#general
mossy vessel
left swift
Admiralbahroo got next gen emotes on lock
warm anchor
how about this
worn pasture
mossy vessel
No.
warm anchor
worn pasture
left swift
Pepe spam is papermc the new parlor?
waxen panther
worn pasture
worn ember
worn pasture
Pepe spam is papermc the new parlor?
tbh i never associated pepe with alt-right movement, just straight up memes
golden gust
but, the media said
worn pasture
which is what i think of alt-right so
worn pasture
*but, the media said*
wake up sheeple
left swift
The media is just big dumb and old boomers with power being so disconnected from the younger generations brings forth our current social problems 🧠
I mean look at my fortnite
worn pasture
people needa start spreading love and not hate
golden gust
ye, wel
worn pasture
golden gust
ur a poop face
left swift
Fortnite dance on cat grave
golden gust
reminds me of this joke I saw before
worn pasture
fortnite
i take back what i said, death to fortnite
left swift
worn pasture
kelvin ate her
left swift
7 ate 9
golden gust
worn pasture
7mins of sherman greats
this is what i need in my life
aren't they making a new american pie
worn pasture
lol
i always had a thing for jason biggs
oh they already released it but it's not the original cast
slim nymph
i watched that one, felt typical low grade AP
its low quality like the other budget spin offs
though some of the spin offs were pretty good lol
worn ember
AP is cringe af
golden gust
From what I recall, the first one was a classic, the second one was okay, and I don't even care to remember the rest
worn pasture
same
zealous knot
formal forge
Mister_Fix you are quite shit, stfu
warm anchor
What’s going on here 
slim nymph
you can chill that attitude
warm anchor
Make love not hate guys 
golden gust
eat poop
worn ember
toxic
golden gust
this is how I feel about you peeps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oww5UWEeAO4 ❤️
left swift
Cat loves chaos
worn ember
when your last two braincells going at it
warm anchor
I am surprised ded has two left
woven otter
Cyberbullying wtf
warm anchor
I will cook you too! @woven otter 
woven otter
@warm anchor eat a rock
left swift
worn ember
untold copper
hm
woven otter
worn ember
warm anchor
south geyser
worn ember
what the fok
south geyser
spiral robin
minor badge
@spiral robin 
spiral robin
proxi 
woven otter
@someone
left swift
Ded orb
clever widget
why does craftbukkit still exist
olive marlin
Because Paper didn't hardfork yet.
feral zinc
i mean it is ran by spigot
the spigot team took over bukkit after the original devs left
golden gust
seperation layer
originally, CB was maintained and was touted as the more marginally vanilla compatible version of spigot
now they more just treat it as an intermediatary layer between vanilla and spigot
clever widget
ah ok
warm anchor
Zzcat history lesson 
left swift
Bukkit lore 
warm anchor
~~Time to put zzcat to work on hard fork so we can get snapshot paper ~~
clever widget
minecraft 2.0 when
and when will server code overhaul update come
and when will combat not be terrible
limber knotBOT
client code is worse than the server code in my opinion
clever widget
1.9 combat is just okay for PvE but is bad for pvp
left swift
When you learn to do it yourself
limber knotBOT
The swing attacks are cool
warm anchor
Can we not have 1.8 PvP discussion
feral zinc
thats why 1.8 and the combat snapshots exsist
warm anchor
PvP in Minecraft is all horrible
feral zinc
fact
limber knotBOT
What about competitive PvP without fighting? That should exist
clever widget
deploys lava bucket
feral zinc
but it dosnt change that the mechanics are kinda werid if not dumb at times
clever widget
yeah
golden gust
code overhauls are incremental
left swift
golden gust
mojang is not gonna stop updating the game for like 2+ years in the name of rewriting a ton of crap
waxen panther
no cat, the project should just have no updates for 8 years while they rewrite everything 😡
limber knotBOT
pretty much, otherwise mojang would break all moddders
olive marlin
But Cat, my multithreaded server overhaul.
feral zinc
i havent played a game were ur cps is sooooo important to win
clever widget
also we all need multithread but minecraft wasnt built to multithread
it would take a long time to multithread it
slim nymph
long term they are moving towards it
golden gust
multithreading games like MC is complex
slim nymph
keyword 'long'
clever widget
but imagine if servers could take advantage of 64C/128T
waxen panther
i havent played a game were ur cps is sooooo important to win
yeah because the whole fucking concept of your skill equalling how fast you can click is pathetic 
warm anchor
Async regional ticking when 
golden gust
Literally every game like it is much dumber and generally not tryna do as much crud in a single tick
slim nymph
regionize ticking very well can do 64C in large player counts that are spread out
feral zinc
yeah because the whole fucking concept of your skill equalling how fast you can ...
