Literally everyone in the world out to get our poor beaten hero
#politics
elder portal
Shame
I heard the whole Q anon thing finally died, though. That one bothered me. I wonder how many people will actually remember supporting that insane conspiracy?
valid falcon
Qanon in the United States is strong, unfortunately.
elder portal
I remember a recent article going on about how the main poster for that twitter account left
And it's been slowly dying
The defund movement also died, along with some more extreme aspects of BLM
valid falcon
It's been co-opted by a lot of forces now, each working to try to garner support from them.
elder portal
Though it seems like the BLM movement did some good, left a lasting impression in a few key places
foggy fern
Qanon isn't dead although the guy who was running it (Ron Watkins) is trying to take over the movement under his real name and without the Q bullshit so he can be the conspiracy whisperer as an adviser to politicians
elder portal
Wonder if the defund movement will do the same. Seems like police departments around here are starting to look at bringing psychologists, etc along now
That's a good step
valid falcon
The defund movement didn't die.
foggy fern
Or was it Jim Watkins? They are both involved somehow and I'm upset they share a name with me
elder portal
Well, they're not all completely dead, of course. I'm just wondering how "dead" they are now
foggy fern
elder portal
Ideas never really die
valid falcon
Just because you don't hear a lot of stuff from something doesn't mean that it isn't a force. Describing it as "dead" is not really reasonable.
foggy fern
Qanon absorbed basically all the other conspiracy theories
mystic ermine
last I knew BLM was somewhat of a "the news stopped caring about it"
foggy fern
The 9/11 truthers, flat earthers, lizard people'ers, etc
valid falcon
The BLM movement was a force in the November US elections. It will remain a central topic for several elections to come.
elder portal
Just because you don't hear a lot of stuff from something doesn't mean that it i...
Yeah, but you get my meaning. Of course they're not dead, I'm just wondering how much change they can accomplish with their current numbers
Hopefully enough
mystic ermine
some of it seemed to have calmed down when biden won, but, there's also some upset that afaik he's still refused to meet with them and even called them out
foggy fern
I was going to try to keep that going but devil worshipers'ers is just too silly
mystic ermine
So, god knows what's gonna happen there
valid falcon
Yeah, but you get my meaning. Of course they're not dead, I'm just wondering how...
I mean, characterization aside, a successful movement is not about generating headlines every 24 hours. I think the Trump era has confused us to the way things actually are.
elder portal
Jill Biden being a college professor will definitely help get education on the map, I just don't know how much
valid falcon
I mean, the damage to College funding during covid will do that on its own.
elder portal
I mean, characterization aside, a successful movement is not about generating he...
It definitely has. Though we've seen a lot more movements lately that are similar, so I'm trying to keep track of mergers, etc
foggy fern
Considering she's being attacked for having a doctorate and teaching while in the White House (Did Melania ever even live in the White House?) I don't have much hope on the education front
elder portal
Not everyone is going to like her, and that's fine
I just hope she gets some say in these things
valid falcon
Considering she's being attacked for having a doctorate and teaching while in th...
First Lady Melania has lived in the White House. If I am remembering correctly, it was a few months after the administation took haven that she finally moved in.
elder portal
Or at least gets the right people talking about it
valid falcon
Rumors were at the time that she wanted changes to the legal agreements with her husband.
foggy fern
She didn't live there until after school ended that first year, I know that
elder portal
Huh, weird
foggy fern
But I kept reading about her basically living somewhere else still as it was easier to get her son to/from school away from the madness that is the White House
valid falcon
But I kept reading about her basically living somewhere else still as it was eas...
Yes, that was only for the first few months of the Trump administration.
foggy fern
No, for the first few months she was still in New York
After that it was some place in the DC area
valid falcon
I just hope she gets some say in these things
I mean, considering that a select few first ladies have been able to wield political power in their positions to some effect, I guess that it is entirely possible.
Personally, my favorite conspiracy theory is that the doctors are out to get ya. I mean, of course they are. They're out to get ya healthy. Lol.
elder portal
I mean, considering that a select few first ladies have been able to wield polit...
She doesn't have to have any political power, she just has to remind her husband that the education system is lacking
It likely gets bumped up the list
valid falcon
She doesn't have to have any political power, she just has to remind her husband...
Well, that would seem to be the case. But historically some first ladies have had strong political influence in their role.
brisk cradle
Sounds about right.
shut vine
some of it seemed to have calmed down when biden won, but, there's also some ups...
He has met with some of them IIRC, and utterly dismissed them.
elder portal
I hope they do something
shut vine
Oh shit, that pinged probably.. I hate the new reply feature.
elder portal
But nothing is definitely better than stepping in the wrong direction
But ideally at least have us back where we were before a shit executive administration
We'll see
Hopefully
valid falcon
I think it is difficult, right? The status quo is a moving target. Getting things back where they were isn't easy. Four years of students have gone through systems. Infrastructure and circumstance has changed. New challenges are here.
elder portal
Yeah, I'll take nothing over more steps backwards
It's at least a curve in a less negative direction
But that's kinda a bare minimum
foggy fern
The only reference I can find to the Melania thing is in https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/inside-melania-trumps-complicated-white-house-life-separate-schedules-different-priorities/2018/05/06/60f6f07e-4703-11e8-9072-f6d4bc32f223_story.html
elder portal
Very low bars these days
valid falcon
I hope things will move swiftly. I really do. And I think politically it will be demanded. We'll have to see. Hopefully we won't have to settle for the bare minimum.
foggy fern
For months, a persistent rumor has floated around Washington that Melania doesn’t really live in the White House and stays in a house with her parents and Barron near his suburban Washington school.
“It’s 1,000 percent false. We laugh at it all the time,” Grisham said.
valid falcon
You're right, the bar is low. It should be a lot higher. We should expect more of our institutions.
