why would you call cat z?
#general
olive garden
tropic flame
I guess stackoverflow is my friend on this
magic river
He's been zzzcat so long no one remembers his real name
next frost
I guess stackoverflow is my friend on this
That's probably one of the few things where regex is easier to understand lol
magic river
I think I'd just add 4 substrings together
String foo = orig.substring(0, 1337) + '-' + orig.substring(1337, 9001) /* etc */;
Check the length first
olive garden
cuz it starts with z
okay big D
next frost
I mean, regex is totally fine in this case
tropic flame
That's probably one of the few things where regex is easier to understand lol
this was the accepted regex answer on that post:
uuid = uuid.replaceAll("(.{8})(.{4})(.{4})(.{4})(.+)", "$1-$2-$3-$4-$5");
UUID.fromString(uuid);
Could be made more clear ig
twin lagoon
@waxen panther 
magic river
Like tvtropes trap or like this is actually prager u trap?
twin lagoon
</google:816176849147002923> term: pbs eons
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by Michael#9600 - result 1 of 9
golden gust
tvtropes
twin lagoon
</google:816176849147002923> term: tvtropes
upbeat falconBOT
Requested by Michael#9600 - result 1 of 7
golden gust
assuming I got that right
basically, you watch one
and then you get a recommendation for another
and then another...
magic river
Dude I got lost in tvtropes for a week once
olive marlin
Did mxroute go away from using dns for their setup and does everything with IP addresses now?
twin lagoon
wdym
olive marlin
I just noticed all entries are tied to some ip address in their DNS management, while they used to point to taylor.mxroute.net
wraith trail
is mxroute actually any good? Was going to go with them a while back but their website turned me off
specifically the "lifetime plan"
waxen panther
mxroute epic
wraith trail
because a lifetime plan makes no sense
waxen panther
when gsuite up their prices again im gunna switch to mx fully
twin lagoon
<@&748618676189528155> it's time for warship™️
https://mxroute.com/docs/dns-overview/ only now i'm having a first look at this page
seems like they're using hetzner nowadays
dunno if i would want to go for mxrolute now that i see that
wide chasm
!ban @woeful estuary Advertising
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Banned Da Baby 2#1880 (Advertising) [1 total infraction] -- stefvanschie#7609.
limber knotBOT
aternos moment
twin lagoon
luckily am on a hivelocity node
mighty storm
Who even is dababy
spare venture
rapper
olive marlin
Ehh, I didn't have issues with them so far. And can't find any competition in sane price.
Just got surprised that they stopped using dns entries in their A/SPF records and use IP instead.
waxen panther
mxroutes blackfriday deals are 
worn ember
since i linked my steam account to epic i get the most random friend requests lol
olive marlin
Oh, they also made softfail the default now in SPF records, not hard fail.
quaint fern
Hello all, I've got some really rich players on my economy server and nothing custom for them to buy
Any suggestions?
limber knotBOT
what do you mean by economy
quaint fern
Basically a survival server
With spawners
And shit u can sell
I tier up the spawners until like 500k but I've got nothing after that
limber knotBOT
emotes should always work, trails, particles, cosmetic armour (eg: glass helmet,etc)
quaint fern
Tbh even If I just open a casino to get them paying money back into the server to bring everything down
minor badge
what in the fuck is your avatar (<3 kash), oskar?
olive marlin
Brocc he won't see your edits smh
waxen panther
idc
limber knotBOT
i am OskarZyg#9256 on discord
waxen panther
i will not submit to ircians!
minor badge
it's a lynx
limber knotBOT
some other oskar stole my name but what can i do about it
minor badge
please locate this oskar
limber knotBOT
ill hop onto discord to see what the deal is
minor badge
oh he's a 1.8 guy
magic river
I thought it was a mountain lion
visual egret
i wouldnt know
limber knotBOT
waxen panther
Bro!
minor badge
@waxen panther hewo
wow
meager tusk
na it's a lynx
FLOPPA!
ashen cliff
BIG FLOPPA!
woven otter
kurwa blyat
olive marlin
But you don't even live in Poland smh
worn ember
and i speak the language anyway
do you have to concentrate?
visual egret
what do you mean by that
ashen cliff
mossy knoll
lol
worn ember
exotic finch
ima report it to paper
it is a plugin problem most likely, not paper, hence not reporting it to paper..
mossy knoll
it was a joke
exotic finch
ok
mossy knoll
i turned on flyspeed 10 and flew into new chunks
visual egret
not pregenerating chunks 👀
visual egret
i have to write a 5 minute speech on gender rights/equality this is going to be painful
school is so fun
ashen cliff
Because you are Polish?
worn ember
just tell them about bread
mossy knoll
dude when i read that message i was confushed cuz i thought u said not pregnating chunks lol
worn ember
stuff them full of mobs
mossy knoll
ya ima have to pregenerate cuz im making an earth towny server with dynmap
visual egret
now that i think of it, would running an mc server on windows xp be faster than running it on ubuntu server ~20
mossy knoll
you want to be able to see the whole map on the dynmap @visual egret
worn ember
pregenning is overrated
mossy knoll
yeah i know but i have to generate the whole thing not just to like 20,000 blocks away
its a map of the earth
its an earth towny server
worn ember
lol people love making towny earth maps these days lol
visual egret
@ party look its your soulmate
im gonna make something special: map of mars that you have to colonate + bluemap
i beg to differ
worn ember
if you step outside you die
visual egret
big glass dome made out of armourstands no lag
spare venture
lol people love making towny earth maps these days lol
hot hamlet
Is there a known compact coral fan less tnt duper?
visual egret
creative mode
hot hamlet
Someone on my skyblock server made one and i cannot find a single one like it online
merry cave
anyone know a plugin that will shoot messages back when phrases are said in chat
so like you can offer instant help for questions?
visual egret
sounds interesting
ashen cliff
IRC bridge to #paper-help.
