general

[vernal moth]

yeah thats the thing

since intel basically did nothing for a few years

amds/tsmc7ff is just good enough to beat intel

screams in 16 cores at 3.4 base 4.9 turbo

[cedar spade]

What would 4.9GHz screaming sound like

[limber knot]

md awa

[ashen cliff]

I'm impressed by Intel Broadwell -> Skylake being as good as it was.
Since they must have seen Broadwell as the worlds biggest disappointment.

[cedar spade]

proxi iwi

[vernal moth]

I sure hope intel is able to do shit like that again

cause they fighting multiple battles right now

[ashen cliff]

Maybe on something newer than 10nm.

[vernal moth]

they loosing marketshare to amd and to arm

[cosmic raft]

I don't care for intel any more

[ashen cliff]

Well, you should.

[vernal moth]

I dont care for intel the company

[ashen cliff]

We need competition.

[vernal moth]

I care for intel the competittor

[waxen panther]

we dont want amd going lax like intel did

[vernal moth]

or well, maybe apple is right and arm is the future for everything, who knows

[waxen panther]

there was a similar phase of everyone believing risc was the future awhile ago, I'm not going to hedge my bets on it just yet but

[merry talon]

when apple says everything they're referring to themselves

[waxen panther]

M1 is very cool

[merry talon]

apple thinks apple is everything

[waxen panther]

i mean

obviously their marketing revolves around them lol

[cedar spade]

"apple is the future of google"

[cosmic raft]

hm, already Wednesday.. the break I decided on is getting close to over

[waxen panther]

:(

how long did you take off

[cosmic raft]

this week

[cedar spade]

imagine sticking to your breaks 👀

[waxen panther]

finish my coursework

[cedar spade]

no

although I actually do have a week off this week bc my uni was like "we weren't prepared for lockdown ok have another week off"

[cosmic raft]

"I'm going to be mostly inactive with any code-related things, and most likely with any code review/issues, for a little while."

[waxen panther]

i spent all day yesterday in some random craze of completely overengineering a command and action system for my coursework, only to realise i cant use it at all because of how much lecturers tests work

[cosmic raft]

is what I said

[waxen panther]

this would usually be my exam month so we're still doing stuff

[vernal moth]

sure, but they clearly are showing off the potential of ARM

[cedar spade]

kash: was referring to every single time I've taken a "break"

[vernal moth]

and apple always have been amazing chip designers

[cedar spade]

not you :p

mm yes tasty apple fries

[cosmic raft]

I sent that in response to broc

[cedar spade]

personally I prefer potato fries, but meh

[twin lagoon]

kashike

[cedar spade]

clearly I'm not the target audience for apple fries

[cosmic raft]

I have somewhat enjoyed this break though

it gives me more time to lay in bed being sad

[waxen panther]

lmao

me

[cedar spade]

wait people don't do that regardless of breaks?

[waxen panther]

24/7

[twin lagoon]

brocc

[cedar spade]

machiel

[twin lagoon]

pinapl

[waxen panther]

michael

[cosmic raft]

yea but like, I actually said I'm not doing anything, and so people aren't expecting me to do stuff all day

[cedar spade]

"kash y u no adventuring!?!?!!!"

[cosmic raft]

considering reducing some stuff. debating reducing online presence a bit with making Twitter private, evaluating the projects I am working on, etc

idk

[waxen panther]

i dont envy you

i enjoy not being relied on for anything

[cosmic raft]

shrug

[merry talon]

but you dont even tweet

[cosmic raft]

no, but that's not the point

[cedar spade]

@waxen panther TICKETS NAOW

[waxen panther]

lol

imagine spending many hours on an update and not releasing it because you dont want to spend 15 minutes testing

couldnt be me

[cedar spade]

my memory isn't good enough for me to remember people depend on my projects ig

[waxen panther]

🎈

[cedar spade]

shush

[wide chasm]

That's why GitHub has the dependents tab 😉

[cedar spade]

I mean, I don't think thousands of servers are GitHub dependencies (also, does that support gradle groovy?)

[wide chasm]

I think I remember seeing them add support for that, but idk

[waxen panther]

it works yes

if you're using github packages to host

which is terrible

well not terrible just annoying

[worn ember]

no u

[cedar spade]

no it is terrible

I cannot think of a sane reason behind required auth for public packages

[mental meadow]

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/12/22221344/razer-project-hazel-n95-respirator-mask-coronavirus-chroma-rgb-concept?utm_campaign=theverge&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
gamer mask gamer mask gamer mask

[waxen panther]

ah yes

gaming mask

[cedar spade]

it's not an N95 mask until it looks like this

gotta have the dual sliding keypad

[mossy vessel]

But muh faceshield!!

[merry talon]

lol

makes total sense

[cedar spade]

You may must follow these rules

[untold copper]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-ill-take-your-entire-stock-thats-mine-gif-13637000

[visual egret]

yes please so will i

[warm anchor]

It’s gonna be expensive so both of you need to ask your parent first

[visual egret]

weeb

[waxen panther]

child

[spiral robin]

hello

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

aber !

[twin lagoon]

@minor badge awa

@mental meadow

[spiral robin]

hello michael .

[twin lagoon]

.

[spiral robin]

!

contabos website revamp makes them look very good

[twin lagoon]

thank fuck they have a new site

[mental meadow]

michael uwu

[cedar spade]

broc !?

[waxen panther]

@cedar spade ?

[cedar spade]

!

[waxen panther]

can i help ?!

[cedar spade]

yes

[waxen panther]

ok how

[cedar spade]

indeed

ok fine

[waxen panther]

fine

[cedar spade]

coarse

[exotic siren]

damn mojang still releasing 1.16.5

[vernal moth]

It's not important for paper users tho

[untold copper]

wait what?

[cloud slate]

Btw. Just want to point out something funny.
In #announcements do you say we shouldn't use old/outdated versions... While you offer downloads for Travertine which adds 1.7.10 support.

