lets take bets, will biden get more EC votes than trump?
#politics
near glen
foggy fern
At 279 it'd have to take sabotage from a state to make the EC not go Biden, we haven't had that many defections before, at least in modern history
pure jetty
near glen
trump had wat?
plush crypt
that's a tiny margin, byteflux /s
foggy fern
306 is what Trump got in 2016
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I think it was effectively 304 though after the electoral votes?
near glen
wikipedia says he had 304
foggy fern
So.... largest victory ever?
cosmic badge
A couple of faithless electors affected the vote
foggy fern
No, 2 did
plush crypt
some states also send split electors
near glen
wait so basically, after voting is done, they voted for smth different in EC?
plush crypt
i'm not 100% sure how that works, i just know it happens :p
cosmic badge
Basically yeah
near glen
kek this is even more fucked up than I thought, lmao
weary obsidian
You are being dillusional basket and you are wanting civil war
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Some of their votes can be invalidated depending on state law
foggy fern
Electors can vote for whoever they want
elder portal
Most can
elder portal
EC is still fundamentally broken
weary obsidian
Hoping Trump finds a way to win is asking to destroy democracy
foggy fern
The rest just fine the elector but the vote stands
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Faithless electors definitely won't be changing the outcome though, not with 306 π
cosmic badge
Yeah the lawsuits are gonna get dismissed like the others
elder portal
Imagine just being able to say, "fuck the will of the people and the will of the states, we decided that the loser wins"
foggy fern
So there is a way Biden can play hardball against the Senate if they block his cabinet appointments: he can add a couple Republican senators to his cabinet
elder portal
It's not happened yet
cosmic badge
I'm enjoying all the copypastas
elder portal
But it can
cosmic badge
This is why Twitter exists.
sweet canyon
Twitter
foggy fern
There are 3 Senators who aren't running for reelection
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And perhaps in safe states
foggy fern
But have Democrat governors
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I could see them going for it
foggy fern
If they're in "safe states" Biden wouldn't want them for this
near glen
lets see if biden is able to repair the international relation
foggy fern
I could see giving up your last 2 years as Senator to be Secretary of the Treasury
foggy fern
If you know you're going to lose or don't plan on running again why not leave early for a new job?
plush crypt
and if he had not won, we'd still have daddy china to take care of us europeans
foggy fern
2020 Trump got more votes than 2016 Clinton
elder portal
so both NV and PA called blue?
plush crypt
i believe it was Fox who called NV & PA ye
foggy fern
NYT, AP, NBC, etc all did too
cosmic badge
AP has called NV and PA yeah
foggy fern
Oh, NBC hasn't called NV yet
tough cedar
from before everyone called it for biden
foggy fern
2 hours ago was probably when AP announced Biden was the winner
tough cedar
so it didn't age well lol
weary obsidian
foggy fern
Or Fox, whoever called it first
elder portal
oh, I see
plush crypt
I think CNN was first, Amaranth
elder portal
even then , I don't see how you'd make that call at all
plush crypt
oh no, AP was first, then CNN minutes after
cosmic badge
is the gap in AZ closing?
foggy fern
Anyway, Trump's response to being told he lost is to slap the table and deny it
Armenian or something
plush crypt
that's Thai
elder portal
^
foggy fern
Oh, that one is different
plush crypt
americans don't know that other languages exist /s
foggy fern
Listen, Unicode was a mistake, if it's not Latin-1 I don't want it
I mean, look at this degeneracy: π π¦ π§
plush crypt
with the amount of shit you spew, you're gonna have to explicitly add /s to that if it's a joke, basket
elder portal
emoji was a mistake
near glen
I still like this vid, merkel can't even take trump serious when shes sitting next to him, thats how we felt about america the last 4 years here
elder portal
basket, I can never tell if you're being sarcastic or not
oak cloak
Well when everything you say is absurd...
elder portal
usually you're not
foggy fern
Did Trump actually have his press conference this morning?
elder portal
which makes me sad
foggy fern
Or did he bail when news orgs started declaring he lost?
plush crypt
it's not his press conference, it's his lawyers'
they just repeated the same shit of "We're starting litigation; we've won"
plush crypt
that's what you're doing with your trump BS
foggy fern
Yeah and someone got you bad π
opaque prairie
yeah sounds like a lot of tweets ive seen latey
foggy fern
They were screaming about 9 million votes for Trump being "lost" in California
near glen
elder portal
wat.. ?
plush crypt
remember that the only legal votes are the ones for trump!
elder portal
I can't imagine being so thick
plush crypt
if they voted Biden, they just checked the wrong box; I'm sure it's just a quick typo
elder portal
basket, how do you function
opaque prairie
california red 
what century do you think we are in
near glen
that was last century π
opaque prairie
apparently i need to be more specific
meager ice
guys
elder portal
thinking this applies is delusional
foggy fern
near glen
what did he post?
elder portal
oh, wow
near glen
are tiwtter handles case sensitive?
