Minecraft does in general
#general
spare venture
magic river
Not for the main tick
rose echo
i heard that spigot doesnt support multicore
wide chasm
Spigot also supports multiple cores
olive garden
I hope you aren't expecting an unbiased answer on the Paper discord
magic nebula
lol
worn ember
Purpur
left swift
Yatopia
visual egret
spigot or paper?
Paper, but there are other forks out there you might want to look into
Tuinity and Purpur are the notable ones, some notable dumb ones are Yatopia, Mohist
ignore nomana spamming Yatopia hes just a 5 year old
granite axle
heh people are talking about me in spigot
left swift
Gratz
worn ember
free cookie
worn ember
i'm sure they're all well behaved in spigot
granite axle
oh just the remnants of a whole load of drama
granite axle
i'm sure they're all well behaved in spigot
lmao no
granite axle
ikrrrrrr
left swift
Minecraft developers and their drama smh
left swift
All because u wont show ur other eye
upper flicker
I lost my other eye in a tragic accident in a different server
left swift
warm anchor
worn ember
left swift
Give me that emote 
woven otter
Give me that emote <:PokiGun:829524033661173775>
warm anchor
Who’s that duck
woven otter
my gf
visual egret
i didnt know 7 year olds have girlfriends
woven otter
rude coming from an actual 7 year old
visual egret
even if it did come from an actual 7 year old it wouldn't be rude
woven otter
warm anchor
worn ember
mfw i could cut my age in half and still be older than oskar
quasi valley
mfw duck got cucked by oskar
woven otter
not true
worn ember
is there a way to get 2 branches open in intellij without having to have 2 projects open?
wraith oracle
what do you mean by 2 branches open
one file in one branch and other file in another?
spare venture
mfw i could cut my age in half and still be older than oskar
I thought you were only like 20 at most
left swift
Oskar growing into his rebellious phase
worn ember
I thought you were only like 20 at most
23 lol
worn ember
one file in one branch and other file in another?
Ig the entire project lol but yeah that answers my own question
vernal moth
Just encountered this master piece again
This is still a must read for virtually any engineer who wants to work at a decently sized company
If you have never read this, go book mark this and grab a beer some evening and read thru it if you have like 30 minutes
It's worth it, it has personally helped me grow as a engineer and a person, and also helped my team grow
spare venture
Is it relevant at all for anyone not in software/cs
vernal moth
It's directed at ppl who manage an engineering team
spare venture
alright I’ll check it out then
native wolf
That's interesting
vernal moth
It's basically the combined knowledge of the go to fire fighter for ue4 engineering in LA
topaz mortar
Engineering Firefighter sounds like an OVH job.
spare venture
Well, they probably didn’t have one until now
vernal moth
Basically lists everything that can go wrong, how to know its going wrong, how to fix it, and how to prevent it from happening
spare venture
Glare 🥺
cosmic raft
Paper has hit the 700 server patches mark.
spare venture
that is a lot of patches
visual egret
hm... so i have a pretty loud machine, im thinking of using crontab to suspend it at night, then use WOL and crontab on a quieter device to turn it back on in the morning... lets hope it goes well 🤷
native wolf
Paper has hit the 700 server patches mark.
Pog
spare venture
Oskar why is your machine on 24/7 in the first place
visual egret
uh its a "server"
spare venture
Oh god
visual egret
indeed
cosmic raft
I still laugh at the people who thought I was silly to get 32GB fo RAM, and then upgrade to 64GB of RAM :p
topaz mortar
Paper has hit the 700 server patches mark.
Time to squash. 😄 Or better per file patches. 😄
mossy vessel
Mine is so quiet I don't hear it the next room, just keeping it online lol
cosmic raft
thats 8x what i have
:D
fallen oracle
700 patches, and still builds in under 2 minutes. That's pretty nice.
vernal moth
Time to squash. 😄 Or better per file patches. 😄
Per file patches for everything would be the death of paper
We got better plans
native wolf
https://i.imgur.com/g9CoOKG.png
Can you even fill it up on normal usage
vernal moth
Define normal usage
You can easily use so much ram, yes
I max out 32gb frequently and I did on purpose only run dual channel so I can upgrade
native wolf
Max out 32GBs? Oh God
mossy vessel
That is not very hard
native wolf
I have only 8 gigs so yeah
worn ember
I haven't maxed out my 32gb yet
mossy vessel
A few idea and mc instances and I'm at 28gb with ease
worn ember
Usually it's around 22gb
visual egret
hm if i add more 8GB sticks to my machine would it be bad for it?
native wolf
A few idea and mc instances and I'm at 28gb with ease
You must have set a large heap for them lol
formal turret
it depends oskar
vernal moth
Wsl is what often is taking the most for me
mossy vessel
You must have set a large heap for them lol
I just don't allow em to free something up 
vernal moth
Cause I use it extensively
mossy vessel
Tho I'll most likely expand it to 64 gigs or so, since ram is pretty cheap anyway
native wolf
Switched to dual boot cuz 10 year old hardware
upper flicker
wsl2 is nearly as fast as native so long as you stay in the VM filesystem
if you leave the VM filesystem, its worse
mossy vessel
I heard double speedo boost if in mnt 
upper flicker
like literally upwards of 40 minutes across the filesystem boundary
if thats a usecase you care about, stick with v1 until MS eventually yanks it
fallen oracle
Yeah I accidentally did that the other day and was really confused when it took like 47 minutes to compile Paper.