[olive marlin]

https://twitter.com/slicedlime/status/1349010686467317763?s=19

slicedlime (@slicedlime)

There will not be any Caves & Cliffs snapshot this week. Instead, we're preparing a small stability release for 1.16.

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Twitter · Jan 12, 2021, 3:09 PM

[untold copper]

oOoOoOoh

[warm anchor]

You mean they are fixing the crash

[vernal moth]

Travertine isn't really maintained tho

[visual egret]

then move it to legacy builds

[cerulean shuttle]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-16-5-release-candidate-1

[worthy geode]

Oh no

[visual egret]

what do you mean "oh no"

[twin lagoon]

it's fine

no protocol version bump

nothing to worry about

[worthy geode]

Ah, that's good

[worthy geode]

I expected another unneeded protocol version and nms bump

[twin lagoon]

they don't do so anymore hopefully

[visual egret]

how fast do you think paper will release 1.17?

[twin lagoon]

yes

[quasi valley]

no

[twin lagoon]

kenny

[worthy geode]

We don't even know how big 1.17 will be yet

[olive marlin]

maybe

[visual egret]

i was just asking for an estimate

[quasi valley]

no

[olive marlin]

So far I'm expecting 1.17 to be quite a pain for me to update.

.eta @visual egret

[limber knot]

Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.

[quasi valley]

why's that?

because of worldgen?

[visual egret]

im not requesting an eta

[quasi valley]

do you know what eta means

because you literally asked for it

[visual egret]

well yes but

smh

[worthy geode]

1.13-1.16 were pretty easy updates for plugins, the most annoying thing was the inventory title removal in 1.14, but that was spigot and not Mojang

[quasi valley]

"i was just asking for an estimate[d time of arrival relative to the 1.17 release]"

[twin lagoon]

kenny is here to save us with viaversion 1.17

[visual egret]

that isnt wha-

[worthy geode]

I would expect 1.17 on 1.12 -> 1.13 levels

[visual egret]

ouch

i was just asking if its gonna be a quick update or something like 1.15 was

[limber knot]

yeah, they appear to bloat the game by too much

[quasi valley]

no heh not even close

[limber knot]

1.15 was 1.14.5 in disguise

[worthy geode]

Why not? ^^

Too optimistic or too pessimistic?

[quasi valley]

1.13 turned around the entirety of most id systems used in api, meaning like every slightly larger plugin directly affecting ingame stuff broke

1.17 is in the ranges of every other major update + higher worlds

[limber knot]

Maybe if mojang does that again we could finally refractor the materials API for good

[visual egret]

@mojan-

[worthy geode]

But it was kinda obvious for a lot of updates that the IDs will get removed. The world changes are pretty new

[quasi valley]

that has basically been coming since 1.16.0

so no, not really

and isn't even that big of a change internally (in contrast to 1.13's flattening)

[visual egret]

AC developers when they saw the 1.13 updates probably cried

[worthy geode]

I personally hope they change it until 1.17, just stacking more chunk sections does not seem optimal at all

[twin lagoon]

anticheat developers cry 24/7

[waxen panther]

i cry 24/7

[quasi valley]

what would be more optimal in your opinion then? 😛

or why is it not

[worthy geode]

The problem imo is that the view distances only work in the XZ dimensions, so if you have a higher world the server needs to send the entire column of sections at once, and the client needs to render (or generate in SP) the entire section at once

[quasi valley]

unless you build things to the very height limit or have your entire world full of super large mountains, that shouldn't become an issue

[worthy geode]

It's kinda pointless to have a 2048 block limit if the world stays at ~64 tho

[quasi valley]

why would you ever set it to 2048 blocks? lol

just because it's theoretically possible doesn't mean they will jump from 250 to 2000 by default. 50-100 blocks would be reasonable, but for all we know they could also not change the default at all

[worthy geode]

the maximum is 4096, so 2048 does not seem too bad

but even if the average height is at 200, that is noticeable. Our mountain ranges with an average height of 150-200 load a lot slower then the lower parts of the world

[limber knot]

Maybe a full world gen refractor to make use of the new world height?

Although idk, that would be something for Minecraft 2.0

[worthy geode]

imo they should switch chunks to 3d instead of 2d. They did that with biomes already. Ofc that might break compatibility and isn't the easiest thing to do, but it would solve those problems

[vernal moth]

The maximum isn't 4096

It just gets more and more broken the higher you get, but it's all fixable

Chunks are 3d, chunk sections exist

[worthy geode]

yeah, but the region files aren't and the view distance is also 2d. That works for the bedrock level format, but I doubt the servers handles 120 MB+ region files very well.

[quasi valley]

that'll likely never happen, even just because of entity tracking ranges

[visual egret]

TIL Windows Nano Server

[ashen cliff]

TIL 🗑️.

[worn crest]

imagine 1.16.5 friday

[visual egret]

lol

[worn crest]

2 bugs fixed which aren't known

[unkempt drift]

Trivia question I don’t know the answer too. If you, for every company, added up the surface area of all the their logos on stuff, products, anything, which companies logo, would have the most surface area?

My guess is Maersk

[visual egret]

any logo saved as an svg

[unkempt drift]

No no, has to be on something, not a file saved on a pc.

Like Apple’s on its phones

Or fedex on its trucks

[visual egret]

i guess a shipping company would probably be the largest (maersk)

[pastel pivot]

mc donalds 😄

[visual egret]

oh yeah lol

[olive marlin]

Probably company which produces a lot of cheap waste (things like packing bags probably contribute a lot to it)

[vernal moth]

Maybe the CE logo or smth like that

Cause that's literally on anything that takes power

[golden gust]

Erm

Does it have to be a legit logo or?

Coz, if we talk about the % of chinesium goods

Are those real CE stickers?

[vernal moth]

They get checked on import sometimes

[olive marlin]

China has "China Export" logo which is similar, but not the same thing.

[cunning raft]

you're all wrong

its this

[vernal moth]

Most of the time devices don't have a CE logo at all 😂

That's what?