why i got good at bow in bedwars
clever widget
if we could have a single server take advantage of these super high core server processors, imagine how BIG single servers we could be
warm anchor
I think that will be biggest improvement if it ever happens
slim nymph
ina regionized world, each region is ticked in parallel and main is more responsible for scheduling of work only
slim nymph
until the next mc update drops and leaf has to drop everything or else have a stalled release 😛
thats the main issue with regionizing, without mojang doing it, its a absolute bitch to maintain
left swift
SpottedLeaf gonna evolve into SpottedTree
waxen panther
It's okay, leafs side project is human cloning
then he can just have a whole team of leafs
slim nymph
mojang could make one small but critical change that impacts the core of the server that breaks the concept of regionizing and fixing it is extremely difficult
gotta build higher level goals that align with mojangs ideas to keep maintainability for most part
hence why were trying to get mojang to improve these things
slim nymph
dont run single cpu servers, you still need more cores
feral zinc
love it how ppl are like im runnign my server on ryzen 3000 and im running my waterfall server with 4 backends on a i5 2400
meager tusk
yeah.. they still had some good stuff on there though
waxen panther
🎻
left swift
Back to the smp domination
warm anchor
SMP is fun if you have a little community to support it
iron zephyr
Okay server owners. The middle schoolers on our community Minecraft server love survival, but they’re getting to the point where they all have maxed out Netherite gear haha. Any fun/easy ideas to keep survival engaging?
golden gust
We where discussing about it somewhere else
iron zephyr
Priorities are things that force them to interact with each other, minimize hostility, and are easy to set up, because the server is run by volunteers haha
golden gust
I brought up how comical it was that they where complaining about develing for like a 5 year old version of the game and how it was generally stale vs bedrock doing new shit each release
sand epoch
i feel like at that point, all that's left is building
olive marlin
Priorities are things that force them to interact with each other, minimize host...
Custom advancements - see who can get them. Make some that require multiple people.
Treasure hunt?
potent fossil
good morning
tropic flame
hive java is closing <:TE_SadChamp:730658672128032799>
source?
don't just tell me my server for block party is going to close like that wtf
oh NVM I just checked the forums lol
potent fossil
imagine fact checking
meager tusk
check https://forum.hivemc.com
waxen panther
slow
meager tusk
Ok
waxen panther
i just ping michael whenever i have a question personally
meager tusk
pay me a couple grand and you'll have block party all to yourself
literally i'm not getting anyone to play with you either
meager tusk
who plays minigames
like 100k people
meager tusk
Ok .
waxen panther
dorime .
meager tusk
I'll imagine I've never met a person who uses the builder pattern for commands .
I'll be happy .
waxen panther
I hate you .
waxen panther
@minor badge help .
meager tusk
Hacked ?
waxen panther
meager tusk
waxen panther
wtf
🥦
waxen panther
you're going to chop me up? 😳
meager tusk
no
waxen panther
cook me maybe? 😳
spiral robin
i think u mean cock
meager tusk
I'm cutting a poisoned tree
waxen panther
WTF
meager tusk
i think u mean cock
.
spiral robin
minor badge
@waxen panther !
minor badge
@meager tusk ?
quasi valley
.
golden gust
casual reminder
[21:02] Z750: I'd rather switch to using MS Word everywhere for all text editing, then [sic] use emacs
twin lagoon
spiral robin
michael 
waxen panther
meager tusk
Why do you tag me Proxi .
meager tusk
Michael 
spiral robin
wtf micaheakl?
twin lagoon
aber 
waxen panther
we're not elite enough for him aber
twin lagoon
brocc 
spiral robin
.
upper flicker
`[21:02] Z750: I'd rather switch to using MS Word everywhere for all text editin...
Woah woah if we’re going to quote every dumb thing I’ve ever said, we’ll be here for weeks
Do still stand by that though
waxen panther
Z750: Re[dacted]
golden gust
I was lurking on spigot and saw it still in cld's sig 😄
mental meadow
@twin lagoon uwu
twin lagoon
uwu
worn ember
Lurking in spigot to snatch innocent kids to paper
limber knotBOT
worn ember
.api
limber knotBOT
worn ember
Clap
left swift
mental meadow
god that page looks awful
golden gust
left swift
potent fossil
yea pretty fugly page
worn ember
Make it better then
golden gust
design
left swift
left swift
Brocc if ur lurking can u give me pepelightsabers gif
mossy vessel
Typic jdiff no complaining allowed
waxen panther
waxen panther
left swift
Love u
left swift
mental meadow
brocc
worn ember
cream
waxen panther
aouaourwuraw 
mental meadow
vernal moth
.addcmd api https://minidigger.github.io/paper-api-diff/changes.html
Uff, if that's an official command now, does that mean i have to update it? 😂
worn pasture
terrorist
topaz mortar
💣
waxen panther
eyes
golden gust
Like, that thing will hurt like a bitch and you'll look like a moron laying in the street with a bomb ontop of you
worn ember
potent fossil
https://youtu.be/_bX5zwnQxA4
i watch a lot of gordon ramsay, and i mean a lot, and this "what" tops them all i swear to god. usually it's a what with a descending syllable at the end like he's angry or just british but this one had that ascending syllable, gordon looking to the heavens for forgiveness, and pure exasperation and i love it
worn ember
he's just genuinely so confused xD
potent fossil
ok...
potent fossil
discord trust and safety probably for < 13
limber knotBOT
If he lives in the EU, you might be able to depending on where exactly
golden gust
and in case of an emergency, crack my door
potent fossil
US has a law for it as well, COPPA
visual egret
germany
potent fossil
im half sure discord just enforces the US COPPA everywhere
limber knotBOT
Germany has even stricter laws, you basically cannot use the internet if you are under 16
worn ember
KAPPA
vernal moth
Germany has even stricter laws, you basically cannot use the internet if you are...