lean kiln
700 patches, and still builds in under 2 minutes. That's pretty nice.
imagine if it didnt use bash
paperweight wen
native wolf
wsl1 was a nightmare, i remember it taking around 25mins to build Paper
upper flicker
wsl1 took like 8 minutes here
native wolf
Builds in 5mins on Linux native
upper flicker
faster than windows native in git bash
then again 5 min on linux is also pretty slow
upper flicker
ah, rocket ship
I used to have a pentium dual core rocket, it did much better under linux as well
worn ember
Ah yes rockets
visual egret
grub question: do i need this quiet thing?
ashen cliff
Wanna see how P4 performs in 2021
Not good.
upper flicker
no
floral mesa
@native wolf cooking with intel I see?
worn ember
No
worn ember
You don't need anything
upper flicker
less shit on your boot up
maybe you want that to be more hackerman l33t though
if you regularly have problems booting the kernel, yes you should remove it
native wolf
<@!646414340152360966> cooking with intel I see?
The Core 2 Quad still serves me well so i don't need to change yet
upper flicker
otherwise eh
floral mesa
I generally dont suggest fucking with kernel args unless you know exactly what your doing
native wolf
removing quiet is fine
upper flicker
quiet is about the safest one you could mess with luckily
worn ember
What could go wrong
vernal bone
Just disable systemd, it's a bloat anyways 
upper flicker
netboot the whole system
native wolf
SysV masterrace
upper flicker
local storage is stupid
vernal bone
Good point
upper flicker
x11? we dont need that here
native wolf
x11 is still useful for nvidia users tho
vernal moth
We don't use display servers where we are going
upper flicker
nvidia working on xwayland acceleration though
by the end of summer it may be sane to run wayland on nvidia
until then though lol
worn ember
Z are you a linux main
native wolf
nvidia working on xwayland acceleration though
Pog, might switch then
worn ember
What's your main os?
upper flicker
windows now
floral mesa
KDE is in an odd position when it comes to wayland.
worn ember
Good boy
worn ember
No bad
floral mesa
they support it, but they "support" it
upper flicker
changed jobs, then covid WFH hit
whenever I end up going back into the office full time again it might go back to linux
who knows
worn ember
Fair
vernal bone
visual egret
looks like the VC tagging is A/B
native wolf
BSDs are nice actually
upper flicker
lots of network appliances running the bsds for that reason yeah
there was some debate over whether that was still relevant or just a legacy thing
what with all the work that goes into linux
I have no idea what the results of that were
BSDs likely still edge it out a bit
waxen panther
ok
worn ember
no clue what i'm supposed to do with this information
upper flicker
you use it to live your daily life
worn ember
nice
upper flicker
its very important to the fabric of society
you shouldnt go even a minute without factoring this information into how you make decisions
where was that guy who didnt understand sarcasm, someone find him pls
wide chasm
I'll only choose red products from now on
ashen cliff
BSD is good for networking if you use Intel.
worn ember
@wide chasm good choice
spare venture
Weirdo
spare venture
I don’t ever google “spigotmc”
So that’s probably misleading and not as 1:1 as you think
Whereas most are using “papermc” or even “paperspigot” for paper
vernal moth
Google can combine terms like that barty
spare venture
I find it hard to believe people are searching for paper more than spigot on google
woven otter
spijet dying 
vernal moth
It knows that you mean spigotmc when you google spigot
spare venture
I probably search paper once for every 25 searches for spigot, at least
formal turret
using google to find spigot threads for questions asked 3 years ago with no resolution 🙏
ashen cliff
Or someone telling the OP that their idea is stupid.
visual egret
md_5 saying everyone is stupid, my fav spigot thread
tropic flame
i still want to know where are the other 4 mds 
formal turret
the worst is when the person asking the question doesn't know any java so they never actually get any help lol
spare venture
Well they usually want someone to write the code for them
formal turret
actually you're right, they do get help
native wolf
But the most crazy thing on Spigot are those premium Skripts for like whole gamemodes xD
formal turret
are there?
worn ember
i remember asking on the forums how to use lists
and was told to go learn java, i hated those people lol
but they were right all along
waxen panther
and to this day, ded has still not learnt
worn ember
formal turret
i tend to not ask questions, i'd rather suffer spending 3 hours googling my problem
worn ember
i ask before googling kappa
native wolf
I try to solve it myself and then find it on stackoverflow later lol
formal turret
if i'm absolutely desperate i'll ask for help and then spend 15 minutes typing out my questions wondering if it's worth asking lel
ashen cliff
If I have to ask for something, the answer isn't index by Google.
ashen cliff
Already done.
formal turret
yea, ignored and then if you do find the answer eventually and you respond to your own question
then you get help
oh thanks where were you an hour ago
worn ember
half my SO questions never got an answer
but they were rather specific
so it makes sense
formal turret
yea the more specific you get the less chance anyone will be able to help you too
native wolf
The best thing is when you randomly wake up at like 3AM and you suddenly know how to solve the problem
formal turret
basically can't ask anything about gradle except in the very most general sense
worn ember
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58653321/imgur-returning-500-internal-server-error-for-binary-body i still have no clue till this day why it doesnt work xD
formal turret
lol
worn ember
life be sad ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tropic flame
and the "learn java before diving into Bukkit" guys, as if Bukkit is some sort of seven monster head
worn ember
well they're not wrong tbh
waxen panther
You should learn java first
native wolf
Yeah
worn ember
at least the basics
waxen panther
no one wants people in #paper-dev going err herp derp how do i make a array list
potent fossil
You should learn Java first, 100%. How are you gonna use a Java API without knowing Java
worn ember
yes which is often what people lack
ashen cliff
You should learn Java first, 100%. How are you gonna use a Java API without know...