All chat msgs. 
winter aspen
y’all ever get invited to a discord server from a bot then get banned instantly
this has happened to me like 20 times now
visual egret
just pay a mod £6/hour to do it for you, smh these robots stealing our jobs
ashen cliff
They must just really hate you.
winter aspen
like damn i join then say “imagine botting to get members then i get banned before i even send it
like the second i tap the button i just get goned
visual egret
word blacklists exsist
winter aspen
speak of the fucking devil😂
visual egret
probably ban you if it includes "bot"
winter aspen
like damn stop inviting me if your gonna ban me
formal turret
it's because they want it to seem like they're the victims and other people are spamming their ip to give them a bad name
worn ember
*you're 
visual egret
ded do you have any friends
worn ember
about 3 and a half
visual egret
what counts as half a friend
worn ember
half a person
visual egret
what counts as half a person 👀
formal turret
the top half
worn ember
depends how you cut
formal turret
there is no brain in the bottom half so it's not a person
worn ember
they started
olive marlin
Do you guys have any recommendations for a Discord music bot?
I used to use Rhytm, but it was stupid loud and dialing in the correct sound level was a pain.
Then I used to self host Music Bot, which worked nicely, but haven't gotten around to setting it back up now after migrations.
I got recommended Jockie, but I'm not sold on it yet.
olive marlin
Yes, but with Rhytm I remember it being hard because you'd have to put it at like 17% or so, and 20% was too loud.
Like you can't really adjust it nicely.
worn ember
i really dont get music bots anyway
if you want to listen to music listen to music
somewhere else
olive marlin
But we sometimes put on some quiet music as mostly background noise when doing stuff together on the server.
worn ember
spoopify playlists
olive marlin
That requires people to install and run some external app. You'd be surprised how many people don't want to.
worn ember
sing together then
limber knotBOT
we need to speak about the duck. https://i.imgur.com/ugap5JK.png
olive marlin
I found Duck advertising his Yatopia fork.
runs
I have no idea why I thought about it, but now every time I see it I imagine it being their ad for the fork lol
worn ember
12 discs
olive marlin
Comes with 12 custom music disks - duck noises.
visual egret
it installs a resouce pack on all the clients that you cant turn off
worn ember
god, converting my config to configurate is a never ending cycle lmao, i need to create like 20 type serializers lmao
visual egret
btw is it true that paper was planning to blacklist FAWE at some point? I heard it somewhere but not sure if its real
golden gust
no
waxen panther
ded vs configurate once again
golden gust
somebody joked about it
waxen panther
lol why would paper blacklist fawe 
worn ember
i remember why i gave up on this xD
golden gust
but, it was never gonna happen
worn ember
i'm 3 levels deep 
4 more to go
olive marlin
One of the reasons why Configurate puts me off - seems like too much work for simple things.
twin lagoon
Do you guys have any recommendations for a Discord music bot?
I used to use Rhyt...
i used to selfhost JMusicBot
and Fredboat
those are options you could look into
mental meadow
I selfhost Sinusbot. I think that supports discord as well
worn ember
object mapper takes like 8 seconds to setup
its a bit trickier if you have objects inside objects inside objects, but maybe my brain just slow
waxen panther
how so
waxen panther
idk what you what you mean
also how many types does a rtp plugin need to serialise smh
olive marlin
JMusicBot has 137 commits while SexualRhinoceros/MusicBot has 1373 👀
And second one has just twice the "stars".
worn ember
quite a bit lol, everything is abstracted remember, all these contain subtypes and shit, its just a giant clusterfuck lol
shell flint
Hello, I'm new here
waxen panther
they look like objects that could just be config serializable
idk why you'd need a custom serializer for them
hello robo bloz zero seven!
olive marlin
Can it do "beans" without default constructors? One of the main features I've been missing in ConfigMe.
worn ember
they look like objects that could just be config serializable
if it was just regular objects sure, but most things are interfaces
maybe just having a common impl for all of them solves the issue tho 
waxen panther
worn ember
tbh you gave me an idea brocc thanqq
waxen panther
i have many ideas
shell flint
Okay I have a question about the performance of paper
waxen panther
bet
worn ember
.ask
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
shell flint
alr
I was wondering the possibility of a 1.16+ server network. I've been bored of 1.8.9, and wanted something new and interesting. Now I'm aware that newer versions of Minecraft server can be pretty unstable and unreliable, but I've been hearing about recent community server performance improvments to newer versions of Minecraft.
