anyone know any good guide to understand best jvms for minecraft client
#general
void void
jaunty brook
Would you guys say Paper is good even if I just want a vanilla experience?
I've been told the performance improvements alone are substantial
brave radish
Would you guys say Paper is good even if I just want a vanilla experience?
if you want pure, 100% vanilla, no, use Fabric and optimization mods. That being said, most behavioral changes introduced by Paper will not be noticed by your players, and you can always come ask for help with it here if you do notice one; it may be something you can configure or a bug that's yet to be fixed
If you're just asking if it's good to use Paper without having any plugins, but don't care if everything is 100% accurate, yes, I do this myself
jaunty brook
Well, no, I'd be fine with quality of life plugins
Ah alright, nice
Setting up a little SMP, and I trust Paper with my performance
left swift
that guy spam pinging get automuted?
vernal moth
Most of the time we take actions from internal channels plus obviously we have bots doing most of the work
charred sleet
signs up
left swift
worn ember
i had this in the textbox here and i have no idea what it was for 
true canyon
i had this in the textbox here and i have no idea what it was for <:kek:59464302...
We're going on an adventure!
spare venture
no way github is allowing code search now?
now they just need to let you search forks…
void void
It's true
mossy vessel
!ban 676842679572627458 Gore
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned Daymons#6941 (Gore) [1 total infraction] -- NotMyFault#3732.
plucky sparrow
wtf
void void
Yea
left swift
would be cool if discord had a permission to disallow links or files in chats huh
too much for the small indie company to handle
left swift
they can auto remove but it should be prevented from even being posted in first place
void void
I mean, the auto remove is pretty fast
plucky sparrow
would be cool if discord had a permission to disallow links or files in chats hu...
Then you can’t send gifs
plucky sparrow
They might not be doing it because nitro gifts and gifs use links
left swift
their stupid built in gif thing would probably be a bypass
left swift
it would also be fine to block gifs behind a permission 
vernal moth
Just when you think your day couldn't become any weirder, you end up in a twitter discussion with namecheap about cat videos on TikTok
left swift
yes that is pretty weird
vernal moth
I blame Gian
spare venture
discord is a popular bad app
plucky sparrow
I’m yet to find a cracked server owner that is good at English
left swift
why u searching for cracked server owners
left swift
yet to find means you are searching
true canyon
More likely to have it in a country that has higher poverty, lower education (thus second language English is weaker). Pretty straightforward
plucky sparrow
Yes exactly
left swift
yet to see is what you mean
spare venture
groundbreaking revelation!
true canyon
yet to find means you are searching
Don't need to search when they show up here regularly.
left swift
silly dap
spare venture
cracked server owners are poor!
void void
I’m yet to find a cracked server owner that is good at English
I'm sure %45 of them are russian and the other %45 of them are turkish (%10 for other)
spare venture
here i thought they were evil villains who were taking advantage of the poor
spare venture
you are forgetting about the entire continent of south america, almost all of whom are running cracked servers
plucky sparrow
even Spain
left swift
COME TO BRAZIL
void void
you are forgetting about the entire continent of south america, almost all of wh...
wait true
vernal moth
people always forget that there are more people natively speaking spanish than english
spare venture
from what i’ve seen almost everyone uses pirated minecraft outside of north america, western europe, australia, other english speaking countries
plucky sparrow
Just because your native language isn’t English doesn’t mean you can’t be good at it
void void
then %30 speaking russian, %30 speaking turkish, %30 speaking spanish, %10 speaking other languages on cracked servers
vernal moth
lets not make assumptions like that, it leads to nothing but discrimination and racism
vernal moth
then %30 speaking russian, %30 speaking turkish, %30 speaking spanish, %10 speak...
the turkish community is tiny in the grand scene of things, they aren't significant in any way shape or form
void void
lets not make assumptions like that, it leads to nothing but discrimination and ...
I'm racist to my own race, I wish I was born in North Europe, not Turkey
spare venture
are you talking about me? because it’s not an assumption, it’s an observation over years of running a server and hundreds of thousands of players across the world
void void
the turkish community is tiny in the grand scene of things, they aren't signific...
then %99 spanish
Okay that's enough
left swift
are you talking about me? because it’s not an assumption, it’s an observation ov...
that's what an observer would say
void void
let's stop talking about cracked servers
spare venture
okay dad
vernal moth
I'm racist to my own race, I wish I was born in North Europe, not Turkey
I mean, you are free to move
void void
I mean, you are free to move
not really
vernal moth
as somebody from turkey, immigrating into the EU isn't that hard
void void
can't move bc I need to get a job from EU first
spare venture
moving/immigrating is not easy
void void
for that, I need to win some exams
vernal moth
well, ye, education is key
spare venture
moving between states in the US was a huge challenge for me, extremely expensive physically and mentally
void void
if it was easy, I would have already abandoned Turkey
vernal moth
I didn't say easy, I said not that hard
plucky sparrow
moving between states in the US was a huge challenge for me, extremely expensive...
Did you walk across the states
void void
I didn't say easy, I said not that hard
it is hard for average turkish person
spare venture
Did you walk across the states
that would’ve made it a little harder
plucky sparrow
If so then yes it might be physically challenging
vernal moth
EU is pretty immigration friendly, we need skill
left swift
Did you walk across the states
he built an ice road through the nether
plucky sparrow
That’s smart
void void
EU is pretty immigration friendly, we need skill
the thing is... our currency's value is currently incredibly low
foggy silo
I actually used ender pearls over the border.
void void
that's the main reason
plucky sparrow
8 times less work 😎
left swift
mini can I name my CSGO team after Paper this season and rep the org
void void
there is a hyperinflation happening in Turkey because our magnificent (!) president tried using religion's economy tactics on a liberal economy in a secular country
spare venture
i do enjoy only paying 20% tax on my income
void void
working in the EU sounds really nice, the vacations alone..