opaque prairie
so excited for that day
elder portal
one day
elder portal
he already broke them
plush crypt
he can't atm, mini
elder portal
many times
plush crypt
their own policies forbid it while he's a sitting president
elder portal
he's protected
lyric sequoia
near glen
oh I found basket
lyric sequoia
sad
near glen
elder portal
you can color the map however you want, the votes don't lie
meager ice
oh wait he already is
plush crypt
meager ice
yes
elder portal
I'm going to quote Trump supporters in 2016:
"You lost. Accept it."
near glen
I think we should recount NC so that that flips too
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Old Reddit still works
elder portal
lol
meager ice
old reddit doesn't work for me
elder portal
NC isn't close enough, I don't think
cosmic badge
Slow to load, but does work for me. Weird.
plush crypt
NC is off by abt 80k according to AP if my math is not completely fucked
weary obsidian
Yeah NC is no point
near glen
(am not being serious, just making fun)
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Yeah NC was close, but not close enough. Maybe in 2024
opaque prairie
NC is fine and doesn't need a recount, unless a recount can count my vote twice
how do you say shit like this yet get mad about "voter fraud" that literally doesnt exist
weary obsidian
Basket this is when your suppose to apologize for supporting Trump, admit it was a mistake, and work towards redemption
meager ice
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-refuses-concede-election-more-aides-back-away-from-him-2020-11
elder portal
counting votes twice would literally be voter fraud
which is what a couple Trump supporters actually tried
they're awaiting trial
weary obsidian
There's no hope in you I guess
foggy fern
Wait you think the Trump flag will be the new "I'm a racist" flag?
meager ice
yes
elder portal
sounds.. Decidedly un-American
weary obsidian
It's the misogynist, homophobe, transphobe compliment to the racist flag
plush crypt
it will forever represent the same thing
meager ice
I just want to say unconditionally supporting the police with that flag
is unconditionally support acts of police brutality
near glen
basket, I got a question, if you are a trump support, you are a conservative, right? can you try to explain whats compelling about conservatism to me? I cant get behind the idea that "everything was better before" instead of progressively working towards making things better than what they ever were, can you explain that to me?
am actually serious btw
meager ice
including times when the police bombed black people
elder portal
you don't want to ask these kinds of questions to a far-right @near glen
foggy fern
Guess you aren't a CDU fan then mini?
weary obsidian
Go read first paragraph of the declaration of the Civil War
plush crypt
isn't conservatism just the idea of "move forwards carefully"
opaque prairie
lol not in the us proxi
plush crypt
lmfao
opaque prairie
its the idea of move backwards here
near glen
Guess you aren't a CDU fan then mini?
@foggy fern no, I fundamentally disagree with the idea of conservatism
foggy fern
The original idea of conservatism was "maintain the monarchy and aristocracy"
meager ice
conservatism isn't an ideology
near glen
so nowadays the idea is to get back to that?
opaque prairie
right it just means youre a racist right
near glen
I thought republicans where conservative and democrats where progressive?
opaque prairie
I thought republicans where conservative and democrats where progressive?
generally.. but as the overton window moved right its changed more and more
elder portal
but far-right is not indicative of most conservatives
oak cloak
So what do you actually stand for?
What policies and ideals are you looking to support in a politician?
foggy fern
topkek
elder portal
mhm, I generally pick the candidate most in line with my own ideals
opaque prairie
what the fuck does "until i decided" mean
until you decided to upend basic empathy? like
oak cloak
Well trump's a pretty shit choice for that category lmao
opaque prairie
how is that better
meager ice
opaque prairie
instead of supporting the symptom of the problem, i will support the problem directly
near glen
are you happy with how the last 4 years went?
foggy fern
Trump was definitely getting bought
oak cloak
Trump has been bought from the beginning. $1 billion in debt he's not able to pay off. He's been bought over and over and over
elder portal
"bought" means a very different thing than what happens in reality. You never did watch "rules for rulers", did you @autumn lotus ?
opaque prairie
well, we obviously know youre a straight white male then
plush crypt
Perhaps a good time to quote Bunjimon: I Donβt Know How To Explain To You That You Should Care About Other People
foggy fern
He owes a lot of money to overseas banks that also have suspicious connections to Russian money laundering operations
elder portal
rule #0 - without power, you can affect nothing
meager ice
american international influence is waning extremely rapidly
oak cloak
elder portal
I'm not entirely familiar with foreign policy or relations
near glen
ya
@autumn lotus do you have a problem with the fact that your country is heavily divided now?
oak cloak
That's an unfounded conservative talking point, I never saw that in her foreign policy
foggy fern
If America ever loses enough influence for the yuan or euro to be the world reserve currency instead of the dollar the US is dropping straight into Venezuelan levels of fucked
near glen
it was heavily divided before trump
@autumn lotus yeah I know, do you think thats good or bad?
foggy fern
So trying to isolate ourselves is really dumb
near glen
so you just wanna annoy ppl and watch the country burn in riots?
yeah ok I think all hope is lost
maybe you grow up some day
elder portal
and this is why Biden's already made speeches on unity, and not hating our neighbors
oak cloak
There you go, that's your ideals. Trolling the left because making people mad is funny to you because nothing matters to you. Finally you've come to that realization
near glen
like whatever you believe politically, thats your thing, but causing outrage for fun and watching your country go up in flames, ppl literally getting killed over it, yeah, my tolerance ends there
do you own a gun?
