA. Fun.

[near glen]

I had german, english, music, the history course, geography, social studies (focus), maths (other focus), physics, IT, religion and sport

in germany religion or ethics is mandatory, dont @ me

[weary lake]

Well, sport, religion (called differently, focuses more on your own development), arts and social studies are all mandatory, so had that too.

Music as well, but that's only in lower grades.

[near glen]

music I took up to 11th grade 😄

arts I threw out asap

[weary lake]

Yeah, can't do that here. And music was extremely boring, you weren't actually playing an instrument, or even singing or smth, you were only learning about the history of music, fucking boring

[mystic ermine]

maths, science, english and PE where manditory, I did Design and Tech vs food tech, materials (aka, sewing), IT instead of geography I think it was, and media studies instead of history lol

Well, PE was mandatory but taking it as a course was not

[near glen]

music really depends on the teacher

[weary lake]

It depends on which "level" you do your high school at, the "highest level" only gets this theory bs, whereas lower ones actually like play on a keyboard or smth

I think these levels are the same in the German ed. system, but don't know the names anymore

[near glen]

yeah, we has keyboard stuff

or even simple note reading

which is aced cause I had lessons for 10 years, lmao

[weary lake]

I can read notes, but not because of music class

[near glen]

I cant read notes fluently anymore

fucking tragedy

cause am actually playing again

[weary lake]

If you mean fluently as in while playing an instrument, yeah, me neither, but if you give me a piece of sheet music I can figure out what stuff means

[mystic ermine]

I've been debating on buying like a cheapish guitar

My birth giver said that I could learn piano when she cancelled our swimming lessons and such but it never happened

[near glen]

you could give me a sheet of notes and I could play it imitatively

not fast nor perfect

but I could play it

now I have to go bar by bar, hand by hand

man, just looked at my grates

I don't remember being so bad at sports, lmao

10/15 points, where 4 is passed

german was my worst, 8/15

overall 630 out of 900, where 300 is passed

[weary lake]

Sports was graded on a "bad", "good", "great" scale, and I got a great for basically doing nothing

But sports here is also based on how well you engage in the activities, so if you pretend to do stuff you won't fail.

[near glen]

but my oral german exam at the end was 3/15 cause I didnt give a shit anymore, already signed a job, and had a flight to mallocra booked for the next day 😂

if I had something decent there it would have been 700/900, but oh well

[mystic ermine]

I got a D in media studies and english lit, Forgot that I took lit instead of core english as I'd already passed english itself so we where basically pushed on to doing english lit; We also did maths early on the easier test which tops out at a C so that we could do the test which lets you get an A+, we where crammed af but I still managed to get a B

[near glen]

better than my sister, so thats all that counts

yeah overall this is a B for me too I guess

[mystic ermine]

I was basically a "pass" student all across the board, academics was really not my thing and had the typical issues a shitty upbringing gives

Not to mention when the grading started mattering the teacher who actually got me interested in science broke her ankle or something and left, so we lovingly got some complete utter arse of a woman instead

[near glen]

I was a, do just enough to get a B student, basically my whole live

all my school reports, ever since we had grates, had like a B on average

and always like, almost everything B, but in german and english a C, but an A in maths and some other science thing

[weary lake]

My grades were generally a pass except math which was pretty good. Now in uni I'm doing much better, though.

[near glen]

Uni was horrible 😂

[mystic ermine]

anythin practical I generally did good in

anything theoretical or involving a ton of writing I did shit in

[near glen]

Failed all math exams, finished them after multiple tries with what would be a D I guess? But was good in the IT stuff and got As and Bs so it avaraged out at a bad B again

[weary lake]

I'm generally better at the theoretical stuff. Databases are scary, but now we treat them as tuples and everything is a set and now it's actually fun.

(And no, that's not a joke, I'm generally worse at something when it becomes too concrete.)

[mystic ermine]

ah, so

ur a text book warrior as I call them

[weary lake]

Yes

Like, don't get me wrong actual practical stuff can be fun, but only so much.

[mystic ermine]

I like doing stuff, and I like learning theory and shit, but, my brains understanding of stuff can be hard to click at times, and writing stuff down is pretty much not my thing

My english skills have always kinda sucked, I just really suck at understanding the rules and all the exceptions, etc

[weary lake]

I'm kinda the opposite, precise reading is more my thing, so it's easier for me if you give me a dry textbook with precise defintions than if you give me an example or let me try me own thing.