That's wrong
golden gust
basically
tropic flame
imagine kids revealing their real ages on discord smh
potent fossil
yeah i was gonna say i think i knew mini when he was 16 in irc
waxen panther
so theres a 11 year old on discord
just google for 5 seconds and find the page 
https://dis.gd/request
limber knotBOT
Yea, noone will check
waxen panther
mental meadow
Germany has even stricter laws, you basically cannot use the internet if you are...
lol
golden gust
that more to me just sounds like the legalities of it make it more suitable for websites to say fuq off until you're 16 or whatever
worn ember
do you need a passport yet to watch porn cat?
worn ember
Soon™️
cunning raft
oskar
golden gust
All of the ISPs are legally required to like, restrict you
visual egret
wat
vernal moth
Brexit will give them the indepence to implement suck a block 😂
visual egret
yeah
worn ember
how tf do you even do that xD
visual egret
im not breaking tos rn am i
cunning raft
the whole "dad" made my account thing doesn't fly with discord
i wouldn't provoke people when you're on thin ice too :p
worn ember
what if you are the dad?
vernal moth
Why do ppl even care about the age?
cunning raft
COPPA
visual egret
create a new account
vernal moth
If ppl annoy you, block them
visual egret
delete the old one
tropic flame
Why do ppl even care about the age?
this
waxen panther
delete your account then 
mental meadow
If ppl annoy you, block them
But drama!!!!
twin lagoon
aurora 
cunning raft
I thought you meant discord
golden gust
I mean, we've had the block over here in the UK for years
vernal moth
Use a custom client then
mental meadow
Drama!!! Gotta have drama!!!
potent fossil
random people reporting ages is stupid af, but if a server finds out they have to kick the person and report to T&C
waxen panther
visual egret
cat what block are you on about
mental meadow
That's true
golden gust
Basically, any largish ISP needs to have ways to prevent children from accessing adult content, so, you basically gotta opt into it
visual egret
oh yeah that
golden gust
and, the gov also requires that large ISPs maintain blocks against sites like TPB, etc
mental meadow
So if anyone in here is breaking tos we should ban them
golden gust
nope
twin lagoon
look ISPs can't block reddit or instagram porn
golden gust
appears to be network level
twin lagoon
there's plenty of ways for children
golden gust
I know one ISP that was using DNS level blocking
vernal moth
We have a dns block for a very limited list of sites (not gov mandated, it went thru court) but nobody cares
dim shadow
till tor/vpn knowledge becomes mainstream among even kids
golden gust
I mean, it pretty much is mainstream knowledge
dim shadow
i mean like operational knowledge
golden gust
Even before I was like, PC wizz kid, I knew about proxies and VPNs, etc
dim shadow
actually gettin shit running
golden gust
Nobody knows operational knowledge
olive marlin
We had government block gambling sites, just so they can regulate them and get more cash. They had to make public site of such sites, and their popularity grew quite a bit after the block lol
golden gust
You literally download a free client and connect to some service or hand over a couple of bucks
potent fossil
so like, yea, i 100% used sites like this when i was < 13 after i found out that COPPA meant I would need to lie and be smart about it ||and I actually support kids doing that because fuck people giving a shit about how old you are and preventing you from using services, by age 11 i was already a pretty seasoned netizen and knew what i was doing||
but servers still gotta act like it matters bc discord tos and dont wanna get nuked
golden gust
VPNs are a heavily touted way to bypass ISP restrictions, etc
worn ember
the pirate bay is blocked here by isp's along with some other torrenting sites, but thats it really
dim shadow
yes... not everyone can do all that without help lol
dim shadow
trust me i was pc teacher for a church once, ive seen true noobness
cunning raft
so like, yea, i 100% used sites like this when i was < 13 after i found out that...
i mean its not the service's fault
waxen panther
so like, yea, i 100% used sites like this when i was < 13 after i found out that...
i only care when it's extremely obvious personally 
potent fossil
"seasoned netizen"
dont make fun of me michal
cunning raft
it's the US' if anyone
twin lagoon
simple ur dum
golden gust
simple
potent fossil
why
cunning raft
but like protecting kids is pretty cool
golden gust
if you don't want to be made fun of, don'tmake it so easy
twin lagoon
brocc ur epic
potent fossil
thats a thing is it not .
visual egret
it appears to work on DNS level for me, also appears to block some things like youtube before they lifted the block after lots of people complained
twin lagoon
x
potent fossil
netizen .