EU is my dream lol
void void
I do enjoy living in a country with high social standards
true
spare venture
what is your income tax if you don’t mind
void void
I do enjoy living in a country with high social standards
I love you
vernal moth
I think ~40% of my income goes to tax, universal health care and unemployment stuff
I don't remember
void void
free health care is important
that's one of the reasons why USA is one of the last choices for me to move out to another country
spare venture
i pay like $100/mo for my healthcare and have basically the best plan possible, being healthy it’s really cheap
vernal moth
I found stuff from 2019
void void
i pay like $100/mo for my healthcare and have basically the best plan possible, ...
100 dollar is a pretty big money here
vernal moth
lemme calculate
plucky sparrow
i pay like $100/mo for my healthcare and have basically the best plan possible, ...
idk why was I expecting like $200-400
spare venture
that’s how much it costs for a family
vernal moth
meh 2019 is a bad example cause I wasn't earning fully
spare venture
i just go off of what % was deducted from my latest pay slip
vernal moth
I don't have that on my PC, lol
spare venture
oh my company self service portal lets me view it
vernal moth
not without VPN
spare venture
ahh
honestly i’m in a pretty good situation, very low income tax, healthy, low expenses. in europe id be making far less but if something went really wrong i’d be in a better situation than here
but 5 weeks vacation sounds so nice 🥺
vernal moth
I can even buy additional days off 😄
spare venture
yeah i have that option too, i get 3 weeks with option to buy 1 more right now
vernal moth
this tax shit is complicated I can't see it clearly
left swift
tax supposed to be complicated that's how they get ya
vernal moth
nah its just so much shit I deducated
spare venture
i cba to deduct expenses and shit, so much effort
vernal moth
ok so brutto wage is 100%, income tax was 18%, pension 9%, health 7.5%, care 1.7%, unemployment 1.2%, soli 1%
lets hope I didn't forget anything
spare venture
that’s really not that bad if 9% is pension
and the rest is basically also going back to you in some form someday
plucky sparrow
I really want to get out of Spain, the president made masks mandatory again which is great yet people are crying about it
vernal moth
well, its still almost 40%
spare venture
i am traveling to a state that has an exploding case rate for christmas and am so excited /s
vernal moth
and my wage is lower than what I would get in the US to begin with
I don't even know what I earned this year, this was 2020, I think 2021 was the last year when my tax rate got worse
spare venture
foggy silo
Covid going crazy where I am,
Like schools had to cancel early, but cause of finals high school and up still had to go.
spare venture
washington is universal mask requirement and seattle is vaccination requirement, ohio is like the opposite
vernal moth
https://i.imgur.com/WA2H0yl.png
tax rate vs taxable income, blue line is the marginal tax rate, dotted line the avg, red dot is where my taxable income was last year
foggy silo
Yea, I live in ohio x)
vernal moth
so yeah, not getting much worse, so looking forward to that
spare venture
my parents better have the booster because my sisters boyfriend is unvaccinated
vernal moth
no that I care, I think my tax is not badly spend
true canyon
and my wage is lower than what I would get in the US to begin with
In the US you'd want to have a huge spare pile of cash for "surprise you owe 100,000 for medical expenses" so there are pros and cons to this 🤣
spare venture
he thinks the natural immunity from when he had covid in 2020 is enough…
left swift
politics 
true canyon
Everything is politics, nothing is politics.
left swift
tell jroy not me
vernal moth
In the US you'd want to have a huge spare pile of cash for "surprise you owe 100...
yeah thats super fun, my sister had to get treated at an hospital in australia and got this giant bill
true canyon
I didn't think anything here was getting really controversially political.
plucky sparrow
We’re literally on one of the worst peaks yet they cry about having masks be mandatory
foggy silo
Welcome to ohio chad x)
spare venture
lmao
vernal moth
one email to insurance and it was paid, public healthcare and all even covers us outside of the country 🙂
true canyon
yeah thats super fun, my sister had to get treated at an hospital in australia a...
That's rough! I'm thankful I haven't had anything like that so far in life.
true canyon
one email to insurance and it was paid, public healthcare and all even covers us...
Oh snap
foggy silo
outside of the country.. what?
spare venture
washington by comparison…
unkempt drift
honestly, idrc about the number of cases, I care about the number of hospitalizations and deaths
vernal moth
thats dangerous since you ignore the long term effects an infection has
vernal moth
i cba to deduct expenses and shit, so much effort
going back to this, I got over 1k back from tax this year, its vacation money for me every year
its def worth the effort of that one hour it took me to do my taxes
left swift
u would make 1000/hr
left swift
sometimes
plucky sparrow
A thousand Lego bricks per hour?
left swift
or
true canyon
what if your rate is $1,000/hr
Then you're hiring someone else to do the taxes for you 😄
jovial plover
wtf are we waiting for
true canyon
wtf are we waiting for
Photo plan is best plan!
what
Ah, 3 month trial.
