I assume this is all liquid
#politics
faint radish
one of my fav tweets of this election cycle
Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads. The U.S. population is 327 million. He could have given each American $1 million and still have money left over. I feel like a $1 million check would be life-changing for most people. Yet he wasted it all on ads and STILL LOST
shy gulch
faint radish
https://twitter.com/iamscottenglish/status/1235806244817915904
and then brian williams talked about it...
not sure ive heard the term "broad" money
cosmic badge
according to the definition, it includes some non-liquid too
shy gulch
that tweet was surely a joke
faint radish
no it wasn't
but watch the video
even IF the tweet was, they didnt take it as one
which is even better
foggy fern
iirc one of the math youtubers did a video on why so many people keep making this mistake
cosmic badge
So, seems Trump is going to be impeached, again. Any bets on whether he'll be convicted?
cosmic badge
Damn
Still, would this make Trump the first president to be impeached twice? Not sure on impeachment history.
foggy fern
Yeah
Oh, and being convicted in the Senate doesn't mean being tried in federal court would be double jeopardy so without a pardon he could also face criminal charges for the same act
But only after he is out of office
cosmic badge
Yeah that makes sense, since one is a legislative process, the other is judicial
foggy fern
TIL congresspeople can expense a bulletproof vest
cosmic badge
Still gonna be disappointed if the Senate votes to acquit him again.
tough cedar
well, there will be like 3 months to convince senate republicans
foggy fern
3 months? Trial starts on either the 19th or 21st unless McConnell stalls
tough cedar
oh
i thought i read they were going to wait to send it to the senate for like 3 months
foggy fern
They aren't just starting the impeachment process tomorrow, they're finishing it
And Schumer is looking for ways to force the Senate back in session sooner so they can start the trial earlier
cosmic badge
Imagine being fired from your job on your last day of "retirement" so to speak
Rather, on the last day of office.
I doubt the Senate will do so, but still would be amusing if Trump couldn't even finish his term normally.
foggy fern
Huh, apparently Parler was just a wordpress frontend
They did one wordpress instance per user so all their data was separated and you'd have to find exploits in parler, wordpress, and the backing DB to jump from there to another user
I guess "echos" were just pingbacks then?
foggy fern
There goes Greenwald's claims that all of this was on Facebook and Twitter, not Parler
shy gulch
foggy fern
Eh, whatever
shy gulch
Can they at least accommodate my RRR lifestyle? and add a green trimester in the middle? I wanna be super green.
near glen
What we really need are modifiers to the emoji to add all kinda stuff to the salad
foggy fern
Please no, emoji is already stupidly complicated
shy gulch
Modifiables to emojiâs thatâs sick
foggy fern
That's already a thing, it's how skin tones and the family emoji work
shy gulch
Well adding more Options isnât a bad thing ;P
foggy fern
You can make a family out of men and women in several combinations with several skin tones and a variable number of children all with their own choice of skin tone
shy gulch
Different variants of Salads, Eggs, yâknow
Brown Egg, White Egg, Raw Steak, Seasoned, Well-done, over cooked / burnt
Optionalism is key to consumers
foggy fern
brisk cradle
I read that too. Absolute yikes. If her allegation is true then those members need to be expelled from Congress and not allowed to run again.
Needless to say, I think at least for the next 4 years we will see an explosion of right-wing violence and terrorism in the US. 1/6 was only a taste of what is to come.
brisk cradle
The Obama and Trump administrations let this fester, and now Pandoraâs box is opened.
foggy fern
The arguments from the Republicans on why impeachment shouldn't happen (it's going on right now) sounds a lot like an abusive spouse
You made me mad so I hit you, if you retaliate by getting me in trouble I'll beat you worse
Matt Gaetz compared an attempted coup to Pelosi tearing up a copy of a speech
Twitter
faint radish
looks like McConnell wont reconvene senate earlier than planned
so trial (if impeached) will take place after biden is inaugurated
brisk cradle
Twitter
And of course he had a loaded gun during 1/6.
America's new healthcare plan: OnlyFans for All https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/business/onlyfans-pandemic-users.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
Tapped out GoFundMe or can't get people to give a shit? Now you can do OnlyFans.
Biden almost tapped Bernie Sanders as Labor secretary?!?
Also, "an emergency universal health care program" was needed a long time ago. This is too little, too late.
Appointing Sanders into the Cabinet would have helped some progressive heartburn with Biden but given that Democrats had to rely on a special election in Georgia to barely win the Senate, Biden made a good strategic move.
foggy fern
near glen
is that surprising?
these are not some dumbos that stumbled themselves into the capitol
they knew exactly what they are doing
and, they knew the president was on their side
restive seal
Steny Hoyer's speech would be pretty impressive if played back at 1.5x or 2x speed.
foggy fern
Is he just burning up their last couple minutes?
Or is this their 5 minute conclusion or whatever after regular time expired
I was kind of tuning it out
faint radish
Is there gonna be 67 votes to convict in the senate? I donât think Iâve heard 17 Rs say yea.
restive seal
Is there gonna be 67 votes to convict in the senate? I donât think Iâve heard 17...
I suspect we won't hear until much closer if not until the vote itself.
foggy fern
Unclear, I think I heard something about a dozen that were possibilities even before the news about McConnell came out
restive seal
How today's vote goes will likely inform how the next may go
faint radish
Are they voting today? I thought there were just arguments today.
Senate wonât even start trial until the 19th
faint radish
But planning the protest isnât enough... they have to have been involved in planning the actual storming.
If you donât like that they planned a protest, thatâs a political question, and their constituencies can answer that.
raven hearth
If I was a repub in the Senate. I would keep quiet till the vote and stab trump in the back. (Why be harassed for so long before the vote)
faint radish
If they planned the storming, whole different ballgame.
foggy fern
If any of those 3 are also the ones that apparently were giving tours the day before that's a whole different thing
Someone should see if they can connect the dots
faint radish
Where is this giving tours stuff?
foggy fern
faint radish
I feel like I wouldâve gotten a news notif about it.
Wait, so this person saw someone leading some people through the building...
foggy fern
Too bad Congresspeople just rush past security with crowds of 50 people who don't get signed in or checked
faint radish
It couldâve been literally anything right?
foggy fern
So it'll be hard to say who was in the group unless someone has pictures
faint radish
Where does she pull âreconnaissanceâ from?
It couldâve been big donors getting a tour
foggy fern
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
faint radish
Yeah, gonna hold off on believing that
foggy fern
If Capitol Police were allowed to do their jobs we'd know who they were
But mostly likely the Congresspeople got them waved through with no record
(both sides do that, they think they're too important to deal with security)
Police at the doors are just expected to memorize all the Senators and Representatives and let them run by but apparently they regularly bring other people in and try to walk right through with them too. If they refuse to be stopped the police just wave them through and ask the relevant Sergeant at Arms to politely ask them to not do so again
foggy fern
In a followup she does at least say the tour was against Capitol procedures as of March 2020 (covid rules)
Too many people
The letter details observations by Sherrill and others who say they saw "visitors encountered by some of the members of Congress on this letter appeared to be associated with the rally at the White House the following day."
drifting arch
has the senate expressed an interest in going along with the impeachment?
foggy fern
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
drifting arch
who are these people "appointed for" other members
like those ppl just didnt wanna come so they told someone else to vote for them or what
faint radish
Maybe old, so they donât wanna get Covid? Idk
faint radish
Feinstein filed paperwork to run again for the senate in California in 2024. She will be 91 in 2024
drifting arch
but i can see covid being a reason regardless of age
faint radish
(Speaking of old)
faint radish
Apparently.
drifting arch
The age of some politicians does astound me tho lol
becoming president at age 78
wild
wow this guy has quite the accent
faint radish
Pelosi is pretty curt in her response...
