general

[meager tusk]

Wtf.

[spiral robin]

i love u

[meager tusk]

I was talking about broccolai (math tutor).

[spiral robin]

aberolai :)

[meager tusk]

Not monkey.

[waxen panther]

love u aber

[meager tusk]

aberdeener: I hate you

[spiral robin]

mods?

[toxic bone]

broccolai (math tutor)

[waxen panther]

moderators

[mental meadow]

no bullying aber

[spiral robin]

thank you aurora

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther

[spiral robin]

hello JRoy!

[waxen panther]

?

[spiral robin]

good afernoon

[waxen panther]

What do you want

[unkempt drift]

So worlds generated in minecraft 1.2 (yes, 1.2) and not converted to a later version, won’t open in 1.18. This cannot stand. Who’s gonna write the patch to add this back in?

[spiral robin]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

banned

[spiral robin]

PLEASE

[void void]

do they work in 1.17?

[brave radish]

worlds or chunks?

[native wolf]

Why bring it back in tho

You would need to make sure everything converts properly

And 1.2 is so old that something will be messed up for sure

[potent fossil]

someone on reddit: "what math do you need for CS"

some idiot who has no idea: "you dont need math for CS just use a library for math"

everyone: "you fucking dumbass"

mfw CS is literally an applied maths degree and there are still programmers who are so ill informed they think CS = programming and thus no math required

[brave radish]

should put that in #gifs-and-memes for an optimal number of :kekwhyper:s

[potent fossil]

hi

[warm anchor]

Questionable profile pic but ok

[potent fossil]

yeah.

[jade canyon]

Sorru

I'm fixing this

1 minute

[untold meadow]

jfc, love it when i don't come into #general for a few days and this is the first thing i see

[warm anchor]

Hi kezz

[jade canyon]

Fixed.

[potent fossil]

thanks

[warm anchor]

Here is a cute paper chan for you @untold meadow

[jade canyon]

[void void]

why are the ears(?) moving so fast

[untold meadow]

thank you @warm anchor very cute!!!

[potent fossil]

CAUSE SHE EXCITED

[warm anchor]

^^^

[void void]

VERY EXCITED

[wispy blade]

i have only had to use math twice while making stuff B)

[potent fossil]

alright i completed my hour shift of leading the discrete structures study group

nobody showed up once again

[potent fossil]

?

[native wolf]

you are using math without even realizing it lol

math is rooted into everything basically

[wispy blade]

sadly

[potent fossil]

the entire point of my message was programming is a mere component of CS

just bc you dont often need math directly when programming does not mean you don't need it for CS

[jade canyon]

Where can i find the Russian chat

[potent fossil]

There isn't one

[vestal jasper]

there isn't one

[wispy blade]

not here

[warm anchor]

Not on this discord

[potent fossil]

This is an English server

[vestal jasper]

"Software Developer" or similar is better for that

[jade canyon]

Oh , ok

[vestal jasper]

Like you said CS is a generalised field

Not just programming

[potent fossil]

yea for some reason a lot of people conflate computer science and software engineering as being the same thing and it's not even close

[vestal jasper]

Even then there are fields in software that require heavy math

[wispy blade]

3d graphics :)))))

[potent fossil]

CS is the science of computing, programming happens to be somewhere in there among so many other things

[vestal jasper]

Pretty much anything games requires intimate knowledge of vectors

[jade canyon]

Waterfall or velocity?

[potent fossil]

velocity

[warm anchor]

I learnt to unplug my internet cable in my CS class @wispy blade you mad??

[potent fossil]

https://iibawards-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/projects/images/000/002/333/large.png

woo CS

[wispy blade]

i learnt to click a button to start a simulation in my CS class @warm anchor you mad??

[vestal jasper]

simple I got more perspective yesterday on how the problem solving skills of a CS student differs from that of someone who has 0 experience in CS

when my boss struggled for an hour to print a PDF

[jade canyon]

Thx , i'm using waterfall

[potent fossil]

[meager tusk]

All of this from sand

[vestal jasper]

the solution was clicking on the button with the 3 dots and pressing "print"

[meager tusk]

Fucking hell

[potent fossil]

yos

[warm anchor]

I can start a simulation by chewing 5 gum

[meager tusk]

We're a weird species

[potent fossil]

we make meaning out of nothing

but im glad we do

[meager tusk]

We made talking to people halfway across the planet out of sand

That's NUTS

[vestal jasper]

is graphic design covered under that?

the image / cs

[meager tusk]

Why would graphic design have to do anything with cs

[potent fossil]

yes https://i.imgur.com/7emzam8.png

vectors and bézier curves

yay maths

[meager tusk]

yay?

[potent fossil]

yay

[meager tusk]

Someone hasn't done enough maths

[potent fossil]

i have done many math

roll it up and smoke the math

[meager tusk]

Not enough if you still yay about it

[vestal jasper]

There's certainly some overlap

[meager tusk]

Fuck math

Stupid

[potent fossil]

i was very not yay in calculus 2 but now im in linear algebra and im yay again

[meager tusk]

We should have stuck to counting and that's that

3d spheres out of numbers

Designed by the deranged

[potent fossil]

u take the x, the y, the z and u mek ball

ez

[meager tusk]

Or you take a rock and start chipping away

[potent fossil]

u just draw a shitload of circles with a loop and u mek sphere

hey fun fact dats doing numerical calculus in code

[wispy blade]

CS is basically synonymous to problem solving and you cannot change my mind

[magic river]

That is not a fun fact at all, I've been lied to

[potent fossil]

:p

that's pretty much what integrating in calculus is

just a loop

[meager tusk]

I wish whoever made calculus would make a loop

Out of rope.

[spiral robin]

Mmm yes

[potent fossil]

newton and leibniz at the same time

[meager tusk]

God, imagine that Apple didn't fall

[potent fossil]

they discovered it and published papers then accused each other of plagiarism

[meager tusk]

And instead newton had a rope and a disdain for life

.