If it were totally included I'd be really excited.
foggy silo
ayo? 
true canyon
Maybe it's new in that it actually works without the web version crashing? [Not going to waste time finding out]
I love how I can only use Edge for teams or it fails to work.
foggy silo
I love how I can only use Edge for teams or it fails to work.
sounds like microsoft!!!
plucky sparrow
u suck
foggy silo
wow!!!
plucky sparrow
wow!!!
@wispy blade when are we doing enchantments
Oh no a cracked server owner 
are you even done reimplementing the library
What am I paying you for then
I’ll pay you in love
Whoops wrong one
2 in 1 shot
Just think of all the players that could enjoy the usefulness of our amazing enchantments
spare venture
why are you so interested in cracked servers lol
plucky sparrow
I’m not I’m just trying to complete my bingo
vernal moth
Yeah let's not
foggy silo
🛑
foggy silo
plucky sparrow
Not that kind of love
I mean emotional support
Reminding you that you will give up on valk
Etc
left swift
git push
plucky sparrow
Thanks for the help yesmana
left swift
no problem fap
quick pasture
??
plucky sparrow
I was worried
plucky sparrow
no problem fap
I hope you step on a Lego
left swift
vernal moth
reeeeee
foggy silo
👀
waxen panther
put a trojan in hangar 
vernal moth
I would never do something to hurt spigot in order to get people to move to more modern solutions
foggy silo
wow!!!!
teal crescent
Anyone know Discord servers that has support for hosting servers in general?
twin lagoon
@waxen panther 
teal crescent
discord.gg/syscraft
Thanks!
cerulean violet
hey can someone help me about build a plugin with src by using intellij?
vernal moth
where are you stuck?
cerulean violet
Thanks it keep saying that idk why
vernal moth
give me the full pom and the full maven log
but it looks like your whole maven installation is borked
cerulean violet
xsi:schemaLocation="http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0 http://maven.apache.org/xsd/maven-4.0.0.xsd">
<modelVersion>4.0.0</modelVersion>
<groupId>com.massivecraft</groupId>
<artifactId>Factions-aggregator</artifactId>
<version>1.6.9.5-U0.6.6</version>
<packaging>pom</packaging>
<name>Factions Aggregator Project</name>
<properties>
<project.build.sourceEncoding>UTF-8</project.build.sourceEncoding>
</properties>
<modules>
<module>modules/Legacy</module>
<module>modules/Main</module>
</modules>
<build>
<directory>FactionsIsAwesome</directory>
<sourceDirectory>FactionsIsAwesome/java</sourceDirectory>
<testSourceDirectory>FactionsIsAwesome/test</testSourceDirectory>
<plugins>
<plugin>
<artifactId>maven-compiler-plugin</artifactId>
<version>3.8.1</version>
<configuration>
<source>1.8</source>
<target>1.8</target>
</configuration>
</plugin>
</plugins>
</build>
</project>
and the log?
cerulean violet
vernal moth
your maven config seems mega fucked
oh wait
yeah this is a new maven thing
you somewhere have a repo defined that uses http, not https
cerulean violet
What should i do?
vernal moth
find that repo
cerulean violet
can i ask how?
vernal moth
its your project, lol
vernal moth
why is github is useless at displaying logs?
if you try to view logs after a step has started it displays nothing
cerulean violet
yeah thanks for ur help
vernal moth
somebody good with crowdin around to help with hangar stuff? crowdins github action and cli is downloading my source file (english), but with all values set to false, do they really expect me to accept all translations?
void void
how do i test which java i have on my mac os x?
java version "14.0.1" 2020-04-14
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 14.0.1+7)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 14.0.1+7, mixed mode, sharing)
golden gust
open terminal, `java -v...
twin lagoon
you already answered yourself
void void
is that SRE?
void void
JRE*
twin lagoon
it is always the JRE
void void
i was trying to figure out if i'm JRE vs JDK
twin lagoon
why
native wolf
JDK comes with the JRE
twin lagoon
that
golden gust
run javac, see what it says
void void
trying to get vanilla server started on my mac
golden gust
if command not found, you don't have the jdk
twin lagoon
you only need the JRE
golden gust
You don't need the jdk for mc
void void
i wanna play 1.18
twin lagoon
you just need to update to java 17
golden gust
Update java
void void
how do i update java properly?
plucky sparrow
@wispy blade why are you working on valk vlang
crystal lilyBOT
void void
i was scared of installing 2 versions accidentally
foggy silo
hi Naomi!!
worn ember
Go cry
plucky sparrow
dart is awesome youre just stupid and bad
void void
so for updating java 17 on mac os x
according to taht site
it's
brew install openjdk
that's what they tell you to do
golden gust
otherwise, you go download the installer package and instal it
void void
probably just updates everything
left swift
JDK stands for Java Deez Knuts
worn ember
JRE just reee eeee
plucky sparrow
JDK stands for Java Deez Knuts
JDK stands for j dont kcare didnt ask
quick pasture
toxic
vernal moth
can you chill?
twin lagoon
start a new terminal window to confirm, it might change your PATH which doesn't update until you start a new terminal
golden gust
twin lagoon
well, uninstall java 14
tropic flame
uninstall MacOS lmao
golden gust
export JAVA_HOME=`/usr/libexec/java_home -v 17`
the wrapper shit works in macOS properly, so, often I just use shit like that at runtime or have it in my zsh file
void void
ugh that's so weird
i did brew remove openjdk then reinstalled it
and i saw it installing 17
but now when i run -version its still 14
i am on catalina
left swift
JDK stands for j dont kcare didnt ask
plucky sparrow
https://tenor.com/view/omori-your-mother-omori-your-mother-omori-mom-omori-your-...