golden gust
The thing is that sites generally have dozens upon dozens of legal requirements
potent fossil
.g netizen
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) The term netizen is a portmanteau of the words Internet and citizen, as in a "citizen of the net" or "net citizen". It describes a person actively involved in online communities or the Internet in general. The term commonly also implies an interest and active engagement in improving the Internet, making it an intellectual and a social resource, or its surrounding political structures, especially in regard to open access, net neutrality and free s
potent fossil
U fucks
golden gust
Like, afaik, sites basically cannot store your name if you're under 13 without parent consent type stuff
worn ember
where there is a horny person, there is a way 
golden gust
So, as kids, we all kinda just learnt to add like 10 years onto your age
potent fossil
yes
dim shadow
;-; i like my wild west style internet im sad the whole world cant have it
worn ember
the golden days of free internet are over lol
limber knotBOT
Make a new internetwork network
potent fossil
all these fuckers called me dumb when its a real word 
worn ember
tends to happen a lot here simple dw
dim shadow
Make a new internetwork network
im sure someone will do it better than i could ever hope to
if it gets really bad
lets go back to bbs's lol i always wanted to decorate a bbs
worn ember
public intranet runs
waxen panther
tends to happen a lot here simple dw
whether or not it was a real word is not the problem 
worn ember
yes u r
tropic flame
lmao TPB is blocked in portugal but then I just change my dns to cloudflare's
worn ember
potent fossil
whether or not it was a real word is not the problem <:Kappa:334076813867483137>
then WHAT is the problem
dim shadow
1.1.1.1 👌
potent fossil
u vegetabl
potent fossil
mfw being 23 is old 
cosmic raft
found a picture of broc destroying simple:
golden gust
simp, u r kinda dum doe
potent fossil
WHY
waxen panther
mfw being 23 is old <:PES_KindaCringe:644479445045870612>
for this discord it is 
dim shadow
we are old... the natural lifespan of man is 20-30s, we just got medicines n stuff
waxen panther
that kinda accident with simple would put his back out
cosmic raft
Damn, I turned 26 last month, ooof
golden gust
There is evidence of humans living much longer than that even before medicine, etc
potent fossil
damn cat old as fuck
dim shadow
i mean it makes sense, maybe some like rich royal tribal family in a relatively safe biome
would live longer than like their brothers out in the savannas
twin lagoon
@cosmic raft
dim shadow
pvping lions n shit
golden gust
medicene is one of our biggest strengths and biggest regrets these days
and cleaning products, etc
peak ginkgo
Medicine*^
peak ginkgo
<:suspiciouseyes:319979043682517002>
Love that emoji, have squint in return
golden gust
Like, you get some people who are such clean freaks that they literally induce cancer in themselves with all of the chemicals they throw around
peak ginkgo
dim shadow
awww thats sad that that happens tho
golden gust
And, then, god forbid that we allow our immune system to act like an immune system
Like, I'm conflicted with masks post pandemic
Like, you don't wanna be that asshole who gets the entire office sick
But, like, if we spend our whole lives tryna avoid stress on our immune system, what happens when we get sick?
peak ginkgo
I believe in my immune system, but I think that masks are def gonna continue past like
Everything
dim shadow
i mean is it worth to let so many ppl die just to get maybe a handful of ppl who develop a natural resistance? xD
peak ginkgo
There are already people who refuse to get the vaccine
mental meadow
I think it would be awesome if people who have like the flu wear masks in the future
peak ginkgo
Those people are going to be left to their devices
golden gust
I mean, the vaccine doesn't make you immune
I mean
It doesn't make you unable to transmit it
It's just you're able to fight it off, something like this is probs gonna be an issue for a good while
dim shadow
im not getting a vaccine at first lol i dont even go out anyway... ill wait to see if people start dying or turning into zombies or something
golden gust
and, I got health issues already, potentially CFS, I don't wanna go fucking with my immune system
peak ginkgo
At a really high level how long will it take for the virus to "die" and stop transmission completely
golden gust
We've had flu vaccines for how long?
dim shadow
yeah if anyone in my house get covid we're all dead... 2 old af 1 heavy vaper
so i wear mask 24/7 of the time im outside
mental meadow
I might be going into a clinic for a while soon so maybe I'll get the vaccine earlier that way :3
mental meadow
Cat why do u use tiktok
golden gust
thirst traps ❤️
mental meadow
Even I'm too old for that
golden gust
also, people ripping on that vegan teacher
potent fossil
this car i just stole in watch_dogs legion has this license plate lol https://owo.whats-th.is/8AJutxQ.png
dim shadow
the one with the cheerlead routine?
golden gust
probs
dim shadow
that was catchy af lol specially the sped up version
i dont even go on tiktok someone sent me it
golden gust
apparently she's in trouble having broken potentially like 7-9 canaderp laws
cosmic raft
dim shadow
i cant tell if hes actually making the music or just toggling playback settings
cosmic raft
skip ahead and you'll see what is happening
slim nymph
cat the vegan teacher is in trouble?
cosmic raft
he's playing with vocals around 6:30
slim nymph
i saw one weird video she put out once, cringe af
golden gust
That's sorta what I've been seeing on my feed recently
dim shadow
OMFG ITS MICHAEL JACKSON LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
dim shadow
omg it does say lol
sorry i avoid reading it strains my dorsal visual cortex
this is so cool tho
cosmic raft
yea
worn ember
spare venture
Last night my friends burned a couch on their front lawn. Then they put it out when it was halfway done burning, threw it in a dumpster, then the dumpster caught on fire
dull linden
ono!