[potent fossil]

thats not a meme

[native wolf]

Someone else might have done it then

[potent fossil]

if newton did then leibniz would've just published his

[meager tusk]

Fair point

Hope we crack time travel then

👀

[potent fossil]

newton gave us the prime notation

y' = derivative of y

and leibniz gave us his (better) notation

dy/dx = derivative of y with respect to x

[meager tusk]

I can smell the exam from a mile away

[potent fossil]

wat

[meager tusk]

I don't like math and think we would have been better off eating carrots and dying at 30

[potent fossil]

well ur stupid

[meager tusk]

Ok

You hate me

[potent fossil]

no i love u but ur stupid

[meager tusk]

Says "simple"

[potent fossil]

hey, leaf is the one who taught me limits in calc 1

[golden gust]

simple isn't stupid

he's just dense af

[wispy blade]

that would contradict simple being simple though

@ simple change username now >:C

[potent fossil]

why

[formal tusk]

Anyone hosting on Linode or digital ocean? How is it

[native wolf]

Well simple doesn't mean dumb

[potent fossil]

not a good idea for minecraft unless you're on an extreme budget

[meager tusk]

Not in simple's case

[wispy blade]

DO/Linode is meant as a deployment/testing platform

not really game servers

[native wolf]

lmao you just hate him at this point

[potent fossil]

no idriz loves me

[wispy blade]

@meager tusk hacked?

[golden gust]

hands up if you love simple

[marble lark]

*Raises hand

[potent fossil]

i'll remember this

[native wolf]

raises hand

[potent fossil]

cat will be invited to my wedding and then get dunked in the molten cheese fondue

[wispy blade]

my internet cut out

thx linux

[potent fossil]

maybe fix that

[native wolf]

yes

[void void]

sounds fun

[wispy blade]

it literally does this with every wireless network

i blame iwd

[marble lark]

given cat's poor health that probably will actually kill him

[golden gust]

probs bad module

[potent fossil]

you'd know if you'd check the logs

[potent fossil]

;)

[jade canyon]

windows is shit windows top

[wispy blade]

no

[native wolf]

Windows is pure shit

[jade canyon]

Linux best for servers and geeks, windows for home

[wispy blade]

legacy hell type of shit

[marble lark]

^^^^^^

[jade canyon]

[potent fossil]

im on windows at the moment, but it's bc stuff "just works" and I don't have time to play around with linux at the moment. mac on my laptop

[marble lark]

i find windows a little easier to navigate than mac and linux tbh

[void void]

[jade canyon]

Loooool

[potent fossil]

im also waiting on proton to get just a bit better, then it's all over

[marble lark]

it's sufficient for what I do anyway

[native wolf]

I loved Windows until 10

[marble lark]

well until this happens

Building Java module org.graalvm.nativeimage.agent.diagnostics (svm-diagnostics-agent.jar) from SVM_DIAGNOSTICS_AGENT
JvmFuncsFallbacksBuildTask svm-jvmfuncs-fallback-builder... [D:\Graal JIT Compiler\graal\substratevm\src\com.oracle.svm.native.jvm.windows\src\src_gen\17\JvmFuncsFallbacks.c does not exist]
Error executing: dumpbin /SYMBOLS "C:\Program Files\Java\jdk-17\lib\jawt.lib"
[WinError 2] The system cannot find the file specified

[native wolf]

That was the point where i permanently switched

[jade canyon]

windows are full of bugs

[wispy blade]

idk im too lazy to uninstall everything

[native wolf]

I do have Windows sitting there for some stupid games but yeah

Like some kernel anticheat level shit

[marble lark]

the best part was when I looked jawt.lib was smack dab in the middle of the directory

[marble lark]

Valorant you mean?

[void void]

was about to say the same lol

[jade canyon]

windows will be best for housewives or those who are inexperienced in technology.

[potent fossil]

tf

[native wolf]

I disagree

[potent fossil]

housewives? lol

[marble lark]

don't really like the game tbh

[golden gust]

ChromeOS master race

runs

[marble lark]

y'all are dum

fuck OSes

bare metal programming ftw

[native wolf]

I can slap Linux on my grandma's PC and it would run just fine the next 5 years or more

[golden gust]

Yea, cool, but

[native wolf]

Unlike Windows which messes itself up over time

[golden gust]

is your grandma capable of using linux?

[void void]

most distros are user friendly enough

[wispy blade]

all grandma does is browse the web!

[golden gust]

No

[native wolf]

Yes if you use a good DE

[golden gust]

"user friendly" is irrevent

[potent fossil]

i once threw ubuntu on my dad's laptop after he got a virus for the 5th time and he used it just fine, but he went out and got windows again bc he couldn't run his normal programs

so i installed windows again and he promptly got a virus

[marble lark]

I thought you're the guy that chases people when they run

[golden gust]

People care that they're able to see an icon which they recognise it and click it

checking the DE even slightly can drastically impeed that age group

[brave radish]

Kali undercover mode

[jade canyon]

Linux suitable for professionals in technology and in some cases, linux used in a server environment very widely

[golden gust]

Like, it's stupid; Could the majority of people in the world get by with linux these days? yes, ofc

[native wolf]

Most people nowadays don't even care what OS they are using, they mostly browse the web or play games. As long as it's usable they'll use it

[wispy blade]

very cool

[native wolf]

That's how i see it

[golden gust]

is that switch to a platform gonna drastically impede their productivity in terms of finding stuff that they wanna do? also, yes.

[marble lark]

^

[void void]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you guys are referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an op...

[potent fossil]

ok rms

[marble lark]

yeah we know

[wispy blade]

nva*

[native wolf]

No, Richard...

[golden gust]

RMS go floof off and eat some toe jam

[marble lark]

it's sort of impractical to list every single linux distro out there tho

[jade canyon]

In general, different operating systems are used in different environments and, for example, when working with drawings it will be better than windows

[wispy blade]

it's not just my laptop, this also happens on my phone, where the wifi just goes LOL and drops connection

[marble lark]

I get by with Windows and Git C:

[golden gust]

Naomi

you're cursed

[wispy blade]

i know

it shows in my code

[marble lark]

your code is still better than mine when I started out xd

[golden gust]

low bars and all

[marble lark]

I mean

i tried to getWorld a String

[jade canyon]

You have essentialsX?

