anyone have a recommendation?
#general
rare tiger
viscid wedge
anyone have a recommendation?
This one isn't bad, but honestly this is a task better suited to an external tool
rare tiger
Actually I think using a plugin to signal safe times for a backup would be smart
But designing plugins smartly is not something we do in this community
feral talon
Hey I need some advice. Should I wait for paper mc to update or should I make a vanilla server first so my friends can enjoy the update sooner then transfer to paper when it updates?
rare tiger
Paper has numerous improvements over vanilla even without plugins, but if that's not a concern for you then go ahead
Also it has a few patches that vanilla doesnt
Sometimes that's a bad thing, I wanted tnt dupers and had to disable the patch
Since there's no ETA (there's no ETA [did I mention that there's no ETA]) I can't give you an informed recommendation
You can always use experimental paper if you really want too
vernal moth
Hey I need some advice. Should I wait for paper mc to update or should I make a ...
You should test if the current builds work for you and then go with that
And make sure your backups work
pastel reef
How do I set a second udp port on my router? It doesn't seem to work. It's a FRITZ!Box 6591.
ashen cliff
Well. You have to add another port.
Instead of having 2/more ports in a single "share", you should add each one separately.
After that, disable it, remove it, add it again.
It's a weird bug, but it that should do the trick.
feral talon
Alr I'll try the experimental builds
pastel reef
Thank you, krusic! :D
meager tusk
After that, disable it, remove it, add it again.
It's a weird bug, but it that s...
Krushiç is right.
worn ember
panda panda panda
marsh charm
I have a sort of meta question about Java as someone not familiar with it
rare tiger
go ahead
marsh charm
why is fixing NPEs so common in minecraft stuff if Java has an actual Optional type? Is the problem that you're bound by upstream APIs that don't use it?
rare tiger
optionals are big and yucky and were added in java 8
magic river
woo, just got added to a meeting about privacy laws where I'm the most junior person in the meeting and the only developer
I always wanted to meet more of our C*Os and VPs
rare tiger
I always wanted to meet more of our C*Os and VPs
chief asterisk officer
worn ember
cant tell if sarcasm or sincere
marsh charm
optionals are big and yucky and were added in java 8
is their implementation really lacking somehow?
or is it a cultural thing?
rare tiger
both
meager tusk
why is fixing NPEs so common in minecraft stuff if Java has an actual Optional t...
They're full blown objects
rare tiger
null checks in java are real cheap
magic river
Well, there is a chance I'm breaking the law and a bunch of VPs and Directors and C-suite folks are going to yell at me for it
worn ember
why is fixing NPEs so common in minecraft stuff if Java has an actual Optional t...
most likely NPE's are caused because you only want something to not be null (so you dont check for it and assume its not null) which is required for your application to work properly, so optionals wouldn't really help here
magic river
More likely we're going to argue about whether we do what a client is asking for
marsh charm
Nullabillity annotations are fine now
this is annotation to do the same thing by just annotating whether or not something can have null in the API?
foggy silo
People hate on null too much 
meager tusk
this is annotation to do the same thing by just annotating whether or not someth...
Yeah.
magic river
Optionals will be great and you should use them everywhere once valhalla happens
worn ember
this is annotation to do the same thing by just annotating whether or not someth...
thats only for the compiler, runtime doesnt care i think
marsh charm
in rust you can just use optional types because they generally have the same size and generally get compiled to the equivalent null code
meager tusk
Optionals will be great and you should use them everywhere once valhalla happens
will be.
meager tusk
in rust you can just use optional types because they generally have the same siz...
That's the idea with Optionals in Valhalla.
magic river
But using annotations to pretend nullability is a part of the type system is almost as good, so long as you're using an IDE or linter that knows about them
meager tusk
I believe.
rare tiger
Optionals will be great and you should use them everywhere once valhalla happens
If this ever becomes the status quo, noobs will be like
Optional.of(null)
foggy silo
whenever Valhalla ships 
magic river
Optional.of(null) throws, doesn't it?
worn ember
j23
topaz mortar
That's why you use Optional.ofNullable(null) 😄
rare tiger
Optional.empty()
void void
`Optional.of(null)` throws, doesn't it?
It does
marsh charm
yeah okay, so NPEs in java are a little bit of a cultural thing and a little bit that first-class option handling is still maturing and has some unsatisfying competing choices would be a good summary
magic river
Java has been beefing up pattern matching and has switch expressions now too to make dealing with Optional less painful
It's just a bunch of GC churn and overhead right now so still not great
Once we have value types that'll mostly go away too
topaz mortar
Sealed classes and Pattern Matching for switch in preview is wonderful.
void void
Pattern matching is very nice
rare tiger
i think if java made a shorthand for optional then it would be used a lot more
but tbh null is fine
wide chasm
Nullability annotations and a bit of help from IJ has meant that I've encountered very few NPEs and even fewer with published code.
rare tiger
other c-aligned langs use Object? which looks kinda bad imo
meager tusk
yeah okay, so NPEs in java are a little bit of a cultural thing and a little bit...
