#general

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left swift
zenith maple
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ah oki. thought that channel is dedicated for paper development xd

potent fossil
zenith maple
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thanks

foggy silo
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But it does the job… right? x)

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Np!

potent fossil
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glad that worked out

plucky sparrow
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new thread -> thread sleep

left swift
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uh simple

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do u see what I see

potent fossil
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i see amogus sussy

left swift
fallen oracle
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Just saw that LOL

plucky sparrow
foggy silo
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Very required!

left swift
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the other one works as a reaction but not if I post it in a message? roundnthonk

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festive sus

worn ember
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kinda sus

plucky sparrow
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sussy

foggy silo
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a suspectable amount of sussyness

worn ember
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PartyRealms more like deadrealms amirite

limber knotBOT
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dedrealms*

left swift
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ded bought out party

worn ember
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im sure it would have more than 13players then

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i just dont want to spend the time setting up a server

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back in the day you didnt need no fancy spawn or a billion plugins to get full servers

void void
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:(

foggy silo
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it's ok ILY noah 😍

void void
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it applied on spigot, okay

foggy silo
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😩 damn

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wdym "hot spots"

granite meadow
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hi

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awesome video selection

plucky sparrow
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LOL

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no way

faint crystal
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Why does spigot not have EntityMoveEvent ? sdfsdfsdfsdf

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Hangar wen

south matrix
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just make your own it's simple

void void
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just make your plugin download and replace the server jar with paper thinksmart

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while you're at it, make it update to 1.18

faint crystal
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1.18.1 *

foggy silo
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Smart

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Big brain auto paper update

south matrix
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PaperLib.suggestPaperForcefully (Bukkit.shutdown())

foggy silo
faint crystal
foggy silo
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I was looking for entity move event the other day… does it even exist? I could only find player move event.

faint crystal
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paper implements it

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spigot for some reason chooses not to

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thank you md_5

south matrix
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pfft you wouldnt see a performance impact java Bukkit.getScheduler().runTaskTimer(plugin, () -> { Bukkit.getWorlds().forEach(world -> { world.getEntities().forEach(entity -> { Location previous = entity.getLocation(); Bukkit.getScheduler().runTask(plugin, () -> { Location next = entity.getLocation(); if (!previous.equals(next)) { Bukkit.getPluginManager().callEvent(new EfficientEntityMoveEvent(entity, previous, next)); } } } } }, 0, 1);👍

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i probably should have used an IDE to type that out

faint crystal
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I am performance addict

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and I don't like this

foggy silo
south matrix
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but it's an EfficientEntityMoveEvent so it's fine hell

south matrix
void void
faint crystal
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yes saw it 4 times on #general already thank you noah

foggy silo
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Haha that’s incredible

faint crystal
foggy silo
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Well I mean… you have to do that sometimes.

faint crystal
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not if the api is not trash

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like I shouldn't have to do that

faint crystal
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thats paper tho

south matrix
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Spigot-API-Patches

faint crystal
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yea they patch the spigot api they're spigot api patches not spigot's api patches

raw sand
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idk if this is where I should ask this, but I have a 1.18.1 server, and breeded villagers aren't taking professions

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the naturally spawned ones are

south matrix
faint crystal
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I was

hollow notch
worn crest
ancient zodiac
faint crystal
red timber
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what

lament patio
heady marlin
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What happened to 87?

coarse lily
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87?

void void
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they probably mean 67

heady marlin
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*67

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Sorry, typo

void void
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I'm pretty sure that was because the ci had some issues

stray nebula
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Anyone know why my server console displays like this in firefox lol? It's a pterodactyl panel. Just not sure what I messed up

heady marlin
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This looks like art

void void
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allow canvas fonts or whatever it's called

south matrix
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kek

heady marlin
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Oh hi gecko

south matrix
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do i know you

heady marlin
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Probably not, but I know you

south matrix
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spooky

stray nebula
twin lagoon
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that's how it looks like normally

void void
stray nebula
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It looks higher res in Opera for some reason, but yeah. And thanks for the hint btw

lapis shale
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Is there a way to disable Nether Portal Auto Chunk Loading mechanics?

IE: A player created a chunk loader using a nether portal and dispencer (Shooting items through it constantly) for a mob farm

warm anchor
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I believe that doesn’t work on paper

worn ember
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belgium 2 days late as usual

warm anchor
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@worn ember your 1.18 plugin is over 2 weeks late riesad

worn ember
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i still blame spigot

lapis shale
foggy veldt
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Who was the person implementing a bunch of mc stuff in crystal

mighty storm
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oh thought that said IN 87

frigid cosmos
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hey guys is the 1.18.1 build for paper a release or test? TIA

lapis shale
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ITs been working great for us

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We average 30 plugins with 30 players at peak time

frigid cosmos
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awesome thanks, going to throw up my 1.18.1 server then!

viscid wedge
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1:1 player to plugin ratio

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kinda scary

worn ember
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ok weeb

viscid wedge
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stfu you yugioh name sounding head ass bitch

worn ember
viscid wedge
worn ember
coarse lily
viscid wedge
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It was a joke and they know it was a joke

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I'm not being mean

coarse lily
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Everyone else doesn't know it's a joke. We don't want to encourage people talking like that to each other in here.

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So make your joke a little less jerky, pelase.

viscid wedge
lapis shale
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🙂 Everyone is here to help and support eachother

viscid wedge
coarse lily
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You must have missed all the stuff people have said like that which gets them banned.

viscid wedge
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Won't do it again.

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Why am I different?

coarse lily
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Because step 1 is ask nicely.

viscid wedge
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What's a permissible way to tease other users then, ones I've previously interacted with who know that I'm not out to get them

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Or is that just entirely not permitted

coarse lily
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If you have friends and you want to tease them, go for it. Just don't be so over the top that everyone who doesn't know you thinks you're attacking them.

