but, we got elections this year Z, so might wanna wait ๐
#politics
near glen
sudden wyvern
Plus I have dogs
jagged flume
Getty images photographer posting photos from inside the Capitol.
near glen
but you only need one for the next 14 days anyways
thorny wing
oooo doggos
bleak echo
discord has decided to dislike you
sudden wyvern
We don't have elections for another 4 years I think it is
copper flower
wth are they even wearing oO
bleak echo
discord has decided we must be enemies, sorry @sand shale
sand shale
@sudden wyvern who is "we"
thorny wing
some are like in normal clothes, a few dresses as revolutionaries, a couple that were naked
its all over
sudden wyvern
We being Canada*. Sorry. lol
near glen
canada kash
copper flower
they look like they watched a movie about revolutions and now dress like that
glossy sandal
There was a video I saw from door to the house where the protester was shot and the person behind them was holding a rifle, idk how accurate the video is though
copper flower
its pretty likely that some of them are armed
sudden wyvern
Yeah a woman was confirmed shot in the chest/neck area and taken out from the capitol
Was one of the Trump supporters
No confirmation as to who it was that shot though
sonic pike
No offense, but this sir is very bad-headed I think
jagged flume
Some of them are definitely armed.
And I just got the same "could not be delivered" message when trying to reply to Mal
I even turned the ping off.
near glen
discord seems to be struggeling right now
torpid bear
I got the same thing earlier but thatโs probably because I was replying to the banned guy
brisk cradle
Hey look, the cops love far-right terrorists. Old news!
feral sparrow
Makes sense when the left calls to defund the police.
cause effect or effect vs cause?
brisk cradle
Makes sense when the left calls to defund the police.
Which just reinforces the leftโs desire to defund them.
feral sparrow
Yep, I mixed up cause and effect
small root
The pictures of seeing these people in the senate chamber, offices, etc is so embarrassing
copper flower
some of them look like tourists, which would be pretty funny if they weren't dangerous
small root
Just sums up how much of a joke this country has been for a while
copper flower
also, quite a lot of them look like 60+. Who in that age thinks "hey lets storm the government building, it will be fun!"
small root
Lmao
small root
I switched to BBC to see other views earlier and they were airing Star Trek
drifting arch
good
dusky raft
which series?
small root
I donโt know I switched away immediately
sudden wyvern
icic
near glen
state choco
small root
I thought they had a chancellor or something
near glen
we got a federalism over here
sudden wyvern
OH state. oop
plush crypt
Norway has 5 presidents 
near glen
also, the terrorist, turned back from the capitol by armed forces, are now attacking the reporters https://mobile.twitter.com/shomaristone/status/1346941715895250949
small root
I know nothing about the government structure of any country other than USA and slightly UK and Canada
near glen
germany is a federalism as much as the US is. it just actually works
sudden wyvern
Oh. The media? You mean the "enemy of the people?" Why ever would they attack the media?
(/s)
near glen
as in, the states talk to each over and enact combined rules against covid for example
small root
Iโm sure if we had another shot at making a government we wouldnโt do the same dumb shit we did 250 years ago
Actually
We would do worse
near glen
thats what am always saying
the biggest issue of the US is that they never had a chance to rewrite the consitution
we did multiple times in the last century, lol
small root
Well, we can change it
dusky raft
its very difficult to amend the constitution in the US
small root
I mean itโs effectively changing it
near glen
bvut I dont mean small adjustment. I mean the full rewrite we did after hitler for example
fixing mistakes
dusky raft
not only does have to pass congress by a super majority, 3/4th of states need to ratify it to take effect
feral sparrow
A multi party system would be nice, the two-party system doesn't work.
small root
Yeah weโd need to have our country completely destroyed like Germany was for that to happen mini
near glen
yeah, thats what am saying, we had that chance multiple times
feral sparrow
Of course the people in power would be less likely to get re-elected with a multi-party system so it's never going to happen.
near glen
and so had other countries in europe
restive seal
An amendment could be pretty much a total rewrite though. Just incredibly hard to get through.
dusky raft
the federal government cant just change the rules and tell the states to go fuck themselves
sudden wyvern
A multi party system would be nice, the two-party system doesn't work.
๐ They have a direct example of a multi-party plurality electoral system just north of them
small root
No the entire thing can be amended I believe
sudden wyvern
I think we have like 5 representing parties at the moment
Still 3 major ones at play, but ye
small root
Besides the constitution is only followed if the people in power and controlling the judges want to follow it
dusky raft
amendments can scrap everything, as parts have been tossed out before using amendments, I think the 12th is a good example
thorny wing
yes, it's fair game for an amendment to change whatever it wants, nothing is untouchable
dusky raft
The Twelfth Amendment (Amendment XII) to the United States Constitution provides the procedure for electing the president and vice president. It replaced the procedure provided in Article II, Section 1, Clause 3, by which the Electoral College originally functioned. The amendment was proposed by the Congress on December 9, 1803, and was ratified by the requisite three-fourths of state legislatures on June 15, 1804. The new rules took effect for the 1804 presidential election and have governed all subsequent presidential elections.
thorny wing
but the process to is lengthy and unlikely to be a thing again in the coming years with how divided the states are along the same political lines as the rest of us
dusky raft
It was designed to be a bitch to pass anything through that is unpopular even if the federal government passed the amendment
thorny wing
edited that, it has clearly happened, meant in the recent future
tough cedar
lol the video, guy yells into the mic "fuck cnn" but just seconds before the camera focused on the boxes that said "AP" on them
small root
Thing is everything is unpopular these days
sweet canyon
Going to be interesting to see if people try to stay with the curfew and start getting arrested.
So do they come back tomorrow to continue or do they find another location?
near glen
nobody knows yet
they thought about just continuing in the undisclosed save location they are at
near glen
one would hope they are prepared now
sweet canyon
Does the curfew apply to the press or is that something else?
sweet canyon
Okay cool
stiff terrace
Why did the rioters storm the building? was something important happening today?
near glen
curfew should never extend to press
weary obsidian
this was trumps last ability to try to steal the election
drifting arch
wtf trump supporters on his little private hivemind reddit clone are calling for martial law
sweet canyon
this was trumps last ability to try to steal the election
Looks like this was the goal to get their hands on? https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1346950091924533248?s=19
sweet canyon
And the question was just asked
sweet canyon
Mayor of DC just got asked if it would be been different if it was BLM protest.
shut vine
Yeah, they'd label it as mostly peaceful instead.
sudden wyvern
Mayor of DC just got asked if it would be been different if it was BLM protest.