Now here's my question. Is it feasable to run a 10,000 player minigame server with minimal lag? Lets just assume I was gonna make a investment of 100k USD into server space, hardware and development.
no i dont have 100k usd to spend its just for the sake of question
worn ember
if you shard it properly its deff possible
zealous wedge
Can it do "beans" without default constructors? One of the main features I've be...
it can do records with constructors -- haven't written a field discoverer that applies the same logic to normal objects
it wouldn't be super difficult to write such a thing yourself though
worn ember
minigames weren't affected that much, its mostly survival that suffers
shell flint
oh okay
zealous wedge
if you wanted to be really naughty, you could register a custom ObjectFieldDiscoverer that used Unsafe to allocate instances
but that sort of thing is not something i want in main configurate
it's just easy to do since i already expose that extension point for guice integration :p
olive marlin
My case was I have multiple fields with the same Kotlin data class as type, but the class doesn't have sane defaults. But different config fields do have them.
shell flint
I also heard about a bug about how 1.13+ servers, when more than 24 players are in a chunk that the server's tps drops by a lot
zealous wedge
configurate can handle kotlin data classes too lol
lean kiln
configurate kotlin extensions are nice
zealous wedge
waxen panther
me when configurate 
olive marlin
Something like that - probably messed some Kotlin syntax up, haven't written in Kotlin for like 5 months now lol
data class Price(val amount: Int, val type: String)
@Configuration
class Config {
val first_price = ConfigBeanField(Price(5, "DIAMONDS"))
val second_price = ConfigBeanField(Price(9, "EMERALDS"))
}
rust naming scheme?
zealous wedge
yeah configurate can do that
lean kiln
wait I dont need to put @normal badgeSerializable on data classes if i use the objectMapper for data classes right?
olive marlin
rust naming scheme? <:meowflushed:811179322987118622>
Maybe, I've been sitting a little bit too much in Rust lately. I thought Kotlin had something like that though.
waxen panther
lmao
lean kiln
let me try removing it and see lol
zealous wedge
oh yes you do
it's just when you call the object mapper directly rather than going through a node it doesn't check
so you could make it an implicit thing if you wanted
lean kiln
lol why is that not in configurate
zealous wedge
can't reference kotlin things directly from configurate core
lean kiln
oh yeah hmm
lean kiln
thats what I meant, in extra-kotlin
zealous wedge
easier to just say everything needs @ConfigSerializable
lean kiln
yea
zealous wedge
i should make the tests more consistent though
olive marlin
and Fredboat
It is dead. The opensource repo went archived and is now developed privately for BotLabs.
But JMusicBot looks good.
twin lagoon
lol wtf
olive marlin
Idk what I wrote there lol
olive marlin
Yup. They bought Carl and yapgdb
worn ember
does paper not run on j15? 
lean kiln
it does.
worn ember
i'm getting a java.lang.SecurityException: Invalid signature file digest for Manifest main attributes
lean kiln
maybe your jar is corrupt somehow
worn ember
odd
spare venture
ded u eat dinner yet u fuk
worn ember
i have for like 4 hours lmao
spare venture
worn ember
been working on porting rtp to configurate
yeah idk paper isnt liking java 15
same issue on latest
olive marlin
Many people run java 15
waxen panther
i have paper on j15 rn
olive marlin
I think Phoenix does too, for example.
why it gotta break for me then smh
zealous wedge
i'm getting a `java.lang.SecurityException: Invalid signature file digest for Ma...
fix your shading
maven shade plugin is missing some exclusions i think
zealous wedge
on configurate
lean kiln
lol maven users
lean kiln
wait before I say that does shadow have the same problem?
zealous wedge
nope, shadow does the exclusions properly
lean kiln
interesting
zealous wedge
yeah, that's during the plugin search
lean kiln
the trend is usually I find a shadow bug, and then I find out it's a bug inherited from copy pasting code from maven-shade-plugin
worn ember
sigh i wouldve liked it if it was papers fault lol
zealous wedge
<filter>
<artifact>*:*</artifact>
<excludes>
<exclude>META-INF/*.SF</exclude>
<exclude>META-INF/*.DSA</exclude>
<exclude>META-INF/*.RSA</exclude>
</excludes>
</filter>
why is this an issue in j15 suddenly?
zealous wedge
probably made some sort of validation stricter
spare venture
potent fossil
@spare venture https://static.jacobandersen.dev/shared/🍴🦅🥣🛎🤬.png
good day to everyone else
potent fossil
doge
spare venture
can’t forget the +c
potent fossil
never forget your constant of integration bart, if you forget that then you're not doing math you're just an idiot
mental meadow
whats a math
spare venture
I mean it’s wrong to forget it but man it sucks when you are just learning calc
Super important for diff eq tho
potent fossil
kek
Kinda rare that I don't have bounds these days tho, i mean, even when making up a random one i'll have bounds from 0 to something
Anyway throwback to January 1 2020 and leaf was teaching me limits for calc 1
potent fossil
whats a math
ur a cyoot
mental meadow
im a confused
potent fossil
potent fossil
modest path
https://tenor.com/view/uw-u-kawai-pixel-art-gif-18479272
Delete this
potent fossil
no
modest path
Damn
mental meadow
no
zealous wedge
simple uwu
potent fossil
uwu
modest path
Don’t actually have anything against uwu
wild escarp
uwu
lean kiln
where is the minister of uwu
spiral robin
Hello
potent fossil
@spiral robin !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
spiral robin
modest path
Frustration is mounting
zealous wedge
@spiral robin ! :3
waxen panther
potent fossil
@waxen panther ! <3 hi
spiral robin
@waxen panther @zealous wedge omg!
zealous wedge
hi brocccc
waxen panther
Hello!!!