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There's a pretty big line between teasing someone and saying "stfu you yugioh name sounding head ass bitch"

viscid wedge
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Lame. Alright.

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@worn ember I apologize if I hurt your feelings

magic river
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I think you missed the point

twin lagoon
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@coarse lily @coarse lily @coarse lily @coarse lily @coarse lily @coarse lily @coarse lily @coarse lily @coarse lily @coarse lily

ashen cliff
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@twin lagoon

twin lagoon
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KRUSIC! BRO!

ashen cliff
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BRO.

magic river
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DED might be fine with what you said (if not that's another problem) but at least one other person apparently though you were attacking and not teasing so other people didn't understand it

viscid wedge
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This is just a different environment than I'm used to. Most other places I'm active, that message would've been entirely permissible because it doesn't actually carry malicious intent. But I guess I see the point.

magic river
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Gotta make the teasing more obviously teasing and not attacks

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How do we know it didn't carry malicious intent?

coarse lily
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Yeah intent can't be inferred easily.

magic river
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DED didn't reply in a way that would make that obvious and your message looks really harsh to an outsider

viscid wedge
magic river
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You aren't the first or only people to have that problem although if staff know the people involved they likely understand what's happening and let it go

coarse lily
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It's easy to forget sometimes that it's not a small guild with just a few people in it, but a big one with a bunch of randos coming and going.

magic river
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(they probably shouldn't but yeah)

warm anchor
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Yeah paper guild has gotten so big

magic river
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On the other hand we all abuse offline mode and outdated people 😄

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But those people aren't actually human so it's okay

viscid wedge
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I feel like it'd be less of an issue if there were less genuine children joining

foggy silo
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Well… this is Minecraft.

viscid wedge
spare venture
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oh wow there's almost 30k people in this discord now

viscid wedge
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too many

spare venture
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y

cosmic raft
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@spare venture why did you change your name again

coarse lily
viscid wedge
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90% never speak

spare venture
cosmic raft
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i have more important things generally

spare venture
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more important than noticing my name changes? wow

cosmic raft
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yes

magic river
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You could change it back 😛

spare venture
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i could

magic river
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Or do we only do that to brocc?

spare venture
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uh the story is that a large number of players on my server convinced themselves that my name is actually chad

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so i adopted the name

worn ember
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all those 14 players?

spare venture
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did you just go and look to see how many players were online on my server

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why are you so obsessed with me ded 😳

magic river
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DED has a window always visible with your player count

ashen cliff
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Now you just have to buy Nitro and use the server profiles.

viscid wedge
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If we can't bully offline mode users, can we bully old PvP players?

spare venture
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doint bully anyone?

viscid wedge
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I was kidding

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Back to the drawing board once again...

mental meadow
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Tone indicators! Tone indicators are epic!

viscid wedge
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but why

spare venture
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/s

magic river
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I bully the fuck out of PVP players

peak ginkgo
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I bully people ¯_(ツ)_/¯

warm anchor
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That’s why I communicate among with emojis coz it shows intention

magic river
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PVP in general is meh, melee PVP is extra meh, online melee PVP is garbage, and MC (any version) has the worst implementation of online melee PVP known to man

spare venture
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my words always contain my intention

mental meadow
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Emojis can also be a tone indicator Eternity 😄

peak ginkgo
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emojis are great. look at how expressive this guy is

mental meadow
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blob epic

warm anchor
peak ginkgo
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exact same energy

mental meadow
peak ginkgo
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usable for good news and bad news

spare venture
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idk players seem to like being able to punch eachother

viscid wedge
foggy silo
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Now… when will there be those tone indicators irl…. Sarcasm blows over my head. I could use some of those x)

magic river
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MC pvp is funny if you've got like 8 people who know each other playing and occasionally you'll punch someone

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As a competitive thing it's a complete shitshow

warm anchor
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Yeah it’s fun for friends

spare venture
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agree

warm anchor
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Anyone calls if competitive never played a real competitive game

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Where reaction and timing actually matters

spare venture
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i am bringing optional pvp/self flag pvp to my server and i think it'll be fine

viscid wedge
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I really don't enjoy competitive multiplayer

foggy silo
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I remember I was part of a pvp team.

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I sucked,

viscid wedge
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People take it too seriously

foggy silo
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The only reason I was good is because there was a bug with a command

warm anchor
foggy silo
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Which would allow me to instantly heal.

warm anchor
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We take it very very seriously

foggy silo
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I play “arcade” over watch.

foggy silo
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I hate competitive play, unnecessary toxicity.

warm anchor
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When 40 million is on the line @viscid wedge

foggy silo
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“Yes this person is online so let’s hurl all my insults at them.”

magic river
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How accurate is this video for dota? 😄

viscid wedge
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Most competitive I play is Quake skirmishes on random servers

warm anchor
viscid wedge
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Yeah if you wanna see mean, join a League or CS match

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Bonus points if you're a beginner

warm anchor
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Yeah you get to call other people newbie after you get 2000 hours on Dota

viscid wedge
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I... Don't think I have 2000 hours in a series, let alone a single game.

viscid wedge
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jesus

gilded remnant
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I installed minecraft in flatpak so even if somehow the exploit affects me nothing can happen

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Since its in isolation

floral horizon
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does some know a worlddownloader mod?

