maybe you meant minecraft-exclusive?
#general
tropic flame
gusty egret
Oh didn’t read, me coocoo
vestal jasper
or do you genuinely think plains and fields don't exist irl 
tropic flame
or do you genuinely think plains and fields don't exist irl <:pepela:79895080089...
i thought they meant biomes that were not related to minecraft
which plains and fields are perfectly
gusty egret
Only 6:30pm here, I’m still fresh after 15 cups of coffee
vestal jasper
it was ambiguous
gusty egret
Every time I read AHHH it brings me back to my WOW days… Auction House Honest Haul was spammed a lot back then
vestal jasper
I went off of you "adding" the 3 already, and the 3 existing in and outside of mc
cunning raft
!ban 798876568440406046 amongus
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned username65735#5013 (amongus) [1 total infraction] -- Joshie#0001.
gusty egret
not your fault, a lot of people didn't, I'm ANCIENT
yeah, I'm saying I'm ancient because in the early days of WoW, there were not many games EVERYONE played....
vestal jasper
poe lit
gusty egret
<-- born in the 70s = ancient
tropic flame
runescape, damn
i remember growing my way to richness by selling wood
vestal jasper
I played TBC when it came out
I was a kid tho and barely remember shit
I like poe it's just too big brain for me
gusty egret
stayed away from MMORPGs since then, too much of a timesink lol
vestal jasper
the endgame has some brain
gusty egret
lol, you mean almost every MMORPGs?
vestal jasper
item crafting gets super expensive and requires good knowledge of that skill
gusty egret
item crafting gets super expensive and requires good knowledge of that skill
again, every MMORPG
vestal jasper
the game's currencies are what you use to craft items
"Craft" as in adjust and change item stats / lines
On an item you can change the number of sockets, color of sockets, how many are linked together, and which are linked together
gusty egret
anything is better than Lineage... again I'm probably dating myself
vestal jasper
You can add/remove entire modifiers / lines to the item
You can store the state of an item and roll it back to that state, though afaik that costs one of the rarest currencies
mirror, rarest currency by far, can clone an item
rerolling the stats the item's modifiers have as well
which is all simple on the surface but doing it all in a way that actually makes sense, and works for any builds is another story
gusty egret
POE2 is rumored to be next year, I think
vestal jasper
also poe leagues are cool, they'll add a feature to the game for a few months exclusive to new servers
then move the characters and items to the main servers after
fun testing grounds for new stuff, and eco reset in a way
vestal jasper
hot
potent fossil
but i only got the instant noodles bc it was a great deal
i was looking at them and they were like 59 cents per cup of noodles and im like nice
then i look down and i see a box of 6 of them and it's 3.19 and im like 🤔
so i did .59*6 and it's 3.54 and i almost screamed "what a scam" in the middle of the store
so i bought the 3.19 pack of six and saved .35
sir it's not about health it's about can i, a broke as fuck college student, afford it
this is something i will need to research
so u tellin me i can save another 23 cents
true canyon
Is there a plugin like Plan that tracks in game stuff? Like, blocks broken/placed, kills (by mob type), etc?
true canyon
I was looking through documentation and found nothing indicating it does anything more than tracking number of player kills.
potent fossil
Hmm, odd. I don't have a suggestion, sorry, but that's good to know for myself for the future
true canyon
The impression I had from folks chatting about it was it logs all sorts of stuff, so this was surprising to me when I finally got around to looking at it.
potent fossil
Bye
ancient bolt
Is there a plugin like Plan that tracks in game stuff? Like, blocks broken/place...
I had a plugin that did exactly this called statcraft years ago
had big plans to build it out into this cool platform for tracking stats that other plugins could provide their own stats and it would all render out into a webpage etc
but after a while I just let it go, never finished it
merry talon
Couldn't you just rig something up to whatever grief prevention plugin you use
Query the DB
ancient bolt
original https://github.com/DenWav/StatCraft then the rewrite that would support stats from other plugins that I mentioned, and was also supposed to support sponge, but never got all that close to finishing https://github.com/DenWav/StatCraftGradle
vestal jasper
You can also rig something up to export to prometheus
merry talon
@static badge wtf
static badge
furry
ancient bolt
regardless of what it is you're needing to rig up, you have to listen to a whole lot of events
ancient bolt
the original statcraft plugin was actually very complete in the number of stats it listened to, the code just wasn't any good
still is a project I want to come back and revisit some day, maybe
serene bolt
minecraft statistics themselves store a lot of that type of information, not everything, but you could extract from what it has as well
ancient bolt
the biggest issue is with statcraft I tracked everything by the world the player was in too, so minecraft stats don't give you that info
serene bolt
ah yeah right you'd only have global
ancient bolt
not that tracking by world is a hard requirement it's just a feature that I thought would be really cool for the plugin
wide willow
@@wraith trail thank you
magic river
So I was scrolled up a bit when I came back but I have to say this anyway: simple drinks Steel Reserves?