I wanted to say what's that, and that's what came out. Thanks brain

[cunning raft]

its the electronics testing lab that like everything goes though

[olive marlin]

Is a country flag also considered a logo?

[cunning raft]

im like 50% sure its not just a us thing

[vernal moth]

Is it american CE?

[cunning raft]

no idea what CE is so maybe

[vernal moth]

Oh ye ce is eu only

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking

[cunning raft]

oh i see that too

[vernal moth]

It's normally pretty big compared to the others, so that's why I guessed it's the most used one

In area

[cunning raft]

but that UL/CE logo is on like everything that plugins into a wall

[twin lagoon]

never seen UL before

[void void]

if i put an ender chest in my spawn

im a bit confused

[waxen panther]

try it

[void void]

so default mechanism of ender chest is to only show items that r urs?

I cant try it because im 1 person

if i put an ender chest in a spawn, does it work as a safe bank for every player?

[golden gust]

ender chest is per person

[waxen panther]

correct

if you're going to be a server owner though you should really invest in an alt

[void void]

hm?

[cunning raft]

if you don't live in US you prob wouldn't

[void void]

like a plugin of some sort?

[waxen panther]

no

an alternate account

:p

[void void]

oh

i need to buy another acc?

[golden gust]

I've seen UL listed in the UK

[void void]

or cracked

xd

[twin lagoon]

a new acc yes

[void void]

Is there a way to have an alt just for testing

without buying another mc account

[vernal moth]

In germany we even have others

Like GS

[twin lagoon]

offline mode

[vernal moth]

And TÜV

[warm anchor]

That’s what offline mode is for lol

[void void]

i need 2 mc clients tho?

[waxen panther]

you can just have one open at a time

[vernal moth]

This is my google charger

[void void]

yeah thats what i thought, so how do I have 2 open?

another custom client?

[vernal moth]

Anker doesn't have those german ones

[waxen panther]

i just own multiple accounts, i have no idea how to run a cracked client

[warm anchor]

I mean you can open two

[waxen panther]

its only like $20

[void void]

how

[visual egret]

prices are almost the cheapest in the UK

[visual egret]

open the minecraft launcher twice?

[void void]

its not working

closes the first

wait nvm LOL

worked

weird

[waxen panther]

[limber knot]

You can't have two players with the same name usually

[void void]

i mean if its offline mode?

[limber knot]

Even then probably not, but it's offline mode

[void void]

I have a pc and a laptop ig

[waxen panther]

what

you dont need to have two different computers

just open the client twice, if you're not going to buy another account though you'll have to use another client that lets you do that kinda thing

[warm anchor]

You mean like T.... nvm

Let’s not. Just buy another account

[limber knot]

Third party clients, yes

[void void]

Yeah heard of those

R they safe?

[visual egret]

yeah lol

[limber knot]

Some

[visual egret]

unless ur downloading some random client that nobody knows of

[waxen panther]

of course oskar knows about them LMAO

[limber knot]

Most open source console clients are however

[visual egret]

for pvp you wanna use the 2 most popular ones

[void void]

🦁

[waxen panther]

[visual egret]

for normal game, use vanilla or optifine

[void void]

I just want for testing

[warm anchor]

🤡

[limber knot]

Beyond that there are some graphical 100% foss console clients, best ask wiki.vg about that

[void void]

So I know how it is from a users pov

And not op

[visual egret]

/deop <op>

[waxen panther]

[twin lagoon]

shut up brocc

[waxen panther]

no

make me

x

[void void]

I bought mine for 5$

[warm anchor]

That’s cheap

[void void]

[waxen panther]

buy another for $5 then

😀 😀 😀

[void void]

They made it 20$ now

That was years ago

High demand now

[limber knot]

Didn't minecraft prices inflate even higher?

[quasi valley]

well that happens if a game actually gets more than 3 devs and features

[warm anchor]

Yes it’s $27 now

[limber knot]

I could swear it's over the 28€ (~34 USD according to google) mark now

[waxen panther]

i mean i just took that screenshot

17gbp =~ $24

[limber knot]

Oh well, "just" 24€ now

[void void]

been 24 eur for a while now

[waxen panther]

lets not get dramatic, 24 euro for a game of minecrafts scale isnt a big ask

[warm anchor]

Do they still give you free bedrock?

[waxen panther]

especially for a game that's still getting updated as much as mc

[void void]

no

they don't

i lost mine smh

[zealous wedge]

lol since when do they sell it on amazon

[warm anchor]

They gave me free bedrock

[zealous wedge]

same

[waxen panther]

i think i have it on one of my old m$ accounts

[quasi valley]

24€ for a game you will likely spend hundreds of hours in, and that receives free major updates 2 times a year

[void void]

i could claim it but i didn't

[warm anchor]

Maybe code from Amazon US is old? So still got free bedrock?

Idk how they control that

Coz I read about it and it’s only for certain account age etc etc and I shouldn’t qualify but I got it

[cedar spade]

Pretty sure it's based on when your account activated it, not when the code was created

[warm anchor]

Hmm

I mean it’s free so I ain’t complaining

[cedar spade]

It's also 💩

[warm anchor]

Rtx is nice we need that in Java

[void void]

How do u check

Never mind

This offer expires on April 21, 2020.

[golden gust]

yea, they killed it off recently-ish

[cedar spade]

Thanks for the ping

[warm anchor]

Yeah it was around new year’s they made the announcement

[waxen panther]

@cedar spade 😀

[cedar spade]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

: grinning : ?

[minor badge]

[cedar spade]

[warm anchor]

Chat so pink need more green @waxen panther

[void void]

[minor badge]

[void void]

Your brain is trying to identify an object, but it can’t

[stiff nexus]

question
do paper like start to respawn villagers and other stuff, that wont respawn in vanilla

[limber knot]

villager may not respawn, but they can reproduce in vanilla

[warm anchor]

You just need to give them sex food.

I mean carrot

[stiff nexus]

yes, like they do not respawn in villages if i don't force them to reproduce.