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for 1.17.1

upbeat falconBOT
true canyon
warm anchor
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Mbaxter seasoned Dota player!

spare venture
magic river
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I can confirm mbax plays a lot of dota

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Or used to anyway

worn ember
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paper snowflakes wouldnt survive in dota lul

warm anchor
ashen cliff
viscid wedge
true canyon
urban reef
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whos the best server host

gilded remnant
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a vps

viscid wedge
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Yourself

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Open a datacenter

worn ember
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@warm anchorhelp me

warm anchor
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Techie naga?

worn ember
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sniper

urban reef
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whos a good* server host

full silo
worn ember
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5th time

ashen cliff
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Daily reminder: No RCE.

swift root
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What

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Daily reminder: update and restart Minecraft clients and servers to RCE-proof yourself

gilded remnant
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i-

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I just ran MC launcher in a flatpak and on the newest version

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

maiden shoal
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Olá homens

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D boa?

twin lagoon
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no

maiden shoal
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Pq

twin lagoon
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no

maiden shoal
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Att

twin lagoon
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absolutely not

maiden shoal
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Entendo perfeitamente

twin lagoon
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no

maiden shoal
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Ss

lean kiln
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English server

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stop spamming please

maiden shoal
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Why?

lean kiln
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Because you've been asked to by a moderator

maiden shoal
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Oh ok

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I was trying to look for someone of my nationality, but ok.

lean kiln
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our moderation team speaks english

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we can't moderate other languages

maiden shoal
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Ok

floral horizon
queen wigeon
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Ee

maiden shoal
floral horizon
maiden shoal
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oh so you only know portuguese?

floral horizon
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i understand spanish but not speak it and i can speak english

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used to know french 🤡

maiden shoal
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if any translation is that I'm using Google translator to communicate

floral horizon
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i noticed in that message now

maiden shoal
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we Brazilians can understand a lot of Spanish because our languages ​​are similar!

bleak anvil
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How come Michael gets to be pink?

floral horizon
peak ginkgo
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noone tell him

floral horizon
maiden shoal
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what's your nationality?

potent fossil
bleak anvil
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DeJay is pink, too? :(

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Life isn't fair

maiden shoal
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Kkkk

golden gust
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best I can offer you is instant coffee

bleak anvil
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🤮

maiden shoal
golden gust
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then you should get the "joke" there

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and don't mention

maiden shoal
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Sorry 😖

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Bye

foggy silo
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Hi cat!

spiral robin
foggy silo
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Hi aber 😻

floral horizon
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im from portugal

tropic flame
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ABSOLUTELY BASEADO

full silo
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Instant coffee isnt the worst scenario

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It sucks but it works

viscid wedge
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Lucko what the FUCK

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That's surprisingly coherent of SpigotDrama though

foggy silo
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The development team ** ! **

swift root
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@warm anchor

foggy silo
warm anchor
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@swift root how may I help you today?

swift root
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UwU

foggy silo
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Hi Larry!!

spare venture
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ban them for adding symbols to their name to get on top of the list 🙄

warm anchor
patent charm
cunning raft
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yeah fuck those guys

foggy silo
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I agree SMH

potent fossil
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hi

foggy silo
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Hi!!

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pimple delawair

potent fossil
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ya

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thats my name dont wear it out

foggy silo
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Yep yep… how are YOU?

potent fossil
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i am oké

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gonna make some eggnog and pour a fuckload of brandy in it

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also who tf is povcik bc i just got a discord friend req from them and never heard of em

foggy silo
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I just ignore most friend requests

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Half of them are just random bots

potent fossil
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hopefully pencil doesn't mute me again but, i found out why he friend requested me #paper-dev message

foggy silo
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Ahh….

spare venture
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over LinkedIn? jfc

potent fossil
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and still continuing somehow even after being banned

full silo
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Wait this spigotdrama twitter account is insane

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It just tweets word salad every hour?

potent fossil
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yeah, it's a very simple app lol

foggy silo
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Nope it’s actually fact x)

full silo
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Its brilliant

worn ember
full silo
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Does it run off a bot or something

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Or is it eventually going to run out of phrases

potent fossil
full silo
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gpt-3 is starting to become more available...

potent fossil
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it's not even ai

full silo
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This is golden

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Its almost legitimate

potent fossil
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yup it's pretty good

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that one is just this template [people] adds [code] to [things] for [events], causing [drama] on [sites]

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and it replaces the people, code, things, events, drama, and sites with random selections

full silo
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Its my new favorite thing

potent fossil
south matrix
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decodes to {"sentence":14,"people":[24],"things":[82],"function":[27],"price":[11]}

waxen panther
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bi monthly rediscovery of spigot drama generator

south matrix
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i think they need to add log4j

left swift
waxen panther
left swift
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@waxen panther peepoRiot

waxen panther
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Can I help you

left swift
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Yes id like to report a moderation attack

warm anchor
# waxen panther

brocco your mother(JRoy) has informed me that it is officially passed your bed time.

waxen panther
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I have no power here

left swift
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Can you file a complaint i can't write

waxen panther
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Tell jroys dumb ass to say that to me himself

left swift
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take my statement

warm anchor
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lol

waxen panther
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I’ll join da vc soon tho

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Doin a little cleaning

warm anchor
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leaf was sad he missed the #69 patch

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he has lost all motivation to continue

left swift
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finally

waxen panther
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retiredleaf

static badge
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at-mods

left swift
upbeat falconBOT
chrome quest
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Is the paper 1.18.1 safe to use on production?

potent fossil
chrome quest
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I'll take that as a maybe

potent fossil
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take backups as usual so you can go back in case of catastrophic Armageddon nuclear meltdown

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but, err, have at it

viscid wedge
finite swift
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I created a bot that create guilds for me

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not sure if its against tos

trim oracle
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does it use the discord bot api? if so, then it's fine

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if it uses the user api, then it's a violation

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pretty simple

finite swift
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yes use discord bot api

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i think its fine then

full silo
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Does ConfigurationSection permit multiple root tags?

