general

[brave radish]

it's EterNity's lol

[marble lark]

that's my favourite anime lmao

[marble lark]

oh

xdxd

[warm anchor]

Dragon ball even count as anime?

Thought it’d be lump in with classic stuff

[marble lark]

it's listed as one so i guess yeah

at least that's what google says

[left swift]

I called dragonball an anime once to my friend who is a die hard dragonball fan and he yelled at me for an hour

[marble lark]

i don't know what else you'd call it though

[left swift]

I think he said it was cartoon cuz of art style or something

Was years ago

[vernal moth]

It's not? Those animated cartoony children series all look the same to me

[wide chasm]

I don't watch dragonball, but looks anime to me

[void void]

[marble lark]

it's based off a manga and is a Japanese show

idk if that's enough to call it an anime but it sounds like one to me

[vernal moth]

Isn't manga just a comic?

[wide chasm]

Japanese comics I think

[marble lark]

I don't think a show where people are vored through someone's ass is what I'd recommend to kids to be honest ;P

[vernal moth]

I first saw saw at age 13 or something 😂

[tropic flame]

anime in japanese is literally just short for animation

Family Guy would be anime for them

here in the west is where we got the habit of calling "anime" exclusively to japanese animation

(or southern asian animation idk)

[marble lark]

sheesh

[tropic flame]

therefore, I'd call Dragon Ball an anime

because it literally is, in both definitions

[marble lark]

^

the visuals did get downgraded recently which I'm still salty about lel

well not recently

when the new series came out

the new movie is fire tho

[cosmic raft]

hi @waxen panther

[twin lagoon]

@waxen panther

[marble lark]

ello

I'm not brocc but I can take his place

C:

[tropic flame]

brocc is based

[toxic bone]

What is an anime

[waxen panther]

Hello

[pale robin]

ill put this here as this isnt exactly papermc issue but a general one , im in need of a plugin that will sync commands across two bungee child servers : example : On Server A player does a thing , Server B : runs a command

[waxen panther]

[cosmic raft]

Did you see it? :p

https://i.imgur.com/JQgXe4k.png

[pale robin]

anyone know of one , i searched spigot but couldnt fine one

that does that

or alteast updated to latest version

[warm anchor]

How’s your weekend so far @cosmic raft

[cosmic raft]

meh

[warm anchor]

Get some taco tonight it will bring the mood back

[waxen panther]

Oh my god

Thank you kash this is beautiful

[warm anchor]

Oh that’s the role thing

[void void]

ooh

role icons

[brave radish]

I wonder how that looks hoisted

[mossy vessel]

Luckily this does not affect irc mode

[warm anchor]

It doesn’t show on the side bar chicken

Only on the chat itself

[void void]

:(

[frank otter]

role icons huh

today I learn that was a thing

why tho?

[mossy vessel]

I got that notif back last week

But apparently notif comes before they actually role it out for a server.

Tho does it support custom emojis?

[void void]

it lets you upload a png

[mossy vessel]

gross

[warm anchor]

Rolling update™️

Possibly one of the worse way to update an app like discord

[brave radish]

ok why does ™️ sometimes show up as gray and sometimes white

because when it's gray it's nearly invisible on the gray background

[void void]

depends on the platform iirc

[warm anchor]

I use emoji version when I am on mobile

[void void]

on ios/android it renders as a system emoji

[warm anchor]

I use Unicode version when I am on pc coz I remember the short key for it

[void void]

:tm: does the same as just pasting the unicode char iirc

[brave radish]

one day I typed :tm: and it showed up as white but now the same thing shows up as gray

[warm anchor]

™

[brave radish]

how did you type that one?

[toxic bone]

Trademark

[fossil patio]

based on what

[brave radish]

broccoli was cultivated by humans from wild cabbage

[nova umbra]

Which server engine is best?
Im using already spigot and paper
(Im looking for paid too)

[brave radish]

Why on Earth would you look for a paid version? 99.99% of those are scams

[nova umbra]

Its your opinion

[mossy vessel]

You are asking this in Paper, the answer will be obvious

[brave radish]

no, something either is or isn't a scam; that's not really a matter of opinion

[nova umbra]

Yeah 😆

[brave radish]

It also depends on why Paper is inadequate; is your server lagging?

[nova umbra]

Yeah, purpur better xd

[marble lark]

I'm guessing stability issues or Paper patched dupe bugs that they want in the game

[nova umbra]

Sometime

[mossy vessel]

Can relate this so much

Paper works very badly on my yonah 1024

Looking for better fork

[sand shuttle]

manga: a style of Japanese comic books and graphic novels, typically aimed at adults as well as children.
anime: a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children.

so, yea basically if you go off definition alone

[brave radish]

Purpur isn't even a performance fork; if you got any less lag on it, it's likely from Airplane (or Tuinity if you were running Paper before the merge). You're literally just asking for a "better" fork without stating what you actually want to be better

[void void]

just buy $999 fork, TortillaSpigotPaper, which reduces lag by deleting all chunk loading

[mossy vessel]

I stick with my own

[marble lark]

my lungs omfg

[void void]

20tps guaranteed*

• terms and conditions may (and will) apply

[marble lark]

Purpur is a fork with custom gameplay elements yeah

sorta like my own private fork but the mechanics it adds actually work lmao

[nova umbra]

Enderpearls fixes with shot through wall, stairs etc. TNT anti lag which doing exploding faster without big lags, Item/mob etc stacker

Anti lag things

[brave radish]

turn on optimize-explosions in paper.yml

[nova umbra]

Its not too much

[brave radish]

Item/mob stackers are nearly always dumb and you shouldn't use them, if you really want one, learn why you shouldn't, and then, if you still do, use RoseStacker

[nova umbra]

Why rosestacker

[brave radish]

I don't know what the first part means

[brave radish]

because it's less dumb than some of the others

[nova umbra]

Players can go through wall, its not good on survival, guilds sever

[limber knot]

but it's also the only mobstacker plugin I know of that will stack mobs that were spawned by other plugins.

[brave radish]

is that a vanilla thing? I don't know of any fork that fixes that

[nova umbra]

I know some forks fix that

[brave radish]

such as?

[nova umbra]

I dont remember which one

But i saw that

[brave radish]

wrong server?