[void void]

what part isn't working?

change the command to minecraft:give

[void void]

essx replaces the default give command

[wispy blade]

definitely didn't getOfflinePlayers and database inserts in a for loop on the main thread

[native wolf]

do update checking on the main thread every 5 minutes

[marble lark]

you're assuming I'm competent enough to use a database

[wispy blade]

learnt databases before i learnt java B)

friendly reminder i learnt java by making java 8 applets and shoving all code in a single action listener

thanks school

[native wolf]

well you gotta start somewhere

[wispy blade]

it was hell

had to use awt

[marble lark]

I learnt Java entirely from google and cobbling plugins together on Spigot through trial and error

[wispy blade]

well, fair

but i already had a little experience in js and c# (aka i knew the basics)

[native wolf]

Trial and error is the best method of learning

[wispy blade]

and then i aced the last java exam of that school year

B)

cuz wow public variable

[marble lark]

js is weird

I caught on to C# very quickly though

since I already knew Java

[native wolf]

C# is just Microsoft Java lol

[wispy blade]

it is

[marble lark]

flex on them

[wispy blade]

js is js.

i did flex

[marble lark]

talk about HotSpot in the exam

C:

[wispy blade]

nah it was just practical stuff

[native wolf]

I talked with my programming prof for half an hour about random stuff and she gave my a 5 lmao

[wispy blade]

out of?

[native wolf]

That's the highest grade

Basically A

[wispy blade]

ah

yeah i got a 10/10

cuz i managed to use for loops correctly

[brave radish]

lol nice

[native wolf]

LMAO we didn't even get to for loops yet

[wispy blade]

3 extra points if you could use a for loop correctly

[native wolf]

We are doing C++ tho not Java

[wispy blade]

3 occurences

i've written about 10 lines of C++

[marble lark]

bruh wtf why are y'alls evaluations so lenient

;-;

[wispy blade]

and i have proof

[native wolf]

I kinda love and hate C++ at the same time

[wispy blade]

oh that test had 100 points btw

[marble lark]

C++ is barely different from C besides syntax and classes

it's something you'd write a device driver in tbh

[native wolf]

Yeah it was weird at first

I never wrote a line of C before

Or C++

I'm getting comfortable with it now tho

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/TWJ4mTP.png

aaayyy

I generated an ID token with all my traits and shit

woo

I actually know how this hsit works now

[native wolf]

Hangar stuff?

[vernal moth]

yep

[native wolf]

Nice

[vernal moth]

oauth/oidc

basically the login integration

[wispy blade]

anyway, i'm gonna start a project soon that'll be big weight on me passing this year. is it a bad idea to get a password from a user, encrypt it, and when they log in just check the hashed password input against the saved hashed password?

because i feel like that's the best way to do it ^^;

[strange raven]

Damn RIP Bashurverse

[tropic flame]

isn't that how it already works in most cases?

[golden gust]

that's how password auth works in a more primative sense

these days we use techniques like salting to add more protection

[tropic flame]

i mean yeah

[golden gust]

worth noting that encrypt is also the wrong word

[wispy blade]

yeah but it's just a school project, nothing prod

[golden gust]

You wanna hash it

[tropic flame]

but it still ends up being comparing hashed input with stored hash

so yeah that's the way you should do it

[wispy blade]

alright, thanks

time to open up nvim :))))

[worn ember]

No

[jade canyon]

Nano the best

[void void]

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/posanz/discord_has_a_new_feature_that_they_never_told/

ooh

context actions

[cunning raft]

reddit strikes again as group of dumbasses

discord did tell people about it

they have public fucking docs

https://i.imgur.com/eoYkMr6.png

[novel horizon]

🤷‍♂️

nice

[warm anchor]

Do the oracle way

Which you send in a droplet of your blood to verify

[wispy blade]

no

that'd be a logistical nightmare

[warm anchor]

You see you just need to make your service essential and mission critical and the user cannot find any alternative to make it worth it

[true canyon]

No, that's digital ocean for droplets. Oracles all about wanting your ARM.

[warm anchor]

XDddd

[wispy blade]

today i will make a school project an essential service

very good idea

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor

[meager tusk]

Exactly. No Idriz loves you.

Except for this one.

❤️

[wispy blade]

aww

[wispy blade]

ok it do be time for bed

[potent fossil]

[warm anchor]

Don’t forget to wake up

[wispy blade]

i have an alarm clock

dw

[warm anchor]

@twin lagoon

[spiral robin]

Guys it is @minor badge BIRTHDAY

[quick pasture]

Happy birthday

[lament patio]

Oh hey, happy birthday

[golden gust]

@minor badge HAPPI BIRTHDAY YOU HARLOT

[meager tusk]

Happy bday

[void void]

Happy birthday!

[vernal moth]

happy cake day!

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-to-me-my-birthday-birthday-month-happy-birthday-birthday-gif-22182436

[warm anchor]

@minor badge happy birthday

[potent fossil]

WAT HAPPY BIRTHDAY BEST MARI

[vernal bone]

Happy birthday! 🎉

[unkempt drift]

Wait, someone stole my birthday…

[void void]

Happy birthday MM!

[vernal moth]

happy birthday to you too!

[viscid wedge]

@minor badge congrats on the anniversary of exiting your mother's womb

[jade canyon]

2 hours of night

Sheeesh

Sorry for ru lang

[meager tusk]

yea that happens

[jade canyon]

almost every day

Heh

I won't sleep tonight

Chat in night no active

[quick pasture]

Make it active

Be the change you wanna see!

[twin lagoon]

@meager tusk Bro.

[jade canyon]

can I go to sleep?

[spiral robin]

please

[jade canyon]

What?

[spiral robin]

yes

sleep

[potent warren]

lmao

[jade canyon]

Okay....

Thanks

Good Night all

[potent warren]

lmao

[urban elk]

is the repo down or is it me?

[twin lagoon]

does appear to be down

@peak dirge

[urban elk]

oman

[quick pasture]

#472804531751747585 message

tux aware

[vernal moth]

https://youtu.be/3pv01sSq44w

T-15min!

[vernal moth]

Liftoff!

[potent fossil]

gg

[worn ember]

@potent warren how'd you get back here

[potent warren]

I've always been here??

[worn ember]

Weren't you banned at some point?

[potent warren]

not from Paper..

[worn ember]

Oh my bad

[waxen panther]

not yet

[tropic flame]

Nick is based

hi Nick @potent warren

[proper gull]

noice the first message

thats pretty pog

[potent warren]

Hello 👋 😄

[potent warren]

bruuuuh

[proper gull]

hello

how is everyone doing?