Like, when you're scraping the bottom of the barrel you can still tell yourself "at least it's not Steel Reserve"
Who drinks that on purpose? 😛
The alternative is SSH and screen/tmux
You'd need something to hook in to that panel or a plugin then, I guess
novel horizon
Is using rcon bad for you? Or just looking for alternatives
magic river
rcon is bad unless you're on some kind of tunnel or private network
And even then defense in depth says you should use something with encryption
magic river
A lot of servers are dumb or don't use it over the internet 😛
novel horizon
There's lots of security things around mc server
how the password could be cracked
magic river
Someone cracking the password is a concern no matter what you use
The downside to rcon is someone in your network path can just look at your password
Or inject commands
novel horizon
I don't find that very scary when you use good passwords, sure they can get the passwords, but by cracking it or brute force, probably not
Yeah, but still, that implies you have another security breach too
Of course it is true that sending those things in plain text sucks, I just think it is not that horrible
magic river
Or someone did some DNS cache poisoning on your laptop wifi and you logged in to the wrong IP
vestal jasper
“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.”
but the inverse ig
“Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.”
magic river
SSH and TLS would catch that, some kind of pre-shared key encryption would at least stop them from being able to read the traffic
Is this something likely to happen to you? No. Would you be willing to sign in to your paypal account via HTTP or put in your credit card details on my HTTP form just because it's unlikely someone will be able to snoop on your details?
novel horizon
Like sure it is unsafe, but so is a lot of things, I can't imagine how they could connect to my rcon even in my dumb setup lol
I'll still use it now, unless it is widely problematic by some horrible thing, it is okay to use as it is, not safe, no, but still
you can make few things to make it safer
magic river
rcon is the part of MC no one cares about
For the longest time it didn't even actually work
I wouldn't be surprised if there are exploits in there and it definitely doesn't have some kind of rate limiting
novel horizon
Anything can have exploits, idk, unless someone makes it public lol
but still what else to use? few other plugins? depending on your situation
magic river
ssh + screen/tmux
novel horizon
Yeah but that's for those who can properly use it
magic river
For real, no one at Mojang gives a shit about rcon
Minecraft only has it because a GSP wrote the patch and was a big player in the market in 2011
novel horizon
If you are not that good with it, using anything like that with bad setup can still be a security breach
magic river
For I think a few years it just straight up ran the commands on the rcon thread
novel horizon
magic river
There is a bunch of stuff like https://github.com/phybros/servertap
Or at least there used to be
Otherwise for your specific use case you could probably get away with DiscordSRV
novel horizon
from discord nickname? they need to change nicknames though, a lot of people use some nicknames that aren't really mc friendly
or are using completely different one
magic river
No, but DiscordSRV can give you a private channel that is your server console and your other bot can type the whitelist command in to there 😛
REST API would probably be way safer but that's a nice lazy way if you're going to use DiscordSRV anyway
novel horizon
Yeah, I used it before, but I ditched DiscordSRV for EssX Dis ^^ I have console in browser, but it was nice kinda
warm anchor
you can have admin channel with ESSX discord too 
untold copper
merry talon
huh feels like longer than that
ashen cliff
Make sure to get MX Blue. So you don't annoy your parents.
warm anchor
ashen cliff
MX Green for cheap when?
warm anchor
MX blue is the BEST!
warm anchor
I just need that annoying loud click
vestal jasper
some day I'll make myself a 75% with silent reds
vestal jasper
yeah that's why I said some day
ashen cliff
Currently using MX Browns on my laptop. But I used to have a MX Green, tho it got thrown away with me. 
vestal jasper
Nah if I'm shelling out that much for a keyboard I'm building it myself
warm anchor
that's 2 dinner
vestal jasper
another project that I always want to do but will never have the motivation to save for
vestal jasper
hell yeah
novel horizon
I have mx red I think 🤔 but I wasn't looking for specifically those, was just okay good
vestal jasper
corsair speeds, they're pretty ok but not great
also kinda a bitch to get used to, the pressure of my hand / fingers gently resting against the keyboard is enough to trigger key presses
warm anchor
No but you ruins my day but telling me that 
minor badge
No, that is an exclusively you thing
warm anchor
xDD
minor badge
day ruined yet? 
warm anchor
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viscid wedge
No, that is an exclusively you thing
wispy blade
And it ruins your entire day
yes, basically any pop song that's popular at the moment
wispy blade
tf lmao
viscid wedge
Well I guess like that
But I was exploring some underground black metal and came across probably the singular most depressing piece of media I've ever encountered.
ashen cliff
And it ruins your entire day
Anything that mentions 🇮🇱.
wispy blade
bruh lmao
ashen cliff
Just ruined my whole day by writing that.
viscid wedge
viscid wedge
Don't ever listen to any Beatles live album then
wispy blade
my taste is too far gone to listen to beatles
viscid wedge
No but you ruins my day but telling me that <:poutrie:784411967107891230>
My most sincere apologies
limpid comet
I CAN 
NOW
warm anchor
So my day would’ve been ruined regardless
viscid wedge
lol
warm anchor
wispy blade
if you want me to i'll point out every mistake you make while writing
peak ginkgo
Don't we all
peak ginkgo
I hate programming I'm just not good at anything else
wispy blade
yeah
unreal quarry
I hate programming I'm just not good at anything else
should try wood sculpting
runs away
viscid wedge
Whittling?
wispy blade
and programming is the only thing i don't completely suck at
unreal quarry
Whittling?
bigger
viscid wedge
Carving
peak ginkgo
I did Photography for a while, but now going outside has a high chance of death
unreal quarry
hazmat suit
warm anchor
It’s ok dejay. Just watch some anime. Weeb don’t get covid
wispy blade
i'd go play badminton on saturdays but it's summer vacation currently so
vestal jasper
no they play goodminton
warm anchor
wispy blade
yes i play badminton
warm anchor
We should play sometimes 
wispy blade
used to play football (soccer) but my team disbanded due to not enough players to go to the next age group 😔
unreal quarry
when i was a kid my dad bought us kids a badminton set. we didnt know how to play so we just beat the crap out of each other with the rackets
warm anchor
Wait they had badminton in the 1950s?
unreal quarry
mhm
warm anchor
Wow!
wispy blade
they even had t*nnis in the 1950s
warm anchor
Not a very common sport in US that’s for sure
wispy blade
mmmm no
warm anchor
I bet Billy remember the old search engine
unreal quarry
i remember a time before computers existed
warm anchor
Billy used to use his landline and call a number and the nice lady on the other side will answe his question
unreal quarry
you mean the operator?