[marble lark]

i think that's harsh sarcasm directed at Pioter for not knowing which fork fixes said bug

[warm anchor]

[nova umbra]

GuardSpigot

[marble lark]

doggo

[brave radish]

I agree with the dog. What?

[void void]

why is this guy attaching a random screenshot as "proof ownership"

yes

duh

it's a paid fork

[marble lark]

why is everything in IJ red

[brave radish]

Oh I see. I guess I haven't been in 4th grade in too long to understand

[void void]

might have to do with git iirc

or shit code

[spiral robin]

kanye's new album is wack

[void void]

unfortunately, yes

[marble lark]

Yeah I know it's git i had the same problem

[spiral robin]

@mossy vessel

ily

[marble lark]

thing is it shouldn't be every file that's red

[brave radish]

I think he's trying to show that he has the source code and he's not stealing it, however what it really shows is that he's modifying the TacoSpigot API directly

[void void]

ah yes

fork supports 1.16 guys!

[brave radish]

Ij does that when a file isn't tracked by git probably because the developer doesn't know how to use it

[marble lark]

also I think the dev meant createdMonsters not creaturedMonsters ;P

[marble lark]

ah ok

[void void]

this makes zero sense

where is he caching it that's faster than ram

[marble lark]

the stack somehow

idk

[mossy vessel]

Good morning

[brave radish]

🤨

[marble lark]

are modern CPU registers large enough to hold chunks

can't really think of anything else

[wispy blade]

definitely not

[marble lark]

xd

[void void]

what now

[spiral robin]

um

[wispy blade]

largest i've seen is 256 MB L3 i believe

[marble lark]

???????

Taliban Pearls??

[meager tusk]

TALIBAN pearls?

[wispy blade]

noah revealing his true dutchness

[marble lark]

only other place I can think of are the native thread stacks tbh

[void void]

this is the funniest shit i've ever seen

what does this graph even mean

[marble lark]

not entirely implausible since HotSpot internally does use the native stack but I have no idea how you would even do that

[wispy blade]

lmfao

[void void]

does their compression algorithm get tired?

[heady spear]

I hope everyone is watching MCC. Everything else would be a crime 😠

[meager tusk]

Why would anyone watch minecraft youtube

[void void]

I actually have it open in the background lol

[marble lark]

sarcasm or actual question I don't want to get flamed for answering ;-;

[heady spear]

most ppl stream on twitch smh

[meager tusk]

correction

Why would anyone watch Minecraft

[wispy blade]

exactly

[spiral robin]

mcc is LAME

[heady spear]

ok hundreds of thousands of ppl disagree but feel free to be wrong @spiral robin

[marble lark]

nowadays it's only dream tbh

[meager tusk]

hundreds of thousands of ppl also elected mustache guy

they can be wrong

[plucky sparrow]

the only minecraft i watch is hermitcraft

[heady spear]

ok there are hermits in the event

perfect

[plain thunder]

Is there any plugin like griefprevention for 1.17? :/

[marble lark]

old timers remember when Pat was relevant

[wispy blade]

etho.

[meager tusk]

Dream? The guy who suggests you throw out ADHD meds?

Least dangerous minecraft youtuber

[upbeat falcon]

GriefPrevention | SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/griefprevention.1884/

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[plucky sparrow]

dream is crap

[heady spear]

watch tommy together with 175k other ppl

[plain thunder]

griefprevention isnt updated for 1.17

[meager tusk]

who's tommy

[plucky sparrow]

tommyinnit im guessing?

[meager tusk]

innit? like british?

won't watch

[marble lark]

@void void where d'ya even get that from anyway

[wispy blade]

most based balkan.

[void void]

^

[plucky sparrow]

am i the only one that watches hermitcraft?

ok

[marble lark]

oh

[meager tusk]

sounds like you're.. a hermit.

[heady spear]

I started watching hermitcraft in season 1

then I stopped after a couple of years :p

[marble lark]

I've watched Tango on hermit if that counts

[plucky sparrow]

oh i only started watching it in season 7

[wispy blade]

noob

[meager tusk]

The last time I remember watching Minecraft is watching those prisoners vs guards videos that skydoesminecraft used to make

[heady spear]

ok watch dream stream mcc together with his 130k viewers !

[void void]

lmao I love how they advertise built in gamerules

[plucky sparrow]

shut up biombo

[meager tusk]

Are you on mc-market right now?

[marble lark]

I haven't played MC in a hell of a long time but isn't that just doDaylightCycle

[void void]

yes

[meager tusk]

Leave please

[marble lark]

rip

[void void]

MCM is a great source of entertainment

[wispy blade]

agreed

[plucky sparrow]

it's clearly a new feature

[heady spear]

you know what else is a great source of entertainment?

[marble lark]

what's on there that's funny?

[twin lagoon]

IDRIZ!

BRO!

[meager tusk]

Not MCC

BRO!

[heady spear]

[wispy blade]

#paper-help or #general

[heady spear]

@twin lagoon everyone here r mcc haters

this is a toxic communit

y

[meager tusk]

yea we're not infants

[twin lagoon]

i love MCC

which is why i'm watching youtube now

[meager tusk]

Michael what the fuck

[heady spear]

michael you should be watching the green geckos

[meager tusk]

Removed your access to KGBSpigot

[twin lagoon]

orange is pretty solid ngl

[heady spear]

[marble lark]

Nah defo only #general since I usually hang out here while being an absolute clown

[heady spear]

god that is cursed

this cute doe

[plucky sparrow]

what even is mcc about

[void void]

minecraft

[meager tusk]

Have you ever been to a kids theater

like the ones with puppets

[marble lark]

it's a minecraft competition of who survives the longest or something

[heady spear]

40 ppl in 10 teams compete in 8 minigames, the two teams that earn the most coins face off in a game of dodgebolt

the winners get a pretty coin

[plucky sparrow]

oh my god thank you so so so so much

[meager tusk]

it's the equivalent of that but in Minecraft

[plucky sparrow]

you just explained it all

[void void]

ur welcome

[heady spear]

https://mcc.live/ <-- very cool website

[plucky sparrow]

i'll watch grians stream

[quasi valley]

do I get a cookie if I open the site

[heady spear]

@untold meadow fellow grian enjoyer

there is a cookie notice at the bottom

so ig ?