Just watch me.
worn ember
do you even know java krusic
potent fossil
You should know how to use Maven/Gradle optimally and know how to use an API
worn ember
are you just a sys admin pleb
ashen cliff
No. I just know programming in general.
worn ember
tropic flame
i learned all those things while trying to get a plugin to work though, so maybe that's why I've got this opinion
native wolf
Language isn't important if you know how to code
tropic flame
but it's not that bad to try Bukkit while learning - you're just writing an app with a different entry point
it's not public static void main, it's public void onEnable
woven otter
just use skript 🙂
worn ember
tbh bukkit ws the reason i learned java
tropic flame
same
ashen cliff
Language isn't important if you know how to code
Except JavaScript.
frank otter
I don't hate javascript
native wolf
JS is a PITA imo
frank otter
it just could be a helluva lot better
it's passable for its intended job, as a Web script
native wolf
I tried getting into web dev and i quickly realized it's not for me
frank otter
much else not really
the upside of its unsafeness flexibility is its easier to write frameworks I think
worn ember
i made a snake game in js
was fun /s
and some audio spectrums
that was actually fun tho
worn ember
yeah kinda lost the vibe for it
not a fan of node
Configure native support for components wen
lean kiln
it has?
lean kiln
just use the configurate4 serializer
adventure-text-serializer-configurate4
it exposes a TypeSerializerCollection
worn ember
oh nice
waxen panther
me when ded
worn ember
https://github.com/KyoriPowered/adventure/blob/master/serializer-configurate4/src/main/java/net/kyori/adventure/serializer/configurate4/ComponentTypeSerializer.java yeah thats the one i want 😉
thanks
didnt know adventure had configurate support
lean kiln
nah you want to do ConfigurateComponentSerializer.configurate().serializers()
theres also a builder so you can for example use MiniMessage as the ComponentSerializer
waxen panther
worn ember
nah you want to do `ConfigurateComponentSerializer.configurate().serializers()`
hm what package is that in?
lean kiln
worn ember
wtf
waxen panther
ded needs new glasses?
worn ember
i mean i added the adventure-serializer-configurate4 dep but it has no clue about that class lol
and its not in my libs so guess i fucked up again
lean kiln
version 4.7.0?
waxen panther
put is transitive true on sponge ig
olive marlin
Inb4 Paper-api overrides it.
olive marlin
actually idk how to do that on maven
It's easy to do on Maven. Just run: gradle init first 😉
worn ember
jesus christ intellij, you ok bro
mossy vessel
Isn't the default state of transitivity always being true (maven & gradle) ?
lean kiln
in gradle it depends on the configuration
waxen panther
sorry i meant false
worn ember
i have both those depends anyway so it doesnt really need them
waxen panther
but yeah you can change it on gradlee
mossy vessel
gradlee
waxen panther
gwadwe
worn ember
this is why i cant get stuff done ever lol nothing just works for me xD
waxen panther
you do seem to attract problems
mossy vessel
Transitivity can be a bit ass sometimes ngl
waxen panther
just switch to gradle ? 😁
worn ember
i'll gladly use gradle if you convert it
mossy vessel
I really like leiningens managed dependencies in some cases
worn ember
but i'm not going to
olive marlin
gradle init can do quite a bit of work automatically.
waxen panther
if i convert it you wont know how to use it and then you're just going to have a bad time
olive marlin
Depends on the setup, will need to configure plugins obv.
worn ember
yeah and i dont want to learn gradle tbh, sounds like effort
mossy vessel
future proof you mean
waxen panther
this is why you always have a bad time
worn ember
olive marlin
When Paper will finally finish paperweight, I expect quite a few more people will switch to Gradle.
worn ember
i first want to get this trashcan working with adventure and configurate, then i can think about converting to gradle
mossy vessel
Groovy is fun
upper flicker
groovy is gross
lean kiln
why would you use groovy
waxen panther
WTF
native wolf
Kotlin > Groovy
mossy vessel
You are gross
upper flicker
even if you hate kotlin, at least it isnt groovy
tropic flame
When Paper will finally finish paperweight, I expect quite a few more people wil...
me? never.
waxen panther
only chads use gradle so dw
olive garden
you use Groovy for Gradle because StackOverflow can't really help if you can't figure out your Kotlin-Gradle issues
mossy vessel
Gradle scans have a fancy web ui, isn't that what every kid is into? smh
tropic flame
well tell me the advantage of having to run a full blown language just to compile a program
waxen panther
if you have 9 working braincells you can convert groovy to kts
wide hazel
friendly reminder: When was the last time you tested your backups? Do they still work? Do you have functional backups at all?
worn ember
does it have blockchain tho
waxen panther
well tell me the advantage of having to run a full blown language just to compil...
might be a "full blown language" but it's way faster 😁
lean kiln
well tell me the advantage of having to run a full blown language just to compil...