I love WAPO.
foggy fern
They do seem to suggest that even if she doesn't "live" there she basically spends all her free time there
Although later the White House started saying her parents lived in the White House
elder portal
"all I want you to do is not throw everything into chaos and/or remove progressive legislature" is something I am fully confident the democratic party is capable of doing
It's a fucking low bar
But somehow the republican party has managed to get under it
valid falcon
I just hope that the nation can return to an intelligent point of conversation, appreciating facts, appreciating good journalism, expertise over mockery and lunacy...
mystic ermine
I have doubts there
elder portal
Well, Democrats have an at least recent history of progressive legislation and/or doing not much
So I think they can at least accomplish doing not much
But I would prefer the former
It sure as hell beats republican recent history
valid falcon
I don't think that is the fault of democrats when their bills don't even get brought up for debate in the republican controlled senate.
elder portal
To be fair, the democratic supermajority of 2009 did very little even while it had limited time
Which was a little unimpressive
But it wasn't backwards, so there's that
We'll see what happens now
valid falcon
Hm. Well, they got the ACA passed. And their political concerns were realized when they lost that majority 2 years later for the very reasons they held back.
elder portal
A narrow majority it may be, but a majority nonetheless
Yeah, I can understand why, but it was still wholely unimpressive
foggy fern
They didn't have 60 votes in the Senate for very long due to a death and only ever had it because of Lieberman who was very strongly against a lot of what the Democrats wanted to do
ACA would have had a public option but for Lieberman
elder portal
I wonder what's changed, if much now
foggy fern
They also wasted a bunch of time trying to guess ahead of time what compromises would make Republicans happier about things and trying to get them on board with anything
valid falcon
Uh. Are you sure that was due to Lieberman's efforts?
elder portal
There was an interview somewhat recently where Biden told a bunch of journalists that he's not going to hold punches. This I'd like to see for sure
elder portal
Yeah
valid falcon
That is going to be nearly impossible to bandaid.
elder portal
Yeah, that's something that needs fixing
foggy fern
That'll take decades to fix
It's easy to lose trust, can be almost impossible to gain it back
valid falcon
I think it will come down to if the American people pick a stable path over several elections. It really is down to the people.
elder portal
It's going to be a slow climb back, assuming the worst doesn't happen and we don't get another four years later
valid falcon
Stable path on international policy I mean
elder portal
Or four years of someone similar
valid falcon
I'm interested in Paul Ryan may run, again. He poked his head out with a statement a few days ago.
elder portal
We at least have four years of stability to look forward to
valid falcon
Let's say 2. Let's not get agead of ourselves
elder portal
Mm, right, senate and house
valid falcon
With the number of shutdowns the GOP has organized, lets not be too hasty
foggy fern
2022 Senate is pretty lopsided against Republicans
elder portal
I'd rather not think about the shutdowns
valid falcon
Is it? I haven't had the presence to start looking into those seats yet
brisk cradle
But Biden is the incumbent in 2022
valid falcon
You mean 24
foggy fern
There are 34 U.S. Senate seats up for regular election in 2022—13 seats held by Democrats and 21 held by Republicans as of November 2020.
elder portal
President is four years
brisk cradle
GOP will probably have a good 2022. They have redistricting control and the Senate remains an effective GOP gerrymander.
elder portal
Unless you're saying sitting president has an effect on house/senate results
Ah, yeah
foggy fern
2 of those Republicans are in states Biden won and a few of the rest were close
valid falcon
I will be interested to see if the Dems can take lessons from Georgia and reorganize their efforts across areas they traditionally don't push for.
brisk cradle
That is, unless Trump fucks it up. And he really could! He’s shown an ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
valid falcon
Certainly fundraising after 2016 for dems has changed drastically. I guess thanks in part to Sanders
elder portal
Tux is right, one of the biggest issues is the illegal tactics used in politics
valid falcon
I love how trump said that if he lost, he might leave the country, and that no one would ever see him again.
elder portal
Again, looking at California and its lines drawn by an independent third party
valid falcon
I mean, that is right up there with lysol...
elder portal
And Texas where the two largest democratic cities are drawn together
The stark contrast
foggy fern
Loeffler is out but Warnock will be up for reelection in 2022
brisk cradle
I easily saw the special election in Georgia going the GOP’s way.
valid falcon
Yea, gotta see if Georgia can stay.
valid falcon
I easily saw the special election in Georgia going the GOP’s way.
What no. Not at all.
elder portal
It's close
foggy fern
Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, New Hampshire
brisk cradle
Barely. Biden only won by 10,000+ votes after all.
foggy fern
Those are the 7 (or 6 now) races the Republicans have to worry about in 2022
valid falcon
It was always going to be close, but the chances for an upset now are almost none.
elder portal
Trump definitely didn't help the GOP at all
valid falcon
A narrow margin doesn't mean things have to be unpredictable.
elder portal
Which is somewhat hilarious
foggy fern
2 years is forever in politics but I predict Democrats pick up 5 seats in the Senate but lose the House in 2022
brisk cradle
The GOP has to hope 2020 was nothing more than an anti-Trump wave.
foggy fern
Unless the loss of Trump deflates support for the GOP in the House
valid falcon
2 years is forever in politics but I predict Democrats pick up 5 seats in the Se...
I'll ping you in 2 years.
elder portal
Trump caring about only himself is what cost the GOP in these recent elections, honestly
brisk cradle
Well, it is redistricting time. High odds the Democrats lose the House majority.
valid falcon
The GOP has to hope 2020 was nothing more than an anti-Trump wave.
They can hope it, and it won't matter. Polling shows that new voters are strong for liberals and progressives.
elder portal
At the expense of his party he "did it anyway"
foggy fern
Actually let me change that to picking up 4 seats in the Senate 😛
elder portal
Replace "it" with a dozen or more things he's done
valid falcon
One thing I am looking out for is if that rag tag group of states can raly together and nulllify the electoral college.
elder portal
They can hope it, and it won't matter. Polling shows that new voters are strong ...