[warm anchor]

Nope

[stiff nexus]

ok

dose it chance anything whith villager trading?

[waxen panther]

yes i agree

#give eternity broccoli role 2021

[warm anchor]

[worn ember]

wait, the vanilla mc server is cross platform?

[waxen panther]

yes

[worn ember]

TIL lul

[waxen panther]

crossplatform as in os

[cedar spade]

no it only runs on windows

[waxen panther]

PepeLa

[limber knot]

java runs on 8 billion devices after all ;)

[worn ember]

oh lame

i thought they meant like bedrock and java

[waxen panther]

bedrock is in c++....

this is a true dark eye dragon moment

[worn ember]

so?

[waxen panther]

bruh

weirdga

[worn ember]

its still the same protocol (or could be)

[waxen panther]

yes but

[worn ember]

[stiff nexus]

dose peaper chance anything whith villager trading?

[limber knot]

well it's not the same protocol so...

it's not even the same network communication protocol (TCP vs UDP) xD

[ashen cliff]

Daily reminder: SCTP exists.

https://posili.me/i/2021-01-13_18-11-16.png

[limber knot]

the Scholastic Clay Target Program?!?

[ashen cliff]

Oh BOY!

Looks like they found it.

[warm quest]

does anyone know what happend to this :

https://minecraft-statistic.net/en/

[visual egret]

the backend server went down

hence the 502 error

[warm quest]

they bave been down for 7+ days i still had funds in there its very weird

[visual egret]

contact them?

[warm anchor]

How would we know on a random site

[slim nymph]

had funds?

[warm anchor]

I have so many questions

[limber knot]

that site is annoying

[ionic apex]

Does anyone have a source for what the two server issues are that are being fixed in 1.16.5?

The Mojang post was vague

[limber knot]

had an old server of mine on there and the dude never responds

put on there without me doing it mind u

[ashen cliff]

That site was really just made to track players.

[warm anchor]

Paper fixed them already

[limber knot]

was that the auto generated russian site which didn't manage to update my server? lol

eventually it disappeared so I guess he reads stuff eventually

[ashen cliff]

They just scraped other lists to add them.

[limber knot]

my favorite is mcl.ist tho

[warm anchor]

And this guy paid them????

[ashen cliff]

The list was public.

[limber knot]

bots that join your server, say some stuff in chat, download your spawn and chat messages then leave

[ashen cliff]

No idea you could pay for anything there.

[limber knot]

it's funny tho cuz at least the IP doesn't change

[warm anchor]

Idk that’s what he said

[limber knot]

so I give 'em custom messages

those bots used to do weird stuff before tho like execute /login commands n stuff

lol: https://is.papr.best/glVXSEug.png

[ashen cliff]

Can't even find my server on that site, without using the submit server button.

[limber knot]

they do try to censor the bot name if it's printed in chat/server list motd

[formal forge]

Does someone have exp about mcmmo?

[waxen panther]

ask in mcmmo

[ashen cliff]

Since just having minecraft.{tld} isn't very epic.

[limber knot]

ez to get around tho lol, tho I messed up the zero width whitespace

[waxen panther]

the support channel specifically

[formal forge]

like /repair stopped working

[waxen panther]

ask in mcmmo

[formal forge]

They are too slow :>

[waxen panther]

Ping nossr

[warm anchor]

They have a dedicated support

[formal forge]

No he will beat me for such a unimportant question

[waxen panther]

No, it's paid support and he is the main dev

he doesnt mind pings

[warm anchor]

So we can beat you here too?

[waxen panther]

as long as you're not pinging the other two developers, no one will care

[limber knot]

I don't mind pings either c:

[formal forge]

No, ladies don't do such things

[visual egret]

smh

wat

[waxen panther]

eternity is OUR egirl .

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-01-13_18-22-47.png

[warm anchor]

Do your homework

[formal forge]

Ah, that's why there is a E at the beginning of her name

[waxen panther]

[vernal moth]

moving servers is going great, lol

" x509: certificate is valid for glados.minidigger.me, not bender.minidigger.me"

[visual egret]

:)

[limber knot]

"what are wildcard certificates"?

[visual egret]

no idea actually

[vernal moth]

this is a cert for my docker socket 😂

[limber knot]

no reason to not use wildcards

runs

[visual egret]

ping him here

[formal forge]

Damn

smart

[waxen panther]

der

im literally

[limber knot]

how 2 get free wildcard cert

[waxen panther]

an mcmmo mod

i know what im talking about lol

[warm anchor]

Trust brocco

[vernal moth]

can I self sign wildcard certs?

[topaz mortar]

Let's Encrypt it

[vernal moth]

if so, thats what am gonna do now, lol

[formal forge]

Why did he wrote that then ?

[topaz mortar]

Yeah LE allows wildcards.

[formal forge]

anyways i'll quote you

[vernal moth]

LE certs are not valid long enough

[waxen panther]

he doesnt want people doing in there pinging random people for support

[limber knot]

if only their certs didn't expire in like a few months

[vernal moth]

fuck that

[waxen panther]

a lot of people seem to think the moderation team on mcmmo is the support team which isnt true

but yes, pinging him with a questions is fine

[spiral robin]

what did I miss

[heady spear]

brocc is pretending to be important

md sucks

[cedar spade]

@waxen panther pls halp

[waxen panther]

i am pretending

[heady spear]

and ysl is cute

[waxen panther]

to mald

[limber knot]

once you have auto renew setup for LE it doesn't really matter ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[topaz mortar]

Having a docker container for refreshing it automatically.

[waxen panther]

@cedar spade yes

[spiral robin]

thanks city

[warm anchor]

[cedar spade]

@waxen panther ok

[waxen panther]

@cedar spade paper 1.13.1

[vernal moth]

auto renew certs for my CI/CD on gitlab ci? lol

[heady spear]

why don't more ppl run 1.14

it was my favourite version

[compact pulsar]

1.14 is one of the worst versions ever due to performance issues

[next frost]

BEST version ever

all features after that are basically USELESS

[heady spear]

that's just because you don't know how to configure your server

[next frost]

no one needs it

[limber knot]

oof, mclist's map renderer feels a bit yellow https://is.papr.best/glMPEcQl.png 👀

[waxen panther]

minecraft was feature complete in 1.5

[heady spear]

I had 400 players on my 1.14 server without even trying

[ashen cliff]

In my case the map is just a black void.