[near glen]

Oh god I hated that shit in databases

Thankfully my databases exam was a 130% exams, which 100% maximum, so you basically could choose if you did the theoretical one, or the practical task

I enjoyed the programming exams (on PC) the most, cause I could just wack something together

[mystic ermine]

practical DB coursework I had was probs one of the easiest I did throughout uni

Well, next to the basic datatypes shit test I did at the beginning of first year

I 100%'d that biatch

[near glen]

The c++ exam literally was my prof giving me a VM, allowing me to install whatever and put whatever documentation on. He would cut the internet for the exam so we don't communicate, give us tasks with header files and unit tests, and we could just hack away

[foggy fern]

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/27/1031638625/jason-ravnsborg-south-dakota-deadly-crash

[tough cedar]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-hospital-icu-bed-shortage-veteran-dies-treatable-illness/ does something like this get added to the covid deaths?

he didn't die of covid, but he died because of covid

[foggy fern]

That's the kind of stuff that makes people say you should look at excess deaths for a more correct measurement of the harm covid caused

[tough cedar]

ah ok

didn't really think about it, but i guess i don't want to end up in a hospital right now

[foggy fern]

That's a part of why TikTok is banning videos of that stupid milk crate challenge

Don't need people in the hospital from stupid shit like that right now

[near glen]

The statistics track neither of those, they track die with covid. As in, the outcome. If some get it, and then jump from a bridge, your covid outcome is deadly as far as the statistic is concerned.

[foggy fern]

That's not how it works in the US

In the US on your death certificate they're supposed to put all the contributing factors to your death

covid isn't a contributing factor for jumping off a bridge

[near glen]

And that is used for the statistics?

[foggy fern]

Yeah

[near glen]

Yes, cause of death is recorded here too, but not for the statistics

There we just track outcome, you either died, or don't have it anymore

[foggy fern]

They track the underlying cause(s) of death and that's what the CDC and such report

In 2020 covid was an underlying cause of death for 345,323 deaths in the US

There was I think one case where covid was listed for a car accident or something but that's not normal

That might have just been a Fox News talking point though, not finding any proof

They were trying to claim it worked like you said where anyone who died for any reason while testing positive for covid was counted as a covid death

Of course since testing has been so spotty even if that was how we reported things we'd still likely be undercounting since they didn't usually bother to test dead people

[vast phoenix]

it's not a coronavirus death but a coronavirus related death yeah

[keen swift]

Its not modern politics, but its interesting to look at ww2 from Germanys side

[urban vector]

wut

[pure jetty]

https://twitter.com/LegacyKillaHD/status/1431925138417672195?s=19

Michael (@LegacyKillaHD)

Reportedly, Fortnite has disabled almost all emotes for their MLK event... one that is still enabled stands out. Epic Games has a deal with DC for Wonder Woman so her emote remains...

Her emote is cracking a whip.

Jesus christ. Who thought this event was a smart idea...? https://t.co/OO8Gm6KirC

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Twitter · Aug 29, 2021, 10:22 AM

Oh god

[shy gulch]

How did this event get approved

[pure jetty]

wasn't saying oh god to the event

was saying it to the emote

[daring locust]

took me a while to make the connection to slavery

[foggy fern]

The event was yikes too

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1432136335578607620

Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski)

At protest in Santa Monica today before the vote on mask-mandate, Jason Lefkowitz has the home addresses of each LA City Council member on his sign. He says they are going to the homes of whoever votes for it, and if it passes, it’s “civil war, get your guns.” From @chadloder https://t.co/QICGpuT2sc

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Twitter · Aug 30, 2021, 12:21 AM

[pure jetty]

[foggy fern]

Not really politics but I feel like any commentary on it would quickly be
https://twitter.com/PhilosophyTube/status/1432026315536965642

Abigail Thorn (@PhilosophyTube)

also, lmao

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Twitter · Aug 29, 2021, 5:04 PM

[pure jetty]

lmfaoooo

damn you Abigail!