simple did you see jdbi 3 was released
i mean, caffeine 3
it was a few weeks ago now, java 11 requirement
zealous wedge
java 8 is 🦀
olive marlin
Java is 🦀
olive marlin
You don't have to be smart. Just hit compile and apply all fixes that compiler tells you to.
waxen panther
sorry am too dumb
waxen panther
i will stick to c until my brain doubles in size
cunning raft
i compile empty file and it not tell me what to do??????????
waxen panther
see, jroy gets it
zealous wedge
just write prose and the compiler converts it to rust
olive marlin
Some time ago Rust added native support for compiling for atmegas and stuff. I hope my ESP32 will arrive soon and can try it out.
olive marlin
just write prose and the compiler converts it to rust
Yuou mean - become a Rockstar Developer and use https://github.com/RockstarLang/rockstar?
zealous wedge
Ideal
olive marlin
There's only python, c++ and Ruby transpilers though.
Need to write one for Rust.
livid wren
oh yes. I start working on some TUI stuff for Minecraft server management today
uh this is going to end up being really confusing
olive marlin
reminds me of Caml
https://github.com/joaomilho/Enterprise#syntax
The instructions must be ended with three semicolons (;;;). This a) adds clarity to where it ends, b) beats OCaml by 1 and c) makes your ; key weathered over time, so it will look like you work a lot.
wraith oracle
lmfao
void void
this is a random question but I dunno where else to ask
So just curious
if a partnered server owner transferred server ownership, is the badge transferred?
lean kiln
the badge?
peak ginkgo
Not automatically
void void
partnered server owner badge
lean kiln
oh
peak ginkgo
The partner will lose their badge and must ask support
void void
The partner will lose their badge and must ask support
how long do you think it’ll take for a transfer
peak ginkgo
And you've gotta have a damn good reason
Eh I don't interact with support a lot
Week, absolute max
true canyon
void void
Week, absolute max
Thanks
ancient bolt
copying 100GB from a sata3 SSD to a PCIe 4.0 SSD is pretty funny. The SATA SSD is peaked on read, 100% utilization, the NVMe drive is barely over 30% write utilization
magic river
Aww, even with two of the same monitor if I let them go to sleep Windows fucks up all my window positions when I wake them back up
ancient bolt
but it's only that high because I'm also downloading something onto the NVMe drive too at 60MB/s
so the write rate on that drive is 200mbps higher than the read rate on the SATA drive
magic river
Wow one of the fixes on MS forums actually worked
ancient bolt
no way
magic river
Went in Device Manager, Show hidden devices, uninstalled all the old monitors it thought I had including (probably key) the "Generic PnP Monitor"
viral hornet
822450359577870336 Spam bot
golden gust
!userinfo 822450359577870336
waxen panther
camm moment
golden gust
!info 822450359577870336
thorny flickerBOT
goofyFlamingo1#9280
requested by electronicboy#8869
golden gust
is banned already
viral hornet
oh yeah wtf
viral hornet
no mutual servers
zealous wedge
maybe they fired off a message before they got banned?
viral hornet
idk, I only just got it now
warm anchor
Check other communities. They aint just on this one Camm
golden gust
chances are they just slipped in
there was a raid which seemed to have mostly been thwarted off
looks like we was the original attackee, however, so 🤷♂️
native wolf
There were bots in Tuinity 5 minutes ago
waxen panther
clapped by epic tuinity mods .
zealous wedge
were they tho
waxen panther
yes 😡
golden gust
we saw them like 30, 40 minutes ago
pretty bot auto clapped them for us
I didn't evenhave to move a finger, was awesome
lean kiln
tuinity is developing a high performance anti bot bot
void void
anyone have a faster startup time?
void void
wat. show me
potent fossil
ez, just heb no plogen
native wolf
I'm on a pc with a 10 year old cpu
void void
pulsar wigeon
golden gust
and java 14
pulsar wigeon
mine doesn't have a time
golden gust
not paper?!?!?!?!?!?!!!
zealous wedge
java 14? 
void void
https://i.imgur.com/tnaczsR.png
me when start up time is -1:
waxen panther
uh yeah any gamers?
barren whale
Did anyone else just get hit with more dms
pulsar wigeon
dont ping me thx
void void
u h i d o n 't s p e a k t h i s
golden gust
ah, yea, looks like the time was added in paper
pulsar wigeon
idk cat, https://i.imgur.com/ltiMM1K.png
native wolf
Did anyone else just get hit with more dms
Doesn't seem like it
golden gust
and yea, I totes remember to update java
pulsar wigeon
doesn't look like paper to me
golden gust
smh
native wolf
idk cat, https://i.imgur.com/ltiMM1K.png
Oh my God that's old
pulsar wigeon
golden gust
wiz
native wolf
What the
golden gust
I already had little faith in you
pulsar wigeon
runs
golden gust
and now, it's just all washed out
barren whale
Yeah I was here for that
upper flicker
any other mutual servers that were hit could also cause it
cosmic raft
heh
barren whale
I forgot to check the mutual servers before I closed the dm
cosmic raft
someone on spongeapi having fun with adventure
warm anchor
are we flexing this now??
cosmic raft
native wolf
I got a dm because Tuinity was also hit
upper flicker
best we can do, yell at discord
barren whale
And I’m not gonna bother finding it
void void
are we flexing this now??