I'd damn well hope not 
It's still terrorism regardless of what group with which you associate
Unless they were referring to the lenience of the police, in which case yeah, I'd be interested to know that as well
sudden wyvern
State-controlled news is so much better! ๐ (/s)
shut vine
Looks like it's covered in liquid tbh
I'd assume petrol if they're suggesting they are going to light it on fire.
near glen
yeah ppl reported before there were molotov cocktails
man, watching vids like this https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1346911809274478594
they are just walking in, one poor guy defending the hearth of your democraty
near glen
absolutely nothing
near glen
too many
sudden wyvern
Would enrage
shut vine
Yea it's pretty similar to outside too.. looked like a couple of police vs a huge crowd.
languid patio
Yo if y'all across the pond need a place to stay you can sleep on my couch.
sweet canyon
Why was there only 1?
sudden wyvern
At the BLM protests they had larger numbers and military equipment lol
sudden wyvern
For some reason, here they have small batons and the odd pistol
languid patio
Glare come hang out until the US is safe again.
sweet canyon
Lol
feral sparrow
Storming the capital is worse than rioting in cities. One is trying to overthrow the government and the other is a protest with people taking advantage of the situation.
sudden wyvern
Expect Glare to stay for a few years ๐
sweet canyon
I got a chuckle out of pence unfollowing Trump briefly on Twitter.
shut vine
They're both terrorism though.
thorny wing
I mean theyre both pretty awful, this is probably worse, especially legally
wouldnt really recommend anyone do either though
shut vine
Yeah, trespass on federal property is a fairly serious crime, though doubt they'll focus on that unless they can't prove terrorism.
thorny wing
they wont press terrorism unless there's a specific threat
it takes too long
trespassing is ezpz
sudden wyvern
Holy shit lol
https://twitter.com/lotoysrus/status/1346903101723320322
Twitter
sweet canyon
Twitter
thorny wing
oh boy
sudden wyvern
"It's a revolution" while saying her name and location
sweet canyon
Oh lord
thorny wing
she probably doesnt have a job anymore assuming she works at anything bigger than like a local walmart
shut vine
Only one way to find out.
sweet canyon
That's a good question, I didn't fully understand it. Maybe there will be a tweet.
thorny wing
probably some BS
near glen
its a stupid question tbh
thorny wing
just some generic we take all blah blah seriously
near glen
ye
sweet canyon
weary obsidian
sweet canyon
https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1346950145041055746?s=19
This is a new thing for Facebook to do, isn't it?
Twitter
https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1346950145041055746?s=19
This is a new thing for Facebook to do, isn't it?
Twitter
https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1346950145041055746?s=19
This is a new thing for Facebook to do, isn't it?
Twitter
feral sparrow
I think that is lighting, not fire
sudden wyvern
Yeah there's no way they're standing in fire. + it's smokey
Shame that woman died though
sudden wyvern
Unsurprising given where she was shot
sweet canyon
near glen
oh ppl will remember this day, I am sure
sand shale
Twitter
near glen
feral sparrow
RIP, you now can't reply, retweet, or like Trump's tweet
sweet canyon
He's doing speedruns.
languid patio
What the fuck with that last tweet...
sudden wyvern
It was unclear why the president, who is still the commander in chief, did not give the order.
๐ because it's what he wants
languid patio
"That's what you get, bitches! Btw be peaceful. But not really, because I'm a twat."
tough cedar
all his messages today saying to be peaceful were kinda pathetic really
sudden wyvern
That's an understatement lol
tough cedar
even weaker than his condemnations of white supremacy
sudden wyvern
What condemnations of white supremacy?
feral sparrow
He has condemned white supremacy
sweet canyon
Ejfjcjfjjejd look at pences banner https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence?s=09
Twitter
glossy sandal
That's mike and his wife
sudden wyvern
Ye
shut vine
feral sparrow
glossy sandal
In the video where the one guy was charging a police line inside you can see the other officers getting hit by something then rubbing his eyes
tough cedar
? i was just saying todays requests for peace were already weaker than the times he's condemned white supramecy
because .. they were pretty weak
shut vine
All of the conspiracy theorists can have a read.
glossy sandal
Were these before or after the stand down and stand by statement
glossy sandal
Hes made a lot of statements that he doesn't follow anymore
shut vine
So has every politician, welcome to politics.
restive seal
His actions counter his words, making them feel hollow.
glossy sandal
The stand down and stand by was during the debates
tough cedar
such as Charlottesville, where he did condemn white supremacy but then also blamed antifa
shut vine
He's made post 2020 debate statements too.
tough cedar
so, kinda weakened his overall statement
glossy sandal
languid patio
It's pretty clear he only strings together sentences and statements to fit whatever situation he's currently in. His recent video shows it pretty clearly. He's expected to advocate for peace, but he continues to fuel the fire. "Look I'm putting it out". It doesn't really make sense to take his words at face value because there's always so much bullshit weaved in.
"Oh but he said this one thing on multiple occasions" is pretty much a pointless argument. It doesn't mean anything.
shut vine
The question was if he'd denounced them, the unequivocal answer is yes
languid patio
So what?
shut vine
So the premise of the argument falls flat.
feral sparrow
ThonkToday at 5:09 PM
even weaker than his condemnations of white supremacy
ChocoToday at 5:09 PM
What condemnations of white supremacy?
tough cedar
i mean i think my argument still stands pretty well
shut vine
What a politician thinks is subjective, they all lie to us.
tough cedar
his condemnations are weak
shut vine
Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional
tough cedar
this instance was just even weaker than those were
languid patio
But why would you ever want to argue semantics about Trump?