[keen swift]

Imagine being misogynistic

[pure jetty]

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/pegx1d/breaking_news_china_officially_bans_online_gaming/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[near glen]

It's also 3 hours per week iirc

[pure jetty]

Under 18 are allowed to play only between 8pm to 9pm on Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Public holidays are counted as weekend (only 8pm to 9pm).

yeah

[near glen]

Saw a comment along the lines of "great way to piss of a whole generation and make them rebel against the CCP" but sadly, I don't see that happening

https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/1432277087830908931?s=19

Stephen McDonell (@StephenMcDonell)

The authorities in #China have today announced that for, anyone under 18 years old, they're to be limited to playing online games to only 3 hours a week! Plus only these 3 hours: 8 til 9 pm on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. There will be Chinese teenagers flipping out right now!

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Twitter · Aug 30, 2021, 9:40 AM

This was where I found out

Threat, has some more info

https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/1432289178667077635?s=19

Stephen McDonell (@StephenMcDonell)

At least one parent of a teenager working in our office actually cheered out aloud at this news when we heard it. You still can't wipe the smile off her face. ;-)

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This is why I doubt anybody in china cares

The people generally like what the CCP is doing

They have such a different way of life and such different priorities, it's impossible for us understand

I guess like comparable to the fact that I will never understand the American gun laws

[faint radish]

Lol, was just coming in to post about chinas 3 hour limit

[near glen]

League community be like, thank God for this new balance patch, aligning the LPL with the other regions

😂 😂

(LPL is the chinease league)

[glossy sandal]

How would they enforce that

[near glen]

Read the thread

But basically, require game companies to enforce it, by ID, and block access to foreign games using the great firewall

[glossy sandal]

👎

[restive seal]

American here. I don't get it either.

[keen swift]

I wonder how expensive the great firewall costs to maintain

[restive seal]

It's free

[foggy fern]

ISPs enforce it or they don't get to be ISPs

Government doesn't actually run it afaik

[torn wadi]

Firewall of Cisco.

[loud flax]

when i was growing up, we had a rule where we could only use the computer for half an hour, at a specific time of the day

can't imagine a government would enforce something like this

[weary lake]

I know someone else whose parents did that as well - not sure what the exact time span was, but same idea. Luckily I never had that myself.

[daring locust]

my parents only allowed me 15 minutes on the ipad, but 30 minutes behind the computer

[foggy fern]

I wonder why these numbers are all over the place https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-how-well-covid-19-vaccines-work-against-the-delta-variant#Vaccines-vs.-Delta-variant

Israel and US studies suggest the vaccines are pretty bad against infection from Delta (although still really good at preventing symptomatic infections and hospitalization) but all the others say they're either only a little less effective or no change

The majority of the studies say the vaccines aren't too good at preventing infection with Delta though so that seems to be the consensus so far

[faint radish]

That’s all that really matters…. Preventing hospitalization and death. Idc if I’m sick for a few days or a week, I’ve been sick before for that long.

[near glen]

https://twitter.com/BDaveWalters/status/1431862519094673418?s=19

B. Dave Walters: I Say Words About Things (@BDaveWalters)

I remember back when something like this would have been obviously satire

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Twitter · Aug 29, 2021, 6:13 AM

So true

In other news

https://twitter.com/helinmartini/status/1432265247574970369?s=19

Helîn.laugh☀️ (@helinmartini)

Erdogan has sued 38,581 people over the past 6 years for being offended. Let that sink in

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Twitter · Aug 30, 2021, 8:53 AM

[tough cedar]

i would hope that first tweet is a joke

it's funnier that way

[near glen]

If it is or isn't doesn't even matter

The fact you can't be sure explains better than everything else the state of society

There is a non zero chance somebody could actually say that with a straight face

[foggy fern]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/health/covid-ivermectin-prescriptions.html

One of the largest trials studying ivermectin for Covid-19 treatment, called the Together Trial, was halted by the data safety monitoring board on Aug. 6 because the drug had been shown to be no better than a placebo at preventing hospitalization or prolonged stay in the emergency room. Dr. Edward Mills, a professor at McMaster University who led the study, which enrolled more than 1,300 patients, said the team would have discontinued it earlier were it not for the level of public interest in ivermectin.