hell yea we are
void void
https://gyazo.com/6083e1ab96bd3a69652d0135a9dfca83
how.
potent fossil
lol
zealous wedge
adventure :p
native wolf
Nice
barren whale
Sponge is cool
warm anchor
That's pretty cool now I can see my lag in real time 
barren whale
Pain
native wolf
Sponge is cool
But they still haven't moved from 1.12 lol
true canyon
https://gyazo.com/6083e1ab96bd3a69652d0135a9dfca83
I like the way the memory and mspt climbs.
native wolf
They’re working on it
I know but it's been forever
zealous wedge
But they still haven't moved from 1.12 lol
that's a 1.16.5 screenshot :p
barren whale
I like the way the memory and mspt climbs.
mfw the leaderboard has a memory leak
upper flicker
you can use it now but its not ready for prod
keep pestering them until it shows up on the main site
golden gust
RELES OR BE DEADEDED!
zealous wedge
just beat gabe with a pipe until he finishes the new downloads page
barren whale
It will be there soon (tm)
barren whale
™️
warm anchor
™
barren whale
Discord can do it too ig
golden gust
Not to mention, ™
warm anchor
ALT+0153 works btw
golden gust
so easy
barren whale
Lol
golden gust
SO EASY ETERNITY
warm anchor
for windows
golden gust
™
barren whale
ALT+0153 works btw
Mobile pain
native wolf
Discord's tm is the stupidest thing in existence if you use dark mode lol
upper flicker
Not as good as ‽
warm anchor
just type `:tm:`
stop it with logic. We dont need that
golden gust
oh god
warm anchor
ALT+0153 actually typed :tm:for you on Discord
golden gust
Who was it who used the interrobang religiously
Somebody needs to go find dumrield and drag 'em back in here
peak ginkgo
Y'ALL ROCKIN WITH ALT CODES? ⁉️
warm anchor
damn owner rank
void void
i mean, everyone here is atleast an owner of a server
me when my credit card gets declined:
spare venture
everyone huh
zealous wedge
most of the people here don't even run servers lol
void void
golden gust
most people have jobs or uni/college/school, etc
by the time you add on dev stuff, the amount of time to actually run/manage a server is minimal
zealous wedge
what normal people say is "hobby"
void void
yep
coarse lily
It makes me chuckle how few of the people writing servers/plugins/etc actually play the game or run a server.
If I sent cat screenshots of 1.16.5 he might be like "WTF is that?"
zealous wedge
yeah, i stopped really playing around when they added pistons to vanilla
coarse lily
Yeah.
golden gust
my health already limits brain time, and I don't really wanna spend time playing a game I work a lot in
coarse lily
Haha
void void
coarse lily
I took a pretty big break, but started playing again with some friends.
void void
what is that
zealous wedge
cats i can get behind
potent fossil
yeah i dont play mc at all, yet 80% of my programming projects are minecraft related
livid wren
I've not played Minecraft or really programmed in a while :c
left swift
Simp just too grown up to play games anymore
coarse lily
He's only playing games with my DMs now.
potent fossil
Mfw ocelot has only ever sent me exactly 2 messages. One was "Hahaha" and the other one was "Doh!"
coarse lily
That about sums me up.
potent fossil
left swift
That url 
potent fossil
beautiful right
left swift
potent fossil
ok weird pokisimp
spare venture
stoic crater
potent fossil
1.7 
potent fossil
If your definition of fun is pain then yes it's a blast
livid wren
I mean that's kind of programming in general
I just feel like if I learn Java, I'd only ever use it for Minecraft
I have Rust and Python for just about everything else
except for stinky web-dev, but I can still use either for backend
potent fossil
i use java for backend
spiral robin
Web dev 
golden gust
depends on your long term goals
jade flax
python is dead runs
livid wren
python is dead *runs*
Isn't it the most popular language right now?
spiral robin
zzzcat
livid wren
depends on your long term goals
ngl, from what I've seen with Rust... it kind of is the future
golden gust
You're more likely to find a job looking for java than python, outside of data sciences, etc
jade flax
^
golden gust
tell that to enterprise
cool languages are cool, but, when your primary intake it java devs from uni, and senior java devs, etc, sticking to java makes sense
it's the same reason why PHP is still big
zealous wedge
if you use Java there will be work for you until the end of computing
golden gust
Sure, there are pretty and fancier alternatives for many things, but, not every company can or wants to flush out their entire dev base
golden gust
top paying doesn't really go into the full picture
livid wren
I know, that's why I said it was kind of unrelated
but it's a promising language, growing constantly
golden gust
at the end of the day, it's a programming language
jade flax
just some 1's and 0's
golden gust
you may or may not care to learn it, but, there's always gonna be jobs for it
zealous wedge
like half of that is just weighted by languages that are trendy in the Bay area which is stupid expensive
livid wren
Sure, but idk what I'd manage to use Java for outside of Minecraft
like in the long-term it doesn't seem worth it
jade flax
plenty of things
golden gust
rust is still kinda new in the scheme of things, who knows if it's gonna take off as big as java is in the enterprise world
zealous wedge
any relevant salary information needs to be adjusted for cost of living
spare venture
That survey seems weird? Developers in the US at least make way more than any of those
livid wren
I mean even Discord uses some Rust now
spare venture
Hell, starting salary for CSE at my school was an average of like $80k
In Washington/California it’s $108k (from my school)
golden gust
I mean, discord is hype tech
golden gust
None of their tech decisions really make sense when you look at the huger side of things
they don't even do their own voice calls
livid wren
None of their tech decisions really make sense when you look at the huger side o...
