That's the entire question
#general
formal turret
oh it is? lmao
formal turret
give a joke answer then
the viscosity of the anchovy paste throws your toss off or whatever
cause it has been sitting in a corner of the case for a week left out in the sun
nova plume
we still havent got a proper answer from our physics teacher when we asked him what's friction 2 years ago
left swift
Viscosity of the anchovy paste lmfao
potent fossil
friction is a force opposing motion, what else you want the prof to tell you
nova plume
friction is a force opposing motion, what else you want the prof to tell you
he said "imagine a car, moving at a speed of 40m/s..." i cant remember everything he said
ashen cliff
What in the heck is going on with this crazy suitcase?
I have determined that the owner of the suitcase was from Balkan. The Balkan spy stole the secret recipe of the cheese from a German factory. Sadly the cheese caused some internal movements and the spy had to take a toilet break.
nova plume
not helpful
potent fossil
cause it has been sitting in a corner of the case for a week left out in the sun
honestly he'd probably give points for that
formal turret
sounds like an interesting professor
potent fossil
imagine le car weighting 1200kg moving at speed of 40m/s to the right, the road has a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.69696969, wat is le friction???
normal force do be equalizing gravity doe, so N = mg = 1200kg * 9.8m/s^2
kinetic friction do be f = u_kN, so f = 0.69696969(1200kg * 9.8m/s^2) = 8196 newtons approximately
does that help more than ur prof
i hate myself
potent fossil
insert pepela
nova plume
and today, our teacher asked who was your teacher last year
everyone said his name
the teacher died laughing
cos we were all clueless abt what she was talking about
potent fossil
That is very sadge.
nova plume
plus covid didnt help
left swift
That is totally not poggers, I am really sadge in this club currently.
potent fossil
Cringe
left swift
mental meadow
@vernal moth feeertig
tired heath
Can somebody recommend a good plugin to lock buttons, levers, chests to a given player. There are a lot but most look kinda outdated, otherwise I will code my own. ty
mental meadow
yea LWC X
tired heath
thanks
A yes, a creator you can trust, like it
Na okay, jokes aside, really thank you
magic river
Twitter
coarse lily
Chrome?!
magic river
Not sure if it does better sandboxing on Windows or what
I think it does better than Firefox at least, not sure if Firefox has per-domain sandboxing yet
I know it does for privacy but not sure about for processes
upper flicker
They are continuing to isolate lots of components, but tabs are not per-process yet
you can force it on nightly if you want, it used to be a little buggy but I havent tried
olive marlin
I hate readable documentation. Thanks CloudFlare!
magic river
Also, even though Windows is the Dom0 so has too much access still, having a hypervisor between your browser in Windows and all of your work in Linux can only help
modest path
Randomsurvey: is Mars ugly?
potent fossil
no
worn ember
no u
untold meadow
yes
upper flicker
mars > printers
modest path
You’re right I am pretty ugly
untold meadow
-
printers
modest path
mars > printers
shh
upper flicker
mars looks like a nice place to live specifically because there are no printers there
vernal moth
Woo wls can run Linux gui apps
upper flicker
when man inevitably does bring the scourge of printers to mars, we will have to move to the next planet
potent fossil
you didnt know that?
vernal moth
The year of the Linux desktop is finally here
worn ember
how do you run gui apps in a command prompt?
vernal moth
Wsl isn't a command prompt
potent fossil
install an x server on windows, tell WSL to use it
worn ember
omega poggies
vernal moth
Or from a shortcut
golden gust
exact same as running any program from the command prompt in windows
ancient bolt
I assume if they support gui apps then they also support laughing them from the start menu or w/e
potent fossil
mini do you mean there is an x server integrated now?? or, the old way of installing VcXsrv and telling WSL to use it
upper flicker
they have a list of shortcuts that show up in the start menu as you use it
but they werent clear on how that was populated
guess we'll see
its in insider preview starting today
potent fossil
ooweee
upper flicker
no explicit roll out but likely the fall release
potent fossil
i mean I've been running IJ and shit inside of WSL for quite a while now, with a slightly hacky approach
upper flicker
think its too late to make the spring one
ancient bolt
I'm split on the whole thing, it seems nice but I kind of have my gnome setup the way I like it and it kinda looks like macos which I like, so what I really want is macOS
potent fossil
recently stopped as IJ supported WSL officially now
ancient bolt
but I guess windows is fine if I wanted to just use that
systemd is a bit weird in WSL but it's workable for the most part
the arch WSL distro works well too
Yeah at the end of the day I don't want either I guess
not dual booting sounds really nice though, might be what sets me over the edge
worn ember
I use arch wsl btw
upper flicker
golden gust
reactOS wsl wen?!
golden gust
potent fossil
I'm sold.
upper flicker
magic river
Windows does not have an X server, no
potent fossil
I was asking how they are implementing it now, as before I had to install an X server lol
upper flicker
theyre leveraging all their RDP and remote apps tech on the windows side
magic river
It has an RDP client and they spin up a second WSL instance alongside yours that has wayland outputting to RDP, pulseaudio outputting to RDP, and xwayland
potent fossil
gotcha
upper flicker
and a weston compositor on the a second standardized wsl distro
potent fossil
time to uninstall the vcxsrv clunker then
magic river
Is it weston? They just said wayland on their graphics
upper flicker
its weston
its forked weston but they want to upstream it all into weston proper
apparently weston already had very basic RDP output whatever
magic river
But yeah, it's finally the year of Linux on the Desktop and you'll finally having working audio 😛
upper flicker
so its not even a huge issue of ideas
their goal is for all the linux side stuff to go upstream
replace pulse audio with pipewire when?
magic river
They use socket activation or something, when you try to fire up a GUI or audio app they detect it and start the second distro that has the servers
Fedora already replaced pulseaudio with pipewire
upper flicker
I literally had pulse audio take a shit just the other night listening to spotify
only on the 34 beta
magic river
34 isn't out yet?
upper flicker
as a user of fedora 33 I can vouch that release still uses pulseaudio
see above spotify comment
not yet no
target date of April 27th it looks like?https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-34/f-34-key-tasks.html
astral crag
Really interesting read: https://signal.org/blog/cellebrite-vulnerabilities/
Basically, a vurnurability found in Signal was being exploited by Cellebrite, a "digital inteligence" company who's products are being used within certain countries to opress their populations. A signal developer got their hands on one, and found out it was a horribly insecure mess.