[visual egret]

Should i be adding an ItemFlag via an ItemMeta or ItemStack?

which one is better practice

[limber knot]

pretty sure the item stack method is only a helper to set it on the meta

if you already have the meta then use that

[visual egret]

okay

[olive marlin]

Oskar asking questions in multiple places smh

[visual egret]

at least im not asking in every channel..

[twin lagoon]

bloodstone

[visual egret]

someone actually did that lol

[olive marlin]

Michael

[ashen cliff]

You should always ask in all Discords at once.

[olive marlin]

Staying late cause of stupid "release untested code after a big rebase today, ignore tests" xD

[cosmic raft]

https://c.tenor.com/sJrpLaSBq1gAAAAM/sleepy-yawn.gif

[visual egret]

how do tests even work?

[ashen cliff]

My code always has 0% coverage.

[visual egret]

i dont understand them

[olive marlin]

Tests do something, and then you check if code behaved how you expected it to.

I couldn't understand tests for quite a while.

But I found decent tests helpful. Especially converting some data etc.

[ashen cliff]

Input -> Function/Method -> Output
The test just checks that the output is always at the expected values.

At least that's the simplest I can put it.

[olive marlin]

Not always output, but yeah.

@visual egret Stuff like: https://github.com/Prof-Bloodstone/botstone/blob/dev/src/parsers/message.rs#L278
I expect, that if user gives me a string like: "{"e": {"d": "My Description"}}",
my code will convert it into:

        let expected = Message {
            content: None,
            embed: Some(Embed {
                colour: None,
                description: Some("My Description".to_string()),
                field: None,
                footer: None,
                author: None,
            }),
        };

I know what I provide, function performs some complex operations on the data I give and then I check that I get what I expect.

[spiral robin]

[olive marlin]

Though you can also do checks that function performs specific operations ON some value that you pass to it (could be to run tests that run some commands, without starting server that could run them - you simulate the behavior).

[ashen cliff]

Just make an automated test utility.
Self writes test and sends you 50 emails about changes.

[quasi valley]

my favorite kind of type

a Some

[visual egret]

ah okay

makes sense

sorry for the late response

[olive marlin]

I prefer Rust's strong typing and Some() and None instead of making everything nullable as in Java.

[ashen cliff]

Imagine having to care about datatypes.

[olive marlin]

I mean, I like Python which lets you do whatever.

[ashen cliff]

PHP gang.

[olive marlin]

But Java is in the middle - strongly typed, but not fully.

[quasi valley]

I don't really like projects making EVERYTHING Optional, like Sponge

[ashen cliff]

Or Fabric?

[limber knot]

Optional has its use cases

[quasi valley]

they could have at least named it something different than "Some"

[waxen panther]

[limber knot]

making everything optional on the off chance of it being usefull for that to not be validated by the api implementation is not ideal

[heady spear]

stop abusing

that's not how you use it

[olive marlin]

It's just a stupid enum - the option is to either have Some value or None. https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/option/

[next frost]

Optionals are better than null but still worse than just returning non null everywhere

[limber knot]

Perhaps proper documentation is better

[waxen panther]

not really

[next frost]

proper documentation doesn't automatically prevent npe's

[olive marlin]

Given that in Java I often hit stuff marked @NonNull which returns null anyway, I'd prefer Optionals or actually enforcing the annotations at compile time.
looks at Paper

[limber knot]

Yes, but it helps people to code code that does not NPE

Yeah, bukkit does that sometimes

just enable java 15's helpful NPEs

[minor badge]

@zealous wedge @NotNull ItemStack []

[dim shadow]

do u guys know if there's a way for survival players to clear nbt/lore/other metadata from items in stock paper assuming no plugins? i know for example mob heads lose their lore if submerged in water, so I'm mainly wondering about just items

[zealous wedge]

ah yes bukkit's high-quality nullability annotations

[limber knot]

Ah yes, a null array

[quasi valley]

@UndefinedNullability

[limber knot]

"mob heads lose their lore if submerged in water" wtf

[zealous wedge]

i like null arrays of non-null elements

[limber knot]

@DefenitelyNull

[potent fossil]

Null everything and nothing. It's Schrödinger's null.

[olive marlin]

Mob heads loose lore even if placed.

Unless you have a plugin for that.

[dim shadow]

idk whats going on lol its not my custom head lore plugin, but thats what happens when a head is submerged. it keeps the player skin but loses plugin custom data

[limber knot]

oh, you mean placing

not dropping the item in water

[olive marlin]

Does the grinder remove it?

[dim shadow]

yea lol sorry yes placing on the world and then putting water bucket in the same block

[limber knot]

yeah, I have a plugin on my server to fix that by just storing it in the TE nbt lol

[olive marlin]

Yes, and there's no event you can use to work around water.

MM PRed Event for that, but that's it.

[dim shadow]

idk i havent tried, i dont mind if it does, the thing is i want to add my own custom items but it would be really bad if people could turn those into their vanilla equivalent items and use them in recipes n shit

[olive marlin]

Phoenix I do that for placing/breaking, but water can't do that.

[limber knot]

doesn't it call the block destroyed event though?

[dim shadow]

for example if i wanted to give out "fake diamonds" that look real but can't be used

[olive marlin]

I believe we tested that.

[dim shadow]

how would i make sure the fake diamonds stay safe lol

[limber knot]

who's this waterdrink dumcordian, is it someone renamed or actually a new person

[dim shadow]

oi

show respect sir ive been here a while

[limber knot]

3 days?