They had an entire blog article about how Rust was what they needed
zealous wedge
cost of living works out differently
yeah, discord jumped from one hipster language to another lol
Go to Rust
golden gust
yea, cool, and if rust didn't exist that would be a bible on whatever fancy language they thought would fit the bill
jade flax
why stick with one when you could have two
livid wren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden gust
rust is better than C for many dozens of reasons
spare venture
Ya but that’s basically saying USA pays twice as much. Sheesh
livid wren
idk, I notice that more and more people are starting to notice Rust
jade flax
costs quite a bit to live in america
livid wren
I'm new to the entire scene, only about 6 months of experience in general
jade flax
especially on the west coast
golden gust
these languages take off to varying degrees
spare venture
Wish it were divided by region
I would expect Western Europe cost of living to be similar to like the Midwest USA
livid wren
I mean Java manages to be the 8th most dreaded language
golden gust
some rando company will see some fancy new language and their hipster dev team will all stand behind it, either through their own joy or through "that one guy on the team"
subsequently, that guy leaves leaving people with a niche codebase, niche languages = good pay because shit we gotta get somebody
in a few years if rust takes off, it'll be no better sallary wise than most of the other languages in existence
livid wren
jade flax
How to get quick cash: learn niche languages /s
livid wren
I mean in general, it seems to be growing
Stackoverflow favorite for... 5? years in a row
golden gust
Well, yea, it's better than C
waxen panther
i like java 
jade flax
java likes you
waxen panther
woah
jade flax
golden gust
in a few years the hype will have reached it's peak, there'll be a shitton of rust jobs and the sallary will be on par with most languages
by that point, some new hipster lang will be taking over the scene
this is not a new cycle
waxen panther
block_ha
golden gust
if you wanna learn java or not, that's on you, but, these trends happen all the time
golden gust
maybe it'll reach java legendary status, maybe some other language/stack will take over 🤷♂️
livid wren
idk, 5 years in a row
the favorite thing, I mean
It seems promising, and kind of fits nearly every use-case
Granted it's newer to the scene and not everything is perfect
but it's kind of got a place in every single aspect
waxen panther
there's never going to be a language thats perfect for every usecase
livid wren
Well, I'd argue that Rust is kind of the closest we've got
jade flax
stares at binary
golden gust
I bet that UI support is shit
livid wren
I know that game-dev in Rust is slowly becoming a thing
There's some slightly-broken game on Steam written in Rust
anyways... I feel like Rust on the rise and Java is on the decline
I really don't ever hear of anyone using Java outside of Minecraft, but maybe I'm just not in enough communities
There's Kotlin for Android dev, but that's a little different
golden gust
java is really big, especially in enterprise
wraith trail
Theres all sorts of things written in java other than minecraft that are big.
golden gust
Like, it might not be the best solution for everything, but, the amount of support and the community backing behind it is mature af
java will still likely be strong in 10 years
livid wren
idk, I still don't know of any big things programmed in Java besides Minecraft
magic river
We do code katas every week at work and we've started doing Rust ones, I think my boss is trying to tell us something 😛
livid wren
oh. well there's the Jetbrains IDEs
potent fossil
Yeah first thing that comes to mind is Netflix.
They helped revolutionize microservices in Spring
magic river
spring and "micro" don't really go together 😛
golden gust
at the end of the day, the ecosystem moves fast
in 20 years we'll be all praising behind some other language in the ecosystem
potent fossil
I didn't say they built microservices in Spring, but they built the infrastructure for it and it's still there
golden gust
learning new languages is a skill that I'd keep some level of investment in, as rust is gonna be replaced by something else in the future
livid wren
I mean languages like C/C++ have been around for a while, but it feels like their only advantage over Rust is that they're more popular
golden gust
defo don't put all your eggs in one basket
potent fossil
I think they're finally replacing it with Spring Cloud though
magic river
What you really want to do is jump on a seemingly dying language
golden gust
if you want a top paying job, go learn JCL
magic river
😄
livid wren
What you really want to do is jump on a seemingly dying language
... Java?
magic river
COBOL or Perl, although a lot of Perl stuff is going to be tiny companies who don't pay much
livid wren
Perl is "associated" with highest salary, according to StackOverflow
jade flax
outside of mc
magic river
Java isn't popular in the open source space, no
livid wren
idk, I feel like Rust is more than just some random trend, though
I mean it's new, but that's kind only one of few downsides
waxen panther
that's what they always say
golden gust
No, there's a lot playing behind it
as for how popular it will end up in the end, who knows
waxen panther
learn whatever you want, if you wanna be a great dev you'll need to learn more than one eventually anyawy
golden gust
This industry moves fast
magic river
Rust has been stable for 6 years and still growing so it's probably going to be here to stay
golden gust
for all we know rust gets killed off next year by some language, but, realistically, ^
Just, if you're banking on it for the high salary, as it gains more popularity, that's likely gonna disappear
magic river
Rust is what you write infrastructure and/or plumbing in though, not so much your business logic
jade flax
then again, i wouldn't just learn a lang for high salary
magic river
I mean, you can, but you should probably use a higher level language
livid wren
Well, Python + Rust is kind of great
golden gust
Yes, but the hiring world doesn't care what you think is great is the thing
which is why java is always a good bet because there is so much infrastructure invested on it already
livid wren
Wasn't Yelp using Python and Rust via interface?