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Cannot remember

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It can

left swift
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what's the point

left swift
south matrix
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modular
expandable
efficient

merry talon
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tfw your name isn't on the drama generator sadge

warm anchor
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Send in PR tro

merry talon
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no u

chrome cosmos
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"Prof_Bloodstone considers Fabric more stable than mcMMO"

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wow

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best ai

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feature request

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auto ping pog

potent fossil
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how about no

chrome cosmos
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no

void void
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next person to say pog gets blocked

whole steppe
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help with the problem please, updated the kernel, installed fresh essentials, but the sign stores do not work on the server (before that they did not work for a week either) I can’t figure out how to restore them

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before there were no problems, everything worked for a year, as the server exists, but a week or two ago something happened and the shops on the plates are no longer created and cannot be used, version 1.12.2 paper

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if there are guesses and options I will be glad to hear, any help is appreciated
pepe_exhausted

coarse lily
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I would probably check the Essentials Discord.

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If it's a signs/essentials issue.

whole steppe
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oh for sure) thanks, I just didn’t sleep for a day

solid ermine
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Hello!

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Is there anyone that can possibly help with this weird issue I’ve been having on my server ?

coarse lily
solid ermine
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I don’t think it’s necessarily a paper issue

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Just was hoping if anyone knew of the same issue or seen it before

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It’s like a, visual BLACK color as I mine and the blocks break. Happens on all my servers. But not any other server that I don’t own? Weird

coarse lily
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Are you using sodium or any other client mods?

elfin steppe
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seems like a client side issue yeah

coarse lily
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There was a similar issue with 1.18 and Sodium in the first few builds of Sodium

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Something about off 90-degree angle stuff.

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But flickering tends to to be clientside

potent fossil
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so what would explain it not happening on any servers they dont own then

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if its clientside

coarse lily
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No idea.

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But the server sends the chunks to the client. The client then renders them on screen.

potent fossil
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im well aware

south matrix
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it looks like the light isn't being updated client-side

potent fossil
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just seems like yall are jumping the gun

south matrix
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which is odd

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or maybe just fine

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actually it probably is

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just not fast enough rendering

coarse lily
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Part of the process is asking questions to try to figure out the variables.

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I don't think telling people that they're "jumping the gun" is helpful.

potent fossil
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why are you talking to me like im an infant

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god the new mods got some weird thing going on

swift root
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Hi simple, I'm not really a new mod, so I hope you understand coming from me that that wasn't very nice at all. I get frustration when there's a disagreement but come on, it's just another real human behind another keyboard also trying to be helpful. The only thing he seems to have told you (that you already know) is that servers send chunks to clients to be rendered. Plus, ocelot also said he had no idea and wasn't trying to override any of your advice. The only gun jumping I see is you, being trigger happy with an underhanded insult :p

potent fossil
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the fuck? literally all i said was "seems like yall are jumping the gun"

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are you kidding me

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whatever, have a great night weirdos

swift root
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Sure, good night.

south matrix
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ok now let's talk about why RecipeChoice is not legal for implementation

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i hate spigot

void void
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себе xeon я заказал, с ним же мать под двух канал, память ess погнал, вечер bios прошивал

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заказ я huanan бегом на почту я погнал

void void
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что за блять хуйня пришла, какого хуя мать jingsha?!

void void
south matrix
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damn i dont have a russian keyboard on here

void void
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ah i see

south matrix
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i guess thats why no one's made what im making

void void
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Well, cause client only knows exact and material choices

hazy kayak
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How to make the kernel support mods?

south matrix
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i guess they couldnt discover it

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yea

void void
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germany rap

void void
void void
void void
south matrix
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oh you know it

hazy kayak
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And with the usual can not be altered in any way?

coarse lily
south matrix
south matrix
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it's so sad

void void
spare venture
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what are you trying to do

south matrix
south matrix
void void
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😯

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Damn thats smart

spare venture
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oh we did was add a predicate to exactchoice to let us do the checks ourselves

void void
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I used to think that the only way is bruteforce

spare venture
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well billy did it

south matrix
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how'd you do it

spare venture
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lets us just use the predicate to decide if an ingredient is ok

south matrix
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but wouldn't that still register on the client?

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even if the item is ultimately invalid

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but damn if only that wasn't only in purpur

spare venture
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register whwat?

south matrix
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the recipe

spare venture
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like the recipe in their book or

south matrix
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yeah

spare venture
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oh ive completely ignored that thing, it is half broken

south matrix
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when they click to move the items in, it may move items that wouldn't actually work server-side

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yeah i think i might just create the recipes as i go

spare venture
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you have that with cusstom model data regardless iirc

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so i just live with it

south matrix
#

that way they will be compatible with the client

spare venture
#

idk how recipes get registered with the client tbh

#

sometimes they appear in there, sometimes they dont

lean kiln
#

the stack is serialized as part of the recipe

#

so the client will see the custom model data requirement

#

not sure to what extent it's used but it is sent

spare venture
#

i've had the occurrence where if i had an item without custom model data in it, it would try to insert that into the crafting grid

lean kiln
#

if you're checking with the predicate in that patch that's expected

south matrix
#

just use bedrock items, problem solved peepohappy

lean kiln
#

if you're using exactchoice then again not sure how much the client checks

spare venture
#

i dont really care about the recipe book tbh

south matrix
#

players sure do

spare venture
#

ive had like 3 people ask me about it in like 50k players this year

south matrix
#

well people dont ask about it but they want it

#

it's definitely luxurious

#

especially if you're crafting often

spare venture
#

ive never used the book

limber knotBOT
#

just give them a book with the recipe

spare venture
#

i forget it exists for months at a time

south matrix
#

wrong book naomi

limber knotBOT
#

nah

south matrix
#

this is like recipe tab complete

spare venture
#

i have a command /recipe [item] that pops up a fancy GUI that tells them the recipe

unkempt drift
#

for the recipe to show up in the book, the player has to have discovered the recipe

#

and then have the recipe book update packet sent to them

spare venture
#

so i have to craft it once?

little saddle
#

can some help me?

unkempt drift
#

no, use the Player#discoverRecipe method

south matrix
#

or discover recipe

spare venture
#

what do you need help with

unkempt drift
#

.halp

south matrix
#

new to discord huh

little saddle
#

am self hosting

#

but i need ip host

spare venture
#

i dont see what the issue is here?