[foggy fern]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-30/covid-vaccination-foes-protest-homes-of-two-l-a-city-council

Oh yeah and https://twitter.com/DeptofDefense/status/1432492782837501956

Department of Defense 🇺🇸 (@DeptofDefense)

The last American soldier to leave Afghanistan: Maj. Gen. Chris Donahue, commanding general of the @82ndABNDiv, @18airbornecorps boards an @usairforce C-17 on August 30th, 2021, ending the U.S. mission in Kabul.

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[languid rampart]

my parents would like give me 1.3 mins daily if i was lucky

[mystic ermine]

We had no real limits bar bed time and homework, my parents where pretty absent however, so, like, not like there was much else; my brothers went out a good fair bit as they got older but, er, sorta started associating with the wrong people and such

The limits that china is doing, er, I mean, a lot of people actually support it over there, especially given things like the laying down movement, there is a lot of stuff going on there, and apparently many people have stories of "losing" family members to gaming

apparently some 14 year old girl went missing

they found her years later in an internet cafe

https://www.gameskinny.com/mrm9s/missing-chinese-woman-found-living-the-video-game-high-life-in-internet-cafes-for-10-years

(Found that one off Naomi Wu, who also basically told that there is a lot of support for it given stuff like ^)

[near glen]

Without knowing too many Chinese people, I can see how they are more susceptible to gaming addiction like that, it's still a really drastic measure

[languid rampart]

i think it was just me with strict limits, my little sister sould do anything she wanted

[mystic ermine]

drastic times call for drastic measures, I guess

I disagree with it and it sucks, but, it's not exactly something without any support

especially given that it's a growing issue and game devs are only making games much more addictive

[near glen]

Everything the CCP does is with support

[mystic ermine]

Also, it's pretty much primarily linked to online games, single player and campaign games, etc, are all currently fair play, apparently

[urban vector]

i do wish they actually did a bit more to cull the addictiveness of online gaming

it's like they've successfully noticed a problem (video games can be unhealthily addicting) and just decided to prevent the gaming part rather than the addicting part

it's like the easy way out

[near glen]

Yeeaah, exactly

And fail to see the advantages

Should we count the amount of people in here which found a job thanks to a youth of gaming?

[mystic ermine]

online gaming*

and, china has a real massive societal issue here, it's heavy handed af but I can understand why they're restricting online games, as always there are ways around it but that's mostly on the parents to decide

at least imho, this is basically china's prohibition

[keen swift]

I think its sto incredibly stupid that Global warming has got this far, like we have all the solutions already but politicians just wont use them because of their bottom line

[near glen]

well

really

the market has failed us

and only then you can blame the politicians for not better regulating the market

the markets have a fundamental problem: they only care about short term profits

[keen swift]

Like how the market as in oil companies and companies that use the oil and non recyclable materials?

[near glen]

thats a part, ye

[mystic ermine]

what solutions?

There are still many things which are in the pipeline

[keen swift]

Traveling wave nuclear reactors

Recyclable plastics

[mystic ermine]

even all of the reports say that the stuff required to be net 0 by 2050 is still in progress

recylcing is already done but also convoluted as all fuck

[keen swift]

there are a bunch

[mystic ermine]

nuclear reactors are held back heavily by NIMBYers

[keen swift]

sorry biodegradable plastics, the plant based ones

[mystic ermine]

biodegradable plastics afaik aren't super perfect yet either and stupidly convoluted

many "biodegradable" plastics really aren't

Like, some places actually forbid you from placing biodegradable plastics in your compost because of that

[keen swift]

The ""Biodegradable" plastics made by oil ya is not biodegradable because they just turn into smaller plastics, but the ones made from sea weed and plants do, and even if their not perfect its still something

[mystic ermine]

it's not something if they don't actually biodegrade

using plastics for stuff is really not an issue afaik

[keen swift]

Im saying plant ones do biodegrade, but not the oil based "Biodegradable"

This is just my opinion, but I think that even though these things like Traveling wave nuclear reactors and Plant based plastics are not the greatest, their our only chance against global warming, and we can further improve them aswell

[mystic ermine]

The thing is that a lot of this stuff is still early days and who knows if it will actually get there fully

many "green" alternatives which are highly touted sometimes even have their own dangerously negative affects

[keen swift]

But alot of them we already have figured out

[mystic ermine]