maven is not java, no
does not run on jvm
worn ember
friendly reminder: When was the last time you tested your backups? Do they still...
i took a backup once, couldnt even put it back when i needed it
waxen panther
no jmp!
worn ember
so didnt bother anymore xD
tropic flame
maven is not java, no
i wasn't talking about maven, i was talking about gradle
worn ember
good old windows
wide hazel
so didnt bother anymore xD
"I couldn't create a proper backup so I run with no backups" 😛
good talk
lean kiln
the point is maven uses a "full blown language" as well
upper flicker
friendly reminder: When was the last time you tested your backups? Do they still...
ya I keep them all on my c drive
waxen panther
but but but jmp ... xml is faster :(
worn ember
"I couldn't create a proper backup so I run with no backups" 😛
if pressing a button that says "make backup" does not make a good backup, is it really my fault?
lean kiln
maven is written in java and so are maven plugins
waxen panther
lean kiln
well other jvm langs work too
tropic flame
the point is I don't write that code myself
lean kiln
lol
olive garden
if pressing a button that says "make backup" does not make a good backup, is it ...
not making backups is your fault
wide hazel
if pressing a button that says "make backup" does not make a good backup, is it ...
sadly, the real world doesn't care if it's your fault or not. You lose that data, and it's gone forever
waxen panther
i dont have to write 10 lines of code i can write a 5 hundred line config file instead 😁
wide hazel
hopefully it's not important data
tropic flame
i dont have to write 10 lines of code i can write a 5 hundred line config file i...
i just copy paste and change only the relevant fields at this point
i don't see the issue
wide hazel
just here to remind. Enjoy!
worn ember
celest coyote
My backups don't need to work
waxen panther
wide chasm
I don't think I have ever made a backup of my files
olive garden
smh guys you are promoting bad practices
wide hazel
one more time--
friendly reminder: When was the last time you tested your backups? Do they still work? Do you have functional backups at all?
formal turret
lol i had one of my drives die and I still don't back anything up
wide chasm
Alright, alright, maybe I'll make a backup tomorrow
waxen panther
one more time--
friendly reminder: When was the last time you tested your backup...
no
NEVER
woven otter
i only have backups of uni stuff
celest coyote
Never backup gang
woven otter
imagine backing up something else tho
waxen panther
losing data is a good reason to redo it ammirite
olive marlin
looks at my 6+TB of storage dedicated to backups 
formal turret
correct
celest coyote
losing data is a good reason to redo it ammirite
how to get rid of technical debt the faster way
wide chasm
"Ah shit lost two months of code. Well, the code was shit anyway."
worn ember
just run a raid configuration
waxen panther
woven otter
you guys even have a dedicated drive for backups mfw
worn ember
what if your drive of backups fails tho
native wolf
"Ah shit lost two months of code. Well, the code was shit anyway."
This is too true
olive marlin
I have local backups in my PC, then there's my NAS and at some point there was B2, just nuked it and need to reconfigure it again.
wide hazel
what if your drive of backups fails tho
3-2-1 rule
3 total copies of the data, 2 different storage types, 1 offsite
if ALL of that fails then you are the unluckiest person in the universe
worn ember
with my luck i could be that guy xD
waxen panther
ded could have his data on every machine on the planet and he'd still lose it
wide hazel
nobody has ever been that unlucky, thankfully
but if you want to be extra safe those are minimums
5-3-2 would be better
worn ember
or have the datacenter burn out
tbh i dont have that much data i care about
90% is just games and random memes
wide hazel
if you have your data in 5 total places and two of them are halfway around the world from eachother then nothing's going to take that data away from you short from the world literally exploding
at which point you have bigger problems
and are likely dead
so little care
ashen cliff
Or just store it on Google.
woven otter
3 total copies of the data, 2 different storage types, 1 offsite
sounds like a lot of work
wide hazel
3-2-1 is a minimum, and really isn't actually that difficult
ashen cliff
KGB server storage is legit Fuse to GDrive.
wide chasm
I'm going through my data and I realise there's almost nothing there I care about
native wolf
well refreshing maven made it work
As always with Maven
woven otter
2 different storage types
wide hazel
personally, I back my PC up to my NAS, and back my NAS up to Backblaze B2. 3-2-1 right there.
"cloud" is considered a different storage type
olive marlin
What kind of NAS? Did you find a decent way to back it up to B2?
wide hazel
so 1 offiste can also be your 2 mediums
worn ember
print it out on paper
olive marlin
I had some manual cron jobs and docker crap setup 
wide hazel
What kind of NAS? Did you find a decent way to back it up to B2?
Qnap because I don't feel like managing a FreeNAS. There's an app that comes with it for doing offsite backups
easy 'nuff
olive marlin
I also have QNAP, but couldn't find an app to do it.
olive marlin
I swear I looked at it, pretty sure I have it installed.
wide hazel
specifically, the "sync" section
allows many different providers
B2 is cheap though
10 or so TB of data is like $8/mo for me
olive marlin
I'll need to take a closer look at what it syncs and if it has encryption.
modest path
i need a storage vps one of these days
wide hazel
it does
olive marlin
I have backup volumes unencrypted, but backups are encrypted.
wide hazel
encryption is optional
olive marlin
But then I have volumes which are encrypted, but contain manually put data (photos etc).
Great. Thanks!