worn ember
sounds like your average iq teenagers lul
waxen panther
sounds like your average iq teenagers lul
barty has finished college
worn ember
maybe his friends didnt 
spare venture
They are my age
waxen panther
worn ember
limber knotBOT
that explains barty's thought processes for some things
worn ember
when are you gonna hire me barty?
spare venture
For what
worn ember
to do nothing
spare venture
Is your rate still the same
spare venture
Well my server doesn’t have a store so I’m not making money
worn ember
its now 3$/h /s
spare venture
That’s out of my price range
waxen panther
payment in exposure ??
spare venture
I’ll take volunteer work!
worn ember
tbh i do get quite a bit of commissions but its all for dum dum 1.8
dim shadow
im an immigrant ill do whatever for half the cost
spare venture
It can count toward my community service for burning a couch
worn ember
so i refuse to do them
spare venture
Sadly it is illegal to burn couches on your lawn in my city
Due to it being very common
dim shadow
what if its a accident
spare venture
Illegal
dim shadow
ow
worn ember
imagine getting fined for your house burning down cuz ur couch was on fire
spare venture
Apparently the police didn’t care though
They said “yeah you can’t be doing that”
Then the firemen put it out and then they all drove away
dim shadow
+1pts police 👮♀️
spare venture
I was not involved
worn ember
burning anything in your backyard is illegal here
spare venture
Really?
worn ember
cuz people used to burn tires and other stuff with toxic fumes
worn ember
tf you mean extra wood???
worn ember
sell it lol
dim shadow
for bonfires and/or chimenny
worn ember
why would you burn it
spare venture
Who buys shitty trees
worn ember
i mean if its decent trees sure
spare venture
You would have to pay to have the wood taken, and then they would prob burn it
worn ember
otherwise you have to axel it and bring it to the recycle park
lul
yeah, i mean, you're not allowed to do it
people probably do tho
limber knotBOT
charcoal-broiled hot dogs
worn ember
you can have bonfires with permission from the fire department
well more like the big campfires i mean
golden gust
what god forsaken part of the world are you from again?
worn ember
bonfires are fine i think
but in the scouts we used to make 5m tall wood structures and set them on fire lul
visual egret
Where is a player located when reading the credits from the end?
worn ember
obv you had to have permission for that
golden gust
Aha
worn ember
but usually it was fine cuz it was in the woods in open areas
golden gust
https://www.tiktok.com/@theycallmetoby2/video/6916710161381952773?lang=en | Is the video I wanted to link earlier
olive marlin
Speaking of TikTok, they stopped reading people's profiles. I'm a DevOps, not SE SRE lol
limber knotBOT
SRE is like a more focused version of devops
iirc
oh
I thought site reliability engineer
lol
SRE is not software engineer lul
never seen "SRE" used like that ever
olive marlin
Why they want Software Engineer SRE lol
worn ember
only mails i get are about hot singles in my area and some Nigerian prince who is my long lost uncle and wants to donate 50btc
worn ember
i had to reinstall my Dell™️ drivers on my laptop cuz it wouldnt detect my headset anymore
golden gust
impying recruiters read roles, etc
most of them rarely have half a clue of what they're recruiting for ;P
limber knotBOT
worn ember
Ohlala
limber knotBOT
apparently one of my emails was in some crypto site that I never used for years and their mailing list got leaked
and now I forever get stupid crypto junk
olive marlin
Imagine not using email per website, so you can block it.
crystal compass
Does anyone know if worldguard has a way to disable griefprevention claiming for specific regions
golden gust
worldguard is a.. well, region plugin
golden gust
outside of blacklisting the command in a region, it's up to the plugin which wants to mess around with regions to have some restriction for that
limber knotBOT
cuz sure as hecc wizjany ain't gonna hook into GP especially when GP hooks into worldguard lol
worn ember
it really do be christmas
limber knotBOT
dumeye u should just merge rtp with the one true wild tp
worn ember
u merge with me instead
worn ember
https://github.com/DarkEyeDragon/RandomTeleport master do be old tho
limber knotBOT
ok which branch den
worn ember
dev
slim nymph
Why they want Software Engineer SRE lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_reliability_engineering#DevOps_vs_SRE
That role seems kinda in line with what you do. We have a guy that leads our ops team that is int hat same role. he was orig a lead developer on the dev team but moved over to ops, so he fits that role description.
limber knotBOT
she put Software Engineer (SRE)
slim nymph
def better to have people like that on ops so they can actually develop code solutions to fix an issue when needed
limber knotBOT
unless she really meant site reliability
slim nymph
yes, SRE is a form of Software Engineeering
its SRE focused Software Engineering role
where your development tasks are operations focused
limber knotBOT
phrasing it like that makes it seem she abbreviated "Software Engineer" to "SRE" tho
worn ember
Senior REeeing?
limber knotBOT
at least that's how I read it
would expect a slash or something if she really meant it the other way
golden gust
I mean, with all the modern tooling, devs are getting closer to that kinda stuff
slim nymph
I read it as Software Engineer (Site Reliability Engineer), as a sub classification
limber knotBOT
hecc, I don't think I can PR across different repos lol
olive marlin
Given that I have 0 professional experience with SE, not sure how good of I fit i'd be lol
But then again, I was thinking about my next job being SE, just so that I can see how it is and whether I like DevOps or SE more.
limber knotBOT
nobody wants 2 download and update addons
runtime dependencies sound like a ton of fun
slim nymph
Given that I have 0 professional experience with SE, not sure how good of I fit ...