#

@south matrix ah yeah it does work

#

nice

coarse lily
marble lark
spare venture
#

i dont know what i did differently because prior to this complete rewrite it did not put the items in properly

marble lark
spare venture
#

meh skinsresteror can be used as a skin plugin

south matrix
#

yeah he's using offline mode

spare venture
#

by the uuid or?

south matrix
spare venture
#

ah lol

chrome cosmos
#

ohhhhh

tawny spoke
#

Yo idek if this is like acceptable to post here, but has anyone bought a sponsored slot on a server list site and if you have how did you feel about it?

south matrix
swift root
#

fine by me to ask! isn't advertising so I can't think of another rule it breaks 😄

tawny spoke
#

Cool :D, ik it isn't like directly paper related but I figure minecraft server ownership kinda fits under the bubble 😛

south matrix
#

topg has a flat fee and is the only one i've used, and unfortunately has now been oversaturated since it's so cheap; you get almost no players from it now

untold copper
#

i am still processing 2019

tawny spoke
coarse lily
#

From what I've heard it's generally: the ones that are worth it are very expensive.

tawny spoke
#

Like the spots are NOT cheap which is why I figured I'd get some insight

coarse lily
#

They'll bring folks in but you also need to make sure you can handle the players and retain them.

#

But if you have the budget feedback I've found is that they do bring in players. It just may not be worth the money.

south matrix
#

i don't believe that "last auction" amount is real

#

i also think those top servers have automated their bids

untold copper
#

Ocelot what the fuck

#

what happened

#

to your profile pic

#

what have you done

#

I liked the old one

south matrix
#

i kept track of a server list bidding one time and the winners bid about 5x the highest bid in the last 5 seconds

spare venture
#

dont buy sponsored slots

untold copper
#

in which you were the right way around

tawny spoke
#

Any reason for that @spare venture

spare venture
#

they are not worth it

south matrix
#

and the funniest part is the rules say "no botting" but there's no way the server lists will ban their top paying customers unfortunately

coarse lily
#

It does feel like a bit of a scam overall.

untold copper
#

server lists are rigged

spare venture
#

the only servers that get any players from sponsored slots are ones that 1. have tons of players already and 2. have tons of gamemodes

untold copper
#
  1. have tons of money
south matrix
#

i mean hell do you think there are 5 people actually sitting around bidding $1 more each time

untold copper
#

lmao

tawny spoke
#

Lol

south matrix
#

here's last week's auction, there's no way this is natural

untold copper
#

@mighty storm happy birthday to whoever's birthday it is

south matrix
#

especially since...

  1. all those servers are featured everywhere
  2. their bids are all equal
  3. they're not on the current bid list, meaning they're the ones that bid at the last second
untold copper
#

have some pineapple cake

#

because pineapple cake is epic

tawny spoke
#

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it is rigged tbh

spare venture
#

okay i made it so players just instantly discover all our custom recipes of join. is there any way to order this list? it looks like it is completely random lol

untold copper
#

all cake is epic, but pineapple cake is epicest

south matrix
#

i definitely believe they have some sort of deal with the server list

untold copper
#

like, without custom items?

tawny spoke
#

I mean that's not exactly the worst thing if it's rigged so I lose, it's not like I have to put money down to buy the slot, I only pay if I win

untold copper
#

according to material types?

spare venture
#

no

untold copper
#

then?

spare venture
#

you can see in there that there is no order at all

tawny spoke
#

The thing I wanna know more is if people who have done it have actually seen some real player growth from it

untold copper
#

in vanilla mc as well?

spare venture
#

not by material type, not by alphabetical/name

south matrix
#

with topg a year ago, i definitely saw growth

#

nowadays, not so much

spare venture
#

topg was shit even a year ago

untold copper
#

im pretty sure that there was some sorting in the weapons tab according to material types

#

idk tho

#

haven't played mc in a while

spare venture
#

well the search works, thats all i care about

#

need to finish some textures lol

untold copper
#

see, problem solved

#

just search for it

#

kek

void void
untold copper
#

yse

#

agree

#

i wouldn't have the brainpower to do that

spare venture
#

the plugin is currently 29k lines 😢

tawny spoke
#

Does anyone have any advice then for advertising servers? Many moons ago I used youtubers and that did wonders, now adays I don't know who I'd contact to get that rolling.

untold copper
#

dont care, atleast you had the smarts to make your own plugin

spare venture
#

youtube, twitch, tiktok

#

content creators

untold copper
#

ok i go now bye

void void
#

i cant even create a simple helloworld class

tawny spoke
#

Is there like a central place to get access to those channels? Esepcially tiktokers

spare venture
#

recently added food to it

void void
#

do you code in eclpise?

spare venture
#

no, you gotta have contacts with content creators to get anywhere

spare venture
void void
#

kk

tawny spoke
#

Bruh that's beat, where tf do I get contacts lmao

void void
#

have a lot of subscibers/money?