[plucky sparrow]

is there no mumbo jombo

[quasi valley]

hmm I guess that's cookie enough

[meager tusk]

who made that website

[marble lark]

MMAPGaming just crying quietly in the corner about beng forgotten

[heady spear]

our web dev

[quasi valley]

I thought it was the janitor

[heady spear]

the web dev is also the janitor

[quasi valley]

okay that's good

[plucky sparrow]

city I smell a rat

is it you

[heady spear]

I smell epic

[quasi valley]

you should make them head janitor

[meager tusk]

Why would they be a janitor?

Probably the smartest person in MCC team.

They use React.

Whoever they are I love them.

[quasi valley]

everyone loves janitors

or do you have a problem with janitors?

[meager tusk]

except money.

[quasi valley]

[marble lark]

what if I said yes lel

[quasi valley]

[marble lark]

:C

[heady spear]

the website is actually really cool

objectively

[plucky sparrow]

it's definitely you that smells like a rat

how long has it been since you last took a shower

[wispy blade]

citymonstrat?

[plucky sparrow]

i'm worried city

[marble lark]

ba dum tss

[heady spear]

I showered once before haircut and once when I got home

[plucky sparrow]

it smells very bad

[heady spear]

it might be the chicken I am carrying between my cheeks

[untold meadow]

grian >>>>]

although mumbo >>>>>>>>>

[plucky sparrow]

grian is top tier

[twin lagoon]

BEST kezz

[heady spear]

mumbo used to be on cubekrowd so like

we played on same server

[marble lark]

:pepelove:

[heady spear]

basically best friends

[marble lark]

god F*cking dammit

[plucky sparrow]

lies

no one would ever want to be your best friend :/

[heady spear]

shut up

michael loves me

[twin lagoon]

you literally hate me

[untold meadow]

omg introduce me

[plucky sparrow]

poor city

[untold meadow]

also BEST micahegahaalaieqanaieal

[meager tusk]

fuck this team

all my homies hate "Purple" pandas

[teal kiln]

hey

how is everyone?

[heady spear]

kezz can u be my friend

plz

[plucky sparrow]

orange ocelots best

[heady spear]

omg I tricked paper into being mcc viewers

[meager tusk]

you tricked me into clicking that website

no views for you

[untold meadow]

i can be ur friend city

[heady spear]

omg kezz

<333

[void void]

city gets a commission for every viewer he refers

[untold meadow]

bffls xoxo

[plucky sparrow]

orange ocelots winning

ez

[untold meadow]

why is my wifi like 10mbps at the moment wtf

[spiral robin]

that website is so hot

[untold meadow]

i wanna play life is strange

[plucky sparrow]

does this look like #paper-help to you

[meager tusk]

i wouldn't go as far as to call it hot

[untold meadow]

smh guess ill just watch mcc instead

[meager tusk]

it is ok tho

because it uses react

[spiral robin]

ok

[meager tusk]

ok

[wispy blade]

react

[twin lagoon]

react

[plucky sparrow]

xoxo

[spiral robin]

@twin lagoon

!

[void void]

was about to say the exact same lol

[twin lagoon]

aber

[meager tusk]

react > all. yes I said what i said

[heady spear]

ok pizza and cheese triangles

i am happy

[spiral robin]

jquery 😔

[wispy blade]

i kinda like svelte

[meager tusk]

i would like svelte if anyone was hiring for it kek

and it wasn't you know, deciding between whether or not they wanna use sapper or not

[void void]

$ = document.querySelectorAll

there, minified jquery for you

[wispy blade]

im not in the job market so no problem B)

[meager tusk]

ok unemployed

[wispy blade]

what else do you expect of a 15 year old

[meager tusk]

i was 15 when i was employed

[untold meadow]

jquery 🤮

[wispy blade]

i used to do a paper round but it was hell.

[spiral robin]

lol, saw that on twitter recently

[meager tusk]

i love jquery.

It is my reason to live.

[spiral robin]

i love idriz

[meager tusk]

I love aber.

[spiral robin]

that is FINAL

[languid karma]

When I was your age I was 18 years old

[wispy blade]

who asked

[plucky sparrow]

isn't there like a nodejs minecraft server

[wispy blade]

yeah

flying squid

[void void]

mineflayer

[plucky sparrow]

?

oh

nvm

[meager tusk]

based node minecraft server

[void void]

.g mineflayer site:github.com

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://github.com/PrismarineJS/mineflayer

[void void]

also has server ^

wait no

[meager tusk]

wait where

[marble lark]

those are bots though the server itself is just Prismarine

[wispy blade]

typscript mc server when

[void void]

that's node-minecraft-protocol

same org though

[meager tusk]

feather-rs 1.17.1 when

[wispy blade]

HoneyGO when :c

[marble lark]

you might as well just use Prismarine if you want typescript

pretty much just js but prettier

[plucky sparrow]

there's some person creating a minecraft client in swift

[wispy blade]

lmao

[plucky sparrow]

quite epic ngl

[marble lark]

lame

[spiral robin]

swift is hot

[marble lark]

wait for when someone writes Minecraft in bash

[void void]

minecraft client in brainfuck when™️

[plucky sparrow]

I love swift

[wispy blade]

anyway @marble lark i've written down some design stuff for The Elshout programming language

[marble lark]

ayy

[void void]

was actually doing something like that a couple of weeks ago, gave up after a while

[plucky sparrow]

elshout? wtf is that name

[wispy blade]

.google rene elshout

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/rene/elshout

[meager tusk]

least dumb thing naomi could come up with

[void void]

it was just a fancy packet replayer though

[marble lark]

oh god lel

[marble lark]

mean

[wispy blade]

dammit paperchan

wrong linksl

[plucky sparrow]

what happened to @deep juniper

[marble lark]

to be honest that's better than anything I could've come up with since I'd have just named it scrypt lmao

[wispy blade]

lol

[meager tusk]

just name it Idris

oh wait

[plucky sparrow]

so like an offbrand scythe?