That'll never get you anywhere about anything.
glossy sandal
No one is saying politications are not liars
shut vine
I'm not, I'm arguing specifics. You're arguing semantics.
languid patio
Yeah but what does it matter?
So he's said "bad things are bad", was that your point?
If so, then yeah, sure, whatever. Who cares.
shut vine
That's exactly a discussion I had a few days ago with zzCat I think. People condemning things a normal human condemns means nothing.
There is literally no benefit if Trump denounces any group.
It changes jack shit.
glossy sandal
Then why are you defending him saying he doesn't support them
near glen
hes the president. he said "we love you", he is encouraging this.
glossy sandal
All of the conspiracy theorists can have a read.
.
glossy sandal
"He denounces white supremacy here is linkzz!" "But it doesn't mean he does tho!"
shut vine
Denouncing white supremacy != not supporting them
restive seal
tough cedar
lol
shut vine
Saying someone made a specific statement does not say the nuance can be absolutely refuted.
He's a liar just like the rest of them.
near glen
hes actively inciting violence, thats what makes him different to the rest
shut vine
Well his statement didn't indicate that to me.
glossy sandal
No no it's ok he said no violence 3 years ago
foggy fern
elder portal
The man telling you that he doesn't condone the axe murderer at your door while directing the axe murderer to your door
shut vine
I mean, we're going to ignore that he made the opposite direction?
elder portal
Mafia bosses don't get their hands dirty, either
Doesn't make them good
Or innocent
weary obsidian
Twitter just followed FB and deleted Trumps tweets
plush crypt
languid patio
Damn
elder portal
Twitter just followed FB and deleted Trumps tweets
Iirc they're supposed to be forbidden from doing that. I wonder who pulled strings where to get that done
shut vine
Maybe to convince people he never told them to stop/go home/etc?
stiff terrace
what did he tweet
shut vine
Or maybe because they thought it'd incite more of this?
tough cedar
he tweeted his condemnation of what was happening the capitol as a video
but uhh.. it's gone now
stiff terrace
wtf they found explosives
shut vine
He posted a video, where he said the election was stolen, but let democracy do it's thing, stop the violence, go home, etc, I love you.
stiff terrace
this is what I get for looking away
plush crypt
They're not forbidden, Egg; they're allowed (required?) to when there's a risk for imminent harm towards an individual or the general public
elder portal
wtf they found explosives
Of course they did. I'm surprised nothing actually exploded
plush crypt
I guess someone determined there's risk
stiff terrace
Of course they did. I'm surprised nothing actually exploded
so far
sand shale
Twitter just followed FB and deleted Trumps tweets
fucking finally
tough cedar
i mean his condemnation was so weak it makes sense that they deleted it
it would be up if it was actually one
elder portal
If it's from official gov't accounts Twitter is supposed to leave them up, if I remember
tough cedar
but instead he spends half the video going on about how the election was stolen still
shut vine
I mean Biden's was weak too.
weary obsidian
its not an official account, its his personal
shut vine
It was more of a demand to Trump than anyone else.
elder portal
Apparently there's a special case revolving around presidential accounts, even if personal
tough cedar
and what would a condemnation from biden even do?
elder portal
Not entirely sure how that works
tough cedar
he's not the president
weary obsidian
when you include a message of "I agree with you, you are justified" in with your "go home", it doesnt help shit. thats why they deleted it
elder portal
^
He was good with "I understand that you're upset, go home" but then started going on about a stolen election
Can't, for one fucking second, make it not about him
sweet canyon
Yeah
shut vine
Presidential social media accounts all get archived by the National Archives and Records Administration, think that's the only specific rule.
weary obsidian
well he doesnt use the official one, so i wonder what theyll do w/ his personal
drifting arch
i think the official one retweets everything his personal one tweets
sweet canyon
Twitter
tough cedar
... really now...
drifting arch
how do they know
elder portal
i think the official one retweets everything his personal one tweets
Only select things
sudden wyvern
Yeah Isn't it an undisclosed location for a reason?
elder portal
Yeah <:ToadEyes:673503938921758740> Isn't it an undisclosed location for a reaso...
Federal NDA is a powerful thing
There's news there
They just can't say anything
Or they risk federal prison
drifting arch
i wonder if the 25th is gbing to actually be invoked :o
elder portal
Or worse
loud flax
@near glen just so we're clear, I do not support what those people are doing. I'd much prefer people who are able to meet in a civil manner, not take matters into their own hands like this. Problem is they're following a line of thinking and believing it so strongly that they're willing to carry out violence to get their way... simply outrageous
feral sparrow
I hope the 25th is invoked.
drifting arch
me too
sand shale
i wonder if the 25th is gbing to actually be invoked :o
I hope so
tough cedar
i don't think they'll do it
elder portal
We'll see
tough cedar
even now i don't think they would
glossy sandal
Maybe to convince people he never told them to stop/go home/etc?
Conspiracy theorists be malding today
tough cedar
i would be honestly extremely surprised if they did
feral sparrow
Someone hacked his twitter and that was a deepfake! /s
tough cedar
because i don't really even see it as the republican party anymore and more of the party of trump
shut vine
It would likely be a political misstep if they did.
feral sparrow
must have been using MAGA2020! or yourefired as a password again
tough cedar
mmm idk about that james
shut vine
At least before the votes are certified.
Actually he's still technically the majority leader, not that it's an official position.
shut vine
mmm idk about that james
The problem if they remove Trump is Pence becomes President. Which means there is no Vice President, thus no President of the Senate. In which case the Senate has to choose a new President of the Senate in order to certify results.
shut vine
I think president of the senate is picked via super majority too.