#

since you can sponsor them

spare venture
#

if it were that easy advertising/marketing wouldn't be such a sought after thing in the mc community

tawny spoke
#

Yeah I mean if I could just tell youtubers I wanna give them money and they'd come on and do a video, I wouldn't be in this channel lol

spare venture
#

why can't you

void void
#

well

coarse lily
#

Yeah it's a pretty saturated market. Finding ways to bring in folks is a constant thing people are scrambling for ways to do.

void void
#

for example

#

throw as much money as you want at dream

#

he wont sponsor you

#

especially if its a plugin

tawny spoke
#

Lol, I mean even smaller creators, it's hard to get a reply back

spare venture
#

maybe your cold intro is the problem

tawny spoke
#

Maybe you're right, maybe I gotta up my game

#

ocelot you put it well tho

coarse lily
#

Some people think if the server is unique/interesting enough then people will find it and play it.

spare venture
#

ive found if you make a good server, advertising becomes easier

tawny spoke
#

I mean, I've got the goods, this isn't just like some rando factions server

coarse lily
#

There are a lot of schools of thought on the whole thing though.

spare venture
#

the more unique and better my server, i've found my retention and ease of advertising to go up

tawny spoke
#

Like it's got some elbow grease put into it, but also it's not factions, so I can't just get people to click on it bc it's factions

south matrix
#

Tatooine from Star Wars huh

tawny spoke
#

Yeah, I mean I'm not gonna advert it

#

(in here) but it's a gta style game with a pretty sick custom map (the whole game is coded from the gorund up, but that's the gist)

void void
#

Has paper removed all legacy builds off their downloads api?

#

Is that related to log4j

south matrix
#

not the api

swift root
#

yes and no/yes

#

site doesn't provide unsupported software atm, but you can check the pins in #paper-help for links to API-provided, exploit-proofed server jars for old versions

void void
#

Lets make that “atm” permanent 😊

swift root
#

I can't speak for the future, but at the moment the future has no plans to reinstate a provision of unsupported software

void void
#

Yeah i mean fair enough, there are a fair few servers that run 1.8.8 though for the likes of bedwars.

void void
# void void

I was under the impression that java 11+ was not affected by the rce at all

south matrix
#

nah it's a lot worse than initially thought and than what a lot of places advertised for a while

vernal moth
#

One single attack vector requires old java 8 versions

#

But there are too many to count

potent magnet
#

What y’all think about self hosting on a vm

void void
potent magnet
#

indeed

void void
#

Why?

#

How would running it in a vm be advantageous at all?

#

If you want it to not be running directly on your pc, use docker. But you should really just host from any vps provider as you will make it harder for yourself self hosting

chrome cosmos
#

docker might be advantageus but vm nahhh

#

even doing it in the host itself is a good idea if private and noot going for cr4cked plugins

potent magnet
#

The biggest thing would be isolation

void void
potent magnet
#

Looks good

vernal moth
#

That image is completely overkill

void void
coarse lily
#

I don't think there's an industry standard, but like Mini said it's pretty overkill

vernal moth
#

Why does there need to be a standard?

#

Running mc in docker literally is a 4 line docker file

void void
#

“Industry standard” is pteros image

void void
vernal moth
#

Am not saying it's bad

#

Am just saying it's quicker to write my own rather than read the docs there

frank otter
#

I found one a while back which was paper

#

automagically got latest jar

void void
#

I mean i run all my servers bare metal in systemd lol

frank otter
#

edited it a bit to run with a run.sh and now I have one in docker and it just works

void void
#

I should have used docker

potent magnet
#

Where’s the list of recommended hosts

plucky sparrow
#

extravm dedicatedmc and bloomhost

void void
#

There isn’t a list, but we generally recommend those three ^

void void
coarse lily
#

I'm not sure I'd recommend Oracle Cloud.

plucky sparrow
#

agree

coarse lily
#

It's free, that's about the only benefit.

void void
#

Oracle Cloud is fine for a small server as long as you take regular backups

void void
#

Which you should be doing anyways

coarse lily
#

Yeah and don't be surprised if it goes poof someday.

plucky sparrow
#

^^^

void void
#

Yeah its got a habit of just turning off your vm

potent magnet
#

I’m on a cheap vps provider right now, depending on how well it holds up on stable paper builds is if I’m switching

#

I’ve only considered self hosting recently because I didn’t realize how insanely fast it was

void void
#

I mean oracle cloud is fine, especially if you have a paid account

potent magnet
#

I’d definitely prefer the vps route for my bots and sites

#

and obviously limitless

hardy saddle
#

anyone have any suggestions for vanilla+ survival plugins

ashen cliff
#

CraftBook.

hardy saddle
#

whats that

ashen cliff
hardy saddle
#

so plugins can create custom recipes?

ashen cliff
#

It can... but that's like 1% of it's features.

hardy saddle
#

i wanted to get into plugin creation i had this idea for a combat overhaul where different weapons have adjusted stats

#

but it looks like i couldnt just change the stat of an item using a plugin

ashen cliff
#

You are probably going to need a custom one for that.
And assign textures to every "special" item you create.