left swift
you are mother
plucky sparrow
i am your mother
left swift
mommy? sorry. mommy? sorry.
waxen panther
broccolai? sorry. broccolai? sorry.
left swift
shut up!
narrow edge
untold meadow
broccolai? sorry. broccolai? sorry.
best interfaces developer? sorry. best interfaces developer? sorry.
crystal lilyBOT
formal tusk
Is there any way to get sliced Nether portal frames without the update suppression
void void
/fill
void void
warm anchor
vernal moth
TIL theres a microsoft discord server
vernal moth
lol
spare venture
i died
spare venture
Instant W in the Microsoft discord server <:intjshock:810216549432164352> <:intj...
what is the inside joke
meager tusk
best interfaces developer? sorry. best interfaces developer? sorry.
interfaces 🤢
untold meadow
askers ?
spare venture
why can’t you
probably a good reason that vpns are blocked and i’m not going to tell you how to circumvent someone’s security system
what is it then
people usually don’t block vpns randomly
lol
did you get banned from a minecraft server or something
golden gust
TOR?
I mean, like, there are many security implications towards that type of shit
Like, you're relying on trusting everybody on the network, so, it's not exactly a "big" thing (and tor is compromised anyways)
meager tusk
Like, you're relying on trusting everybody on the network, so, it's not exactly ...
I mean.. how compromised is it?
You have to basically control a huge amount of exit nodes, right?
And you can literally change that with one click
golden gust
No idea how compromised it is
meager tusk
So I guess it's more of a who's who
golden gust
Just, agencies do operate exit nodes
meager tusk
Oh yeah that's true
short yarrow
so server owners usually pay devs to make custom plugins. usually if you go with someone reputable you're probably fine, but how would someone who doesn't know how to code know if a plugin that was made for them has a backdoor or not?
golden gust
I mean
they wouldn't?
theres many common patterns, e.g. blatent op shit, but, obfuscation can ez fool that
downloading and running random jars is literally childs play
you're running software on your server from people, typical "don't run random shit from the internet" applies to everything here
that implies vetting the people you purchase shit from, server I do stuff for now maintains all the git repos, guy likes to check and ask Qs about stuff, etc
But, am sure that if I really wanted to I could hide some shit in there
warm anchor
spare venture
never do contract work with someone you don’t trust entirely and isn’t reputable
ashen nacelle
agreed
worn ember
Just, agencies do operate exit nodes
the exit node only knows who sent the last packet though right?
so still dont know the origin
you only know the destination
well ig thats enough to monitor certain sites and backtrack with the power of the popo
worn ember
i dont think so
worn ember
its also been out for a while
worn ember
oh... this is total playtime amongst all players
You thought those were my stats?
foggy silo
Yes.
worn ember
I only have 7100h in dota no way I'm getting 1.2billion in the Sims xD
void void
DED is very addicted to the sims
foggy silo
I will not judge.
worn ember
I'd only play it if i didn't have to pay for it
foggy silo
🤨
vernal moth
most common death: old age
ashen nacelle
mopst common death is Fire
vernal moth
All my Sims die in the pool
foggy silo
skill issue
worn ember
I'd drown myself too if i was controlled by mini
ashen nacelle
its like sims are made of something more flammable than gasoline
worn ember
Lol
vernal moth
skill issue
It's part of the game, you invite people, get them to fuck you and join your family and then you drown them to get rid of them but keep the money and stuff
vernal moth
It's funny how my sister does the exact same
My sister is so much worse than my in many ways
Like, this channel can barely handle me, it would just implode if my sister would make this to her playing field
worn ember
one mini is enough
vernal moth
She once dated two people of competing football teams at the same time
That takes skill
worn ember
did she handle the whole team too?
native wolf
bruh
ashen nacelle
sounds like a sister complex there
vernal moth
How do I even respond to that
worn ember
my sister just moved back in with my parents after living together with her now ex bf lol
golden gust
<girl-on-couche-meme.webm>
vernal moth
Oh I got it too
worn ember
you're the one that brought your sister into this
vernal moth
I just don't wanna picture my little sister on that couch
vernal moth
We actually both gonna be sleeping at my parents for Xmas, the first time in years
So let's see how that goes
worn ember
i heard some german insurance company is hiring 
void void
don't forget to mention mini's name so he can cash in that sweet referral bonus
foggy silo
We actually both gonna be sleeping at my parents for Xmas, the first time in yea...
thank you for the information 📝 
worn ember
"minidigger sent me" they gonna be like "who?" "Oh i meant Martin" "Oh that guy"
vernal moth
i heard some german insurance company is hiring <:hmmGe:826227356477816864>
I have no idea who that might be
golden gust
lego chest guy man thing
worn ember
yeah i can understand about 5% of that
foggy silo
danke danke
void void
yeah i can understand about 5% of that
godo enough
golden gust
I understand about 0% cos we won the war
worn ember
lol
vernal moth
I get points for every page view using my link, I call that a win 😂
foggy silo
woah!
void void
yeah i can understand about 5% of that
at least the form is in english
worn ember
click this link for free steam gift cards
golden gust
ITT: We all spam the thing and see if we can get him in trouble
foggy silo
Applying.... I do not speak german so please translate 😄
vernal moth
Common, half the words on there are English
worn ember
lets spam the apply button so mini gets shit for it
vernal moth
ITT: We all spam the thing and see if we can get him in trouble
For started applications I get points too, pls do!