People don't vote, land does. Redistricting is an effective tool
valid falcon
People don't vote, land does. Redistricting is an effective tool
Land doesn't vote. People do.
valid falcon
Redistricting is a tool of people, unfortunately.
It isn't about land. It is about the people.
brisk cradle
There is also some gerrymandering magic with allocation of congressional districts he is trying to pull.
elder portal
It sure is, but land votes
valid falcon
never saw dirt vote
elder portal
Gerrymandering is only effective BECAUSE land votes, not people
brisk cradle
Correction: the politicians get to choose their voters, not the other way around. Pretty fucked up.
elder portal
If it were entirely a popular vote, Gerrymandering would have zero effect on an outcome
valid falcon
Well anyone gets to choose who they market to. But it is up to the people to support that marketing effort ultimately that makes things move. It's a dual effort.
elder portal
Gerrymandering works because you group a bunch of people in different lands together
valid falcon
If it were entirely a popular vote, Gerrymandering would have zero effect on an ...
Gerrymandering is about changing population ratios.
It is about people.
elder portal
Large cities full of people count for as much as a small town in the middle of nowhere of 100 people
valid falcon
Right, that is about people. Not land.
valid falcon
Not since 1860
elder portal
Even way back when- only land owners could originally vote
valid falcon
Right, like I said, that has changed
elder portal
If it were entirely a popular vote, gerrymandering would not work
valid falcon
Sure it would.
elder portal
It would not
valid falcon
Gerrymandering is about adjusting population ratios.
elder portal
Redistricting is about land
valid falcon
Just for the sake of a map. But it isnt done because of the land
It is done because of the people
elder portal
You group people in different areas
valid falcon
The areas doesnt change how the people are moved. The makeup of the people changes how the map lines are moved.
It isn't about the land.
I'm going to have to drop this topic.
elder portal
Alright, let's say you have three people voting. If two people vote for person A and one votes for person B, that's a popular vote. It wouldn't matter if person 1 and person 2 were grouped together, or 2 and 3.
Now let's say person 1 votes for A and 2 and 3 vote for B. If you group 1 and 2 together and say they have as much voting power as person 3, suddenly A and B have equal votes despite more people wanting B.
Ergo, people do not vote
Depending on how you draw lines, you can change the outcome of any election
Lines in the land
valid falcon
I’ll leave it at this. For the majority of human history, maps have been about people. Not the intrinsic nature of land features.
elder portal
People don't matter, it matters where they are when they vote
The electoral college ensures that land votes
At least for president
foggy fern
You're being pedantic, I'm sure you understand the point
valid falcon
The point is that no matter what I say to try to explain my position, it doesn’t matter to you.
Therefore it doesn’t matter
elder portal
Your position is factually, mathematically incorrect :P
valid falcon
Factually. My position is correct.
foggy fern
For the electoral college land is more important, for house elections it's a weird way of saying it that isn't really true but gets at the point in a provocative way
elder portal
History, logic, and math disagree with your position
valid falcon
You don’t adjust voting districts for the sake of land. You disenfranchise voters. Not land.
It’s about the voters. Not geographically significant features.
elder portal
You're missing the point
valid falcon
Maps have always been drawn by people for the issues of people
And that’s the point you are missing
Mic drop
elder portal
Methinks perhaps on purpose at this point
valid falcon
Let’s just stop.
elder portal
I explained what gerrymandering was and how it worked pretty clearly
valid falcon
I don’t need your explanation, but thanks.
elder portal
Yeah, of course a farmhouse doesn't literally walk into a voting booth
valid falcon
Your interpretation is... cursory... you’re observing the effects, not the causes of the redistributing.
elder portal
"land votes, not people" us about the electoral college vs the popular vote (and similar systems)
valid falcon
Electoral college was about maintaining political and social control.
elder portal
The cause is fairly straightforward. People want to win an election, so they redistrict in their favor
That's the easy part
valid falcon
If land votes, why didn’t the GOP sweep this election cycle easy peasy?
valid falcon
*sigh
elder portal
But any tool used by one party is a double edged sword
Eventually Democrats caught up
valid falcon
I think you’re intentionLly being dense by saying that since a map exists, that that is all there is. It’s the effect. Not the cause.
The redistricting map comes after the people. Not before.
Case in point. Census.
elder portal
No, I mean that "redmapping" is a term that exists, and describes an effective tool used decades ago that's had a lasting effect
elder portal
Redistricting map is supposed to fairly and accurately redistribute people based on fairness, but gerrymandering twists that to be in a particular party's favor
valid falcon
Census is used in redustricting, along with a lot of other metrics and voodo. It isn’t don’t according to geographical data. It produces a map. The map isn’t the cause.
The map is the result.
It’s not about the map. It’s about the people.
elder portal
Again, you're missing the idea of "land votes"
valid falcon
The map is a means. It’s the end of the production.
I think you’re confused what the point of redistricting is.
elder portal
"land votes" means that you can do things like gerrymandering to get a desired outcome despite almost any type of voting pattern. If "people voted, not land" then those tools would be ineffective
It's not literally about a piece of land voting
valid falcon
Nope. It’s about describing the effect, and about transferring power to groups away from others. It’s not about the land. It’s about the people.
elder portal
I mean, it's about politics and votes
If you want to be pedantic
Either way, I think we're either on the same page and arguing about pedantics or we aren't and my explanations are lost
So, bed time
valid falcon
People matter. Whether one group believes they are worth less or equal is caused by people.
elder portal
People matter. Whether one group believes they are worth less or equal is caused...
Damnit, I had to refute this one because the math disagrees with you here. The electoral college, using math, guarantees that someone in Georgia has.. I believe three? Four? Times as much voting power as I do
That's why land votes. If I move to Georgia, I instantly gain three or four times more voting power than I have now
If I move to cali, I get like 0.7 times as much
Same person
Different land
valid falcon
The electoral college is a bunch of people. Just because an unfair system is unfair doesn’t mean it has anything to do with the natural world.
shut vine
I mean.. that's the system. We literally talked about the separation of powers between Federal and State before. Part of the constitutional republic system. Each state is basically its own country.
elder portal
The original point was that land votes, not people. I'm not arguing about what system is better or correct
valid falcon
The system of disenfranchisement is for the sake of political power on people, not land. We don’t assign voting power based on square miles.
shut vine
Are you allowed to move to whatever state you want?
valid falcon
A catch phrase doesn’t mean that’s all it is.
