general

[vernal moth]

corona good

😄

[heady spear]

proxi skatteverket är vår viktigaste myndighet lol

[unreal quarry]

you just need a sugar momma. equal rights, amirite?

[heady spear]

annars får ju inte politikerna pengar till sina löner !!

[minor badge]

det tror jag inte på

[heady spear]

Skatteverket får inte stänga ner nuuuu jag behöver besked lol

[minor badge]

politikerna får ju direkt betalning från dem rika

[vernal moth]

fyi thats a thing billy

[heady spear]

Hoppas de sänker arbetsgivaravgifterna igen

[minor badge]

kek

aldrig

[heady spear]

de gjorde det 2020 såååå hoppas de gör det 2021

men fuck off jag vill ha mina pengar >:((

im out here spending like 3% on fucking parental insurance because yay ??

[minor badge]

de kommer bara öka andra skattar då?

[heady spear]

nä

de gjorde det för att rädda företagare

[minor badge]

ooo

igigig

icicic*

hec

[heady spear]

hecc

[unreal quarry]

wtf happened to #general

[heady spear]

du får även avdrag om du anställer nya ppl för att minska arbetslösheten

[minor badge]

general ? whats that ?

[worn ember]

who knows

[minor badge]

i only know of #nutrition-science and #sweden

[unreal quarry]

could have swore there was a english only rule, but i guess it was removed in paper 2.0

[vernal moth]

seriously guys

[minor badge]

@heady spear kanske därför de anställde mig kek

[vernal moth]

keep it in english I said it before

[worn ember]

imagine not speaking english on a public discord, disgustan

[heady spear]

no one tells simple to stop speaking stroke all the time smh

this is just prejudice against scandinavians

[vernal moth]

nobody tells me to stop speaking minilang either

[heady spear]

we deserve rights too

[worn ember]

go make a reddit thread about it

[vernal moth]

we just hate you in particular city, you know that 😛

[heady spear]

ok but proxi?

[minor badge]

i am collateral is all

[heady spear]

hating proxi is illegal

[minor badge]

i know mini loves me

[vernal moth]

you tempted her!

[worn ember]

i hate you all equally, so no discrimination here

[heady spear]

she STARTED

[vernal moth]

clearly you are thinking in swedish, so you started, smh

[worn ember]

mini, do you think in german?

[heady spear]

wait so the guy in charge of FHM stated that ansiktsskydd inte hjälper in Europe but they're still recommending dem av någon reason

[worn ember]

i think in english most of the time tbh

[vernal moth]

yeah, its kinda happening for me too

[limber knot]

It's strange

[worn ember]

sometimes it transitions midway hah

[vernal moth]

especially during covid, when I spend more time online and sitting in voice chat with ppl, than talking to coworkers and stuff

friends are the only onces I regularly speak german to I guess

[worn ember]

yeah

[unreal quarry]

i thought everyone thought in Klingon

[vernal moth]

that doesnt only happen to me in thoughts, but also speech

[worn ember]

mfw the voice in your head is bilingual

[vernal moth]

sometimes, when my brain cant find a german word, it just switches to english for like 2 sentences before I realize

[worn ember]

yeah, sometimes i dont remember the dutch word and just say it in english and hope they understood

[vernal moth]

my friends got used to that by now, lol

[worn ember]

fucking finally got it working lmao, stupid bungee

[vernal moth]

I feel like I can think better in english nowadays, like finding the right words, but my english pronunciation is still horrible

not that my german pronunciation is good

[worn ember]

both are fine for me, its sometimes just specific words you wont use often in dutch that slip my mind

[visual egret]

can anyone who is an epic pvp expert help me test this gamemode

[olive marlin]

I want to do something with my money, since I have quite a bit saved up, just don't have time (studies, personal projects, work...) and willingness to learn how not to loose all my cash. I feel like I'm better off investing in myself, which makes me earn more. Just at a point where the increase is questionable compared to savings.

[visual egret]

create a practice account on trading 212

[limber knot]

just buy bitcoinw hen it's not over 10k lol

[visual egret]

:)

[limber knot]

(and don't invest all your money in the same thing)

[olive marlin]

Yeah. Wouldn't want to do that.

[visual egret]

any advantages to use the WaterFall API over the Bungee API?

[worn ember]

i dont think the api has changed much

its more impl i think

[visual egret]

ah so waterfall is like paper but just the peformance part

[olive marlin]

Just not sure I have the mental capacity to think about watching stocks and doing moves etc. And all the legal and tax stuff.

[worn ember]

better support for mods

thats about all i know

[visual egret]

any reason to migrate to velocity?

[worn ember]

no clue ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[olive marlin]

You don't need to deal with bungee crap api.

[visual egret]

great, so i can rewrite my bungee plugin but its harder? /s

any other reason?

[limpid comet]

wayyy faster

way more lightweight

modern forwarding, pog

[twin lagoon]

can also look into btc future trading

[vernal moth]

velocity is bae

[visual egret]

ok, time to migrate to velocity

[limpid comet]

don't take it from us, read their docs

[waxen panther]

It’s better in every way

[visual egret]

yeah it looks like it from the wiki

[olive marlin]

I'll probably end up investing by either buying an apartment or a plot of land or something. Idk, seems less risky for me and might use my investment if I'll get apartment.

[visual egret]

i store all of my minecraft servers with git 😎

[olive marlin]

Woops, I think I forgot to turn of stupid reply mention...

[twin lagoon]

mmmm

that's also an option yes

well that is if you've got a lot of money

housing is expensive as fuck here + taxes

so i'd probably be sticking to cryptocurrency & stocks

[olive marlin]

I have enough credit score and cash, that it shouldn't be a problem now. And from initial research it seemed like it's worth buying one on credit VS buying just with cash.

[visual egret]

boost credit score ^

[olive marlin]

Housing can be expensive here. In my city most decent apartments start at 1 million.

But I live in capitol city, so...

[visual egret]

yo kash i solved your issues:
you can search through forks on github

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/5OHuhPJ.png

reeee

[olive marlin]

That comment above lol

[limber knot]

you can search forks if u have more stars than the OG repo

or *that fork

[lyric patio]

uwu

[vernal moth]

fyi, its io.netty.channel.ChannelException

[limber knot]

set tabs aside in Edge is such a wonderful feature I had over 42 tabs opened, and instead of attending to them I just stuff 'em away to never see them again for a few years

[lyric patio]

thanks martin

[limber knot]

idk when they'll ever bring that to their chromium one

[lyric patio]

its just too long :/

[limber knot]

there are extensions which just save tabs into bookmarks

[vernal moth]

was about to say, I havent noticed that yet

I use edge chromium exclusively at work now

[limber knot]

hecc, 2 long here 2

ayy kashike does ur #korobi channel ban for name changes or somethin

[fallen oracle]

What was the version that Java 11 doesn't work below? 1.12?