I'll take a closer look at it.
woven otter
10 or so TB of data is like $8/mo for me
10tb wtf do you store there
olive marlin
10TB is nothing. Especially if you have video/photo projects.
ashen cliff
You keep under 100TB on the cloud? Weak.
olive garden
you store data on the cloud? weak... what if the internet goes down?
wide hazel
10tb wtf do you store there
the entirety of Reddit
no, seriously
use it for my ML projects
ashen cliff
you store data on the cloud? weak... what if the internet goes down?
Then I no longer need the data.
woven otter
use it for my ML projects
ahh makes sense then
void void
how do i fix this?
void void
Anyone know how to send a custom runnable over socket?
I succeeded in serializing it, but since it is an abstract class: the class cannot be found on the other side.
I need to run dynamic code remotely.
visual egret
remote code execution 👀
minor badge
https://github.com/EsotericSoftware/kryo look into whether this works for this use case
worn ember
make an impl of the abstract class then :p
minor badge
you will likely need the unsafe artifact
void void
make an impl of the abstract class then :p
But the code will have to be in the recipient's .jar in this case?
void void
I would like to send a Runnable where the code is not in the receiver's .jar.
This is in order to be able to debug without compiling / restarting the server 500 times
worn ember
idk how you want to execute code on the server thats not on the server
void void
Well, by receiving the Runnable via socket that it will have to run ^^
minor badge
Try out Kryo and hope it works 
worn ember
yeah but if that runnable contains classes that arent on the server its not gonna work
minor badge
otherwise might need to define an arbitrary class and invoke a method on that
void void
yeah but if that runnable contains classes that arent on the server its not gonn...
I will limit myself to a basic use of the classes of the Bukkit API ^^
worn ember
well the runnable type you're sending also has to exist on the server
abstract or not
void void
so as well just send a runnable identifier?
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tribal flicker
😳
worn ember
get yeeted
woven otter
haha
void void
void void
It's ... quite violent ... it sodomized me ...
I was just asking questions, I'm not supposed to know the API you offer, even though I've already started reading.
golden gust
It's quite practically everytime I see you that you ask a question which coulda been solved by two seconds of reading
pull your finger out of your ass
modest path
I believe what you're trying to do can be achieved in a better way
modest path
It's quite practically everytime I see you that you ask a question which coulda ...
chill zzz no need to roast him so hard
undone crest
how do we clear other player's ender chest and inventory?
I know /clear and /clearinvent but it only clears the inventory and not the ender chest*
And good morning from Philippines...
novel horizon
You could in theory delete the data of ender chest or you can delete it by hand, although not the best
worn ember
how do we clear other player's ender chest and inventory?
> *I know /clear and /...
are you looking for a plugin or code?
undone crest
I just want to know how I can clear a player's ender chest
worn ember
/replaceitem entity <player> slot.enderchest.#
undone crest
oh its fine, I already got it working but the player has to be on
I think the best way is just to delete the player's data
worn ember
oh yeah
undone crest
thanks buddy!
olive marlin
@undone crest OpenInv lets you edit offline user ender chests, not sure if they have clear command though.
undone crest
thank you! I deleted the player's data as punishment so when he joins again, it will appear as if he joined for the first time
oh yeah btw
do you guys know a plugin, that when a player gets banned, all his block history gets reverted
I saw that plugin before in an old server
for example, I cleared a mountain
then I got banned
the mountain reverted back and when I got unbanned, I had to clear the mountain again
olive marlin
Core protect. Prism.
olive marlin
I have CP, but switching to Prism soon.
potent fossil
that can backfire if 2 people work on a build together and then one gets banned and half the other person's shit (who may be innocent) gets fucked
worn ember
dont get banned ez
olive marlin
It logs everything you do and allows you to reverse every action.
But yeah, need to take many things into consideration.
Don't want to revert everything. What if someone paid in the shop?
potent fossil
Of course you can go back and undo the fucked up place 
undone crest
yes, so if I do /ban Ernesto10319, all of his base will get reverted back?
undone crest
I haven't banned anyone yet actually
olive marlin
And you can filter what is reverted.
worn ember
probably dont want to automate that process
olive marlin
If you'll read documentation for commands, it'll become clear.
undone crest
alright reading now ❤️
worn ember
ur just slow
visual egret
i dont think its listed anywhere in docs that i can do a: p: and other stuff
worn ember
when in doubt throw the pr card
waxen panther
🥱 🥱 closed source plugins 🥱 🥱
olive marlin
I wish I could modify CoreProtect to fix its stupidities.
visual egret
i dont even know what im doing half the time so i dont think i'd be the one PR'ing stuff to it
worn ember
any nub can write docs tho
olive marlin
I sometimes contributed without knowing language code was written in.
visual egret
well thats different
olive marlin
And for docs you don't need much, yeah.
Create PR, maintainers can comment on it.