warm anchor
Yes
daring laurel
what does the vanilla client do if a transaction is rejected?
warm anchor
It felt sad
viscid wedge
same
untold copper
i remember a time before computers existed
that must have been... interesting
i remember a time before coronavirus
it was... so happening
lmao
unreal quarry
that must have been... interesting
it really was. we had to beat the crap out of each other with badminton rackets just for entertainment
wispy blade
tbh that is fun
warm anchor
Let’s take naomis phone and pc away now
nova plume
yes
olive marlin
You can develop on a piece of paper.
wispy blade
i can
nova plume
and a pen
nova plume
take paracetamol
untold copper
it really was. we had to beat the crap out of each other with badminton rackets ...
lmao
vernal moth
Imagine if all stories would be told like this
Uuhm
Player unknow's battle grounds: Battle grounds?
What they smoking? 😂
wispy blade
playerunknown's battle royale was better
void void
Player unknow's battle grounds: Battle grounds?
wait what
This is on ATM Machine level
Automated Telling Machine Machine
unreal quarry
rip in peace
unreal quarry
MSDS Sheets
ashen cliff
Don't worry, they notify your parents.
void void
surprised you're not in jail yet
ashen cliff
I assume they would kick your ass for that.
vestal jasper
Billy runs away Galbreath (minecraft modder) threatens to kill people
untold meadow
unreal quarry
just wait until you have your own kids. you'll understand
ashen cliff
Protect at all cost.
vernal moth
guys please stop me
I read too many academic papers this morning and now I want to write a distributed dynamic-region minecraft server
limpid comet
do it
vernal moth
lol too late I cracked it open already
mfw billy knows me too well
even worse
its kotlin
red timber
wow kotlin hater
vestal jasper
kotlin
ashen cliff
Can you make it work? Yes.
Can you make it work without issues? No.
red timber
probably better off hacking this on top of minestrom or something
iirc it didn't have any vanilla logic ootb?
so sounds fair deal
don't have to waste time on getting vanilla stuff to play nice
vernal moth
I will first look into the framework and then add the mc protocol
and then maybe add vanilla
but no need cause I most likely will not care about vanilla logic
vernal moth
I worked on hangar this week, ree
vestal jasper
but last I checked they put weird stuff in the skeleton
his profile does say he works on 103 things
ashen cliff
Just 103 things.
vestal jasper
specifically 103 things
void void
Every time he starts a new project an old one gets deprecated
vernal moth
nah
wispy blade
void void
Seems to be done locally though
minor badge
na, this is definitely not done locally
one of the first paragraphs says it's only for material uploaded to iCloud
additionally, they pull the images to show to employees if they have enough matches, which wouldn't really be largely viable if the images were on the device itself instead of on their servers
vernal moth
ok, most important work done: debug view 😂
https://i.imgur.com/flMq0oU.png
mossy vessel
Didn't know mini reads BILD
void void
Does it implement the protocol from scratch or does it use something like minestom?
olive marlin
No protocol yet. Mini said first need to do the base framework.
olive marlin
I will first look into the framework and then add the mc protocol
^^
void void
Cool
vernal moth
it would be all from scratch, yeah
but first am trying to see if the proposed architecture from this paper works like I want it to
worn ember
link to paper?
mossy vessel
wispy blade
wrong link nmf
mossy vessel
Np, always here to help!
worn ember
olive marlin
Naomi moment
vestal jasper
to be fair you have to have a high IQ to understand MC server architecture
wispy blade
nah
worn ember
depends how deep you go ig
vestal jasper
I was trying to quote something but nvm
vernal moth
It's not publicly available
But you know, there's a site you can put any doi link in and get a pdf
Not that I would encourage using it cause that would be deprive the poor publishers of their hard earned money, while the writers get nothing
wide chasm
How will the publishers ever survive
ashen cliff
Is there a reason Hava Nagila started playing in my mind instantly when I read that?
vernal moth
I actually "know" somebody from the community that works for elviser
They didn't understand my argument my education and knowledge, especially if gov funded, should be freely accessible
His mind was already corrupted
Poor individual
limber knotBOT
I mean, technically it's the scientist's fault for making contracts with publishers in the first place
but often they are forced to by their university afaik
EVE Online should maybe read that paper lmao
they still haven't managed to properly split their 1000 player regions into smaller sections
worn ember
But you know, there's a site you can put any doi link in and get a pdf
mind sending me a dm about it 🙂 my dm's dont have policies
vernal moth
_proceeds to send the copyright mafia after phoenix _
limber knotBOT
they haven't managed to find me in the last 15 years so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
limber knotBOT
"mated" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
it's insane how small it looks on teh right and then you see the people on the left...
btw. does anyone know it if it's possible to use google pay on shops that only support credit cards directly?
vernal moth
I haven't encountered a shop where google pay didn't work with my cc connected
limber knotBOT
well they only have a credit card number input... xD
vernal moth
Oh no NFC?
limber knotBOT
how would NFC help me with a website?
vernal moth
Where did you ever say website?
limber knotBOT
oh, right, I only said "shop" lol, for me that's synonymous with "online shop" when used in German xD
olive marlin
For me I thought it was online shop, and "they only have a credit card number input" confirmed that.
limber knotBOT
well Google Pay seems to generate virtual credit card numbers instead of using the real one hence my thought of being able to use that manually somehow
ah, apparently you can read them with another phone via an NFC app lol
but they don't have a CCV so that wouldn't work anyways :(
ashen cliff
Dead chat.
ashen cliff
Dead chat. <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
red timber
unsurprising
worn ember
unsurprising
wtf is that pfp
warm anchor
It’s a peepo with a milk carton
ashen cliff
I'm new to Discord, say hi!