[meager tusk]

.google idris language

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Language.Reflection (module) Meanings . (https://duckduckgo.com/187/d/Language.Reflection_(module)?v=i&kp=1)

[meager tusk]

What the fuck

[wispy blade]

i just really hate Rene Elshout

[marble lark]

oh my god HAHAHA

[plucky sparrow]

thats not google

[potent fossil]

That's right babey

[plucky sparrow]

LOL

.google dap programming language

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.gnu.org/software/dap/

[plucky sparrow]

L

[meager tusk]

https://www.idris-lang.org/

Check that out

[marble lark]

but you're naming your language after him?

[meager tusk]

best language ever made

ever.

[potent fossil]

Yeah it's not google I had to code it to use duckduckgo cause google wants money

[plucky sparrow]

aw

[potent fossil]

Duckduckgo let's me use it for free

[meager tusk]

then call it .duckduckgo

[plucky sparrow]

rename it to duckduckgo

[meager tusk]

most intelligent s*mple

[plucky sparrow]

you're slow

[marble lark]

there was a dap compiler somewhere iirc

[potent fossil]

It is called that as well but people use .g

[plucky sparrow]

dap is just a hot name

[meager tusk]

ok

[wispy blade]

why not?

[potent fossil]

I think anyway...

.duckduckgo test

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Test cricket The form of the sport of cricket with the longest match duration, and is considered the game's... (https://duckduckgo.com/Test_cricket?v=i&kp=1)

[potent fossil]

Yea

[marble lark]

fair enough

[spiral robin]

gross lang

[meager tusk]

Hate you

Don't talk to me

[plucky sparrow]

i've been unable to understand the dap programming language though

[wispy blade]

just... google the term "rene elshout" (in actual google)

[marble lark]

fine

[potent fossil]

Idk if sulus /google is using real google

[meager tusk]

I just see some funky bald dude with glasses

[mighty storm]

the worst part about that idris site is the font for the headers, why's it so squeezed

[upbeat falcon]

Handanalyse door diagnostisch handanalist ® René Elshout in Breda!

https://www.handanalyse-handlezen.nl/

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[marble lark]

wtf

[meager tusk]

wdym?

[wispy blade]

handanalysis by diagnostic handanalist rene elshout in breda

[plucky sparrow]

embeds are so hot

[wispy blade]

do not ask why or how i know this man

[mighty storm]

sheesh

[meager tusk]

ah it's a dutch person

[upbeat falcon]

Search Engine Land - News On Search Engines, Search Engine ...

https://searchengineland.com/

News On Search Engines, Search Engine Optimization (SEO) & Search Engine Marketing (SEM)

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[meager tusk]

yea don't name the language after a dutch person that's bad luck

[marble lark]

I can't understand the language google is giving me

[wispy blade]

the man himself means bad luck to me

[void void]

first result on google too

[marble lark]

for reference I googled Rene Elshout

[void void]

ddg returns yahoo

so probably real google?

[potent fossil]

Ddg tries its best

[meager tusk]

does anyone know any solid alternatives to multimc

[potent fossil]

[void void]

vanilla launcher

[meager tusk]

it's asking me to do some annoying 2fa process with microsoft accounts now

[mighty storm]

i mean using api you may as well be using ddg since it's not optimized based off your history or whatever

[meager tusk]

haha you're very funny and quirky 😐

[potent fossil]

Ddg doesn't offer access to their real search results, only "quick answers"

[void void]

vanilla launcher can do the same ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent fossil]

So it's kinda interesting

[mighty storm]

doesnt mmc support mfa finally after 5 months of migration lol

[wispy blade]

^

[meager tusk]

it does but it's so wack

[mighty storm]

you gotta go to their microsoft/link page thingy

[meager tusk]

yea

i hate it

[mighty storm]

which is.. how it works almost everywhere? ever owned a smart tv? lol

[meager tusk]

yeah but that doesn't happen every day

but on mmc it does

[mighty storm]

nor do you need to sign in to your ms account on mmc every day? i dont at least lol

[meager tusk]

i do actually

it invalidates my session for some reason

[mighty storm]

tho tbf it needs a good alternative, dev is quite annoyin, love the concept though

galaxy brain move is making the instances with mmc and booting through the vanilla launcher

[meager tusk]

vanilla launcher instances

that could be interesting

[mighty storm]

you just set the launcher folder

[spiral robin]

ios 15 in 2 days

[void void]

vanilla launcher already has that

[void void]

^

[meager tusk]

o

neato

[mighty storm]

only issue is getting forge and fabric in the vanilla launcher gets.. tedious

[left swift]

Hi chew

[mighty storm]

im mad monterey is only supported on the imac literally the year after the one i have 😔

hi

[meager tusk]

I'm getting me a new macbook air soon.

[brave radish]

oof, mine's stuck on Catalina

[twin lagoon]

multimc epic

[mighty storm]

im surprised how well this is performing for a 7 year old computer

[twin lagoon]

it has them but it's very bad / takes effort

[brave radish]

same with mine 😄

[twin lagoon]

same i'm just gonna sell my xps 13

[meager tusk]

Michael.

Guess where I'm getting the Macbook Air from.

[mighty storm]

apple

[twin lagoon]

krusic

[meager tusk]

Yeah but

[twin lagoon]

stolen from a truck

[meager tusk]

The Netherlands bro.

[twin lagoon]

BRO!

[toxic bone]

orange

[mighty storm]

you got obsidian bro

[twin lagoon]

i'm waiting for the new macbooks in october/november hopefully

a macbook air would've been fine but i'll take the pro redesign if it's good

[toxic bone]

minecraft reference

[meager tusk]

Is it confirmed?

[void void]

can confirm

I live in a minecraft reference

[mighty storm]

im surprised with how good the mb air battery is, i was on a discord call sharing my screen and videoing for about 8 hours and the battery lasted the whole time

[meager tusk]

Are the stories about the screen's fragility true?

