everyone allows sideloading now (then), so ya
#politics
faint radish
near glen
I don't see anyone on the market calling apple not having sideloading a feature
You either think it's a flaw or you don't give a shit
faint radish
thats what they are saying it provides an extra guarantee of the quality of the products and what you can do with them.
I think its a feature
one of the reasons I like the more restrictive mac operating system
faint radish
dont lol that, its dismissive and stupid to do in actual discussions.
I'm talking about the restrictive-ness that iOS and macOS have compared to their respective couterparts
I consider those features and a reason I prefer them over their counterparts
near glen
By hiding a sideload button, you don't loose any restrictiveness
MacOS does it too
(I actually don't know how they warn you nowadays)
faint radish
one reason Apple products are popular even when more expensive, is the "they just work" factor
its more difficult to configure your device into a state where you dont like using it
I think steve jobs said exactly that in a press conference
and adding sideloading, just makes it easier to do that, configure your device into a state where you dont like it as much as you did
and Apple wanting to avoid that to retain their image of their products is a totally valid goal
near glen
I just don't see why side loading conflicts with that goal
faint radish
because it makes it easier to make your device less usable
near glen
If you do side load stuff, it get something that is meh, you can just uninstall it again
It's not like a sideloaded app can byepass platform restrictions
Because that would be a security issue, even for non side load enabled devices
restive seal
If you do side load stuff, it get something that is meh, you can just uninstall ...
You should meet the average user. They don't know how.
near glen
Hey went thru 5 hoops to install smth, they aren't the average user
Would actually be interesting to get google to disclose the percentage of ppl that do allow sideloading
Also, on Android you give that permission to an app nowadays, which makes it more secure again
You would give the perm once to chrome, and then to the app store you installed, like f-droid
Then you can't accidentally download some APK and install it
Cause it will be blocked
Let's talk about smth else
How are ppl supposed to make informed choices if they don't get presented the facts
American journalism has failed
dusky raft
apple's point of sideloading is utter bullshit, and they know it. sure, it makes them the gatekeeper of their ecosystem, and their argument of privacy isnt without merit. However Apple has been pushing towards cloud services much more as of lately, and they do have a monopoly on which apps can and cannot be on iOS
also @near glen, apple could take a look at what you said and implement it, but that would take a dent in their profit.
pure jetty
American journalism hasn't failed lmfao
mainstream media is still pretty good with giving facts
Pundits are hit or miss
near glen
mainstream media is still pretty good with giving facts
4% isn't pretty good, lol
near glen
also <@!134340832093405184>, apple could take a look at what you said and implem...
That's not relevant infront of a court thankfully
pure jetty
Also it's a really weird definition of failed
And I have no idea what they're trying to suggest
Local news is some of the most important new reporting
near glen
Which is way it's important that they put all events into the proper scientific context so ppl can make informed decisions
pure jetty
i mean they could have only been covering it in the weather section in which it would make sense they don't go into a huge scientific segment
glossy sandal
I sampled 20 conservative newspapers about climate change correlating with higher temperatures and drought and the results may shock you
pure jetty
so that tweet is really weird
near glen
They sampled all mentions of the current extreme weather
pure jetty
Local news weather is very brief, doesn't give researched segments
Maybe will give "hottest temperature on this day in history"
But that's about it
That's a really weird expectation of a weather segment
glossy sandal
I mean if the sample is all leaning towards one belief that climate change isnt real it doesnt matter how broad the group is it will be pretty easy to figure the results
Or atleast the dont talkers
near glen
"record heat expected next week, these events become more frequent because of the climate catastrophe" just simple stuff like this
near glen
I mean if the sample is all leaning towards one belief that climate change isnt ...
Again, there is no bias in the data, it's all mentions of the weather event
pure jetty
It's not really something that happens in the US I guess
glossy sandal
People like to throw around fearmongering and doomsday alot in news so maybe they dont mention it
shut vine
How many of those same newspapers during the same sample time size said "see climate change is not real" during cold snaps?
shut vine
A journalist that is honest/good at their job, would have researched that as well. Because the absence of that kind of thing could be more indicative of them not thinking readers want to read about it in the weather section.
foggy fern
Local TV news is mostly owned by two large fairly conservative groups, at least one of which dictates programming
glossy sandal
Like 75% of my local newspaper are opinion columns, 15% police/ambulance calls, and the rest are news
shut vine
A majority of news outlets sell their opinions as news.
foggy fern
They still have these things though, it didn't stop just because someone called them on it
shut vine
That includes mainstream.
glossy sandal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZggCipbiHwE
I feel like trying to do anything about this atleast outside of public outrage would be considered "anti democracy" or "anti free speech" by most people lol
shut vine
They are accurate, mostly, however they are all probably guilty of hypocrisy
foggy fern
We recognized the problem with this kind of thing by not allowing companies to own either more than one or a majority of stations in a given market
They missed the case of a national actor owning all the markets
glossy sandal
Yeah the macro would be fucking business monopolies
The real curse to american democracy
drifting arch
@wispy talon ^
shy gulch
I like cheese
weary lake
Please keep this limited to political discussion
deft bronze
idk man, cheese is pretty political
shy gulch
Yeah
daring locust
no
faint radish
wat
sand shale
lmao
drifting arch
With regex can I attach a sequence of similar strings to the front of each of these lines?
https://gist.github.com/simpleauthority/1b53c0003312c254db59291c3539aaa6
I want to attach something like /path/to/folder/Image00001.jpg and have it count up for each line
May have to do simple script but just wondering if anyone knows off their top of their heads
foggy fern
You can't do that with pure regex but in JS for example replace can take a function instead of a string
drifting arch
yeah thought so, alright I'll do that thanks!
drifting arch
just realized i asked that in politics... .-. sorry
dark crystal
sir, this is a Wendy's
glossy sandal
Really political simple kinda surprising wow.
frosty jasper
I disagree
restive seal
Florida man.
What I'm hearing is we had a chance of better healthcare and Florida screwed it up on us
pure jetty
this coulda been the US if it weren't for florida 
brisk cradle
Florida man.
On the contrary, if the entire country followed the Florida man's recommendations. things would've gotten a lot worse. He merely got lucky and converted that luck into political power, which he'll flex in 2022 and 2024. I see him as a top-tier presidential contender, as long as Trump isn't running of course.
Even though Trump is likely to end up in prison, he'll probably have the balls to mount a campaign from prison.
restive seal
Even though Trump is likely to end up in prison
Everyone seems afraid to indict.
brisk cradle
More like it's still early days for any indictment.
Remember, Cyrus Vance only recently got his hands on Trump's tax returns and are trying to convince Allen Weisselberg to flip on Trump.
But the prosecution is likely to be slow.
I wouldn't see an indictment until 2022 at the earliest.
Others who followed similar policies to DeSantis on COVID (looking at you Sweden) paid a dear price for it.
pure jetty
Even though Trump is likely to end up in prison, he'll probably have the balls t...