Then DevOps isnt really a fitting title for you, just Operations Engineer
slim nymph
DevOps is by design a mix of development and operations
worn ember
just need a proper backend for hosting them
slim nymph
most of my ops team doesnt have development, just the manager does
limber knotBOT
so much work wen my patented method gets 'em all
olive marlin
I was the person that wrote most code and tools in all projects I was in. And I write a lot of code myself. I'm the person SE/QA usually talked to, and mostly did stuff for them.
slim nymph
dev ops was kinda the bridge to replace dedicated operations team, where the development team also covered operations, and controlled the full start to finish pipeline
well then why do you say you dont have experience then lol, thats experience
olive marlin
But still heavily ops-centric.
slim nymph
so, still development experience
olive marlin
I said I have no professional SE experience. Haven't worked in a software team etc.
My work was mainly Ansible/Jenkins plugins and scripts, Infra managing programs etc.
limber knotBOT
that's already more than most of the "ops" people I know
olive marlin
But I was alone with doing it, kinda.
limber knotBOT
most "pure ops" people don't think much about automation, especially when given a GUI
olive marlin
I love automation, ideally everything I have is in configs etc. Have my own libs for interacting i.e. with docker registry to clean it up etc.
Though I don't trust myself with data at all, so I need everything I can have in git.
I know it might be stupid, given I run a rather small server, but my goal is to have a decent CI/CD coverage for it etc. With A LOT of custom code needed, given I want to have all my setup opensource.
limber knotBOT
is it as automated as my meme serbur tho
olive marlin
Robo CI/CD?
limber knotBOT
no server but I have a script that does it for half of the 100+ plugins lol
olive marlin
I have a script for checking for plugin updates and downloading them. But sadly can't 100% automate that cause stupid spigot download behind CF.
limber knotBOT
lol
I only download from a few
mostly those with complicated builds or NMS dependencies like EssentialsX
and I do it from their CI
the rest I compile
olive marlin
So I have it throw" You need to download manually from:" and list of URLS.
I was thinking about adding fallback to headless selenium to bypass CF.
limber knotBOT
bukkitdev allows cli downloads
and has a latest endpoint
So bukkitdev > spigot resources?
and soon I'll use its API for upload endpoint too
olive marlin
Yeah. I support dbo, spiget, github and jenkins iirc.
olive marlin
I only use Spiget if resource is not available through other means.
Want to add option to build the plugins from source to the script.
But not sure if it wouldn't be better to just finish setting up Vault (after writing my password_store<->vault syncer) and just throw all OS plugins to my CI server, so that I can download from there.
limber knotBOT
that's what I do, build from source
downloads are jankier usually and often change a lot
especially CIs
essentialsX changed their stuff around too a few times
for those that append version I download the zip and extract lol
ya, no ratings, and you can disable comments too
actual moderation tools
I've considered setting up a CI server for building plugins but I run as lean as possible and hosting and stuff I don't
really care about if it's just for my server
olive marlin
For those that append version (GR, Jenkins etc), I just do regex matching.
I know it's Janky, but have no better alternative.
limber knotBOT
how do you regex then
olive marlin
I get list of them through API.
vernal moth
somebody send me an issue that one of my projects doesnt work
I checked it out, could reproduce the error, cant fix it
do I just ignore the email? 😂
olive marlin
I did some ordering based on the prefix of the artifact.
quasi valley
inb4 he writes a new mail in 2026
olive marlin
I think you can add /api anywhere to jenkins path to see API for that part.
vernal moth
Could not initialize class org.jetbrains.kotlin.gradle.internal.KotlinSourceSetProviderImplKt
reeee
olive marlin
(Doesn't work if you cna't get it through API, but that's usually plugin settings etc.)
vernal moth
"> failed to read class file /mnt/d/IntellijProjects/MiniLauncher/JMCCC/jmccc/build/classes/java/test/org/to2mbn/jmccc/test/TestUtils.class"
reeee
ok am out
if you wanna make some guy happy, make this compileable https://github.com/MiniDigger/Minilauncher
I only run it via the ide
via gradle its broke hard
poor dude wants to play mc on a pi with a friend, but they got MSA accounts and no other launcher works on there
olive marlin
Hmm, I get:
* What went wrong:
java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: org/openjfx/gradle/JavaFXPlugin has been compiled by a more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 55.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0
> org/openjfx/gradle/JavaFXPlugin has been compiled by a more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 55.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0
gotta use java 11
the commit I pushed should in theory fix it, but everything breaks when I do that
olive marlin
I thought I used 11 by default, must have switched for something back to 8.
java -jar build/libs/MinecraftLauncher-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT-all.jar
Error: Could not find or load main class me.minidigger.minecraftlauncher.launcher.LauncherMain
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: me.minidigger.minecraftlauncher.launcher.LauncherMain
Compiles just fine when you skip tests 
olive marlin
./gradlew assemble
olive marlin
Build tasks
-----------
assemble - Assembles the outputs of this project.
build - Assembles and tests this project.