safe mason
how do I extend the oracle cloud always free vm's storage without getting charged? I tried cloning the boot volume which I increased to 200GBs and creating a new instance with it but that boot volume lost the Always Free badge and started charging me, do I make a 150GB Block Volume next to the existing 50GB Boot Volume so it continues to be Always Free ?
ashen cliff
When you create the instance, specify that the boot volume should be 200GB.
safe mason
ooh look at that I overlooked that part, thank you
ashen cliff
Yeah, it's hidden down there.
ashen cliff
Should be.
mental meadow
!kick @unreal quarry Don't talk about or threaten to kill people/"beat people to death" no matter the context
how about you just don't threaten to kill anyone in here?
mental meadow
it's not funny but beliveable for cat lol
minor badge
speak for yourself, you should hear how he giggles every time he says it :>
golden gust
wa
mental meadow
Cat is probably really cute and shy irl
ashen cliff
So back to old.
wispy blade
phat cat
golden gust
shut your whore mouth krusic
mental meadow
an absolute unit
quasi valley
but are you thicc
golden gust
Well
My ass was fatter than my besties and she wasn't too happy with that
I was kinda funny as her figure was like, weird
Like, she was fat, but it was all like, above her waist pretty much
and, there was a store nearby in which the self checkout was across from the stairs
waxen panther
You're 14
golden gust
Used to wind her up and say that anybody coming down the stairs would be all like, "daaamn, look at those legs.. nice thiiighs... and where the butt... AND WTF"
left swift
Hewwo bwocowai
minor badge
sitting around a lot and eating a fair bit
waxen panther
you said 14 yesterday
minor badge
Having an office job doesn’t help
golden gust
I mean, all of the like, stuff which we used to do to get excercise we can't do anymore
left swift
Jroy more like jloser
golden gust
and then shit takes longer in general because we're all fed up of this BS, and over here you'd be fined for going to the park with a cup of coffee so everybody sorta like, just started camping indoors because "two weeks to slow the spread", and, yea
wide chasm
The trick is to not exercise before the lockdown started, that way nothing changes taps head
waxen panther
No, but you come off as a 14 year old 🙂
left swift
Cat isnt american
waxen panther
@minor badge 
@minor badge @minor badge @minor badge
cunning raft
@waxen panther 
golden gust
waxen panther
<@!264203519806930944> <a:VeryPog:815390691232055306>
cunning raft
broc make a verypog sticker
golden gust
oh, they canceled it, but, still a showcase for why people fucking hate the police here
waxen panther
who is it in the verypog emote
cunning raft
google it
golden gust
To think
Sir Tim created the internet to be a vast highway of knowledge and education
and here we are, spreading gifs of a man eating a packet of chips
ashen cliff
YES!
wide chasm
That's very educational
ashen cliff
He do be eating tho.
limpid flax
wide chasm
How else would I know how to eat chips?
limpid flax
sauce
ashen cliff
warm anchor
._. wtf is going on here
ashen cliff
Cat venting in electrical.
minor badge
eternity!
golden gust
somebody put a computer in a nursery is what am guessing
warm anchor
good morning Mari 
cunning raft
discord supports multiple words per message
minor badge
?kick @limpid flax Memes go in the memes channel
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Kicked P_nky#1106 (Memes go in the memes channel) [1 total infraction] -- Proximyst#6900.
golden gust
(I mean, ideally, those go nowhere)
cunning raft
ok thanks
void void
^ don't forget rule nine
cunning raft
golden gust
I'm guessing daycay closed early somewhere
cunning raft
yeah
minor badge
petition to ban Noah 
cunning raft
early friday release
golden gust
#HalfDayFridays
warm anchor
Childcare DLC now available at PaperMC 
cunning raft
hello children please download and install EssentialsXDiscord on all your servers
warm anchor
JRoy what would you do if your child installs DiscordSRV
cunning raft
JRoy what would you do if your child installs DiscordSRV
shunned
no dinner for them
warm anchor
golden gust
worn ember
cat is daddy
ashen cliff
Because Cat is still stuck on 1.0.
golden gust
Just wait until I get the PC upgrade
ashen cliff
Not looking forward to that one.
golden gust
Apparently it takes the "I'd better not post this because people will be upset" into "REEEE"
runs
ashen cliff
That's the one.
wide chasm
He'd love to
golden gust
no
wide chasm
See
cunning raft
don't play hard to get cat
golden gust
warm anchor
cat loves us
worn ember
poop game
golden gust
waxen panther
warm anchor
I can think of a dozen better place to find people to play CSGO with other than a Discord designed for Minecraft devs
mental meadow
I'm down for CSGO if you get a full lobby and everyone is at least Gold 2
waxen panther
looking for new apex teammate must be top 500 (smoking) hot and a millionaire
formal turret
might be able to make friends doing squads in apex if you're good
warm anchor
in my experience, people posting on LFG are the same people woh doesnt want to play with random people ._.;
toxic bone
hello
formal turret
looking for group
I could totally see that being the case with destiny 2 LFG raid groups lol
merry talon
cs in 2021 is a meme
it's like if you took valorant and removed half the game and then made the other half worse
merry talon
I'd say it's probably the most egregious example of a game being shit until you play with friends
cunning raft
so its addicting by nature
merry talon
then it's great
formal turret
I couldn't even get into it with friends
cunning raft
well i meant some of the gunning mechanics are garbo
formal turret
I don't like the guns lol, I feel like the guns in csgo are better
cunning raft
but its still addicting to play
golden gust
incoooming
fossil patio
I'd say it's probably the most egregious example of a game being shit until you ...