Java is a language with many flaws.
Just gotta live with it for the sake of Minecraft.
Otherwise, I write code in Python. Which is English.
rare tiger
Java is great you just need a good IDE
wide chasm
I had to write Python for a course once, I copied the assignment description in a .py file and let PyCharm fix the errors and suddenly it worked /s
magic river
Python is so slow though
meager tusk
Then use Julia.
magic river
Like, holy cow sometimes I think they're trying to write the slowest thing possible
worn ember
MS Java best java
magic river
I used to love the language but unless all you're doing is gluing C libraries together with it the perf is just awful
wide chasm
grabs Assembly x86-64 reference manual
We need to save all the cycles!
rare tiger
Yeah there's a type of people who try to use Python for everything and it just does NOT work. Same with node. "You just need deno", "You just need julia", "You just need Kotlin" idk guys maybe use more than one language???
meager tusk
Languages are tools.
magic river
TypeScript on deno or node is good enough for a lot of things
worn ember
ur a tool
meager tusk
If you approach everything with performance in mind you're gonna get bent over.
magic river
That's my default until I have perf issues or want to make something small and/or self contained
rare tiger
in some cases it's pretty damn important
meager tusk
Performance only matters when you realize it's fucking you. Until then, just write the best code you can.
meager tusk
in some cases it's pretty damn important
And most of those cases are not applicable to most people.
rare tiger
Disclaimer I really like both Python and Node for different reasons but I know they have a time and place
magic river
With TypeScript perf is less likely to be fucking you than with Python but it's mostly just as flexible/dynamic
meager tusk
Most people aren't designing precision ICBM missiles, for example.
Most of the time people who need extreme performance are in a very, very small niche.
meager tusk
With TypeScript perf is less likely to be fucking you than with Python but it's ...
TypeScript's type system is dogshit, though.
There's no runtime validation at all.
rare tiger
Most of the time people who need extreme performance are in a very, very small n...
Or you could just use an appropriate language to begin with xdddd
magic river
There is no runtime validation of Python's types either
meager tusk
I never said there was
magic river
They're just annotations you use a linter on
tsc is my linter 😛
(for real, I don't use tsc to emit JS, only to type check)
meager tusk
Or you could just use an appropriate language to begin with xdddd
Just use whatever makes you work faster.
Most times the problem is the design of your program, not the language itself
If you start finding yourself using language hacks to squeeze out performance, maybe then it's time you reevaluate.
worn ember
just dab a few times to make the code faster
magic river
I use Python as a better shell script, more or less
worn ember
1dab = 1% performance increase
magic river
Once you pass a couple hundred lines of code you should move to something else
meager tusk
Python is great for automating boring stuff.
merry cargo
I have a kind of general question to 1.18, does the basic settings include the new per player spawn mechanics, or do I have to set it up myself somehow. As with the basic settings it does not feel like the mob spawns are right, and with changing the mob limit in the bukkit file to 350 - so bassicly the overall mob cap 5 people would have if they play together, it feels like you get overrun to much ....
meager tusk
And it's great for prototyping.
magic river
1000 as most
meager tusk
just dab a few times to make the code faster
You joke, but..
Once you go mad trying to fix an issue you'll do literally anything.
pastel pivot
Can someone please link me to this fork clusterfuck overview picture?
void void
pastel pivot
ty
half hawk
https://forks.smhsmh.club/
this is an amazing image ty
wheat hawk
Looking for input on system specs for a paper server that would have:
- A dozen people on at a time maximum
- 4 worlds (survival, nether, end, creative)
- 10 plugins (worldedit, worldguard, multiverse-core, multiverse-inventories, multiverse-signportals, luckperms, coreprotect, chestsort, and angelchest)
Specifically I'm curious what people think a good ballpark on CPU and RAM would be.
ashen cliff
i7 6700 or higher.
Any SSD.
And dual channel memory... probably at least 8GB dedicated to the server.
half hawk
i agree with the 8gb min, because with multiverse i assume you're going to spread players through a lot of worlds
its likely you can get away with 5 or 6 gb if you lower the view distance
wheat hawk
In your experience, what is considered a reasonable view distance? I tend to play on 24.
twin lagoon
32
no a reasonable view distance is around the 8 or 10 mark
when combined with no-tick, 4 - 6 
half hawk
i run my servers on 12 and my client on 16 with bobby (or previously optifine), reasonable is like <8
magic river
Wow an ARM Mali GPU is almost certainly going to be more power efficient than a Qualcomm Adreno one next year
At similar performance levels
half hawk
low power nas when
magic river
Some of that is Samsung vs TSMC but some is that Qualcomm hasn't done anything interesting with their GPU design in like 5 years
They used to have the most power efficient design and I think one year even traded blows on performance with Apple's GPUs
Now Apple's GPUs are way faster and I believe more efficient as well and ARM Mali GPUs have probably passed it on both as well
twin lagoon
i have discovered a magic trick in improving young gen gc
if you allocate enough memory it just won't be an issue anymore
thank you for listening to my ted talk
half hawk
holy fuck man
unkempt drift
https://forks.smhsmh.club/
Are there other “spigot” forks?