Someone has to take after John McAfee!
daring locust
#nietgevaccineerdenclub (#notvaccinatedclub) is trending on NL twitter
what has this country become
restive seal
Sick, soon
daring locust
LMAO
foggy fern
near glen
Smh, spoilers, didn't watch the episode yet ๐
torn wadi
ELIGIBLE TO FLORIDA RESIDENTS WITH A FLORIDA SHIPPING ADDRESS ONLY
shy gulch
Cheese racism has gone to far some people like white cheese some people like cheese with holes in it some people like cheddar we need to stop cheese racism
daring locust
...
if you're only here to make remarks related to cheese you shouldn't be in here
this is for serious discussions only
loud flax
i'd actually be curious if anyone's mind has been changed from having these discussions
daring locust
probably
though this channel is mostly here just to have discussions, not really convince like in an actual debate
glossy sandal
Idk about changing my mind but definitely grabbed some different angles on some of the subjects talked about here
daring locust
yeah, seeing different povs
amber cliff
i dont think i am gonna get the covid vaccine, but im getting some others
i have gotten some others
covid vaccine hasn't been tested enough
takes a little time for vaccines to see the long-term effects
~
foggy fern
Unless it has some long term (years later) effects we can't see any sign of so far it's been pretty well tested
foggy fern
That's not usually how things work
mystic ermine
Theres been some things which have popped up
AZ is now only recommended to 60+ people now in some place
foggy fern
The only things I've seen are things that happen within a week or two of getting the shot
mystic ermine
one of the vaccines has apparently been affecting periods, but, didn't read up on that one
foggy fern
Eh, gotta be careful with that stuff, people to trolling through VAERS and don't understand what they're looking at
amber cliff
i'm from pennsylvania, i'm too stupid to know if the vaccines are different half across the country or
not
foggy fern
Like, if you get a vaccine (any vaccine) then go to your doctor for anything, real or not, related or not, they log it as potentially being related to a vaccine
It's so they can do statistics later and see if things are happening more often for people with a vaccine than for the general public
But lots of people have been skimming through there recently and posting about it on facebook
mystic ermine
I mean, it's just early days, and theres been a few things which I've seen which as somebody who was already going down the path for a potential CFS diagnosis kinda has me on the eeer
foggy fern
#1 cause of CFS in the past year is... covid ๐
mystic ermine
Then again, apparently it's not all that much of a misnomer here
I mean, I was tired all the time, got ill late 2019 or something, and then basically tiredness got worse
And, yea, well, my mate who already has chronic health conditions had a mate who literally, the guy probably could have the fucking plague and he'd still randomly knock on the door, and this was after he came back ill after international travel, so, I do kinda have a feeling that I may have had it already, but, fuck knows
amber cliff
i had covid in 2019, right before this all started
around mid-december
i had a strong dry/wet cough
and it cleared up a couple weeks later
atleast i think
it was covid
an awful coincidence
that it started around the same time
foggy fern
dry/wet cough?
amber cliff
interchanging
foggy fern
covid is supposed to be dry only
foggy fern
And the main symptom to tell it was covid would be losing taste/smell
mystic ermine
I mean, I've been somewhat conviniced for a while that I had it, around the same kinda time, flu, headache, dizzy, what didn't help is that I'd been put on crazy person meds around the same time and was having hefty side-effects from those too
amber cliff
didn't lose that
foggy fern
2019 seems to have had a strong flu going around too, at least in the US
A lot of people say in late 2019 they got knocked on their ass with bad flu symptoms and now all think they got covid days after the first known case in China
Or even before the first known case
amber cliff
ah
foggy fern
But none of them report the lost of smell/taste which is a key covid symptom
mystic ermine
Horror is tryna remember the timeframs here
amber cliff
well im just happy this crap is dying down already
hopefully we'll be back to normal by fall
daring locust
really hope so
because my grades really have taken a hit due to covid restrictions
loud flax
pretty repulsive to call a group of people disgusting for who they are. Actions deserve that kind of merit, not who someone is, so this guy is disgusting in that sense
it's a sensitive topic, so pretty bad to come to conclusions like this
near glen
Poland, Hungary, Czech, whatever, all the same
daring locust
basically 3rd world countries at that point imo
near glen
Meh
That's an unfair comparison
Just because you part of the 3rd world doesn't mean you don't have morals
So leave those ppl alone, they have problems enough, no need to throw them into the same bag as alt right conservative ass hats like those countries above
foggy fern
Technically they'd be 2nd world countries, no? ๐
No one actually uses those terms for what they were for anyway though
Twitter
pure jetty
rare shaun banger
torn wadi
Remember bro: Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
molten forge
WACKD.
foggy fern
Oklahoma City Bombing was revenge from an anti-government wacko for Waco, wasn't it?
In March 1993, McVeigh visited the Waco site during the standoff, and again after the siege ended. He later decided to bomb a federal building as a response to the raids and to protest what he believed to be US government efforts to restrict rights of private citizens, in particular those under the Second Amendment. McVeigh believed that federal agents were acting like soldiers, thus making an attack on a federal building an attack on their command centers.
daring locust
not how it works but ok
restive seal
Qanon causing us to lose a cold war is pretty rough.
pure jetty
lol
glossy sandal
What does that have to do with qanon
pure jetty
none of those things would affect our ability to industrialize, improve infrastructure, or get a higher gdp
restive seal
Yeah it is very weird that the right is focused so much on people asking "don't be a jerk" to the point of ignoring other important things. I don't have any ideas on the solution to that one beyond "stop getting upset when actions have consequences"
Filibustering election reform, living wage, infrastructure fixes, green energy, and civil rights? ๐ค
foggy fern
1st world countries are NATO, 2nd are Eastern Bloc, 3rd is everyone else
These days it's just used as 1st world is industrialized and 3rd world isn't
Oh I guess it was more than just NATO
oak cloak
1st world exploits, 3rd world is exploited, essentially
warm ibex
sounds very leninist
meager ice
Thats More so global north vs global south
foggy fern
tldr she worked there until the end of November 2019, thinks their safety procedures were more than good enough (she copied some of them at her 'normal' lab), never got covid, and none of the people she worked with there got it as of December
So she is disputing the WSJ report that three people from the lab were hospitalized with flu-like symptoms in November
Says their reporting procedures for such a thing and scientists being really gossipy makes it likely she would have heard about that even if they weren't people she regularly worked with or socialized with
pure jetty
i mean i'd still be vary wary of anyone who's been that close to the chinese government in general
not that I think covid was or wasn't a lab leak, but still should take anything coming close to the chinese government with a grain of salt
foggy fern
She's an Australian who works at a lab in Singapore on ebola and got funding to do research at Wuhan because they also study bat-borne viruses
I guess she was close to the government by accepting the grant but she doesn't seem like someone who would be pushing their agenda
pure jetty
yeah I mean not saying they 100% were but still wouldn't take it without a grain of salt
shut vine
Additionally if these theories were confirmed, she'd likely be implicated too
But that alone isn't evidence of something, just another reason she'd not be forthcoming if the theories were true
near glen
Saw a comment under a tweet with a vid where somebody wore a mask during a pandemic. Smth smth "i don't like that you wear a mask, show me the science".
So I clicked their profile
Why are people like this?
Like, last I checked I didn't face systematic issues when trying to get a job as a dev, meaning a coworker was asked in job Interview if she thinks she's right here since she can't carry a server. Said HR idiot was fired later, but still, just one example out of the many hurdles a woman in my field has to overcome.
So like, yes, encourage everyone to work in stem, but obviously young girls need additional help, showing them that it is infact possible to work here as a woman, and raining on that parade just makes you a giant asshole
Urg ppl disgust me
Thanks for coming to my soap box
warm ibex
Why are people like this?
some people just want to feel special and they do that by rejecting progressive culture around them
near glen
But how is encouraging woman progressive....
warm ibex
they have a very low bar for progressivism ig
foggy fern
peak wigeon
russia best
loud flax
imagine if the US government was suddenly replaced by a bunch of CyberDads, what our country would look like then
near glen
right now its only half ๐
blazing junco
Like, last I checked I didn't face systematic issues when trying to get a job as...
In my country we are facing a systemic issue in STEM where they're heavily favoring women. Every international program that comes here promotes women in STEM and makes women-only programs. I can count the amount of both-genders-allowed programs here on my fingers. Kinda sucks. Is it fine to promote women in STEM? Sure. Is it fine to completely leave men on the sidelines? No.
near glen
do men actually have issues getting into uni and jobs because of this?
urban vector
so men aren't being completely left on the sidelines then
and saying "there are no scholarships for men in STEM" is almost certainly wrong as there probably are plenty, just no "Men in STEM" scholarships, because why would there be, they don't face systematic issues in the industry
blazing junco
and saying "there are no scholarships for men in STEM" is almost certainly wrong...
no, there's women only scholarships lol also "men aren't being completely left on the sidelines" while actively being discouraged by the people here who promote women-only programs
near glen
well, what do the numbers at uni look like?
blazing junco
don't think I have those statistics on hand
faint radish
I think in the US for at least the last 5 years, there have been more female college graduates
def not in STEM-specific areas
weary lake
Were there any scholarships for men before, though? Cause if not, then it's kinda meh, but otherwise it's just a dick move.
near glen
yeah thats a more general thing, males are more likely to drop out iirc
which country we talking about, maybe I can find some dtaa idriz
blazing junco
Were there any scholarships for men before, though? Cause if not, then it's kind...