[dim shadow]

im the girl with the water glass bruh

[limber knot]

A bit longer I reckon

[dim shadow]

naw man i been here for months

does leocabotive ring a bell

[limber knot]

yes

[modern phoenix]

how tf are u a bot........

[limber knot]

ok

there we go

so renamed

[olive marlin]

Pheonix that event is called when you break multi-block structures (tall grass, doors, bed etc).

[limber knot]

ah another dumcordian

let the education begin

[olive marlin]

Not for heads.

It's stupid.

[dim shadow]

idk they got like super advanced ai up in this discord idk if its hooked up to a google megadrive or what

[olive marlin]

MM added https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4989

[limber knot]

ew google

more like scroogle

yahoo is better, marginally

[dim shadow]

so robo do u know?

[limber knot]

yahoo uses bing c: or at least they used to

do I know what

[spare venture]

It’s always hilarious when people get confused over the bot tag

[limber knot]

Yahoo should predate bing

[modern phoenix]

i mean ik its from an integration but why

[limber knot]

I've seen you as leocab whatever but idk wut u do

It has existed for years

[dim shadow]

how to force metadata to stay on items

[limber knot]

askjeeves

oh that?

[dim shadow]

yessssss see u kno who i am ❤️

[spare venture]

Why are your items losing metadata

[limber knot]

the answer is you don't

metadata is temporary

I guess I could just listen on the bucket empty event and handle that manually ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dim shadow]

theyre not, but then i've been bamboozled before by players who knew better

[spare venture]

Haha

[dim shadow]

like that time i added mobcatcher without knowing mob eggs can power fuckin spawners

#bamboozled

[limber knot]

joins channel

idk if PDCs move over but otherwise yea there's no good way to id an itemstack when it goes through different stuff

dang it, empty

[dim shadow]

pdcs?

[spare venture]

Yeah I typically research the item that I’m using as a custom item beforehand

[olive marlin]

PersistentDataContainer

[limber knot]

imagine not being able to create any channel you wish

[left swift]

Robo is noob

[limber knot]

even slack got that part right

[vernal moth]

rsync is so slowwwwwwwwwww

whhyhyyyyyyy

[limber knot]

cuz loonix

[spare venture]

haha imagine using rsync

[limber knot]

rdp it c:

[dim shadow]

damn does this mean im gonna have to write code to carefully track these items at every turn

[limber knot]

yes

[vernal moth]

well, am syncing git repos and node_modules folders and shit 😂

[limber knot]

unless PDCs stick to the itemstack, you will have to yup

[dim shadow]

well sheeeeeeit lol

[limber knot]

make an API for it I'd be interested, maybe

[olive marlin]

If you don't have items of blocks, but just items you can't place, that's not that hard.

[dim shadow]

das ist nicht gut

[limber knot]

PDC sticks to the item, that's the whole point

[dim shadow]

yeah i figured as much, but why exactly?

[spare venture]

On purpur TEs retain it

[limber knot]

itemstack, even if it turns into a block n stuff?

As long as the item is not replaced by another item

i. e. crafting

[spare venture]

Well it’s not an item anymore when you place it

[limber knot]

no, a block is not an item

and blocks can't hold data, only Tile Entities can

[olive marlin]

I think only issue is combining items (in crafting table, anvil etc).

[spare venture]

Very easy to prevent that

[dim shadow]

blocks sound much harder so im just gonna stick to flat items like idk iron ingot and paper

[limber knot]

Anvil API is scuffed

[olive marlin]

There's the generic recipe event which you can easily cancel if one of the items is your custom one.

[limber knot]

Wouldn't be suprised if there is an exploit to merge them anyways through an anvil

[dim shadow]

i havent worked with crafting api much but last time i tried it blocked crafting with custom items, pretty sure it was toggleable in code

[limber knot]

imagine ID'ing random pieces of iron in real life

[spare venture]

Well, you can use the click and drag event in anvil too if you find exploits

[limber knot]

recipes are interesting

give every item in an itemstack it's unique UUID, problem solved

I made this and it had very fun and interesting side effects https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/reciperemover.54979/

[dim shadow]

why cant the game just be consistent LOL

[vernal moth]

I wonder when I started the RSYNC

https://i.imgur.com/CmJb7n3.png

lol

[spare venture]

the game is pretty consistent

robo lmao

[limber knot]

"Might work on older versions, idk", interesting. Does it also work on 1.13+

[spare venture]

"if result = hopper, set result to air"?

[limber knot]

no it doesn't do that

[dim shadow]

not if u can take a SUPER MEGA RARE SPECIAL TIFFANYS BRANDED PLUSH DIAMOND and turn it into an actual diamond with an anvil or a grindstone xD

[limber knot]

it actually removes the recipe from the registry entirely

[spare venture]

ah

If useRemoveMode is set to false, then this plugin will only "hide" and prevent usage of the specified recipes.

yeah i'm reading it now

[limber knot]

btw waterdrink leco I just use lore to id my custom items https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/customitemregistry.53788/

I may look into PDCs tho

[vernal moth]

why are so many ppl following me on twitter today? lol

4th new follower or smth like that

[pastel pivot]

lol did you know that there is a "<player> was killed by [Intentional Game Design]" death message, which links to https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE-28723 😅
Never saw this one before ..

[potent fossil]

local hot german boi cannot be resisted, the news reports

[vernal moth]

stonar, its an insider

its on the list of "best mojira reports"

[limber knot]

am I back?

yes

yes

[vernal moth]

rsync is still running, but that volume was already synced

man I have so much shit in my docker volume

https://i.imgur.com/sAAzf1w.png

[limber knot]

nice

[twin lagoon]

best to tar & rsync

[limber knot]

what a bug

[vernal moth]

its same RC tho

I guess small files are killing me

[twin lagoon]

tar is faster if you have a lot of small files

yes

[limber knot]

hey the linked the wiki!

Wiki is now official documentation

s/the/they

Correction, <RoboMWM> hey they linked they wiki!