But please repeat the phrase a bit more.
elder portal
If you move from point A to point B on a map you can go from your vote being worth 0.7 people to 4 people. This is where the phrase "land votes, not people" comes from. This is what it describes
That's my point
That's the entirety of my point
valid falcon
Your point is that it describes people.
valid falcon
It’s a phrase meant to confuse voters into believing that some people deserve more political voice as a natural order, as much as it is a description of the problem of that mentality. It’s not about the square miles, number of lakes, roads...
shut vine
Night
sand shale
weary obsidian
Was hoping to wake up to a bigger lead and the race called
But guess it's still positive
weary obsidian
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1346607554001072130
lmao thats great
foggy fern
So /r/donaldtrump says don't listen to the media, they don't get to call the elections, that's not their job. Then they upvote a clip of ABC correcting a typo in their excel file causing the reported vote count to go down for Perdue and this is clearly a sign of Dominion's negative votes error due to a poorly written hack
weary obsidian
I avoid conservative and donald so that my phone wont show me shit from there lol
i hate how reddit apps likes to randomly show you trending topics just cause you visited a reddit but dont follow it
dusky raft
Pretty much sums up most sites
weary obsidian
i think i figured out how to stop it though, when you click the 2nd icon, the 2 circles 2 squares thing, it shows recently visited subreddits and you can X out them
drifting arch
anyone know when pence is gonna confirm biden cause i wanna watch that lmao
foggy fern
midnight
weary obsidian
Nsa should show a counter how many times rino is said today
foggy fern
There are like 8 states the Republicans are going to contest and each one triggers up to 2 hours of debate
🤣
restive seal
I'm disappointed too many Republicans voted. They were supposed to vote so little that dominion algorithms would assign them a negative vote tally.
foggy fern
They think it did because someone at ABC made a typo or something
restive seal
Life is hard for them
Trump currently ranting live. "You will have an illegitimate president and we can't let that happen"
foggy fern
Holy shit he actually did it, I thought that was just a meme. Biden picked Merrick Garland for Attorney General
restive seal
Ahahahahahaha
foggy fern
It would mean giving up a lifetime appointment as a judge in exchange for at most 4-8 years as AG though
restive seal
Trump just once again complained we didn't loot Iraq's oil.
foggy fern
He has experience though, as something called "Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General"
Worked on the Oklahoma City bombing, Unabomber, and Atlanta Olympics bombing investigations
restive seal
That's some experience there
foggy fern
...that was a shitty few years in terms of bombings
restive seal
Gym Jordan now starting his rant
And he begins with citing biden having tiny rally numbers.
"the guy who never left his house wins the election?"
Good lord
I want this bullshit to blow up in their faces
foggy fern
MSNBC cut to McConnell pleading with the Senate to stop the madness
drifting arch
im watching mcconnell rn and I'm pleased with what he's saying, I didn't expect that
restive seal
He's now bringing up russia "hoax"? Okay boss
foggy fern
He got the medal of freedom for that so it must be true
restive seal
He did too? Oh God
drifting arch
ok where's he going with this
weary obsidian
'Obama appointed judge' as smear. Sigh.
oh you didnt get the memo that obama is the supposed anti christ?
foggy fern
tough cedar
oop
tough cedar
aren't they voting in the capitol right now?
foggy fern
Seeing people talking about a bomb threat and hearing gunshots but it's randoms on twitter so they probably heard a door slam or something 😛
lol some people https://twitter.com/RedWingGrips/status/1346887135345967110
Twitter
Clearly it's antifa showing their faces and carrying Trump flags
weary obsidian
its scary how 1 person can control and brainwash so many people to be under his control
foggy fern
Welp done with lunch back to work
Protesters have made it up the steps and on to balconies
I think they're about to shove everyone into the house chamber (press too) and bar the doors
No one is allowed to enter or exit the buildings on capitol hill anymore and are told to stay away from the windows
They just rushed Pence out of the senate chambers and cut the audio feed
They appear to be clearing out the senate chamber now, think they might either be heading for the house chamber to lock down or for the tunnels
weary obsidian
work just had to schedule a meeting today
foggy fern
Looks like they got them pushed partway back down the stairs now
HuffPost reporter has photos of protesters in the building right outside the Senate chamber
weary obsidian
let me guess no tear gas has been used
foggy fern
haha, no
They must have moved Pence out right ahead of those protesters showing up
Like Pence was rushed out and like 5 minutes later we have photos of them right outside the door he left from
torpid bear
Supposedly tear gas has been used at least according to cnn
glossy sandal
Wtf this is crazy
torpid bear
Trump supporters storming the capitol
weary obsidian
i like mini's version better
torpid bear
They’ve gotten inside
Just walking right in and no one’s really stopping them
Some have climbed the walls
near glen
where are the guns when you need em?
shy gulch
Trump, speaking to protesters, declares ‘we will never concede.’
shy gulch
holy shit
tough cedar
today is the counting of the electoral college votes
torpid bear
Congress is certifying the election
shy gulch
like why are they angry today?
today is the certification of biden's election
and trump doesn't like that
jfc
weary obsidian
this was their last goal post
plus, double fuel that they are losing control of the senate too
weary obsidian
"control" is hairline, but effectively
the senate is essentially tied, but VP breaks ties
torpid bear
I think we’re still waiting on the results of the second Georgia runoff
elder portal
No, tear gas and rubber bullets are reserved for black people
elder portal
Also, holy shit this is actually happening
Gotta admit I didn't actually see that coming
tough cedar
oop that cspan livestream
showing footage of someone trying to break in
i thought this was going to happen in november
near glen
elder portal
Yeah, uh.. no, this is insane
near glen
This is fine.jpeg
tough cedar
wtf is this shit
opaque prairie
man blm protests got the entire military here... where are they now?
elder portal
man blm protests got the entire military here... where are they now?