(Should tell you all you need to know tbh)
worn ember
tacospigot
unkempt drift
That’s not a paper fork?
spare venture
epsilon gc
worn ember
you said "spigot"
spare venture
allocate enough memory so that server never needs to gc
reboot more often than it gcs
unkempt drift
Says it a fork of PaperSpigot
So a fork of paper, I’m asking about proper forks of spigot
worn ember
then why tf is it called tacoSPIGOT
unkempt drift
No clue
worn ember
god i swear people are big r words when it comes to naming shit
radiant oriole
then why tf is it called tacoSPIGOT
Tradition. That's the only reason why. And because the people who use it are too 
to know to call it anything other than "a spigot" (noun)
worn ember
Tradition. That's the only reason why. And because the people who use it are too...
cuz it was originally based off of spigot right?
left swift
based off deez nuts
worn ember
based of ur moms nujts
left swift
fact!
magic river
John Oliver told me not to but I googled "horny pepsi man" anyway and I regret it
potent panther
should i use a paper fork?
foggy silo
south matrix
this is why i dont browse the spigot forums https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/1-17-1-tree-populator-not-working.536682/#post-4315675
silver nexus
lol
viscid wedge
oh jesus
south matrix
and just, like, consistently wrong answers in every single thread https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/i-need-help-getting-a-location-from-a-yaml-file.536777/#post-4315452
south matrix
yeah first time in 10 months
though looking at this shitfest is fun, might do it more often
marsh charm
Does the ender pearl teleport exploit config affect the ability to use ender pearls to get on nether ceiling?
void void
Anyone have issues with players just randomly lagging out? Tps is 20, trying to figure out if it is something to do with my setup or if ovh is just being a shitty host today
foggy silo
void void
Oops
vestal jasper
Yes
potent fossil
im braindead since i just got pummeled with physics for 4 hours
now i got 10 mins before i get pummeled for 2 hours with linear algebra
then immediately after that i need to get pummeled for 2 hours with discrete structures
then, assuming i survive, my fall semester is over
void void
nice let's hope you survive simple
potent fossil
i was wrong, my math final is at 7pm till 9pm
spiral robin
mine is tomorrow 1pm - 3pm 
foggy silo
I have a French final this Friday due to instructor being out during final week…. Which is the next week x)
Fun finals!!
potent fossil
@spiral robin destroy the math final
potent fossil
me too, i have nothing left in my body but stress
spiral robin
at least theyre only 2 hours and not 4 like your physics!
potent fossil
that's just because my brain is broken
discord snowsgiving $190 mechanical keyboard
gtfo
south matrix
Glad there's a toggle for the nauseating notification sound
potent fossil
theres a what
half hawk
is cock down?
foggy silo
What
half hawk
ohno
worn ember
Why are you pinging c*ck
mild rune
viral hornet
@twin lagoon 
twin lagoon
🥺
foggy silo
😍😍
waxen panther
@static badge
vestal jasper
@static badge
foggy silo
Spotted leaf (my love)
short yarrow
when does it make sense to batch write to a table instead of doing multiple single writes? if you do more than 1 write?
golden gust
When you're flushing lots of data to a database
left swift
flushing lots of poop
whole zodiac
does setting mobGriefing to false mess with bees collecting honey?
half hawk
have you tried googling it
whole zodiac
not getting many results
whole zodiac
no need to be a dick about it
whole zodiac
lol bye
thanks
the thing he linked is a stackexchange response from before they even added bees
foggy silo
Yea it never hurts to be nice!!
worn ember
I think it's mainly for endermen and creepers. Idk if flowers fall under griefing lol
whole zodiac
reason I ask is because I didnt think it would mess with it, but players are reporting seeing no bees at all after the first couple days
worn ember
Idk bee mechanics. I kinda quit following after 1.12
pearl hearth
1.18 stability rating vs spigot?
worn ember
5
spare venture
12
worn ember
Yes.
mild rune
69
pearl hearth
highly customizable brick
foggy silo
🧱
vestal jasper
42
half hawk
reason I ask is because I didnt think it would mess with it, but players are rep...
i checked and bees don't come out of beehives if you have mobgriefing set to false. i think it doesn't stop them from interacting with flowers though
whole zodiac
thanks, that explains why we did see some at first
might just install world guard or something to guard against creeper explosions and turn mobGriefing back on
half hawk
instead of worldguard, which might be too much overhead for such a simple task, you could try using vanillatweak's anti creeper griefing datapack or plugins such as "creeperstrimgrass"
limber knotBOT
i have been trying to fall asleep for more than an hour now weeee
can't believe i'm asking this but cat please knock me out, i know you want to
mild rune
What would be your tool of choice cat?
golden gust
Depends, is she wearing makeup?