That being said I think that makes Pelosi president on the 20th then?
near glen
If that delays the count a few days, who cares. It's the signal that counts. Even a president is responsible for what he does and can't do whatever the fuck he thinks about
shut vine
The problem is it could theoretically delay it indefinitely.
stiff terrace
Is the situation still happening
tough cedar
i mean i think they're all out of the capitol now
shut vine
Nah, they emptied capitol building an hour or so ago.
tough cedar
i stopped watching a bit ago though so idk whats happening now
shut vine
Pretty sure it would have been something like fully armed members of National Guard start clearing rooms and people noped the fuck out.
near glen
Well, there's also the sources saying that trump refused to activate them and pence had to do it
drifting arch
i believe it
loud flax
oh man
A woman was shot inside the Capitol by a member of law enforcement and later died, several law enforcement officials said
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/1-shot-dead-congress-evacuated-national-guard-activated-after-pro-trump-rioters-storm-capitol/ar-BB1cwWAC?li=BBnb7Kz
sand shale
happy first week of 2021 everyone
drifting arch
fr
drifting arch
loud flax
hwy now
i'm still working at home, been doing so since march, so it's an additional happy new year to me and anyone else who is still doing so
shut vine
The whole thing was dumb.
Should have just protested peacefully.
Ruins it for anyone who wanted to just do so peacefully.
sweet canyon
Ooo so they are proceeding in an hour.
shut vine
Yeah makes sense.
National Guard is probably there now.
Realistically they could never have done anything to affect the process, it's going to happen. They're just wasting everyone's time, making themselves look horrible, and wasting taxpayer money.
sand shale
They locked Trump's twitter account for 12 hours.
Source?
foggy fern
The TV said so ๐
sweet canyon
Twitter
foggy fern
Why is this guy in the gallery with flexcuffs? Looking for hostages? https://i.imgur.com/e2s7UXT.png
tough cedar
gotta come prepared you know?
sweet canyon
Inb4 Joe tweets at trump "Wyd?"
foggy fern
sweet canyon
Yup
foggy fern
Rand Paul says they aren't going to contest any more states
They're going to finish the debate on Arizona, vote to give it to Biden, then read through the rest of the states and get it over with
sweet canyon
Awesome
foggy fern
They don't want to go through this again tomorrow, I guess
sweet canyon
I don't think anyone would
shut vine
Well realistically there is no likely change in outcome if Arizona doesn't get changed, since it was the state with the most inconsistencies I think.
Er, not inconsistencies.
Possible problems is more accurate.
foggy fern
Well, the original plan was to contest like 8 of them and drag this out for 20 hours
shut vine
Yeah, figures.
foggy fern
Twitter
sand shale
glossy sandal
is it continuing now
sand shale
yea
elder portal
Looks like nbc is saying Republicans aren't going to keep going with the fraud allegations any more
foggy fern
Trying to find a post about it, apparently Facebook gave Trump a 24 hour timeout
Twitter
glossy sandal
cant wait to see what he'll say when he gets unbanned
foggy fern
foggy fern
She just lost her job and almost got eaten by a mob
As Representative Paul Gosar of Arizona began to speak, officers in the House chamber began locking doors and telling members not to leave and that the building was about to go into lockdown. Senior lawmakers including Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Steve Scalise, the second-ranking Republican in the House, were all escorted out.
As debate resumed again, Representative Dean Phillips, a Minnesota Democrat, screamed โthis is all because of you.โ Then lawmakers were told they needed to stay in their seats, then that they should duck and cover and that tear gas had been released and they should put on gas masks that were under their seats.
Soon after, pounding on the main door to the House floor -- the door that the president enters when he delivers the State of the Union address -- grew louder and officers began to barricade it with any furniture they could find. From the other side, a protester began to smash glass in the door and the police drew their weapons and shouted โBack away or weโll shoot!โ
glossy sandal
jesus
foggy fern
(technically we brought the war of 1812 upon ourselves too)
US thought Canada looked real sexy and wanted some of that, British kicked them out so hard they burned down DC along the way
foggy fern
Twitter
glossy sandal
shovel somebodies neighbor
glossy sandal
is this the first one to keep objecting since they met again
foggy fern
They just went like an hour without cutting in on MSNBC
They cut in on the guy still trying to do something for Trump
sand shale
I can't tell you noman, these news places are morons
glossy sandal
washingtonpost yt hasnt cut so far i left after nbc did
sand shale
both PBS and NBC
glossy sandal
foggy fern
MSNBC just switched to the House, they're getting going again
sand shale
link?
foggy fern
Paid or TV
clear maple
Twitter
clear maple
Paid or TV
you can watch the house here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzWS7gJX5Z8
this should be free also https://www.c-span.org/event/?507698/senate-resumes-day-violent-protests
for the Senate
foggy fern
Wait who was in PogChamp?
It sounds like they're saying they removed it because of who it was
Its a depiction of Gootecks from CrossCounterTV
Oh.... oh
Yeah I can see why they'd want to ensure no one thinks they're connected
feral sparrow
At least it's better than the time twitter users claimed it was racist
sand shale
Is that a phone ringing
sand shale
lmao
foggy fern
Might have been a timer, otherwise cell service is turned back on
Guess they turned it off while they were clearing the area
foggy fern
If you don't want them to talk over it I think that'd be CSPAN
sand shale
is there a link?
foggy fern
Senate and Joint are the working tabs on that one, for some reason they didn't move to the House feed when they split off for debate
foggy fern
Oh shit I'm missing Ron Johnson
Wait no that's Angus King, misleading thumbnail ๐
glossy sandal
mo brooks
glossy sandal
man just rambled like that one uncle at thanksgiving that won't stop yelling at the kids
foggy fern
Fuck Mo Brooks
With a pineapple. SIdeways.