Again, these people aren't black so rubber bullets and tear gas is an absolute last resort
opaque prairie
mm of course how could i forget
elder portal
Holy Jesus Christ
tough cedar
uhh i mean those are real guns
elder portal
Yeah
tough cedar
so... already worse than BLM lol
tough cedar
are you watching the cspan livestream?
near glen
glossy sandal
What the fuck
loud flax
all i can think is payback for the dem's failed impeachment campaign
shy gulch
there is an armed gunman inside congress rn
near glen
yes, make them pay by storming the capitol with force 😂
shy gulch
omfg
clear maple
emergency alert have been sent out to phones
loud flax
for sure
loud flax
man we just need a huge reckoning for all kinds of things
clear maple
All "Major" republicans have gone agents trump now
glossy sandal
Impeachment didnt fail trump is impeached lol
near glen
how can you stand with that dude anymore?
torpid bear
How far did the alert go? I’m in MD and I didn’t see anything.
torpid bear
Probably just to DC then
loud flax
anyone get fired uopn yet? 😦
torpid bear
I don’t think so but there are armed protesters inside the building
clear maple
Twitter
tough cedar
i mean a guy who works for the huffingtonpost said this
Twitter
he's in the capitol
elder portal
Apparently shots were fired inside
near glen
do you guys even care about protecting your constitution? smh
elder portal
I mean, I'm already doing the only thing I can
torpid bear
DC police have called for reinforcements. No state police because DC isn’t in a state.
loud flax
heh
near glen
Twitter
tough cedar
wtf some guy just sitting in the chair
elder portal
Protestor sitting in the chair
tough cedar
lookin all anarchist like
elder portal
It's a statement
near glen
in germany they wouldnt even allowed to protest cause no masks 😂
clear maple
Twitter
foggy fern
MSNBC is saying the Speaker and Mayor have put out the request to retask the DC National Guard to clear Capitol Hill
Not the building, the whole area
near glen
so basically, if its true that national guard is not getting deployed, it means that trump is supporting this coup
foggy fern
It's held up at the DoD level because it's a retasking so needs sign off
elder portal
so basically, if its true that national guard is not getting deployed, it means ...
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised
foggy fern
Tear gas inside the building
And a protester got in to the Senate chamber, it was after the Senate was evacuated but still
foggy fern
There was a Republican Representative who just said it was a coup attempt
shy gulch
oh?
foggy fern
They're in the House chamber now too
weary obsidian
reports someone ma y have been shot
loud flax
;o
foggy fern
Someone left on a stretcher covered in blood and they appeared to be trying to resuscitate them
shy gulch
where did you get this info
glossy sandal
Twitter videos
near glen
weary obsidian
man
sweet canyon
Holy shit this is insane
tough cedar
foggy fern
Did you see his tweet before that though?
He was riling them up while they were storming the building then someone must have got to him
near glen
that guy is the turkish foreign relations minister or smth, hes such a troll 😂
imagine being told by turkey they are concerned about the state of your democracy
foggy fern
near glen
TURKEY 😂
weary obsidian
people are going through senators desks, i wonder how much sensitive info is getting accessed
sand shale
Twitter
foggy fern
Wait this discord doesn't have custom taytay emotes?
sand shale
loud flax
which taytay, the new taytay or old taytay, because there's a difference o.o
loud flax
at least in terms of music
foggy fern
Yeah old taytay was kind of shit 😛
loud flax
i'd tend to think she was better because her voice wasn't so rambunctious
sweet canyon
I'm afraid they are going to burn it down
loud flax
uhh wow
foggy fern
indie folk is kind of my thing
sweet canyon
So what did Pence not do this morning or whatever that caused this?
sand shale
is there like a stream or something? people seem to see things i am not seeing from pictures
sweet canyon
They just said someone was shot
weary obsidian
PBS's volume/voices dont annoy me, so been watching that one lol https://twitter.com/i/events/1346454323635527680
Twitter
tough cedar
yea uhh trumps latest tweets saying not to do this ring hollow
near glen
yeah the rolled out a bleeding protester or smth
tough cedar
when his other tweets are to rile people up
elder portal
"oh noooo.. please.. no, don't do this. Oh my"
sand shale
I hope all those people step on lego
near glen
oh btw, this was a newspaper cover here mid last year
"the fire devil - a president setting his country on fire"
tough cedar
oh buddy that phone call just ended suddenly
sweet canyon
So did Pence do / say something on camera today to cause this?
tough cedar
i don't think so?
sweet canyon
It was just trump's tweet criticizing him for not overturning it?
sand shale
same thing
sweet canyon
I mean he said he'd get with either soooo true
shy gulch
same thing
I mean, you're not wrong
near glen
expecting me to know or care about that
sweet canyon
I'm trying to figure out what provoked this tweet https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346900434540240897?s=19
tough cedar
i think that's just a regular trump tweet
clear maple
So there a leaky toilet in my house so a plumber came by, we have cpsan on tv in the living room, and he starts talk about he everything was rigged
near glen
Twitter
clear maple
good thing I can hide in my room
arctic tangle
Congrats guys, you managed to shitpost yourselves into an actual fascist occupation of the US Capitol
literally in a VC right now with Americans who are like "this is it" and "it's finally happening" like it's so entertaining
near glen
at least it will be easy to jail all these idiots since they will post selfies to facebook 😂
drifting arch
who are the ones attacking the capitol
tough cedar
and a bunch of them dont wear masks either!