I think itâs pretty clear she doesnât like AOC
foggy fern
They're sleeping in the Capitol until after the inauguration
drifting arch
what a moment in history
sand shale
They're sleeping in the Capitol until after the inauguration
who is "they"?
faint radish
The guys in the image
foggy fern
The plaque on the wall there is about the troops who were sleeping in the Capitol during the Civil War to defend it
This is National Guard
sand shale
Yea but who are they
ah
8 YEA from republicans so far
that's nice to see
even if there are 179 NAY
drifting arch
even if it passes house, it's gotta pass senate. i have a feeling they're going to block the fuck out of it
they better remove him but at minimum the impeachment needs to be put on record
only 11 votes left, it's passed the house
so senate đ come thru
foggy fern
That's it, Trump is impeached again
drifting arch
cant the senate throw it out?
foggy fern
They can acquit him, they can't reject the impeachment happened
drifting arch
ah ok
opaque prairie
yeah they could, but hes still impeached
foggy fern
impeachment doesn't really mean anything, it's like being charged with a crime
drifting arch
yea
foggy fern
Unless you're convicted it doesn't really matter
drifting arch
This would be the first time a president has ever been impeached twice right?
foggy fern
Yeah
brisk cradle
foggy fern
Fox is backing the story now too https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-believes-trump-committed-impeachable-offenses-supports-democrats-impeachment-efforts-report
brisk cradle
Oh, I didnât see the Interceptâs article that was linked. Anyway any Congressperson involved in this mess should be expelled.
faint radish
how involved?
foggy fern
My only problem is... it's the intercept
I grabbed it out of convenience but I'd normally want another source
faint radish
like I said earlier if they helped plan the protest, but didn't have anything to do with the riot that followed, why should they be punished?
foggy fern
I think you can get conspiracy charges even if you unknowingly assisted with it
It'd be shitty if so but I swear I've seen that mentioned somewhere
faint radish
there's that felony murder charge thing. If you let your friend borrow a car, then they use it as a getaway from a murder, you can be implicated
which is total BS imo, but its a thing somewhere
foggy fern
It's a thing at the federal level too, I'm pretty sure
Rep. Liz Cheney (WY)
Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (WA)
Rep. John Katko (NY)
Rep. Adam Kinzinger (IL)
Rep. Fred Upton (MI)
Rep. Dan Newhouse (WA)
Rep. Peter Meijer (MI)
Rep. Anthony Gonzalez (OH)
Rep. Tom Rice (SC)
Rep. David Valadao (CA)
Those are the 10 Rs that voted for it
shut vine
Burden of proof for conspiracy is pretty high by the letter of the law.
faint radish
Btw, Trump still keeps benefits even if convicted after he leaves office.
shut vine
You basically have to prove intent to conspire. Which means they have to prove they knew the crime was being committed, and that their actions would directly assist the crime taking place.
faint radish
In order for him to not be considered a âformer Presidentâ by the Former Presidents Act, he has to be âremovedâ by impeachment.
If he leaves cause Biden is inaugurated, he can never be removed by impeachment, so he keeps his former President status.
Which means he has protection, and a pension.
foggy fern
I bet that ends up in a lawsuit or an amended bill
If he actually got convicted which I'm still not sure he will
faint radish
Well it canât apply retroactively. That would be illegal as well iirc.
The language is pretty specific.
shut vine
It's entirely possible he's convicted before the inauguration, but very unlikely.
faint radish
As used in this section, the term âformer Presidentâ means a person
whose service in such office shall have terminated other than by removal pursuant to section 4 of article II of the Constitution of the United States of America;
foggy fern
You can't retroactively change pension benefits?
faint radish
âremoval pursuant to [impeachment]â
foggy fern
I know you can't retroactively make something a crime but that's not the same thing
faint radish
I donât think you can retroactively change legal definitions either...
foggy fern
When they want to grandfather existing people/situations in when they change something like that they do so explicitly
shut vine
Generally you can't, even if something is made no longer a crime for example or the definition changes, a judge must decide on an individual basis usually if a person is to be released.
foggy fern
You guys are both talking about crimes still though
faint radish
Crimes are just breaking a law... there isnât anything different about a crime.
foggy fern
This would be like saying you can't raise my taxes because you should have done that when I was born
faint radish
They are all laws
shut vine
It's like changing laws about a 501K
foggy fern
retroactively is the wrong term since that would imply they'd try to get back already spent funds
I don't see any reason they couldn't change the law so it doesn't apply to Trump as of 2022
They couldn't take back the 2021 pension though
I dunno, I guess I'll wait for someone to write about it or the LegalEagle dude to talk about it
I don't want to go digging through all that crap to try to parse it out đ
shut vine
He would also technically get the lifetime secret service detail that Obama brought back in.
faint radish
(if he qualifies for "former President" status)
faint radish
nah, lifetime protection was brought back in 2013
was set to 10 years after leaving before. was originally lifetime
shut vine
Yeah Clinton set it to 10 years, except for himself and past presidents
foggy fern
Ah, so only Bush was at risk of it
And hey look they explicitly grandfathered in people the 10 year change should apply to so it wouldn't take away something from them đ
shut vine
Not anymore
Obama gave it to him too
Yeah, so future INDIVIDUALS didn't get it, past ones all did
But currently any past president including Bush can have lifetime protection detail from the SS
shut vine
đ yes, it is
faint radish
i've done it before and while I typed it out I was like "umm.... bit odd"
"Can you grab me that USSR over there?"
"The what?"
"The Universal Solid State Relay. I need it."
"Ok class, now we are starting our own USSR initiative"(Uninterrupted Sustained Silent Reading)
shut vine
lol
near glen
Twitter
elder portal
tough cedar
wtf that's his best condemnation yet!
foggy fern
Why can't Trump ever just have one topic?
faint radish
Wdym
faint radish
Oh did he go on some âelection was riggedâ bs again?
foggy fern
He spend 4 minutes talking about being peaceful and such then slides in to talking about being banned from social media
tough cedar
he went on a bit about canceling and silencing from the media
faint radish
He shoots himself in the foot constantly. Lots of his policies are liked by a majority of Americans, he just cannot talk about them well.
Like the merit based immigration. 65% of country wants that, which is crazy high compared to some stuff. But he goes and says some stupid crap so thatâs what the media talks about.
foggy fern
If I had to guess I'd say Cipollone got him to make the video and that last minute was the compromise to get him to do it đ
faint radish
The economy pre-Covid was doing great. But every time the new jobs numbers came out, heâd say some unrelated crap and nobodyâs talk about it.
foggy fern
Pure merit-based immigration mostly means "only from other first world countries" which is my problem with it
If you want some large amount to work that way then sure, let's hash out the details on what merit means and how the points are scored
But all of it just shuts people out who might do something amazing if given a chance
Or, more likely, their kids might
faint radish
I wonder if the media will stop talking about Trump after heâs gone, or will they still just follow him around. Trump is a master in getting the story about him no matter what
shut vine
Realistically merit based immigration should be the implementation then if you were to go to a popular vote system.
faint radish
I could totally see him âtrollingâ the Biden administration like that.
foggy fern
No, that's the direct democracy system
faint radish
I could totally see him âtrollingâ the Biden administration like that.
Media would totally go for it.
foggy fern
Which I don't think anyone really wants
shut vine
I am talking about what the representative democracy should be voting for.
If you take away electoral college, the votes should end up being cast in favor of the most popular opinions.
foggy fern
Eh, representatives vote for/against what their constituents think they want all the time
They're the ones who are supposed to know if something really is good or not
If they go too far out of line and can't properly explain themselves they get voted out
But they shouldn't do/not do something just because their constituents say so
They do but they shouldn't
shut vine
I had about enough of Administrations "trolling" the incoming one after the previous "trolling".
faint radish
Also, abortion isnât a controversial issue if you look where the country stands. 60% say legal in first trimester, only 28% say legal in first and second, and only 13% say legal in all 3.
near glen
I expect ppl to stop giving a flying fuck about what trump says in a few weeks. Ppl are just so done with him, from what I can tell
shut vine
But I don't see the media focusing as much on Biden as Trump, think he gets people more interested in news.
faint radish
Why is abortion always a hot button issue? Solid majority say legal in first trimester, and then overwhelming majority say no after that.
Done and dusted.
near glen
That's would be too easy, smh
faint radish
Politicians want the issue
near glen
Isn't that how literally everybody else does it too?
faint radish
They donât wanna fix anything so they can blame the other side for not fixing it.
near glen
Idk how long a trimester is in weeks, i believe it's legal for 12 or 14 weeks here
foggy fern
They want the social issues so you'll vote against your own interests on things that actually impact you
near glen
They donât wanna fix anything so they can blame the other side for not fixing it...
It always comes back to the flawed two party system
foggy fern
Trimester would be 3 months so 12 weeks
faint radish
Well tell that to the governor of Virginia? Who things you should be able to kill babies afte they are born.
Was it Virginia?