[restive thicket]

I think I've ran Spigot 1.8.8 in Java 11.

[fallen oracle]

You sure? I could've sworn there was netty problems.

[restive thicket]

I suppose it's possible. Lemme try now.

Oh, I see.

Yeah, you're right, Netty breaks things.

[minor badge]

@restive thicket uwu

[slim nymph]

someone said if you disable native epoll, itll work on older mc

but youll be taking a network performance hit there

but shouldnt impact tps, no different than using windows 😛

[golden gust]

Yea, it's just netty which makes it fail

[slim nymph]

could prob also update netty in the older jars too?

[restive thicket]

Yes, disabling native transport makes it work.

[peak dirge]

I talked to someone who still runs 1.8 and he couldn't update it to Netty 4.1, so yeah

I'm sure you can actually update 1.8 to use Netty 4.1, but bleh, please let 1.8 die

[restive thicket]

Amen.

[quasi valley]

there's people thinking we're gonna fix 1.8 Via issues

[limber knot]

viaversion is the reason

protocolsupport is where it should be at

[unkempt drift]

ikr!???! Needed to watch that ASAP.

[peak dirge]

@quasi valley y u no fix 1.8 i wanna be stuck in da past!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111!!!!!!11!!!!1

[twin lagoon]

@quasi valley cunt

[cunning raft]

[spiral robin]

[limber knot]

RoboMWM: no

I changed my nickname then couldn't change it back cuz banned somehow

[heady spear]

@potent fossil ur a fart face

command removal is annoying !!

[lyric patio]

viaversion is trash

lol

[twin lagoon]

@quasi valley

you hear that man kenny?

fuck him up kenny

[still cosmos]

but srsly why via exists

all it does is to let people run cough 1.8 pvp servers cough

[quasi valley]

https://github.com/cuchu-fleto/spigot-plugins-public/blob/master/NightVision/src/live/PowerBlock/NightVision/NightVision.java I think this is all I have to say/send, that speaks for itself :kappa:

[twin lagoon]

bro wtf kenny ur doxing him

[quasi valley]

literally linked in his discord profile

[twin lagoon]

doxxed

[quasi valley]

otherwise I'd have ignored it 😂

[twin lagoon]

@mental meadow ban kenny for doxing

[spiral robin]

Michael is cute

[slim nymph]

cool: https://discord.com/developers/docs/interactions/slash-commands

[vernal moth]

yeah, finally bots that dont suck

[olive marlin]

Yeah. I noticed it a few days ago when someone made a PR to lib I'm using. It'll be so cool.

But not for Paper - we are still stuck with IRC bots.

[slim nymph]

no we arent lol

we have stuff on Dyno now too

[twin lagoon]

[slim nymph]

?tag list

[leaden oxide]

No tag list found.

[slim nymph]

?tag

[leaden oxide]

**Command:** ?tag

Description: Get or create a tag
Cooldown: 5 seconds
Sub Commands:
?tag raw - Get the raw tag for use copying/editing.
?tag category - Create a tag category.
?tag categories - List tag categories.
?tag create - Create a new tag.
?tag edit - Edit an existing tag.
?tag delete - Delete an existing tag.
?tag delcat - Delete a category.
Usage:
?tag [tag name]
?tag category [cat name]
?tag create [tag name] [content]
?tag edit [tag name] [content]
?tag delete [tag name]
Example:
?tag create how2invite Invite Dyno to your server at https://dyno.gg/invite
?tag edit how2invite Invite Dyno to your server at https://dyno.gg/invite
?tag how2invite
?tag delete how2invite
?tag category howto
?tag create howto how2invite Invite Dyno to your server at https://dyno.gg/invite
?tag delcat howto

[twin lagoon]

the better question is why are they all called Quill

https://owo.whats-th.is/5a3eySs.png

[slim nymph]

why the fuck is list not a subcommand

[twin lagoon]

@mossy vessel uwu

[mossy vessel]

uwu

[slim nymph]

Quill = bot, doesnt matter what bot provider

[twin lagoon]

what

[olive marlin]

?tag categories

[twin lagoon]

why

is this some IRC reference

[limber knot]

no

[slim nymph]

Quill is a writing tool, to write on.... Paper

[twin lagoon]

o

oh

[limber knot]

it's a yooka laylee reference

xd

[twin lagoon]

would Book be the papermc git organisation

[waxen panther]

awa

[slim nymph]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quill

[twin lagoon]

barty gets it

[lyric patio]

ok and

[quasi valley]

nothing, I just sent a link to a class =^]

[lyric patio]

tryna come after my spaghetti code 😠

[quasi valley]

spaghet is tasty tho 🍝

[lyric patio]

wow looking back at that hurts me on a different level everythings so far apart in my code

i have definitely changed and do not do this at all anymore

[twin lagoon]

[true canyon]

The custom inventory display is a resource pack, data pack, something pack right?

[vernal moth]

do I spot gradients?

[true canyon]

Is there any public info on how to do those kind of resource pack inventories?

[vernal moth]

uuffffff

why

theres that one really good vid about resource packs

[true canyon]

Assigning an image to a character in a font to make the inventory have no visible slots? To make the text giant?

[vernal moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9bjbL1dYAE

[true canyon]

Neat. And we're still limited to one resource pack meaning if a plugin wants to do stuff they'd need to just provide a 'how-to' to the server admin right? Plus, changes between MC versions I imagine making that hard to distribute to folks anyway?

[twin lagoon]

yes & no

the resource packs are generally version independent

i don't think anything broke after 1.14 so far

[olive marlin]

Plugin can bundle RP, but have option to disable automatically sending it and letting server owner extract it and combine with their master RP.

But I think you still need just 1 RP sent from server.