void void
ITT: We all spam the thing and see if we can get him in trouble
"Martin, you got half a million applications"
vernal moth
I don't know what those points do but they are points!
worn ember
GAMIFICATION WOOOO
worn ember
do it
foggy silo
yoooo
worn ember
1 application 👀
void void
Mini's gonna have to give paper chan a personal referral
vernal moth
That's a real one ded
worn ember
foggy silo
vernal moth
Mini's gonna have to give paper chan a personal referral
That's optional but I do get 25 points for that
foggy silo
I think I am ready for professional employment. 💼 🤓
void void
gamification ftw!
vernal moth
That's a real one ded
A friend of mine applied to another position, would only give me a 3k bonus, but she didn't update the header on her CV to say her name so I bet they just filtered her out, lmao
spare venture
https://1brd.ly/M42zp?sharereference=eyJzaGFyZVRva2VuIjoiajV2Nm9qaG5zaWs0IiwidGV...
is a requirement being able to read that?
vernal moth
They say nothing about German skills required
worn ember
what about programming skill 
spare venture
i don’t even know what the job is because i cannot read german
void void
what about programming skill <:blaze:350426514262720514>
It does say something about vue experience i think?
worn ember
its work
vernal moth
Full stack dev in the consumer application team
worn ember
ew vue, not this again
spare venture
alright i’m applying
golden gust
does that mean I'd get the opertuinity to sit next to you and lick you?
worn ember
hey i know 3 of those
golden gust
psh, weak
vernal moth
Got a new coworker in summer and am not trading her
foggy silo
Working with benefits
worn ember
coworkers with benefits
void void
Dunno if I’d consider cat’s presence a “benefit”
foggy silo
Wow!
vernal moth
Grow up guys, lol
foggy silo
But it means you can ping cat in real life. 
spare venture
if you need a project manager im your guy
vernal moth
Lemme see
worn ember
if you need an rtp dev i'm your guy
spare venture
i am very good at spending money, i spent $1.2 million this year
vernal moth
if you need a project manager im your guy
foggy silo
Mini just getting free points here.....
worn ember
yes
spare venture
i see a lot of words that i recognize
worn ember
i see a lot of words
golden gust
spare venture
naomi, i don’t think most jobs will hire a 12 y/o
foggy silo
destroyed.
worn ember
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1kiy0LJivA>
weeb
worn ember
void void
naomi, i don’t think most jobs will hire a 12 y/o
Doesn’t mention an age requirement
vernal moth
13 points for level 3!
spare venture
implicit 18+ requirement on most jobs lol
foggy silo
👀
worn ember
Next paper patch:
Require to visit this referal link:
golden gust
;P
void void
Photoshop
worn ember
still alone though
vernal moth
Poor Jana will not know how to deal with paper chan
foggy silo
Paper chan? Who dis?
worn ember
me handing in my paper about piracy for IT law written in a cracked version of Indesign
foggy silo
🛑
worn ember
🏴☠️
native wolf
ded is a pirate confirmed
golden gust
DED is my primary reason for supporting post-natal abortion
foggy silo
😋 🍿
worn ember
go sit in lockdown shrimp eating noodlehead
golden gust
You know what this place needs?
foggy silo
For legal reasons.... I now own your personal device.
golden gust
Some pot noodle sandwiches
worn ember
you'll get plenty of seafood when ur dams flood in 10 years
golden gust
or, fish finger sandwiches
worn ember
silly cat fish dont have fingers
foggy veldt
Salt and butter?
worn ember
if nomana was here he'd say something wise like: "butter deez nuts"
foggy veldt
Does your butter not already have salt
Ew
What does it taste like
But salt is where the butter gets its taste right?
coarse lily
If salt is cheap why is salted butter expensive?
golden gust
You can get salted butter, you can get non salted butter
I don't recall the salted type costing much more, if anything, over the standard
coarse lily
In the US salted butter vs unsalted butter costs the same.
Basically you pick whichever you want.
golden gust
I mean, they basically win for the salted one cos like, salt is cheaper than butter, ofc
so, pound for pound...
golden gust
!ban @worn ember no.
foggy silo
Ping cat to see your infractions (real hack)
worn ember
lmfao
foggy silo
OR give them a timeout >:)
worn ember
the reason has the r word in it thats why
coarse lily
the reason has the r word in it <:kek:594643029994897408> thats why
Maybe be an adult and don't use that word then?
golden gust
and then the 3rd one
golden gust
Like, am all for a good joke, but, like, gotta be careful these days
worn ember
Maybe be an adult and don't use that word then?
just dont get offended by it 
golden gust
It's all fun and games until you call your bestie a bitch and somebody else starts going crazy about it 😄
worn ember
saying the b word in 2021 smh
ur welcome
i dont even watch twitch
wtf go wash your toes
worn ember
i saw some HBO series and boy do they push for that shit lmao
ashen nacelle
drinking some MtnDew Voltage right now
worn ember
drinking some coke zero rn
ashen nacelle
going to watch the new Matrix today
worn ember
lucky
here they decided we shouldn't see movies anymore
they closed down the movie theatres again
ashen nacelle
it is on HBO Max
worn ember
its like HBO but bigger
ashen nacelle
golden gust
am brit
coarse lily
HBO Max isn't available in the UK, cat.