[mighty storm]

despite discord running on intel true

[meager tusk]

Dust cracking the screen sounds painful

[mighty storm]

idk, i actually take care of my laptop lol

[meager tusk]

Yeah same, but I've also heard that it can happen because of the wrong types of backpacks or something

[mighty storm]

it's amazing how quickly you can break something due to negligence

[marble lark]

what ya have so far btw

[marble lark]

Raises finger in protest
Hmm they have a point
Puts finger back down

[twin lagoon]

i can't imagine the build quality being that bad

just have your laptop in case instead of chucking it in your backpack

[meager tusk]

Yeah actually that's why I'm getting a case too

[twin lagoon]

i cannot imagine why someone would chuck their $1500 laptop in a backpack without a case

[mighty storm]

i have a case for mine I use when moving it, helps protect it a bit

[twin lagoon]

when it has a glass screen etc

[meager tusk]

can do that when you have a lot of money i guess

[twin lagoon]

fair

[left swift]

What do you do to your backpacks that would break a laptop

[mighty storm]

i mean, people arent necessarily all that cautious with a relatively cheap backpack lol

[meager tusk]

dunno, I've never broken mine but that's because the laptops I owned previously were those thick thinkpads

[mighty storm]

i knowim not, i toss that thing around

[twin lagoon]

macbooks would obviously be more prone to damage

[left swift]

Ya cuz they're shit

[plucky sparrow]

no u

[meager tusk]

cap

[left swift]

[meager tusk]

getting the macbook for the font rendering 🧠

[twin lagoon]

yes

and 4k scaling

[meager tusk]

it's so good

windows needs to step up its game

[twin lagoon]

anything needs to step up their game compared to macos

[meager tusk]

yeah tbh

[mighty storm]

it's weird switching from my 27' imac and 23' monitor to a 13.8' laptop screen

[left swift]

Next step is a tablet

[mighty storm]

i didnt realize how big the ipad screens can get until i saw one in person

and how smooth 120hz was

[plucky sparrow]

honestly scrolling on my iphone is ugly as hell

it's not good

at least on the settings app

[left swift]

U frequently scroll on ur settings app?

[meager tusk]

might get an ipad for uni

for notetaking

[plucky sparrow]

I frequently use my settings app

it's my most used app

[left swift]

Gross

[meager tusk]

??? why

[left swift]

For why

[plucky sparrow]

follow me on Settings @notdap

[left swift]

For why

[plucky sparrow]

i like checking my battery health

[meager tusk]

a little excessively sounds like

[mighty storm]

dang mine's down to 91% already

[plucky sparrow]

what if the percentage goes down???!?

mine is down to 87

[mighty storm]

means 100% of your battery now would be only 87% if it were brand new battery

[left swift]

And then

[meager tusk]

my battery's down to like

fuck, probably 80%?

haven't checked in a while

[plucky sparrow]

my ipad's probably down to like 40%

i only got it like 3 years ago

[meager tusk]

my iphone was at about 67% and then i got the battery changed at a repair shop

back to 100%

[warm anchor]

My phone is down to 87% but it’s an old iPhone 11 Pro Max with heavy use

[plucky sparrow]

Mine is the 11 Pro but not heavy use

just regular use

I'll probably change the battery once it hits 75% or 80%

[meager tusk]

hah, mine's a 7+

haven't changed it in 3 years

thing's a beast

[potent fossil]

Highly recommend

I used an Android tablet first and couldn't stand it, the iPad is so great for notes

[plucky sparrow]

I'd love using my iPad to take notes but it only supports the 1st gen apple pencil

so i'll wait until i get a new ipad

[potent fossil]

Ended up selling the android tablet and grabbing an older ipad for $400 (but yea the pencil is separate)

Very worth it though

[marble lark]

my phone's screen died like 1 hour ago

just straight up turned black and never recovered

[potent fossil]

F

[marble lark]

but everything else still works

10/10 I have to listen to calls without being able to answer them

[ionic pelican]

And why not an android tablet?

If you're only gonna do notetaking you'd rather use android

[meager tusk]

apple makes reliable hardware

don't want an android tablet shitting the bed while i'm notetaking

[ionic pelican]

What do you mean by "reliable"?

[meager tusk]

read above

[ionic pelican]

Android tablets can take shits now?

woah

[meager tusk]

you're not funny

[ionic pelican]

That's a rather innovative feature

[meager tusk]

😐

you know what I mean.

[ionic pelican]

I don't lol

[meager tusk]

ok guess you'll stay in the dark

[ionic pelican]

ohh you mean leaking acid or something

like really

what do you mean 😭

[potent fossil]

Mine would freeze mid class and I'd have to restart it

And I'd miss a lot of lecture

Ipad has not done that

[meager tusk]

aaand this is what i mean. this is what happens with most android devices I've used, and I can't risk that when notetaking

[ionic pelican]

that's because it was probably damaged

[potent fossil]

That was my chief complaint other than the shitty screen that would press in

[ionic pelican]

Ohh i see what you mean now

never happened to me though

[potent fossil]

Damaged after buying it?

Well in that case whatever

Glad to replace it with a better system then

[ionic pelican]

Could be a production error

[potent fossil]

Not going to debate it though - I'm just happy I can take notes without issues now

I'm not strictly apple or strictly android, I'm on Android phone right now

[ionic pelican]

Android isn't supposed to display those high resolutions either (I think)

[potent fossil]

I didn't change the resolution, it was factory default tablet from best buy

[warm anchor]

I can’t think of any good android tablet that’s comparable to M1

[potent fossil]

I don't even have the m1 ipad

It's an older one and leagues better than what I was using

[warm anchor]

How is this even up to debate when M1 is literally praised by pretty much everyone (aside from pricing I guess?

[magic river]

Android tablets suffer from Google trying to get people to write hybrid apps

[potent fossil]

Idk if it'll happen to you if you happened to grab an Android one but it did happen to me and hasn't since so, yea

[magic river]

And just letting phone apps work even if they aren't hybrid

[potent fossil]

Personal experience

[magic river]

iPad started out allowing phone apps but it rendered them at phone size in the middle of the screen

[potent fossil]

I don't think anyone is debating m1

Unless I missed context

[magic river]

Google thought people would do it like web pages and support multiple sizes in one app

[ionic pelican]

They also helped the developers o port their apps through SDKs and shit

[potent fossil]

They're just debating apple products in general which is the typical cancer discussion in here

[magic river]

Most websites don't even scale like that, that's fucking hard

[ionic pelican]

I mean that's what they were supposed to do

[warm anchor]

I see but yeah it shouldn’t be generalized

[magic river]

Instead Android tablets just run oversized phone apps that often lock you to portrait mode which sucks on a tablet

[warm anchor]

It should be model to model if it is ever going to be any reasonable debate

Otherwise it’s gonna fall into fanboy territory

[meager tusk]

no, I'm saying that this is my personal experience from multiple android devices I've used

[potent fossil]

yes and Im not even interested in debating, I just found that the android tablet fucked my note taking up and the iPad has been solid

[meager tusk]

shit just crashes way too much

[magic river]

At the price point it takes to get decent hardware for a tablet you may as well spend a little more to get an iPad which actually has apps

[potent fossil]

Ah

[magic river]

And the cheap tablets are usually junk

[potent fossil]

Anyway I'm off to the shop to buy coffee

[ionic pelican]

But why not just using a laptop?