By a truly unbelievable coincidence, I was recently out for a walk when I saw a small package fall off a truck ahead of me. As I got closer, the dull enterprise typeface slowly came into focus: Cellebrite.
magic river
ha, yeah
ancient bolt
can you imagine working for (or owning) a company whose entire product is to sell to governments to allow them to oppress people
magic river
So their stuff is just a backup software (that requires the phone be unlocked and/or unencrypted) and a tool to analyze the backup?
wraith trail
astral crag
can you imagine working for (or owning) a company whose entire product is to sel...
No no, you're "fighting terrorism".
Originally, I think it was used to transfer data between two phones. Like transfer contacts from your Nokia to a Razr.
quasi shore
hey
astral crag
wtf
astral crag
why is this a thing-
limber knotBOT
its SICK
waxen panther
oskar have you submitting ur thing yet
limber knotBOT
nope
left swift
Broccolai 
astral crag
oooh, is it an IRC webhook?
limber knotBOT
yeah
waxen panther
nomana 
astral crag
I thought someone put a random webhook in lmao
limber knotBOT
tbh the reason im on IRC is sad
minor badge
no? discord is in their full right to terminate your account, per their ToS to which you agreed
golden gust
discord has to save their own skin
limber knotBOT
At least you can communicate with paper
golden gust
if you're using their platform in a way that they feel breaks the law, i.e. you appear to be underage to use their platform in whatever country you're from, they legally have to boot you or they get into shit
mossy vessel
paper has to save their own skin by enforcing discord's ToS out to irc 
limber knotBOT
There aren't many communities that let you so in a reliable manner, almost everything is in a walled garden in discord
waxen panther
as it should be
limber knotBOT
You can see it however you like
minor badge
if you're using their platform in a way that they feel breaks the law, i.e. you ...
(plus the TOS literally says they can terminate you for any reason)
cunning raft
Most sane free services will have that
potent fossil
these kids: make stupid jokes about breaking ToS
discord: disables account pending age verification
these kids: wtf this is abuse, the reason i am on irc is sad
limber knotBOT
Does esper have that?
potent fossil
🤡
magic river
Technically I think if you register your nick on IRC you're supposed to be 13+
Because they're collecting your email and such
potent fossil
He is
The problem is they both joke (or joked, now) all the time about being 12 or younger
Now the consequences of that have come and they are surprised pikachu.
waxen panther
they're 13 now and the account was made years ago and the dad excuse doesnt really fly with discord all that much
limber knotBOT
"EsperNet is a privately owned and operated network. As such, EsperNet reserves the right to remove any person or bot from any or all servers for any reason." And yes, they have that
waxen panther
limber knotBOT
So they do enforce things retroactively, good to know
golden gust
I mean, in the case you turned 13 while being on the platform, they still got data about you prior to you being able to consent to them storing that data
cunning raft
they're 13 now and the account was made years ago and the dad excuse doesnt real...
I think COPPA requires a written or faxed letter from a parent or guardian
waxen panther
yeah
he's in england though so i dont think discord will make them do it
but im sure they take the same steps everywhere
potent fossil
yeah but discord doesnt play with coppa at all
they just ban < 13
too much bullshit
cunning raft
Yeah Discord probably doesn't even entertain that shit
waxen panther
magic river
COPPA is a nightmare
As a lot of you should know, running Minecraft servers and all 😛
waxen panther
seems like an owner problem
upper flicker
expecting anyone in MC to do the right thing
waxen panther
i'll still to my keyboard typing
golden gust
I mean, there are many legal questions around it which nobody knows, and, generally in all of this, nobody gives a shit to go find out so they can avoid extra issues
waxen panther
stick*
golden gust
Wellllll
potent fossil
MC servers I stick around don't collect personal info of minors so I don't think it's a problem
golden gust
I mean, we spoke to mojang about giving us a status for ensuring that people are of a certain age
limber knotBOT
i never joked
golden gust
and they basically seemingly implied to us that they take care of that, which ofc just leaves us in a joyous legal area...
cunning raft
MC servers I stick around don't collect personal info of minors so I don't think...
UUIDs may count
But as legal resident z750 will say
potent fossil
i mean, but that's mojang data. smells like mojang's issue to me
magic river
Didn't you joke about being in the cool kids club and 13 was too old for it?
cunning raft
Doesn't matter unless it's tried in court
upper flicker
I dont know anything about coppa or the rules for minors
cosmic raft
you know
cunning raft
Yes you do
cosmic raft
I wish java had "static interfaces" sometimes
waxen panther
looks like z needs another 3 day lawyer class
cunning raft
You tried a case on that the other day z
upper flicker
given the state of laws governing data on users in the US though I would assume it probably still doesnt go as far as you might hope
waxen panther
what would a static interface be like kash
idk if it's a thing in other languages but im not familar
cosmic raft
public interface Foo {
static void bar();
}
// errors if missing static abstract methods
public class Banana implements Foo {
public static void bar() {
}
}
frank otter
COPPA is a nightmare
I am a legal minor running a mc server for legal minors
or I was running one
left swift
Legal minors lol
cunning raft
Legal 
Minor
cosmic raft
Simply to have a compile-time "does this class have the required methods for what I do with reflection" :p
waxen panther
thats interesting
modest path
static interfaces? what if someone invoked Foo.bar() and not Banana.bar()?