golden gust
We don't get stuff like that
ashen nacelle
use a VPN lolz
golden gust
Well, yea, dat was da joke
coarse lily
Ah
golden gust
That's dumb
It's like, to use a service
I've gotta pay for said service, and then fuck around with a VPN to be able to use said service
Like, support small companies and shit
But, if a large company wants to be an ass and make it impossible to get shit legally, that's on them
golden gust
those f'ers wouldn't even dine me first
worn ember
like it takes 2 clicks to bypass
and its just pointless
unless its a pyramid scheme and they're in bed with the VPN providers
ashen nacelle
sadly Netflix is pulling the big Fuck you and is threatening to ban people using a VPN to bypass geolocking restrictions.
golden gust
well, all of the streaming services have their own things
like, different subsidaries
worn ember
lmao like they can track that
magic river
We added a thing to let people post messages in our app at work, meant for little news alerts or whatever. It lets you attach images to these messages. Turns out we never validated they were actually putting images there, just relying on the browser only letting them put an image in
The only message that has anything attached to it so far has a PDF
coarse lily
Haha
ashen nacelle
lmao like they can track that
they can. your account has a ip locaiton when made and they can track if the account is being accessed from another ip location
worn ember
just use the vpn to create the account then
ashen nacelle
just use the vpn to create the account then
vpn will still show a different ip for each different location you want to apepar from
golden gust
I mean, I guess the billing address is irrelevant if you stick to the VPN
worn ember
stupid legal documents always ruining it
magic river
Disney+ also threatens to ban VPN users and people sharing accounts
golden gust
Or, well, region
magic river
I don't know if any of them have yet
golden gust
their means to do so is limited
e.g. with VPNs they just have to look good enough on the network to just look like many other ISPs leasing, etc
worn ember
its a cat and mouse game which just costs them more money that it brings in
worn ember
vpn will still show a different ip for each different location you want to apepa...
what if you're traveling?
magic river
Right, how can they tell the difference between me and a friend streaming something at the same time in different houses and a family watching something at the same time one of their kids is watching on their phone at a friend's house?
worn ember
then you cant watch netflix anymore
magic river
VPN usage is easier to spot, if you're hopping back and forth between countries too fast
Or if you're sharing your account with someone in another city/state/country
ashen nacelle
what if you're traveling?
if you are travelling it would be different. if you arent using a vpn it would show you really being in another location. vpn ip's are identified as beloning to a vpn.
magic river
VPN IPs can be somewhat hard to ID as a VPN
worn ember
you can easily set up your own
magic river
But when you're travelling you tend to stay in one place for a while
worn ember
not if its business trips
magic river
You won't be watching in the UK in the morning and US in the afternoon
worn ember
well ig thats true
golden gust
Issue with setting up your own is finding somewhere to actually do that
magic river
Setting up your own VPN is more likely to get it flagged as a VPN
worn ember
wym? its just routing data, its not like its not allowed on providers?
ashen nacelle
You can use VPNs in the U.S. – Running a VPN in the U.S. is legal, but anything that's illegal without a VPN remains illegal when using one (e.g. torrenting copyrighted material).
VPNs are banned by a few countries – Some countries, including China, Russia, Iraq, and North Korea, restrict or ban the use of VPNs.
VPNs use can breach terms of service – It isn't illegal to access services such as Netflix over a VPN, though it does breach their terms of use, and streaming services are getting better at blocking VPNs.
Law enforcement can demand information – some VPN providers have and will share user information with the authorities when requested, whereas others have been unable to provide it due to their no logs promise.
golden gust
e.g. if your IP is coming from OVH or hetzner, etc, it's pretty obvious to be flagged
magic river
VPN providers are getting CenturyLink, Comcast, etc IPs for their services
worn ember
lame
golden gust
ASNs are important here
frank otter
wait is the new matrix out
ashen nacelle
VPNs and Illegal Activities
While using a VPN itself is rarely unlawful, certain online activities remain illegal, whether you’re using a VPN or not. These may include:
Illegal file-sharing – Also known as torrenting, this is where users simultaneously download and upload copyright-protected content (such as music, movies, and games) between each other over the internet.
Hacking – Gaining unauthorized access to computers or networks belonging to other companies or individuals, either to disrupt activity, carry out acts of fraud or steal data, is illegal.
Buying, selling, or downloading on the dark web – The dark web is an under-the-radar area of the internet, where a great deal of illegal activity occurs, such as buying or selling drugs, weapons, and other illicit materials, or accessing illegal pornography.
Cyberstalking – It’s illegal to stalk someone online and cover your tracks using a VPN.
ashen nacelle
wait is the new matrix out
yep it released today
ashen nacelle
ofc the chinese goverment is pissed
because china cant exploit it to spy and declare cyberwar against the rest of the world.
magic river
Supposed to get the exploit to their version of the NSA so they can use it against US firms 😛
ashen nacelle
there is already a ransomeware out there that utilizes the log4j exploit
vernal moth
Hahaha no they just buy them
ashen nacelle
magic river
The Matrix 4 is very meta, this is weird
lament patio
Tech news are just taking the first log4j exploit and running with it at this point
magic river
I feel like I'm watching Bioshock Infinite where they pull back the curtain and explain how the story is just a repeat
coarse lily
The Matrix 4 is very meta, this is weird
No spoilers, man!
magic river
I thought I was being generic but yeah, I suppose
ashen nacelle
tired heath
Wait is dev bukkit partly down or is it just my account 😄
true canyon
I just got to bukkitdev just fine
tired heath
Like the project detail pages as well?
true canyon
Clicked around a bit, loaded some project pages, everything seemed okay.