At least you'll raise awareness that docs are lacking, without fully passing the work onto maintainers.
undone crest
just wanna share this btw
there are some rude people in the reviews section of some plugins giving 1/5 stars because the "feature" they want isn't on the plugin they are ranting on
visual egret
thats just end users
worn ember
welcome to spigot
where people think they're entitled to x or y just because they exist
News flash: the world doesn't owe you shit 😉
golden gust
humans are trash, prove me wrong
waxen panther
true !
worn ember
no way to prove that wrong sadly
waxen panther
so close to 5 stars ded 
cunning raft
can you get 5 stars after you've gotten a review that isn't 5 stars?
visual egret
if you try hard enough
spare venture
Would be stupid if it never rounded up at all
worn ember
I don't think you can tbh
It's mostly people being dum that rate it bad
But what can ya do
tribal flicker
If you take a moment to read some plugin reviews it's quite unbelievable what people manage to put together by spamming their keyboards
mossy vessel
Negative reviews have a higher weight than positive reviews
visual egret
hopefully hangar will have less dum people
mossy vessel
You can have like 50 5stars but 1 4star wont round it up
worn ember
Yeah
mossy vessel
Hopefully hangar has no review section or one I can mute because I hate notifications.
orchid lava
where can I ask questions for plugin development ?
worn ember
Lol
visual egret
mossy vessel
not that I'd give a shit about reviews anyway
ancient bolt
I mean I like the idea of shitty plugins getting labeled as shitty
but reviews suck too so idk
visual egret
reviews are okay
worn ember
Yeah and 4-4.5 stars is still great
tribal flicker
I don't know how to do something, here take 3 stars
ancient bolt
maybe we should pay people to review all plugins uploaded to hangar
mossy vessel
dbo 2.0?
worn ember
I'd gladly do that for you
waxen panther
broccolai resource moderator when 😔
visual egret
I don't know how to do something, here take 3 stars
hangar should have a message like: report bugs to the issue tracker on github! or something like that
would be pog
worn ember
Doesn't it already?
visual egret
idk
mossy vessel
Review more like Karen area
Doubt I've seen some properly written critics in some time on spoogot
s critics reviews
tribal flicker
hangar should have a message like: `report bugs to the issue tracker on github!`...
this is too sad
worn ember
Well at least it allows you go "completely broken doesn't do anything, backdoor"
mossy vessel
Great example why people do not understand reviews
worn ember
"report issue" button would indeed be nice on hangar tho
mossy vessel
But I don't want to report issues just want to leave a 1 star review!!!
spare venture
I think reviews are an important part but I don’t like spigots review system
visual egret
i love how in flask i can just do for loops in HTML, its just so neat
jade flax
or a way to have a review removed
tribal flicker
The spigot review system would work fine if people used it properly
worn ember
Well if you could remove them yourself it's kinda pointless
spare venture
Nah there are a lot of flaws
spare venture
Like they said, the only plugins that are 5 star are brand new plugins
spare venture
Maybe just remove the star rating and have a list of reviews, split into “liked this” and “didn’t like this”
mossy vessel
Just remove it overall? Nobody cares 'bout your shit
worn ember
Mm yeah. Like stores do: good points and bad points
spare venture
I think the star rating is pointless and doesn’t mean anything
tribal flicker
dude... Okay I'm done sending these 😂
visual egret
bruh
worn ember
@mossy vessel it's a good indicator to see what to avoid tho.
jade flax
ofc
visual egret
just the high iq end users
spare venture
People only leave reviews a lot of the time because star ratings require a written review, right?
mossy vessel
<@254790994594234370> it's a good indicator to see what to avoid tho.
Not necessarily.
jade flax
A good indicator of what to avoid: seeing spigotmc at the top of your browser
worn ember
If something has 40 reviews and has 4 stars you can assume it's at least decent
worn ember
Ok
mossy vessel
Taking some plugin with 3 letters has overall a great rating, yet it's nothing I want on any of my servers lol
Nor do those ratings actually reflect the state of the plugin
jade flax
ngl i personally base my decision on downloading a plugin on the download num and the update status
worn ember
There's ratings per version
mossy vessel
I don't look on ratings or downloads at all, whether it works or not
If it doesn't, I can yank it still.
spare venture
I actually look at the most recent reviews to see if a plugin is any good.
worn ember
As if you'd download a plugin with 30 1 star review saying it's broken af
spare venture
If the last 5 reviews are all bad, that’s a good indication of the plugin being bad or just started being bad
mossy vessel
Or the users are plain dum dum and not capable to use it properly
worn ember
At least half of them are somewhat competent
spare venture
At what point does it become the developers fault if no users can use it or they all have a terrible experience
mossy vessel
Never
spare venture
Lmao
mossy vessel
If you are too dumb to figure out ma code you are not worth using it
spare venture
Mhhhm
worn ember
Are you the guy that approves those shitty mobile apps with useless interfaces?
visual egret
which ones are we speaking about ded
worn ember
Any smart home app
mossy vessel
No, I am the one who writes them drawing da casherinos out of ya pockets
visual egret
smart home is bullshit unless its open source
vestal temple
Is it bad to host multiple minigame instances on one server
visual egret
or has a somewhat decent api
spare venture
Shut up Oskar lol
visual egret
Is it bad to host multiple minigame instances on one server
depends
spare venture
My favorite answer to every wuestion
worn ember
It's perfectly valid to blame the developer/designer for a shitty interface
vestal temple
Lobby + up to 6 concurrent instances of a minigame at launch. Then I can upgrade to a network system later
Or would that be unplayable
spare venture
like I said the reviews are a very important part, but the star rating system is definitely not really useful
IMO
visual egret
Shut up Oskar lol
party, it is though. the amount of times i try to automate this british gas bullshit to work with my code is uncountable
worn ember
Or would that be unplayable
We don't know any of your specs or minigames so we can only guess. Try it and see
waxen panther
british 
vestal temple
We don't know any of your specs or minigames so we can only guess. Try it and se...