I forget.
near glen
What a moron, lmao
That's just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing
Suck ppl, no matter what party, can just fuck the fuck off
foggy fern
Under the bodily autonomy argument it should be allowed up until the point they can induce early and put the kid up for adoption
faint radish
The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.
shut vine
Most arguments post first trimester are incredibly flimsy.
faint radish
Would be resuscitated if they wanted... yeah, literal murder right there. No argument.
foggy fern
Wait is that a discussion abut what to do if a baby is stillborn?
faint radish
What does comfortable have to do if the baby is dead?
foggy fern
Well, they appear to have resuscitated it
faint radish
If you can resuscitate, and you donât. I think doctors can get in huge trouble for that.
foggy fern
Nah, you don't have to resuscitate
near glen
That's a whole different topic anyways
foggy fern
Adults can have a legal order telling you not to otherwise it's up to parents or spouses to decide if it should be done
faint radish
Well, if you hadnât given up your power of attorney
near glen
Has literally nothing to do with abortion
faint radish
Wait, the parent can decide if their own kid should dies... but canât decide if their 14 years old girl should be allowed an abortion?
near glen
Idk, the US should just do what all others do, allow abortions, with psychiatrist council, in the first 12 or 14 or whatever weeks (because there are many many proper reasons for abortions) and then stop discussing that dum topic
shut vine
Agreed
faint radish
Wouldnât fly tho cause âyou are telling women what they can do with their bodiesâ
near glen
Because these arguments spiraled into insane positions on all sides of the argument
Ppl got to extreme and invested
Only reason I would see somebody wanting an abortion after the first trimester is because a) you didn't detect it earlier or b) some health issue
a) is tough luck, b) is still allowed anyways
shut vine
Also children should not be able to undergo optional (i.e. non-life saving) surgery without parental consent or exigent circumstances.
near glen
Maybe a c) would be that the dad left or smth, but if it's that late, most mother's want the child anyways, and if you don't, you should have thought about it earlier
faint radish
also, wait a minute, a 17 year old's parents can sign a DNR for them?
I can't find anything on google about this
near glen
Idk, maybe I am to rational
faint radish
that seems totally wrong
shut vine
If they've gone through legal emancipation, that's different, of course.
near glen
I have two friends who had abortions, lol
faint radish
yeah, but idk if parents should be able to say do not resuscitate my kid
well at least they shouldn't be able to once the kid understands what death is
idk what age that is, but its not the same for everyone
near glen
In germany, it would most likely be 14
As 14 year old here, you are expected to know about laws and stuff, at that point you can be prosecuted for crimes
faint radish
maybe DNR's for that only apply for those who have terminal illnesses?
not just your random healthy 13 year old
near glen
(under different rules than adults, but still)
shut vine
There are rules for DNR's that you can't personally escape, like you can't just sign one because you are going into surgery.
Most jurisdictions only allow parents to sign a DNR for a child if it's reasonable to do so under the circumstances and there is no evidence to conclude it is against the child's wishes.
Doctors have to approve DNR's, and if a doctor rejects it and the one asking to sign one contests it, usually a medical board decides in a trial like setting.
weary obsidian
dude are the secret service holding a gun at trumps head for these videos? how the fuck is he so spooked that hes reading off scripts and actually staying quiet?
foggy fern
White House Counsel is my guess
weary obsidian
since when has he ever listened to anyone
foggy fern
When they told him he might go to jail đ
weary obsidian
im sure theyve told him that for years and he still didnt care
he thought he was invincible and going to rule forever
faint radish
Waiting for companies to cut off Facebook now...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/13/facebook-role-in-capitol-protest/
shut vine
Several ISP's have blocked Facebook/Twitter because of censorship. Insanely ironic.
cosmic badge
Several? I see one small town ISP from Idaho lol
It's a wifi ISP too, super easy to compete against.
smoky hedge
Lmao, people getting annoyed that a cheese company stopped using a literal racial slur as their name - https://junkee.com/cheer-cheese-coon-cheese/284774?fbclid=IwAR2I5clbrRZ1Pento3afGWd9A4D9koIoekR_SiBoNXwV9lCl8R_R-vKGvjk
(Unsure how the word is seen in the US, but here it's basically the equivalent of the n word)
?ban @shy gulch spam (and probably an alt of Blue Ray of Light)
red mountainBOT
Intel#5759 was banned | spam (and probably an alt of Blue Ray of Light)
cosmic badge
(Unsure how the word is seen in the US, but here it's basically the equivalent o...
Yeah it's very much a well known racial slur in the US too.
smoky hedge
More meant not sure how severe itâs seen as
cosmic badge
It's just as bad as using the N word, yeah.
Obviously context matters, but if you say it to refer to a black person then it would be as bad.
foggy fern
On a different note, https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-34-IFR/ suggests the overall fatality rate for covid is 1.15%, starting at 0.1% for under 40 and doubling with every 8 years of age after that up to 5% over 80 years old
Seasonal flu is 0.1%, according to WHO estimates
shut vine
They're not actually using a racial slur as their name, they're using their family name as their name.
But doesn't really matter if they change it, it's below average cheese regardless.
foggy fern
Bad for marketing either way, one of those things everyone is just used to because it's always been there but if you stop and think about it...
shut vine
Yeah, agreed. Regardless if they change it or not it's bad for marketing.
near glen
German satire tv show on Twitter: "only 10 Republicans voted for a second impeachment of trump.
The other delegates are apperently banana republicans"
đ
Twitter
near glen
And for the Germans in here (not worth translating as you would know who Merz is)
https://twitter.com/heuteshow/status/1349687487984267270?s=19
Twitter
near glen
The fact that merz is actually running and that ppl think he has a chance just shows how bad this race is gonna be
Like, sure, we are never gonna find a good replacement for merkel, but if those 3 clowns are the best the party has to offer, that's just sad
faint radish
See, this is part of the problem. CNN goes ahead and makes a comparison to the BLM protests (I think some would disagree) but then says one is justified and one wasnât. If you are going to make the comparison in the first place, you the canât say the political violence was justified somewhere, and not somewhere else, that just encourages more political violence. You have to say NO to it everywhere, itâs never acceptable.
near glen
well, CNN is putting the violence on both ends aside here and commenting on the origin of the protest
so that statement seems fine
restive seal
They said protests, not violence. You're choosing to interpret protest as "BLM protests" as violence which is... interesting.
foggy fern
faint radish
They said protests, not violence. You're choosing to interpret protest as "BLM p...
CNN is comparing âinsurrectionâ and âBLM protestsâ. Not me.
When you phrase a sentence like that, you are comparing the two.
Unlike Bill, Joe scored an actual goal during the game.
near glen
for a second I thought that vid is real amaranth, lol
that shows how bad the situation is
faint radish
Maybe I mis-read that then. Cause ^ makes sense.
restive seal
Yeah. Regardless of subsequent violence levels, they're talking about cause to protest. One's legit, one's based on lies.
faint radish
well, I don't have a problem with someone protesting based on lies
foggy fern
Parler:
We prepared for events like this by never relying on Amazon's proprietary infrastructure and building bare metal products.
Also Parler:
Parler contracts with AWS to provide the cloud computing services Parler needs for its apps and website to function on the internet. Further, that both the apps and the website are written to work with AWSâs technology. To have to switch to a different service provider would require rewriting that code, meaning Parler will be offline for a financially devastating period.
One of those is a lie, if it's the first one I don't understand why they'd lie about that, the truth will be obvious quickly. If it's the second one they'd better prepare their butts, they just lied to the court.
cosmic badge
What are they in court for?
near glen
They sueing aws
cosmic badge
lul
near glen
For ???
cosmic badge
I'm pretty sure Amazon's lawyers did a thorough job of crafting their terms of service, doubtful Parler will be able to sue them successfully.
Looks like Parler may be arguing anti-competitive behavior on Amazon's part lol.
cosmic badge
It isn't, but even if it was, AWS isn't even in the social media business as far as I know.
And even if AWS was somehow a stakeholder in social media, they'd have to prove a coordinated effort by all the other competitors that anti-competitive practices took place.
near glen
It's just really sad on parlers part that they can't stay online
cosmic badge
Parler could've easily stayed online too just by performing basic moderation.
near glen
When stuff like the TPB is actually targeted by govs and can stay online
Parler is more or less wanted by the USA and russia
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And how is your shit so poorly designed that it's deeply reliant on one provider's infrastructure? More importantly, why is it that the provider's fault? lol
No sane person in web development would claim that Amazon has a monopoly on web hosting infrastructure.