waxen panther
do we know if sealed classes will be out of preview for 17?
upper flicker
sounds to me like you put minors to work in your mines 😠
minor badge
there's a JEP for it @waxen panther
frank otter
the minors mined of their own free will iirc
waxen panther
i know navigating the jeps is hard 
i'll just google the jep instead
frank otter
of course I may have coerced them but not too much
upper flicker
uh huh
frank otter
wasn't my mine anyways
waxen panther
here we go
frank otter
was the legal mine of the other legal mining minor
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by Amaranth#2954 - sealed classes JEP - result 1 of 10
minor badge
uhh JEP 407 I think
upper flicker
rip
waxen panther
yea pog finalised in 17
magic river
409
waxen panther
lets go !
minor badge
close 😔
frank otter
wait what
waxen panther
this is going to be a good lts 
upper flicker
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas
frank otter
I'm really confused is there some java feature coming out
modest path
sealed classes?
frank otter
what language is java itself written in
magic river
C++ and Java
modest path
java is written in java
frank otter
java is written in java
the compiler or the jvm?
minor badge
compiler and partially JVM
waxen panther
compiler is in java
frank otter
it wouldn't make sense to write the jvm in java I think?
because wouldn't you get a performance hit
minor badge
the stdlib is in Java (for the most part), whereas the VM itself is C++
frank otter
Ah that makes sense
magic river
I think it's called a metacircular evaluator
Graal is, I mean, when the JIT is in Java
frank otter
the stdlib and all its 40ish array implementations
waxen panther
stdlib has a lot of natives but yea
frank otter
JIT means just in time doesn't it?
what does that mean
does it mean it's compiled on the fly
frank otter
I should know what jit means I mess with LLVM too much
waxen panther
it's a little more complicated nowadays with the 5 million optimisations
magic river
Java compiler produces bytecode, it's basically the source code but in a compact binary format
frank otter
is JIT actually compiled in time or does it halt execution while it isn't yet compiled
magic river
The JIT turns that in to native code as needed when you run the program
minor badge
JIT is essentially looking at the bytecode and CPU and then it goes "yoo I can make machine code outta this!"
frank otter
Ah so it compiles branches and expressions when they're needed
magic river
It pauses, of course
frank otter
so if I had like an if/else and the else isn't run I wouldn't end up compiling the else?
magic river
No, it happens on a method level
frank otter
Interpreting I understand I think
magic river
Do they ever actually do that outside of debugging?
frank otter
does it mean it's like python and the runtime is like a massive switch statement
golden gust
when a method is called enough, i.e. deemed "hot" enough, it's then compiled
magic river
I thought since tiered compilation landed that wasn't a normal thing
golden gust
afaik yes
Maybe my knowledge is outdated here though, am not really a JVM internals peep, shamefully
(far too much for my health to keep up on lol)
frank otter
what's the advantage of jvm/jit
minor badge
I mean, there's also AOT with shit like Graal native-image ^^
magic river
They discovered running through the shitty "client" JIT got them something that ran fast enough they could collect more samples before they needed to switch to the "server" JIT so they could optimize it better since they have more data
golden gust
compile one, run everywhere
waxen panther
proxi please compile paper natively so i can get 100 tps.
frank otter
hmm so it's compile once run on any JVM
waxen panther
with j9+ you can get pretty small jvms
golden gust
idea being that you're not compiling native binaries for every platform, the JVM deals with that
frank otter
apart from the cross platform ness, does it reduce compile times?
golden gust
and as broc said,modern java has a nice tool which lets you basically package up a jvm with the stuff you need
no
you don't care about compile time, you care about portability
waxen panther
i watched a very epic talk on modules the other day and decided it was very cool but i cant be bothered
frank otter
so java/jvm/jit is for portability
magic river
Between the platform differences that leak through and native libraries it's not really true for anything non-trivial
golden gust
portability is basically one of the big arguments for java, you don't need to care about the OS, etc, you just care about the JVM
frank otter
but it's less performant compared to compiling it "properly"
golden gust
Yea, there is a huge asterix in the real world
Well, JIT takes care of the performance aspects by optimizing at runtime
magic river
Eh
golden gust
Well, to a degree
magic river
Isn't JavaScript faster these days?
frank otter
doesn't that then take longer to run because its optimising on the fly
frank otter
Isn't JavaScript faster these days?
have you heard of webassembly
golden gust
that's what the tiered stages are for
frank otter
what tiered stages?
golden gust
methods which are called more are generally privy to go through the tiers and get more work done on them
the compilation tiers that amar said
frank otter
oh
waxen panther
js on v8 is roughly 1/2 the speed of the c equivalent if you're not using any special c intrinsic optimisations and stuff
google had a good talk on it
golden gust
idea is that the JVM doesn't need to go ultra hard core and optimizise the shit outta that single method you call on startup
waxen panther
although a little bias some other people tested it and the results werent far off
frank otter
so you've got the code being run is being tracedish and counted the times it's being called
magic river
Nah everything goes through the tier 1 (client) JIT, it's stupid fast
frank otter
and by counting the times functions are called, the jvm decidec which to optimise or compile
magic river
You only fail out of that to the interpreter when debugging, I'm pretty sure
golden gust
ah, nice
waxen panther
zoom
magic river
tier 2 JIT still makes much better code though so it's what you want
frank otter
so it's a bit slower but much cross platform compared to ahead of time
golden gust
speed varies depending on many factors
magic river
tier 1 is enough of an improvement over interpreter they can afford to give tier 2 more time and data for optimization though
golden gust
the fact that JIT can do stuff at runtime means that you can get stuff which AOT can't see per sei
waxen panther
the new primitive object thing should help a bit with java performance
golden gust
e.g. JIT is able to strip out things like nul reference checks
waxen panther
they have a few neat performance jeps actually
wtf who gave me biggest taco fan 😡 @upper flicker ???