I dont have a host im renting from yet
I wanna know what a spigot server can support in concept
Like what matters the most, CPU or ram?
And with a high end cpu + a good amount of ram, how many players could a server hold for a moderately heavy gamemode
golden gust
CPU
and nobody is gonna piss in the wind with numbers as it all boils down to many variables
(This is all stuff which has been discussed 200 times)
worn ember
Me pissing in the wind 
vestal temple
(This is all stuff which has been discussed 200 times)
Link?
merry talon
only 200?
vestal temple
I tried searching
couldn't find anything that really fit
I'm tryna understand how many players max can a 20 tick server can support with the best specs
waxen panther
merry talon
it.... depends...
spare venture
It’s tacit knowledge Kyrix
chrome oriole
like u know, when it says 'Player walking' 'rain' 'tnt exploding'
spare venture
You only really learn that kind of thing from experience
chrome oriole
ah thx :D
golden gust
I don't retain links to every single time this discussion comes up as it's all generally the same points
We're not gonna piss in the wind to give figures as people try to be asshats and hold us to them
"People said I'd be able to get 150 players, but, I can't, and NO! I WON"T REMOVE SKRIPT!!!!"
spare venture
“My server is entirely written in skript I CANT”
waxen panther
my skript anti-cheat is an essential part to my server thank you .
spare venture
jroy 
golden gust
Broc, the only essential part of you that I want is the splat sound when you complete falling off a cliff
void void
nvm
spare venture
😳
chrome oriole
Does anyone know the name of this sound effect?
waxen panther
@warm anchor wtf ?
mossy vessel
Why is there a fart at the end?
chrome oriole
it's 'um'
mossy vessel
mossy vessel
villager_fart.aa
chrome oriole
lol definitely not
golden gust
if you mean the first noise, it's one of the xp ones I think
chrome oriole
yes
golden gust
inventivetalent has a tool on her site which lets you play the sounds iirc
waxen panther
she has a tool for everything 
errant eagle
oh convenient
my suggestion was to just look around in the .minecraft folder and root around in anything asset related
lmao
spare venture
Sounds like experience, enchanting, or level up related
errant eagle
if you look in there and go to the assets file and index file you can find a bunch of indexed sound files tho so
even though i found that in a mere shot in the dark
errant eagle
wait really? neat
spare venture
I couldn’t find inventives site on google
Anyway, it shouldn’t be too hard to find with playsound and the list of sounds to look through
meager tusk
where?
warm anchor
<@!177150983258767360> wtf ?
This person is not affiliated with me 
waxen panther
they rule u
waxen panther
headache intensifies
lean kiln
@worn ember your plugins use acf right
do you use the brig module or not
looking for plugins to test my console pr with
left swift
unkempt drift
what's going on here #paper-help message
am I missing a joke or smth?
wraith trail
no he's just bad at jokes
I'm sure i've given him support before, he's not living under a rock
cunning raft
he's a moron
warm anchor
That’s an idiot...
unkempt drift
warm anchor
Lol machine is reading dudes entire history
jade flax
oh my
modest path
poor guy
cosmic raft
this is annoying
upper flicker
Im sorry kash 😦
potent fossil
sounds like development of carpal tunnel plz be careful
cosmic raft
be careful?
potent fossil
ye has to do with bad posture over a long time, optimally you should get something to brace your wrist
not a doctor tho so best case would be see one but idk if it's possible (sure aint possible for me atm)
cosmic raft
how old are you cat
golden gust
26
potent fossil
old
cosmic raft
ancient
upper flicker
wow cat
cunning raft
probably a "gift" for your rug
golden gust
a black eye
I was gonna say what jroy was thinking, but, why not both
two in one, extra love ❤️
cosmic raft
rip
upper flicker
I will get you a taco
formal turret
meh, ok i wrote out a design for an econ api and was wondering if anyone could look at it/suggest things to make it better
https://github.com/ExcessiveAmountsOfZombies/FortuneAPI/tree/main/src/main/java/com/epherical/fortune/api it's just 3 classes and it's based off my experience running a server and adding my own vault implementation on there
formal turret
under 13 hmmm
jade flax
oskar isn't
formal turret
isn't he 15? lol
waxen panther
13
warm anchor
It's a joke lol
jade flax
I'd rather not joke too much about that, it is a fine line after all
warm anchor
xD
short yarrow
Do SQL databases have locks? Like if you try to read and write to a row at the same time? I'd probably want to read after a write is successfully complete
merry talon
well, I'm not sure its called a lock in that context
but yeah it'll queue things up if you have a sane DB
ancient bolt
that depends on your database engine and the transaction isolation of your transactions
engines are typically defined on the database or table level, depending, and cannot be changed without a migration. transaction isolation can be set for each transaction
rancid latch
Do SQL databases have locks? Like if you try to read and write to a row at the s...
yeah, depending on engine and what you tell it to do
worn ember
looking for plugins to test my console pr with
I have brig enabled but i don't particularly use it for anything
golden gust
wrong channel, see log files
untold copper
owo
lean kiln
I have brig enabled but i don't particularly use it for anything
I basically just want to make sure it works properly or at least doesn't regress anything in regards to all the command frameworks
golden gust
itt: jmp wants to break shit and pretend its not his fault
left swift
Break ur shit
lean kiln
itt: jmp wants to break shit and pretend its not his fault
no
not this time
this pr is well tested
it even works with jroys disgusting use of the command map in essentials
golden gust
that's what they all say 😉
coarse lily
jmp pushed a PR that killed my houseplants once.
golden gust
literally the worse
coarse lily
Basically the devil.
coarse lily
Anti iPhone?
ashen cliff
Yes.