Lindsey Graham is up
Surprisingly good take from Graham, sounds like he pulled his head out of Trump's ass
Time to see how they vote
drifting arch
finally here we go
drifting arch
theyre kinda quiet
tough cedar
i can hear them
foggy fern
They aren't mic'ed up
drifting arch
i can hear them tho
tough cedar
drifting arch
gotta listen
glossy sandal
i hear some of thems ay something
tough cedar
is where i'm watching
drifting arch
they're all saying "no" so far 
tough cedar
i can hear them pretty well
glossy sandal
cruz said no?
foggy fern
Some of them yell loud enough for her mic to pick up, some don't
So long as she hears them it's fine and will be recorded at the end anyway
drifting arch
oh one of them said "ay"
foggy fern
Kennedy did
drifting arch
ill pee on her grave
foggy fern
Senator from Louisiana
drifting arch
are they asking all 100 senators atm?
foggy fern
Yes, this is the vote
sweet canyon
Yeah sounds like it
drifting arch
o ok
sweet canyon
So 2 yes so far?
drifting arch
3 i think
sweet canyon
So they are going to delay for 6 hours?
glossy sandal
they need majority say ya to do it?
foggy fern
If a majority of both houses says yes they discard the votes
House was never going to vote yes and it was very unlikely the Senate would
drifting arch
oh house is voting too? i think im only watching senate, ive only got half the story
f
foggy fern
House isn't done debating yet, they got started again later
drifting arch
ah
foggy fern
They're like an hour behind
sweet canyon
Going to be a late night if they are delaying for 6 hours.
foggy fern
Did Tubberville say aye?
drifting arch
yes
raven hearth
Electoral votes are essentially house reps + senators. (in number only). So is reasonable for them both to affirm the election.
foggy fern
2 hours per state they contest
Some Senators have said they aren't going to contest anymore and implied that was a decision from the whole group
sweet canyon
So what if both majority leaders say no?
foggy fern
So after the House finishes they should just have to go through the motions of Pence saying his bit 47 more times and it being confirmed 47 more times
Say no to what?
sweet canyon
Objecting
foggy fern
They don't get to play games on whether the vote can be brought for this one, it's a forced thing
sweet canyon
Ahh
foggy fern
If one Senator and one Representative contest a state the debate has to happen and the vote has to happen
raven hearth
Ultimately. Individual congressmen can object by going out of line with the majority/minority leaders.
foggy fern
Only if it's contested
raven hearth
They don't "HAVE" to debate for 2 hours though.
sweet canyon
And the first one was, yes?
glossy sandal
only arizona is being contested right now or all of them still being contested
foggy fern
Otherwise Pence just reads off his "certificate from blah blah appears to be in order", hands it to a Senator, and they confirm it's in order
Then they ask if anyone objects, if no one does they move on to the next state
sweet canyon
Oh so it's only arizona
raven hearth
So far.
foggy fern
They did Alabama and Alaska then got to Arizona and Gomar and Cruz objected
Sorry, Gosar
So they started the debate then people stormed the building
raven hearth
Now. The pundits indicate that most of the congresspeople will get their 2 cents in, and then let the process move on. Not drag the process out as much as they originally planned.
foggy fern
Republicans had planned to contest 8 states, each of them taking probably 3 hours to get through (2 hours for debate plus time before/after for voting and moving around)
sweet canyon
That's so long holy crap
foggy fern
Now they say they want to get this over with so won't contest anymore
glossy sandal
just to spite biden win smh
drifting arch
6 Yea, 93 Nay. 1 Missing?
foggy fern
Yep
drifting arch
Who's the one missing?
foggy fern
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
foggy fern
Yeah
raven hearth
6 = the number objecting. So the objection does not stand
drifting arch
oh I suppose the last one would be...biden?
sweet canyon
We have to wait an hour and a half for the next state?
raven hearth
They have sworn in the new congress-people. So couldn't be biden
drifting arch
oh ok
foggy fern
Biden hasn't been in the Senate since 2008
raven hearth
oh yeah. That too
drifting arch
You can tell I'm an idiot
foggy fern
Harris was there today though
raven hearth
hmm
foggy fern
Guess she hasn't resigned yet
sweet canyon
This is my first election I've been old enough to vote in so I'm fairly new to this.
Sorry for all the questions
sweet canyon
So do we have to wait an hour for the house the finish to go of the next state?
foggy fern
Yeah, probably about an hour
sweet canyon
Oh wow
foggy fern
Senate is doing some "normal" business to kill time and try to convince Hawley to stop trying to contest things
Hawley is apparently a holdout, he still plans to contest the vote in Pennsylvania
valid falcon
I missed the vote count
foggy fern
6/93/1
drifting arch
6 yea, 93 nay
valid falcon
Tyty
foggy fern
Hawley was the first Senator to say he would help the crazies in the House contest a state then the others piled on to get the attention
valid falcon
Ugh. Gross.
sweet canyon
Going to be a long night
valid falcon
Iโm cooking. So Iโm glad someone is keeping watch of the counting.
foggy fern
Hawley and Cruz have been using it to do fundraising, they claim it's to help with lawsuits and such but most of it goes to their campaigns
And they both posted fundraising messages while people were storming the building
drifting arch
oh boy
glossy sandal
wow
foggy fern
Looks like it was deleted from Twitter, trying to find a copy
glossy sandal
what this man just said certain countries political violence may be necessary
drifting arch
oh my god
glossy sandal
yes
valid falcon
Gaetz?
glossy sandal
matt gaetz
drifting arch
This guy...
foggy fern
Twitter
valid falcon
Proof Iโm cooking amd not lazy lol
foggy fern
Shit like this is why the Senate considers the House to be full of children
glossy sandal
wrong channel tresswa?
foggy fern
Not that they've been doing much better lately but still
valid falcon
No, Iโm just saying I normally would be looking this up and listening to what theyโre saying , and Iโm asking questions like a fool as I fry thia
sand shale
whats going on
valid falcon
Oh wow. Ty
foggy fern
The House is where all the children are, remember? ๐
drifting arch
:/
foggy fern
iirc they had like 70 of them
sand shale
Does the side (YEA vs NAY) with the most win?
foggy fern
Yeah, it's a simple majority in both chambers for this vote
Senate already voted it down though so the House vote doesn't even matter
sand shale
Just gotta do it to say they did, basically?
foggy fern
Yeah, it's required
sand shale
Ah
foggy fern
And it gets it on the record for future attack ads and fundraising ๐
valid falcon
Ugh god
restive seal
What was the senate result
glossy sandal
96-3
foggy fern
What was the senate result
6/93/1
drifting arch
6/93/1
glossy sandal
oh yeah
sand shale
and that is?
glossy sandal
for nay
sand shale
yea/nay/???
drifting arch
6 yea, 93 nay, 1 did not vote
sand shale
ah
valid falcon
50 now wtf
restive seal
Yeah/Nay/uwu
foggy fern
Technically there are 4 states: yea, nay, present, and not present
restive seal
Who are the six senators trying to drown democracy?