drifting arch
trump or biden supporters
torpid bear
Trump
sweet canyon
Trump
near glen
did you really need to ask that? lol
drifting arch
just verifying
sweet canyon
Pence just tweeted out that people will be punished to the fullest extent for the attack on the capitol
sweet canyon
Ya
glossy sandal
Stand by till january 6th and be ready
near glen
he called on ppl to come on the 6th, yes
glossy sandal
tough cedar
lol later they started moving them
loud flax
So there a leaky toilet in my house so a plumber came by, we have cpsan on tv in...
i guess the toilet wasn't the only thing leaking huh
near glen
Twitter
clear maple
i guess the toilet wasn't the only thing leaking huh
lol
near glen
^ GOP
tough cedar
near glen
lol
clear maple
List of Congress https://twitter.com/i/lists/34179516
Twitter
near glen
gonna frame that on in his house, a relic of the american democracy
tough cedar
it's probably related to this @sweet canyon
the trump tweet you were wondering about
clear maple
weary obsidian
i'm not actually sure what to think about this
They need to just put that label on Trumps entire profile and require solving 20 bCaptchas or w/e that horrible new one is to see his tweets
clear maple
They need to just put that label on Trumps entire profile and require solving 20...
or just remove it
weary obsidian
they cant until inaug
near glen
they could
clear maple
why? it there same law??
weary obsidian
they give world leaders special privledge
near glen
they choose not to
clear maple
they could they just wont
near glen
they say the interest of the public is more important than twitter rules
which kinda makes sense
weary obsidian
removing him while hes a world leader def would incite a lot of anger
near glen
man, I wanna be the guy pressing the delete button the day he gets thrown out of the white house
weary obsidian
apparently a bomb was found at the RNC
PBS just announced
oh maybe not RNC, other tweets say at capitol
oh maybe not RNC, other tweets say at capitol
maybe they said DC and i just misheard it
near glen
its RNC from what I read
sweet canyon
the trump tweet you were wondering about
Yup, thanks!
clear maple
Cspan said a mob also broken in Kansas Capital
sweet canyon
Crazy.
drifting arch
1100 national guard troops are being activated
near glen
better late then never I guess, lol
weary obsidian
did trump have to activate them, or someone on capitol?
loud flax
protesting is fine, but it doesn't work if you do anything by force, it just sets a bad precedent for others to follow, and that's not a good thing
shut vine
It would likely be automatic
clear maple
Virginia I think
near glen
its not a protest, its a group of armed terrorist destroying the foundation of your democracy vector
just fyi
you dont need to defend this
shut vine
Well they can legally protest with guns as long as they don't use them, really depends if they're doing something destructive as well
clear maple
Wounder if this will change anyone vote on the election certification
opaque prairie
this is in no sense a peaceful protest lol, and never has been
loud flax
i don't know if i'd go so far as to call them terrorists though, more like anarchists? i'm a bit hesitant to call them terrorists
opaque prairie
uhhh they said theyre going to try to finish it today unreal
drifting arch
this is insane
torpid bear
They’re breaking into and looting the capitol building. They’re terrorists.
opaque prairie
this is most definitely terrorism
near glen
sounds like terrorists to me, lol
drifting arch
yeah this is definitely domestic terrorism
no question
military hasn't arrived yet i see
near glen
kek somebody just ran up to a driving armed van and kicked the side mirror
opaque prairie
just saw a video of a military looking van driving up
sweet canyon
Biden is giving a speech
drifting arch
what stream are yall watching? id like an alt view
near glen
drifting arch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au3pIkKMB1g thats minme
near glen
biden speaking
shut vine
What is in that video currently is protesting.
clear maple
Twitter
near glen
lmao
shut vine
What is in that video currently is protesting.
sweet canyon
He's still following him
drifting arch
they found a bomb in the RNC and a bomb squad disarmed it
sweet canyon
He's still following him
clear maple
is he?
shut vine
Yeah that's terrorism.
sweet canyon
Just checked
clear maple
witch account?
sweet canyon
He unfollowed and refollowed a moment ago.
near glen
What is in that video currently is protesting.
have you been asleep? they stormed the capitol, they were/are inside the capitol
clear maple
lol
shut vine
Until you directly link the protesters to the bomb, you basically have zero case against the protesters.
drifting arch
lol.
near glen
how can you even attempt to defend any of this?
drifting arch
im not even going to argue about this right now, as soon as they stormed the building they became terrorists
near glen
exactly
torpid bear
They broke windows and stole stuff too
shut vine
That's not terrorism, that would be trespassing.
torpid bear
People have been shot
glossy sandal
Twitter
sweet canyon
I like the people that are posing for pics inside because they will be arrested so damn quick.
loud flax
oh goodness
well you see
clearly they think protesting like this is the only way because nothing else works to them you think? the system isn't good enough (at least in their eyes) that their only option is an unimaginable act of terrorism?
sweet canyon
The capitol is where they were doing the certifying today, right?
tough cedar
yeh
near glen
the system you speaking about is called democracy
tough cedar
at the time they were debating about the... idk the word for it
near glen
you are right, these ppl are trying to get rid of that system
sweet canyon
Alrighty cool just making sure I have all the data together.
near glen
as such, they are terrorists
tough cedar
they were talking about decertifying arizonas electors
debating *
so they hadn't actually started voting yet
loud flax
yeah we can't lose this system
shut vine
Well, that would just make them just as bad as Antifa. Not like anyone wins using these methods.
sweet canyon
Yeah there was planned to have like 4 states object
shut vine
Yeah I think there are 6 states which sent two sets of electors.