oh so it's another game by riot, nice
merry talon
I don't like the guns lol, I feel like the guns in csgo are better
extremely weird take
that shits satisfying
worn ember
valorant is the new meta
lol that game is literally so badly designed tho
formal turret
eh D2 has the best guns of any game ¯_(ツ)_/¯
waxen panther
eh D2 has the best guns of any game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
D1*
waxen panther
The only cool guns in D2 are the ones they copied from D1
formal turret
well I didn't play D1 since it was console only
worn ember
Rook to D2
plucky sparrow
valorant is the new meta
valorant more like paladins & csgo mashup
worn ember
valorant more like trash ant
formal turret
but I meant more just the way the guns feel in D2 is pretty nice, not so much specific 'cool guns'
worn ember
how tf you have 4.5k hours in a sandbox
fossil patio
i think the best feeling guns are in my minecraft clone of mass effect 1
waxen panther
All the D2 sounds are so mushy compared to d1 too
merry talon
rp servers
worn ember
vernal moth
urg why do distributed systems suck so much
golden gust
I mean, I just liked some of the resource/space shit
vernal moth
I can't even get the basics to work, lmao
golden gust
if they where easy everybody would be making them 😄
twin lagoon
vernal moth
if you got a one server per part of world system, and you have x routers in front which players connect to and then forward to the right server, how does the router know which server to forward a joining player too, like, it doesn't know the position of the player, nor which region the player is in
like, once the connection has been established I can do stuff
waxen panther
Mike
vernal moth
but no clue how to get the initial connection going
might have to load it from persistence
golden gust
I mean, if you want global state you'd need to store that info somewhere that your router can look for it
vernal moth
or mmh, if we got a backend server as a lobby, which is empty
and the lobby is a region server, without a real region, but can has access to state
I like that
golden gust
This type of thing imho if you wanted to do properly you'd basically need to do it from a blank slate
lobby server is a massive cop out but i guess, so is not writing it from scratch ;P
vernal moth
mmh? this isnt minecraft right now
golden gust
oh
vernal moth
it might be minecraft at one point
but am just trying to play with the architecture, maybe ill implement minecraft ontop later
golden gust
I mean, I think that there is a massive design complexity here
I think that ideally your edge nodes are scalable and deal with client state for itself
then you have "shards" which deal with the world itself
Urgh
I have so many design ideas for this shit it's annoying
vernal moth
I wanna avoid state on the edge nodes
worn ember
i see cat wants to get into it 🙂 he looks very happy
golden gust
I've been thinking of this crap for years and decided that I never wanna go down that route
vernal moth
well, ill go down that route
and if it works, dyescape expressed interest to adopt it, lol
worn ember
*if you ever finish it
golden gust
I mean, edge edge, no, but, ideally router > clientState -> {world,etc}
Like, that's been my general layout that I've sorta got designed in my head
vernal moth
I mean, all state the edge node needs is last logout location, and the map of regions obviously
so I guess its fine
golden gust
Issue is the state management is complex, because state needs to be thrown all around the place and there is no super great setup for it
Well, client state is more concerned with the current connection state and dealing with state changes induced from the client which can't really be dealt with elsewhere clearly
frank otter
cat where do I start reading to figure out what you're tryna do
vernal moth
well, gameplay state would be owned by one region server, basically locked. but neighbors will subscribe to events and see state changes, but never store it, only forward it
golden gust
theres lots of questions I still have around the design in my head of handing data storage with low latency without basically tryna store it evveeerywhere
void void
I read too many academic papers this morning and now I want to write a distribut...
^ @frank otter
golden gust
Yeeeeaaaa, I was tryna go for a more shardy/seperated design for the world state
vernal moth
thats the beauty of events, you can construct state from the events
frank otter
oh god that's a long time ago
golden gust
I mean, what I'm talking about is basic micro-arch design used for any scalable web platform
frank otter
This might be useless, but a distributed database called cassandra is written in Java and uses a concept called gossiping for distribution
golden gust
the issue here is that games introduce often much more loosely defined state
vernal moth
I don't wanna deal with replication like that, thats extremly complex, slow and error prone onetesseract, its not suitable for real time systems
golden gust
What's "fun" to remember is that most widely distributed games often deal with minimal changes
frank otter
OK that makes sense
golden gust
e.g. you don't see a voxel world system in something like Eve because it's just not cleanly viable
biggest issue is tryna find the correct state mangement/seperation design
frank otter
eve is...
vernal moth
yeah, I would for starting, see the world as a static terrain
golden gust
That's basically the biggest complexity and kicker in all of this, especially when you consider most games, they're often split into well defined logical regions for stuff like this
e.g. how often do you find an mmo where "enemies" quite simply can't leave the battle arena, etc
vernal moth
yeah, but I think I can handle transparent region borders
this paper proposes a nice solution
frank otter
would it make any sense to, regardless of area size, have sections of the gameplay area replicated over two servers where the context they're hosting neighbours another servers hosting
like duplicated margins to allow for smoother/less stuttery area transitions?
or am I waffling
golden gust
much of this is highly complicted and limits game design or is limited by game design
vernal moth
kinda, basically, once you are near the border, as in, your area of interest overlaps into another region, you get subscribed to the events of that area
golden gust
THere is a reason why much of this stuff is still theoretical and why most environments which have implemented these papers are often limited in some form of way
ladies
Women
Proxi
I just wanted to call proxi out for being non-human
true canyon
proxi
shrewd portal
if you got a one server per part of world system, and you have x routers in fron...
idk the context BUT
you could try something with consistent hashing
warm anchor
vernal moth
I wanna say its an exclusive server
golden gust
if that's what I think it is, please point out that pennies are the best type of coin in there
vernal moth
but kashike in in there 😄
golden gust
you wouldn't get the joke
red timber
wtf is that pfp
pepe
red timber
no shit what he holdin tho
white monster
jaunty bay
no shit what he holdin tho
Salt?