It's more practical (in my experience)

[marble lark]

I can't say which is better or worse since I've only used android

[warm anchor]

Laptop is like 4 times the size

[marble lark]

but developing stuff for Android is awful

[warm anchor]

Minimum

[ionic pelican]

Depends on the laptop

[potent fossil]

I already have a laptop and want to take handwritten notes. If I didn't have a laptop I'd probably have just gotten a surface and called it a day

[warm anchor]

I don’t think there’s laptop as small as tablet… or they would be called tablet !?

[potent fossil]

But that wasn't my situation

[ionic pelican]

Aaaand that's where the surface tablet comes in handy

[meager tusk]

Yeah but I want to use macOS on my laptop and to take handwritten notes

[ionic pelican]

ohh sorry can't relate lol

I always use linux in those type of cases

[warm anchor]

Linux and good support for hand written note?

[ionic pelican]

who uses handwriting

Typing in the keyboard is wayyyyy faster

[potent fossil]

this is a dumbass conversation

[warm anchor]

I am so looking forward for the next iOS update

[twin lagoon]

[ionic pelican]

What does it add?

[warm anchor]

I can draw graph faster than I can type the graph

[hybrid trench]

We use Notepad++ to type in VHDL which then is passed to a synthesizer, that synthesizer outputs a file that goes to a Place and Route file which then outputs a bit stream file that gets loaded on the FPGA

[ionic pelican]

ohhh

[warm anchor]

AI enhanced text recognization

As well

[ionic pelican]

woah that's cool

Wouldn't it be more resource heavy though?

[hybrid trench]

cries in Matlab

[meager tusk]

I'd rather not, again the only reason I'd invest in this type of setup for uni is because of how reliable it is

[ionic pelican]

Linux is more reliable than macos afaik

(I've never used macos only my friend)

[twin lagoon]

questionable

[meager tusk]

That's up for debate

[ionic pelican]

idk my mac user friend says so

[hybrid trench]

Mac OS is Linux Based tho

[twin lagoon]

it's not

it's BSD

[meager tusk]

^

[twin lagoon]

both are unix-like which is why you'd notice the similiarity

[hybrid trench]

If it sounds like a duck

[meager tusk]

not how that works but ok

[hybrid trench]

😂

Naw windows is way more versatile than Mac and I’d say prob even more light weight, but Mac UI is soooo nice that’s why Mac is my personal computer but gaming and such i deff prefer windows

Unless you use boot camp on a Mac that is ultimate god mind 👀

[ionic pelican]

uhhh that's really up for debate

[twin lagoon]

wouldn't surprise me if macos sucks up more memory for caching & gpu for the UI

[ionic pelican]

I thought it was Unix

[twin lagoon]

they're unix-like

[ionic pelican]

welp

you learn something new every day I guess

[hybrid trench]

About a month till Windows 11 😍

[twin lagoon]

actually no you're right

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg/1920px-Unix_history-simple.svg.png

[viscid wedge]

macOS is based Darwin, which is based on an old version of FreeBSD, but macOS also has Unix specification

[twin lagoon]

linux is unix-like, BSD coming from Unix

[hybrid trench]

That png is fucking me I can’t read it cause black background lol

[viscid wedge]

so you can call macOS a "Unix", since they paid the licensing fee or whatever

[meager tusk]

operating systems are the original CraftBukkit is what I'm seeing

[viscid wedge]

Worse.

Infinitely more interesting though. All these spigot forks adding a single thing are boring as fuck.

Now that Tuinity got upstreamed, and Purpur pulled in Airplane's patches, there's only one, maybe two interesting forks of Paper

[ionic pelican]

Oh I thought BSD was a rewrite of Unix

[meager tusk]

Doesn't this also make it a lot more interesting how smooth the OS is though?

[viscid wedge]

BSD is a derivative of AT&T Unix

[twin lagoon]

yeah it's a good thing

[brave radish]

Purpur pulling Airplane's patches makes Airplane not matter anymore? 🤨

[viscid wedge]

No

Airplane is the second notable fork

[meager tusk]

I'm going back to hMod

[ionic pelican]

It takes up more resources and gives the illusion that it runs faster in exchange

kinda genious

[brave radish]

oh were you saying down from three including Airplane-Purpur?

[viscid wedge]

Yes

[meager tusk]

Illusion it runs faster means that it's probably running faster though, no?

[viscid wedge]

Something along those lines

[meager tusk]

How would you create an illusion of performance? Surely people would notice?

[ionic pelican]

I mean it's not really running faster. Everything's just preloaded

[viscid wedge]

Something you guys need to understand is that throughput and responsiveness are two different things. macOS will be more responsive than Linux under most situations, but Linux will beat it in performance throughput every single time.

[meager tusk]

who's "you guys" lol

I'm just saying that if it's snappy then the user will likely be happy with that

[ionic pelican]

That is because Linux can't afford responsiveness since it's supposed to run in a lot of PCs

[viscid wedge]

User facing systems should probably prioritize responsiveness, as it gives the appearance of the computer being fast

But any serious server will be looking at throughput

[viscid wedge]

That... Doesn't make sense.

Can you elaborate on that idea, so I can correct it?

[meager tusk]

nobody's arguing that macOS is good on servers lol

[twin lagoon]

well it can

[viscid wedge]

Everyone talking about "illusion of performance" or whatever lmao

[meager tusk]

Except the definition of performance for most people who aren't dealing with servers is synonymous to responsiveness

[warm anchor]

^

[viscid wedge]

Yes, but there is a distinction.