oak cloak
Trump has been horrific on foreign policy
near glen
why do you care?
plush crypt
because 2nd amendment, mini! smh!
everyone should have the right to carry murder weapons π
oak cloak
Our position with our allies has decreased considerably
near glen
regulating guns doesn#t hur tthe second amendment proxi
meager ice
because he doesn't think for himself
plush crypt
I've been memeing the last half hour ^^ sorry
near glen
Our position with our allies has decreased considerably
@oak cloak as an "ally" I can confirm
meager ice
republicans vote for issues that don't even affect them and then complain that the dems are doing irrelevent shit that don't affect them
near glen
regulating guns doesnt mean they cant use them anymore
using guns for sports for example is perfectly legal basically everywhere
under regulation obviously
not really
that argument doesnt work when the US is the only country which has so bad issues
well, thats not effective if they can just cross borders without being controlled
needs to be country wide
or is this even just in the city?
thats even less effective then
there are plenty ways to tighter regulate guns without punishing ppl
oak cloak
Leaving things like the paris climate agreement, WHO, IRNF treaty, Trans-Pacific partnership, the UN Human Rights council...list goes on, has neutered the US's foreign policy position all over the world
near glen
hopefully biden will just join again
oak cloak
Jfc why do I even bother
near glen
all those things are about working together
oak cloak
How old are you?
near glen
it doesnt matter if you are at a slight disadvantage, its for the greater good
near glen
well, physical and mental age are distinct
oak cloak
True I suppose..
near glen
i speak like someone who grew up on the internet
@autumn lotus we can tell
oak cloak
its not called Chiraq for nothing
It's not called that at all
meager ice
might as well not pay taxes then
near glen
well, only 47% of your population voted for trump, and I bet not 100% of them would argee with your points above thats its ok to incite violence for fun
meager ice
personally I don't believe gun laws will do anything in usa
there are just too many guns in the wild
unless you went full fascist and violently took them
liberals own guns too
oak cloak
I won't even bother talking about all of the many many ways the chicago argument is bullshit (and the 'strict gun laws claim' is bullshit as well) because I'd just be wasting my energy
near glen
yeah i think you can't discuss with somebody who thinks inciting violence for the heck of it is fun
near glen
thats the bar he wants to reach I guess
meager ice
near glen
here in germany I would compare myself with norway or so, since thats the bar I set myself
restive seal
i speak like someone who grew up on the internet
No. You do not get to claim that generalization.
near glen
also, comparing a city to a country is obviously dum
meager ice
personally I believe america is heading towards collapse, and balkanization with the possibility of a civil war in 10 years due to increasing polarization year over year
near glen
meager ice
the divide between rural and city just keeps getting larger
restive seal
Anyone who isn't a conservative is "polarizing"
near glen
ppl need to read up on socialsim
near glen
half of my country was governed by actual social just a couple of decades ago
I know what socialism is
foggy fern
Biden is for the centrists, Harris is for the left (and not that great at it)
foggy fern
This is pretty normal for VP picks
near glen
its building a wall around your country, so that ppl can't leave for example
meager ice
what about her record
plush crypt
and we don't like trump's record
near glen
its taking away childs and telling them what to work
plush crypt
what about it? uhhh just the record.
near glen
and its no bananas!
foggy fern
Obama picked Biden to get rid of the experience arguments and get a centrist
Trump picked Pence to ensure evangelicals stayed on board
near glen
evangelicals are those extremly religious idiots, right?
foggy fern
Your VP pick is to help expand the group you appeal to
plush crypt
i think
basically she was point-blank 100% an awful person
foggy fern
Yes, the other term would be Christian fundamentalist but that can also apply to some Catholics
near glen
these are the ppl that teach creationsm over darwinism right?
plush crypt
yes
meager ice
Twitter
near glen
I think you cant get more hardline than that
meager ice
why is it always the left that has to do this
plush crypt
the US doesn't force them to teach darwinism unlike every other country on earth
meager ice
why is it never the right that has to reach across the party line
tough cedar
catholics are evangelicals
plush crypt
actually, do the german states do that?
plush crypt
I have a friend who does, Basket
tough cedar
my bad
near glen
@autumn lotus lol you are wrong, lol
tough cedar
evangelicals are almost always protestants in america
near glen
actually, do the german states do that?