Additionally, all users on the iOS platform (including those aged 18+) will be blocked from joining and accessing NSFW servers. iOS users aged 18+ will still be able to join and access NSFW communities on the desktop and web versions of Discord.
ashen cliff
Apple ToS.
coarse lily
How does that make sense? Apple's ToS allows NSFW content in other apps.
ashen cliff
If your app includes user-generated content from a web-based service, it may display incidental mature “NSFW” content, provided that the content is hidden by default and only displayed when the user turns it on via your website.
golden gust
I mean, makes sense, tbqh
the fact that you can still join is kinda dumb, but, I mean, apples guidelines have never entirely made sense, and, with the rise of some "not so great" communities, there being a bar to prevent children entering some of these, I can understand it
vernal moth
Apple doing decisions for their users yet again
quasi valley
it's to fight the furries
woven otter
Hi kneny
quasi valley
Hello ducc
potent fossil
i installed a cat door for my spoiled ass cats and they thank me by leaving a huge dead rat directly outside of my bedroom door which I stepped on as I walked out to do something
golden gust
gg
golden gust
So, my upstairs neighbour other week was complaining, she said that apparently there was a mouse running around her place and ask me if I'd noticed any, and, well, I think with my oddball sleep schedules I kinda like, scared them away
potent fossil
i know they were, not mad at that. just didnt enjoy stepping on it
untold copper
i bet
golden gust
Theeen I went to bed early one night and left my meter cupboard door open, and, er... well, yea...
I got some traps and caught like 6 of the fuckers on saturday, like, 3 yesterday...
potent fossil
i would've given it to one of the snakes but 1) they are also picky bastards and refuse to eat the dead and 2) it was so big i doubt they could digest it yet alone swallow it
golden gust
thankfully bar the typical "am a tech person and leave shit all over the place", there ain't really any food laying around for them, so, they're pretty much hook like and sinker to the traps
potent fossil
all my pets are way too spoiled
merry talon
golden gust
Like, I gotta pick up random crap like my pi, a box of like heat shrink, is k
merry talon
am I misunderstanding the wording or is there absolutely no way this flies?
- All users on the iOS platform (including those aged 18+) will be blocked from joining and accessing NSFW servers.
apple is in on it
merry talon
you fucking wot
golden gust
apparently was apple ToS
quasi valley
make every channel nsfw and lock ios users out in the meantime, quick
golden gust
NSFW channels don't seem relevant
merry talon
like wat
golden gust
just servers, so it sounds?
merry talon
servers that are primarily based on nsfw content
potent fossil
why can't you do that sweepy
merry talon
idk this is bait
potent fossil
this isn't some sort of free speech platform, they can do whatever they want
matrix ftw
potent fossil
but also apple is making them do it, like cat said
merry talon
you don't look at nsfw content on your phone at all?
quasi valley
I have an iphone, but I'll watch and laugh as well
potent fossil
I actually don't intentionally use Discord in that way, no
And I don't have an iPhone anyway
merry talon
but that tos doesn't just affect discord
well actually, discord is just not attempting to get around it it looks like
potent fossil
But, even if I did have an iPhone, it doesn't affect me anyway
merry talon
since reddit managed to i think?
potent fossil
I mean, as long as NSFW is hidden by default for accounts which are marked NSFW, then Apple is 👌 with it
Which Reddit does
This is just Discord's impl of that
merry talon
Reddit has a toggle in their settings to consent to nsfw content
potent fossil
They're just going as far as marking an entire server as NSFW
Which Reddit also does, in the form of marking entire subreddits as NSFW
potent fossil
Yeah, if you're under 18. Seems good to me.
waxen panther
k stop being horny
potent fossil
What are you arguing here
potent fossil
That seems like a typo, as they contradict that elsewhere I think?
merry talon
hmm
merry talon
yeah no
potent fossil
Well, I don't have an iPhone and I don't use Discord in that way so I'll just kick back and watch 🍿
merry talon
so afaik, discord can do something similar to reddit but they just aren't
I don't have an iPhone but was planning to go that way for my next phone
potent fossil
Maybe they're just doing that temporarily to appease Apple until they think of a solution
So Apple doesn't blitz their asses
merry talon
perhaps
brittle aspen
anyone has a link to a free and proven anti x-ray
untold meadow
.xray
limber knot
visual egret
nope, they have safari
untold copper
lmao
worn ember
The rest of Europe: i don't think so
untold meadow
That's been Apple policy for ages - it's why Tumblr got removed from the app store for a bit
tropic flame
i know
worn ember
oh so thats why they dont allow nsfw anymore
wide chasm
Yeah, it overflowed into the negative
visual egret
Is there a point of checking hashes if HTTPS exists?
vernal moth
Yes
broken ibex
worn ember
hehe
modern steppe
spigot 🍴 paper 🍴 tuinity 🍴 https://github.com/TECHNOVE/Airplane
quasi valley
did you intentionally write "spigot is better than all of the latter ones"?
left swift
The fuck
cunning raft
ok
modern steppe
so many forks!
cunning raft
yes!