if not, just a fist to the face
otherwise, a pillow with a makeup stained face imprint is always fun to see in trail evidence
mild rune
She's trying to sleep so I assume no
cosmic raft
mild rune
tell zml no
cosmic raft
golden gust
noice
limber knotBOT
https://i.imgur.com/gsDj7Jn.png too late :p
mild rune
little frost
🎉
coarse lily
zml 4 president
limber knotBOT
eww no
mild rune
zml 4 something
coarse lily
President of the snacks fan club
little frost
president of the zml fan club
limber knotBOT
i'm not even a member of my own fan club smh
coarse lily
You aren’t supposed to be
half hawk
any discord nick suggestions?
coarse lily
You’re supposed to be off to the side going “gosh, thanks”
limber knotBOT
@half hawk KittenFan420
coarse lily
That’s not bad.
vestal jasper
let's go with that aye
half hawk
sure
coarse lily
Or if you’re an alt of some other known account just use that name
half hawk
im just some (angry) random person trying to help
vestal jasper
you should've responded to that by changing your nickname to ocelot's
coarse lily
Ha
vestal jasper
smh my head
coarse lily
There can be only one
Plus a mod might get mad at impersonation or something
Of all the people to pretend to be I’m a poor choice.
I don’t even have a fan club like zml
vestal jasper
i'd say impersonating a mod or org / team member would be worse
zealous wedge
there can be multiple, in fact
vestal jasper
one of us, one of us
little frost
oh no
coarse lily
Plus if you pretend to be me you have to pay down on the ground and be all “ouch my back”
Uh oh
zealous wedge
i already do that dw
vestal jasper
well my back does actually hurt rn, poor posture
coarse lily
There’s three of me. This is getting out of hand.
vestal jasper
ty for reminding me
half hawk
hey i want to feel like im part of something too
golden gust
am tasty
little frost
ocelotpotpie, ocelotpotpie and ocelotpotpie are typing...
coarse lily
This escalated quickly
half hawk
:D
zealous wedge
no take-backs
coarse lily
Now kashike needs to make an ocelotpotpie role and assign it to Z and Josh but not me.
Clearly
mild rune
what the fuck has happened
zealous wedge
welcome to the ocelotpotpie discord
limber knotBOT
i have no idea
coarse lily
It’s hard to say
limber knotBOT
to me you're all the same person lol
mild rune
naomi go bed
limber knotBOT
i am bed wtf
limber knotBOT
cant
zealous wedge
stick your head between two pillows
limber knotBOT
tried from 4 am to like 5:30am
mild rune
what time is it
golden gust
might as well just get up, and go for a cry on the toilet
mild rune
^
golden gust
party time
limber knotBOT
6:11
grand pewter
ok so this is the game we're playing
coarse lily
It’s apparently ocelotpotpie time
golden gust
or
mild rune
Welcome to being awake now
swift root
It's ocelotpottime
golden gust
Summer time
coarse lily
Oh no Larry is here too
swift root
Who
golden gust
limber knotBOT
have an excuse to stay at home now
zealous wedge
je suis ocelotpotpie
limber knotBOT
"0 energy because terrible sleep"
coarse lily
Haha hi pop
mild rune
Imagine needing an excuse to not go anywhere
zealous wedge
"0 energy because terrible sleep"
naomi: me every day tho
mild rune
I just stay home
coarse lily
You know. Sometimes late at night it feels like I’m just talking to myself.
zealous wedge
unfortunately i don't make money when i stay rome
how does it feel to have all of us in your head
limber knotBOT
i dont make money regardless
viscid wedge
limber knotBOT
B)
coarse lily
how does it feel to have all of us in your head
Pretty typical
zealous wedge
that feels like it's not a good choice tbh
mild rune
it's great
zealous wedge
i like having separation between work and not-work
at least go to a different room :p
coarse lily
Yeah different room helps.
I had my desk and bed in the same room for a while and it nearly killed me
mild rune
I just use a whole different device for work
Also 90% of my job is me waiting around
so I just watch yt
coarse lily
Alright I’m going to bed. Goodnight everyone. Goodnight me.
zealous wedge
goodnightpotpie
golden gust
I mean
mild rune
think my fans are finally dying
golden gust
So long as it doesn't smell like magic smoke
zealous wedge
u smell like magic smoke cat
golden gust
No, that's just weed
mild rune
gonna share?