glossy sandal
kennedy, cruz are 2
foggy fern
Cruz, Hawley, Hyde-Smith, Kennedy, Marshall, and Tuberville
Dunno who didn't vote yet
sand shale
Those voting against the results of the American election were: Senators Josh Hawley of Missouri, Ted Cruz of Texas, Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, Cindy Hyde-Smith of Mississippi, Senator Roger Marshall of Kansas and John Kennedy of Louisiana.
sweet canyon
Wait they are done for tonight?
foggy fern
No
restive seal
Every time I see his name, I'm surprised Cruz is doing pro trump things and not off being the zodiac killer fighting the guy who insulted him so much
foggy fern
I'm not even sure they're allowed to call it a day before they finish
drifting arch
Ok, just to be clear, this vote is to overturn the election right? So if the yeas had had it, we're talking about a vote in which Congress would decide the presidency and Trump would be reelected right?
sand shale
@restive seal https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1337480518074503170
Twitter
made me laugh
foggy fern
If the yeas have it they throw out the votes from that state
glossy sandal
just arizona's electors
restive seal
Oh it's worsse than that simple. One state at a time can be objected to
sweet canyon
So what just happened? I was out for a moment.
foggy fern
afaik there is no means for them to just reassign those votes, they just subtract them from the total
glossy sandal
house voting now
drifting arch
meaning what for the election? if they're thrown out, the election is recertified without that state or that state votes again?
foggy fern
Yeah they just subtract them from the 538 total and now you need half of the new total to win
drifting arch
foggy fern
For Arizona that would remove 11 votes so it'd go to 527 and you'd need 264 to win instead of 270
glossy sandal
so if the senate votes no the house vote doesn't matter anyways?
drifting arch
i see
foggy fern
Right, they both have to vote yea to throw the votes out
Which was never going to happen and to be honest I'm not actually sure they're even allowed to do when there is only one set of electors
There is a very good chance voting yea here would do literally nothing
raven hearth
Listening to some news coverage. And heard them mention my state's name. Irritates me when my congressperson says something - they will then say "The State of X is objecting". Although technically correct, frustrates me to no end to be dragged into their shenanigans
valid falcon
Well, thereโs a well document recent history of holding pointless votes i guess..
restive seal
Don't forget on the 11th the president gets to roll two dice in front of the chief justice of the supreme court and if he gets snake eyes the results are flipped.
foggy fern
Unless Biden has a reverse card
restive seal
22nd amendment
sand shale
Don't forget on the 11th the president gets to roll two dice in front of the chi...
What?
restive seal
Uno is on the 13th, amaranth
drifting arch
He's joking kash
glossy sandal
on jan 15th they hold the 2nd national vote
elder portal
Congress may 5th amendments Trump- apparently his immediate removal is roumored to be voted on
restive seal
Kashike I'm just kidding. But did you notice your latest commit hash on adventure spells out gullible?
foggy fern
It's hard to tell what is real and what is fake with the US election shit
It has almost as much pointless bullshit as UK's Parliament
elder portal
It's posterity at this point
foggy fern
Congress may 5th amendments Trump- apparently his immediate removal is roumored ...
25th Amendment, most people haven't read it as allowing Congress to do that on their own but you certainly can read it like that and Pelosi started doing so this year
elder portal
25th* sorry
Missed a 2
Yeah, it's not really designed to be weaponized
But if the insurrection act can be, then..
I suppose so can 25th
foggy fern
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
elder portal
Again, rumours at this point, but Trump is looking at the insurrection act
According to rumours
Not fact afaik, but I wouldn't be surprised
foggy fern
That has normally been read as VP and (majority of Cabinet or other body Congress picks) but you could read it as (VP and majority of Cabinet) or other body Congress picks
In fact I do think that second way makes more sense but that's not how it was taught to me in school or how I ever heard anyone talk about it before this year
House says they're out of time but votes are still coming in
Uh, did Kevin McCarthy really thank the Capitol Police for ensuring the House chamber wasn't breached?
I guess he must have meant while the Representatives were still inside because there were definitely people in there too
drifting arch
can these old farts figure out their tech and finish voting already
wow 1 dem for yea
foggy fern
wtf
drifting arch
wonder who tf that was
foggy fern
I can't believe they got over 100 Republicans to go along with this, I guess their numbers grew since the last time I paid attention to them
drifting arch
ridiculous
foggy fern
Before Hawley got involved on the Senate side I think it was like 12
valid falcon
LOL omfg
drifting arch
they fat fingered their electronic voting device 
foggy fern
Yeah, I figured someone fat fingered it
I think it went away once before too so perhaps two of them did it
shut vine
The inability to serve requires the cabinet majority. If Trump contests it then Congress must vote 2/3rds to confirm the removal.
foggy fern
Cabinet majority or a body Congress picks
valid falcon
They can still kick him to the street
shut vine
Congress has not officially decided on a method, which means they have to vote to decide it.
valid falcon
They should kick him now. Inciting terrorism? He broke his oath of office so many many tunes.
sand shale
Decided on what?
valid falcon
*times
shut vine
Trump can just veto any decision, thus we're back to 2/3rds.
sand shale
Voting on something new?
restive seal
I can't believe they got over 100 Republicans to go along with this, I guess the...
Purity test for who is a real republican
valid falcon
Wait. James, what are you specifically referring to?
Are you taking about these proceeeings?
shut vine
The 25th amendment has provision for Congress to decide on a method for Congress itself to remove a President. Otherwise the majority of the Cabinet must decide to remove the president in the event he is unable to serve his duties as president.
foggy fern
TIL Reagan was badass enough to get a colonoscopy without sedation but Bush 2 wasn't so had to invoke the 25th to turn over power to Cheney for a couple hours while he recovered from the sedatives
raven hearth
House/Senate procedures are not laws. Hence don't need signed by the president.
shut vine
However they must vote to decide that method, but no Congress has ever decided on the method by which to invoke it, thus... they must vote.