So all of those can be contested, but it's unlikely to make a difference.
clear maple
The walk back from Biden was good
near glen
Twitter
sweet canyon
Twitter
loud flax
they want to suggest using firefox because your friend is having a small problem with google chrome
that kind of mindset puzzles me
shut vine
Yeah, I agree. He must have been a sadist to have been using Chrome in the first place.
near glen
🍿
shut vine
Makes sense, he's in the bunker probably.
loud flax
@near glen it's kinda neat to have a single twitter account that represents an entity, not a person
drifting arch
that'd be something
sweet canyon
Twitter
near glen
<@!134340832093405184> it's kinda neat to have a single twitter account that rep...
mmh?
shut vine
Him resigning would delay certification of results.
clear maple
nancy pelosi office has been vandalised
sweet canyon
Why is it taped? Smh. Do it live silly.
loud flax
do it from a golf course
sweet canyon
Twitter
drifting arch
weary obsidian
woot
sweet canyon
Old news or does this mean official?
drifting arch
it means AP called it
NBC called it too
not certified yet
(but probably correct)
shut vine
In fact the Senate may be unable to certify the results if Trump resigns.
drifting arch
This is unreal
shut vine
Since they'd have to pick the President Pro Tempore of the Senate (Pence is President).
clear maple
In fact the Senate may be unable to certify the results if Trump resigns.
wont Pence have to pick a new VP then?
shut vine
No
sweet canyon
shut vine
President Pro Tempore of the United States cannot pick the Vice President.
drifting arch
what the fuck
clear maple
he would be President though
shut vine
The Senate has to pick them.
sudden wyvern
._. Did he really just start that with the first 20 seconds?
drifting arch
yeah what the fuck
near glen
is that real?
shut vine
Yeah, but they require a President of the Senate to certify results
near glen
oh god
drifting arch
holy shit
sudden wyvern
He spent half of that saying "The electors are wrong. I love you"
near glen
its worse than I imagined
drifting arch
what the fuck man. what has this country become
clear maple
omg he still talking about how it was stolen
sweet canyon
I was supposed to go pick up groceries but I haven't left because I'm honestly scared to leave my house. The place I'm going to pick up has had trump rallies before.
near glen
not only that, he said we love you to the terrorists
sand shale
locked?
sweet canyon
You can't interact with it anymore
shut vine
So when you negotiate with someone who's emotional you generally sympathize with their plight then tell them what they should do. I suppose that probably wasn't his intention, but from a technical standpoint it's sound.
weary obsidian
they did that on his earlier tweet too
sudden wyvern
dude
near glen
yeah trump isnt that smart, lol
shut vine
Yeah I agree.
sweet canyon
Yeah they did it on the pence tweet iirc
shut vine
I'm purely talking about the technical aspect of it.
clear maple
AP called Ossoff
sweet canyon
Well I guess any hope of having pence pardon him is out of question now
glossy sandal
Does having both ga runoffs go blue make Senate 5050?
sweet canyon
Yes
torpid bear
50/50 plus Kamala
shut vine
No.
clear maple
yes
shut vine
It's 48 Democrat, 50 Republican, 2 other.
It's actually a pretty good outcome, those 2 technically have a lot of power since they're unaffiliated.
near glen
wat
they couldnt go inside, cause they were stopped by police force
where is the police force against these terrorists now?
they finally have arrived
loud flax
news agencies report violent stories all the time, why is this any different?
i mean, yeah, it involves the capitol, so that's significant right there
near glen
because there are terrorist storming the capitol
the fundation of your fucking democracy
drifting arch
wow.
near glen
why do I, as a foreigner, care more about your fucking democracy than you?
arent you a patriot?
loud flax
well there are other terrorists in my country that aren't taken seriously enough apparently, and then it all spills over now
feral sparrow
near glen
why are you defending this?
copper flower
they don't storm your main government building tho, armed
feral sparrow
This cop doesn't have a mask on
near glen
I dont get it vector
loud flax
i'm not
loud flax
i'm a Christian who believes in the power of love, which has unfortunately been lost in our country. I don't think people really know how to love anymore. And you can still love these people and not glorify their goals, because perhaps they weren't loved enough? How do you think we got to this point? There is a very real sense of "I want to do things my way , don't impose your morals on me!"
near glen
these ppl piss on your constitution, just fyi
loud flax
yes it's terrible
copper flower
https://twitter.com/cevansavenger/status/1346920924310867968
wow
blazing junco
loud flax
it's just so unfortunate that violence seems to be the answer when it's very clearly not...
shut vine
I mean, all the violent protests over this year and previous years are basically the same. They don't achieve anything, and just serve to divide humanity more.
copper flower
https://twitter.com/cevansavenger/status/1346920924310867968
doesn't even look like they do it because of pressure from the crowd or something. more like a escort
near glen
these ppl have been incited by your impeached goverment
near glen
I mean, all the violent protests over this year and previous years are basically...
this is a new low tho
shut vine
Not really.. it was happening throughout 2020 in the USA.
loud flax
btw mini, what part of this do you think i'm defending?
glossy sandal
We got to this point because of years of the president of the united states undermining and building this narrative that is now playing out in front of ur eyes
blazing junco
Where?
near glen
in the capitol?
blazing junco
Nobody stormed the capitol with guns
near glen
btw mini, what part of this do you think i'm defending?
you play it down
shut vine
There were similar violent protests a 6 or so years ago too.
copper flower
has this happened in the US before? like, storming the capitol?
glossy sandal
Nobody stormed the capitol with guns
Yes they did
feral sparrow
There was also a bomb
copper flower
two bombs
glossy sandal
Today
glossy sandal
Why are you talking about 2020
glossy sandal
I see it now
blazing junco
the statement
glossy sandal
Yea
near glen
lets do smth fun
feral sparrow
A poll sounds fun
near glen
lets see what /pol/ thinks about this
blazing junco
LOL
glossy sandal
Comparing protests against police brutality and storming the Capitol building with weapons is really interesting take
blazing junco
i read that as go to conservative and sort by conservative
holy shit
did someone just wave an iron cross
loud flax
should I elevate this mob of people to Osama Bin Laden?
blazing junco
oh wait that's kekistan
loud flax
that's why I'm hesitant to call them this
drifting arch
'we'?
near glen
copper flower
but storming government buildings is pretty clearly terrorism
sweet canyon
Twitter
thorny wing
Are you serious
torpid bear
Name calling doesn’t help anyone. These people are storming the capitol.