They have a giant market share, no doubt. A monopoly? Far from it.
near glen
Market share wise they arent even the largest, it you look at number of websites
Godaddy is way bigger
Raw hardware they prolly win
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I'd guess they're at least in the top 5
But yeah there's plenty of other competitors
And if they're all unwilling to provide their services to them, that's Parler's fault, can't cry foul.
near glen
This website claims godaddy, aws, gcp, 1&1 and square space
Out of the top 35 websites, those are the hosts
Hetzner is 6
35 milloon
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What a waste of money, I wonder how much Parler is paying their lawyer(s) for this.
near glen
They could build their own DC instead đ
Build a black host, not the worst buisness model if you got no morals
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I'm sure they could go find a "Freedom Host" somewhere lol
I don't even believe that web hosting is the lowest level of internet infrastructure that anyone should be entitled to. At best, you should be entitled to access to the Internet itself, but beyond that you should have to build your own infrastructure or buy/rent someone else's.
near glen
TPB already said they will not host it, cause they care about human rights đ
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TPB founder operates a privacy-oriented domain registrar which he has offered to its services to Parler, I read.
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Ah, oh well lol
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If people don't want to be censored by de facto monopolies trying to protect their reputation, they should fight for nationalized internet infrastructure and be willing to pay the taxes that come with that đ
But oh wait, the right believes in an unregulated free market and wants to pay less taxes!
near glen
sunde is actually one of the biggest trolls there are
I like him
"Stealing content seem quite harsh of this website though, didnât know that they did that! Is there anyway you can get the stolen items back though? You should either go to the police and request them to help you get the stolen items back. Or maybe talk to your insurance company, they might help to compensate you for the loss. But a helpful idea; if theyâve stolen something and then put copies of that on a website that you can freely access, I would suggest just copying it, so that both of you have the same things. Thatâs a great thing with the digital world, everyone can have copies of things. I am surprised they stole something when they could just have copied it. Iâm guessing itâs some older individuals that donât know the possibilities of modern day technology to make copies."
foggy fern
TIL Ted Cruz once volunteered Jim Jordan for a wrestling match against Ron Perlman
Giving people a reason to google "Jim Jordan wrestling" to see why he would do that
Ted Cruz is a moron
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That aside, that would be great match to watch if it actually happened... Ron Perlman would probably crush Jim Jordan
foggy fern
Twitter
weary obsidian
And how is your shit so poorly designed that it's deeply reliant on one provider...
AWS ecosystem is built in a way that you can build amazing architectures on top of AWS, but its all proprietary to AWS. It's not some abstract integration. They want you to do that to intentionally create "Vendor Lockin"
To avoid that lockin means giving up fancy potential and devalues usage of AWS in general.
so yeah if you do build your entire architecture on AWS API, R53, S3, CF, WAF, it would be catastrophic to be suddenly banned from AWS, youd have to manually build up servers and have no dynamic scaling
foggy fern
Apparently AWS started talking to Parler about this in November
So it wasn't all that sudden
cosmic badge
Too bad so sad. Should've considered that before locking your entire platform to one vendor lol
Matze doesn't seem like a very smart dude.
He'd rather cry and whine instead of doing the one thing that would bring his site back online.
brisk cradle
Hmm. Yes, the coup attempt was even worse than we thought! https://cnn.it/2KbYjAG?fbclid=IwAR0BpAfsDKiQJNRMB7KEvoMzpTKq5l9NL7_lhabfr8AZnIvyrStQfTR6GD8
tough cedar
some of these rioters are going to get to experience the real deep state soon
weary obsidian
brisk cradle
Just, wow.
Jared and Ivanka really prize the fact they keep their six bathrooms pristine by making sure the Secret Service canât use them. Thank Obama for their ability to use his bathroom instead!
weary obsidian
ffs
faint radish
I thought ivanka and jared signed away their protection back in 2016
fleet shadow
pine rover
it was relevant to the conversation
opaque prairie
idk i got pinged in here the other day too but i couldnt find where was either. but im also pretty stupid so
near glen
This is where ghosts hide
foggy fern
Woman on MSNBC says federal conspiracy charges are easy to charge
Although you do have to know (or have it be reasonable for you to know) that the intent is to break the law
Then it doesn't even matter if what you actually did was illegal, so long it was to further a goal that is itself illegal
You don't even have to do anything yourself, if you get together with people and plan to rob a bank then one of the group gets busted stealing a car for the getaway vehicle and tells the cops about the bank robbery you can go down for conspiracy
shut vine
There are 4 criteria to having a prima facie case with conspiracy from memory. Criminal act has to have been committed, the person must have knowledge that the crime is going to take place or reasonable cause to know, the person must know their actions will assist or effect the chances of the crime being committed, and one more which I always forget.
foggy fern
Criminal act does not have to have been committed
shut vine
I see, so it's just like you think about committing a crime and nothing happens, and you go to jail?
foggy fern
A criminal conspiracy exists when two or more people agree to commit almost any unlawful act, then take some action toward its completion. The action taken need not itself be a crime, but it must indicate that those involved in the conspiracy knew of the plan and intended to break the law. A person may be convicted of conspiracy even if the actual crime was never committed.
For example, Jason, Alice, and Hank plan a bank robbery. They 1) visit the bank first to assess its security, and 2) pool their money and buy a gun. All three can be charged with conspiracy to commit robbery, regardless of whether the robbery itself is ever attempted or completed.
shut vine
Yes, taking action to plan a crime is regardless of co-conspirators a crime.
foggy fern
Yes, and that crime is conspiracy đ
shut vine
The issue with criminal conspiracy is you have to prove the agreement between individuals not directly associated with the crime itself before you even have a prima faice case.
As an example with the Michael Cohen incident they could not prove Trump was a co-conspirator even though all the other elements were there.
foggy fern
My understanding was they didn't even try because they can't investigate the president because they can't charge him and they can't do an investigation that doesn't have the potential to end with a charge
shut vine
They can impeach him.
Which they didn't, because it was not something that can be proven.
foggy fern
Southern District of New York can't
Dunno if Congress even considered it, never saw it come up
shut vine
In most U.S. jurisdictions, for a person to be convicted of conspiracy, not only must he or she agree to commit a crime, but at least one of the conspirators must commit an overt act (the actus reus) in furtherance of the crime.[24] However, in United States v. Shabani the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that this "overt act" element is not required under the federal drug conspiracy statute, 21 U.S.C. section 846.
No agreement, no co-conspirator charge.
foggy fern
It depends on which one of the conspiracy statues you're dealing with and what district you're charging in, they have different case law that hasn't made it up to the Supreme Court for clarification
But yes, the agreement is the key part of the whole thing
shut vine
Ah the other thing they have to prove under US law which I always forget, is they have to prove the roles.
foggy fern
You can prove the agreement by turning the one they already busted
Assuming you have some other evidence of them being in communication
shut vine
That's circumstantial evidence and likely hearsay. The burden is higher. Like you'd have to prove those individuals met to discuss the crime.
Yeah.
Chances of them convicting him as a co-conspirator are very low without a smoking gun.
Hell, chances that even makes it before a court is very low.
foggy fern
Well, in this case I'm talking about the people who organized the "Wild Protest" and anyone who worked with them
Apparently that was the term they were using for it on Facebook before the 6th, they were going to go have a "Wild Protest"
shut vine
Also regarding Cohen, why would the Southern District of New York have jurisdiction over Cohen lying to Congress?
foggy fern
I thought the unindicted co-conspirator part came from his charges in SDNY
Did he have charges in DC too?
The charges in SDNY were about the money laundering or whatever they called it
shut vine
Yeah.. he lied to Congress.
shut vine
The allegation as far as I know is Trump directed him to
shut vine
I may be wrong too, I didn't pay as much attention to that case as I was sick of it at the time
foggy fern
A few of them definitely had charges in SDNY
shut vine
They had more evidence against him than they do now
The problem with "wild" is you'd be entirely relying on subtext and conjecture.