The vote would have to be confirmed like any other bill.
valid falcon
Thatโs articles of impeachment
foggy fern
I don't think the 25th says they have to vote to pick that group but since it has to be both chambers a vote is the only way
raven hearth
Yes procedures must be voted upon if presented. But doesn't involve the executive branch
foggy fern
Oh no it says "may by law provide"
shut vine
It's not decided by procedure, it's decided by constitutional law.
foggy fern
A law would imply it has to get signed by the President or override a veto
raven hearth
Oh. Well yeah. I would concede on that.
sand shale
So wait
foggy fern
lol, Pelosi telling them "if you voted GTFO"
shut vine
I am not 100% certain, but what I've read by constitutional experts suggests it would have to be passed into law first.
sand shale
Are they voting for impeachment? Or are you guys just going "if.."
raven hearth
"if"
sand shale
ah ok
drifting arch
last i heard they were drawing up articles, but they havent yet
foggy fern
"if" and the 25th, not impeachment
shut vine
There are rumors that cabinet is thinking about invoking the 25th.
foggy fern
Some trade groups have called on them to do so
shut vine
But it technically should only be invoked if he us unable to fulfill his duties as President.
sand shale
Someone without a brain cannot fulfill duties :p
shut vine
Considering cabinet are sworn members of government it's probably treason to invoke it because he's an idiot.
valid falcon
Not unable, it can be invoked in any situation deemed necessary
foggy fern
Inciting a coup attempt is a bit beyond idiot ๐
raven hearth
I'll believe the 25th being invoked when I see it. As things sit tonight, I don't see it happening.
Similar with impeachment. I believe the articles of impeachment will be presented - but unless things escalate further by the President - I don't believe the sentiment is strong enough against him to go further than just being impeached. (within the GOP)
valid falcon
Itโs โbe concerned for nuclear launch codesโ level
foggy fern
transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office
shut vine
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
He has to be unable to discharge the powers and duties of office.
raven hearth
One could argue he is mentally deranged.
shut vine
law provide
foggy fern
Ilhan Omar says she is drafting articles of impeachment, not that they'll ever get voted on
shut vine
So the body of Congress that may decide has to be appointed by a law.
foggy fern
Apparently 3 people dropped dead in the middle of all of this
Heart attack, stroke, etc
shut vine
There was the one shot by police, didn't know about the other two.
foggy fern
Plus the 1 who was shot
shut vine
Oh okay.
foggy fern
4 people total
restive seal
Amazes me how long it takes to collect all the votes in the house
shut vine
So they basically did the "over my dead body" regarding Biden.
foggy fern
It's extra complicated to collect them now because they have to come in to the chamber in voting groups
And I'm sure a bunch of them are missing their groups
121/303/??
foggy fern
Shouldn't it be 14?
restive seal
But yeah, this one is over.
sweet canyon
So Arizona will stay?
drifting arch
Just a really dumb reason to die.
tough cedar
yea, get smarter next time u try and stage a coup
tough cedar
this is the closest i ever want to be to a coup in the U.S
foggy fern
That looks like it's inside the capitol building so if that officer isn't fired tomorrow...
raven hearth
Have a friend on FB that was in DC for the march/rally. Was relieved to hear they were not part of the rioters... Just can't imagine making a 20 hour road trip... for such a meaningless purpose (even before the mob behavior transpired)
foggy fern
raven hearth
Although. They are quick to blame "antifa" ๐ฆ Mirroring the President's refusal to to acknowledge he has some extremist followers. It is okay to acknowledge that not all of them are extremists...
sweet canyon
We're up to 4 deaths now
foggy fern
Yeah my aunt earlier tried to tell me all the people breaking in to the building were Soros antifa plants
sweet canyon
Twitter
foggy fern
Just before my mom said it was fine the police were so nice to them but not BLM protesters because black people are more violent
It was not a great day for familial relations
raven hearth
As a resident of a GOP stronghold Grateful my immediate family are sane. Extended family.... not so much, politically
sweet canyon
So are they literally walking all the way over there to vote on 1 state and then they go back?
foggy fern
My grandpa mostly has his heart in the right place but is gullible and doesn't understand some of the half-truths and exaggerations he sees when my grandma is watching OANN so ends up just getting angry because he doesn't believe them but they sound so believable
My grandma and aunt watch OANN and follow qanon stuff on facebook
My mom seems like a 4chan troll on /pol/ half the time
sweet canyon
Can they not just stay over in the combined place? It's a lot of steps on their poor feet.
foggy fern
Most of the rest of my mom's side of the family seem like mild Trump supporters, mostly because he has an R next to his name
They don't really pay attention to politics
raven hearth
Extended family christmas... There was a lengthy conversation about how FoxNews has gotten rid of their conservative newscasters. So where the rest of the family needs to get their news from now.
foggy fern
The uncle on my dad's side I'm closest to thinks gay marriage being legal means in 20 years we'll legalize pedophilia but is otherwise an almost socialist democrat
He is a Catholic so I guess that makes sense
Wait McConnell's wife is going to resign from the Cabinet in protest?
raven hearth
oof. should stay on for 25th amendment if it has to be invoked...
foggy fern
So far the Social Secretary, Deputy Press Secretary, and First Lady's Chief of Staff have resigned today and the rumor is the Transportation Secretary will too
sweet canyon
We might get through As!
sweet canyon
Onto D's!
drifting arch
wat
foggy fern
They go through the states alphabetically
drifting arch
ah
sweet canyon
Have they ever said it doesn't look authentic?
foggy fern
That's what the objection is for
foggy fern
I think they showed the outside of the White House earlier on MSNBC and were talking about how it looked like he wasn't up
raven hearth
Objections have taken place in previous elections. This is the only time I am aware that it has received such press though.
foggy fern
I guess when they took away Twitter he stopped popping more adderall
sweet canyon
Dear lord
raven hearth
Dang Georgia
foggy fern
Let's see if they get a Senator
raven hearth
oh nice. ๐
sudden wyvern
oh shoot I'm missing out on the vote!?