Not sure what's the diff between assemble and jar though.
vernal moth
mmh, shadow is getting enabled
olive marlin
And I get shadow jar created just fine.
unzip -l build/libs/MinecraftLauncher-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT-all.jar
Archive: build/libs/MinecraftLauncher-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT-all.jar
Length Date Time Name
--------- ---------- ----- ----
0 2021-01-12 20:42 META-INF/
92 2021-01-12 20:42 META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
--------- -------
92 2 file
kek
olive garden
haha, I cant compile cause my java version is too new
what error do you get?
curious what breaks in later versions
olive marlin
Both produced jars only have meta-inf.
vernal moth
"Error: JavaFX runtime components are missing, and are required to run this application"
kek
olive garden
that's boring
vernal moth
curious what breaks in later versions
accessing a class that has been removed, Pack200
but prof, gotta "java -jar launcher\build\libs\launcher-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT-all.jar"
olive garden
sounds like a lawnmover
olive marlin
> Task :JMCCC/jmccc-mcdownloader:compileJava
/tmp/MiniLauncher/JMCCC/jmccc-mcdownloader/src/main/java/org/to2mbn/jmccc/mcdownloader/provider/PackProcessor.java:21: warning: [removal] Pack200 in java.util.jar has been deprecated and marked for removal
import java.util.jar.Pack200.Unpacker;
^
/tmp/MiniLauncher/JMCCC/jmccc-mcdownloader/src/main/java/org/to2mbn/jmccc/mcdownloader/provider/PackProcessor.java:39: warning: [removal] Unpacker in Pack200 has been deprecated and marked for removal
private Unpacker unpacker = Pack200.newUnpacker();
^
/tmp/MiniLauncher/JMCCC/jmccc-mcdownloader/src/main/java/org/to2mbn/jmccc/mcdownloader/provider/PackProcessor.java:39: warning: [removal] Pack200 in java.util.jar has been deprecated and marked for removal
private Unpacker unpacker = Pack200.newUnpacker();
^
3 warnings
Oh, was expecting parent project to have it.
Mini, ppl seem talking about workaround using a "proxy" main class.
Could also look into using JLink, but that seems like more work, and jar is not cross-platform: https://bitbucket.org/FlPe/javafx_jlink_example/src/master/build.gradle
vernal moth
I send a reply with what I had, and asked him to join here for further debugging, lets see 😄
but basically jfx on java11+ is a pita
warm anchor
wide chasm
iirc pi edition is dead
worn ember
<a:dedpet:798588272833986570>
excuse me but do you have rights to use that image sir
warm anchor
Hold on let me ask
olive garden
lmao your face is being stroked instead of your hair
warm anchor
@worn ember can I use your image ?
worn ember
yes lol idm
warm anchor
@worn ember the person said it was ok
worn ember
great
warm anchor
lmao your face is being stroked instead of your hair
That’s the way he likes it 😉
worn ember
restive thicket
https://i.imgur.com/mEkHrt8.png
There is a Pi Edition, but it's horribly outdated and based on a horribly outdated Pocket Edition version.
worn ember
i almost reached 6k lines on rtp
fiery orbit
Does anyone know what could possibly be going on? We have a massive memory leak and all I can figure out from this is that it has got something to do with Mysql :P
worn ember
that looks very readable
olive marlin
spartan lol
waxen panther
worn ember
probably not closing/cleaning mysql connections properly
thats about all i can read in that screenshot
fiery orbit
Something like that yeah, next thing to figure out is why 😅
Oh boy this gonna be long day
olive marlin
Make your server restart every day to fix the leak /s
fiery orbit
"fix"
golden gust
Sounds like some plugin isn't closing jdbc resources properly
limber knotBOT
could be a valid solution ¯_(ツ)_/¯
but obviously only for servers that can afford a mem leak
worn ember
now you just gotta figure out which plugin is fucking up
fiery orbit
Too bad almost everything uses mysql, but yeah 
This is so bad restart is sadly not an option anymore
worn ember
https://www.eclipse.org/mat/ maybe you'll have more luck doing a memory dump and reading it with MAT, helped me a bunch in the past
limber knotBOT
Wait, it's getting updates?
quasi valley
why wouldn't it be
worn ember
always has been
limber knotBOT
It's interface looked outdated last time I used it and thought it hadn't received an update in a long time, and yet it was updated less than a month ago
worn ember
well not the gui 🙂
that one is pretty trash yes
its apparently really hard to make proper designs for things lol
limber knotBOT
yeah, I've noticed when I was doing web dev
worn ember
webdev is the most annoying one to make proper designs for lol
stupid scaling and views
slim nymph
that orig screenshot seemed it was spartan
so, complain to it
gg,discords "approve auth your account" screen scrolls off the browser window, disabled the scroll bar, and disables right click
so unless you know how to use dev tools, no authorizing for you
worn ember
warm anchor
I actually like the QR code quick login
worn ember
yeah the qr thing is neat
spare venture
do you log in and out often?