potent warren
no shit what he holdin tho
The sponsor for today's episode!
jaunty bay
And what does the monster do? 🤔
worn ember
be white
jaunty bay
ic
nimble depot
https://i.imgur.com/AbhsahY.png
Horny hell?
hot hamlet
Anyone know of a independant mail / offline messaging plugin. Im trying to find a way to get people to actually read discord announceemnts. One way is a, You have unread mail, type thing. A bit like essentials has bundled in but i cant use essentials
warm anchor
well you just excludes the only real options 
Essentialsx has both mail and broadcast
stone drift
I wanna start learning computer programming. I already know a bit of Java. Do you guys think Java is a good language to learn or do you recommend something else?
hot hamlet
I have broadcast lul. Why would i get essentials when every other function of it is replaced xd
warm anchor
I wanna start learning computer programming. I already know a bit of Java. Do yo...
I'd say majority of the dev here does JAVA so I'd say they will say JAVA is not bad 
hot hamlet
Time to leArN jAvA and make my own xd
stone drift
awesome ty
magic river
A lot of schools use Java for teaching these things
At some point you should learn how things actually work with hardware and such but starting at a higher level like Java lets you learn the more general purpose stuff before you have to care about such details
On the other hand I've heard good things about https://www.nand2tetris.org/ for starting from scratch and learning logic by building a computer (virtually) block by block
Some day I'll take the time to actually work through all of that one myself, maybe it'll help fill in the gaps on my ability to work with binary and such
fossil patio
A lot of schools use Java for teaching these things
after learning go i'm actually convinced it's a way better language to start beginners on
wide chasm
I feel like it depends on how low-level you eventually want to go. If you eventually want to go to C/Assembly, then you probably don't want to start too high. But if Java is as low as it's going to get, you could also start with a high level language like Python.
hot hamlet
Paul uwu
magic river
Of the three languages mentioned (Java, Go, Python) it's amusing that Python is the highest level one but also the one that's easiest to transition from to C
potent fossil
friendly reminder to go log into OPC and click around if you have one of them free computes
happy friday
brave radish
how do I get rdiff-backup to exclude all jar files? I tried rdiff-backup -v5 --exclude *.jar . ~/Documents/bak/serverName/rdiff_backup but that gives me
Fatal Error: Fatal Error: The file specification
'b'paperclip.jar''
cannot match any files in the base directory
'b'.''
``` which am too small brain to understandyeah that gives the same error
potent fossil
Huge thonker
wait have you tried quoting it
--exclude '**jar'
(idk at this point just guessing really)
brave radish
why does that work but not a backslash
potent fossil
that would just be stupid shell expansion
well, its not stupid when it works the way i want it but its stupid when it doesnt
brave radish
anyway thanks, now time to go delete that backup right after taking it 🏃♂️
I've been meaning to set this up for a while but was too lazy so been using tar.gzs instead; then I checked today and saw I only had 17G of storage left
potent fossil
😬
Is rdiff_backup similar to rsnapshot?
I know rsnapshot goes in reverse direction tho (run it on backup target server, and it ssh's into the prod server to make the backup)
looks like this one starts on prod and makes connection to target
brave radish
well I'm not using it for remote backups anyway (currently) so idk
potent fossil
oh ok
brave radish
I read about the differences for a while until I found a Reddit post by Aikar saying that rdiff-backup was better for incremental backups of Minecraft worlds so I just trusted him
potent fossil
Oh, wonder why
brave radish
that and his gist https://gist.github.com/aikar/5998b0eb1c6eba84a0bf that shows he clearly uses it and again this is Aikar so I just copied what he did lol
potent fossil
yea i gotcha i was just interested as to why its better than rsnapshot
golden gust
I mean, I've been an rsnapshot person as it has all of the pretty configs for it, etc
brave radish
doesn't rsnapshot store a new copy of a file if it changed since the last backup?
I thought it only benefited storage wise when files don't change
potent fossil
Mm, yea looks like rdiff-backup just stores compressed deltas when a file changes, so for an MC world that changes a lot I can see the benefit i suppose. Though, that also kinda vendor-locks your backup into rdiff-backup only. Sounds like you'd need rdiff-backup specifically to restore your backup, whereas I believe just plain rsync could restore an rsnapshot backup
Not sure, tho
But w/e
golden gust
oh, wait, rdiff doesn't use rsync but is "like" it
potent fossil
I swear to god, I open facebook and the first thing I see is people fighting on an airplane over masks. Tab closed
golden gust
rsnapshot basically does a hardlink'd copy of the last backup and then resyncs over from the source
brave radish
now I just need to decide what to do with these 29G of tar.gz backups I don't want to delete
potent fossil
lul
golden gust
download them and store them somewhere or something
best option, really, outside of tryna figure out a way to import them into the new backup system
brave radish
I could write a shell script to decompress each one (starting with the oldest), throw the date of the backup into a txt file, and call rdiff-backup on the extracted version
or.... I could just delete half of these backups cuz I'm never gonna use them
golden gust
I mean, probs what I do
Keep some backups around for the sake of having them while the new mechanism takes over and yeet them at some point down the line
brave radish
ofc stupid snap is one of the biggest things on my computer
ashen cliff
Very epic.
potent fossil
glacier is cheap storage but if you need to restore isn't it kind of a bitch? as in waiting 24+ (maybe close to 48-72) hours? and if you need it fast then you get to pay a premium?