Saying it's an illusion is just plain incorrect, they're two different metrics is all

[ionic pelican]

Linux is supposed to run on a lot of PCs

[meager tusk]

I'm not saying it's an illusion

[ionic pelican]

even the ones that don't have much ram

[meager tusk]

That's what Ivaniku said

[viscid wedge]

Linux is designed to be scalable

[meager tusk]

I'm saying that if it's snappy to the end user and things load fast for them it'll matter more than seeing benchmarks on some CLI program

[ionic pelican]

Responsiveness requires more resources

That's my point

[viscid wedge]

Which I'm not arguing

[meager tusk]

we're on the same side then

[viscid wedge]

Pretty much

[ionic pelican]

You just argued in the same side-

How is that even possible

[viscid wedge]

Linux was never designed to be a desktop or laptop kernel, though you can tweak it to be one. The reality is that it's tailored for servers and workstations where prioritizing raw processing power makes more sense.

[marble lark]

^

[ionic pelican]

Though many poeple use it

Which brings the question, is there an alternative to linux made for end users?

[twin lagoon]

yes

linux

[meager tusk]

alternative to linux made for end users?

end users being who?

[warm anchor]

End user or dumb user

[meager tusk]

if you mean regular people then Windows and macOS

[warm anchor]

It’s different

[viscid wedge]

if you want something Unix-like that holds your hand, you want a Mac

[marble lark]

yep

[meager tusk]

(or that's pretty and has good font rendering)

[marble lark]

iirc didn't mac and Linux have a similar ancestor or something

can't remember

[viscid wedge]

Conversely, I hate working on Macs because they keep so much locked away from the user

[ionic pelican]

I'm not buying a mac because I already have a good PC and there's just no way I'm getting hackintosh

[twin lagoon]

why not?

[ionic pelican]

^

[twin lagoon]

hackintoshes are pretty good now

[ionic pelican]

Wait what?

I may switch then

[viscid wedge]

They're both Unix like. That's pretty much it.

[twin lagoon]

aslong as you have modern hardware and an AMD GPU

[plucky sparrow]

I have a good pc and I hackintoshed it

[marble lark]

they're confusing to navigate at least for me

[meager tusk]

i haven't tried hackintoshing since 2018

are things better than then

[plucky sparrow]

Pretty much

[twin lagoon]

the two limitations to hackintoshes are AMD virtualization with the apple hypervisor & Nvidia GPUs

[viscid wedge]

If you could navigate Clover, you can deal with OpenCore

[ionic pelican]

I'm not a huge fan of macos though

[twin lagoon]

it's super easy

[viscid wedge]

It's actually easier

[twin lagoon]

good documentation, tooling that you can use on windows to create an installer usb

[meager tusk]

i have an AMD gpu and cpu

[plucky sparrow]

it's a boring process though, and it requires some maintenance

[twin lagoon]

even AMD hackintoshes are extremely easy to setup

[potent fossil]

That's very clear ivaniku seeing as this whole thing started over taking notes on an ipad

[twin lagoon]

you'd have the live with the fact that apple hypervisor does not work

so for docker you'd have to do some workarounds

[meager tusk]

I'm getting a laptop anyway so it's not like I need it lol

[viscid wedge]

you can use xhyve or whatever

[twin lagoon]

It is built on top of Hypervisor.framework in OS X 10.10 Yosemite

[viscid wedge]

idk about serious mac virtualization, I don't think anyone actually does it

[twin lagoon]

no it wouldn't work

[minor badge]

Linux is also great if you don’t care about AAA games (or any that use EAC), or simply find a Linux terminal far better than whatever WSL provides.
Having used WSL for a bit now, I can definitely say dualbooting was a better experience >.>

[twin lagoon]

because hypervisor.framework is the thing that doesn't work on AMD cpus

[twin lagoon]

idk i have the exact opposite

i wouldn't want to go back to arch linux on my desktop pc now

[ionic pelican]

what's very clear

[potent fossil]

Yea wsl has been an ...experience... But it does work well for what it is

[viscid wedge]

I didn't realize xhyve built on existing libs, assumed it was a cleanroom bhyve port, my mistake

[potent fossil]

That you're not a fan of macos or anything apple makes

[twin lagoon]

jetbrains seems to be slowly improving WSL support

[ionic pelican]

I mean don't get me wrong I would use it if it didn't lock you out from literally almost everything

[twin lagoon]

and you can get void / archlinux on WSL too

[ionic pelican]

The GUI and responsiveness is nice

[potent fossil]

They break it every other version michal

Am always on beta for that reason

[viscid wedge]

Very much so. It's usable for tons of people's needs these days.

[meager tusk]

Fuck IntelliJ WSL support

Hate it and wanna cry

[plucky sparrow]

I must say that I've stopped using macOS ever since I tried IntelliJ on windows, I can at least now play games and switch to coding without rebooting the entire pc

[potent fossil]

It usually works on beta bc they release fixes fast but the releases nah boi

[twin lagoon]

ngl last time i tried intellij wsl support was 2 weeks ago

[minor badge]

I find it doesn’t work nearly as well as I’d like it to compared to what I get on Linux natively. In general, nty for me. That being said, I’m far more heavy on the terminal than most people seem to be as I hate JB’s Git and Gradle UIs.

[viscid wedge]

However, I don't think most people who aren't already power users will do well with Linux regardless because it's a completely new environment to them

[twin lagoon]

and it had a bug where it crashed upon loading a project

[ionic pelican]

wtf is intellij

[twin lagoon]

[marble lark]

xd

[viscid wedge]

A Java IDE

[marble lark]

wait I quoted the wrong message

fuck

[meager tusk]

does anyone use IJ's git UI though?

[marble lark]

nah

[viscid wedge]

no lmao

[potent fossil]

What's a java aren't we all Minecraft PLAYERS here and SEVERE OWNERS,, programming??? Who does that NERDS that's who

[viscid wedge]

I use command line git

[wispy blade]

@plucky sparrow uses IJ git ui.