No. As far as I've seen when STEM related programs came to Kosovo they exclusively promoted and still promote women only programs
blazing junco
which country we talking about, maybe I can find some dtaa idriz
and ye ^ Kosovo
weary lake
Kinda meh then, at least they're not actively hurting males
blazing junco
Oh they're not actively hurting them, just not giving them as many opportunities
near glen
blazing junco
can you send the link to the source of the study please
near glen
dont have the source
the figure is from https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339777833
N = 1050
grade 10 and 11
"The study included a nationwide survey (N=1,050) with boys and girls in upper
secondary education (grades 10 and 11) and four focus groups consisting of
students in high schools and freshmen university students in social sciences
or natural sciences. Both survey and focus group analyses included students
from majority and non-majority communities in Kosovo."
(I obviously have not read the full paper)
blazing junco
That's not data from the University of Pristina, the biggest university in the nation. The paper however does contain a graph I'll screenshot
near glen
math at uni is woman dominated, ye
blazing junco
The biggest uni in Kosovo
urban vector
women only programs aren't putting men on the sidelines, they're evening out an imbalance
blazing junco
in other countries? maybe. but STEM here doesn't tend to be segregated like that
near glen
look at the engineering ones, lol
blazing junco
Isn't math part of STEM as well?
If you want to concentrate on Engineering fields then sure
near glen
idk what your programs focus on, that would be the interesting thing here
but yes, when I think about stem, I think more about the engineering types of thing than the academical stuff like maths
weary lake
"Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics"
"natural sciences, including biology, physics, and chemistry; and formal sciences, of which mathematics is an example, along with logic and statistics"
is what wikipedia says
blazing junco
Also it would be interesting to see what's happened in the last three years, i've seen a lot more women going into engineering(but this is more anectodal) so maybe there's a balance being created there eventually. Don't take my word for it though
blazing junco
but yes, when I think about stem, I think more about the engineering types of th...
Well then don't call it STEM
Engineering itself is male dominated
blazing junco
how do you mean?
weary lake
It'd make more sense to not focus on natural sciences and math, since those are already female-dominated, but engineering at least is still male-dominated. It's not the worst thing in the world, could be better.
near glen
avg the difference of all stem fields in that chart
faint radish
what is the goal of women only programs?
blazing junco
what is the goal of women only programs?
Scholarships for universities abroad, employment, training, stuff like that
blazing junco
avg the difference of all stem fields in that chart
In that case we're gonna have to also split natural sciences into all of them
faint radish
right, but what are they trying to correct, or change?
blazing junco
The thing is STEM in its acronym isn't segregated here as much, but the women-only programs seem to treat it as such. They may have data I don't have, but based on the study it doesn't look too bad
weary lake
Male-dominance in STEM fields
blazing junco
*Engineering
faint radish
I see Female-dominance in other fields, but no men only scholarships right?
blazing junco
I see Female-dominance in other fields, but no men only scholarships right?
Not about men-only scholarships
There's only women-only scholarships
None that promote both genders
urban vector
i have seen men-only scholarships in dominated fields but you also have to remember that one of these groups is systematically oppressed, the other isn't
blazing junco
Depends on the country, again, here it doesn't seem they're oppressed in STEM, maybe Engineering alone
faint radish
there are more female college graduates than men, is that a result of systemic oppression?
blazing junco
Idunno lol
weary lake
I mean, at that point you could try to make all fields equal, too few men in education, introduce a men-only education scholarship
urban vector
in what country aren't women facing some form of oppression?
blazing junco
I'm not saying they're not facing oppression in general wut
I'm talking about in STEM fields and how they're educated and what fields they go in
urban vector
and besides, yes - it is a direct result and symptom of this systematic oppression that drives women away from traditionally male dominated fields
weary lake
Well, engineering only seemingly, cause natural sciences and math is female-dominated
blazing junco
Yeah
weary lake
Out of the STEM fields then
blazing junco
Only engineering out of the STEM fields is male dominated according to that data.
But these programs cry out that STEM is male-dominated, which isn't true
near glen
it is if you compare everything?
urban vector
do you have any examples of these programs
dusky raft
men and women do gravitate towards different occupations. Hell, you can take a look at voctech schools in general and see where interests are.
health/cosmetic classes feature more women/men compared to something like automotive/IT.
urban vector
and the answer is the same systematic oppression or the patriarchy or toxic masculinity or whatever you want to call it - as mini said, society actively pushes people away from participating in certain industries
mystic ermine
I mean, society is part of it, but, individual choice is part of it too
near glen
yeah for sure, such programs are just making sure you know its a choice
mystic ermine
Wasn't it like switzerland who was rated to be one of the most "equal" countries, and their gender workplace "bias" is worse than anywhere else
dusky raft
it is choice, hell, the girls I went to class for IT were more focused on digital graphics than programming.
mystic ermine
The issue with the whole "women first" stuff is that it pushes everybody else down
Like, I walked around my college campus once and practically couldn't look anywhere without seeing some women only scolarship for something
urban vector
it would be easy if that was true cat, but many studies show that scholarships/etc absolutely help to even the gap
mystic ermine
okay, not pushes everybody down, but it's sorta like the hot new trend which leaves us council estaters often stuck in the mud
urban vector
if these scholarships replace those for underprivileged kids, which isn't really the case as far as ive seen
but then it's not an X or Y problem, you can have both and picking one over the other is obviously and absolutely wrong, depending on your student breakdown/accessibility/etc
mystic ermine
at least for me on my campus, it looked like the women in stem stuff replaced the advertising for the underprivilaged peeps
I mean, I encourage women in the field and would love to see more, (and our industry is far too full of people who should of never left the basement)
One thing I hope from our generation is that we do better than our parents
dusky raft
honestly, I dont think its the STEM field overall id be pushing towards, but more so voctech
which encompasses FAR more than just STEM
mystic ermine
I think that college is far too late for it
Like, lets face it, our parents taught us what was for boys and girls early on
mystic ermine
Like, there is a fairly well established bias that men and women tend to gravitate towards certain aspects, and, we 100% should support and encourage those who go against that, but, it's there, and even in the most "free", diverse and open country that is still the case
But, I mean, as I've said before, schools have been cutting out the stupid stuff like wood tech
molten forge
sez u cat, spending 6months making a wooden box was the peak of secondary school .
mystic ermine
How long ago was that for you? ๐
Coz, I did the same, but, our school had issues tryna keep a D&T teacher in the place, almost every year we had a new one
molten forge
like 6 years ago what are you tryna say 
mystic ermine
last I knew the school ended up cutting it out
molten forge
we had 4 or 5 dt teachers
one of them was the deputy head though, her classes were always... interesting
dusky raft
what I am saying is that fields are completely ignored, plumbing or carpentry are sidelined when it comes to this whole diversity push
mystic ermine
The thing is that plumbing and carpentry are not something you go to university for
Like, it's only really the university heavy stuff which I see tryna pull people into it
Like, I argue that it's still more to score points rather than address the actual issues
dusky raft
no, which is a horrible setup here in the US, as we send what could be employer ready high school graduates to an expensive college system.
mystic ermine
Like, sure, you help some women get in, but, these are women who where often already gravitating there, and I support the idea of supporting them, but, I'd much rather see a wider support net cast
I mean, that's part of what I mean, it's just tryna push people through an expensive system, I wonder how many come with "promises" of a job once you're done, i.e. come work for us afterwards
celest urchin
no, which is a horrible setup here in the US, as we send what could be employer ...
ok facts though... esp csci lmao
mystic ermine
I mean, for me, this ties into the min wage discussion
celest urchin
like 90% of csci grads at univeristy of minnesota are brain dead tbh
unless they learned it on their own
mystic ermine
I mean, the argument against a min wage rise for many companies is that it would be a hefty hit on the company
dusky raft
college became a requirement because colleges said so. we should cut the flow of cash going towards colleges and start investing in the public school system towards vocations
mystic ermine
and, I think that governments in general, if they wanna bump min wage, should contribute towards smaller companies to help pull their wages up AND hire in apprentices in order to full the labour gap
It's literally a win win
dusky raft
hell, some companies value vocational certificates more than college degrees.