@plush crypt darwinsim is mandatory here, yes
plush crypt
She thinks humans were just always humans, because that's what Allah said 
tough cedar
they're the baptists
plush crypt
alright, good mini :p
near glen
our curriculum is based on science, lol
plush crypt
so why is religion in it
near glen
altho we also have religion courses, but you don't have to pick them
you can choose ethics instead if you want
plush crypt
we have both darwinism and creationism in our curriculum
near glen
(I didnt because the teacher sucked and trolling religion teachers was fun)
plush crypt
just like both the helio- and terracentric solar systems
near glen
but even in relgion class, where we talked about how god created the earth, it was always in context of the time and how it actually happened
its wasnt "this is how the world was created" but "this is how ppl thought the world was created"
plush crypt
Didn't know there were trump-supporting alumnis /s
over here the teacher talks as if they believe in whichever religion is presented
I think it's a good way to teach; it gives more liveliness to the religion and its thoughts
plush crypt
christianity is sadly a very common religion here still
near glen
the biggest religion in germany is having no religion
plush crypt
ngl I'd guess the same here
near glen
christianity is only 27%, evangelism is 25%
plush crypt
we only stopped automatically registering new children into the state church like 5 yrs ago
near glen
(39% have no relgion)
plush crypt
and "suddenly" registrations dropped free-fall kek
near glen
and islam (sunnites) is 3%
here you can see that ppl flee away from the church in germany
(first colunm Christianity, second evangelism)
quite fun comparison: austria
its called protestants for you I guess
its the ppl who followed martin luther
(no, not the king)
plush crypt
https://owo.whats-th.is/5AyBy6S.png inspect elemented headers ^^
working on a sunday
kek
near glen
yeah thats smth thats so funny to me
we dont give a shit about religion, but still dont work sundays
meanwhile murica is much more religious and they have shops and shit open
sunday here is basically only recreation
no shops, no normal work, just stuff like wellness, parks, attractions, etc
(and those have monday off most of the time)
plush crypt
how much of that is there nowadays :>
near glen
we just closed em for 4 weeks
plush crypt
f
we're just angrily yelling at kids while also saying "We must not affect the kids whatsoever!"
plush crypt
everything related to kids must stay open at all costs here
gov said that a county had to close its schools for 2 weeks, then the "county man" (governor basically) just decided to defy them kek
near glen
I mean, it kinda agree
if you close schools, economy basically comes to an hold again
and schools here arent known to cause infections
cause kids actually behave in contrast to adults
plush crypt
our entire policy has just been saying "pls no pls behave :("
near glen
pls behave or get fined and worse get no alcohol
plush crypt
and there are 2 (two) cities which have an explosion of cases, the rest are pretty much unaffected
ye that's pretty much how it goes
also everyone who enters the country must have a negative covid test which is a max of 72 hours old..... unless you're norwegian, live in norway, have a place to stay in norway, or are a diplomat. the main issue with imported covid is from our "swedish shopping" - going over the border to shop in sweden and then take it back to norway
it's brilliant! masks? what are those? let's just make the lives of everyone who literally don't affect the covid numbers in the slightest worse :D
sick walrus
u can always drink alone
foggy fern
NBC finally called Nevada for Biden
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C'mon Georgia
near glen
"reduce your contacts, or corona will reduce your contacts"
Man, that's too true for me
At what point do we call biden president elect?
plush crypt
now
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He's not technically elected yet but it's mostly just a formality so now is appropriate.
foggy fern
Biden is technically not President-Elect until December 14th but everyone has been calling him that since this morning since it's clear he won
And he already got the Secret Service detail they give to a President-Elect and etc
near glen
You can't speak about 2024 if biden/harris didn't have a single day in office yet, lol
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Recent history shows that incumbents overwhelmingly win reelection. Trump is one of the few in recent history. Biden will probably win 2024 too π
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Biden is a bit less than 3 years older than Trump, they'll both be very old in 2024
sand shale
so
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Won't change anything, he lost and Biden will be POTUS. But yeah it is pretty fun to watch his desperation.
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Don't worry Kashike. Biden won. Nothing is going to change the outcome of this election π
No litigation or anything at this point.
near glen
you dont give up the presidency so easily
@autumn lotus you do. If you loose, you loose. Then you go
sand shale
better not
near glen
That's what everybody else is doing
sand shale
or I'm sending a goose after you, byteflux
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D:
sand shale
No, I wouldn't :p
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If the outcome was in serious doubt, but it's not. Trump's own legal advisors have told him there's no credible challenge to the outcome.
He should just do the graceful thing and concede.
opaque prairie
if by in his position you mean: going to jail as soon as youre not the president then maybe
cosmic badge
Like most presidents have before.
opaque prairie
for all the shit hes done?
cosmic badge
Well he wouldn't go to prison for anything he's done as president.
opaque prairie
tax crimes, literally an infinite amount of hatch act etc
cosmic badge
But crimes committed before are fair game.
opaque prairie
i have a test in 14 minutes so i am not gonna waste time explaining things to someone who isnt going to listen to anything reasonable anyway
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I believe that New York state will pursue charges against Trump if they haven't already secretly.
For financial crimes committed before his presidency.
opaque prairie
his legal residence is still in ny lol
yes, and him voting in florida was a crime
opal moat
Imagine not being sued because you move away
What a concept
Should've killed someone before moving to Austria
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Being in another state doesn't shield him from arrest warrants.
opaque prairie
because he still legally lives in NY
there was a big thing debunking his vote into florida. illegal
its not his legally defined place of residence
cosmic badge
Do you think if you committed murder in one state and fled to another, that you wouldn't get arrested? You realize murder is a state crime, right?
opaque prairie
lol also that yeah
cosmic badge
Just because you flee to another state doesn't mean you evade the previous state's justice system.
near glen
you would try and do everything legally possible
@autumn lotus no I have pride
Yeah, some have honor and some like to throw mud around
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Well, most have honor at least when it comes to gracefully conceding. If we go by historical precedent, that is.