Which lawyer did MSNBC have on btw?
foggy fern
No idea, I wasn't really paying that much attention, just caught that line
Wouldn't surprise me if they were thinking of drug cases though
shut vine
Yeah, think it was Clinton who made it really easy to convict criminal conspiracy related to drug crimes, either way it's substantially easier
Might have been Reagan
foggy fern
The thing you quoted said it was the Supreme Court, no?
shut vine
The SCOTUS interpreted the law statute that applied in the situation
foggy fern
That case was in 1994, unless Clinton did it right away and a case shot straight to the Supreme Court it wouldn't have been him
shut vine
The one referenced there isn't specific about drugs.
Could have been Reagan then
Specific statute the article references:
Any person who attempts or conspires to commit any offense defined in this subchapter shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the attempt or conspiracy.
Oh USC 21 is food/drugs
Ah Nixon
foggy fern
Good old War on Drugs Nixon
shut vine
1971 was Nixon right?
yea nvm
Basically USC21 makes it anyone who attempts or conspires.. so the normal elements that must exist are completely gone.
foggy fern
Oh, for one of those lawsuits suing Pence to force him to toss out the election the judge dismissed the case and is requiring the plaintiff's lawyers to show why the judge shouldn't refer them for disciplinary action
It is not a stretch to find a serious lack of good faith here. See Trump v. Wis. Elections Commân, No. 20-3414, 2020 WL 7654295, at *4 (7th Cir. Dec. 24, 2020).
Yet even that may be letting Plaintiffs off the hook too lightly. Their failure to make any effort to serve or formally notify any Defendant â even after reminder by the Court in its Minute Order â renders it difficult to believe that the suit is meant seriously. Courts are not instruments through which parties engage in such gamesmanship or symbolic political gestures. As a result, at the conclusion of this litigation, the Court will determine whether to issue an order to show cause why this matter should not be referred to its Committee on Grievances for potential discipline of Plaintiffsâ counsel.
That says he might, he actually did it later though, they have until the 22nd
faint radish
Well there could be one left-wing nut job trying to rile people up. https://apple.news/AJaazj2gxQuCt6anIyjuVbg
foggy fern
I think that's the guy who has a brother in a right-wing militia and the antifa and BLM folks in Oregon want nothing to do with him, he was just trying to rile them up and con money out of them
faint radish
He was interviewed on Anderson cooper (CNN) as a BLM activist I think?
Founder of https://www.insurgenceusa.com/
foggy fern
Yeah, that's what he calls himself
ah it was Utah, not Oregon
I saw a thing on him on Twitter like a week ago
Oh, wrong again, it was in Seattle
That's from November so they aren't just trying to toss him out after the 6th
Oh god they posted an even longer update today https://twitter.com/RebellionBaby/status/1349717938803142656
faint radish
See, now this kind of thing is what makes me skeptical of the whole âreconnaissanceâ thing that was brought up.
foggy fern
That sounds like the result of a game of telephone
Pretty hilarious, I'm waiting for the Gordon Lieu memes
restive seal
They're waiting for you, Ted, in the house chamberrrrrr
shut vine
BLM is a decentralized movement, can't really be "kicked out".
loud flax
well, in that case, cancel culture may as well go after valve because a hl2 original meme is now connected loosely to the capital hill riots
shut vine
Problem with decentralized movements is anyone can claim to be part of it basically, and the meaning of said movement can differ from person to person.
In which case?
loud flax
that's more of a joke, but honestly cancel culture has been absolutely ridiculous when it comes to Trump
shut vine
Cancel culture is generally ridiculous.
I prefer it to governments getting involved though.
loud flax
yeah, that does seem better, but sometimes it's like people almost have no bounds
removing trump's scene from home alone 2, for example
rather
that's what people want to do
shut vine
Yeah, they get outraged over relatively small things.
foggy fern
shut vine
Well that literally doesn't achieve anything, or harm anything.
loud flax
here's the big issue i have with that, and this isn't something I think people tend to realize or really talk about, and that's being offended is really a choice, and cancel culture goes after something because of the very thing they can absolutely control, being offended
shut vine
It's just all round stupid.
Yeah, I agree.
Generally when people are offended they are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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I often don't agree with cancel culture, but in a free market we call that boycotting.
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If that's the way society wants to move, it is what it is. Businesses are going to do things that protect their reputation and market share.
shut vine
We can see the stupidity of it but also agree with the right for someone to do it.
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And yeah, better than the government being involved.
shut vine
Not saying all "cancelling" is stupid.
Just there are a lot of stupid cancellations in recent times.
PogChamp is a good example.
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Wasn't there a new controversy with the new face of PogChamp? lol
shut vine
Not that I ever thought it was a good emote.
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So sounds like they might have to replace their new PogChamp too
foggy fern
Yeah, he was hyping up the capitol stuff and saying they were going to get revenge for the "murder" of that woman who tried to force a security barricade
Oh, you mean whoever they picked to replace it
They were doing a new PogChamp every so often to replace it
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Yeah sounded like there was controversy surrounding the replacement
foggy fern
To try to disconnect it from any one person, I guess
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Just don't make it based around a person tbh đ
raven hearth
I think the second controversy. Is just the internet being the internet. Drama for dramas sake. Something something internet trolls
shut vine
I mean having his face doesn't really say "we support the faces opinions forever".
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Yeah, though I don't blame Twitch. The Twitch crowd especially seems particularly "SJW" đ
shut vine
I would understand them making a statement, but the fact they feel it necessary to change it entirely is based purely on the fear that they'll be cancelled due to everyone overreacting.
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I think Twitch is calculated enough to understand the potential backlash, I trust they made a solid business decision.
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Yep
shut vine
Yea I don't blame Twitch. Though my view is probably pretty clear already.
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Same. I wish I didn't live in a culture where things like The Chappelle Show would be instantly cancelled đ
I miss Louis CK, too đŚ
shut vine
They tried to cancel Dave Chappelle actually
He just made fun of them trying to cancel him
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I'm amazed he hasn't been cancelled yet tbh. He's really good at offending everyone lol
He takes no prisoners.
shut vine
There was huge outrage over one of his specials, nothing really sticks to him though
He doesn't apologize for shit either, lol
Family Guy is another one that is pretty amazing it's not been cancelled
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Haven't kept up with it, but South Park comes to mind too
shut vine
From what I heard it makes fun of political correctness a whole lot
faint radish
Chapelle can afford to make fun of everyone, heâs got a gazillion dollars from his Netflix specials
Just saw Louis CK in Parks and Rec the other day. Hilarious
foggy fern
smoky hedge
So I'm constantly seeing videos of people refusing to wear masks and throwing massive tantrums about it, and they're being shared everywhere. It makes me incredibly annoyed. The kind of environment those people have created are literally preventing me from going to get a medical test done that I need to get done in the next week.
People making dumb fake claims to not wear them completely delegitimises people with legitimate claims. People who actually cannot wear masks are not going to places that need masks, because they're not wearing a mask out of medical necessity. The people who go to places that require masks without them are going purely because it gets them attention.
Due to those people there's now so much stigma around medical exemption from wearing a mask, that it's legitimately unsafe for me to go get required medical testing done. I am like actually so angry with every single one of those videos that I see
Soz for the very long rant paragraph :/
weary obsidian
it annoys me another level for states that have mandates, and even have people standing at the front door to 'make sure people have masks', then dont stop people without a mask, and lets them in anyways
because the companies dont want to risk confrontations
foggy fern
lol, woman posted on facebook to explain why she had that flag then must have realized being where that flag is shown was illegal so deleted her post
foggy fern
Twitter
faint radish
So Iâm seeing that the whole secret service bathroom thing was totally false now?
From a spokeswoman for the secret service.
If it was totally false, and Jared & Ivanka didnât tell them not to use their bathrooms... well, letâs just say it doesnât help the mediaâs reputation.
tough cedar
huh?
tough cedar
why does it reflect poorly on the media though?
if the story was false and they issued an update that shows integrity?
faint radish
Well look at the article linked in the discord post. No update there.
tough cedar
whats the false part of the story?
do these stories even actually conflict? cause it looks like people were interviewed?
faint radish
tough cedar
Bruce said she felt sympathy for the familyâs protective detail as she watched agents trying to balance the call of duty with natureâs call.
âThese poor people,â she remembers thinking when the porta-potty was hauled away. âWhat, are they going to have to get in their carsâ to go to the bathroom?
They were, and they did.```Donât see an update on this one either.
shut vine
The false part is probably the part between the top and the bottom.
tough cedar
seems like the porta potty existed but they were denied access from using the indoor bathrooms?
faint radish
I mean simply look at the headline of that rolling stone article.