"figured out" but still many years from being a commercial viability

[keen swift]

Like with traveling wave nuclear reactors we had done all the research but had to stop because of the trade war

They could power the U.S. for the next 100 years with our nuclear waste laying around

[mystic ermine]

issue with nuclear is that you're ironically going to have to fight a lot of greenpeace types

[keen swift]

And there are ones that are not ready to be used or are not economically the best but we have to do something

[mystic ermine]

I love nuclear and think that it's one of the best solutions we have, but, t'is gonna be fun

Yes, but saying that we have the solutions right now is just stupid

reminds me of the time mcdonalds replaced their straws with paper ones

only to find out that they coated them with a material which made them unable to be recycled

[keen swift]

They did that, I thought Macdonalds would never lol

[mystic ermine]

or apple having replaced their cables with a different type of plastic which was "environmentally friendly" which means that people throw out cables every year or two because they literally disintergrate

Cool, the material is greener, but, now you're actually having more of an ecological impact because now you're having to make much more of the product in question

[keen swift]

I hope they start doing something more pretty quick, I dont feel like spending the rest of my life on this earth with the way they describe what its going to be like

[shy gulch]

What i am about to write is very long

XD sorry Have to do it in parts

These things are describing are contradictions of capitalism are inherent in the system itself: Capitalist competition inevitably leads to crisis. These contradictions cannot be done away with within the bounds of the capitalist system. They occur independently, outside the will and control of the capitalists themselves. Capitalism is not a rational system.

In the the Second German Edition of Capital Marx wrote (January 24, 1873):

“The contradictions, inherent in the movement of the capitalist’s society, impress themselves upon the practical bourgeois most strikingly in the changes of the periodic cycle, through which modern industry runs and whose crowning point is the universal crisis.”

The central point is that, according to Marx, capitalism carries with its gradual progress all the potentialities of contradiction. So contradic­tions are inherent in every capitalist system. The capitalists leave no stone unturned to get rid of the contradictions, but there is no way out.

It has been maintained by Marx that the contradictions of capitalism have not come from outside, rather their seeds were within capitalism and the system is itself responsible. He has explained the capitalist system in the outlook of materialistic conception of history and has noted that, in the feudal system, property relations were incompatible with already developed productive forces.

The existing relations of production and property were converted into so many fetters and they had to burst asunder. Into their place stepped free competition, accompanied by a social and political constitution adapted to it, and by the economical and political sway of the bourgeois class.

The development of capitalism under the guidance of the bourgeoisie has surpassed all past records of social progress. In all fields such as transport, communication, commerce, and, finally, productive system and production relations, the development of capitalism is really miraculous. But this is the source of crisis and contradiction.

The development of capitalism is followed by the epidemic of over-production. Why? The capitalists, in order to earn more and more profit, produce more and more. On the contrary, the society is not well-equipped for the consumption.

[pure jetty]

so you pasted an entire article here

[shy gulch]

Citation is here If u want to use that

https://www.politicalsciencenotes.com/capitalism/contradiction-in-capitalism-origin-nature-evaluation-and-criticism/1271

[pure jetty]

ok so what's your replacement system

if we assume what that article says is true

[shy gulch]

Capitalism leads to over production in a nutshell,

[pure jetty]

ok so how do you fix that

[shy gulch]

Due to the profit motive

Oh is the question what system would replace capitalism?

[pure jetty]

sure

[shy gulch]

Why i think Capitalism leads to over production?

[pure jetty]

well you just explained that capitalism is flawed

how would you replace it

[shy gulch]

Oh well, that would depend on the state we are talking about.

[near glen]

you just described a problem, jroy wants to hear your thoughts on a potential solution

[shy gulch]

OH ok

Sorry about that

Well, depends on how we approach the problem of over production. there can be a # of ways to handle it. Idealy geting rid of waste would be #1 goal here

So, Rather then trowing away tons of Food lets say

We should take that food and donate it to charity/churches

Not all items can do this BUT most can

[mystic ermine]

and capitalism is the system which allowed for there to be extra food in order to be able to have excesses to be able to hand out to those in need

[shy gulch]

Well, in the current state of afairs most of it is in landfills right?

[mystic ermine]

there is defo waste, all systems have that when there is no direct demand to supply link

No?