mystic ermine
Instead of investing billions into private companies to educate people, you invest into the country itself, so rather than ending up in some ivy league bank account to build a rock wall or some shit, it goes towards the people
dusky raft
@mystic ermine that is voctech in a nutshell, its pretty much tooling up apprentices
mystic ermine
I think that in the UK there are pretty much programs which do more or less what I stated
you practically get a free worker more or less
dusky raft
sadly we have a college lobby in the US that is willing to spend money to prevent that from happening
but yeah, I want to see colleges get defunded, money goes towards the public school system, and a stronger push towards trade occupations.
mystic ermine
it's kinda sad how blinded people are by the college system
dusky raft
that should drive college prices down to make it more affordable with less bullshit involved
mystic ermine
I mean, it's over-regulation and promised cash
Like, uni's know that they can bump the fee up every year, and so they do
and they have stupid administration costs to keep all the books and shit in place
dusky raft
its also the US government giving people money without consideration of the risk
most college debt in the US is owned by the board of education
mystic ermine
God, I remember watching somebody tryna grill the banks over student loans, and they where just like, "We've not handled student loans in 10 years, that was y'all"
dusky raft
prices go up because the US government keeps adding to the pool
mystic ermine
yea, it's as I say, the free every growing money pot of the US government
and uni's know that so long as they keep the government happy, FREE CASH!
shit like rock walls
I get it, they're nice to have, and having excersice facilities and shit, can't go wrong
dusky raft
nevermind colleges triple dip into cash
you have tuition, government grants, and alumni who fund the college
mystic ermine
But, it's crazy, I've seen some college advertisements from the US and their campus looks like a fucking hotel spa
dusky raft
it is a fucking daycare/spa rolled into one
I cannot believe this college I toured had a fucking buffet better than most restaurants ive been to
pizza, asian noodles, steak, etc...
"free" for college students
mystic ermine
to be fair, when you're paying so fucking much to go there these days, am surprised they don't include a flat
dusky raft
I remember in one tour I was told freshmen were required to dorm for a year
celest urchin
I remember in one tour I was told freshmen were required to dorm for a year
lol i hate that shit
dusky raft
the freshmen dorms were disgusting
dusky raft
to be honest, at this point, we should be funding more nightclubs than college
kept hearing how good the parties were during freshmen year, and I was like, what about the learning experience?
mystic ermine
at least over here freshman year is basically a "take the piss year"
doesn't count towards your final grade, so, so long as you make it through
dusky raft
they toured almost everywhere of value but not the classrooms or hallways
mystic ermine
Yea, cos the classrooms are shit compared to the facilities
It's the big selling point these days
I mean, that's the horrors, people are pushed out into thinking that as soon as they leave school they gotta do something
And, well, many people just rush to line up a college once they're done because it's the "promised route"
pure jetty
or maybe we could improve the public school system
shut vine
Not all systems work well that way, it's not really an apples to apples comparison. I would expect similar results economically if done correctly. The problem is you always still need government involvement in education.
You'd either need to implement a system whereby the private schools get funding based on individual improvement (government involvement), and probably a provided curriculum framework (government involvement).
pure jetty
what happens if a school doesn't want to provide schooling to remote areas because they're not profitable
shut vine
Can you share an example of any country that does this?
Sorry, those are not examples. Those countries are examples of countries without compulsory education.
pure jetty
how would you profit off a school in upper Alaska with a population of like 20 kids
dusky raft
would a public school even exist?
shut vine
I think my point was relatively clear.
PNG also has the lowest literacy rate in Oceania by the way.
dusky raft
this is why I like a voucher system more often, as it ties the cash to the child
pure jetty
where is the money coming from
shut vine
Allegedly investors and banks.
pure jetty
what is the investment
shut vine
You know, when you invest money, you expect to get something for your investment.
pure jetty
^
shut vine
Basic economics
pure jetty
no I do
you don't
where is the school going to get the money to give back to investors
so people would have to pay for schools now?
so what happens to poor people
dusky raft
investment can be cash/goods, however, in an education environment, cash is a net loss because the only goods coming out would be workers (in a voctech) or research (college)
and both worker/research still isnt a good investment as its volatile
pure jetty
what happens if you're an orphan
shut vine
You have to fix the vertical mobility barriers that have been created first.
pure jetty
so who will pay for orphan's education
or does your system make education not required as well?
dusky raft
@shy gulch your reasoning is flawed in terms of how your planning on investing. I am in favor of school choice, but the only investors would be tax payers
shut vine
Also my question is why are the investors needed if the school fees will be profitable?
I mean for getting a school started sure
But after that?
dusky raft
but something like banks and companies wont see a net benefit unless said school works with their products, like cisco/microsoft
pure jetty
lmfao
loud flax
well I did go through home school up till 4th grade and then went to private school from 5th to 8th grade, and that tops off my home/private schooling
i'd like to think so in some areas yeah
shut vine
The home schooling still had government involvement though.
loud flax
uh, when our government struggles with outdated tech, it shows me that they're quite adept /s to change
shut vine
Yeah I agree
Government is inefficient as hell, just think education is too important for them not be involved to some degree
Well big government is particularly inefficient
pure jetty
you're right in a sense because market signals are going to be faster than government
but it's a worthy tradeoff in some areas
shut vine
You're free to go and start your own anarchist country, become prominent enough to be recognized since your system is so great btw
pure jetty
how are market signals going to respond to private schools
going to a different town isn't a valid choice
shut vine
No one requires you to use the economic system your current country provides
If you don't want a government, just don't use it, make your own system
There's a difference though, you're advocating for no government
Your position is literally, public schools inefficient, tear down that system.. all governments are inherently inefficient.
Not really, if you think you should not have a government, that's anarchism
Which means you don't want a government
Completely different to wanting a policy change
You're conflating things that are not equal
pure jetty
it's not politically possible nor is it popular
loud flax
problem is i don't believe any country can subsist very well without a government. I'd be afraid to live in a country like that tbh
shut vine
No, if your policy has a "get rid of government" idea, then you basically have to form your own by definition.
It's inevitable
Reducing government involvement is not the same as abolishing it all together
Conflating those things is a fallacy argument
dusky raft
in america, good luck
shut vine
Yet, most people live in a Democracy, where that idea is a minority opinion
Well most in the developed world
loud flax
@shy gulch do you think you could reform sports with small changes here and there to eventually eliminate the need for referees?
shut vine
I think small government involvement will, not no government involvement
Ah yea, in his government system I can take matters into my own hands when I disagree with his ideas
loud flax
i mean, to even get to a level of coherence when it comes to a country, at least lets scale back to a form of entertainment that has far less responsibility, entertaining people through sports. See I don't even think that's possible, so your idea of a country without a government seems even less likely
do you have any examples of this working @shy gulch ?
the point i wanted to make is that people need accountability and without that, the system can easily collapse
shut vine
Either way, in your gradual approach, there is easily room to move towards an education system that is privately organized and publicly funded.
I agree with that particularly, less government in most areas is generally favorable.
I think education is something essential to a productive society, part of that is compulsory education and public funding for those less fortunate.
tough cedar
abolishing public schools entirely kek haven't seen that one before
shut vine
I think many countries go too far in providing grants for people who want further education. It's for societies benefit when you give them to people who can't afford it but show they are dedicated and have the aptitude for it, but otherwise it's not a wise way to spend money.
tough cedar
yea, that's what i thought reading through the messages to catch up
tough cedar
i don't think he was debating you
shut vine
That's a false quote btw.
tough cedar
sorry, mb he wasn't debating you, that was his first message
dark crystal
"I have never said most of the stuff that people supposedly quote from me." - Albert Einstein
warm ibex
โdonโt trust quotes on the internet just because thereโs some text and the picture of a person next to itโ - abraham lincoln
restive seal
I think many countries go too far in providing grants for people who want furthe...