[twin lagoon]

you can only use 1 RP

you can send multiple but you'd override the first one

there's a metric fuckton of shit you can do with resource packs nowadays

slowly seeing more and more servers utilising them

item skins, custom blocks, custom items, custom guis, pets / 3d models in general

some take it further with custom mobs etc

however, unlike bedrock where you can do all of that natively (for the most part atleast), java still requires a lot of serverside hackery to accomplish that

[stiff yarrow]

That looks really nice barty, nice idea and execution

[twin lagoon]

i'm not too big of a fan of the header text

feels unnatural with the default mc pack

[stiff yarrow]

resource packs sound like fun, kind of reminds me of when we had spout

[twin lagoon]

spout is able to accomplish more though

[vernal moth]

mfw I am done with mojmap paper, but it doesnt start cause log4j is angry

[twin lagoon]

use the default mc ones?

lol

[stiff yarrow]

anyone got links to docs/resources on how to get started making resource packs

[twin lagoon]

mc wiki is very well documented

but a lot of mc resource pack stuff is trickery

there's some more variations on the minecraftia font iirc

there might be one that's a bit more bold & bigger

[stiff yarrow]

yeah I kind of understood you'd have to be doing some hacky stuff

can you make models in blender or do you got to hardcode them

[twin lagoon]

people tend to use blockbench

.g blockbench

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://blockbench.net/

[stiff yarrow]

now to think of a silly mod to make with resource packs

[twin lagoon]

some of the tricks are things like abusing blockstates

since you can give each block a different texture depending on the blockstates

then you have the font stuff barty mentioned above to get custom guis

or just custom icons ingame

[stiff yarrow]

1.14 was the MC that added custom models right

[twin lagoon]

think it was added before but 1.14 is the version that popped off

since it has more seamless resource pack loading

.g itemsadder spigotmc

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/✅must-have✅-itemsadder✨custom-items-huds-guis-mobs-3dmodels-emojis-blocks-wings-hats-liquids.73355/

[twin lagoon]

itemsadder is a decent plugin to demonstrate what's possible

covers pretty much all of it

[fallen oracle]

IJ has started acting dumb recently. For some reason, it opens the project folder in a parent directory above the normal one and it starts indexing all my damn files instead of just the project directory.

[true canyon]

My constant nightmare

[stiff yarrow]

@twin lagoon that seems cool

[stiff yarrow]

you probably accidentally started a new project one directory level above

[fallen oracle]

I wonder.

But wouldn't it remember the past one?

[stiff yarrow]

it would probably show the old project under recent projects

but I'm not an expert on IJ mechanics

[fallen oracle]

Just double checked and I don't see any abnormal folders.

[lyric hinge]

There's not a ProtocolLib Discord or anyone from their team here, is there?

[twin lagoon]

dmulloy is in here

[stiff yarrow]

@fallen oracle have you tried opening a project by folder and choosing the old (correct) directory

[fallen oracle]

Well, what's weird is that IntelliJ Toolbox shows the correct latest directory for it, but, when you open it, it opens in the parent.

[stiff yarrow]

you can see projects in toolbox? I thought it was just an app launcher

[left swift]

Hey Barty do you know how many unique players have joined your server so far

[fallen oracle]

Yeah

[stiff yarrow]

oh what do you know there is a projects tab

neat

[lyric hinge]

Thanks - sorry for the ping @gilded shuttle but not sure if you're aware of the CI being down - https://ci.dmulloy2.net/job/ProtocolLib/lastSuccessfulBuild/ gives a 503 error 🙂

[novel horizon]

12GB of RAM should be plenty for like 20 players, right? 🤔

[twin lagoon]

more than plenty

[novel horizon]

Need to make some adjustments to be more stable at 20 TPS, now running into few issues ^^ was fine, but also weird. I didn't find anything exactly, but sometimes 20 players is fine and sometimes 22 is quite taking resources, maybe some people have something horrible at home, lol

I didn't find anything though 🤔

I have 10G now with 16G on Ptero, but for some reason, it got from morning to now to 15GB used of these 16

I decreased the entities a bit and changed some settings, so I'll see what happens

[waxen panther]

[novel horizon]

I'll leave it at 10G for startup, but still weird how can it go so high

Pterodactyl, not java directly

🤷‍♂️

idk

it's just weird

15G by afternoon lol

11G is fine

but why it goes to 15G fter like 10 hours

10 G for java

it was taking 11GB, which is fine

[visual egret]

its sick

[novel horizon]

There's some RAM taken outside of the java assigned to the server too though

There's room for it

https://aikar.co/2018/07/02/tuning-the-jvm-g1gc-garbage-collector-flags-for-minecraft/

Talking about

Well, that's the thing

Why it takes 15 GB lol

[visual egret]

something that automates aikars flags: https://startmc.sh/

[novel horizon]

That's what's weird to me

🤷‍♂️

it goes up and up

[fallen oracle]

Whoever made the site should make an option that says something like "I am on ptero" and it adjusts the values so it doesn't hit OOM.

[novel horizon]

Kinda, but still

I have a room there, had it like 2G

but I increased it, because why not

[waxen panther]

Our lovely bluely made it <3

And amber

Aber*

[novel horizon]

Idk, goes up and up lol

the only thing that's different is I use java 11 now

thanks, appreciate it 👍

[waxen panther]

lol barty server owners don’t understand 99% of what they run, that’s barely advice

[novel horizon]

doesn't matter

^^

gonna be better surely

made some adjustments and gonna make few more and see

had it at 16 G

I'll see later, time will tell

Ptero is a website that helps you control those servers, it runs in docker

Assigning that much RAM is just a headroom, not like it should use everything ^^

But later I'll see what happens, already made changes, so x)

[slim nymph]

it will "use" up to Xmx, but it will slowly go over that

[novel horizon]

Exactly

[iron zephyr]

Anyone used these plugins? https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/chunkmaster.71351/

https://papermc.io/forums/t/1-13-2-1-16-4-chunky-pregenerator/4850/3

They look like they could be more convenient than worldborder

[twin lagoon]

chunky is best

[novel horizon]

What I said is that in morning, xmx on 10G, got immediately at 11G, which is not that weird, Aikar. But now it's at 15G used (in Pterodactyl)

[twin lagoon]

also did you sort out things with dedicatedmc @iron zephyr

[limber knot]

!kickban imaBASKET Admitting ban evasion is no way to ban evade.

[twin lagoon]

that sounds like the weird politics guy

[iron zephyr]

@twin lagoon I did, thank you for the connection! They were really awesome and super generous. For some personal reasons involving the guy helping me run the software, we decided to at least finish out the year on our current host. I definitely have DedicatedMC as a resource in the future 🙂

[twin lagoon]

[iron zephyr]

Sounds good, looks like it

[twin lagoon]

that sounds like the weird politics guy

it is the weird politics guy

nothing of value lost by banning him

[true canyon]

Proximyst they're still in -dev

[twin lagoon]

mbaxter ur network admin nullroute him or something

[limber knot]

ty

[iron zephyr]

Also, I attempted to host my first MC tournament for the kids in the community. It was an absolute disaster xD. I might be back looking for advice later before our next one

Who knew 41 middle schoolers who could barely play minecraft would be so much trouble?