Trump is just acting out of the norm.
near glen
He has no chance tho
foggy fern
lol talking about Sherman on MSNBC
opal moat
Which is sad anyway but yeah
opal moat
Merkel did too
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He spends a lot of time playing golf, bet he still sucks at it
foggy fern
People who golf with him says he cheats like crazy
opal moat
foggy fern
foggy fern
You pretend your shot didn't go in the rough and drop a new ball on the edge of the fairway
near glen
Why are you defending his golf play, lmao
Who cares
He was your president, he shouldn't spend any time on the golf course
opal moat
When you suddenly have to move
near glen
That's not an excuse to be an asshole basket
foggy fern
What was debunked?
opal moat
Trump's tweets :p
foggy fern
The only part of that I'm not sure about is the only one not to concede bit
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I think it refers to as far as concession has been a part of the process
foggy fern
I guess I'm not 100% sure someone has never run enough times to lose the popular vote twice but still win an election and be President
Depending on how you argue that it applies to Biden too
I don't think counting primary losses makes sense though
Hillary Clinton wasn't President
So she fails on that part of it
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Yeah she was only the nominee once
foggy fern
I think for that one you'd have to be on the ballot
I believe Trump has actually been on the ballot once before too so technically he lost 3 times
Oh, nope, turns out he backed out of running in 1988 and 2000
I thought he lost the primary in 1988 and was on the ballot in a few states as a third party in 2000
He did the same thing in 2012, campaigned for a bit but didn't officially announce then instead announced he wasn't going to do it
near glen
Weren't we assuming the riots where going to be cause by militant trump supporters?
Proud boys or whatever the fuck they are called
Well you have no evidece of riots until they happen, lol
lol i think anyone with an actual brain was thinking the left was gonna be the one rioting
@autumn lotus stuff like this makes you seem like you have no brain
elder portal
today on "presidential, not presidential":
https://i.imgur.com/kuzeySu.png
https://i.imgur.com/vbRTPW5.png
near glen
Just because you think something doesn't mean everybody has to agree
elder portal
the difference in tone of tweets is staggering
near glen
They would be better loosers than trump, that's got sure π
elder portal
burden of proof, positive claim
additionally, a vocal minority will be a vocal minority for any decision
yes, you have to have proof for claims
that's how this works
opal moat
When we had to talk in front of the class we always had to give source
near glen
Don't assume schools in america work like our schools aurora
opal moat
Otherwise automatically failed
elder portal
do you not have to give proof when making claims over there @near glen ?
proof?
I'm asking for proof of your claim
elder portal
@opal moat bad call - you got backed into a corner
I'd rather not play games
you enjoy yourself
I'm not playing games, sorry
elder portal
I follow debate structure
positive claim has the burden of proof
follow it, or no debate
meager ice
Burden of proof is on the person who made the claim
This is how civilized people argue
You might have learned this in English class
elder portal
"The flying spaghetti monster exists" is a positive claim, for example. Nobody needs to say "the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist" - the burden of proof falls on the person claiming they do
the wiki page I linked goes into more detail
if you really wanted to know who
meager ice
God striked down trump for being a sinful man
Thsts my positive claim and no one js arguing against it
elder portal
Everyone voted Biden this year
I offer no proof π
but hey
that's how debate works
sorry
you're falling into a fallacy
The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or proposition. Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of argumentum ad ignorantium, is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who denies or questions the assertion being made. The source of the fallacy is the assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise.
https://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm#:~:text=Shifting the burden of proof%2C a special case of argumentum,is true unless proven otherwise.
near glen
Lmao you are still going on about this
elder portal
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
I'm waiting for people to arrive so I can tutor Python
though a better use of my time, at this point, may just be working on fun new light patterns for our RGB strings
elder portal
I disputed your claim by asking for proof
I don't have to say "you're wrong" or "I believe otherwise" - I simply need to ask for evidence of your claim
that's a dispute
that's how it works
elder portal
heh
elder portal
I am challenging your statement by asking for evidence
near glen
He disputed you
elder portal
you argue the dumbest things sometimes
near glen
Debate is fitting
elder portal
whether or not "asking for evidence" is "disputing a claim" when you could have just provided the evidence to begin with
it's all deflection
which is, in itself, a fallacy
and fallacies fall apart when you name them
clearly I don't know
opaque prairie
i mean evidently he doesnt know it
elder portal
you spent so long deflecting I forgot what the original claim even was
which means the deflecting worked
sure
that's how this works, yeah
opaque prairie
ah yes the master of arguments
restive seal
gish gallop is a valid strategy in some high school level competitive debate, in which I assume basket is a participant.
opaque prairie
deflects when asking for a source till they forget
sounds like you really proved your point with that one chief huh?