magic river
Of course whole program optimization in C++ compilers released in the last decade lets them do all those same optimizations and more
worn ember
meat performance
golden gust
idk what the performance metrics are, there is the odd case here and there where java can run faster than C++, but generally it's a bit slower but people generally shrug as java is a much more accessible/maintainable language to work with over C++
upper flicker
wtf who gave me biggest taco fan 😡 <@!107387791683416064> ???
you were being a fan
you get the fan role
frank otter
Never had a taco here
modest path
is Loom coming out alongside 17? I see that the beta is based on 17
frank otter
I assume a jvm is harder to write than clang++
magic river
🌯 now, 🌯 tomorrow, 🌯 forever
golden gust
I mean
magic river
clang is way harder
worn ember
🍔 all day every day 🍔
golden gust
the thing is that a c compiler and the JVM is not really hard per sei
left swift
Toxic role? It's the best role broccolai
golden gust
creating a basic thing is CS level stuff
waxen panther
i dont think loom will be any time soon, i dont think it has a jep yet either
frank otter
(given we're using LLVM)
magic river
C++ parsers are probably the hardest thing you can write
frank otter
C++ parsers are probably the hardest thing you can write
wat
golden gust
Like, I think most CS students if they wanted to could create a tool for compiling source or a basic VM
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by Amaranth#2954 - most vexing parse - result 1 of 10
golden gust
The thing is how much work has gone into all of this stuff and the years in play
e.g. a basic JVM has 0 shit on hotspot
magic river
C++ is full of corner cases and context dependent shit before you even get in to trying to actually support all the things it has
golden gust
a basic compiler designed to eat code and dump out ASM is also really not all that bad in the scheme of things
magic river
After you get an AST or IR a compiler is a compiler is a compiler
frank otter
I wrote an interpreter and then got bored and LLVM
and a compiler is a compiler is a compiler
but LLVM has jit which is interesting
magic river
Their JIT is just running a part of LLVM at run time 😛
frank otter
yes, it's interesting
I use it because I can't figure out how to dump LLVM ir to asm
and I don't want to have to write a float implementation in assembly
magic river
LLVM is generally considered too heavy to use as a JIT
everything that's tried has failed or replaced it with something faster
frank otter
Yeah, the only place I've seen it was the kaleidoscope tutorial
magic river
Safari (JavaScriptCore) used to use it
frank otter
is metal vulkan
magic river
Shaders are all JIT
Metal is similar to Vulkan but is an Apple-only thing that predates Vulkan
frank otter
Oh, never heard of it
waxen panther
metal is p cool
magic river
Metal is the only API Apple supports for GPUs
OpenGL is still there but deprecated, Vulkan isn't a thing
frank otter
so you just don't run vulkan on apple
upper flicker
there's a compat shim to run vulkan on metal
but metal has some design decisions that make some vulkan features slower, not work, etc
magic river
You use gfx-portability or MoltenVK to run vulkan on top of metal
upper flicker
Im not familiar with the exact details of that
magic river
It has some limits due to API mismatch but it's most of Vulkan working mostly the way it would anywhere else
waxen panther
Apple-only thing that predates Vulkan
magic river
I think the main problem is some things in Metal require rebuilding the pipeline that don't in Vulkan?
waxen panther
that and yknow, apple like apple things
magic river
So you get unexpected pauses from the translation layer triggering a rebuild which also recompiles your shaders for the new pipeline setup
native wolf
apple generally like having their own things
frank otter
I forgot that 
existed
golden gust
didn't apple sponsor vulkan or something?
frank otter
it's a nice surprise
golden gust
and then basically not support it...
magic river
Metal is kind of what you'd get if you asked something to write Vulkan but for languages that have managed memory
magic river
Garbage collector or reference counting, just so long as you don't have to care 😛
upper flicker
there's some sort of shared history where vulkan took some ideas or something from the prototype metal was based on
and apple was on the committee that vulkan came out of
magic river
Metal also doesn't make you care about buffer lifetimes, it just handles that stuff for you iirc
upper flicker
some sort of "lets work together" history like that
magic river
Vulkan is Mantle with the name changed and a few tweaks, iirc
Some of those tweaks are pretty large but it's still mostly Mantle
D3D12 is so close to Mantle at one point their documentation was a copy/paste
frank otter
is vulkan supposed to be like a replacement for opengl
magic river
Kind of
frank otter
is anyone making a switch
magic river
?