void path
Hello guys here from velocity discord
vestal jasper
but this is the velocity discord :^)
void path
It's amazing that velocity was a small project but grew so large that it's a part of papermc now
potent fossil
pulled a 100% on my CS final, sadged a 85% on my math final 😔, and no idea about my physics final so im begging for my life there. will find out tomorrow 
this semester has destroyed my will to live
mild rune
physics sucks ass
so gl
I got a OOP, OS, Alg, and spanish final next week
gonna be ass
luckily the algorithms final is online and we've got 12 hours
winter heron
void void
what will you do on christmas
south matrix
Kill Santa
half hawk
Kill Santa
pls no. i need that 10tb hdd
south matrix
If Santa is real why isn't hosting cheapest at the North Pole
void void
Kill Santa
Nice
wild turret
hi @south matrix
south matrix
What a silly thing to put in your nickname
south matrix
Ok sure I could put in my nickname "doesn't use velocity" but I'm not the center of the universe
south matrix
No please explain
mental meadow
You could also put [Velocity] in your nick
wild turret
👀
limber knotBOT
hello uwuwa
south matrix
[maker of velocity]
limber knotBOT
good morning
elfin steppe
lizard10000
south matrix
You wanna fight
limber knotBOT
reptile10000
wild turret
yes
limber knotBOT
i'll put you on the ceiling, gecko
south matrix
And i will STICK TO IT
spiral robin
@vestal jasper 
vestal jasper
Carbon your name looks pretty familiar
limber knotBOT
just check shared servers ez
south matrix
It's all connected... vvv vvv vvv...
vestal jasper
it's an inside joke
spiral robin
wild turret
👀
mild rune
you look off
limber knotBOT
no i am fully on
vestal jasper
speaking of my build's failing >:(
mental meadow
vestal jasper
I blame leaf
spiral robin
Fair
mental meadow
uwu
limber knotBOT
@_@
mild rune
when we gonna do osu multi?
limber knotBOT
dunno
mental meadow
Ask naomi
mild rune
I guess you probably gotta get unbanned first 
limber knotBOT
my eyes just fucking die when staring at a screen and my monitor doesn't get dark enough to prevent it
mild rune
close your eyes
mental meadow
Told you too much sugar
limber knotBOT
i would never!
mild rune
feel the rhythm
limber knotBOT
yea but how am i supposed to feel the location of the notes
wild turret
here's where it's all connected lol
mild rune
tho I'm gonna get fucking swept by you two since I really only play mania
wild turret
although there could be more
limber knotBOT
i can play a bit of mania myself
mild rune
game thinks I rank in the top 600k but the game is on crack
mild rune
Back when I played mania daily for 5-6 hours I was like top 50k I think
we'll get lazer one day 
limber knotBOT
i used to be #1800 on ctb kek
mild rune
that's because no one plays it
limber knotBOT
lazer also on a 5 year old codebase already xd
limber knotBOT
do it
elfin steppe
here's where it's all connected lol
Fabric is much better
Technical Minecraft Community
now it makes sense
mild rune
reminds me of that pic of obama giving himself a medal 
limber knotBOT
compiles itself to C*
trust me, if you want an optimized v compiler it's gonna take a little longer
mild rune
I'll just compile it by hand
limber knotBOT
ah yes the ol v -cc gcc -prod -gc boehm -compress self
limber knotBOT
v still can't compile directly to native
mild rune
limber knotBOT
and it still doesnt support [has_globals] outside of vlib >:c
mild rune
it's got a binary for m1 macs so I'm already happy with it
limber knotBOT
just compile from source
easier that way when your install breaks for whatever reason
limber knotBOT
it's their updater tool that sucks
mild rune
could be my elixir install every update
mild rune
doubt
limber knotBOT
it fixes the ""symlink"" thing they do with adding a batch script to PATH if the path to the batch script has spaces
mild rune
proud of you
limber knotBOT
:)
limber knotBOT
it's functional
limber knotBOT
and i still use it as an oop lang
viscid wedge
Naomi I'm going to oxidize the iron in your blood
mild rune
woah
limber knotBOT
do it, bitch
mild rune
do me next please
limber knotBOT
you won't
viscid wedge
I will when I figure out how
mild rune
I had to learn Java, C, and assembly for classes
oh and php
but we don't talk about that
limber knotBOT
i feel so bad for you
limber knotBOT
i can't stop reading POS as piece of shit instead of point of service
mild rune
and they proceeded to not use it
Then I had to learn C for my assembly class because we had to convert C to assembly
I became a shitty compiler
limber knotBOT
you know what the v compiler does when translating?
mild rune
meth?
limber knotBOT
first, it transpiles the entire V stdio to JS or C
then it transpiles your code
so you end up with ~4k lines of JS just for a simple println('hello world')
nice.
mild rune
why
vestal jasper
V
limber knotBOT
V is indeed for Vaporware
but it's one of the few langs that i can install on my school laptop and get to work
without screwing with env
mild rune
I mainly use python anymore
I can just develop so quickly with it
I can build out a whole project in an afternoon
well it was working at one point guess wsgi died
nothing like a good ol restart to get python working again
I took 20mg of melatonin so I'm now exhausted. I shall slumber.
limber knotBOT
python is pseudocode: the language
plucky sparrow
but it's one of the few langs that i can install on my school laptop and get to ...
tried dart?
plucky sparrow
might try it tho
You should
limber knotBOT
actually seems like a better choice for me and my lack of brain
limber knotBOT
so, better in every way, shape, and form than V
little frost
didn't like dart's type system :I
worn ember
Dart deez nuts amirite
limber knotBOT
no
worn ember
Irc users have no rights
limber knotBOT
like you can talk, you're belgian
plucky sparrow
Irc users have no rights
ded u suck
limber knotBOT
you just realised?