elder portal
haven't heard "gish gallop" in a long while- been so long since I've done highschool debates
but yes, that's basically it
deft bronze
opaque prairie
ah yes dont worry
biden would only have to lose how many states at this point? oh right. 4
oak shell
That margin is much larger so it's going to be difficult to pull the gore bs
opaque prairie
48k votes is not close
PA wont change hands. thats why they called it
AZ maybe yeah
foggy fern
Except most of them were in Philadelphia and Pittsburg and the in person vote still favored Biden there, just not as much as the absentee vote
opaque prairie
ah yeah trump will just poll.... what is it 75%? like he has elsewhere?
foggy fern
If 70k of them were legit Trump would basically have to get all of them
The first batch or two of provisional ballots they got were still favoring Biden
That's why they called it
Dunno, that's what Steve Kornacki said on TV
opaque prairie
also dont forget basket, if the SC weighs in all those provisional ballots may get not counted
elder portal
I'm inclined to believe the people who have been doing this for years
opaque prairie
yeah, just like idk why the supreme court would throw out mail in ballots postmarked before or on election day, but here we are anyway
elder portal
happens so rarely
near glen
No those don't count
opaque prairie
pretty sure it does get counted actually
near glen
There was a case in the news that got denied because he died
elder portal
doesn't really matter if it does or doesn't
opaque prairie
just like if you died right after casting, your vote would still count
oop or not
foggy fern
Trump needs to get 73% of all the estimated ballots remaining in PA, he is getting 25%
elder portal
illigitimate votes have alwasy been an incredible minority. The tradeoff isn't worth it. You face federal prison for even trying to vote twice
which some Trump supporters discovered this election
foggy fern
They've already worked through about 20k of the provisional ballots, they aren't going to Trump
elder portal
if you really wanna vote twice, go to a state with a smller population that has more
EC votes than it should
then your one vote counts for 4 votes in another state
foggy fern
Arizona is definitely going to be closer than expected but with PA Biden doesn't need to win in AZ
foggy fern
With NZ and GA he doesn't need PA either but he got them
oak shell
Face federal jail for a vote worth practically nothing 
elder portal
he's already won
a single vote, yeah. Practically nobody tries it because it's not worth trying
the cost/benefit ratio is skewed heavily toward cost
oak shell
Out of how many people who voted
foggy fern
There were like a dozen Trump supporters getting in trouble for it, haven't heard about hundreds
elder portal
it's an extreme minority
foggy fern
Did you get that from OANN, Breitbart, or NewsMax?
elder portal
honestly, it's easier to just go to a state where your EC vote counts for 4-5x more than other states
because states vote
currently
a whole 134 so far
definitely going to change the course of the election
134 counts*
doesn't mean 134 ballots, though I'd have to check
usually breaking one law means you break 5 at the same time
because overlap
foggy fern
She tried to register 134 mentally disabled people and got caught
Look, the system works
foggy fern
67 people, some of those charges are doubling up
foggy fern
67 votes still isn't usually enough to do anything
elder portal
sorry, an extra 67 votes to Trump or Biden isn't swaying the election
oak shell
Even if 200 people did the same thing it still would do jack shit
elder portal
^
foggy fern
We have no evidence to even suggest many people are doing it
elder portal
also ^
there's just no evidence supporting massive voter fraud
never has been
sigh
oak shell
The act itself is evidence
elder portal
once again Trump + supporters calling "massive voter fraud changing the EC votes" with zero evidence to support anything even close to that
foggy fern
I'm surprised they're calling that election fraud though
I thought election fraud was when an official running the election did something illegal and voter fraud is when a voter did something illegal
elder portal
again, just move to a state with few population and more EC voters than it should have. That's the easy way to vote twice. Or four or five times.
and legal
foggy fern
Or rather election fraud is when you mess with the votes or the vote counting which is generally only possible by election officials
elder portal
because your vote is worth 4-5x more than in some other states
oak shell
The electoral college is wacky and wild
elder portal
so you're effectively voting more times
easy and legal
built into the system
it's math
math cares not for your politics
that's kinda how the EC works
it's states voting
so yeah, it's a good comparison
stiff terrace
Such a bullet dodged in the US today
elder portal
if you vote while residing in one state with more EC power than it should have, your vote would count for 4-5x more than another state with less EC power than it should have
land votes, here
opaque prairie
electoral votes per population?
elder portal
the problem is each state gets at least three EC voters, but population doesn't support that
so you have to borrow from states to put those req'd votes in the smaller ones
which skews results
foggy fern
Twitter
elder portal
Cali's missing an entire 10 EC votes it should have, by population - at least in 2010
opal moat
Isn't it even worse tho? Like if it was given it by population but min 3 it would be better, but isn't it actually population plus 3
elder portal
I mean, the EC system itself heavily skews results anyway
oak shell
EC is essentially a crutch for the Republicans 
elder portal
so, yeah, if you want to legally vote more than once, twice, or even three times then you just move to a state with more EC power than it should have π
opal moat
Alaska :D
elder portal
of course, if everyone did that then the results would skew back to normalcy
elder portal
I can't remember who is the most skewed atm
foggy fern
Wyoming
near glen
Hey, now that trump is out of office, I actually can travel to the US again
opaque prairie
yes possum
near glen
That's nice
near glen
Well, again as in for the first time
foggy fern
Wyoming has fewer people than in the whole state than live in Omaha but they get 3 votes
stiff terrace
Anyone else doing mild celebrations today? Having a zoom meet up to celebrate
opaque prairie
still wouldnt do it mini
elder portal
I am
opal moat
Same wanna go together mini
opaque prairie
oh yeah def nossr
near glen
still wouldnt do it mini
@opaque prairie why not?