frank otter
are there any companies or code projects that used to use opengl but have moved to vulkan
or not that many
upper flicker
some stuff is yes, or usually adding a vulkan implementation along side an opengl implementation
golden gust
xplane? maybe
upper flicker
but a lot of stuff just stays as it is
magic river
I don't know any that went Vulkan only, it's just another rendering backend for your engine
Vulkan is lower level, it's a lot more work to use
frank otter
oh engine backends, makes sense
upper flicker
a lot of places are treating opengl as "legacy"
magic river
However, it's the kind of work game engines are doing anything or wish they could do
upper flicker
but because its pretty much everywhere, they still have some support
frank otter
Cuz the only game I know the renderer it uses is minecraft with opengl
magic river
So OpenGL is easier if you're trying to slap something together as a hobby thing
golden gust
and, yea, opengl/vulkan basically does the "drawing to the screen" stuff, your program is what says to actually draw stuff to the screen
frank otter
I assume minecraft won't be switching to vulkan any time soon
magic river
Never
golden gust
if you're just a normal dev, you're generally just gonna go use some existing game framework or something like unity which deals with that crap for you
magic river
Well, bedrock might support it some day and bedrock will eventually kill off java so I guess not never
native wolf
Bedrock is shit imho
frank otter
same tbh
mental meadow
Bedrock prints money
golden gust
and basically just use their frameworks and such vs writing a full rendering engine on your own, might get some platform specific code in your stuff but, ideally you just use what the engine offers and let it deal with calling whatever rendering backend is available on your platform
frank otter
I don't want bedrock to kill java because mods and server plugins
and java is a hell of a lot easier to mess with
native wolf
Same, and also Bedrock is always pretty much half broken
magic river
Writing your own renderer with OpenGL is non-trivial but not terrible
Writing your own renderer with Vulkan is a ballache that never goes away
golden gust
might wanna get that checked
magic river
It's like 200 lines of code to draw a triangle 😛
static badge
some people are into that
golden gust
lol
frank otter
yes it is and yes some people are into that
I was until I realised it was c++ I was writing
magic river
Now if you're using something like wgpu-rs it's harder but still not crazy
worn ember
like you are into furries? 
magic river
And bonus, easy port to the web later
frank otter
Rust with vulkan I think there's a tutorial for, not sure
but it's still hard to draw a triangle
magic river
WebGPU is going to end up being the actual portable API for doing rendering, because of course it is
static badge
web :(
magic river
They basically take D3D12, Vulkan, and Metal and figure out how to make an API that all of them can support that isn't a security nightmare to expose to the web
golden gust
Compute support?!
magic river
It started off as "vulkan but-" and that's why gfx-portability exists
All three of those APIs have compute support so yes, WebGPU should have compute support
left swift
Leafy is here oh no
golden gust
brb, writing a bitcoin miner
static badge
already ahead of you
upper flicker
Youre advertising to a server full of people who own servers and write software for servers
not a bunch of players
true canyon
Maybe posting here like that is the sort of anarchy their server wants!
viral hornet
let's join and break all the grass blocks !
vernal bone
Let's check the Paper github repo for issues, and try to abuse them on their serbur 
olive marlin
inb4 they run craptopia and have worse issues than that.
unkempt drift
WOW official paper team member trashing another fork
are you speaking officially prof?
pulsar wigeon
I vote for his immediate impeachment.
hollow latch
can anyone suggest me how to learn html and css? 
viral hornet
woah wot
vernal bone
viral hornet
When did you become triage team @olive marlin
unkempt drift
viral hornet
shhhh i only woke up not long ago and have been watching youtube ever since
worn ember
me all day tbh
golden gust
Here is my vision of camm
viral hornet
That is very epic news though, congratulations (or RIP?) everyone.
@quasi valley devloper 🥺
golden gust
Hey, camm, you coming over to the party later?
yea, sure, i'll be there
day after
yo, camm, where was you?
camms brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPRy1B4t5YA
golden gust
lol
worn ember
tf are you watching lol
olive marlin
Did it arrive yet?
viral hornet
Nah, it's only 7:30AM here tho lol
void void
rules group?
worn ember
are there fish in australia?
viral hornet
So hopefully today, and hopefully not when peak our traffic hits lol
worn ember
wouldnt expect anything less
void void
Guys, I'm new to the group, how can I get in touch with the group organizers?
viral hornet
Guys, I'm new to the group, how can I get in touch with the group organizers?
You can just ask whatever you wish here and someone might be able to answer it
Yeah what simple said
viral hornet
I eagerly await your question
potent fossil
golden gust
viral hornet
Before he vanishes for 8 hours
I can't click play on that
I know it'll just lead me to many more videos of nooting and much laughing
viral hornet
I will send you pics of doggo's
potent fossil
If you want to suggest that Paper pull in your code and make it a part of Paper, then this is typically done as a Pull Request on GitHub.
#paper-dev for further discussion.
void void
ok
limber knotBOT
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/OhJtfU5Q3rkfW6TRZQQ24Jo this is ny dads current laptop
so uh thoughts?
limber knotBOT
yeah its kinda shit
not running very well
and this windows install has been going for about 5 years now
nova plume
have you tried debloating windows
golden gust
it's a 5 year old meh CPU
nova plume
or do you have to use windows
golden gust
I ean, it shouldn't be too bad, but, it's not gonna be blazing fast
nova plume
oracle java 🤮
limber knotBOT
i mean i could probably teach my dad to use pop os but pain
nova plume
yh ig
limber knotBOT
"why cant i install powerpoint??!1!1!"
nova plume
bruhh
modest path
one of these days i gotta learn russie
nova plume
oskar if u really need powerpoint try online powerpoint
limber knotBOT
i mean im fine with google slides
but companies use legacy codebases, so he needs local office
runic shale
worn ember
wait youtube has its own "tiktok" now? lmao
warm anchor
You mean the short video? It has been there 
limber knotBOT
its had it for ages
warm anchor
Story or whatever on Twitter or ig or any other platform all have it. (Just have different names)
worn ember
yeah imagine being original, cant have that
delicate raven
anyone want to play on my server?
worn ember
no
delicate raven
oof
limber knotBOT
oskar (~oskarzyg@97e7ce4e.skybroadband.com) left IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
tell me a more enjoyable experience
delicate raven
warm anchor
Jace you do realize this server consisted of developers and server owners?
worn ember
also read the rules
spiral robin
hi
golden gust
the only people in this discord who join others servers generally do so to make them cry
warm anchor
Oof can’t ping @olive marlin or risk getting booted from pinging 
jk
olive marlin
DED noone used shorts, until TheSpiffingBritt showed how YT favors shoving shorts to people and a spam started a few months ago.