Well

[pure jetty]

So what you're saying is true, but this isn't like something that is fixed that easy

[mystic ermine]

outside of cases where they can't due to regulations, most supermarkets have agreements with food banks, etc, to donate excess goods

[pure jetty]

you can't just make only enough food for everyone, that's not possible

[mystic ermine]

I mean, that's at least the case where I live last I knew

[shy gulch]

Bout 40% is just waste https://www.rts.com/resources/guides/food-waste-america/

[pure jetty]

and sending all excess to charity isn't logistically possible as well

[mystic ermine]

most of that waste is people buying food and throwing it out

at least last I recall from the stats

[shy gulch]

Yes, So this is a simple thing people can do themselfs not trow out tons of food

[pure jetty]

yeah sure I agree

[mystic ermine]

easier said than done

[pure jetty]

I wouldn't attribute it the economic system tho

[mystic ermine]

and, for the most part, really not an issue

[pure jetty]

it's more a societal issue

[shy gulch]

40% waste is a big problem

[mystic ermine]

last I knew, most of it was basically fruits and such

[shy gulch]

In fact, food is the single largest component taking up space inside US landfills,

[mystic ermine]

be better to just toss it into a compost pile and send it back to nature

[shy gulch]

Sure!

That a great idea too

Better then godam trashing 40% of the waste

[mystic ermine]

thing is that majority of food waste is actually "greens"

[shy gulch]

Wasteful over production is not great worse is ppl trow out the food

[mystic ermine]

theres always gonna be a level of waste with stuff which isn't really distributable outside of the size it "naturally" comes in, you buy a bunch of banannas and you don't eat the full bunch in time, it's wasted

[shy gulch]

When we have mass homelessness and hunger

[pure jetty]

But it's not an overproduction

if it were overproduction, the people making the food would be the largest group chucking the food

there are vendors/people buying the food

[shy gulch]

They also do that

[pure jetty]

not in any large amounts

[shy gulch]

I think Pandemic they trew out god knows how much food

[mystic ermine]

most of the closer to the source food waste I see is caused by the government

[pure jetty]

well sure

people overstocked

and it went bad

the pandemic fucked a lot of other things too

[shy gulch]

Oh for sure

[mystic ermine]

people overstocked, there is also a lot of efficencies gained from going to say, the sandwich shop vs buying a lettuce and using 1/2 of it over a week or whatever

[shy gulch]

I like laws in place to prevent food waste and for ppl to care and try to avoid waste

[pure jetty]

well how would that law work

who would you enforce that on

and how would you enforce that

[mystic ermine]

then try to gain support for reducing regulations which get in the way and to try to encourage supermarkets to donate more

[shy gulch]

Like in france I think wall mart has to donate left over stock that they did not sell that day

OR compost is a really good idea as well

[pure jetty]

that isn't a bad idea

[shy gulch]

Well, i mean the bread and canes etc that they are legit trowing away anyway

Can just be toss in a pin and pickd up but a local charity

Or mabe a big one

[pure jetty]

yeah I wouldn't be opposed to that

[shy gulch]

I am very sure they would be happy to get extra food

[pure jetty]

you could also put some tax credit to give them a good reason to donate food

[shy gulch]

yea why not

[pure jetty]

or just a tax on wasted non-perishable food

[shy gulch]

there are ways we can work on making the earth a better place

Ideal we want a post need/want but we cant get there if we do not get rid of waste

[mystic ermine]

theres always gonna be waste

best we can do is minimise it

[shy gulch]

Sure>? but we can curb it

[mystic ermine]

but, I mean, post need/want is complex

who produces the food? who creates the products which entertain?

humans have pretty much always worked on value

[shy gulch]

Oh well i mean I am a communist so i would like a workers state

[faint radish]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1432689282397900802?s=21

Wow, nearly every American renter doesn’t pay their rent?

Axios (@axios)

For the first time since March 2020, nearly all American renters can now be evicted https://t.co/cydDCsNCz2

Twitter · Aug 31, 2021, 12:58 PM

[mystic ermine]

many people lost their sources of income, i believe that this time of the year at least for us who are close to like student age are prime for moving or lease renewal time, etc, etc

[faint radish]

Oh I’m sure there are some people, maybe a lot, who can’t pay their rent. But nearly every American who is renting a living space?