#

Or just add custom enchants and call it a day.

hardy saddle
#

a custom what? plugin

magic river
#

You can modify the attributes of a weapon, can't you?

hardy saddle
#

ik i just assumed plugins werent capable of doing that

hardy saddle
magic river
#

Like, that's a think you can do with /give even

hardy saddle
#

not a gold sword exists that has adjusted stats thats easy i want the entire server to have adjusted stats

magic river
#

That's a bit harder, you'd need to modify the recipes to craft the stuff and modify the loot tables for chests in dungeons and such

#

And fix up zombie drops and etc

hardy saddle
#

hate that

#

but makes sense

#

tbh it might just be easier to check if you have a gold sword in your inventory with vanilla stats and then replace it with a gold sword with the modified stats or something

#

but thank you

limber knotBOT
#

e

hardy saddle
#

is there a chunk loading plugin i can use or no

elfin steppe
#

you mean a chunk pregenerator?

plucky sparrow
hardy saddle
#

like i leave the world and it keeps the chunk loaded

ashen cliff
#

CraftBook.

hardy saddle
#

craftbook seems like less vanilla+ more like

#

psuedo FTB

#

basically im saying its overkill for a chunk loading plugin

vernal moth
#

Doesn't vanilla have a command?

hardy saddle
#

does it?

vernal moth
#

Forceload

hardy saddle
#

?

vernal moth
#

That's the command

hardy saddle
#

this is like an annoying thing to do but

#

oh well

#

id rather just have a plugin where if a player leaves the chunk stays loaded

vernal moth
#

That gives a chunk a ticket of level 31

#

You can't keep every chunk loaded

hardy saddle
vernal moth
#

So you need some way to decide which ones to keep loaded

stiff wadi
sudden tundra
#

Is there a java class that can be injected that will update log4j when ran ?

plucky sparrow
#

i forgot my microsoft account ffs

hard ruin
#

is the exploit fixed yet?

crystal lilyBOT
#

All the info we can provide is pinned in the #paper-help channel

elfin steppe
#

TLDR yes if you update

timid schooner
#

Not really MC related but I know we got some smart folks in here, anyone ever configured dead gateway detection on a windows PC for internet redundancy on your home computer?

harsh widget
#

the core team logo looks like telegram

timid schooner
ashen cliff
#

Yeah, have fun.

zinc wagon
#

The server has not responded for -4 seconds! Creating thread dump ah yes i would also do that if the server didnt respond for a whole -4 seconds

ashen cliff
twin lagoon
#

KRUSIC!

ashen cliff
#

BRO.

void void
#

How does latest paper compare to old versions like 1.8.9 in terms of performance?

magic river
#

Paper 1.8.9 doesn't exist 😉

#

Paper definitely has more optimizations now but I think overall it's slower

#

Some of those optimizations could apply to older versions and make them even faster, some of them are only needed to fix something Mojang did

#

Although I think vanilla 1.18.1 might be faster than vanilla 1.8

void void
#

For minigames, how much would it be slower?

#

Should be around the same, right? Since minigames dont use a lot of vanilla mechanics

golden gust
#

Nobody benchmarks this shit

#

benchmarking MC is already a massive horror show given how games work

#

comparing across versions would be even harsher

urban reef
#

any way to get my plugins to update automatically

ashen cliff
#

Probably not the best idea.

maiden shoal
limber knotBOT
#

apparently my friends ordered a fucking sex doll for my birthday

#

what the fuck

ashen cliff
#

Amazing.

limber knotBOT
#

male sex doll though so i don't want it

#

@ dap would you mind taking it off my hands?

ashen cliff
#

Still has a hole. 🛌

chrome quest
#

What did AdoptOpenJDK rename to?

ashen cliff
#

Adoptium.

magic river
worn ember
#

Nomi. Ur not even old enough for discord. Let alone a sex doll smh

plucky sparrow
#

LOL

worn ember
#

Smh weebs

magic river
#

Apparently Eclipse wouldn't take the project without a name change since IBM and Oracle apparently hate each other 😛

#

I mean, everyone hates Oracle so that makes sense but IBM actually made a successful Java consulting business which must piss Oracle off

worn ember
#

Wait IBM owns Eclipse?

magic river
#

I don't know if owns is right but Eclipse is where IBM projects go to die 😛

worn ember
#

Lmao

magic river
#

They started it and I think a lot of their stuff is still IBM stuff that got open sourced

plucky sparrow
magic river
#

But yeah, they wanted someone to tell them using OpenJDK in the name was okay and Oracle wasn't willing so, name change

limber knotBOT
#

should've just called it EclipseAdoptOpenJDK

#

smh

magic river
#

I feel like you just skipped over my last message

limber knotBOT
#

How about EAOJDK? That would have been far better!

chrome quest
#

Is there a way I can pull a backup from borg without it being compressed?

idle rune
#

anyone knows a good alternative of Wither Anti Cheat for 1.17.1?

pearl vapor
#

I'm having a problem where villagers seem to start with XP. Does anyobody know what could be causing this?

magic river
foggy silo
#

Good morning

acoustic dagger
foggy silo
#

Latest 1.18.1

plucky sparrow
#

it's crazy that there's so many channels before #general for help yet they still ask for help on #general

tropic flame
#

yeah, with this channel's description literally starting with "Social / Offtopic"

twin lagoon
#

@viral hornet 🥺

worn ember
#

Wish

foggy silo
#

hi dragon

plucky sparrow
#

Why would you call him dragon

#

It’s just a mere stupid human

foggy silo
#

😠 meanie!

plucky sparrow
#

It’s ded so it doesn’t matter

viral hornet
lavish compass
#

@twin lagoon happeepoheart

ashen cliff
vernal moth
#

Even Taskmanager has had that for ages, smh

#

Shows that Linux isn't meant for desktops

#

runs

untold copper
#

day #187 of trying to get abs (yesterday): no exercise
day #188 of trying to get abs (today): no exercise because i was traveling.

faint crystal
#

excuses

golden gust
#

joy is tryna get every vender to commit to some specific API and use it and shit

twin lagoon
#

@untold meadow BEST kierarnaranran

untold meadow
#

@twin lagoon BESTEST EVEREST michaieuagal

twin lagoon
untold meadow
foggy silo
#

hi Michael hi kezz!!! 😊

golden gust
#

Very few people here actually play the game that much

plucky sparrow
#

whats minecraft

warm anchor
#

You can try official Minecraft discord @fair cloak

golden gust
#

minecraft?