limber knotBOT
lol
hearty spear
I've had a lot of success having multiple games on my "Minecraft" discord
The community has more things to do together.
warm anchor
Thsts pretty awesome
warm anchor
1 year 
hearty spear
Nice
For me starting sorta in 2018
Friend started up a server
Little SMP
Then a factions
Then factions was legit
Was a super jank set-up
With a tape overclocked Q6600
warm anchor
It’s 1.8? No issues!
hearty spear
Started on 1.12
Was fine
Then 1.13 and it went to crap for performance
Idk
Probably not
Then I got a free Dell R610 from someone I knew
Get some upgrade CPUs for $20
Wham it was pretty good
Then a hard drive failed a few months later
So instead of getting another one I just got some SSDs
And decommissioned the old raid array
Man Minecraft with SSDs was legit
People could fly around with Elytra without the server dying
marble lark
I can just develop so quickly with it
never found Java to be any slower in development either tbh
compile times are pretty ok
hearty spear
Then my friend got really tired of people doing nether roof traveling at 2am and the server making happy server noises
marble lark
gcc be like
hearty spear
So I got an HP server that was a standalone but 4U size and it was so much quieter
marble lark
wait a minute i just realized I thought templates in headers only was just convention?
oh god yeah i remember those
honestly the only confusing thing initially for me was C++ passing objects by value as default, the rest was just odd syntax
int&& would be better for that if you're passing a value directly tbh
Java passes everything that's not a primitive by sharing, idk what's confusing there
good point
aRef in that case would be initially uninstantiated as opposed to immediately being set to something.a if that's what you mean?
idk I think i interpreted what you said wrongly
coorperation between projects pretty much
that reminds me
@wispy blade do we make everything in elshout pass by value with no option to change it to references ever 
wait she's still banned
frick
not that yarn :P
yarn's a set of minecraft mappings
frank otter
<@!338608021791965204> do we make everything in elshout pass by value with no op...
just disallow any form of pointers ever
no pointers means yes memory safety
tried rust a while ago
it's cool in theory
it's 'static in practice
marble lark
just disallow any form of pointers ever
well you can pass by reference without letting people use pointers
oh wait any form of pointer
kekw i ain't thinking straight today
viral hornet
GOOD MORNING @quasi valley
worn ember
Hello CAMM
quasi valley
Good morning, Coummeron
potent fossil
Is it warm
worn ember
I have no clue
worn ember
Lmao
shell halo
why is this game update 70gb
kekw
plucky sparrow
http://paper.owo.foundation/AGa2o1L.png
sorry was this a flex of your download speeds
so rude
i only get like 30 MB/s max
plucky sparrow
i only get like 30 MB/s max
would probably be better if i used ethernet
limber knotBOT
well, duh
plucky sparrow
i dont have wifi 6
quasi valley
http://paper.owo.foundation/AGa2o1L.png
T E N M I N U T E S
cries
limber knotBOT
what? it has concurrency
plucky sparrow
what
limber knotBOT
literally async await
vernal olive
anyone knows good about Minecraft? No Developing :)
golden gust
most people here are server owners/devs
south matrix
No Developing :)
plucky sparrow
literally async await
can you try to have two things running at the same time
i personally can't manage to do it
did it once but it never worked again
limber knotBOT
dap you were right dart is really nice
plucky sparrow
did you even read the dart language tour
or did you just choose to go ahead and code a minecraft server in dart without any previous experience
limber knotBOT
not fully, skimmed through the parts that caught my eye
limber knotBOT
dude flutter is the ui lib
limber knotBOT
ok
worn ember
Get a room
tropic flame
evil Vegas Pro be like:
i support your xvid-encoded .AVI
limber knotBOT
waxen panther
that is exceedingly cringe
cedar spade
you are exceedingly cringe, Broccolai
waxen panther
broccolai*
plucky sparrow
i love this https://twitter.com/deetrollable/status/1467873824368566280?s=20
i did not add u in twitter so you could send me this shit
smh
charred spindle
Hi, looking to move my local paper server with a bunch of plugins to a dedicated server (australia). First of all im wondering what plugin/s i should use for multi-world support, im using multiverse at the moment, but entities cannot go through portals with that mod, even to a linked nether world, which makes some things impossible to build, so I'm looking for a workaround or alternative there. Also, perhaps more importantly, what host should I go with? This will be for 10 people max at first, but I may want to expand later on. Any help appreciated, cheers!
plucky sparrow
i recommend bloom host or dedicatedmc
about your other issues, you'd be better asking in #paper-help since more people will see your issue
oh wait you mean australia
ehhh
I believe extravm has servers in singapore / australia
limber knotBOT
listening to starcraft 2 ost while programming is a vibe
jagged nova
Hi, looking to move my local paper server with a bunch of plugins to a dedicated...