[prime marsh]

Any recommendations for a good host in south USA? (:

[brave radish]

sigh Discord quit adding features no one wants and fix this function that's called when you hit the "x" button on the notice to download the desktop app:

function xr() {}

[strange raven]

What

[brave radish]

it's supposed to get rid of the notice; now it literally does nothing

[strange raven]

Damn

Mfs rly want you to download the app huh

[brave radish]

yeah, so it can take double the ram for half the usability 😎

[waxen panther]

ok

[magic river]

https://giftshop.stjude.org/inspiration4-zero-gravity-indicator-replica-space-puppy/214500000.html

They sold out, crazy

[void void]

hi, im not sure if this is the right place to ask but does anyone here know what text-filtering-config is supposed to do?

im trying to edit server.properties and i dont really know what it's for. i tried looking it up on google and stuff but also cant really find much details about it

[dusty crag]

papermc but replace mc with gd when.

[serene bolt]

https://walshy.dev/blog/21_03_16-mc-new-text-filtering

[waxen panther]

tf does papergd mean

[novel horizon]

no idea

hopefully not this

[vestal jasper]

👀

[waxen panther]

at puremin0rez

colon eyes colon

[vestal jasper]

I see something pertaining to mc and chat, I click

[warm anchor]

Carbon waiting room

[vestal jasper]

I added a feature last night

u can switch channels now !

[warm anchor]

[serene bolt]

I need carbon so badly

[vestal jasper]

if yall have anything you think's a priority to get implemented lmk

if I get bullied into implementing specific things I might do them

but the "carbon when" I randomly see in syscraft doesn't motivate me much lol

[solid sapphire]

👋 hi josh

[vestal jasper]

hi

Like knowing that people want specific things motivates me more than knowing that people want... "things"

[serene bolt]

• ability to send and receive messages from chat channels (with permissions)
• ability to send and receive private messages
• ability to adjust channel format based on channel / group / permission
• ability to send messages to a channel using a shortcut (like /g hi for global channel)
• supports basic things like group prefix suffix, display names, etc

honestly if it does those things it's "good enough" for my basic needs

[vestal jasper]

I can get most of that, bar private messages, done relatively quickly

[serene bolt]

I know others would like things like alerts for pings, etc but that's all fancy extras that don't really matter in the grand scheme of chat imo

[vestal jasper]

fancy extras are slated for later once it's a functional usable plugin

• ability to send messages to a channel using a shortcut (like /g hi for global channel)
  I'll do this before I go to sleep

[serene bolt]

[golden gust]

adds carbon onto the "wen" list

[vestal jasper]

that's done, now the api method impl and it's a thing @serene bolt

[strange raven]

is this intellij?

[vestal jasper]

yes

[strange raven]

how did you get it to look like that

its nice

[vestal jasper]

Material Oceanic theme

[strange raven]

thanks

also are you using redis for the message service?

[vestal jasper]

Fira Code font

I don't have that implemented yet on this branch but my plans are to support redis, and probably rabitmq

[golden gust]

Mmmmmmh, rabbit

[vestal jasper]

I think it was rabbit

idr

[strange raven]

can I have a link to the project?

[vestal jasper]

https://github.com/Hexaoxide/Carbon

[strange raven]

im trying to find out ways i can implement abstraction for messaging services on a plugin im working on

ty

[vestal jasper]

I don't recall the impl I had before but I'm going to design a new abstraction for it when I get to that

[strange raven]

like this right

[vestal jasper]

yes
I use Oceanic instead of Dark though

[vestal jasper]

oh huh

I use

ig the one you found works too

it looks the same at a quick glance

ok pure if this doesn't blow up, I think I got it

[serene bolt]

:D

[vestal jasper]

AsyncChatEvent may only be triggered synchronously.
oh ok

https://github.com/Hexaoxide/Carbon/commit/6cde90d39b37a82c9a3f27bc92b6e9ba9ffea4ab

[vestal jasper]

done

[serene bolt]

you said private messages were not supported yet, right?

[vestal jasper]

0 code for it

[serene bolt]

gotcha

[vestal jasper]

rewrite branch is ground up and barely supports anything

it has a lot of the skeleton it needs but very little attached to the skeleton

[left swift]

LOL

that picture

[minor badge]

@unkempt drift happy birthday!

[unkempt drift]

You too!

[minor badge]

birthday buds

[short yarrow]

do you folks enforce a code style in the code base you work in so class/methods don't have their own style depending on who wrote it?

i.e having final every where and @NonNull/(@)Nullable for every parameter

[vestal jasper]

Yes, a variant of what's used in Kyori/Adventure

Plus extra enforcements

[short yarrow]

I never really notice people using final until I started my job

I now just use final for class members

[vestal jasper]

final by default, OTBS, strict code style, nullability annotations

oh and it won't compile unless all of that is met

[short yarrow]

maybe i should start using it. like the code style for the code base i'm working on is all over the place because i choose not to use final and nonnull every where

[potent fossil]

i make everything final nowadays unless it doesn't need to be

[short yarrow]

i do use nullable annotation though

yeah maybe i should start doing that. i thought it was kinda excessive for every thing to be final

[potent fossil]

it is very verbose but it's good practice to minimize mutability where possible

[short yarrow]

yeah i thought it was very verbose. i do use const in javascript because it just feels normal

[potent fossil]

yup

[vestal jasper]

And then you have things like contract annotations!

[short yarrow]

contract annotations o.o?

[vestal jasper]

https://github.com/KyoriPowered/adventure/blob/master/api/src/main/java/net/kyori/adventure/text/Component.java#L156

TLDR "returns a modified copy, object is not mutated"

[potent fossil]

basically just helps the IDE know what the method does so it can more intelligently analyze your code and let you know if there is a problem way ahead of time

doesn't do anything at runtime

[minor badge]

I use default qualifier of NonNull on the package and use final wherever I can

[vestal jasper]

^^

[short yarrow]

NonNull on the pacakge o.o?

[vestal jasper]

on the package, like the package-info?