i mean it makes sense, they gotta pull it off tapes and shit but still
golden gust
Yea, I mean, it's pros and cons and people often steam towards stuff like glacier because it's cheap and "they'll never need it"
Issue is is what happens when you do need it?
potent fossil
you pull out ya mufuggin wallet
and even then you're waiting like 8-12 hours
which is pretty standard for enterprise
twin lagoon
a
potent fossil
yes hi michael
golden gust
waxen panther
@twin lagoon :koriuwu:
potent fossil
3 cents per gig if you want it expedited
i guess its not that bad, just depends how much you're backing up and restoring
vernal moth
Backblaze <3
twin lagoon
backblaze is the first service i encountered that does not have us east servers
the first time i have issues finding a service that isn't available in a good US location
vernal moth
Not an issue it CloudFlare has a location in like everyvodies basement
twin lagoon
but then they also have amsterdam servers which is a good thing
formal turret
you put mayo on your candy?
cosmic raft
Yea Mini :D
golden gust
harebo?
vernal moth
No, he buys German mayo cause america sucks
golden gust
(That's literally how one of my comp sci profs pronounced haribo)
vernal moth
Ha Ri Bo
Hans Riegel Bonn
formal turret
harebo as in hair boll?
golden gust
He also had a really strong facination with submarines in his examples...
cosmic raft
though
golden gust
We used to joke that he was probs subsexual
vernal moth
Altho Haribo isn't actually produced in Bonn anymore
formal turret
I didn't know haribo made anything except the gummy bears lol
vernal moth
Fled my state to get a giant tax cut next state, literally 5km from the border
cosmic raft
lmao Thonk
vernal moth
I actually hate the cola flavor, especially in ma'am kash, lmao
Only in the big bottles I will eat cola flavor
I had Mario last week
golden gust
I mean, I liked their cola flavour
vernal moth
Haribo with the fluff is actually best Haribo
twin lagoon
the haribo pinballs are dank
golden gust
oh god, I practically always took pinballs into lectures and shit
vernal moth
We literally have a Haribo museum here, with a store where you can buy everything
twin lagoon
yes
worn ember
ah yes crushed bones into candy, good stuf
twin lagoon
cherry pinballs 
cosmic raft
what is with the cursed emojis today
vernal moth
ah yes crushed bones into candy, good stuf
Plenty flavors have no gelatin
worn ember
i mean, idc, if it tastes good i'll eat it
vernal moth
They have a whole line
wide chasm
I used to like their candy, but I don't really eat candy anymore
golden gust
Yea, I mean, I don't generally get candy these days but once in a while
cosmic raft
more for me
wide chasm
Unless you consider chocolate bars candy, but I don't
cosmic raft
I do
fast scarab
We literally have a Haribo museum here, with a store where you can buy everythin...
where is that harbio museum o.O
cosmic raft
according to google, Friesdorfer Str. 125
golden gust
itt: We turn minis appartment into home base for our museum raid
cosmic raft
53175 Bonn
worn ember
you can literally put all the candy on display for centuries cuz it doesnt decay anyway 
golden gust
God, it'll be like my ancestors
fast scarab
welp, time to get to bonn
vernal moth
I eat candy exactly once a week, at my parents
Sundays are like the worst day health wise
twin lagoon
formal turret
🙃 now i can read it
golden gust
See, I was never a huge fan of kinder eggs
worn ember
bruh you gotta rotate it 180°
fast scarab
We had a classmate try that 😂
cosmic raft
rotate your face dark
worn ember
wtf do you want me to become kneny???
cosmic raft
yes
vernal moth
Big lunch, plenty meat, ice cream as dessert, with advocaat, ouzo as digestif, then break, for the in between Choco or candy or whatever they have, then later tea and cake or something
I then spend the whole week doing sports to get rid of it again 😂
worn ember
wide chasm
I do approve of the Kinder chocolate
worn ember
stll love how they're banned in murica cuz murican kids would eat the surprises in them
formal turret
I don't think they are
wide chasm
I'm guessing you mean the toys, because you're meant to eat chocolate
vernal moth
That's kinder Überraschung, Kinder eggs or whatever
formal turret
well maybe the ones with the toys
left swift
Americans only eat plastic if its micro plastics
wide chasm
lol
formal turret
yum
worn ember
i wonder if we'll ever evolve to be able to break down micro plastics in our stomach
fast scarab
Question tho, which überraschungsei is better, the one with chocolate and the yellow plastic capsule in the middle or the one that is split in half with the toy on one side and the cream chocolate filling on the other
worn ember
"its fine bro, leave the packaging on, it'll just digest"'
formal turret
you'll go to the store and get the probiotics that have the plastic eating bacteria
and then you can start your own colony
wide chasm
I've only ever had the first kind of egg
fast scarab
😱
worn ember
i used to think bunnies layed chocolate eggs cuz of easter
waxen panther
worn ember
idk who that even is
golden gust
because broc keeps posting it
formal turret
it's shroud
worn ember
who?
golden gust
I mean, at least for in here
waxen panther
It’s shroud eating a thing
worn ember
ok
formal turret
🤮
fast scarab
worn ember
beans
golden gust
worn ember
are those things on the side supposed to be his nostrils or what
golden gust
Well, I mean, that would be the "i has some IQ" deduction
cunning raft
worn ember
golden gust
searches cow on google just because I question why the noses width was so exaggerated
Meanwhile in the UK: https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/06/herd-of-cows-went-on-stampede-up-busy-kent-a-road-15049058/
wide chasm
amoosed
worn ember
my neighbors have 2 pet cows
they have long brown fur and are basically giant dogs at this point lol
(my neighbors are farmers fyi)
potent fossil
P sure I got the scholarship I was talking bout the other day if anyone cares
That's pre much gonna help me pay for my 2 years of uni
so 
wide chasm
Congrats
potent fossil
yea i wish
worn ember
what were the req for the scholarship simp?
potent fossil
the award for this is like 7-9K usd and that will still leave me with some debt but not unmanageable
wide chasm
You know, if the government here wasn't dumb I wouldn't have to pay for my uni, but now my study costs ~5k euros.
worn ember
wait
wide chasm
kash
wide chasm
gj ded
worn ember
i havent even touched beer in like 3 weeks and i'm still drunk
heady spear
Hello PaperMC
jade knot
Anyone have theories on how the Aether Engine would affect Paper once Minecraft implements it? 1,000+ or 10,000+ player support sounds like it would need a big re-write. Looking at the Hadean website, it looks like Mojang is still working with them on it. Just have not heard any news since last year.
ashen cliff
Anyone have theories on how the Aether Engine would affect Paper once Minecraft ...