drifting arch
yes
sweet canyon
Yes
drifting arch
u dum
sudden wyvern
watching now
bleak echo
lol the georgia objection
foggy fern
Even without a Senator they'll get up there just so they can say their piece
bleak echo
just got shot down
foggy fern
The Democrats did it in 2000 and 2016, no Senators for any of them
There was a Senator for one in 2004
raven hearth
One thing I find interesting. Is the line about it being the only form from the state. Which does give reasonable explanation for the vehicle of objecting. Ideally... not for political purposes.
foggy fern
Yeah that's what happened in 1876
Three states tried to set up multiple governments for the state that all claimed to be official and send electors
foggy fern
Civil War and all
foggy fern
I'm not sure there is a legal way for them to not continue on
raven hearth
More of "when" the recess ended.
sand shale
I mean after earlier, continuing today and not tomorrow or something
foggy fern
I suspect the parliamentarian could find something but I don't think the 12th Amendment or the law (forget which one it is) has anything for delaying, they didn't think it would take long enough to matter
shut vine
I was under the impression the special joint session continues over days unless they decide.
raven hearth
Could probably delay - but needs to be first item of any congressional action till complete. idk, no expert
shut vine
Anything else would seem insane to me.
foggy fern
I guess the 12th at least also doesn't say they can't recess and pick it up tomorrow
bleak echo
i mean it probably wouldn't get taken to court unless the delay was percieved as political
shut vine
Yeah that's what makes sense to me. They can't just end the session without deciding, but they can recess.
bleak echo
but i imagine at this point they just want this to be over with
bleak echo
and the n's and o's :p
foggy fern
pfft Ohio isn't real
bleak echo
and oregon doesn't even deserve a mention, clearly
not to mention nebraska, north dakota, north carolina, and maybe more
foggy fern
North Dakota shouldn't be real
sand shale
north north
drifting arch
so, im kind of a noob, but, earlier y'all were saying senate will debate 2 hrs per state that objected. how many objected? do they debate anyway, even tho they are currently certifying? or do they only debate if the house reps for a state object and a senator concurs?
glossy sandal
wasnt there a thing for north and south dakota to form 1 dakota
foggy fern
No if there is an objection signed by a member of both chambers they immediately move to debate
drifting arch
i see
sweet canyon
Why is she objecting Michigan
foggy fern
So far that has only happened for Arizona
sweet canyon
Sit down
raven hearth
because it flipped.
drifting arch
lol
bleak echo
imagine having as little shame as these representatives
drifting arch
they stand just to talk and get shot down
bleak echo
it's like they had a school project due that they half-slapped together the morning of
foggy fern
iirc in 2001 something like a dozen separate Democrats stood up to object to Florida but couldn't get a Senator
sweet canyon
:(
drifting arch
bleak echo
lol
sweet canyon
:(
bleak echo
lol
raven hearth
End of the day. There is no real qualifications to be a congress-person. They'll let anyone do it if they can persuade the populace to believe their lines. But that's all of politics...
glossy sandal
don't they need to be a citizen for so long and a certain age
foggy fern
I think the most common profession is lawyer though
raven hearth
Yes. So basically be not dead.
bleak echo
yeah, but you can do that by being born in the US and doing a whole lot of nothing for however many years
foggy fern
You have to be at least 25, have been a citizen for at least 7 years, and live in the state you represent (not the district, although I think states can add that requirement?)
tough cedar
i've never watched a session of congress to count votes
glossy sandal
and be rich
tough cedar
lots of repetition here
bleak echo
yeah they love their formalities
glossy sandal
he hurting after that cheering
raven hearth
lmao. Makes me think of some thing that floated around the internet a few weeks ago. About sitting congress people getting prescriptions filled for alzheimer's medication, not sure if true but is scary to think about
glossy sandal
he hurting after that cheering
bleak echo
I forgot how many M and N states there were
sand shale
I guess they are standing just to make it formal that they had an objection, even without a senator to back it?
glossy sandal
make sure trump doesnt spew hate to them on twitter probably
"ruin their "careers""
sweet canyon
How would he do that? ๐
glossy sandal
trutter coming late 2021
bleak echo
his account is suspended now
glossy sandal
twitter but just trump
bleak echo
he'll just move to parler
foggy fern
New York should go back to its old name, New Amsterdam
glossy sandal
he's just suspended for 12 hours though isn't he
bleak echo
I thought it was 12 hours once he removes the tweets
sweet canyon
Unless he refuses to delete the tweets.
tough cedar
12 on twitter 24 on fb and 24 on instagram i believe
glossy sandal
gotta set an alarm to remind me when he get's unbanned wanna see what happens
sweet canyon
If he doesn't delete them, it's perm.
glossy sandal
they can't delete it?
foggy fern
They did (kind of) but he has to go do it too
glossy sandal
foggy fern
The tweets are gone right now
raven hearth
They "can". But by their own policies they won't
foggy fern
Or at least hidden unless you know the URL, haven't tried that
drifting arch
I've tried it
They're gone
If you go to the link, it just shows a page saying it's not available.
Here's the one where he was shit talking Pence https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346900434540240897
sand shale
ohio!
foggy fern
Oklahoma definitely isn't a real place
sweet canyon
Well the footage is out now of that lady getting shot. Apparently she tried to climb through a window and pence was on the other side so they shot her.
raven hearth
I am not aware of any legal injunctions that would prevent those social media sites from removing content. Just their own policies restrict themselves from deleting public figure posts, to attempt to keep the platform available to reach the people whenever possible.
bleak echo
don't you know it takes 8 shots to get someone holding a snack
tough cedar
i guess if they get to guard pence they're better trained
sweet canyon
She was an air force veteran and had posted stuff online prior claiming she was going to be doing all she could or something. I can find a source on that yet anymore.
tough cedar
or was it just a regular cop that shot her?
bleak echo
oh here we go
foggy fern
The better training is to shoot until you hear a click
Unless they get different training for dealing with a person in a crowd or something
raven hearth
Secret service wouldn't arm themselves with non-deadly force... (compared with having rubber bullets or similar)
foggy fern
Hawley you fucker
drifting arch
๐ฅด
bleak echo
ugh
glossy sandal
idk why you wouldn't expect to get shot charging into the capital building, breaking a window, and trying to climb in
drifting arch
God damn it
glossy sandal
they're all to it