Can you point to studies showing where the age cutoff is for investment in education having a good return?
Like i all the time see stuff talking about how investing in education at the lower age levels works out to great societal benefit but I don't know where that ends
brisk cradle
I missed this but RIP Mike Gravel - he died 2 days ago. He was a joke candidate in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary and was an epic source of socialist memes.
shut vine
Yeah fair question, you seem to be acknowledging there would most likely be a gradual reduction in the ability for someone to get benefit from education though? i.e. amount of knowledge effectively retained slowly drops off as you age, etc.
brisk cradle
Oh, and of course, a former Democratic Alaskan senator.
shut vine
He was pretty old right? About 90 if memory serves.
brisk cradle
yes
shut vine
Pretty sure he's served for most of his life. Hope he passed peacefully.
kindred crown
I'm SO happy PaperMC is supportive of gay and trans rights. Very brave.
pure jetty
good!
restive seal
Yeah fair question, you seem to be acknowledging there would most likely be a gr...
I don't know. It could. It could not. I want data.
shut vine
Sure that's fine, think it's important we agree on that premise before continuing, otherwise there is not likely any point. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0137260
foggy fern
Haven't opened those yet but I'm going to guess the cutoff is around 25
shut vine
I also think it's probably imperative that the full details of my opinion are made clear rather than a passing abstract thought. I don't believe the tax payer or tax payer funds should be paying for optional tuition (post K-12, which should be tax payer funded) of someone who wishes to study for a job they have low proven aptitude for, or for an area where there is not demand for unless they are exceptional. The distinction for me is a high paying job is far less essential than having a basic education when it comes to being a functioning member of society.
I do however think we have to encourage people to take jobs that there is a demand for, and it's an essential societal function to assist those without the fiscal ability but with the technical ability to learn particular occupations. One way that can be done is by giving individuals grants, and people with proven aptitude should be given priority.
foggy fern
Interesting, the human study shows no difference in learning a new task for different ages
shut vine
Yeah, that first study shows at 25, we learn at the same rate as 65's.
foggy fern
The rat study looking at how the brain is functioning shows problems unlearning outdated or wrong things as you get older
shut vine
I didn't cherry pick the data.
I'm trying to find a study that compares ~5-10 and 25, but doing so without biasing the search results is proving difficult
foggy fern
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004Natur.429..883L/abstract seems to suggest neuroplasticity is reduced starting around age 40
shut vine
This suggest acquisition of new non-derivable skills is best before adolescence.
Search term: study learning between 10 year olds and 25 year olds
Theoretically if all of those were accurate, that would suggest that before adolescence is the ages where it's critical the government ensure children get an education for their effective development (i.e. there is a very short time limit where a person cannot reasonably be expected to handle this on their own). During adolescence and adulthood is much more forgiving.
That being said I'd probably argue there are behavioral elements that are important to be taught in adolescence. That's based on data from about 400,000 students in Australia, though I'd argue it probably applies in most countries.
loud flax
there are enough politicians in the US who are probably brain damaged /s
restive seal
Thanks for info. Will have to check out later :)
pure jetty
i mean gravel institute is true to spreading socialist ideals
but they are no anti-prageru
even if they claim to be
they won't win over moderates by spreading a totally other extreme ideology
brisk cradle
Would you say the same about Rupert Murdoch? The founders of OANN?
So the Gravel Institute is a "propaganda organization" but OANN is somehow less so? You are being pretty contradictory.
warm ibex
gravel institute has some bad videos
pure jetty
most of them are pretty yikes
brisk cradle
I'm putting aside whether or not the Gravel Institute videos are any good.
brisk cradle
This is demonstrably false. OANN spews out red meat nonsense.
Granted, the Gravel Institute does the same thing, just left-wing nonsense.
I'm putting my own political beliefs to the side here.
Again, contradicting yourself there
You say in one breath "some of the claims are accurate", then in the next "a lot of the claims are accurate"
Of course I am. I'm allowed to point out logical contradictions.
they are like 100x better than gravel institute
Alright, now this is just subjective. I've already pretty much told you that they are effectively on the same scale, but with completely different political leanings. At this point, you're just saying "I love the bullshit I'm getting fed" and your reason for it is because the other side's bullshit smells a little bit worse. Again, my personal political beliefs are put off to the side here - the point is to demonstrate how vapid your argument is.
You even hinted at that - I'm not just pulling this out of my ass and hoping it sticks.
pure jetty
sure 
brisk cradle
Again, you're being merely subjective. I've had my fill of those kinds of videos to know I'd like to not have them in my life, whether it's from a left-wing or a right-wing perspective.
Or heck, even a centrist perspective.
So this pretty much confirms what I already suspected. Your opinion on the video hinges entirely on the political views expressed and nothing else.
Well, what did I expect? It's 2021, everyone wants their 5 seconds of attention, and people's attention spans have shortened accordingly.
Actually, I am an anarchist.
But I vote social democratic as I don't think I'll ever realize anarchism in my life.
Basically, while I'd really like to have the state go away and have it replaced with local unions working together (and thus abolishing capitalism), right now I'll be happy with UBI, free college, and universal health care.
Anarchism is a left-wing political belief, indeed. Anarcho-capitalism is the capitalist structure taken to its most logical extreme, and I don't consider it a form of anarchism at all.
Enlighten me, an anarchist, on what anarchism is.
shut vine
I think it's important to recognize the contribution to society he made even though I don't agree with his ideas.
He still served the American public for a good 60+ years.
brisk cradle
anarchism means the abolition of government
(Roughly) correct. What matters is what replaces the government.
it's a far right extreme
Incorrect.
Any investigation into the history of socialism will find it incompatible with anarchism
You would be shocked at the huge number of anarchist ideological systems that are in fact socialist.
socialism involves a government planned economy, that can't co-exist with no government
The existence of socialist anarchist ideologies disproves this. You are referring perhaps to highly centralized authoritarian socialist systems like Marxism-Leninism or Maoism, which (shocker) are not anarchist ideologies.
This is a common trap to fall into, seeing as you've been trained in the right-wing American political sphere, which is very black-and-white, assuming socialism is a government takeover of everything, and capitalism provides you liberty.
None of that black-and-white belief is true.
If you have to resort to Hitler to make the argument, you've failed catastrophically.
shut vine
Radical leftists like comparing people to Hitler a lot too, which is just as disgusting as what you just did.
Comparing people to Hitler that did not do anything near what Hitler did is despicable, it minimizes the evil that he spread throughout Germany and the World.
brisk cradle
shut vine
I didn't say it did.
You seem to conflate me recognizing someone for their service and saying they are a net-good.
Which is not the case.
brisk cradle
See. Let me try it. We should thank Comrade Stalin for his 30 years of service to the Soviet Union.
Same issues.
I did that to make a point. Stalin was a repressive, authoritarian tyrant who killed many Ukrainians in the Holodomor.
shut vine
Yep, Stalin would be a more reasonable comparison, so would Xi.
They were a net-evil, either way.
brisk cradle
Again, picking back up from the very beginning.
Seeing as you've been trained in the right-wing American political sphere, they view political ideology on a very narrow, black-and-white political spectrum, assuming socialism is a government takeover of everything (bad), and capitalism provides you liberty (good). Of course none of this is true.
shut vine
Very accurate, and works vice versa. Well accurate that it's not black and white, I tend to view American politics as heavily polarized by both aisles.
brisk cradle
The right-wing American political spectrum takes comparatively moderate social-democratic politicians and lumps them in a category shared by people like Stalin and Mao. There are very important differences between social democracy, the many flavors of anarchism, and authoritarian socialism.
No, it is completely accurate.
Okay, so what do you think about Bernie Sanders?
Be honest.
If you had to place him on the political spectrum, where would he be?
This does prove my point
Anyway, so what points did you make that I missed?
I have to go to bed soon.
So you proved my point again. And for the record, Bernie Sanders doesn't advocate for a wholesale government takeover of the entire economy.
shut vine
He's actually in prime position to force some policy change.
Will be interesting to see if he grows a backbone and does it.
brisk cradle
I think we've managed to far divorce ourselves from the original discussion and trying to work from first principles.