blazing junco
lol
near glen
idk if hes serious or not, one step further and hes not part of this discord anymore, lol
copper flower
if hes serious, he is insane, lol
loud flax
who what
drifting arch
wow.
blazing junco
they stormed the capitol building with weapons.
tough cedar
he's trolling
plush crypt
I think it's rather.. insane that people can defend such an attack on democracy, to be honest
tough cedar
cspan just letting random trump supporters call in now
plush crypt
And Ninevolt, let me remind you you've been banned once before -- tread very lightly in what you say
tough cedar
and a bunch of said that we can't just say the people storming the capitol are trump supporters
drifting arch
dc has established a curfew of 6pm (1hr from now approx), people not following it will be arrested; national guard is being deployed and currently convening at the armory to be deployed into dc now
restive seal
I think it's rather.. insane that people can defend such an attack on democracy,...
insurrection is what one political party has been pushing for since before the election, to ensure Trump maintaining power. It's wild.
tough cedar
they could possibly be.. BLM... antifa... or the boogaloo boys!
feral sparrow
Trump should be impeached an I’m a republican
stiff terrace
someone tell me the tl;dr of what happened
copper flower
isn't it a bit late for an impeachment? Is that even useful anymore if he is no longer president in a few weeks?
torpid bear
Trump supporters stormed and took the capitol
blazing junco
no matter what side of the political spectrum you're on this should be denounced
plush crypt
I don't think that's hard to conclude with for any political view when people try to hinder democratic processes, Define ^^
tough cedar
trump supporters got inside the capitol while congress was debating to decertify arizonas electors
and so now it's just delaying the inevitable
restive seal
isn't it a bit late for an impeachment? Is that even useful anymore if he is no ...
If they get it through fast enough it would remove him sooner.
near glen
in response to those terrorist storming the capitol, trump said on video "we love you"
tough cedar
because now they can't even debate
feral sparrow
sand shale
!ban @shy gulch
zinc rivetBOT
Banned Azrian#0001
blazing junco
lol
restive seal
in response to those terrorist storming the capitol, trump said on video "we lov...
And he means it. And that should upset far more people than it's upsetting.
bleak echo
oh dear
feral sparrow
What did Azrian say?
torpid bear
He was supporting a violent terrorist group
restive seal
Best not repeat the things leading to a banning 😛
blazing junco
restive seal
copper flower
im really worried what will happen if they try to clear the capitol. the protesters are armed after all
weary obsidian
well, typically if an armed intruder tries to attack body armored police force, they tend to lose
torpid bear
If they shoot the police the police can just shoot them back
near glen
I do believe that even those ppl arent dum enough to not listen to armed forces
shut vine
Likely outcome is when a proper response team is assembled they'll just vacate, or they will be vacated in a less desirable way.
restive seal
One hour to curfew.
near glen
they are already clearing the stairs and stuff
jagged flume
National Guard is already there and have cleared out a lot of the outside crowd.
near glen
no idea if the inside was cleared, one would assume tho
jagged flume
Seemingly not yet.
thorny wing
that's a lot of rooms to clear
they may have started, but they arent done
good thing we spent all this money on defense and domestic blah blah and deal with all this BS after 9/11 right
apparently you can just walk in
near glen
I have no idea of the scale
opal moat
Will be interesting to see how aggressive the security forces are against the attackers, compared to the aggression at blm protests
stiff terrace
how armed are these rioters
near glen
not very, at least not from the pics I saw
shut vine
After 9/11 mostly road access changes were made if I recall correctly.
jagged flume
Will be interesting to see how aggressive the security forces are against the at...
The fact that it got as bad as it did has already answered that.
weary obsidian
thought weapons wasnt allowed
tough cedar
well the person who got shot was a protestor
so i don't think they really have weapons
other than their flags which i guess you could vaguely call a weapon
ruby frost
well it's america
thorny wing
there are some weapons but it doesnt look too crazy
weary obsidian
yeah but that person tried to enter the room with the senators i think
thorny wing
at least as far as firearms
weary obsidian
regardless of weapons they cant let them near
thorny wing
whether its concealed, who knows, but its not gone full nutbar yet
weary obsidian
could have hidden weapons
tough cedar
they did find some bombs though
restive seal
whether its concealed, who knows, but its not gone full nutbar yet
Breaking into the capitol building isn't full nutbar?
restive seal
Fair enough 😄
thorny wing
its clearly nutbar to try and break into the capitol
weary obsidian
that thedonald.win website is full on batshit insane
restive seal
Wild stream of nutbars around the country https://www.twitch.tv/woke
weary obsidian
apparently they have their own reddit clone
thorny wing
they have their own pretty much everything clone
restive seal
Yeah, they couldn't get enough of a safe space on reddit.
thorny wing
everyone else doesnt really tolerate this sort of thing
near glen
of course these streams are mostly on facebook
stiff terrace
I'm watching on YT news section on my TV
weary obsidian
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ypJdgMEwOrGW PBS stream
thorny wing
the photos on twitter of people sitting in random offices, browsing random staffers email, some guys walking off with like the speaker's podium
kinda crazy to see
feral sparrow
Seems to be QAnon people
sand shale
the photos on twitter of people sitting in random offices, browsing random staff...
now he just needs to carry the speaker away too
why carry the stand and not the speaker itself
unless i misunderstand
sudden wyvern
Speaker of the House
drifting arch
what
sudden wyvern
lol
sudden wyvern
Not an actual speaker
sand shale
oh
near glen
hello choco
bleak echo
you know US politics so well kashike :)
restive seal
Getting this every couple seconds on facebook streams so that's a no go for me
bleak echo
classic facebook
sudden wyvern
Yeah I've been watching for a couple hours lol
thorny wing
@sudden wyvern @near glen Im gonna need to sleep on one of your couches for a while
sudden wyvern
Bet
thorny wing
things are getting a lil rough over here
near glen
sure
jagged flume
plush crypt
Come here 