elder portal
I'm celebrating
opaque prairie
covid LMAO
oak shell
Yes there is
near glen
Same wanna go together mini
@opal moat I was so close to booking something for minecraft festival in the hopes of meeting some minecraft friends, I would love to meet up
elder portal
basket attempting to dispute math, again
opaque prairie
and i guess if you goto a nice city, its not so bad, but like, it just feels like the us doesnt have a lot to offer
elder portal
high productivity
near glen
and i guess if you goto a nice city, its not so bad, but like, it just feels like the us doesnt have a lot to offer
@opaque prairie I would mostly go for the ppl (not americans in generally obviously, but the few I know), and the rocky mountains with it's parks
restive seal
Basket, please stick to spreading OANN headlines and stop disputing mathematics of the electoral college.
opaque prairie
actually, yeah some of those parks are amazing. thats honestly totally worth it
that is literally the issue
that my vote doesnt correlate to the same vote as someone else
oak shell
foggy fern
Californians get 1/4th the say in who the President is vs Montanans
opal moat
No
oak shell
opal moat
Technically you're correct in that you as a person don't have a say in it anyway, but that's pointless
elder portal
the whole problem is people don't vote, land does
oak shell
There's also the problem that the EC results in votes being thrown away if they do not follow the majority in your state
opal moat
You're theoretical voting power is less in certain states than it is on others
restive seal
Oh my god I figured it out. Basket gets each point individually but does not understand the transitive property. Understands that A=B and B=C but does not realize that A = C.
I'm pretty sure that explains what's going on right now.
elder portal
I think bax is onto something
oak shell
Fans of math BTFO'd with logic as solid as thats not how it works
opal moat
bax I think you got it
glad pewter
Oh so politics is here
glad pewter
Anyway whos better for the enviorment biden or trumpet?
opaque prairie
its a relation of votes to population
oak shell
Still doesn't change the fact the most powerful areas in our country do not have the highest concentration of people
glad pewter
Texas is wild
oak shell
Represent the people but only in ohio, for some reason
oak shell
Also wouldn't someone winning without the popular vote instantly invalidate the "that's not how it works" theory
glad pewter
Hey possum where are you from
oak shell
It's literally the embodiment of uneven power distribution
opal moat
Like trump did?
elder portal
also, the EC is still the problem
oak shell
Hey possum where are you from
@glad pewter Many states but currently the south east
glad pewter
If i were watching them burn votes id beat the shit out of them
elder portal
that was Russia
glad pewter
@glad pewter Many states but currently the south east
@oak shell
Nice
oak shell
corona says otherwise
opaque prairie
why not basket
glad pewter
that was Russia
@elder portal
Russia good
opaque prairie
you have yet to explain why i cant compare two people in different states
glad pewter
Russia is next big man on the block while us goes on a civil war
sick walrus
bruh russia isn't the next big man
oak shell
No you're right, if we changed all of the variables the outcomes would be different
sick walrus
it's china
opaque prairie
lol possum
glad pewter
bruh russia isn't the next big man
@sick walrus
Russia best
it's china
@sick walrus
China is russia
sick walrus
russia is kinda epic though
sick walrus
china is russia i guess
drifting arch
wait, correct me if im wrong, but...is this guy now arguing that the EC is bad because it didnt make his candidate win? 
o.o
oak shell
Wait, that's literally THE EMBODYMENT of it being uneven
glad pewter
Shit its not cropped
glad pewter
Interesting
glad pewter
Anyway who do you think will win russias elections
drifting arch
have fun with that
opaque prairie
yeah i am dipping basket literally is failing to understand the premise of comparisons
glad pewter
Putin or putin?
oak shell
oak shell
Nah homie, I just joined today
glad pewter
Nah homie, I just joined today
@oak shell
Me too
oak shell
I literally showed you the math
sick walrus
putin learns putin behind plot to assassinate putin
restive seal
Basket, please stop ignoring basic mathematics.
elder portal
itt: basket trying to dispute math.. Again.
glad pewter
putin learns putin behind plot to assassinate putin
@sick walrus
Holy shit have you ever smoked dmt?