This is unproductive. And while I am pretty sleepy, I'm not 100% sure I misinterpreted your words - instead you changed from being overtly black and white to trying to be more sophisticated.
The point I was trying to make was that PragerU, OANN, Gravel Institute, ... are truly no better than each other, they're in the same slimy business but have completely different ideologies to promote.
I think that point was pretty thoroughly made.
tough cedar
do you favor them because they're actually more correct or because they reinforce your beliefs
brisk cradle
Well, I guess two of them have bullshit that stinks 2% less and it's an ideology you like, so ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
shut vine
I skimmed what you both said, and I tend to agree you inferred from what he said what he meant.. I think the conversation diverged from the actual point you both started on.
I may have missed something, however.
tough cedar
i'd say it's pretty exclusive but w/e
brisk cradle
Good night. Don't start a flame war while I'm asleep.
shut vine
I do agree about subjectiveness however.
Both tend to have opinions about policy more than they do facts, but that's the nature of political opinion, it's all relatively subjective.
I can't really comment on which does so more, I have not watched a reasonable portion of either channels videos.
tough cedar
i don't know anything about the gravel institute, didn't even know it existed before tonight lol
shut vine
I've seen a few of their videos, maybe 4 or 5, same for PragerU.
I don't think arguing about which is more biased is very productive, objectivity has been heavily diminished in the internet age.
Not that it ever existed, human condition and all - just meant proportionally.
foggy fern
Um...
near glen
yeah was about to say
but its not worth arguing with a troll
they created that discord account just to post that
foggy fern
Seems like USSR was basically 20 years behind but they start and end at about the same place
pure jetty
talk about a BASED ass bill
near glen
was wrong with investments in public transit?
is that why the US has so good health care? ๐
foggy fern
"bipartisan"
pure jetty
i mean they're not wrong that the public sector cannot respond to market signals as fast as the private sector
foggy fern
I bet they still don't get any Rs to vote for it in the end
pure jetty
but public services don't need to be efficient in certain cases
foggy fern
The commission for investigating the Jan 6 attack was also a bipartisan bill that no R ended up voting for
glossy sandal
Republicans were all for it until the big man said no
pure jetty
especially since its starting in the senate with getting republican support
but republicans get jobs for their voters
that's always a good thing for them
near glen
strange how it works elsewhere
restive seal
I bet they still don't get any Rs to vote for it in the end
We learned our lesson, surely, with ACA?
R will negotiate to get it more as they want, then not vote for it
near glen
there are no wait times here
thats such a dum myth
and like, that would just mean that more people use medical services, which is good since it leads to a healthier population
pure jetty
NHS is probably the worst example of EU healthcare
near glen
and if you go early and detect stuff, its way cheaper to treat
pure jetty
and the only thing politically possible in the US is a public option
anything else is a waste of time
potent sun
there are no wait times here
Thats true in the Netherlands.
But it gets more expensive by the year. Because its not free. ๐
mystic ermine
We have news reports practically almost every year of a few hospitals in the UK calling whatever color code it was to say that they're over-filled to the point that it may put lives at danger
We have a census every 10 years which is what they often use to determine resources needed in an area, and by the time they've built anything it's time for the next censes and the population has changed since then, so we're back to stage 1
part of the horror of the NHS is that it was designed to be horrifically efficent to the degrees that when you let government after government basically hardly look after it it all goes to shit fast
NHS is under funded, under staffed, under provisioned
some aspects of bringing in private companies to take over roles the NHS itself used to directly provide has helped a good chunk in some ways, e.g. a few years ago, even a GP appointment was often a week wait
near glen
when I need a GP appointment I call in the morning and they tell me when to come in, on the same day
then I might have to wait up to 30 minutes there depending how busy it is
mystic ermine
same day is reserved for emergencies pretty much
sometimes they'll get some spaces left for last minute bookings but, you've gotta be up at like 6am to get those
for routine stuff, the NHS is kinda okay, depends on the doctors you get sometimes which can often be a headache, but, such is the typical joys of doctors
near glen
well, emergencies as in, I feel sick
if I just want a checkup they schedule a proper appointment
mystic ermine
but, my mate waited like 6-10 months to get some end of the line treatment for something, bearing in mind that she'd already had a skin graft and such because of the issues she was having
as well as her mother dying last year in part due to everything being shut down from cancer
near glen
specialist is a bit more iffy, you gotta wait a few weeks depending on what kind and where you live
foggy fern
Wait so you're for strong anti-trust regulation?
Government should effectively put a cap on how big a company can be and if they go past that point they get broken up?
You get more sellers by making the current sellers split up in to more sellers ๐
foggy fern
Oh, so they're a joke
Alternatively, they say what libertarians are afraid to even think although they have the same beliefs
But libertarians are also a joke so same difference
I think libertarians are lying to themselves to try to not be ancaps
They either aren't actually libertarians or don't want to accept what their beliefs mean
dark crystal
perhaps the "inefficiency" comes from the fact that there's corruption going on behind the curtains?
which is a problem that's to be tackled on differently, rather than just "hand everything over to the private sector"
foggy fern
I talk to them all the time
They all put arbitrary cutoffs on where their beliefs don't make sense anymore because obviously we need this or that government service or regulation
warm ibex
Way to not be condescending
foggy fern
I understand they're putting arbitrary limits on their belief but without those it's the same as ancaps
They don't have a coherent philosophy, they're just ancaps afraid to go all in
They've failed to explain it then
I feel like this conversation isn't going to go anywhere productive
I'm in the middle of trying to debug a dead azure deploy and you aren't linking anything to change my mind anyway, just saying "nuh uh, they are so different"
So yeah, have fun
I've already explained I believe those are just arbitrary cutoffs
They don't have a sound reasoning that could let everyone get to the same conclusion on any given question as them
They just decide whether or not this feels like something government should do or not
That cutoff is arbitrary is the problem
Well, no, the difference between a progressive and a socialist you could argue is just progressive have an arbitrary cutoff on what government shouldn't do
But conservative vs progressive vs libertarian all have more fundamental differences from each other
I mean, these days...
loud flax
i don't know much about what you guys are talking about but I think it would be fitting to acknowledge the privilege you have to air your views of such a position, don't know if people ever talk about that really
like try talking to antifa about anything other than what their beliefs and positions are, lol
simple prairie
brisk cradle
I shed no tears for this man https://apple.news/AAPdpeTjCRGeTIYl9_m829g
He is a war criminal
dusky raft
ye, war hawk bent on extracting oil
mystic ermine
faint radish
Wow, Cosby was released from prison. Conviction overturned.
I havenโt looked yet, but I HOPE a very specific someone, who also had a run in with the justice system, weighed in on thisโฆ
Damn, he hasnโt said anything ๐
pure jetty
The grounds for returning his conviction it was because he had perceived immunity
faint radish
If the gov overreached, or went back on a deal, or anything, Iโm all for overturning the conviction. Not giving the government any leeway if they mess something up.
weary lake
Please keep this channel for actual politics, not a random reddit post
pure jetty
classic EU
idk why the DOJ but their logo on the thing lmfao
I don't know any US laws that would allow that
near glen
Well, EU is just like the US
You just play the national security card and anything goes
loud flax
i have a sour taste for VPN advertising tbh, but for me there's a specific reason why
loud flax
well, back when I had a more simplistic site with a cbox someone attacked it using a myriad of VPNs so they come back when I ban one IP, then another, etc.,. ended up calling up a couple of the companies behind the IPs but they couldn't do anything as nothing was logged
near glen
Sue the company then
If they are attacking you, and they can't tell you who it is, they are responsible for the attack, as simple as that
That's why every single big VPN logs
Else they would be in the hook for child porn shit
So maybe this site was one of the few that doesn't log and thus criminal?
loud flax
well the point of a VPN is anonymity so the company logging anything sounds like defeating the purpose of a VPN, but then again I'd at least assume the company is logging something on their end
this was 3 years ago about
near glen
Anonymity is way to dangerous, governments can't let that exist or they loose power
As simple as that
loud flax
depends on the scope i imagine
would a place like 4chan's /b/ be permissible in europe given your laws?
near glen
We got laws for platforms. If hate crimes are exercised there, the content has to be removed within 24h after notification
Not sure if we mandate a way to get access to the individual
I would assume so?