What sort of budget and specs do u want
stray oyster
listening to starcraft 2 ost while programming is a vibe
I’m over here getting panic-attack after panic attack because my prof is such a damn troll
1.5h lecture is planned;
Well have a set of three 3.5h video lecture you need to watch and do an assignment on for tomorrow
limber knotBOT
tfw repeats question
stray oyster
Thank god for double speed playback
Heck ain’t nobody gonna be able to finish that with this timeframe
plucky sparrow
@naomi can u confirm
potent fossil
im not even dutch and i can confirm
worn crest
Never saw that such massiv amount of bikes in Zealand or Amsterdam
twin lagoon
that's a normal day in amsterdam
and it is in amsterdam
it's pretty much a bicycle ferry to get to the other side of amsterdam
mental meadow
@twin lagoon 
twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
@dap yes i can
plucky sparrow
good
worn ember
imagine actively existing when in NL
limber knotBOT
imagine being ded
worn ember
i dont have to
limber knotBOT
https://naomi.s-ul.eu/RTlZksJx well, that's progress
potent fossil
twin lagoon
ah nice
pulsar sinew
insert power level joke here
chrome cosmos
hexed dragon
ha ha ha
marble lark
insert power level joke here
it's overrrrr 9 THOUSAND!!!!!!!
plucky sparrow
💀 http://paper.owo.foundation/3TFMeJj.png
you rarely find such good deals
magic river
It's basically a youtube channel about how the US and Canada suck at urban planning and road design and Amsterdam is the perfect place to live
limber knotBOT
Amsterdam is fucking terrible lmao
twin lagoon
amsterdam is great
i don't think i would call it the perfect place to live (too busy)
since most of the not just bikes channel applies to the entirety of the netherlands
magic river
But not all of it, they still have cities where they think they're Detroit
twin lagoon
the majority of things you see on there still applies
magic river
I imagine a good chunk of it applies to every decent sized European city since they predate cars and insane zoning and there is only so much they could change
limber knotBOT
rotterdam
mental meadow
the only thing I know about Amsterdam is that the nightjet train from Innsbruck to Amsterdam has the train number NJ 420, which is funny
twin lagoon
nightjet 
mental meadow
öbb trains epic
plucky sparrow
@naomi check twitter dms
mental meadow
magic river
Pick up mini on your way to the coffeeshop?
mental meadow
pick up mini and visit michael!
golden gust
We making a kidnapping plan?!
mental meadow
then we pick up naomi and drive her to cat so she can punch him
golden gust
my game plan is to just pick her skinny ass up and walk off with her (okay, few meters, unless I can find a bin to throw her ass in)
twin lagoon
@waxen panther thoughts
magic river
If Harry and Hermione didn't go back in time in Prisoner of Azkaban they wouldn't have found out about Sirius or gotten in trouble that required them to go back in time to try to fix so why did they go back the first time?
plucky sparrow
spoiler
rain belfry
Why didnt they go back and kill Voldemord when he was just a baby?
magic river
You can only go back 5 hours
golden gust
Thing with time travel is that it gets very naunced
Like, how does the time line continium or whatever you wanna call it look?
waxen panther
<@!264203519806930944> thoughts
i prefer not to read cat messages that are about naomi
magic river
Although apparently in the sequel play that was also a book they made ones that could go back as far as you wanted
Now that one is spoilers
golden gust
Like, I'd imagine you going back in time basically causes an entire new branch off
limber knotBOT
sounds like git
rain belfry
If i could timetravel i would get rich.
magic river
I think HPMOR established the reason is that Time does not like to be messed with and will mess with you right back
plucky sparrow
sounds like git
we live in a git?
magic river
Also they had a thing about not being able to go back past when someone went back last time and blah blah blah watch Primer
quasi valley
@golden gust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owBhCgqGrS0
plucky sparrow
pinged cat 😔
waxen panther
sigma kenny
cedar spade
this isn't the bully broc channel
Excuse me, every channel is the bully Broc channel
magic river
That's overpriced?
void void
yes
magic river
What bargain bin fly by night operation are you getting a cheap VPS from that'll die if you try to actually use it and will be out of business in a year or less?
void void
usually the going rate is like 1-2.50 per gb
twin lagoon
that is not the going rate
$5/mo per gigabyte is the industry standard for such cloud providers
twin lagoon
yes
void void
and a shared cpu
twin lagoon
yes
void void
thats funny
twin lagoon
then use cloudflare pages, vercel, firebase or whatever
twin lagoon
then have a bigger budget
magic river
Yeah from one of those places I was talking about
void void
I would not recommend using a $1/month vps lol
mild rune
DO is cheap as fuck lol
magic river
You can find them but they're oversold to shit and go out of business at random with no warning
mild rune
Especially for all that you get
magic river
OVH
twin lagoon
that is still cheap
magic river
That shit is cheaper than DO which is already cheap
plucky sparrow
indeed
magic river
You can't get cheaper than OVH without getting in to super sketchy stuff where if it breaks you're on your own, your bank might think the charges are fraud, and the company might disappear and delete your website tomorrow
plucky sparrow
thats if it lasts 2 years
magic river
I'll be surprised if you get 2 years
twin lagoon
an entirely different industry
void void
so you could just host a site from there 🧠
waxen panther
????