Same as with the community polls.
worn ember
i've legit never seen a short
warm anchor
Maybe they beta tested in US first
left swift
Cat makes me cry every night 
warm anchor
You used to not be able to link them
worn ember
are they not on the main page of yt?
warm anchor
Now you can
golden gust
well, that makes me glad
warm anchor
wide chasm
Shorts are on the app, but not on site
warm anchor
They show up only on mobile app
olive marlin
Idk, I'm not in US and soon after TSB released the video, I started getting them.
I also get them on website.
I don't use mobile app.
warm anchor
Oh must be a recent thing then
It gets a fair amount of views
Judging from the top videos all in millions
olive marlin
It's been a thing for some time for sure.
worn ember
checks out millenials their attention span is about 60 seconds
worn ember
i do, i just dont remember it xD i read it and it instantly vanishes again
warm anchor
Big oof ded is dead! Dead I say!
waxen panther
eternity find me a 3080 🥲
warm anchor
3080 is a no go here either
worn ember
i can sell you one for 1.8k
waxen panther
tempting!
waxen panther
for msrp?
warm anchor
Yes
warm anchor
Very tempting really
waxen panther
im going to try and get a 3080ti when they come out cuz it'll be a new release
warm anchor
Suffering from my slowness of 2080ti /s
waxen panther
if not im going to give in to the scalpers
warm anchor
But I only ever play Dota soooooooo
warm anchor
Yess!!
left swift
I'm only getting 400fps on csgo with my 1080 :(
warm anchor
Just lower your resolution to 800x600
left swift
Linux drama 
warm anchor
Someone’s ass is now officially on fire
spare venture
So vague
untold meadow
why don't the leadership know what their researchers are doing lmfao
potent fossil
not uncommon in large organizations
warm anchor
I’d say most don’t. They only know what’s reported to them
That’s probably why the announcement is worded that way too as they try to understand the situation as we speak
upper flicker
tbh its not uncommon that researchers dont consult dept leadership about everything
its just a lot of extra bureaucracy that you could argue usually doesnt need to exist
not sure what the size of that dept is but that could also significantly bottleneck research
IRBs are supposed to do a lot of this review work but if you misrepresent your work to the IRB, well fat load of good that did
the whole system is set up to handle this sort of thing retroactively after a mistake has been made, and fear of putting your ass in the hot seat keeps others from repeating
untold meadow
honestly im surprised this got through an ethics committee tbh
that's assuming that it went through one
upper flicker
IRBs are more designed for review on people directly
software communities and what not are "new" and "grey"
"we're researching the software, not the people"
although there is a rumor that it didnt even get an IRB review until after they made the first round of bad PRs
which... talk about ass in hot seat
so "rumor" was the wrong word
The IRB of UMN reviewed the study and determined that this is not human research (a formal IRB exempt letter was obtained).
Throughout the study, we honestly did not think this is human research, so we did not apply for an IRB approval in the beginning.
if the IRB says its not on people, thats the end of the ethics review
warm anchor
Very glad to know that people end up reviewing the junk patch ain’t considered people
upper flicker
The IRB is a university review board, not a departmental review board, so they wouldnt have had the domain knowledge to challenge any assertions specific to CS or programming
upper flicker
oh no they need to get fucked
especially since the original round of complaints went out in november
but UMN wasnt blacklisted from all kernel dev in november
so who knows where those complaints went
untold meadow
this is why people need ethics boards that know what they are doing
iirc my uni has an ethics board in department before you can go above to the actual uni ethics board
upper flicker
I would suspect the CSE department may end up doing something similar after this
or at least carving out a "if your research ever interacts with anyone" or something
From the associate department head https://twitter.com/lorenterveen/status/1384966202301337603
Twitter
untold meadow
but also the fact they didn't apply for irb approval in the beginning is just mindblowing
upper flicker
thats out of context, he is not strictly blaming the IRB and ignoring their own role
he's responding to a question about IRB reviews in general
Mmmm I'd love to see what they sent the IRB
worn ember
Z man
upper flicker
darkeye dude
worn ember
Epic gamer moment
warm anchor
DarkEyedookie
olive marlin
@twin lagoon Hello. You look good too! 🙂
twin lagoon
olive marlin
Shouldn't you sleep?
twin lagoon
yes
warm anchor
Wow cute people in chat 
olive marlin
twin lagoon
eternity 
worn ember
Sleep kaaskop
warm anchor
Michael 
twin lagoon
i want a mova globe but they're expensive 😔
olive marlin
That earth globe with clouds looks fancy.
mossy vessel
I do not have any decoration at all rn, still looking for some style changes here and there
mossy vessel
Would probably end up somewhere in my office
mossy vessel
Tho stuff like that would look... quite out of place for me
Maybe putting it at my cat's favo spot will increase their happiness 
twin lagoon
wtf send cat pics
mossy vessel
I've been banned from #adorable-pets 
twin lagoon
send here
mossy vessel
twin lagoon
cute
worn ember
Poosy
twin lagoon
get fucked
upper flicker
Yeah it’s a really good look lol
Hopefully that means they’ll take it very seriously
warm anchor
Many spanking need to happen
golden gust
I volenteer as a test to ensure that the spankings are being correctly delivered
I mean, what
peak ginkgo
Many spanking need to happen
Why is this the first thing I read
waxen panther
me when spark mutual friend 😳
twin lagoon
tapticwho
twin lagoon
ancient bolt
running gnome on arch is so dumb
cause you get the new update immediately and then everything breaks because nothing is fucking updated
also everything breaks because gnome is shit
waxen panther
bspwm 🥺
ancient bolt
it can't do transparency or dynamic bluring like I would expect any modern OS to do
so everything just looks garbage
twin lagoon
cause you get the new update immediately and then everything breaks because noth...