magic river
Python jobs used to mean Django, now it means ML or analytics
waxen panther
lmfao
magic river
Last time I marked myself as looking for work on github and linkedin I got a ton of recruiters for ML stuff because I list my open source python work from back when Linux desktops were betting big on Python
livid wren
Man, I don't even remember what Yelp is
magic river
Now I only use my Python skills to port Python to TypeScript 😛
potent fossil
python is used in my physics class
waxen panther
potent fossil
eternity i finally reached ar 15 and ascended
vestal jasper
NO SLEEP TILL BROOKLYN
warm anchor
yeah
vestal jasper
sup
warm anchor
it's honestly bad
potent fossil
wtf
livid wren
I might try learning Java, but it also sounds like a mess to program with
why must everything be a class D:
golden gust
Not really
golden gust
I mean, it's OOP over the top in some respects
vestal jasper
I always sup you
potent fossil
it's time you started simping me instead
golden gust
But, like, if you're familiar with java and the tooling, it's really not that bad
I prefer kotlin to java, but, java poses no harm at all
vestal jasper
livid wren
idk, I had a look through IntelliJ and the whole artifacts and libraries and modules stuff
golden gust
use maven or gradle
don't use your IDE
Nobody sane uses the IDEs built in compiler
livid wren
am I high in thinking that IntelliJ has Maven and Gradle support
golden gust
it does
any competent java IDE supports them
they're basically the defacto in the community
livid wren
Not that I really understand what either are
golden gust
(ofc, there's always old companies using legacy crap, but, these days...)
livid wren
Is it like.. CMAKE?
livid wren
Right, does sound like make
golden gust
the fact that it's a general tool means that you don't even need to open an IDE to build
and, practically all IDEs are capable of importing maven/gradle projects
livid wren
Sounds so... messy, though D:
magic river
Welcome to compiled languages
potent fossil
CMAKE is on a whole different level of disgusting to work with than is Maven or Gradle
golden gust
it has some sore points, but, it works well once you're familiar with it
waxen panther
ninja moment !
i had to use whatever the c# dotnet one was a little while ago and it was the worst experience of my life
magic river
Even interpreted/JIT'ed languages you're going to want to write a build tool for so you can package them up
waxen panther
cake or something
livid wren
Well, I mean in Rust... all we do is fill out our Cargo.toml and run cargo build
potent fossil
Maven is fill out pom.xml and mvn clean install
golden gust
it pulls dependencies from repositories magically and deals with dumping out the result
potent fossil
Gradle is fill out build.gradle and gradle build
livid wren
I guess it must be the xml that throws me off
golden gust
gradle uses groovy or can use kotlin based build scripts
the kotlin stuff is really nice
livid wren
in Rust, "filling it out" is just adding a line like module_name = "version.number"
waxen panther
🥺 🥺 kts build scripts 🥺 🥺
golden gust
only horror of gradle is it's pro in that it moves fast, so, sometimes you'll hit some dumb issue and the info for it is kinda meh or has changed
but, for most stuff, it's generally fine
magic river
Maven and Gradle are more abstract so you have to tell them how to actually build things too but that's boilerplate, the main bit you care about is just dependencies and their version, same as with cargo
livid wren
I mean a lot of Java seems to be boilerplate
magic river
Well, sure, but if you know Java I know a place you can go make $70k without being very good
You just have to not fail the interview
livid wren
:T
magic river
And there are a huge number of those places, Java is the language of choice for big business
livid wren
I just wish I didn't have to learn Java for Minecraft
ancient bolt
yeah 70k is easy to make with java anywhere in the US, including in the midwest / cheap states
livid wren
what happened to Bukkit wanting plugins to be in any language \😩
golden gust
it runs on java
golden gust
if you wanna create a plugin loader which offers the bindings you can
the API supports that
waxen panther
cries in uk dev salary
pulsar wigeon
i mean, there exist(ed) loaders for other languages in the past
livid wren
If you're not a fan of Java (we don't blame you), Bukkit's design allows for plugins to be written natively in any language with ease.
Just, it's a very niche thing
magic river
The plugin system is pluggable so you can write plugins using Jython or Groovy but someone has to write that plugin loader
golden gust
^^
livid wren
ah, that'd make more sense. .-.
ancient bolt
write you plugin using native C https://github.com/DemonWav/wat
magic river
Is that using a custom C interpreter or graal?
ancient bolt
hahahahaha
warm anchor
Native, C-based Bukkit plugin API. Please don't actually use this.
magic river
Oh god is it JNI?