[minor badge]

these together have made me find several bugs in various code bases I’ve touched lol

yeah

[vestal jasper]

neat

[minor badge]

intellij recognises it

[vestal jasper]

I'll do that instead of each class

save some sanity while I'm at it

[minor badge]

sonarcloud too fwiw

[potent fossil]

when you do it on the package it gets applied to everything in the package

so if you have common shtuff it saves verbosity

[short yarrow]

everything like parameter and members and methods?

[potent fossil]

i would think just the class defs but not sure

mari can clarify

[minor badge]

yeah it can apply to everything

in moonshine, it’s set to apply to all but local variables

[short yarrow]

also the code base i use, uses lombok so i have to use lombok's nonnull instead of the jetbrains one

[minor badge]

keep in mind that @Nullable var is illegal, and IJ can infer that its nullable if it calls or somehow happens to get a nullable

meh, you can use any

[potent fossil]

.lombok

[minor badge]

Jb, Checkerframework, Spring, javax, etc. all usually work fine

[limber knot]

[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on

[minor badge]

lombok’s doesn’t work with Spring’s Validator though

[short yarrow]

what does nonnull actually help with? i know if you use nullable intellij will tell you if you don't have a null check or something along the lines of that

[fossil patio]

it tells you you're wrong when you try making something null

[potent fossil]

tells the IDE it's not allowed to be null so it'll show an error if it ever sees it being assigned to null

[short yarrow]

oh i see

[potent fossil]

these all just help intellij help you

[short yarrow]

i feel like that rarely happens, but it's definitely nice if you do accidentally do that

[potent fossil]

its not as rare as you might think

[vestal jasper]

happens often with me :D

[minor badge]

its deeefinitely not as rare as you think if you have juniors on the team

[short yarrow]

oh huh. guess it might be because the code base i'm working with isn't massive

[minor badge]

even in tiny projects

[potent fossil]

juniors: wow idk wat to do with this lets set it to null

field has no nonnull annotation

code breaks in prod

fire in the server room

[vestal jasper]

but it's usually an as I type thing
"oh wait this is nullable, ok cool I need to handle that"

[minor badge]

using proper nullability annotations also makes onboarding easier because the new developer doesn’t need to be explained what the quirks are

[vestal jasper]

which is super helpful imo

[short yarrow]

i'll just start using final and non null though so everything doesn't look crazy

also we have one code base that has nonnull and final in a lot of places and another code base that only uses final in class members and sometimes uses nonnull in parameters

[minor badge]

I only ever specify NonNull explicitly if its an API class I want to validate w/ Spring

super explicit API is often much better than just winging it

[short yarrow]

might be a good idea to bring up a stricter check style if we have time so everything is some what uniform

check style can check for annotations and final right?

or at least final

well

[minor badge]

mmm I suppose, but I wouldn’t use it for annotations

[short yarrow]

oh okay

[minor badge]

just specify a default to let people work like usual, all they’ll need to learn is to mark nullables

[short yarrow]

the adventure code base style seems pretty uniform so i thought there was some strict enforcement. like it would be weird if every time someone sent a code review i have to comment about the style

[minor badge]

ensure logic issues won’t happen first

also add an .editorconfig to let people ease into the style

[short yarrow]

oh that's what that is used for

does anyone know exactly what a new line at the end of file is? is it like a visible new line? or is it something hidden? in our code review system when a file doesn't have a new line at the end, it says no new line at the end of file

[minor badge]

just an empty final line

[vestal jasper]

https://github.com/Hexaoxide/Carbon/blob/rewrite/.checkstyle/checkstyle.xml if you want mine - shameless plug

[golden gust]

I mean, that's why projects setup stuff like checkstyle enforcement

I've never been a huge fan of it, but, when you're dealing with a large project with many hands, style becomes important

[short yarrow]

also i know a lot of people don't like lombok, but it works pretty well. any specific reason why? i have heard lombok can cause some weird bugs or something though, but i haven't encountered any issues. lombok is pretty common at my company and probably other large tech companies as well

[magic river]

We don't have prettier going at work but I turned on enough eslint rules it may as well be like having prettier/checkstyle

[golden gust]

Like, in paper, we use min-diff which is a cancer of a development style but saves headaches elsewhere, things like not requiring braces for if statements can become a total shitstorm if something changes down the line

People don't like stuff which does too much magic

[magic river]

prettier does weird things to complicated typescript types

[golden gust]

especially when that magic relies upon internal hacks and especially in the past used to break often, especially as they required an IDE plugin to accomidate the hacks

[minor badge]

lombok is unpredictable and shits the bed every new Java release

[short yarrow]

i'm my code base is on java 8 and will most likely migrate to java 11 soon

[golden gust]

You're also much more in control of stuff, especially in regards to ABI related aspects, and is a complete utter moronic decision to use it for API

[short yarrow]

enterprise is slow

at updating

[minor badge]

e.g. it will copy some annotations on fields to accessors, but not all, and not documented

Spring 6 is J17 btw

[short yarrow]

we use an internal framework so i don't use spring 😦

[minor badge]

ouch

[short yarrow]

i mean i think it works pretty well. teams need to be able to setup services that can talk to each other super easily and that's what the framework achieves i believe

like all i have to do to commuicate with a service from another team is

ServiceClient client = ...
client.apiCallHere(ApiRequest)

[minor badge]

Feign/Ribbon (gRPC!) could do that easily too :p

[short yarrow]

that' what the framework uses

it uses netty, grpc and some other stuff

[minor badge]

its industry standard for a reason

[short yarrow]

all that is just hidden from us

[golden gust]

Yea, but when you're creating large apps, especially things which communicate a lot, having a standard impl of all that shit makes a lot of sense, especially if you can ship it as an SDK

all they're doing there is standarising the calls and packaging it in a pretty to work with library

means that the people doing the backend stuff can give a client which even frontend devs can use!

[short yarrow]

frontend (which is usually javascript) has to call our API via a http request. we do generate clients for python and java though so it's super easy for teams who use python and java

i want to work on making libraries instead of a service. i feel like i can learn a lot about API design

since i work on internal service things are more loose

[solid sapphire]

the button on the earphones turn on and off aaportify

*sportify

*atkeast on mobile

[magic river]

groan the achievements for 500 of each building in cookie clicker are smashmouth lyrics

[magic river]

Sounds like it's a play/pause button, pretty common setup. I bet it also works to answer a call or hang it up

[solid sapphire]

i will test

by headphones i mean thse ones that used to come with phones

[magic river]

The iPhone ones I think were kind of complex

Technically they had three buttons, two were just volume up/down and the third one did different things depending on how long you held it, now many times you pressed in a row, what you were currently doing, etc

But that's all software I'm sure, if you plugged it in to a different phone it might just be a play/pause button

[solid sapphire]

themotorola ones only have one button lol

long press trigggers google assistant i see

[jade canyon]

Good morning everybody! Have a nice day.