tired heath
thx, weird, I get internal server errors 😄
But only if I'm logged in, what did I do wrong again
^^
ashen nacelle
server pregeneration task 89.9% complete with 5 hours remaining
quick halo
@uncut blade if you do ifconfig / ipaddr to get the mac address of each device, do you then matching output on the other device with arp -a ?
quick halo
MAC address is like a format of ba:9c:ec:ee:f2:78
quick halo
ok, any vpn things running on any device?
uncut blade
nope
quick halo
assume its running on default port, but from a terminal can you telnet to port 25565 of the server from your machine? (telnet 1.2.3.4 25565)
uncut blade
no route to host
no route to host with just the IP either
but pinging the server works
quick halo
lets go dms
uncut blade
okay
worn ember
potent fossil
potent fossil
HmmmMMmmmm what could Mari be up to making nightmare pickles on github
potent fossil
She cut you off, but she didn't have to?
potent fossil
left swift
I get it like the song
left swift
simple is never nice to me 
potent fossil
Your playlists are already old news so I'm grumpy
golden gust
potent fossil
left swift
magic river
Like, that movie just didn't need to exist
potent fossil
I could've told you it sucked without seeing it @magic river
golden gust
I just wanted y'all to know
everyones a letdown
it just depends on how far down they can go
magic river
It was like the Fast and Furious movies but tried to not just be constant stupid action so was also just boring or surreal half the time
Also insanely meta and I swear like 1/4 the runtime was literally a clip show
spare venture
ngl i didn’t like the second or third ones… the third one was pretty bad to me
wasn’t intending on seeing 4 unless it got 10/10 reviews
magic river
2 and 3 were pretty bad too but at least they had a story to tell
potent fossil
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4Zi3ikPqMP5kE6bhYggvem?si=y1nAPN47RJqcriL5cUhQ...
I don't usually do it but I'll try it because it's new
magic river
They literally said it was because of money IN THE MOVIE
spare venture
that bad huh
magic river
That's what I mean by being meta
spare venture
i heard the new spider-man is good
potent fossil
what the fuck, that dumbass song just had a sound effect that made it sound like my headphones switched from A2DP to HSP and I instinctively opened pavucontrol to check
@left swift ur playlist sux
left swift
potent fossil
what the fuck mana
why do you have hail to the king by a7x in PUNK????
this is metal bro
potent fossil
This is a crime
foggy silo
twin lagoon
warm anchor
https://imgur.com/cIz5Cg3
potent fossil
Mfw mana hasn't seen it yet
golden gust
the fuck of a shit in the fuck of a wat
twin lagoon
hello my beloved pimple
potent fossil
I particularly love how the rat just let it happen as well (unless it was dead, but whatever)
twin lagoon
rat's just vibing
left swift
its just trying to keep warm
golden gust
I mean, they're vicious
probs killed it itself before it chowed down, not that dead rats, etc, are all too rare in city centres
potent fossil
this is probably stupid but how do i check what this gpg revocation cert is for without actually revoking my key
bc i dont even remember
is there a way to "import" it so i can see its info without it taking action
potent fossil
oh thx
aight that worked well enough, just wanted to see what key it was for
They are patched
Oh vanilla
I don't know, but I'd think mojang patched them
lean kiln
mojang patched clients
only 1.18.1+ vanilla servers are patched
paper has patched old versions however
potent fossil
sux
you'll need an external cache
depends how you're accessing it 
use a java cache then, something like caffeine
it'll still be slow on first lookup but then stays in the cache
whatever it's a good lib
no you cache the objects you are looking up
how do you expect to cache a write
at some point it's going to have to sync to disk
I mean...? I have no idea. Maybe use Hikari or something to hold connections open
Then the SQLite file keeps handles open
Yeah I don't think you can really work your way around this, if the disk is slow then the disk is slow
You could do most of your data operations in memory and sync to disk at intervals
lean kiln
you shouldn't need to Class.forName there
and it would cause issues if the driver is changed
well drop that line
potent fossil
That's probably what I'd do. Just do everything in memory and have a task that syncs to disk every so often
I guess
Ok
I don't see why that changes
that's what i said
yup lol, this is a bandaid. like i said, if the disk is slow then the disk is slow
golden gust
I mean, batching and prepared statements, etc, exist
Just, theres many caveats to that
(i'd also be using h2 instead of sqlite, but 🤷♀️ )
potent fossil
jetbrains datagrip 
just make addThing add stuff to be added into a Queue of objects, then you can keep the hasElapsed I guess and drain the queue to a set of stuff to do and use a transaction
also, inserts can contain multiple things
INSERT INTO TABLE (col1, col2, col3) VALUES (val1, val2, val3),(val4, val5, val6),(val7, val8, val9);
etc etc etc
that will be 3 separate rows
...?