accurate
don't update gnome on arch when there's a major update
ancient bolt
I didn't even know there was a major update 😦
twin lagoon
that shit should be held back by 2 weeks minimum
golden gust
honestly, I find that most of the DEs are kinda shitty
ancient bolt
I just booted up my machine and everything was broken
twin lagoon
the only usable DE for me is gnome
ancient bolt
I haven't found a single DE that isn't shitty
gnome is the closest to fine and it's still shitty
golden gust
Most tolerable "environment" I've found is basically i3
ancient bolt
linux on the desktop is just a trainwreck lol
true canyon
Turns out they were also doing a study on Minecraft servers and got a lot of flaws right into a server software's releases. Due to a miscommunication, though, they targeted yatopia.
golden gust
and, then it's like I hardly use the thing so god knows I ain't gonna remember the key combos and all that BS next time I boot it up
ancient bolt
tiling for me is just not remotely an option at all
twin lagoon
tiling garbo
ancient bolt
have absolutely no interest in that
golden gust
I liked it for my pi and my laptop, sorta
twin lagoon
the only thing i find tiling useful for is my terminal
ancient bolt
I wonder how much stuff would be better if I had an amd card and was running under wayland
or if stuff would be worse
golden gust
I think that for stupidly small screen devices tiling is k, but, generally you're running shit full screen anyways so who cares
and KDE just looks bubbly inflated to all shit waste of screen space everywhere
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel i found a store here that sells them for 160 EUR with taxes included for the smallest 4.5" globe, not that bad
i sent mova an email though maybe they can provide me decent pricing directly
floral mesa
ive been using KDE over the last week or so, and its okay
Its got issues I am not a big fan of, and would love to see more refinement/standard layout for all applications
also fuck panel/desktop management
there isnt a good way for both kde/latte to manage panels effectively.
ancient bolt
yay microsoft actually took my feedback from the preview builds in the dev channel
floral mesa
It would be nice if plasma cuts out the bloat or have a couple of options to optimize plasma for certain workloads
ancient bolt
the first preview builds had the weather thingy pop up any time you mouse over it, was awful
modest path
what happened?
who the fuck would do that
massive skull
hope he gets what's coming to him
waxen panther
yeah bro lets just try to add vulnerabilities to one of the most important and well scrutinised code bases in the world 
it's not like anyone important uses linux 😁
cunning raft
It is interesting tho
It's morally weird as shit on the university
But at the same time why does Linux have the merge policy of yatopia
I'll post this again lulw https://youtu.be/FpN_RjIaVw8
magic river
I swear brocc used to be a brighter green
magic river
Maybe the longer name just stood out more
cunning raft
kash probably color matched an actual piece of broccoli 🥦
magic river
Can't really read it as is unless I stop and focus on that line
unkempt drift
that is an oddly accurate onion video for the current topic
worn ember
that is an oddly accurate onion video for the current topic
Wym. onion videos are always on topic
potent fossil
got a screenshot?
cosmic raft
potent fossil
ye but they dont give key data alg, max sig life, etc afaik?
yeah they don't. skip that inner box
just do top
upper flicker
WSL GUI app support confirmed for 21H2 https://twitter.com/Raym0111/status/1384921262116442115?s=20
Twitter
Twitter
worn ember
Half life 2 confirmed
pseudo pilot
eugh how do you fix spaghetti code
i taught myself java and i'm struggling in my CSE class
they prof gives me a 5/5 for functionality and feature implementation
but readability and documentation are 2/5 at best
upper flicker
hey cat, your face is dumb and no one can understand your language
formal turret
maybe he expects overdocumentation?
pseudo pilot
i get marked for dumb stuff like
golden gust
hey z
pseudo pilot
"make sure your comments are above the method"
golden gust
I'll have you know that fuck you
upper flicker
pseudo pilot
"your comment is over 100 characters fuck you -3 points"
"why are you using /* */ to comment we didn't learn that -5 points"
upper flicker
I do like this new blue color
viral hornet
It suits your eye
golden gust
over documentation is just as bad as under documentation
ancient bolt
just switch to dev again so I can try this gui wsl
formal turret
sure, but it's a class
golden gust
hitting points off you for using stuff ahead of you is just fucking cancer
ancient bolt
start menu won't open
upper flicker
some of the windows insider stuff has been pretty rough yeah
ancient bolt
opening windows terminal says:
Unable to find the selected font "Cascadia Mono".
"Consolas" has been selected instead.
Please either install the missing font or choose another one.