[twin lagoon]

right now imagine 3000 of middle schoolers or preteens

and then you can imagine any large network owner's pain

[true canyon]

Technically this is their first ban on IRC. If they try to evade, I yeet. Ping me or PM me on here (I don't notice IRC pings as well anymore) if they come back proximyst

[iron zephyr]

🤣 I told my friend it gave me a much deeper sympathy for Hypixel, Shotbow, etc.

They had (some) fun though, and that's what counts I suppose 😄

[twin lagoon]

i mean they'll think it's awesome you're hosting an mc server for a school

i'd have loved that shit

[minor badge]

will do, mbax

[iron zephyr]

They def do haha. It's been fun to see how it bonds students between grades too! They hate each other much less 🤣

Anyway, thanks Michael! 🙂

[novel horizon]

It's just weird, @slim nymph. Not sure why it happens. Increasing so much, I'll also try to use Java 11 tomorrow, to see if there is some improvements.

[slim nymph]

its a known problem that no one has figured out what

suspect is netty is memory leaking

[limber knot]

Why is netty always at fault when it comes to java versions?

[slim nymph]

its not java version for the memory issue

8 and 11 both have the problem

[limber knot]

Ah

[novel horizon]

Netty? Weird. It's happening now more often, I had it set lower, so I'm not sure.

[slim nymph]

all we know is it never use to be an issue, but newer versions of MC it started becoming an issue

and mojangs only use of native memory is pretty confident not the issue

[novel horizon]

Had it like 8G xmx, 10-12 G for the whole

But today when I see it, lol

[true canyon]

How outdated is Mojang's netty?

[novel horizon]

Thanks for the info, Aikar

[vernal moth]

pretty sure paper updates netty

[minor badge]

probably a fair bit, mbax

but shouldn't be too bad

[vernal moth]

the version paper bundles is from early this year

[minor badge]

i'm sure they update it if any big improvements are made that they may benefit enough from to warrant testing on many systems

[true canyon]

Doing a quick ctrl-f looks like there are two memory leak fixes in subsequent releases (seems Paper is on 4.1.50)
https://netty.io/news/2020/07/09/4-1-51-Final.html
https://netty.io/news/2020/10/13/4-1-53-Final.html

Unsure if either of those are in things used by the server though.

This incredibly low effort post brought to you by mbaxter.

[minor badge]

we might look more into it sometime™️

open an issue and see ig

.list

[limber knot]

https://korobi.vq.lc/network/esper/channel/paper/commands/

[minor badge]

thamnk korobi

[limber knot]

korobichan

[vernal moth]

[20:08:03 INFO]: [STDERR]: java.lang.VerifyError: Bad return type
Exception Details:
  Location:
    net/minecraft/world/item/crafting/RecipeManager.lambda$apply$1(Ljava/util/Map$Entry;)Lit/unimi/dsi/fastutil/objects/Object2ObjectLinkedOpenHashMap; @6: areturn
  Reason:
    Type 'java/lang/Object' (current frame, stack[0]) is not assignable to 'it/unimi/dsi/fastutil/objects/Object2ObjectLinkedOpenHashMap' (from method signature)
  Current Frame:
    bci: @6
    flags: { }
    locals: { 'java/util/Map$Entry' }
    stack: { 'java/lang/Object' }
  Bytecode:
    0000000: 2ab9 0066 0100 b0                      

[20:08:03 INFO]: [STDERR]:     at net.minecraft.server.v1.16.4.ServerResources.<init>(ServerResources.java:26)
[20:08:03 INFO]: [STDERR]:     at net.minecraft.server.v1.16.4.ServerResources.loadResources(ServerResources.java:78)
[20:08:03 INFO]: [STDERR]:     at net.minecraft.server.v1.16.4.Main.main(Main.java:166)
[20:08:03 INFO]: [STDERR]:     at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.Main.main(Main.java:276)

ah yes

[mighty storm]

thats a weird stacktrace, what happened to it

[zealous wedge]

mmm verifyerror

[vernal moth]

nothing? its just a multi line message

I think this is the code in question https://i.imgur.com/GZ67ByK.png

the warning is for the outer cast, thats unrelated I guess

Caused by: java.lang.ArithmeticException: / by zero
    at net.minecraft.core.BlockPos$3.computeNext(BlockPos.java:349) ~[Paper-Server-all.jar:?]

uuups

am close tho

[magic river]

I guess I figured out why Sony pulled Cyberpunk https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kbfcm6/cyberpunk_bricked_my_friends_ps4/

[upper flicker]

nah there have been other games that have bricked the console

[magic river]

They didn't shift the blame, they shifted the responsibility for dealing with it 😛

[upper flicker]

it was likely the "we know its awful, go to sony for refunds"

[magic river]

Instead of bitching into the void they told them Sony would give refunds

[upper flicker]

and sony went lollllll

[magic river]

It'd probably be pulled from XBO too but they have a marketing deal so that'd look awkward

[vernal moth]

why would a console be bricked by a game?

if that happens, its 100% on the console maker

[upper flicker]

consoles are just fancy PCs

games arent sandboxed

you can absolutely fuck a console

[vernal moth]

still

[upper flicker]

technically though, you arent wrong, MS and Sony do certify every game, every update

[meager tusk]

ayo?

[upper flicker]

but idk that they could ever catch it all

[twin lagoon]

idriz

[meager tusk]

Michale

[upper flicker]

just make sure you use protection

[peak dirge]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-18/cyberpunk-game-maker-faces-hostile-staff-after-failed-launch

Good reporting from Jason Schreier as usual on games that fuck up

because the game was fucking unplayable on the consoles

[upper flicker]

some people like it actually runs on their console

[formal turret]

Cuz remember witchery 3!!!!!?!?!!

[upper flicker]

in the smattering of hate I keep coming across these people who say it works fine for them on their ps4

[peak dirge]

fanbois

[upper flicker]

and I have no idea how

tbh I didnt think it ran all that well on ps4 pro either

but I dont own one so just going with what I saw

it plays fairly nicely on PC

but it never shouldve been released to consoles

not like this

then again CDPR is crawling with investors who want their return

[peak dirge]

waiting for 2077 to play it

[upper flicker]

so seeing the devs rage at management is not surprising

I think itll be fine by the end of spring tbh

but it never shouldve released like this and the shady stuff they did with reviewers and consoles is not okay

I dont think it ever bricked anything

but it was pretty unplayable for a lot of people at launch

their weird rendering engine flat out didnt work on tons of systems

yep

[vernal moth]

ok, so paper runs on mojmap now

[twin lagoon]

[vernal moth]

what do I do with this now? 😄

[twin lagoon]

release

[wide chasm]

"This was fun"
throws away

[vernal moth]

lemme push to github

[hollow plaza]

It has to continue using spigot mappings for reflection to not break right

[unkempt drift]

Was the pr to that one thing merged yet? So we don’t have to clone that to get it to work.