lol, ok
use an actual java Queue, then you can just call the drain method when its time and then you can loop the drained set and do an insert with a sql transaction or smth but im really not sure how much this is going to end up combatting the slow disk
a transaction will hold all the changes in memory until you commit it, but i dont think that's going to help speed much. all of this seems like an exercise in futility
exactly and the code you just sent does not eliminate that at all
oh i wasn't reading that close enough, i thought you were calling your own method with addBatch but it's the jdbc one. well, I guess maybe. Try it I suppose
yup
it might help, who knows
foggy veldt
jetbrains datagrip <a:peepoClapJamminMoment:792177151448973322>
Thank you! TIL
potent fossil
np it's great
potent fossil
south matrix
can vouch
astral linden
Looks like:
sql.execute("INSERT INTO table VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?);", param1, param2, param3, param4);```i think autoken is just writing an mvp
peak ginkgo
lol
potent fossil
astral linden
In reality I have a helper for everything 🗿
potent fossil
minimum viable product, as in "ugly is ok because im going to change it later because this is just attempts to get it to work"
astral linden
Not sure what you'd want in order for it to be strongly typed enough
Not like it could easily do all the type checking itself
potent fossil
plain jdbc (and jdbi ❤️) and other well integrated sql stuff actually works with the ide to know the type of a field in the db schema and so on
astral linden
Mine is just a wrapper for jdbc
potent fossil
so does your IDE actually realize it is SQL and provide highlighting and whatnot?
south matrix
no but IJ can do that
astral linden
Nope
south matrix
gave me a tip for it yesterday lmao
foggy veldt
I don’t see what’s so ugly about it besides the error handling
potent fossil
There's nothing wrong with that
astral linden
The verbosity
potent fossil
The part that hurts me is you guys all saying in unison that your IDE does not highlight your SQL
astral linden
Doesn't really matter to me
Creates a prepared statement, sets the values, executes it
The params are objects
potent fossil
Just, https://jdbi.org/
astral linden
.bind(0, param1).bind(1, param2).bind(2, param3).bind(3, param4)
potent fossil
so pretty https://owo.whats-th.is/6rZwyAC.png
astral linden
Yeah I'm good lol
astral linden
I'd rather have a basic wrapper
potent fossil
dont need to escape those lol
astral linden
There are some things I go overboard on with abstractions but that's a bit much for me
lean kiln
you could use """text " blocks""" 
astral linden
Text blocks are nice but I have only used them once
potent fossil
jdbi is actually wonderful when you have a fuckload of sql to do, but meh whatever, y'all do what you're gonna do
i mean you can read the JEPs
astral linden
Yes
Cause there are keywords that have been reserved but unused for a long time
Any of those would be a good bet
You can't use const for example
Nor _
And _ is apparently going to be part of syntax soon
fallen oracle
Yeah I'm taking another stab at jdbi soon
potent fossil
me:
long one_beeeeelyon = 1_000_000_000L;
mm yes generators in java
astral linden
Commas are ambiguous
foggy veldt
jdbi is actually wonderful when you have a fuckload of sql to do, but meh whatev...
Yea I use jdbi / hibernate if db operations get tedious but I would rather just use plain jdbc than a wrapper of preparedstatement.setObject
astral linden
Like what if you have an int... function
How would it know that you're passing 1,000,000 as one number instead of 3
potent fossil
Yea I use jdbi / hibernate if db operations get tedious but I would rather just ...
me too, if i was going to use plain jdbc i would not use a wrapper like that
but to each their own
astral linden
And yes underscores are ignored in number literals already
You can do 1_000_000
Which is a perfectly fine compromise for me
But that's not what I mean by underscores being part of syntax
I mean they will be used for ignored lambda parameters
Like (a, _) ->
I'm sure you could make a plugin for that
Maybe someone already has
lean kiln
yeah thats like kotlin
you can already just use $s for those if you want
I mean, don't get me wrong, using _ for each param is slightly better compared to an incrementing amount of $, but naming stuff is most of the time even better (there are cases where it's not needed but a lot of the time omitting names makes the code harder to read outside the ide)
foggy veldt
If you click on a variable I believe it will highlight every use of that variable. Not sure how helpful that is to you
peak ginkgo
forgot how beautiful jdbi is
peak ginkgo
dead serious, escaping isn't the worst and in mysql/postgres not even required
SELECT id,another_thing FROM table WHERE value=1;
potent fossil
i was also dead serious i love jdbi 
void void
And yes underscores are ignored in number literals already
rust core language feature 😌
astral linden
hello
No
Just do while (!packetEntryQueue.isEmpty())
I mean you can also do it that way
But doing it with isEmpty is more idiomatic
Also doesn't poll throw an exception if there is no element?
Or is that another method? I forget
golden gust
do note that poll will generally block
lean kiln
void void
Thank you paper developers and the people in this discord for making it possible for me to run a minecraft server for the last 2 years!
coarse lily
\o/
foggy silo
spiral robin
Pretty decent!!
astral linden
Glad to hear it
spiral robin
What about you?
astral linden
Doin real fuckin good
spiral robin
Ahh good to hear
astral linden
I have been insanely productive ever since break started
void void
I have not
spiral robin
Lol, side projects?
void void
I sleep
astral linden
Yeah
spiral robin
Sick, what kinda stuff
astral linden
To the point where I ran out of things to work on
spiral robin
Damn im jelly
void void
devden smp is the bane of my productivity
south matrix
nah he hasn't done anything
void void
I blame redempt
astral linden
Well first I was annoyed at jitpack so I wrote my own maven server that can automatically generate missing builds and hosts and updates javadocs
Put it on redempt.dev which I bought recently
astral linden
Yeah I'm real happy about it
Then I wrote a json parser in rust
Cause I'm a parser guy
void void
faster than me :(
spiral robin
This is an amazin ui
astral linden
Can't say I know a language unless I have written a json parser in it first
astral linden
This is an amazin ui
It is a build server to be fair
Basically just a file server that auto builds
spiral robin
Can't say I know a language unless I have written a json parser in it first
That might be a good thing to me to do… gonna steal that idea
astral linden
Then I rewrote my entire config library