[viscid wedge]

Oh, thank you

You as well

[solid sapphire]

👋 hello soup

[strange raven]

dude

faded af backwards is faded af

[novel horizon]

no faded af backwards is fa dedaf

[vestal jasper]

FA DEDAF

[magic river]

This is some peak /r/trees material

[strange raven]

f a d e d a f

[meager tusk]

most interesting Paper convo

[wispy blade]

@meager tusk most interesting Paper member

[meager tusk]

I stopped using lombok when it started fucking up my IDE when it encountered a @AllArgsConstructor class

Was a while ago but now I only use it if it's used in the codebase already and don't wanna be that guy

[wispy blade]

i refuse to add a hard dep that makes my code less readable

[meager tusk]

that's very objective

I find infinite getters and setters barely readable

I also find slapping final on everything barely readable

[wispy blade]

also part due to the fact i find annotations really ugly

[vernal moth]

I wouldn't know what I would do without annotations

They are such a neat feature of a language

[wispy blade]

they are, but look so out of place whenever i see them

[magic river]

I dunno, half the time I feel like I should toss them all out and go use a library/framework that just has builders or something

Instead of using annotations for metadata registration, I mean

For like ORM or DI or whatever

[vernal moth]

For builders, I find formatting very hard

[magic river]

I already tossed class-validator annotations for using something like joi

It's not actually joi but similar, you describe the data layout via a builder then it also derives a type for it for the rest of your code

[meager tusk]

Matter of opinion

I can't stand builder hierarchies

[magic river]

I don't get to put any methods on the output since I'm not instantiating a class but if your DTOs need methods something is wrong anyway

There is still hidden magic happening to make the type for it but that feels less magic than something doing data validation for me based on annotations

[minor badge]

We rather often use helpers on DTOs for stuff because of stupid API designs 😅

[magic river]

This way my validator is just a variable I call methods on like const output = myEntity.validate(input); and the types don't exist at runtime anyway since this is TypeScript

[minor badge]

Oh right. Java 17 is my new system default, and now none of the work projects compile :D Thanks, Lombok!

[magic river]

So having the type be some compiler magic that doesn't exist anywhere doesn't feel that weird

[meager tusk]

TypeScript >:(

It needs built in type validation

[solid sapphire]

michaerl, kash cat name is kashicate ofc

[strange raven]

guys how do I make my intellij look cool

[potent fossil]

werent you asking that like...3 hours ago, or less

[strange raven]

ive been using default with darcula for 3 years

yeah I installed the material theme plugin but it looks so like

[potent fossil]

get a theme plugin, switch theme, set font, get nyan cat progress bar or whatever

[strange raven]

bad

[potent fossil]

just search theme in the plugins and try different ones

[novel horizon]

they already shared some pics with some themes 🤷‍♂️

[potent fossil]

there are quite a few

[novel horizon]

i guess thats not cool enough

[magic river]

All the themes I've seen for it suck

[novel horizon]

didnt knew you get intellij to look cool gotta install it too

[magic river]

Just use darcula

[novel horizon]

wait

i am cool

👀

jk i am not

[solid sapphire]

imagine not having ultimate

[wispy blade]

best font DFPKanTeiRyu XB

[novel horizon]

i dont even use it

[solid sapphire]

wait

[wispy blade]

tfw the bus suddenly deviates from its regular route

[solid sapphire]

😎

[wispy blade]

:monkaW:

[solid sapphire]

i never use pycharm

why is it installed

[magic river]

Dropped Android Studio because I don't want to do Android development and my boss can't make me 😛

If your Python project is large enough to need an IDE you've already failed

[meager tusk]

Is there really a reason to write native code for either mobile OS anymore

[magic river]

PHP can eat a dick

[solid sapphire]

no

php good

[solid sapphire]

i dont use it tho

[meager tusk]

Like I can see some niche usecases where you need native code but

[magic river]

You probably still want Android Studio if you're using react-native

If for no other reason than to manage your SDKs and emulators

[solid sapphire]

insytalled it once, used it 4 times, then laziness

[meager tusk]

Yeah i guess

[wispy blade]

installed it to play android games on school laptop

[meager tusk]

Can't you juse use BlueStacks or something lol

[solid sapphire]

no

[wispy blade]

school laptop locked down af bro!

[novel horizon]

ew

[meager tusk]

Ew yourself

[magic river]

Why use something weird when Android Studio sets you up with the most optimized runtime environment they can

[novel horizon]

ew me

[meager tusk]

BlueStacks lives in my memories as the bulky, shitty android emulator that never works properly

[wispy blade]

yeah

[novel horizon]

that's why i was ewing

but i guess

well

gotta go rather

[magic river]

Like, they'll handle installing any extra stuff you might need (iirc on Windows it installs some Intel virtualization driver that qemu can then use)

[meager tusk]

Just because something is shit doesn't mean ew :(

I miss those days

[novel horizon]

okay sorry then

😦

[magic river]

Of course it would be better if you just didn't use Windows, then qemu could use kvm like it's meant to 😛

[wispy blade]

iirc bluestacks wouldn't run with my fx-6300

[magic river]

That intel driver wouldn't run with it either 😄

[wispy blade]

true

[novel horizon]

[meager tusk]

Doesn't Windows 11 have like built in Android app support

Wonder how well that will work for mobile games 👀

[solid sapphire]

bad

[minor badge]

lol

they dropped it again i believe

[magic river]

They claim it'll come in 2022

There really isn't much in Windows 11 to make it worth upgrading

Except they apparently decided DirectStorage was going to be Windows 11 only after all

Really learning the lesson of DirectX 12 there

[worn crest]

I mean I upgrade when it releases on 5th October because a few percent more performance and it's newer

[wispy blade]

changes default .zip to 7zip from windows builtin
freezes

[chrome cosmos]

did you say performance improvement for sucking 2 more gb ram

[wispy blade]

?

that statement makes no sense

[jade canyon]

why does the graphical paper console interface look so ugly?