sick walrus
π
oak shell
Why do politicians not stop at major population centers on their tours
Despite them making up major swaths of potential voters
glad pewter
Despite them making up major swaths of potential voters
@oak shell
Theyre lazy
Too much money
oak shell
glad pewter
Imagine renting a museum in nyc and in some poughkeepsie
Poughmeepsie is cheaper ofc
glad pewter
Museums are dope tho wym
Imagine just doing it outside
Thats boring
I wanna see dinosaurs
oak shell
that's pretty based
glad pewter
Dinos are dope af
oak shell
glad pewter
Whats your fav dinosaur
oak shell
I don't know any of them
glad pewter
I wish i could say hello to a dino
Would be fucking dope
Imagine just having a convo with one
oak shell
I'd want to be an opossum
glad pewter
They prob took lotta drugs
oak shell
glad pewter
Man imagine being a dino and tripping balls
oak shell
Evolution 
oak shell
Seeing toby turner's shit trump tweet has nugget in a biscuit FRIED into my mind
glad pewter
Against the mega brain primitivist
oak shell
monke isnt enough
oak shell
Return to single cell ameoba
drifting arch
so, idk what kind of math that guy was doing, but:
montana has 696,292 registered voters and 10 electoral votes: 696292/10 => 1 electorate represents ~69,629 (nice) voters.
california has 22,000,000 registered voters (give or take, i can't find an exact number?) and 55 electoral votes => 1 electorate represents ~400000 voters.
one montana vote is worth 5.7x than a california vote IN THAT one montana vote has more power to sway their state's direction
glad pewter
Return to single cell ameoba
@oak shell
Return to covid form
so, idk what kind of math that guy was doing, but:
montana has 696,292 registered voters and 10 electoral votes: 696292/10 => 1 electorate represents ~69,629 (nice) voters.
california has 22,000,000 registered voters (give or take, i can't find an exact number?) and 55 electoral votes => 1 electorate represents ~400000 voters.one montana vote is worth 5.7x than a california vote IN THAT one montana vote has more power to sway their state's direction
@drifting arch
Wow, nerd.
Nice work tho
drifting arch
its not about one individual voting more times and swaying the nation, its about how much power one individual vote can sway their specific state
oak shell
Dude's let his addiction to the red vs blue politi-sport competition destroy the math part of mind
glad pewter
But uta not monke enough
its not about one individual voting more times and swaying the nation, its about how much power one individual vote can sway their specific state
@drifting arch
Id sway to slay all humans
drifting arch
im in
glad pewter
Dinosaurs are best
drifting arch
birds are dinosaurs
glad pewter
We will take over this simulation
glad pewter
The only based ideology is anarcho monarchist
@oak shell
Why let another human be more powerful than you
drifting arch
i dont care if you care lmao
glad pewter
Pretty cringe ngl
oak shell
Sometimes people are doing something so wrong, they obviously need a little bit of outside help and guidance
It's because we love you
opaque prairie
simple the guy is either a troll, or lacks such basic logical processing, though i so appreciate the math
drifting arch
depends on the candidate
glad pewter
All drugs will be legal
drifting arch
yeah i know bunji
oak shell
That's pog af
drifting arch
anyway, 
time for star trek
glad pewter
anyway, :partyblob:
time for star trek
@drifting arch
Cringe
oak shell
Have fun with your space communism 
drifting arch
they have dinosaur aliens
oak shell
But my chair is comfy
glad pewter
No cringe will be allowed
And drugs are all legal
And well break this simulation we live in
lethal rose
Whatβs he doing
glad pewter
And become free
oak shell
@lethal rose I believe the term is malding
lethal rose
God made me, a human. Not a dinosaur
glad pewter
God is a dino too
oak shell
Even god can make mistakes
shut vine
One thing I've noticed, is somehow there is less Russian interference under Trump than there was under Obama. π
glad pewter
Well negitiate with him dont worry
shut vine
Alleged, of course
glad pewter
Alleged, of course
@shut vine
Thats cause russians dont like
shut vine
It's because the main ones complaining, won this time
glad pewter
Xd
shut vine
You don't understand politicians
oak shell
It happened while republicans held majority power
glad pewter
You can vote only dino party 2024
oak shell
glad pewter
Hey james are you gonna vote dino 2024?
oak shell
Tardigrades are honorary dinosaurs
glad pewter
Possum youll be vp
shut vine
I'm not going to vote for extinct ideas no π
oak shell
Please elaborate
glad pewter
I'm not going to vote for extinct ideas no π
@shut vine
Then ill banish you out of existance
shut vine
LOL
oak shell
God, I need to sleep more
shut vine
Because it was funny π
glad pewter
You will be tortured beforehand
shut vine
It was a good response
glad pewter
And you will consent to the torture
oak shell
The jail cell won't even have a bidet
glad pewter
We will make you
glad pewter
Once thw world is free of people that dont support the dino party
We will acend out of the simulation
shut vine
Where is the Geneva convention police when you need them
oak shell
glad pewter
I thought you were a coder jan
oak shell
All the coders are horny
glad pewter
Since when coders have gfs
lethal rose
Huh? Are we supposed not to?
oak shell
Entire reason why programmer socks is a thing
glad pewter
Huh? Are we supposed not to?
@lethal rose
Thats like rare
lethal rose
I must not be a coder then.
oak shell
You're only allowed to horny for FOSS
shut vine
What is the dino parties platform btw?