ancient bolt
yes
magic river
Fuck you
golden gust
😄
ancient bolt
doesn't really implement anything though. I want to come back to this and implement all of it via ridiculous amounts of generated JNI code
but this is a real plugin written against wat, it actually legitimately uses the Bukkit API over native C bindings through wat and legitimately works, but it's also one of the only plugins you could possibly make using wat cause so little of bukkit is covered https://github.com/DemonWav/signz-rust
wraith oracle
why do you hate yourself so much
ancient bolt
good question
golden gust
apparently our generation is basically depressed as all shit
I think that explains a lot about this community, really
magic river
I just wish I didn't have to learn Java for Minecraft
You could work on this instead https://veloren.net/
livid wren
idk what that is but it looks almost exactly like Trove
stoic crater
idk what is the problem
magic river
lol Trove
livid wren
I used to play it a ton a few years back \😩
magic river
This is/was a clone of Cube World which predates that
It was supposed to be the next Minecraft
livid wren
Seems cool
wraith oracle
smartscreen is doing everything it can to make me not install the launcher
stoic crater
What is the problem here? I'm using java 8
golden gust
wat
void void
mongodb != mysql
stoic crater
ye
golden gust
You're still using an unsupported version
it still tells what the issue is
as for debugging it, probs network related, shit happens, on the plugin or whatever to deal with it
unless your setup is borked 🤷♂️
the fact that you're telling it to use 3306...
stoic crater
I tried with 3306 but the problem persist
potent fossil
that sucks, your version is still unsupported tho so we can't really help here. that mc is literally almost a decade old
.g how old is minecraft 1.7.10 now
limber knotBOT
potent fossil
ah no 7 years, im rounding up tho
golden gust
even if it was a supported version, we can't help you, as I've already said
your issue is with your mongo setup
stoic crater
ok ty bro
potent fossil
@warm anchor i looked at the genshin channel for .5 seconds and saw someone doing 460k damage
me: barely causing 300 damage and sometimes dying to shields
🤡
mental meadow
I was thinking about trying out genshin
untold copper
ono
potent fossil
It's a fun game
untold copper
our offline classes got suspended :c
we had them for like 6 days and now they're suspended smh
potent fossil
it's almost like it's universally too fucking early to go back and yet all these braindead politicians can do is keep sending people back and taking them back home and instituting lockdowns
but that's the tea
untold copper
sad
I was actually doing good in school because I could go there and focus
instead of dumb online school
untold copper
lol rip
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@potent fossil do you know if there's a Jackson annotation to let me serialize and deserialize a long as a string?
potent fossil
I do not
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vernal moth
@JsonSerialize(using=ToStringSerializer.class)
@JsonDeserialize(as = Long.class)
@minor badge
potent fossil
minor badge
@JsonSerialize(using = ToStringSerializer.class)
@JsonDeserialize(as = Long.class) // Is this really necessary?
private long longValue;
?
livid wren
Why not test?
minor badge
because it'd be at least a ±500 diff
livid wren
Oh, in Rust I always have a random project to test small things in
tbf I could probably use the test feature, but I've never really bothered
vernal moth
Idk if you use your getter/setter or the field for serialization
And both annotations are required, they go only one direction
Kek i just triggered an easter egg in chrome mobile i didn't know about
And I can't replicate
I pinched my fingers around, and it was rotating the page around, not in the tab view but on the actual page
potent fossil
help i somehow set my firefox address bar to RTL text
lmao
woops, guess i pressed shift+ctrl+x when i meant just ctrl+x
livid wren
I always end up doing ctrl + shift + C/V in my browser
I forget that's really only in terminals \😩
cosmic raft
<@!698668938661331045> do you know if there's a Jackson annotation to let me ser...
why do you even want to
spiral robin
goodnight kash
cosmic raft
nini aber
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indeed it is
also just realised I already ("erroneously") consume String into long and it parses it correctly for me
guess i won't need that then 
spiral robin
Wow so smart ? @minor badge ?
minor badge
woops, guess i pressed shift+ctrl+x when i meant just ctrl+x
damn i wish someone else had figured that out before you
potent fossil
damn i wish someone else had figured that out before you
plz dont bully me
potent fossil
oh to snoopa 
untold copper
apparently
I just didn't know what RTL Text means
so yeah I did it myself
whatever
potent fossil
untold copper
ok bye
visual egret
bold iron
Does anyone knows how to prevent this Kaboom(Wurst) ?
golden gust
use an anti cheat
coarse lily
Says right in the thing that it works if the server doesn't have an anti-cheat.
olive garden
no, that's not what it says
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel 
potent fossil
lol @ this physics problem
"during a storm a crate of crêpe is sliding across a slick and oily parking lot while wind applies a constant force to the back"
someone was experiencing a hunger
twin lagoon
hello simple
potent fossil
hello michale
twin lagoon
why does the philippines use english for every sign
twin lagoon
just random billboards and shit
it's all english
i've been playing geoguessr right and i haven't seen a single fucking tagalog sign
potent fossil
well, see, when you look at billboards you're looking through a sort of upper class lens
and the upper class speak english there
tagalog is 'dirty'
twin lagoon
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the bot is malfunctioning 
potent fossil
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😔 we reverted
potent fossil
you talking about signs like this @twin lagoon https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesoapboxfilipina.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2FFullSizeRender.jpg&f=1&nofb=1
or signs like, on the freeway
twin lagoon
signsl ike those yes
swift root
😔 we reverted
fowevew? uwu
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@swift root uwu
swift root
uwu
twin lagoon
uwu
potent fossil
those signs are typically trying to make it easier on tourists
twin lagoon
well yes
potent fossil
who want to buy like cellphone minutes or something
hold on ill find you a tagalog sign
potent fossil
golden gust
To be fair
twin lagoon
the entirety of eastern europe
like you get dropped into the most scuffed places on geoguessr
golden gust
if you drive on some of the roads in some parts of the world, you may need to just replace the whole car after a few moments
swift root
hovercraft!