#

apparently it's some shitty low res block game

plucky sparrow
#

oh is that the disgusting game kids nowadays are playing?

brazen barn
#

Anyone here know if the chunky [radius] command specifies a radius in chunks or blocks?

golden gust
#

syscraft is potentially more sane

#

that's literally just how java works

viscid wedge
#

1 GB is normal

brazen barn
#

Have you restarted the server since noticing this?

drifting path
#

That’s how Java works

#

Plugins & data increases and it’s loaded on memory

#

World chunks or whatever

#

That’s how it works

golden gust
#

java doesn't free memory back to the OS all that much

vernal moth
#

Unused memory is wasted memory

golden gust
#

and there is a world upgrade leak in vanilla

#

so, basically, it's probably fine, otherwise, if upgrading, you may potentially need to restart more often

#

wooo

hexed dragon
#

My memory is being used on my computer. Let me restart it.

faint crystal
#

no

#

java doesn't free memory until it has to

#

full memory usage is actually good

#

how exactly is paper in the way?

silver nexus
#

I like the seperate world files

golden gust
#

the seperate world files is literally cancer

#

yea, welcome to craftbukkit+

unkempt drift
#

What “cursed” things are you talking about?

golden gust
#

worldedit works fine

#

the vanilla commands also work fine

unkempt drift
#

What do the /fill and /clone things have to do with separate worlds?

#

Some commands have different functionality because difficulty, function scheduling, and game rules are per world. But those should be fine?

maiden shoal
#

The paper is limited?

golden gust
#

"is limited"

#

wat

maiden shoal
#

In Plugins

maiden shoal
vernal moth
#

Try speaking in full sentences please

golden gust
#

that question makes 0 sense

vernal moth
#

As in, verbs, adjectives and nouns together to create context

golden gust
#

what do you mean you cannot use worldedit

drifting path
#

You kidding

golden gust
#

Craftbukkit

#

spigot

#

paper

drifting path
#

Of course they know

#

😂😂😂

golden gust
#

literally everything based on spigot has seperated out the world folders

#

craftbukkit had support for worlds before vanilla even did

#

worldedit works perfectly fine and has for all this time

true canyon
#

separate worlds work fine.

golden gust
#

the fact that the folders are seperated is literally 100% irrelevant and has 0 impacts on how plugins, etc, work

maiden shoal
#

the paper is limited, when it comes to plugin availability? (I'm using Google translator if any translation is wrong you know)

faint crystal
#

no

vernal moth
#

Paper has more plugin functionality compared to spigot if you mean that

golden gust
#

No, pretty much every plugin that works on spigot works on paper

maiden shoal
#

Oh ok tks

golden gust
#

You need to move the DIM folders from the end/nether back into the main folder if you wanna go back to vanilla

#

The overworld...

#

i.e. the world folder which isn't the nether or the end

unkempt drift
#

The world folder that has more folders than the other one.

#

Like the datapacks, advancements, stats folders

left swift
#

nice paper airplane cat

#

used the blue scratchpaper for it

limber portal
#

everyone i have free nitro who wants it

limber knotBOT
#

?

foggy silo
#

hi naomi!!!!

limber portal
#

when could bots even talk

limber knotBOT
#

hi owen!!!!

#

since the 70s, at least

foggy silo
#

it's my birthday today happymonke

limber knotBOT
#

it's my birthday tomorrow :D

limber portal
limber portal
void void
golden gust
#

all I see is a bag of air

#

speaking of bags of air

foggy silo
#

thanks 😍

golden gust
#

happy birthday peeps

mighty storm
#

thank you ❤️

limber knotBOT
#

cat, do not speak ill of my skull.

prime marsh
#

Anyone knows a good villager/mob catcher plugin that doesn't use spawning eggs as "release device" (idk what to call it lol) so the egg isn't usable with spawners? (:

plucky sparrow
#

macOS is really ram hungry

#

im gonna have to upgrade to 32gb

limber portal
plucky sparrow
#

😔

plucky sparrow
void void
#

artificial "intelligence"

limber knotBOT
#

advanced AI

void void
plucky sparrow
#

naomi, what's the weather like today?

limber knotBOT
#

rainy af

plucky sparrow
#

thanks

limber portal
#

@wispy blade time to test if your an ai so whats minecraft + 52inches of silver as an investment

foggy silo
#

Today is a nice day where I am... especially since it was VERY windy yesterday.

#

Some strong gusts

limber portal
#

exactly

#

your not a bot

plucky sparrow
#

you pinged an account

limber portal
#

wait what

plucky sparrow
#

its not an account

limber portal
#

uhhhhhh

limber portal
void void
#

At least three

limber knotBOT
#

a bowl of nachos without sour cream cuz what kinda MANIAC puts sour cream on nachos

limber portal
#

what

foggy silo
#

(ai sometimes has some ERRORS)

limber portal
#

that proves its an ai now

limber knotBOT
#

your mom proves it's an ai now

plucky sparrow
#

get rekt by an ai

#

ez

foggy silo
#

(I have seen her beep boop bop in this VERY channel)

limber knotBOT
#

noob

limber portal
# limber knot noob

Uno reverse card and btw do you consume dihydrogen monoxide on a daily basis

plucky sparrow
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it consumes watts

limber knotBOT
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what

golden gust
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naomi doesn't have a brain to need dihydrogen monoxide

limber knotBOT
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cat

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i do drink water

golden gust
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I told those techs to stop fucking spilling water on the machines

limber portal
limber knotBOT
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hang on gotta google that