Then again, so does the US
They just wave a national security letter at you
pure jetty
Else they would be in the hook for child porn shit
that's not true
230 would likely apply iirc
near glen
Not for federal crimes
near glen
Today in: copyright laws are horribly broken: https://twitter.com/APTPaction/status/1410633647670005760?s=19
loud flax
i hope that doesn't set a precedent
well if anything it'll expose holes, which is hopefully always a good thing
COVID-19 certainly did that
near glen
Fun fact: in germany you could argue what the cop made is not legal: he didn't pay the GEMA, the copyright mafia firm that handles licences here, for this public screening of Taylor swift music
pure jetty
couldn't you literally post it on youtube
or does taylor swift not do rev share and requests videos gets blocked
plush crypt
yeh you can post, it'll just force ads and all money go to her or something
which tbf isn't a bad thing. exposing cops to pay a queen 
near glen
Depending on how you have it setup they are unavailable in at least some countries
shut vine
Not entirely accurate, if you post a video with copyrighted content there is a chance you'll get a copyright strike too. Think it's 3 of those and you channel is removed.
steady furnace
So leave those ppl alone, they have problems enough, no need to throw them into ...
Maybe to bring in some insight of someone who lives in the CR... First of all I am very ashamed (and I think I am not alone) of our president. To be honest I don't have a stomach to listen his speeches, because they are usually full of hate and are mostly nonsense. The main task of Czech president is to represent and unite and our president unfortunately does neither of those two. But that doesn't mean all Czech people are same as him. Unfortunately he is our representative and this creates the wrong picture about our nation. I don't blame you for thinking so, if I saw it from outside, I would probably have the same opinion as you have. So I just wanted to make things clear, most of Czech people are not like our president.
near glen
Oh am very aware that this isn't the believe of everyone
But since those ppl are president, they have or had at least some kinda of majority behind them
steady furnace
You are absolutely right, we have president elected by people, so in the end in second round he got more than 50% votes (that is about third of all people eligible to elect). Unfortunately his oponent was a novice in politics and Zeman is very experienced in politics (as he was in government in 90s). That's why many people voted him as "smaller evil" or because he is experienced, needed to say, this was three years ago.
But I would lie if I said that all Czech people are saints. There are still some people who hate other people based on their race/gender/nation/religion/.... But I really hope this is minority...
Fortunately his presidency ends in less than two years and he cannot be reelected this time... Only thing I am afraid of is that there might be someone worse... :( https://zemancountdown.cz/ - if you want to keep track...
foggy fern
In April, Amazon announced it would reduce the amount it paid for drivers from $17.25 to $16.00 an hour, according to the letter...Weeks later, Amazon announced a series of raises for its drivers around the country as part of a public relations push following a union drive at an Amazon warehouse.
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
Apparently Amazon delivery drivers are expected to deliver 3.5 times as many packages as the average UPS driver
tough cedar
damn lol
foggy fern
Sorry, "Amazon" delivery drivers
tough cedar
I don't even know how you could do 3.5x as much as a UPS driver unless all the packages are small
foggy fern
Technically they're a third party but the company gets startup capital from Amazon, Amazon buys their vehicles, and they're only allowed to do business with Amazon (because their vehicles and uniforms say Amazon on them)
Amazon doesn't own their vehicles, it just buys them as a part of the startup capital
Probably has a bond on them or something though so when one company goes under they can seize them and hand them off to the next sucker who wants to start a delivery business
So Amazon is their only customer, Amazon controls what routes they have (and this can change daily), and Amazon controls their pay
But the company is responsible for vehicle maintenance, HR, insurance, etc as well as being held responsible and having to pay Amazon a fee for every package that gets damaged or lost
foggy fern
btw 400 packages a day on a 10 hour shift means 90 seconds per package
glossy sandal
I've never seen amazon drivers in my city always been through FedEx or ups
I didnt read what amaranth said till now cuz it was too long
faint radish
So if marijuana can be performance enhancing, or a masking drug, then itโs just tragic. But if WADA only bans it cause โitโs bad for youโ or smth else, then itโs stupid
foggy fern
I don't think anyone would consider it performance enhancing
Unless there was an eating competition or a lounging one ๐
faint radish
WADA says in some disciplines based on studies and interviews, it can be performance enhancing.
Cannabis smoking can be helpful for some activities such as extreme sports, as it improves muscle relaxation, reduces anxiety, and extincts fear memories (e.g., negative experiences) leading to enhanced performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3654312/
shut vine
So *if* marijuana can be performance enhancing, or a masking drug, then itโs jus...
Tetrahydrocannabinol is on their banned substances list, it's not stupid she was banned, it's potentially stupid it's on the list.
faint radish
yes, that's what I think as well.
I see a lot of people/articles mentioning that weed is legal in a bunch of states now, seemingly to make it sound dumb that they are testing for it in athletes, but this isn't about legality at all. totally legal to smoke weed in oregon, it just isn't OK with the rules all the world's athletes have to follow.
restive seal
What has he done to make job growth decline?
glossy sandal
The impacts that aren't there cuz djt isnt in office?
restive seal
Ah, so... what... 50 permanent jobs lost?
So... people might not lose their homes now? Neat.
See above on not losing homes. Yay!
glossy sandal
Oh you mean the unemployment program that's been around for decades?
How does low income equate to people who dont work
restive seal
Your phrasing of "made it worse" made it sound like the things done were a bad thing, lol
near glen
You got no fucking clue what you talking about, lol
restive seal
That's the most hilariously privileged statement I've seen on here in days. Congratulations!
near glen
Hard working doesn't give you more money
Heck, Managers don't work shit and they get the most money
restive seal
And that's the second most! Good job.
near glen
Musk is a privileged lunatic and you can't compare yourself to that
Also: not everybody is an entrepreneur
It would be illegal for me to work 80 hours ๐
Again, that is in no way representative of the average American
No i don't know why you brining up musk
No
That's bullshit
That's not how this works
You can't just work hard and stuff happens magically
tough cedar
not everyone can be a musk
near glen
Musk got where he is because he is a good engineer and he had good ideas at the right time
But what you gonna tell to the thousands of ppl that work for musk?
Should they work 100 hours a week
Or the Amazon delivery drivers?
tough cedar
yea, sure just work harder and you can be musk lol
companies are a pyramid, less and less people can get to the top
near glen
There is no rank to climb for an Amazon delivery driver
tough cedar
so how can everyone get to the top if they work hard?
near glen
Well, education isn't free in the US
Musk had a very good education
So back to the fact that he's privileged
tough cedar
so do you believe in a proper minimum wage then?
near glen
A kid should work to get education??
This is just not how this works
Without government help, there is no way we can break the poverty cycle
Its starts so much earlier, lol
No they don't
tough cedar
no they don't
near glen
Economist don't agree on anything ever
tough cedar
good luck trying to go to college on our minimum wage jobs lmao
near glen
Well, you will grow up eventually
restive seal
Have you perhaps read Atlas Shrugged?
near glen
I made plenty of good decisions and am in a very good spot in life, thank you for your concern
But if you think everybody can or should be an Elon musk, you need to grow up and face the world
We don't even want everyone to be a musk, because for every musk you need tens of thousands of poor dudes working for him
I know how privileged I am
I was born in germany were education is free, so I was enabled to go to university, something my parents couldn't
tough cedar
how are you supposed to go to college on a part time job
with our minimum wage
lol
ok and what about the people that don't have that luxury?
like not being able to live with your parents while you achieve this goal already makes it even harder
near glen
If everybody would go to college american society would collapse, lmao
tough cedar
even if you can get loans
restive seal
I feel that you are coming from such a position of privilege that you don't realize how offensive or problematic some of the stuff you're saying comes across.
near glen
You need unqualified workers to do the actual work
So least we can do as society is to lake sure they all get a fair minimum wage
tough cedar
tiny tiny tiny tiny percent of people yea
near glen
Where is even this mentality coming from
Like what you are pretentious
Everybody who doesn't make it is lazy and doing drugs all day??