[minor badge]

Mini does iirc? A looot of people at work do, too

[meager tusk]

that's interesting

[viscid wedge]

Everything else just handicaps me

[minor badge]

I find it sucks ass so meh

[marble lark]

git is easier from command line for me

[meager tusk]

I haven't used it in years

[wispy blade]

👀 git-gui

[marble lark]

wat

[minor badge]

all guis for git just suck honestly

[potent fossil]

I haven't used IJ's git stuff, cli gets the job done much quicker for me but whatever works

[potent fossil]

I said what I said.

[plucky sparrow]

why does it bother you

i didnt even use git until a week ago

[ionic pelican]

Ohh and why not using vscode?

[minor badge]

GUIs could probably work a bit better with selective hunk commits, but that’s about the line

[twin lagoon]

vscode is good for everything that isn't java

[wispy blade]

because vscode is aimed at webdev and C(#/++)

[viscid wedge]

It's all preference

[twin lagoon]

for C you'd probably use actual visual studio wouldn't you

[ionic pelican]

I heard hey made some updates for java recently

[meager tusk]

vscode is fine for java too, I just find the directory stuff jarring and it can't compete with intellij in any way

[potent fossil]

Nah CLion

[viscid wedge]

Yes. VScode is awful for C.

[marble lark]

why not Eclipse

[wispy blade]

and vscode gradle support...

[marble lark]

C:

[ionic pelican]

Linux users can't though 😔

[viscid wedge]

Speaking from experience

[twin lagoon]

linux users who program C will use neovim it's ok

[wispy blade]

nah they use vi

[twin lagoon]

er sorry

emacs

[limber knot]

I personally use eclipse for that

[viscid wedge]

stop calling me out you shit

[minor badge]

Java is just not a language that’s got good LSPs. VSCode is… an editor indeed. Works for most stuff, I guess

[marble lark]

ayyy

[magic river]

Random late update, macOS started life as NeXTSTEP which was based on Mach and some BSD 4.3 utilities iirc. When Apple bought them they did a hybrid of Mach and FreeBSD for the kernel and updated the userland to use FreeBSD components

[meager tusk]

VSCode works wonders for web dev

[twin lagoon]

@minor badge mari epic ?

[viscid wedge]

This is correct

[wispy blade]

yeah i only use it for webdev and editing yml configs

[twin lagoon]

nothing beats intellij autocompletion/suggestions though

[potent fossil]

You work wonders for my life

[magic river]

You could technically trace FreeBSD back to 4.3 BSD back to System 5 (iirc) Unix but there was a lawsuit saying BSD is not Unix so...

[potent fossil]

[twin lagoon]

or minor features like refactoring

[marble lark]

hey what about me

C:

[potent fossil]

You work wonders for my amusement

[marble lark]

;-;

[wispy blade]

god i LOVE refactoring

[meager tusk]

Ehhhh.... what languages? It's only Java I hate on VSCode

[viscid wedge]

Is 4.3BSD System V?

[twin lagoon]

the main difference between intellij & vscode is that intellij is very good out of the box

[viscid wedge]

I thought it came before that

[ionic pelican]

Btw guys I have a problem

• I don't like windows
• Linux doesn't support the programs I need
• Hackintosh feels too limited
• FreeBSD isn't an option

[viscid wedge]

Could be wrong

[magic river]

BSD started out as a SysV with virtual memory support iirc

[meager tusk]

pure js? yeah intellij actually does pretty well at that

[viscid wedge]

Right. And TCP.

[potent fossil]

Guess you'll just die

[magic river]

Thus vmunix thus vmlinux for the kernel image

[meager tusk]

but i write typescript more often than not and vscode likes typescript

[marble lark]

the solution is clearly to not use an OS

[viscid wedge]

KolibriOS

[ionic pelican]

no i wanna use my pc lmao

[wispy blade]

LOOK MUM NO COMPUTER

[ionic pelican]

Hm? What's that?

[meager tusk]

be like me and use windows because it's the only choice you have

[viscid wedge]

I'm joking

[meager tusk]

retch long enough to get your job done

[marble lark]

nah it's ok fam you can just write stuff in assembly and put it into the boot sector

[magic river]

I think KGBLinux is (or was) an actual thing, maybe go dig that up 😛

[meager tusk]

Bro.

Don't leak.

[upbeat falcon]

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[ionic pelican]

THIS

[marble lark]

wat

[marble lark]

high five

[meager tusk]

News To Me

[wispy blade]

yes

[wispy blade]

o2jam running great on my arch machine C:

scoop gang

[magic river]

Sad times, the last release of neofetch doesn't support getting GPU and dude hasn't done a release in a while

winfetch is ugly and gets my resolution wrong (it uses the scaled version)

[ionic pelican]

this is so cursed

[potent fossil]

scoop packages

[wispy blade]

scoop <3

[magic river]

I installed scoop so I could install neofetch 😛

[foggy veldt]

scoop-ditty woop

[magic river]

Although I think it's just a powershell file so I could just grab the raw from github

[meager tusk]

jailbroken?

[foggy veldt]

Ye

[mossy vessel]

Only the true peeps know about winfetch https://i.imgur.com/AtTObsa.png

[olive marlin]

Not nice, Bro!

[meager tusk]

try running a minecraft server on it you won't

[foggy veldt]

I won’t

[meager tusk]

coward

[magic river]

eww, latest neofetch supports my GPU but loses the XP style logo for a boring flat one

[foggy veldt]

Isn’t there an ascii flag where you can change the logo

[magic river]

There we go

[tropic flame]

just use pendfetch

https://github.com/Nekurone/pendfetch

[wispy blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoE1SSCjvDI

[meager tusk]

sickkk

[potent fossil]

yay physics

[tropic flame]

indeed and it was made by a friend of mine so uuuh totally not shamelessly plugging rn

[static badge]

i mean you are using windows 11

[potent fossil]

looking at the code for that pendulum they may have overcomplicated that

but it works so gg lmao

[tropic flame]

probably, but ye the result still looks dope

[tropic flame]

i guess let me join in too

[potent fossil]

idk i didnt read it too closely, just seems like too much math for what should be relatively simple, calculate torque, angu mom., omega, then rotate with rot kinematics

looks like they went the hard way

but it's just a look

[viscid wedge]

I hate Arch

But I don't have the time to migrate distros

Uni and 30hrs a week at my job gives me negative free time