[ashen cliff]

Because it's never meant to be seen.

[marble lark]

Paper's team are programmers too not graphical designers xd

so long as it (visually) works it's good

[ashen cliff]

Discord added me to the Server Identity beta... that is NItro exclusive...

[jade canyon]

this

[marble lark]

why tf does IntelliJ love to break builds overnight that were working fine before

[ashen cliff]

I see that AuthMe log.

[jade canyon]

[wispy blade]

would rewrite the gui but who cares

honestly

[vernal moth]

Ask Mojang?

Also, there is nothing really wrong with it?

[golden gust]

it was made like, 10 years ago? by a guy who, erm... block game...

[void void]

Doesnt even have dark mode, smh my head

[golden gust]

It's not really designed to be something super pretty or functional, and nobody really cares about it, so it's not really been looked after

[vernal moth]

It's a simple swing GUI

It does what it needs to

[wispy blade]

@void void sounds like my first paper pr then

"add dark mode to gui"

[void void]

go for it

[wispy blade]

no

too busy with shogicraft!

and school

[marble lark]

y'all having IntelliJ issues after updating to Java 17?

[next frost]

updating what to Java 17?

[marble lark]

mine promptly committed seppuku

jdk 17 sorry

[next frost]

still not sure what you want to do

IntelliJ has its own runtime

[marble lark]

it worked fine yesterday for 1 of my projects

came back today and

java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class org.jetbrains.kotlin.com.intellij.pom.java.LanguageLevel

[potent fossil]

god. YT's suggestions atm are complete and utter garbage

[marble lark]

ello

[wispy blade]

just find random 1980s albums ez

[oblique moat]

Ya it suggested a playlist about eh adult content in my fucking music section

[cosmic raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orJSJGHjBLI

[oblique moat]

Not like adult music

[potent fossil]

not looking for music

looking for something to watch

[oblique moat]

like stuff youd find on the hub

[potent fossil]

and ive listened to bad habits 4749285492482945285492578295623854921 times

[cosmic raft]

watch the music video for bad habits by ed sheeran on youtube today

[potent fossil]

ive seen it

[oblique moat]

Watch every single video in the world

in 1 hour

[wispy blade]

no

[potent fossil]

[marble lark]

watch legends never die

lmao

[wispy blade]

no

[oblique moat]

Watch a video about how all humans will did eventually

[wispy blade]

sounds like kurzgesagt

or the infographics show

[potent fossil]

either we'll kill ourselves or the sun will

done

[oblique moat]

Used To watch him

[wispy blade]

i will instead watch svelte in 100 seconds

[oblique moat]

never heard nor seen this person

[wispy blade]

fireship 👌

[cosmic raft]

watch something on netflix @potent fossil

[potent fossil]

am not that committed

ill prob just slep

[cosmic raft]

ozark!

[wispy blade]

gn simple

[oblique moat]

Gn simple

[wispy blade]

@cosmic raft do you like jungle/1990s dnb?

[cosmic raft]

no clue

[wispy blade]

epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSr8sjIq6qQ

enjoy

[solid sapphire]

please dont spell my name like this to whomever knows me

[wispy blade]

ok murali

[solid sapphire]

🙏
atleast you got it correct.

[viral hornet]

@twin lagoon

[twin lagoon]

🥺

[viral hornet]

Guess what I bought today

[twin lagoon]

pics

[viral hornet]

When I eat it

[twin lagoon]

god feed me camm

[viral hornet]

Hahaha

[twin lagoon]

feed both me and knenwald

[quasi valley]

yes please

and while you're at it, fix the Velocity maven repo

[solid sapphire]

[viral hornet]

i gotchu

[marble lark]

lmaoo

[solid sapphire]

whytho

[twin lagoon]

@untold meadow BEST kezz

[untold meadow]

@twin lagoon

no u

[twin lagoon]

[chrome cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQY_m3wCBCE
how the hell did mrbeast play with a 2000 players?

i m shocked

[twin lagoon]

by using multiple servers

and synchronizing those servers since all you'd need is players & blocks to be synchronized

[novel horizon]

For the purpose of a laggy video it's okay

[twin lagoon]

the block breaking made it laggy apparently

[novel horizon]

But I don't see 2k players, well, maybe they're too far or so, idk

Hundreds - yeah, but 2k? idk

[twin lagoon]

how do you want to see 2000 players in one video shot

at once

spread across an earth map

[novel horizon]

You don't, that's why it's a title

It seems like it's 1k vs 1k

but it's spread out to multiple different shots completely 🤷‍♂️

[worn ember]

Just install fastasycblockbreak

[chrome cosmos]

i can see a lottt of players

[novel horizon]

ok ty

[chrome cosmos]

purpur or tuinty or airplans?

[twin lagoon]

yatopia bro

[novel horizon]

yatopia ofc

wtf

[chrome cosmos]

No

[worn ember]

Lmao

[novel horizon]

how do you not know that

[chrome cosmos]

just how i m confused

[novel horizon]

maybe even sugarcane

https://sugarcanemc.org

🙂

[chrome cosmos]

did he use world ql as there are no mobs?

[novel horizon]

but you gotta wait for that

[twin lagoon]

no one uses worldql

worldql is irrelevant

[chrome cosmos]

uhh i am just confused

[twin lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbJYXcTolUk

[worn ember]

I was just gonna ask who made it haha

🥚

[chrome cosmos]

ohh

[worn ember]

So thats why he got demoted /s

[chrome cosmos]

ohh lel

and it is closed source

[solid sapphire]

TF

i am lisenting t ospotify

and i got an ad

and that guys name was murali

healp me

[vernal moth]

That's the old video

Egg has a new one

[mental meadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyuzjNDMHYY

[vernal moth]

WorldQL is a fun discord server to troll it

That's kinda about it

[quasi valley]

It's also fun to look at their Spigot plugin

you need 🍿 tho

[vernal moth]

I first assumed it was the old version and the new version is better

But it's the new version 😂

[twin lagoon]

the mrbeast 1000 player plugin is only half good

the parts knenwald wrote are bad

[quasi valley]