void void
but you can only use java applications
plucky sparrow
you can create a web server in java
void void
custom jar support = any java app
yeah but like
the only java opensource wiki software i found is kinda ass
mild rune
Or you can just get a $5 vps
waxen panther
simply be less broke
twin lagoon
if you can't lose $5 you need to re-evaluate your life choices
waxen panther
charge your anarchy players more
void void
for a websdite
plucky sparrow
simply be less broke
you just fixed poverty
void void
imagine paying anything monthly 
magic river
I don't really understand how the MC hosts cheaper than that work financially either
mild rune
I pay more on my domains than hosting lmfao
void void
I don't really understand how the MC hosts cheaper than that work financially ei...
they price competitively
probably making only normal profit
or they benefit from economies of scale
void void
I don't really understand how the MC hosts cheaper than that work financially ei...
- get machine
- set up HDD swop
- oversell
- profit
yeah
thats fine i will hog the cpu
well actgually
its a webserver
mild rune
They’ll just terminate you then lmfao
plucky sparrow
1) get machine
2) set up HDD swop
3) oversell
4) profit
why are you leaking our secrets
warm anchor
I don't really understand how the MC hosts cheaper than that work financially ei...
Xms=128M then sell as much as humanely possible
magic river
Dude just for support if they were selling $2 plans each support person would need to be able to handle at least 2000 customers to pay for themselves
void void
Xms=128M then sell as much as humanely possible
lol
magic river
And you haven't even covered hardware and bandwidth
void void
Dude just for support if they were selling $2 plans each support person would ne...
Just hire kids to do your support and give them a free server as their payment 
minecraft support person 4000 a month
golden gust
generally overselling on stuff like Xeons which have a metric fuckton of cores
warm anchor
I’ve seem some host’s support listing
warm anchor
They are paying really low wages and trust me there will be enough of kids that would gladly do it for free
void void
why are you leaking our secrets
Bought the machine for our summerhost 
true
literally judt
the owner could be the support jawn
just have it email the tickets to them
plucky sparrow
Bought the machine for our summerhost <:sunglas:734956765543923782>
autumn host*
about to be winter host
void void
<:OMEGALUL:783623213241466900>
ETA for what?
void void
just have it email the tickets to them
At a certain point you're not going to be able to keep up
golden gust
I mean, as said, theres always people willing to provide CS for a few bucks a week or whatever
golden gust
Like, it's just cash milking
void void
digitalocean made me pay 5 dollars to register
warm anchor
I mean, as said, theres always people willing to provide CS for a few bucks a we...
Yes I’ve seen this. Or they give the “person” a FREE server
golden gust
oversold nodes, oversold customers, high tenancy nodes, etc
void void
i thought they had free plans
void void
digitalocean made me pay 5 dollars to register
Should be added as account credit
They have free gh student credit for new customers btw
not sure if you're a student
golden gust
Yea
plucky sparrow
reminds me of the "searching a developer for my server, will be paid if server becomes successful"
golden gust
either need to top up $5 to activate or use one of the coupons for joining
void void
or use oracal cloud and randomly get your server suspended
plucky sparrow
^^
mild rune
Fuck oracle
plucky sparrow
well you are in the papermc server
warm anchor
reminds me of the "searching a developer for my server, will be paid if server b...
Hello guys. I have no knowledge of java but I have this million dollar idea. I just need a partner that can code for me and you can share 20% of my profit
crystal lilyBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
plucky sparrow
it'd be funny if it was the eta for some other thing
mild rune
Hello guys. I have no knowledge of java but I have this million dollar idea. I j...
Deal
waxen panther
warm anchor
Fuck oracle
Surprisingly enough mine is still working since May
void void
just like all those mods which hold Minecraft Java Edition on it's soldiers
plucky sparrow
Hello guys. I have no knowledge of java but I have this million dollar idea. I j...
sign me up
warm anchor
I guess it pays to be an oracle shill @mild rune
void void
it is a free community project after all
You'd be surprised how many people think otherwise
mild rune
Oracle terminated my shit 2 days in
warm anchor
mild rune
I hadn’t even setup anything
golden gust
git fukt
plucky sparrow
same
tough ledge
You'd be surprised how many people think otherwise
Its is an incredible amount lol
warm anchor
I guess they are being really stinky now
void void
Oh
my stuff has been running for a while now without getting terminated ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Oracle servers
Right?
guess it differs per person and how much they hate you
warm anchor
Coz so many people uses it now
mild rune
I now just have a handful of DO droplets
void void
lol they got popular
warm anchor
It’s the cloud compute @void void yes
void void
F to Oracle powered Minecraft servers then
warm anchor
You can search for this guild on the blog post and you can see I am the original shill
mild rune
I’ll give you a vps on my dedi but you get 256mb of ram 10mbps uplink and it costs $30 a month :)
tardy dust
8 patches left according to github.
plucky sparrow
25.5mb for $513