so taht's cool
formal turret
I mean, if the syllabus requires you to have comments for all your methods... it's just something you have to do
like i totally get that the method could be self documenting, but you gotta play by their rules to get the grade lol
pseudo pilot
eugh i hate it
they literally made me un-optimize my code
we had an assignment to make this image
exact pixel by pixel
the thing is they differentiate a row and a grid
you need a separate method to draw the rows
you can't just say a row is just a grid with height 1
magic river
native wolf
hitting points off you for using stuff ahead of you is just fucking cancer
I agree
It's so annoying
golden gust
Like, I get it for "you went so far foward that you went OTT on this, we didn't need a fizzbuzz here, wtf", but, for stupid shit like comments
pseudo pilot
same
modest path
only documentation when it is key to understanding a class
pseudo pilot
i hate writing documentation
modest path
there isn't a point otherwise
yeah what's so hard to understand about fucking Adapter getAdapter() { return this.adapter; }
pseudo pilot
like i have to explicitly write down what and why i make a method
native wolf
That's really stupid
pseudo pilot
this equation is the heart of my code
i have to explain to them why i chose each variable
magic river
Yeah that you need some documentation on 😛
magic river
That documentation is awful
You're telling what you're doing instead of why and the what is trivial
magic river
The places where the what isn't trivial you don't document 😛
ancient bolt
Welp rolling back to the previous windows build
Every time I try the new dev inside build to try the new fancy feature shit never works
Makes me wonder how the hell the beta and release versions work at all
modest path
You're telling what you're doing instead of why and the what is trivial
honestly sometimes you want to see what is being done alongside the "why" - granted, not to the extent that it's been done in that excerpt
magic river
Huh, I wonder if these people were actually running a static analysis project at the same time or pretending to even to the NSF https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=1815621&HistoricalAwards=false
So maybe they really were running an (apparently terrible) static analyzer over the kernel and then manually writing a bunch of awful patches that introduced a bunch of bugs and/or vulnerabilities separate from their project to intentionally introduce vulnerabilities
How could you tell the difference?
short yarrow
oh wow when did github links become like this
warm anchor
Like weeks ago
merry talon
Every time I try the new dev inside build to try the new fancy feature shit neve...
i was sick of that so i did a fresh install and my framerate in games doubled
and just the desktop experience runs far smoother as well
native wolf
Yeah, every version of Windows is like that
merry talon
this was after being on the most bleeding edge builds for a year
<@&748618676189528155>
native wolf
What the actual
unkempt drift
smh
untold copper
smh
merry talon
warm anchor
untold copper
sulu where
sharp sentinel
!ban @broken skiff random weird sausage spam
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned Godofgodness#3181 (random weird sausage spam) [1 total infraction] -- Me4502#4502.
untold copper
lmao
merry talon
sulu
untold copper
yes sulu :c
warm anchor
Missed chance 
cunning raft
that's a ban message and a half
untold copper
congrats :D
cunning raft
thxs
untold copper
cyan look very epik on you too
native wolf
that's a ban message and a half
It's exactly what it was tho
golden gust
sausage party best documentary prove me wrong
untold copper
I was once 12
cunning raft
I remember the trailers for that
untold copper
And i decided to watch that movie
cunning raft
I never actually watch it tho
untold copper
in my defense I did NOT know what it was
golden gust
2nd year of uni we ended up sticking it on in the sorta like communal living room
warm anchor
Snoopa you gotta be extra careful now Jroy can ban your ass
golden gust
best night ever with my flatmates
untold copper
so me and my 9 year old sister just sat there listening to all the things and stuff until our father came and made me change the movie
untold copper
Snoopa you gotta be extra careful now Jroy can ban your ass <a:run:8114303298846...
yez
golden gust
I mean, we watched it on recommendations thinking it was gonna be a kids movie
untold copper
same
muted storm
:raised_hands: Banned ``Godofgodness#3181`` (``random weird sausage spam``) [`1 ...
The fuck? lol
That's not fair. You guys get all the fun spammers. We just get people that post like... shitty memes
Or copy/pasta
merry talon
we do everything bigger and better over here
merry talon
including the spam
left swift
We so cool even our spam has spam
merry talon
hmm yes
minor badge
@muted storm want some random weird sausage spam? 
minor badge
mystic siren
i just finished setting up pterdyctyl
so
I made a server
a 100 block world border
creative mode paper server w/o plugins
anyone can join
tcp://0.tcp.ngrok.io:19624
server will probally be killed by end of day
modest path
not the place to advertise
everyone here is a server owner or a dev
for your sake please try a different form of ads
mystic siren
(this is why every server software needs a #promotion or something)
warm anchor
Nooo
limber knotBOT
is paper a clone of MC?
limber knotBOT
would a regular MC client use it without issues?
limber knotBOT
yea, but would a normal MC client connect without issues?
untold copper
Yeah, why would it not?
potent fossil
If they're asking legit questions just answer them lol, no need to ask them to justify why they're asking
native wolf
is paper a clone of MC?
Paper is a fork of Spigot
untold copper
If they're asking legit questions just answer them lol, no need to ask them to j...
okokokok
limber knotBOT
is spigot a fork of the official MC server?
potent fossil
Paper is a fork of Spigot, which itself is a fork of Bukkit, which itself is a fork of the official MC server.
potent fossil
Well, not a fork.
Built on top of.
So, yes as 12 said
It's a bit convoluted nowadays
modest path
If he understand it, he wouldn’t post here to begin with
exactly my point 
limber knotBOT
does using paper change things with https://account.mojang.com/documents/commercial_guidelines ?
ie do those rules still apply
potent fossil
They do still apply, yes.
untold copper
whats that? o.O
potent fossil
The guidelines for acting in a commercial capacity
That's not what they're asking
They're asking if they use Paper do they need to follow those guidelines. The answer is yes
limber knotBOT
because it's code somewhere down the line comes from them?
untold copper
interesting
potent fossil
Yes. The official server is still inside of Paper.
Paper just has stuff on top of it.
It's not a custom server software
limber knotBOT
wrapper? ah oki
potent fossil
Essentially yes
limber knotBOT
if waterfall essentially a load balancer/redirector to a paper/MC server(s)?
potent fossil
Correct.
Waterfall is a fork of Bungeecord, same thing.
These days we recommend using Velocity over either of those, though
mystic siren
what is velocity
potent fossil
a better proxy
queen frost
mystic siren
(also can someone help me in #paper-help )
just making shure i configured my .yml file righ
untold copper
what is velocity
velocity = displacement/time :P