There's some nice spaghetti in there, but jfc mammoth steps that up on multiple levels

[vernal moth]

WorldQL makes me wish I didn't archive my project

But hangar first

[cunning raft]

Hangar is real

[foggy veldt]

🛩🏠

[meager tusk]

What's WorldQL

[ashen cliff]

I assume they mean this: https://www.worldql.com/posts/2021-08-worldql-scalable-minecraft/

[vernal moth]

Ye

[meager tusk]

ah, i had an idea to do something like it a few years back

but like 90% of my personal projects i stopped working on it after 20 minutes cause "it's too much effort"

code from their github doesn't look so clean tho

[quasi valley]

Not just unclean, but also extremely poorly optimized

or even wrong

[untold meadow]

i love that their roadmap has them implementing a "mostly feature complete" vanilla minecraft experience (including redsont/technical stuff, mobs, worlds, etc) by early november

[wide chasm]

I don't see the issue, just do

import redstone;
import technical.stuff;
import mobs;
import worlds;

And you're done \s

[untold meadow]

their current server completely crashes when you place a single block

but sure, redstone done in a month

[void void]

Lmao, oof

[meager tusk]

I tend to not make assumptions about how code performs just because of stylistic choice, I worked at a bank for a few months and the code while horrid got shit done and it got it done well

But I guess in Minecraft related projects it's more clear cut

[quasi valley]

That wasn't an assumption, that was me reading the code and knowing it's bad 😛

[meager tusk]

Yeah it looked jank when i looked at it

[solid sapphire]

healp me

[ashen cliff]

No help.

[meager tusk]

Username checks out

[solid sapphire]

ikr

tf now

oops

[weak raptor]

is there any plugin to check what client a player with?

[solid sapphire]

useless

the client can be lke "ok hey just vanilla"

[weak raptor]

pffft ok

[chrome quest]

A plugin could do it if it hacked the client and revealed all their secrets.

[mental meadow]

The theory is that you can use https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/1.17/org/bukkit/entity/Player.html#getClientBrandName() and it will say vanilla or forge or something else, but that just tells you what the client itself says. No one is stopping the client from saying "vanilla" even when it isn't

[marble lark]

so far only forge and world downloader actually send mod information packets to the server from what I remember

but with forge a mod could very easily intercept and block the packets from being sent anyway

[short yarrow]

worldsql doesn't actually work :O. it seemed like a pretty cool concept

what's unclean about the code (just for my knowledge so i can avoid it)? it looks like any old plugin. i do notice static being used a lot, but i don't see anything else crazy i guess?

[vernal moth]

The plugin is only a client, the juicy stuff is in worldql, a database, which ain't open source

[plucky sparrow]

See this is why I hate you

We did not need to see such cursed pictures

[wispy blade]

why

it's not even that cursed

even has a drive bay

[untold copper]

its cursed because it has a drive bay

[solid siren]

Is there a way to prevent running out of memory

I have 14gb and i keep running out of memory

Is there a way besides restart every 6hours

[vernal moth]

Take a heap dump and analyze your memory leak

[solid siren]

Uhm how is that

Im using a shared hosting

[ashen cliff]

I assume /paper heap still exist?

[vernal moth]

Copy paste your server to your PC and reproduce the leak I guess

[ashen cliff]

It does. Very nice.

[wheat quarry]

plz fix bridge bot :(

[jade canyon]

penis music

zxc

dota2

[waxen panther]

bridge bot down? LETS GOO

[mossy vessel]

Not a loss

[solid sapphire]

you actually have a discord

[wheat quarry]

doesn't change the fact that the client and lots of other stuff about it sucks

[solid sapphire]

i like irc but to lazy to register with nickserv

[wheat quarry]

On a completely different note: Has anyone ever looked into how Overwolf hooks into different games? Do they just read memory locations or something like that?

[simple wagon]

Do anyone has experience with a cloud provider, providing managed k8s, and having support to bring your own nodes as well?

[magic river]

If you're operating at that level you shouldn't need to ask us for help 😛

[full rune]

i would guess that they display a semi-transparent window on top of the game

[magic river]

Like, that's a question you should only have if you have enough money to hire the people who do that shit for a living

[twin lagoon]

no cloud provider will allow you to bring your own nodes

use a service mesh or cilium's clustermesh

managed kubernetes in general is a pain/disappointment if you're not using GCP / AWS / Azure

[wheat quarry]

that's not the point. The question is how they read stuff like kills and round info from the game.

I mean I know that LoL exposes an API for that to third party tools but that's really the only major game that I can find docs for

[void void]

Probably certain memory addresses or maybe ocr?

[mental meadow]

I know a lot of games do that, or at least in some form

Like some games have integrations for random tools from different hardware vendors to make RGB work

[wheat quarry]

hm, I guess some game devs just don't publish that stuff in a findable way :S because I really doubt Overwolf wants to risk getting people banned lol

[full rune]

yeah, for example my steelseries mouse changes the RGB lighting based on my status in CS:GO

[wheat quarry]

ok, apparently Overwolf is definitly doing some reverse engineering to get to some info: http://www.giovanni-rocca.com/cracking-the-uncrackables-reverse-engineering-supercell-part-7/ lol

[void void]

👀

[wheat quarry]

That has been on testing for a while now, kinda annoying that they would lok that behind nitro lol

[sand shuttle]

It's discord, they like making bad decisions

[void void]

Can't find a way to change my per server pfp though

[waxen panther]

wow phoenix is annoyed at something discord have done, the sky is still blue!

its not actually enabled

[mental meadow]

They like making money

[waxen panther]

man, a public business that wants profit ?????

fr crazy

[sand shuttle]

they also like not listening to groups of people 😄

[void void]

Ah, okay

[twin lagoon]

people: add more features to nitro so it's worth paying for
discord: adds nitro features
people: It's discord, they like making bad decisions

[warm anchor]

I mean they did lower boost to 2 7 14

So their goal is to get more people signing up for it

[twin lagoon]

they're lowering boosts, they are adding a good amount of nitro features now

we also haven't seen annoying banner or popup ads or anything

i'd say they're making good decisions

[warm anchor]

discord.gg/Michael

When??

anime server fundin discord no joke

Seem so many with over 500 boost