[vernal moth]

yeah thats not done yet pepper

[hollow plaza]

Alright

[coarse lily]

Nice Mini

[hollow plaza]

Even just having patches be on mojmap is extremely useful

[mossy vessel]

Me when a project bores me

[coarse lily]

I’m still not sure I get why they added Mojmaps but don’t just provide the actual source. If you don’t want to make an API then make it open source. The game is already free without an account and people are reverse engineering it. Now you’re helping them. Just make the source public.

[slim nymph]

were gonna go back to spigotmap on compile time, so the jar will still be shitty

just patches + us modifying paper will be nicer

but shit, lining stack traces up is gonna be a PITa

[vernal moth]

we can remap stack traces

[slim nymph]

anything we can do to remap stack traces back to moj lol?

[vernal moth]

we can also let plugins and forks use our tooling, so that they can use mojmap too

[twin lagoon]

[slim nymph]

also gonna be an issue for people developing nms plugins, theyll have to use spigot for that

[heady spear]

I was gonna say... I'd kinda like to be able to use mojang mappings in plugins D:

like my awful citizens clone :-: would save a lot of time

[olive marlin]

Wasn't there supposed to be gradle plugin to let you use mojmap for NMS, but on plugin compile time it goes to Spigot mappings?

[vernal moth]

yes

thats what am saying

[vernal moth]

^

[olive marlin]

I got confused by Aikar being one saying that lol

[slim nymph]

im not involved in that tooling 😛

i just told them my desires of mojmap

they are figuring it all out

[vernal moth]

I think aikar would kill us if we didnt provide tooling for forks 😄

I mean, in theory forks can decompile our remapped jar and continue like usual, but that would suck hard

cause a) loosing comments and introducing decomp errors and b) not being able to use mojmap 😄

[upper flicker]

c) enrage all the forks

[coarse lily]

That would be forked

[vernal moth]

well works kinda have to go thru the same shit I went the last 3 days I guess

hopefully till then it conflicts less

[visual egret]

about velocity, would i have to recompile every plugin that sends bungee messages?

[upper flicker]

I dont believe so, they have a compatibility layer for bungee messages

but bungee plugins dont run on velocity

[twin lagoon]

velocity supports bungee plugin messages

[left swift]

Hi

[upper flicker]

so in that respect, they might need to be depending on the context here

[slim nymph]

@vernal moth i mean i can just revert in the paper repo to 'fix the problem' 😉

[visual egret]

all use cases right now are just "Connect"

[vernal moth]

then you dont get any new paper changes tho

[visual egret]

im assuming that supported?

[slim nymph]

no, i mean revert in Paper repo lol

undo the bug!

[vernal moth]

oh

😄

[slim nymph]

im fine with it being a big update for forks, we just need to time it to be a good time, maybe JUST before 1.17

when things are slow anyways

[vernal moth]

believe me, once you are used to the names, you never want to go back

[slim nymph]

you realize i was like the big pusher of this idea right 😛 i get it w/o even seeing it!

its just not my expertise to do that work myself

and dont have time to learn

[vernal moth]

the update to mojmap is basically as bad as a small minecraft update that changes mappings in come places, you will get ton of patches conflicting, but most is minor stuff

[slim nymph]

so im glad yall got it

ah yeah hopefullly wont be hard to reuse the remapper you got

update EC for me plz

kthxlovebye

[vernal moth]

I think next steps for me is trying to see if its too bad to try to apply this to a snapshot 😄

[slim nymph]

hey maybe this will knock yatopia out for a long time

lets keep changing patch formats

[vernal moth]

kek

[left swift]

Stop the patch count

Yatopia won by alot

[limber knot]

Randomly apply patches so building becomes unpredictable

[waxen panther]

[twin lagoon]

brocc

[vernal moth]

I think if I would try updating a fork, tuinity would make the most sense, there are not so many patches

[twin lagoon]

no barty

[vernal moth]

I guess the patches are chonky tho 🤔

[waxen panther]

michael

[twin lagoon]

rewrite-the-light-engine.patch

[slim nymph]

thats mostly new class file add though isnt it

[mossy vessel]

smelly tacco

[spiral robin]

@waxen panther

[twin lagoon]

nmf

[visual egret]

sorry irc users wrong server

[vernal moth]

ah no sorry

[mossy vessel]

Michele 👀

[vernal moth]

origami is 32 patches

[coarse lily]

How many forks are there?

[twin lagoon]

tons

[vernal moth]

phoenix616 you maybe won a free mojmap update

[coarse lily]

Maybe I should fork paper to be special too.

[olive marlin]

I'm waiting with it for the gradle tooling to drop lol

[slim nymph]

emc's patches arent so huge anymore. Chickens now able to help that part for me 🙂

I focused on paper while chicken did emc specific stuff

[vernal moth]

ill see how I feel tomorrow

I either fuck around with snapshots or I try to setup tooling for forks or plugins

[slim nymph]

one of these days maybe chicken will switch jobs to be a dev! lol

[vernal moth]

I cant touch purpur as thats based on tuinity

[slim nymph]

our goal is to update to 1.16 on emc this weekend

[twin lagoon]

fuck snapshots

forks

[vernal moth]

but michael

I wanna make paper snapshot builds

[olive marlin]

I think fork and plugin tooling is more important - so that we can start using it.

[vernal moth]

and sell em on mcm!

[twin lagoon]

but i want our internal fork to use mojmap

[cunning raft]

how would you make a paper snapshot build

you need spigot, no?

[olive marlin]

Hard fork!

[cunning raft]

unless did you remap spigot patches too?