The secret service said they were not denied access from using indoor
shut vine
To be honest, I could care less, it's toilets. đ
faint radish
Not the whitehouse spokesperson, not Trump, the actual secret service
Look at the last quote there.
tough cedar
i see that
in the WP article that is linked in the guardian article it also says this
White House spokesman Judd Deere denied that Trump and Kushner ever requested that their Secret Service detail not use the bathrooms in their home.
faint radish
But thatâs the White House spokesman.
Who is on their side, so some might see him as biased.
Not that actual organization in question, very different.
Also, no update here. https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/no-you-can-t-use-the-bathroom-jared-and-ivanka-tell-their-secret-service-agents-1.4459201
tough cedar
?? i'm confused on what this story is about then
faint radish
The WaPo is reporting that the agents were instructed to not use the bathrooms.
Later, the secret service came out and said no
tough cedar
ok and they got that info from a whitehouse spokesperson?
faint radish
No they didnât... did you read it?
faint radish
The report about them being instructed to not use the bathrooms comes from neighbors and a law enforcement official (all unnamed I think)
White House denied it, but ofc they would cause itâs a bad look.
THEN later, secret service denied it too.
All in the WaPo article.
tough cedar
ok so why does the porta potty exist
i think that's where my confusion comes from
because if they're allowed inside, why would they even have a porta potty lol
faint radish
I have no clue why, maybe the bathrooms were being remodeled, I literally have no idea. But the secret service said they try not to use private residences facilities.
But regardless, you get headlines saying Jared & Ivanka told agents they couldnât use their bathrooms, when even the original WaPo article doesnât say where instructions came from. So they just added that bit in to make it sound better.
Which is why it harms the mediaâs reputation.
tough cedar
ah, right i see what you mean
my confusion probably came from because i just clicked through to the washington post article rather than readin the one that tux had linked
faint radish
Yeah, WaPo article is fine.
They report the whole thing.
Itâs all the articles about the WaPo article
tough cedar
you had a problem with the editorialized titles of the other companies i presume?
ya
ok , makes sense now
faint radish
Well itâs not just that, they donât report the denial from the secret service either. They include the White House denial, but not the later one.
tough cedar
ah ok yea
faint radish
The later one carries significantly more weight
And then you have the whole problem, as you have 10k people who saw the original article, and like 300 who see the updated version.
I guarantee there are significantly more people out there who think Jared & Ivanka told them specifically not to use the bathrooms, when that is far from fact.
Which isnât entirely the mediaâs fault ofc.
tough cedar
well if the response came 8 hours later then the damage is already done and an update in the article probably wouldn't mean much
it'd be better to just post a new article
which they might not have done either
faint radish
Yeah, well anyways, itâs just one more example of something like this which just further tarnishes all media.
shut vine
Better journalist usually do both. Post a new article, and post a link to it in an update to the incorrect one.
shut vine
In other news, Merkel is stepping down, the entire Netherlands government has resigned, and Italy's government is at breaking point.
smoky hedge
Yikes, guy got thrown in prison for literally nothing during his divorce property settlement
Judge was on a major power trip
foggy fern
vaccine distribution is so fucked in the US
Rich folks are flying to the states with the loosest rules on who can get it to jump ahead in line
Federal government appears to be lying about how much they have/had stockpiled which is screwing up distribution plans even more than they already were
smoky hedge
Idk when Australiaâs rollout will start. Iâm either in the first phase or not getting it at all though - depends on which my doctor recommends me
I believe March is the earliest we can possibly start tho, as we donât start receiving shipments until then
But rollout is done based on priority groups, and distributed to hospitals - which doctor practices put in orders to
near glen
Why is it taking till March? Lol
smoky hedge
I just assume âAustralia thingsâ is the reason lol
Iâll probably end up not getting it tho - as the vaccine is high risk for me, and Iâm in a relatively safe area for covid (covid would also be very high risk for me tho - but v unlikely Iâd get it)
If I was in the US or whatever Iâd 100% be getting it as the vaccine risk is less than the covid risk when itâs everywhere
glossy sandal
foggy fern
Airlines were getting a higher than normal number of guns being checked on flights heading to the DC area, they ended up banning guns on those flights
Not really surprising though, you make some new harsher laws and then systemic racism ensures they throw the book at black people with it
shut vine
Could be because 56% of violent crimes are committed by them too
Also like how they call appealing to a higher court habeas corpus.
foggy fern
Those violent crime statistics don't account for how likely you are to get a plea deal down to a lesser offense that doesn't count as a violent crime, among other things
shut vine
It's statistics based on violent crimes committed in relation to people convicted regardless of plea deals.
Regardless, being a minority of 6%, they are a long way from the average
foggy fern
Apparently when Trump got approval to convert the house to a social club he signed an agreement that no one could stay there more than 21 days a year
shut vine
That's pretty standard with converting a residential premise to a commercial one without appropriate permits. So probably.
That being said doubt the permits are hard to get.
foggy fern
CNN and WP have a copy of the agreement with his signature on it, it's a thing
A permit wouldn't be enough, he'd have to get the agreement modified
He also apparently signed away development rights to some preservation group and part of the contract there is that it has to stay a social club so he can't just convert it back to a house
So it has to stay a social club and he has to get the city to give him a waiver on the agreement so he can live there
Otherwise he needs to find somewhere else to live
shut vine
Yeah that's incorrect, if he applies for a permit those who has an agreement with have to object, and if they lose they have to sue him.
If he loses then he has to sue them or get them to change the agreement.
foggy fern
The permit would be from one of the groups he has an agreement with
The agreement that was a part of getting his last permit for the place
More likely he'll just try to live there and wait to see if they sue him
shut vine
Unless the entity that gave him the permit is the people he made the agreement with, then basically they'd have to sue him if he doesn't keep it.
foggy fern
The entity that gave him the permit is the people he made the agreement with
shut vine
Which entity?
foggy fern
I don't know if it's the city or the county, whoever is in charge of permitting there
shut vine
Ah it's with Palm Beach.
And basically the complaint is Palm Beach is not enforcing it.
foggy fern
They're the ones that say he can't live there while it's a social club
shut vine
Thus it's up to residents to sue Palm Beach.
foggy fern
The preservation group is the one that is requiring it to be a social club in exchange for giving Trump money and presumably being responsible for maintaining the property
His neighbors are working their way up the legal chain to suing over it
foggy fern
No point yet since he isn't living there but they've primed it by sending a demand letter to the city to remind Trump of his agreement
If he hadn't sold things off to the preservation group he could just change it back to a house, shut down the business, and pay more taxes again
shut vine
National Trust for Historic Preservation (not a government entity, a private entity) was given rights to develop at Mar-a-Lago, and as part of that deal Trump forgoes any right to develop there, or to use it for any purpose other than club use.
So if he were to breech that, it would be up to NTHP to sue him.
foggy fern
So long as it's a club the city isn't supposed to let him live there but he signed a contract with the preservation group that requires it to be a club
shut vine
As far as the agreement with Palm Beach, it's that club 'members' may not use it for more than 21 days.
foggy fern
He is a club member
shut vine
As a person in control of the club, he can define what a club member is.
foggy fern
They clarified that before the agreement was accepted
shut vine
Or can simply leave the club.
foggy fern
The current residency controversy tracks back to a deal Trump cut in 1993 when his finances were foundering and the cost of maintaining Mar-a-Lago was soaring into the multimillions each year. Under the agreement, club members are banned from spending more than 21 days a year in the clubâs guest suites and cannot stay there for any longer than seven consecutive days. Before the arrangement was sealed, a Trump attorney assured the town council in a public meeting that his client would not live at Mar-a-Lago.
shut vine
Either way Palm Beach is not interested in making him follow it at this stage.
So either NTHP has to sue him, or the Palm Beach residents have to sue the Palm Beach county.
If he were to breech the deals.
foggy fern
Him living there while it's a club doesn't violate the NTHP agreement, as far as WP says
Just that agreement is blocking him from making any changes that would help avoid the one with the city
shut vine
Yeah so if NTHP has no objections, and Palm Beach is not making an effort to stop him (it thus far hasn't even though he's been in breech of the deal for years), then the residents would have to sue Palm Beach.
foggy fern
The way they're posturing I'd expect that shortly after someone can confirm Trump is living there after the 20th
shut vine
But Palm Beach has literally not been enforcing them to report that information.