waxen panther
discord developers page makes me login almost everytime i visit it
spare venture
o
worn ember
i usually only have to relog on my laptop
unkempt drift
and their linux package also forgets creds a lot
this seems to happen to me a lot as well
OutOfMemory?
spare venture
happens when i teleport to a world
potent fossil
@waxen panther u r moar gamer 
zealous wedge
@waxen panther - very epic / helpful / gamer
waxen panther
😳
potent fossil
<3
zealous wedge
sad
waxen panther
zealous wedge
@discord pls fix
waxen panther
waxen panther
most of these have been idle games i am not addicted i swear
warm anchor
Wow god gamer
kind island
Eh guys
kind island
is forceupgrading the same thing as clearing cache and optimize world in minecraft?
potent fossil
not exactly, no
kind island
whats the diffrence?
potent fossil
force upgrading is touching every chunk and explicitly making sure it is upgraded to the new server version
without it, chunks only get upgraded when loaded by a player
kind island
but this is doing every chunk?
potent fossil
Yes. It says all chunks.
kind island
aah so force only do chunks that are near player
potent fossil
what
kind island
chunks only get upgraded if players are near it with force upgrading?
potent fossil
that's without force upgrading
olive marlin
Nope. Force-upgrade is "Before starting the server, load every single chunk".
kind island
but its doing all chunks right now in vanilla mc? im confused xD
kind island
this is vanilla mc <_<
potent fossil
It's probably normal.
olive marlin
Vanilla has "optimize" button.
twin lagoon
that is one fancy UI
potent fossil
Haven't seen that UI before, if vanilla cool
olive marlin
Which afaik runs --force-upgrade, not sure if it also nukes light cache.
kind island
im wondering if forceupgrading is the same thing because this takes years and people are telling me its gonna be faster in paper
olive marlin
michael 
Force upgrade will be faster in paper.
But unless you are coming from pre-1.13, no need to use it.
potent fossil
oh, yes, absolutely faster in paper lol
kind island
this is 1.12.2
waxen panther
potent fossil
kind island
well
waxen panther
@limpid comet 
kind island
i guess this is great stream content xD
been streaming me upgrading for like 10 hours xD
spiral robin
kind island
even got a 10 bucks donation xD
olive marlin
Then you definitely should do forceupgrade.
limpid comet
@waxen panther @spiral robin
kind island
but how can forceupgrade be faster? o.o
olive marlin
upgrade from 1.12 -> 1.13 is slow. And usually you cna't afford it.
twin lagoon
aber
olive marlin
Paper has a lot faster chunk loading etc.
twin lagoon
bloodstone how's ur thesis
olive marlin
Try it and see 🙂
twin lagoon
spiral robin
kind island
but is it doing everything as good as vanilla?
olive marlin
bloodstone how's ur thesis
I've finished my chapter. Wanted to talk with my teacher (idk how you call that person), but he said he has some issues and rescheduled it.
olive marlin
but is it doing everything as good as vanilla?
Yes. DFU isn't touched by Paper.
kind island
DFU?
cosmic raft
It is :p
olive marlin
If everything goes well, next week I'll be done with the thesis 🙂
twin lagoon
wtf
kind island
@cosmic raft did u say that to me :d?
dim shadow
happy bday proffessor 🥳
kind island
and what does DFU mean xD
waxen panther
aaa
olive marlin
Data Fixer Upper
waxen panther
happy belated birthday!
cosmic raft
Yes. DFU isn't touched by Paper.
It is
olive marlin
Mojang code for migrating stuff etc.
kind island
<_<
vestal jasper
@waxen panther happy birthday!
waxen panther
yes
waxen panther
only 9 months to go
dim shadow
2 bdays in arrow?
waxen panther
kind island
@cosmic raft would paper forceupgrade work as good as vanilla optimize and clear cache? time aint an issue for me
waxen panther
if time isnt an issue why not just use the vanilla one :p
kind island
well if it does it as good as vanilla then there would be no point in just waiting longer :d
kind island
about 10 hours
olive marlin
I don't see/imagine why Paper would do it worse.
kind island
at 18% now
cosmic raft
The thing is
It would do the same, but the logic that is running is not really something that changed much (if at all) if I remember right
it's literally just reading, upgrading, writing
left swift
happy birthday
kind island
So if nothing has changed then paper would technicly have the same speed?
cosmic raft
It should not be much of a speed difference, if any, really
kind island
alright thx 😄
spiral robin
hello kashike
coarse lily
Hi aber
spiral robin
hello ocelot
waxen panther
coarse lily
Hey brocc
spiral robin
broccoooooo ur so cuteee
waxen panther
ur cuter
void void
Sup
waxen panther
i am everywhere
waxen panther
🕵️
limber knotBOT
does any dumcordian remember the old paper logo
void void
Why do u hate discord
coarse lily
I forget the old logo.
limber knotBOT
or r u 2 dum of a youngin
vernal moth
@void void did you play with that deobfuscation tool?
it doesnt seem to work, like at all
the executions seem to do like nothing
void void
which
vernal moth