[vernal moth]

you dont wanna fork mojmap branch until we committed to it

I didnt remap spigot patches, no

[cunning raft]

then how lul

[twin lagoon]

yeah can we jjust not remap back to spigot

fuck spigot already

let's spice up the community

[vernal moth]

what ill do is take spigot, diff it per file into patches and apply those to snapshots

then apply paper

[slim nymph]

that doesnt fuck spigot, that helps spigot

if peoples plugins break, theyll go back to spigot

[vernal moth]

unless plugins only break on spigot 😄

[twin lagoon]

depends on how many plugins you can get on mojmap day 1

[vernal moth]

but for that we need hangar

we dont loose anything by obfuscating back to spigot mappings, other than bad stack traces

so it makes sense to just do that

[coarse lily]

IMO it makes more sense to keep comparability for now but have a lot of advantages for developing against paper. Better features, etc

[slim nymph]

we should try to deploy an artifact on mvn clean install for paper-server-mojmap and then paper-server is spigot

[vernal moth]

mvn

am sorry aikar, maven is dead 😛

[slim nymph]

you know what i mean

am still mostly mvn 😦

[coarse lily]

I’m not sure how I feel about gradle get. I’m gonna switch back to ant

[slim nymph]

were gonna move emc to gradle, and acf im open to any PR doing it

IDB is already on gradle

[vernal moth]

but yeah, plugins would inherit our tooling, paperweight would install spigot mapped and mojang mapped jars, and also install the mappings into the local repo I guess

[slim nymph]

as well as TC IIRC i think i merged PR for that

[vernal moth]

and paperweight on plugins can just use all that then

I still use maven for everything too

its just that hardcore stuff like this is way nicer in gradle

because task that depend on each other > phases

everything gets cached

[limber knot]

Maven caches also a fair bit of stuff per default

[vernal moth]

like, git pull patch paper, if no changes to paper api, it will not patch api again

[olive marlin]

Aikar for ACF it looks like you don't use much apart from shading - so gradle should convert most of it automatically.

[vernal moth]

https://github.com/CadixDev/Mercury/pull/35

no

the PR gets bigger everytime demon works on the projects 😄

[olive marlin]

Wanna Groovy or Kotlin Gradle DSL for ACF?

[vernal moth]

groovy gradle is cancer

lol

[cedar spade]

Groovlin

[vernal moth]

like, I am not a kotlin fan, but at least the IDE integration works

[cedar spade]

I don't get why groovy gradle is so borked

like, from what I've heard groovy itself works fine, and kotlin gradle DSL also works fine

inb4 jetbrains agenda

[vernal moth]

its just that the groovy dsl sucks

[olive marlin]

The same reason why Groovy Jenkins DSL is so borked.

[vernal moth]

groovy itself is a fine language

[formal turret]

sucks how?

[vernal moth]

kotlin just handles DSLs better

[olive marlin]

One thing that is better in groovy vs kotlin DSL - I feel like it takes less time to interpret chosen code rather than compile everything first.

[coarse lily]

Isn’t gradle written in groovy?

[minor badge]

mostly java

[vernal moth]

this is cool, german TV used UE4s virtual production capabilities to have a singer perform with an orchestra live on TV, even tho hes in paris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTVa1OCs9M0

not with fancy LED screens but greenscreen, but still

you can see that the guys are not pros, the light is way off and the resolution of the model is shit, but its still nice

funded with german tax payer money ^^

[limber knot]

Yeah, german state television

[vernal moth]

well, yes but not really

its publicly funded but not controlled by the gov

[limber knot]

Well, it's the closest you'll get to a state television here in germany

At least it's not like RTL or similar

[vernal moth]

state television has a negative connotation, thats why I said that

[limber knot]

Never seen in that way honestly

[vernal moth]

ppl do, lol

[limber knot]

But yeah, not wrong

[bleak violet]

Hi.

What should I call Paper?

A mod?

[spiral robin]

A fork of a fork of a fork of a fork

[coarse lily]

It's a server.

Or server API.

Paper replaces the vanilla server.jar, so it's the server software.

[limber knot]

A spigot fork or server api

[bleak violet]

Server API then.

[true canyon]

It's a plugin-supporting server mod.

[vernal moth]

It's a server software that provides a plugin api

[stiff yarrow]

modmodmod

[coarse lily]

Let's all give a different answer!

[stiff yarrow]

literally a term I've seen used before in civ IV modding

[bleak violet]

So far server api is what makes more sense to me.

So, unless someone comes up with a justifiable new name, it is what I'll call it.

[vernal moth]

Paper has both an api part and a server server that implements said api

[coarse lily]

Why are you calling it anything?

And where / to whom?

[bleak violet]

I like things defined.

so I don't say stupid things.

[stiff yarrow]

paper-api = api
paper = server modification (lots of stuff added or optimized or changed for the better) + api implementation

[coarse lily]

Ha fair enough.

[visual egret]

x to doubt

[unreal quarry]

It's so much more than just an api, though, neo

[limber knot]

i just wondered isnt paper more than a api?

[coarse lily]

IIRC it isn't impossible, just very very difficult.

[limber knot]

doesnt it also boost performance

[vernal moth]

It's not mathematically impossible, it's just not partially possible

[coarse lily]

Encryption is cracked all the time.

Yeah.

[limber knot]

Well, he is right

[vernal moth]

Yes it does zillyhuhn

[stiff yarrow]

can't tell if zilly trollan

[bleak violet]

Yes, @stiff yarrow but can you simplify that without writing an encyclopedia?

[visual egret]

it’s close enough to impossible, it’s millions of years

[limber knot]

So if paper fixes mc code and it is licensed under GPL it cant be taken into the official game right?

[stiff yarrow]

@bleak violet calling it an API is not a simplification its a misrepresentation

you can't call paper just an API

[coarse lily]

Millions of years on current tech. "Close to impossible" != impossible

[limber knot]

So paper claims more performant code and keeps it outside the official game?

[bleak violet]

I was going with what @coarse lily said.

[vernal moth]

Most contributors and team members release their patches under the MIT licence so that mojang and other projects can use our changes

[bleak violet]

it made sense to me.

[limber knot]

ah ye saw that one

[vernal moth]

We sometimes work with mojang together to fix stuff, and hopefully that will increase in the future

[heady spear]

Nothing about is impossible. Highly impractical? For sure. Highly unlikely to be done in a reasonable amount of time? Yup.

[limber knot]

oh ok

[heady spear]

Very possible? Mhm.

[vernal moth]

That tweet claimed it was mathematically impossible, which is plain our wrong

[limber knot]

so there is no pressure on mojang to rls the code?

[bleak violet]

So, I'll call it a Mod since it modifies the original. :p

[visual egret]

on current tech, that’s the context we are using tho, right?

[limber knot]

i feel like the whole mc ecosystem is so annyoing since the game is closed src

[bleak violet]

Paper is a Mod, then.

[vernal moth]

Math doesn't need tech oscar

[stiff yarrow]

its java so its not that bad

[limber knot]

xd

good quote

[coarse lily]

Unless we're using that new math.

[limber knot]

Issue is that 80% of users think that mods are things that are loaded by an external application

[vernal moth]

Yes, paper is a mod that provides a plugin api and improves performance, you can call it that

[coarse lily]

Yeah "mod" is too ambiguous of a term for paper.

[vernal moth]

Minecraft is basically open source tho

Mojang gives us obfuscation maps

[limber knot]

yea in an annoying way

[coarse lily]

Because there's also server mods, which usually run on a forge server. Forge is the server. The mods are the mod. In this case paper is the server.