[potent fossil]

@twin lagoon wat if i have a lot of very thicc files

[limber knot]

hecc

[waxen panther]

nice

awesome irc moment

[limber knot]

[pastel pivot]

MiniDigger I didn't know that ^^

[vernal moth]

oh my url shortnener seems to be broken now

[limber knot]

much sad

[vernal moth]

ye

especially since it doesnt log, loll

[limber knot]

I just use short.cm lol

or uh

whatever their new tld is

[golden gust]

typical mini

plays sysadmin

everything slowly but surely blows up

[vernal moth]

"Incorrect DB config, or could not connect to DB" is what it says in the webinterface

but logging the error would be to easy

[limber knot]

what data have u been harvesting

[visual egret]

ip addresses

passwords

and everything else

[vernal moth]

"vi config.php
bash: vi: command not found"

lmao

[golden gust]

vi is dead, vim masterrace

[vernal moth]

vim config.php
bash: vim: command not found

mmmh

[twin lagoon]

nano >

[limber knot]

nano away

[vernal moth]

nano was the first I tried you dum fuks

[limber knot]

ok, echo and >>

[golden gust]

if you're in a container, you're generally fekt

[limber knot]

cat and echo

[golden gust]

Might I suggest heredocs?

runs

[olive marlin]

I remember using sed for editing xD

[visual egret]

how about you inject into the memory

[olive marlin]

Also have somewhere statically compiled vim so that I could use it in containers if needed.

[golden gust]

Yea, but

[vernal moth]

fixed

[golden gust]

how do you get it into the container?

[vernal moth]

just edited in on the host

I get into containers using portainer ❤️

[golden gust]

i really need to play with some of this stuff more

[vernal moth]

ok, the webinterface is bork

[golden gust]

but then it's like, I wake up with my brain hurting or some varying form of aneristic feeling, soooo, it's like...

[vernal moth]

"Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Call to undefined function create_function() in /var/www/html/includes/functions-html.php:821 Stack trace: #0 /var/www/html/includes/auth.php(59): yourls_add_notice('\t<div class="no...') #1 /var/www/html/includes/functions.php(1275): require_once('/var/www/html/i...') #2 /var/www/html/yourls-infos.php(6): yourls_maybe_require_auth() #3 /var/www/html/yourls-loader.php(47): require_once('/var/www/html/y...') #4 {main} thrown in /var/www/html/includes/functions-html.php on line 821"

fucking shit

[olive marlin]

cat vim | docker exec -T container_name sh -c 'cat > ./vim' 🙂

[vernal moth]

why do I host php again?

[olive marlin]

Or something like that.

[limber knot]

ya, shouldof asp.NET

[spiral robin]

martin use an anon fn

[void void]

sometimes i feel like the code i write is shit

[spiral robin]

create_function deprecated as of recently afaik

[limber knot]

do TDD and then feel good about urself then

[golden gust]

php is amazing

Just, erm

maintaining others PHP code is not

[slim nymph]

thats not a php fault lol

[limber knot]

did you just doublepost theminebench

[slim nymph]

did you just do a major php update or something

[spiral robin]

well said

php 8

[waxen panther]

aber is php man

[slim nymph]

go back to php 7 and itll work lol

or just patch that code to use lambdas

[limber knot]

if new to web hosting, how to determine if website is secure?

[golden gust]

You don't, really

[limber knot]

kewl

[golden gust]

Like, if you're using some cpanel provider, you're relying on them that stuff is properly configured and that they maintain stuff

you're assuming that the software that you write or host on there is secure, etc

[limber knot]

imma be cheap and host on my dedi tho

am host vanilla forum

[potent fossil]

after setup run ssllabs till u get an A+

dont rest until then

ez

[limber knot]

ssllabs, they do stuff besides ssl certs? hm k

[potent fossil]

they can test your webserbur's ssl responses n shet

[limber knot]

o nice

hmm, doesn't seem they do much on webserver stuff like there was this other site that analyzed things like php version n stuff which, how important is it to be on the latest patch version of php?

[heady spear]

what a memester u r martin https://github.com/traitor/Minecraft-Server-Mod/pull/296

[left swift]

Vanilla forum?

[spiral robin]

not super important for the patch. obviously better but not a huge deal

[left swift]

Ice cream robo

[vernal moth]

what city? 😂

spigot.org was wrong, I cba to find the real link to this dum spigot, so I linked paper 😂

[limber knot]

It's broken either way

Better redirect to paper than to the ether, am I rite?

[vernal moth]

yes!

[left swift]

yes!

[limber knot]

nice

[tropic flame]

but yatopia-

[waxen panther]

[tropic flame]

runs

[waxen panther]

Yes mods, this user right here

[tropic flame]

I'M JK LMAO

[waxen panther]

better be

[heady spear]

yatopia is the best fork

[spiral robin]

🤡

[heady spear]

it has many optimizations and a lack of spaghettios

ur just mad th@ im telling the truth

[vernal moth]

first time running ES, is this an issue?

"Active license is now [BASIC]; Security is disabled"

[twin lagoon]

get xpack

[austere ivy]

city please never, ever spell “that” like that again

[waxen panther]

ur mad th@ he's rite

[austere ivy]

brocc wtf I thought we were friends 😔

[waxen panther]

city is my friend too 😔

[austere ivy]

fine I guess that maybe th@ is an appropriate spelling in some contexts 😔

(but this is only to save our friendship)

[waxen panther]

thank you

your pride was a worthy sacrifice

[austere ivy]

ok bye brocc see you later

[left swift]

Th@'s pretty dumb

[waxen panther]

ciao brian

[spiral robin]

brian

[visual egret]

how do i make debian do the /sbin thing by defualt

its annoying

[austere ivy]

aber glad I checked the channel just once more before I leave

bye

[spiral robin]

[minor badge]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

@minor badge

[olive marlin]

Add to your PATH in .bashrc

echo 'export PATH="${PATH}:/usr/bin"' >> ~/.bashrc

Or whatever you use

[minor badge]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

@minor badge ?

[minor badge]

path goes in your profile .