The client can't handle that many players on Java.
potent fossil
needed 3.1gpa at least (which i worked over a year to get it up to that to be qualified) then had to have financial need, which apparently I was in the top 5 of financial need out of all regional applicants (not sure if i should be happy or cry about that)
wide chasm
If it got you the scholarship, I'd be happy
heady spear
@mental meadow uwu
potent fossil
well, i'm "pretty sure" i got it but not confirmed. I've been invited to the orientation for it in 4 days and I was asked to take the strengths quiz to identify personal strengths ($20 quiz, they must have bought it for me already as I just took it and didnt pay shit)...so, i think I got it. But no formal acceptance letter
jade knot
No, it is a new way of handling players on servers
potent fossil
werent they thinking of making aether an actual new dimension or did i dream that
worn ember
lets hope its just a fever dream
rotund nebula
Iemand een videokaart te koop?
potent fossil
engels! 
worn ember
5euro
void void
unfortunately not
worn ember
engels! <a:Woooooooo:649951728976003105>
sorry only nederlands here
heady spear
🍆
worn crest
melk!
worn ember
kaas
potent fossil
nee neuken de nederlandse taal! engels of filippino alsjeblieft heer!
Met dankt voor uw medewerking! @worn ember
cunning raft
@waxen panther
potent panther
it's just math
limber knotBOT
Still Bit offtopic, isn't it?
potent panther
yes
limber knotBOT
Who cares anyways though?
void void
nee neuken de nederlandse taal! engels of filippino alsjeblieft heer!
Met dankt...
ah yes
perfect dutch
worn ember
nee neuken de nederlandse taal! engels of filippino alsjeblieft heer!
Met dankt...
"neuken" pretty much means having sex with xD we dont use it as a direct insult 
at least not in the sense of "fuck this"
i like my language, but not hat much
limber knotBOT
Where did they get that Word from?
worn ember
google translate i'd imagine
limber knotBOT
No, I mean the language
worn ember
what kinda question is that even
limber knotBOT
I do not know a Word like that in French or German, so I'm interested
golden gust
I mean, it gets annoying when people post such "funny content" in here all the time
warm anchor
I just saw the nginx version
Isn’t #gifs-and-memes reopened 
I will be honest with you I’ve never step foot there so idk
wispy blade
wee i got volume and brightness binds working
dwm makes it a bit annoying but not terrible
frank otter
wait was it tricky for you to keybind volume
left swift
<a:amogus_dance:820174282037657620>
wispy blade
bbruh
had to go digging to find what the fuck the volume/brightness up and down button name was
frank otter
Isn't it just like
XF86VolumeUp
arch wiki has it somewhere
found it
on the xbindkeys page
where did the spacing go
frank otter
see xbindkeys has this cool thing
wispy blade
and then i had to add a header file 
frank otter
and then i had to add a header file <:kekw:674093681963302933>
that's why I don't use dwm for keybinding
frank otter
Ah fair enough I have a few more keybinds
mmm actually you have a point
my xinitrc is probably cluttered to heck
frank otter
not on pc rn but if I remember correctly here's some of the stuff I have running: flameshot dameon possibly pulse/pipewire xbindkeys sometimes replay-sorcery feh and sometimes wpgtk
wispy blade
oh lol i just have dwm run all that xd
frank otter
do you're just hiding the bloat
*so
I could get dwm to run all that
but I can't be asked to figure out how
wispy blade
it's some autoexec extension i added
frank otter
eh xinitrc works fine
my biggest dissapointment of today was that if I removed the assert "need a CUDA gpu" line in pytorch it still breaka
wispy blade
LMAO what
potent fossil
"neuken" pretty much means having sex with xD we dont use it as a direct insult ...
i dont speak trash langs that was google translate's work
worn ember
wtf plz ban this guy for being racist
left swift
Simple always being so racist smh
void void
😳
potent fossil
I'm just lingually inclined to prefer better language groups like Austronesian. Dutch is like a hobbled together sack of stones taking a bit from German and other surrounding areas, and on that vein English is pretty trash too
Then let me be very clear: no.
left swift
Trolls last so long in the discord now it crazy
blazing mantle
Anyways in good news, I have figured out how to run the PaperMC server on a Raspberry Pi 4 8 GB model with the a 64 bit OS of the Raspberry Pi OS , not like Ubuntu, which others have done online. Because the PaperMC server needs java 16, witch that needs a 64 bit OS to work. There is only one downside that I have with this. Why is it so much ram decay, my server is running out of ram a lot faster, with just plain vanilla survival, I did not have this problem before. Probably because this new version is out,but any other reasons why?
left swift
Tf is ram decay
blazing mantle
as in im running out of ram really fast
potent fossil
I'm assuming it has a lot of ram usage, which is normal for the newer MC and JVM versions
left swift
Assign the server less ram then
blazing mantle
i did
potent fossil
What are your startup flags