[vernal moth]

It's good enough zilly

[waxen panther]

[vernal moth]

It's more than any other game gives you

[coarse lily]

Says the Mojmap pro now ;)

That's veyr true.

Most games tell you to pound sand.

[limber knot]

last time i looked into mc dev i always ended up at some sketchy MCP what ever modpack thingy

[bleak violet]

Well, since I see no one coming up with a straight answer I'll just call it mod or server api.

[coarse lily]

Not provide maps.

[zealous wedge]

paper is a mod

it's just a jarmod

[vernal moth]

Yeah that was before mojang provided mappings

[limber knot]

how does it work?

[bleak violet]

be going. tag me if you reply. please.

[stiff yarrow]

I'll use mod to refer to plugins too since they modify how things work from my POV and are therefor modding something

[zealous wedge]

yeah plugins are mods too

[coarse lily]

Most people do, who aren't developing plugins.

[stiff yarrow]

ID Software used to (not sure if they still do) release source code of 5+ year old games, so there's that

[coarse lily]

Paper makes more sense as "a modified server".

Which has "mod" in it, but still.

It's more of the server than the mod.

How about "enhanced server".

[vernal moth]

Plus api

[coarse lily]

Plus the API, for plugins.

Yeah.

[unreal quarry]

but @bleak violet, you cant leave. not until the Merovingian says so

[zealous wedge]

it's literally distributed as a jar that modifies the vanilla server :p

[stiff yarrow]

doom only ever got its linux port open sourced though not that it matters that much

[coarse lily]

Haha true zml

But there's being technically accurate and there's being clear.

While calling it a mod is technically accurate I don't think it's particularly clear.

[vernal moth]

What exactly do you mean? We decompile the server mojang provides and use the mappings mojang provides to deobfuscate it, then we can modify the server

[stiff yarrow]

when I talk to normals I tell them paper/spigot is a mod for minecraft servers to allow server side mods

[limber knot]

is it straightforward idk how to do such a thing

[vernal moth]

Well, kinda but not really, that's why we build the tooling to make it super easy

[limber knot]

you could call it a mod platform/loader too :p

[vernal moth]

I grossly simplified the process, it's get way more complicated if you throw spigot into the mix. Since paper is a fork of spigot, and spigot got its own mappings, stuff becomes complicated fast ^^

[limber knot]

i see

[vernal moth]

Idk how many weeks we have been working on the new process now

I personally worked easily 40 hours this week on this

[limber knot]

is spigot still active?

[vernal moth]

Yes

Which makes it worse

[limber knot]

and u merge with the spigot upstream acitvley?

[vernal moth]

Yes

[limber knot]

oof

do they care about u?

how is the relationship?

[vernal moth]

They ban is

Us*

We got the bigger marketshare tho :P

[limber knot]

sounds annoying

[vernal moth]

Over 60% of servers on 1.16 use paper over spigot

[coarse lily]

Because paper is faster.

[limber knot]

is that why the move from irc.spi.gt to EsperNet?

why keep merging?

[vernal moth]

And yes it's annoying, but we are used to it

[worn ember]

intellij plz <.< i'm already starved on ram lmao

[vernal moth]

No that move was us trying to be more independent from spigot jamie

[limber knot]

the move is associated -- but wasn't really forced

[vernal moth]

If we stop merging, some plugins might stop to work

[coarse lily]

Right. Keep merging because it's better for the community.

[limber knot]

ah cool - glad to see things actually move over though, I was suggesting it (perhaps for waterfall) years ago

[vernal moth]

Sinceost devs develop against spigot, not paper, since they want to run their plugins on paper and spigot

Most*

[limber knot]

this situation rly reminds me of a fork in another game haha

probably similar always

[vernal moth]

But, we have the dream of hard forking

Aka stop merging stuff in

[coarse lily]

Soon they'll develop against paper when Mini's maps are done

:)

[vernal moth]

Next year might be the time to do that, who knows

[limber knot]

want to stay compatible with upstream but having a bigger userbase already and beef haha

don't write off large parts of paperweight too soon mini :p

[vernal moth]

So: tell your friends about paper and move them away from spigot ^^

[coarse lily]

Paper is best.

[vernal moth]

Yeah :/

[limber knot]

where i come from im on the upstream side tho

[vernal moth]

Spigot onces was downstream and now is upstream

[limber knot]

ye

[vernal moth]

The same will happen to paper

[limber knot]

what would happen re waterfall, would that decouple too?

[vernal moth]

We will overtake upstream, and we already have downstreams

[limber knot]

i miss bukkit

i liked the name and logo

was the shit when i was playing mc

[vernal moth]

Nobody cares about waterfall tbh

[coarse lily]

I like the paper name and logo better than bukkit.

[vernal moth]

Velocity > waterfall

[coarse lily]

But both paper and spigot are bukkit forks.

[twin lagoon]

Hello Barty

[coarse lily]

So youdon't have to miss bukkit.

It's right here.

[limber knot]

isnt paper called paper spigot?

[twin lagoon]

no

[limber knot]

not since 1.8

[twin lagoon]

paper is Paper

[vernal moth]

Barty #paper-dev might be easier ^^

[limber knot]

is waterfall even maintained still?

[slim nymph]

huh i didnt realize eminem released a new version of music to be murdered by

[limber knot]

hasn't been called that for years now

[slim nymph]

has a covid song lol

[coarse lily]

I think it was dropped today Aikar

[slim nymph]

seriously?

nice timing

i saw it in YTM and was like whats this

[vernal moth]

The project was originally called PaperSpigot but that name for dropped like 5 Years ago in order to avoid confusion

[limber knot]

it also avoids potential legal issues 👀

[slim nymph]

https://www.thewrap.com/eminem-snoop-dogg-zeus-music-to-be-murdered-by-side-b/ oh shit i fgotta jump to this song

[coarse lily]

Yep.

December 18th.

IMO one of paper's biggest advantages is that you can grab the jar from paper.

[limber knot]

hm at zaphosting they only seem to offer paper spigot does it mean they are heavily outdated?

[coarse lily]

You don't need a separate build jar that compiles and then you have to move that jar to the server.

[twin lagoon]

zaphosting is cancer

fyi

[limber knot]

:D

they may have never versions, but probably means they have no idea what they're doing

lets hope no judge looks at paper's distribution process

runs

[coarse lily]

Sshhh

[limber knot]

can the bridge see this?

[coarse lily]

Yes.

[minor badge]

yes

[limber knot]

oh wow

what bridge is it?

We see all.

it looks dumb for them thoug

xd

Yeah.