[olive marlin]

Oh, yeah.

[minor badge]

also what you want to add explicitly to the path comes first ^^

[olive marlin]

Depends if you want it to have priority or be last effort fallback.

[wild escarp]

ooh... thats a hard one

[peak dirge]

Always fun

[spare venture]

why do people cold emailing you in comic sans expect a serious response

[left swift]

Comic sans is the mullet of fonts

[spare venture]

business should never be conducted in comic sans

[tropic flame]

imagine caring about a funny font

[spare venture]

freezing cold take right there

[olive marlin]

What ❓ about adding ➕ emoji every second 2️⃣ word?

[waxen panther]

why do people👪 cold❄️ emailing💌 you in comic sans expect❎ a🅰️ serious😒 response,business⛳ should never be conducted⭕ in comic sans

[zealous wedge]

just for you, I will conduct all my business in comic sans

[left swift]

Oh boy

[ashen cliff]

I was surprised by Aruba cloud, they send me a "watch out, we be doing some work" email, then nothing happened.

[waxen panther]

the t3 poki sub has arrived

[left swift]

Cry in fear of the emoji

[potent fossil]

huh windows phone companion aint horrible

[left swift]

I spare u today

[spare venture]

i think i just crashed my server because i unzstd'd a file lol

well not crashed

[limber knot]

Does zstd multithread everything?

[spare venture]

i didnt check htop while doing it

[ashen cliff]

It should.

[worn ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471724280334385162/798448740565254144/TrafficStop.mp4 damn, poor guy

[visual egret]

pog

also does purpur mess with world generation?

[golden gust]

ask purpur, i doubt it, but, like...

[worn ember]

so random question, lets say you replace the current jar with the latest while the server is running, what will happen? Cuz you cant remove it regularly but you can replace it (cuz windows) will the server still work fine? or will shit break

[waxen panther]

lmfao ded

that was funny

[visual egret]

this doesent look like vanilla world gen to me lol

[golden gust]

depends on the OS and how it deals with file handles

[spiral robin]

can anyone vouch a markdown editor for macos?

[golden gust]

oskar, this is the paper discord

[worn ember]

vscode ig

[golden gust]

if you wanna ask questions about what purpur messes with, go ask purpur

[waxen panther]

I believe it breaks with Windows ded

[olive garden]

notepad++

[worn ember]

okay

what about on linux?

[spiral robin]

yeah i guess so, seems too overkill for the quick notes im taking tho

[worn ember]

well np++ then but that that point you might aswel go all out

sublime

[left swift]

I've replaced the jar file on ubuntu while the servers running many times nothing's happened so I would assume it's fine

[waxen panther]

@spiral robin for uni ?

[spiral robin]

yeah

im keeping it all in a private git repo and markdown is hot anyways

all books, assignment outlines, notes, etc

[olive marlin]

Well, there's 2 things - Linux will usually leave the handle to open files, and also the fact that paperclip re-execs the final jar, so doubt it'd crash anyway.

[waxen panther]

i used bear, checking if it has markdown

my friend has used "boostnote" too, he vouched for it in the past

[spiral robin]

that looks nice, thanks bb

[worn ember]

wen youve got enough of this place

[meager tusk]

haha @twin lagoon hii

whats uppp

[twin lagoon]

"2 weeks rollback "

[spiral robin]

idriz :peeposmile:

[meager tusk]

i mean

[twin lagoon]

i mean

[meager tusk]

2 weeks rollback is.. objectively worse

"nooo my build"

[twin lagoon]

ur objectively worse

[meager tusk]

.

Too far

[worn ember]

idriz is object confirmed

[vernal bone]

Exposed

[waxen panther]

aikar rap

[coarse lily]

brocc no

You should PM him that.

[waxen panther]

check chill friends on my discord

[potent fossil]

wats ur discord

[waxen panther]

"dev stuff"

its just shitposting now 😎

[potent fossil]

am not in that

[golden gust]

paperclip is still in the classloader, however

and, any class loaders will have the JVM check the paperclip jar for the class first iirc

[limpid comet]

wow

github discussions is kinda nifty

[worn ember]

more like poop er clip

gottem

[waxen panther]

@worn ember take that back .

[worn ember]

never

[waxen panther]

last chance

[worn ember]

💩 er 📎

[void void]

Hi im confused

[coarse lily]

Hi confused I'm ocelotpotpie

[void void]

Okay so

I got a bank plugin, and when I hit the withdraw money, it asks how much much I want to withdraw

BUT

its a fucking enchantments or some shit

I cant confirm the number

why

[limber knot]

try pressing the black item?

but what a stupid plugin 😂

commands are too easy

[void void]

what

u mean the black glass?

[limber knot]

ye

[void void]

Nothing happened

the number goes back to 0

[spring mango]

Can I run my server on a 1TB USB flash drive?

[twin lagoon]

yes but why

also are you sure that drive is 1tb

[worn ember]

you can but usually read/write are pretty shit to usb

[void void]

OH, the box on the right not left

why the fuck is it this way

[spring mango]

The usb drive claims to have 120mb/s read write speed similar to hdd

[twin lagoon]

what usb drive

[coarse lily]

What's the computer it's connected to?

[olive marlin]

There's f3 for Linux which works well for detecting drive real capacity.

[golden gust]

it's flash

[limber knot]

what could go wrong

[golden gust]

USB flash drivers are generally trash

1. you're very unlikely gonna meet the advertised speeds

2. flash wears out fast

[olive marlin]

People run servers on RPI with microSD, so...

[zealous wedge]

it probably works, doesn't mean it's a good idea

[peak ginkgo]

We call people like that, oskar.

[golden gust]

yea, and they're generally back a year later wondering why their sOS is acting weird and shit

[coarse lily]

If you're running on a pi you're better off using a USB drive.

[golden gust]

only to find out that their SD card is dying

[coarse lily]

The SD cards are slower and corruption prone.

Also, yeah. SD cards.

[peak ginkgo]

@visual egret

:p (Just poking fun at you)