Says that in WaPo's article.
foggy fern
4 of the 20 years they haven't done it and the city hasn't pressed the matter
I wonder if those are the last 4 years or just random ones
shut vine
Yeah, so basically it's up to PB to enforce it, or the residents to make them.
foggy fern
Well, yeah, that's where we started đ
Doesn't change the fact that, legally, he can't actually live there
shut vine
WaPo also points out his NTHP agreement technically bars him from living there btw.
foggy fern
I don't know if "any purpose other than club use" would bar him from just never leaving one of the suites
shut vine
There is clearly more wriggle room in that agreement, and possibly not legally enforceable
foggy fern
Depends on how the language involved in normally allowing such a thing would work
shut vine
You generally can't give up something "forever".
foggy fern
You can if you sell it
shut vine
Yeah but, in this instance it wasn't a sale.
Well not a property right sale.
Also if you buy it back.
foggy fern
I get the impression it's something like he sold them the property but not because that would screw things up even more
shut vine
Thus an agreement that has that kind of terminology is typically precarious to defend legally.
He sold development rights, not the property itself
foggy fern
I don't know anything about real estate so that's a big ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
shut vine
Yeah it typically varies by jurisdiction, it's probably not enough to nullify an entire agreement either way
Just the single provision at most
foggy fern
Normally you'd expect him to just live elsewhere and avoid the embarrassment but this is Trump so of course he'll fight it while making up school yard insult nicknames for everyone involved
shut vine
I'm kind of hoping he does live there to see what hapens
foggy fern
The standard way to handle it would be to live elsewhere while continuing behind the scenes to petition the government to amend the agreement
faint radish
foggy fern
valid falcon
Operation derp speed.
faint radish
I think the "warp speed" thing just covered getting it to various states. federal government doesnt dictate who gets the vaccine, that's up to each state
well, I'm sure the federal government did buy some that wasn't included in the initial doses given to the states. mostly for the military I would guess
random furnace
near glen
Lmao, how the fuck do they use so much reosurces?
Like, why does their postgres cluster use a fucking 76tb of ram?
plush crypt
chances are they dont
it's probably just so they have a lot of extra to resell or just for the sake of it...
plush crypt
yeah, but they can with others
near glen
You don't buy extra at all, if you need extra you spin up on demand
I read that list as their old setup on AWS
near glen
Twitter
brisk cradle
tough cedar
gotta cope somehow lol
brisk cradle
Folks, Iâm ashamed to admit I live in her congressional district. https://mobile.twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1350902338991648770/photo/1
foggy fern
foggy fern
Folks, Iâm ashamed to admit I live in her congressional district. https://mobile...
I used to have Steve King as my representative, I don't know if crazy Q'er or openly racist is worse
clear maple
Looks like they locked down the Capitol because a fire a few blocks away https://twitter.com/JProskowGlobal/status/1351187928165314563
foggy fern
Huh, Parler's lawsuit against Amazon reads like something from /r/conspiracy and is basically nothing but whataboutism
"Twitter did it too, AWS must be working with Twitter to kill Parler"
It took until like half way through the filing for them to even bring up their contract with Amazon
They've also only been suspended, not terminated, which means they still have access to the service console and can access all their data and the contract allows for immediate suspension
Contract requires 30 days notice for termination but Amazon also says they've been talking to Parler about this for months
Why would Amazon want to work with Twitter to kill Parler anyway? They make more money if both sites are running and use AWS
They might want to get rid of them to avoid the stigma pushing other customers away but that's not them working to help Twitter
brisk cradle
Amazon's lawyers actually responded to the suit and deconstructed the suit in its entirety.
weary obsidian
lol fucking delusional people, seeing multiple tweets from conservatives saying chinese troops are marching across our borders and they got missiles in the country
foggy fern
lol fucking delusional people, seeing multiple tweets from conservatives saying ...
Yeah they're coming in from Alberta or something
Which is weird because Alberta is the Texas of Canada, why would they fantasize about them being overrun?
foggy fern
Hmm, that "tour the day before the coup attempt" story is narrowing down, now they're naming names: Lauren Boebert
You know, the one who brings a gun in to the House chamber and tweets out Pelosi's movements while there is a mob roaming the building
She is new though so her group could have just been friends and/or family she wanted to show off to
Oh, and that's what she is claiming it was so yeah
elder portal
ohey
mmm, some bullshit
but overall it's actually.. Fine?
which is slightly surprising, but also not surprising
shy gulch
smoky hedge
That speech was surprisingly good up until 5:30
foggy fern
He also removed the rule he had put in that blocked appointees from becoming lobbyists
So one of his final actions is to put back the little bit of swamp he removed đ
faint radish
I don't see how a rule preventing someone from being a lobbyist would ever stand up in court...
lobbying is protected speech
foggy fern
Ask Trump I guess, it was his rule that he campaigned on ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
faint radish
well no, the president doesn't decide what's constitutional or not... in fact, the executive sometimes doesn't care if it is or not.
Gov Cuomo banned selling conferedate stuff on federal property, which is a CLEAR violation of first amendment, and he even said so when he signed it.
foggy fern
I meant ask him why he thinks it's legal
faint radish
I was saying they don't even have to think its legal
like, that isn't a requirement for something being a rule. it can be challenged after the fact
so idk what he's doing đ¤ˇââď¸ esp as biden can just undo it
foggy fern
He pardoned Bannon on the fake wall thing
faint radish
yeah, saw that
foggy fern
That one's just amusing
Bannon was scamming the most loyal Trump supporters who wanted the wall to happen so badly they were willing to pay for it on their own
Trump's final act is to say that's fine
faint radish
well... there's still time đ 11 hours
foggy fern
He also declassified a chunk of the FBI's data on the Russia investigation but that isn't due to be released until tomorrow afternoon so Biden could block it
near glen
lobbying is protected speech
Don't you got rules for lobbying?
I don't know the exact rules here, but you need to register, politicans need to write down when they talk about what with whom, etc
near glen
What exactly is an appointee in this context?
Germany also has stuff like, if you were a high ranking politican, you can't go into related jobs for x years
To avoid stuff like "pass this law and we will give you a job where you need to do nothing" kinda deals
faint radish
Well there are different kinds of jobs in the federal government. The vast majority are just, normal jobs. Then there are elected officials, and then political appointees.
Some of those appointees have to be confirmed by the Senate
There are restrictions like that in the US as well, particularly in the defense industry.
But holding a job isnât really a ârightâ in the sense that lobbying is. Itâs petitioning the government for a redress of grievances which is specifically in the first amendment
So the government canât really say, no, you canât do that.
near glen
Well, government could have you sign, if you accept this position you have been appointed to, you agree to terms x y and z
faint radish
I donât think that is the case. They canât take away your rights with your signature. Have to go through due process for that.
near glen
But maybe your system is too complicated for a rational german, lol
faint radish
There are some things you canât just sign away I think.
near glen
They don't take away rights, you give them away in order to best serve your country đ¤ˇââď¸
faint radish
Well yeah, but then you can just break it and the government canât do anything about it. Cause itâs probably a void agreement.
Signing away stuff is pretty much always a private thing, between you and some company (usually saying you wonât sue them for smth)
I donât know of a situation where you sign away a right to the government.
near glen
Your whole freedom stuff is just not understandable to me in general, lol
faint radish
Well, ik we had this discussion before, but yeah. Our founding documents say every human is born with rights given to them simply because they exist, not by a government, or a group of people, or even the documents themselves, they are super-legal in a sense.
near glen
Yeah i think i kinda understand how it works by now, it's more so the why
faint radish
They exist, have always existed, will always exist. Government exists to protect those rights, and to take them away only when convicted by a jury of your peers.
near glen
And I know, history and stuff
But it just seems a strange way to run a country
I wonder what would happen if america would write a completely new consitution today
faint radish
Well why is a very philosophical question. The founding papas looked at some super smart people that came before them. Like John Locke, Voltaire, Montesquieu
The Magna Carta
The English Bill of Rights
near glen
It's just that many country were forced to/had the chance to rewrite their constitution over the last centuries, if you look at germany, we did it multiple times, and I wonder how such an iteration would look like for the USA
faint radish
Well yeah, many countries have had regime change which is like, always accompanied by a ton of people dying. Glad the US hasnât had that.
near glen
That's not what I mean, lol
I don't wish this on anybody
I just see it as a chance
And it happened to practically anyone but the US
faint radish
We have a system for changing it.
near glen
Thats very different
When you get your smartest peeps together to write a new iteration of your consitution, to tackle some flaws you notice over the years, focus on some of your core principles, etc, that's very different to the process of changing one small part
Especially since that process is rather complicated and troublesome in the US
This was more a fun "what if" thought, i know that it isn't realistical
faint radish
Yeah, itâd probably be very different unfortunately.
near glen
I just wanted to know if you think if today's america would set the same focus as it was set 400 years ago or whatever
near glen
Yeah, itâd probably be very different unfortunately.