[mystic ermine]

a whole pool of shi is basically starting to head into a shitter

all american renters

I mean

It's not just people who haven't paid their rent

Hot housing market means that landlords have a strong will to increase your rent on renewal and such

I mean, I think that statement is a misnomer

I get a feeling they're tryna say that the protections put in place for nearly all renters are expiring

[faint radish]

That is true. But you cant evict for no reason, at least where I live.

You have to, idk, not pay. And I don’t think nearly all renters aren’t paying

[mystic ermine]

Well, no, many places have protections, but, the protections are expiring

That's not what they're saying

that phrasing is ass

[faint radish]

That’s what I’m talking about

The phrasing

[mystic ermine]

They're basically saying that nearly all renters have lost the protections put in place

oh

ur phrasing is just as bad as theirs

[faint radish]

I didn’t add anything…?

[mystic ermine]

I erm...

I'm mentally dead and it's all your fault, or something

[faint radish]

“Nearly all American renters can be evicted” just isn’t true

[mystic ermine]

it's designed to be click-baity

[faint radish]

If you pay, you can’t be evicted (barring some other violation of your agreement)

[mystic ermine]

afaik just typical axios

part of why I really pissing hate news sites these days to the fact that I'm pretty sure I've hidden a good fair few on my news feed

it's just a total fucking plague of click bait and like, non-articles

right as I said that

[foggy fern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng

[tough cedar]

that was a good video

it's cool getting "meta" videos like that

[faint radish]

I refuse to watch it

I won’t be drawn in by some “clickbaity” title like that

[tough cedar]

unfortunate! it's a really good video lol

[faint radish]

How much you being paid to promote it hmm?

😛

[tough cedar]

nothing, veritasium is just one of my favorite 'learning' channels

veritasium, tom scott, and smarter every day all great

[loud flax]

smarter every day is such a great channel

[tough cedar]

indeed, the submarine videos were super cool

[torn wadi]

No idea if the article is unbiased, but damn: https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/australia-surveillance-bill/

[woven reef]

The new Texas laws went into place today.

[near glen]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/sep/01/collector-buys-fake-banksy-nft-for-244000
"The incident undermines one of the things that make NFTs so attractive: the fact that they offer cryptographically secure authenticity. But the problem is that authenticity is dependent on the seller being who they say they are."

Lmao

cryptographically secure authenticity!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1433123220643717120?s=19

Elon Musk (@elonmusk)

@thesheetztweetz They can shake their fist at the sky

Retweets

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Likes

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Twitter · Sep 1, 2021, 5:42 PM

This one is also really interesting

If you have inter communication of sats, how do you regulate that?

Suddenly the internet is truly without borders

[faint radish]

well you still need something on the group to recieve the connection right? aka the starlink dishes

that's probably harder to regulate

unless I'm missing something here

[near glen]

Yeah, you basically don't have a router for your landline, you got the starlink terminal

But you can buy that wherever, so good luck regulating that

I guess since it's sending and receiving signals, it falls under regulating for that, but stuff like ISP mandated url blocking is a nono

And like, how do you wanna geoblock, if SpaceX doesn't tell you the location of a user

What Netflix library do I get access to on starlink?

A part of me hopes that will be the end of geo blocking, but we all know the copyright mafia will never allow that

[foggy fern]

Starlink geofences their own users so they clearly have the capability

Refusing to do so sounds like a good way to get your signals jammed or get used for testing anti-satellite missiles

It's not hard to jam a satellite signal, doesn't take much power

Did you guys see the Bandemic on Reddit today?

They started banning the covid misinformation subreddits

[brisk cradle]

So I hear that coat hanger abortions are back in style in Texas

[torn wadi]

What about the rat abortions?

[shy gulch]

The

What

[torn wadi]

Welcome to Balkan. Don't have a spare coat hanger and/or stairs? Time to apply the rat method.

[near glen]

I will never understand why the self proclaimed land of the free doesn't respect the freedom of self-determination over your own body

[torn wadi]

Because they don't recognize the 19th amendment.

[brisk cradle]

It’s because the far-right firmly believes they’re above the law

[near glen]

If that goes against existing laws, you got courts for that, right?