That attitude sickens me
tough cedar
i can totally get the appeal of just working retail for 30 years lol
i really liked it
it's just not feasible for me from an economic perspective though
near glen
And you should be able to make a living off of working retail
Because why shouldn't you
tough cedar
so here i am, going to school to get a programming job
yea, i wouldn't have been able to live off of that job working 60 hours a week there
ok how many people does a manager manage in retail do you think?
near glen
Dude not even 1% can do that
near glen
Thsts obviously not something the average dude can do
No that's not it
More ppl are willing but there are not enough jobs at that level
Idk why that is so hard to see
If everybody would be a manager, there would be nobody to manage, lmao
You suggesting everybody could when that's impossible
There will be always ppl stuck at the low level
So it's our duty as a society to make sure they can keep their kids fed
By having a fair minimum wage
I don't know how else to explain this, lmao
tough cedar
so how do you make life reasonable for the people that could but won't?
dark crystal
If all jobs are needed for society to function then all jobs should provide liveable wages (which many don't and render people into holding two or three jobs at once to survive). I don't see what's complicated in this.
near glen
These jobs literally aren't enough to get food
That's why we need a fair minimum wage
I feel like am talking to a fucking wall
dark crystal
Indeed very healthy
near glen
What the actual fuck
dark crystal
If all jobs are needed for society to function then all jobs should provide liveable wages (which many don't and render people into holding two or three jobs at once to survive). I don't see what's complicated in this.
near glen
Parents I guess
dark crystal
Or just plain selfishness
Yeah if the flow of the free market says you should be homeless then you should be homeless. Problem?
tough cedar
the logical conclusion if you're homeless is ur just lazy ecksdee
near glen
Yeah, they don't believe in god, they believe in the free market
Which is even more insane than believing in god
Cool story
dark crystal
Nowadays she has 7 sundays every week thanks to her Forex trades. Have you bought her course yet? /s
near glen
This is still not representative
Saying everybody who is poor is just lazy just makes you an asshole
Even if you find 1000 stories, that's nothing compared to the millions in line at food pantries
America has a poverty rate of 13.7%
Just FYI
This drug argument is stupid and has no statistical ground
Don't bring it up until you have proof
dark crystal
this guy passed at philosophy in 11th grade
But hey, what he means is that saying everybody who is poor is just lazy is insensitive of the thousands of people who are poor with no control over it. But hey, it's better to point out a logical fallacy or use some other fancy greek expression without trying to interpret further.
warm ibex
that's not an adhom
near glen
Do you actually know where the poverty line is in America?
Ok and do you know how much you would spend it you would try to life outside your parents house?
warm ibex
read your own article
dark crystal
lol i was about to say that
tough cedar
still no response to any of my messages ๐ฆ
near glen
By definition, if you are below the poverty threshold, that money isn't enough to make a living
But shouldn't my current full time job be enough to pay my bills?
near glen
If I work 40 hours plus a week, surely that should be enough to make a living
It doesn't even matter what job
If I work 40+ hours a week I should be able to survive on that
No matter the job
But a janitor should make enough to survive, surely?
tough cedar
and a vascular surgeon makes way more than a janitor lol
near glen
We not talking about everybody getting the same, this isn't communism
We talking about everybody getting enough to survive
daring locust
tough cedar
pretty much
STILL hasn't responded to literally any of my criticisms
just talkiing
dark crystal
Btw a janitor literally prevents diseases from spreading by cleaning things lmao isn't that important?
why the disregard towards that profession?
warm ibex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNdriP9kFiQ here you go
near glen
why the disregard towards that profession?
I think it's called elitism or better: being an asshole
daring locust
Everyone should be able to make a living.
vs
People that don't have a job are lazy and just use the money they get to buy drugs.
this just doesn't make sense to me, you saying that contradicts your own statements
dark crystal
But they prevent me from having allergy complications every time I enter a room. They are literally important for my health. Why can't they make enough to survive?
near glen
And you should be paid enough to make a living, cause you doing your job, your contribution to society
dark crystal
All jobs are needed, in a way or other
near glen
I just don't see any argument on why any giving person that works a full time job shouldn't make enough money to survive
But surely we can agree that the minimum somebody should get for a full time job should be enough to survive, right?
Experience doesn't matter
We talking about the literal minimum here
dark crystal
When they don't get enough to survive then it does matter. And why would it not matter in any case?
near glen
But the poor should make enough money to survive
I am not talking about removing the difference between being poor and rich
dark crystal
Survive off of instant noodles everyday? It's not really surviving if you end up dying due to malnutrition
near glen
Cause food pantries exist where ppl work for free to help ppl in need
Something the government should do
dark crystal
You literally suggested they can live out of noodles
tough cedar
everybody could != everybody will
Thonk โ Today at 6:02 PM
so how do you make life reasonable for the people that could but won't?
if you work hard in retail you can become manager and then become regional manager and go higher and higher
Thonk โ Today at 6:00 PM
ok how many people does a manager manage in retail do you think?
how will ALL those people become managers
see the problem?```
are you going to respond to this refreshment?It's not really surviving if you end up dying due to malnutrition
tough cedar
or are you just arguing in bad faith
near glen
Would you please just look at the stats please
"According to the USDA's latest Household Food Insecurity in the United States report, more than 35 million people in the United States experienced hunger in 2019. "
35 Million!
That's 3rd world level
America is the land of the free
You are free to experience hunger cause your full time job doesn't pay enough 
And minimum wage is Communism and thus literally worse than Hitler
If you think it's acceptable that 35 millions of your fellow American brothers and sister have to experience hunger I can't help you
I actually have had the privilege to travel to such countries, multiple times, have you?
glossy sandal
This guy trolling bro
near glen
You running circles, the work hard, 40+ hours a week
Still don't make enough to not hunger
As a german I can tell you Hitler was not a communist, he fought communists, lmao
near glen
No, anyone who ignores all arguments is a troll
tough cedar
must have me blocked then lel
near glen
"In Hitler's mind, communism was a major enemy of Germany, an enemy he often mentions in Mein Kampf. During the trial for his involvement in the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler claimed that his singular goal was to assist the German government in "fighting Marxism".[117] Marxism, Bolshevism, and communism were interchangeable terms for Hitler as evidenced by their use in Mein Kampf:"
To settle that bullshit
Don't ever claim again that Hitler was a communist, it's insulting
glossy sandal
Omfl
near glen
Yeah am out
tough cedar
ok go read mein kampf then and source it yourself
near glen
That page literally quotes Mein Kampf
glossy sandal
Socialism isnt communism
tough cedar
lol mises
miseshas a major right wing bias
near glen
Why do Americans always want to explain me how Nazis worked when I literally know pool that experienced it
warm ibex
didn't you just say wikipedia is left wing
tough cedar
please stop talking so i can go back to coding
you're distracting me from the important things
glossy sandal
Papermc politics debate channel for the insane
tough cedar
i can't look away
glossy sandal
Wikipeda can be edited literally by anyone and is reviewed by anyone
dark crystal
You just linked us to a wikipedia page when you wanted to educate us about Ad Hominem
not a good source?
near glen
I do know that, not sure what that has to do with hitler's political style being Communist
glossy sandal
Saying it's only left wing bias itself is wrong
tough cedar
ok mini, just source mein kampf next time that way you don't get the runaround for using wikipedia lol
warm ibex
very real quote you got there
dark crystal
did you know that national-socialist is not the same as socialist?
glossy sandal
They don't
dark crystal
I know, I know, it's a complex topic
you'll get it in no time, though
literally, you'll never understand it probably
at this rate
pure jetty
didn't hilter literally kill communists and socialists?
near glen
You know that Hitler said all kinds propaganda to get ppl to follow him? Right?
pure jetty
or no he purged them from civil service
near glen
I want proof that his actual actions were communist
dark crystal
thanks for the Facebook inspirational picture, now give us actual source for that quote
glossy sandal
near glen
What political systems did Hitler implement that makes him communist
glossy sandal
Before hitler then invaded them
near glen
Wat