Different doesn't need to mean bad
foggy fern
faint radish
Well not all change is good either.
near glen
Exactly, so you gotta change it till you happy
And with you, i mean your society
Iteration is important
faint radish
Well change is slow, so that takes a long time.
And government is slow, so Iâd rather leave them out of it.
And let me do my thing
Well, I think in the cycle of
Hard times make strong people
Strong people make good times
Good times make weak people
And weak people make hard times...
The US is probably at the 4th stage there.
sand shale
faint radish
WW2 make strong people, and then there were a long period of good times, but then you get weak people.
near glen
ww2 didn't made strong people here, lmao
faint radish
Right, Iâm talking about the US here.
near glen
Ww2 made a bunch of alcohol addicts that couldn't cope with what they have done
near glen
But I don't agree with that cycle in general, because it assumes the dependence on hard ppl which is a pretty sad outlook for a society
foggy fern
Yeah, propaganda
near glen
Idk how i feel about idolizing soldiers, lol
faint radish
But how is it not true? When you donât have to worry about nukes, you focus on the next most important thing. Then the next, and you are never done, there is always something else, so eventually you are trying to fix something that 40 years ago, no one thought was an issue cause they had bigger problems.
You start taking things for granted
You arenât weaker compared to other people your age, but your problems are much smaller? than ones that came before.
near glen
Exactly, that's how society progresses
faint radish
But then something bad happens
near glen
And I don't wanna go back, which is what your cycle suggests
faint radish
Cause it always does.
near glen
That's a sad outlook
faint radish
Well ok, thatâs a dream, to never have it go back, but thatâs never happened before
I think itâs pretty unrealistic to say there isnât gonna be a WW3
near glen
My thesis is that we solved the nuclear scare and don't need to worry about that anymore, since anybody understood that those weapons are to big to be used
faint radish
Well yes MAD worked well for the Cold War
foggy fern
near glen
I think itâs pretty unrealistic to say there isnât gonna be a WW3
Look at current wars, it's already not as easy as ww2 anymore. It's not countries fighting countries with allies. Is countries funding militia with weapons and stuff
Things are way different
faint radish
Well we arenât in a ww3 atm. So ofc it doesnât look like ww2.
But in ALL of world history, the number 1 power, and the fast-rising number 2 power have gone to war
Every time.
near glen
My point is that humanity has matured and that ppl don't agree to such wars anymore
Like, for example, germany doesn't even have enough soldiers to go to war
faint radish
I thought after the Holocaust the whole world said ânever againâ right?
Well itâs going on in China.
And no one is doing shit.
There ARE reasons to go to war.
foggy fern
China has nukes which means China gets to do whatever they want
faint radish
So humans Rights are just âdisagreementsâ
near glen
Yes, humanity agreed that all humans should have those rights
foggy fern
We can put pressure on them diplomatically and financially but we can't invade
faint radish
Yes, humanity agreed that all humans should have those rights
Well I donât think China got that memo tho.
foggy fern
Trump killed our last attempt to get their neighbors working together to counter them
The agreement was full of a bunch of shit that needed to not be in there but something like it sure would be nice right about now
faint radish
See, you say that we canât invade, but thatâs not how it happens. China is slowly expanding its influence by dumping massive amounts of money into 3rd world countries. There will be a conflict. Apparently China isnât content to just do its own thing where it is.
foggy fern
Every country wants an empire
The US has/had Europe and most of South America, China is going for Africa
faint radish
Well I donât think the US âhadâ anyone ever. But western civilization has certainly been teamed up for a while now.
foggy fern
Yeah, we totally didn't engineer several countries to work how we wanted them to and send in special forces while funding insurgents when they wouldn't play ball
That never happened
near glen
It's just whenever I hear the US being concerned about human rights and wanna go police the world, i think about the middle east and the mess you guys left there
faint radish
The west was united against the USSR, and the USSR was doing its thing trying to proliferate its ideology. Why canât the same thing happen here? One big difference is that massive trade relationship the world has w/China. Idk how that will play into future geopolitics.
near glen
Not for human rights, but for american values, aka oil
foggy fern
faint radish
Well yeah, nation building was a huge mistake. And idk if a war based purely on humanitarian issues will ever happen.
But an ideological war certainly can
And there are valid reasons in todayâs world to go to war, we havenât eliminated the need for militaries, nor will we ever probably.
near glen
We will, once all nations give up most of their sovereignty and the UN becomes an actual union
Then we just need police
faint radish
And as for idolizing soldiers, I donât think idolizing anything is a good plan, cause you are more likely to be blind to its flaws, BUT, respect is deserved
Yeah, cause world government is a great idea.... not.
foggy fern
North is why Congress balked at the ideal of giving Flynn an immunity deal, btw
faint radish
You canât possibly hope to find a policy that could apply to all cultures
foggy fern
They gave one to North to get him to testify against Reagan then he lied and said he did everything
near glen
You canât possibly hope to find a policy that could apply to all cultures
Don't countries have a broad mix of cultures already?
near glen
As humanity matures, that's the way forward
First we gonna have big unions like the EU, smth in africa etc, and eventually they will merge
faint radish
Look at South America. Some counties there hate each other cause of some 2 week war a hundred years ago.
near glen
Specially if you consider that we will have similar unions on the moon and mars and who knows where else
Saturn has some nice moons i heard
faint radish
Only way I see a world government in the near future (a couple hundred years) is if aliens try to attack earth.
But over many thousands of years, yeah who knows. Impossible to predict
near glen
That's the pessimist view again, thinking humanity needs a threat to progress
I argue we are capable of doing that ourselves
faint radish
It always has before tho.
near glen
Has it tho? I don't think you can link all big inventions to threats
faint radish
Well, DARPA invented the internet right? Thatâs military. The moon missions were to beat the soviets.
Modern-ish democracy took a revolution
Ok, penicillin was an accident
So thereâs one I guess
foggy fern
Things are invented for two reasons: war and porn đ
near glen
Most inventions answer a problem, not to respond to threats
faint radish
What about what I said isnât a threat?
Yeah, and the big problems arise from threats.
near glen
Meh
faint radish
Like the USSR dropping bombs from space.
near glen
Big implies priorization
faint radish
Or, having a fast communication link is a tactical advantage
foggy fern
ICBMs were a thing both sides had before the space race
ARPAnet was research in to how to build reliable networks, we already had telegraphs and radios
faint radish
They were part of the space race.
The space race practically started with the V2
âreliable networksâ aka communication
DARPA doesnât just work on tech for no reason.
There are other motivators other than threats. The profit motive is one.
Threats are just the biggest
foggy fern
You said fast communication, I was correcting you đ
faint radish
And there are other motivators too, I just donât think humans are anywhere near being able to see past their personal motives. When humans have lived in a stable society for a couple thousand years, evolution could get rid of some of it.
foggy fern
Heck we had phones and long distance and mechanical switchboards too
The point of ARPAnet was to develop a system that would keep working when part of the network went offline
faint radish
But changes in personal drive do not happen overnight. That is about instinct and thatâs hard-coded
K, new topic, is Biden actually going to get anything done or...
Like his big 1.9 trillion thing he proposed the other day, pipe dream or reality?
cosmic badge
Depends on whether Congress helps him get anything done.
Obama was a moderate/centrist and he still lost both houses when the Tea Party Movement took over politics at the time, leading to nothing getting done
weary obsidian
FYI for anyone with Prime, Prime Video has a thing to watch Inaug on it if want to put on TV
man at least im seeing a lot of good pardons on his list
fucking sad when weed can get you a 50 year sentence but pedophiles and murder can get less
drifting arch
what time does this go down? 