.g dis4irc

(phoenix616) https://github.com/zachbr/Dis4IRC

ty

Discord doesn't handle /me very well.

One of the biggest downsides of it.

That and electron.

[olive marlin]

WTF? Where is bungee javadocs? I can only find phoenix616 javadocs from 1.15, but compiling ACF complains about it changing.

[vernal moth]

It's just italic

[limber knot]

i thought everybody uses matterbridge nowadays

All bridges sucked so taco man wrote his own one

bungee's javadocs aren't accessible online afaik due to some jenkins cors stuff

The name is a typo of a typo of a bad idea of a misspoken phrase. Let's just not go there :p

xd

I mean dis4irc still sucks, it uses kotlin and JDA

runs

[slim nymph]

"looks dumb for them"

Looks like normal users
IRC users see a bot as the username

[limber knot]

I was talking about /me

[slim nymph]

oh

Guess whats for dinner?!

[olive marlin]

Oh, and ACF uses bungee 1.13 hmm.

[limber knot]

Cool think about dis4irc is that is nicely uses webhooks and uses discord avatars

So it's a nice experience for discord users

[olive marlin]

You have a pretty avatar Mini 🙂

[limber knot]

oh that reminds me, I need to open a bug report on dis4irc

yeah dis4irc doesn't really handle nicknames well

what for?

Because I added my first name to discord ^^

Maybe I should have an alt just for the picture, lol

[coarse lily]

Oh yeah was talking about the /me bit

[vernal moth]

Aurora does that iirc

[limber knot]

https://i.imgur.com/6J4uz1Q.png yeah but it doesn't seem to work properly

[coarse lily]

The rest of the bridge is awesome.

The /me bit is Discord's fault, not the bot's.

[vernal moth]

Jamie it only works when irc Nick = discord nick

[limber knot]

jamie u on manjaro?

your nicks do match in the cadix server

ZillyHuhn no, Fedora.

meh tried to guess default cursor xd

[slim nymph]

im excited to see Dre on this shit!

[minor badge]

@mental meadow update alt pfp

[vernal moth]

That's wayland isn't it?

[limber knot]

I think jamie doesn't use the default cursor

I run the KDE spin if that helps

[minor badge]

that's adwaita cursor iirc?

[limber knot]

no it's kde's breeze

[minor badge]

ahh

[limber knot]

yep https://i.imgur.com/B0YQUEq.png

[untold copper]

is 82 degrees C a little hot for a GTX 1050ti?

cos mc+sildurs vibrant extreme gets considerably loud

[unreal quarry]

How bored do you have to be to play let's guess distros by looking at mouse ^_^

[twin lagoon]

depends on your card & cooling

[limber knot]

Everyone loves that game, right?

You can't even guess distro- however you can guess the de.

[twin lagoon]

75c - 80c should be alright for full load

[untold copper]

yeah its at like 80%

concerning tho

2 fans in GPU

• 1 on cpu and 2 in case

[limber knot]

.g 1050 ti max operating temperature

(sulu) https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti,4787-7.html

85°c

[untold copper]

yeah its running a bit hot

a bit too hot for comfort

[twin lagoon]

do you have a prebuilt

[untold copper]

no

which is even more concerning

[mental meadow]

But not surprising

[untold copper]

it just probs needs a good clean or something xD

[untold copper]

wdym

[unreal quarry]

https://youtu.be/zAEXuONMJCQ

[untold copper]

nicely done though

[marble lark]

I can't stop watching those videos where people cook stuff on CPUs lmao

[olive marlin]

So hmm, maven is fetching correct artifact version, but gradle seems to fetch a different, older version.

[coarse lily]

Proof that maven is better.

Burn gradle to the ground.

[cosmic raft]

No.

Burn maven.

[marble lark]

What is maven and gradle lmao I've used them for MC projects that required them without actually knowing what they are for

[olive marlin]

I have no idea. In 1.13 md_5 added field to bungee api class - maven compiles ACF using 1.13 bungee api just fine, while gradle complains the @Override doesn't override method from parent class.

[slim nymph]

lol oh shit, eminem dissed tekashi. will he come out of hiding now?!

[untold copper]

gn everyone

[coarse lily]

I was just kidding, kashike.

:)

[olive marlin]

If I change ACF to use 1.14 bungeecord api, it compiles fine...

I'm clueless right now lol

[cosmic raft]

@coarse lily want to see some not fun stuff? :P

https://github.com/zachbr/Dis4IRC/pull/17/files#diff-bc66f40aa4093c2c2ffe9a4614dd2dbc3848af3c1bedef4e1660024a919aa25f

[limber knot]

Why isn't UTF-8 the universally accepted format?

[coarse lily]

Uh oh

[limber knot]

If everything were to be UTF-8 this wouldn't be an issue, but no we have 15 competing standards!

uhm you mean UTF-16 right?

UTF-32 then, don't do things halfways!

[coarse lily]

UTF-65 is the future

Shit

Damn typo.

[limber knot]

Someone is going to create it for the lols

[cosmic raft]

wrong again ocelot

UTF-69

[coarse lily]

UTF-42 is the best.

It's the answer.

[limber knot]

thanks kash

[mental crystal]

UTF-0 solves all issues

[limber knot]

💩 will be the only character it contains

[slim nymph]

skylar grey is always one of the best things to look forward to on a new em album

[limber knot]

runs

phoenix616: hm?

resolving my zero space stripping feature request on dis4irc

[limber knot]

oh that was you?

reverts

:P

Like a proper client, my IRC client doesn't even know what a poop emoji is.

😢

why would the IRC client care though? it's your font that fucks it up lol

and wtf are you doing if your terminal doesn't have emoji support?!?

[coarse lily]

Haha

That's just Terminal on macOS.

Although this machine is an older macOS version.

[limber knot]

Well, mc IRC client here supports it

[coarse lily]

So maybe it just doesn't support that particular one.

[left swift]

PoopOS

[coarse lily]

But I wouldn't be surprised if bitchX doesn't handle them at all.

[limber knot]

any client implementing the IRC protocol correctly shouldn't care about the type of symbol and blindly forward it

[coarse lily]

Look it's from the 90s.

It's old.

It doesn't like emojis.

I'm okay with that.

Although proxi sent a heart last night and it saw that.

So maybe it's just some of them.

[minor badge]

the heart emoji is VERY old

[limber knot]

your font probably only has utf8

[minor badge]

it was introduced in unicode 1.1 in 1993 apparently

[upper flicker]

macos does emojis in the terminal just fine

[limber knot]

🫀 is obviously the only correct one

[upper flicker]

you just send the character and it works

[void void]

uhhhhh

well one is from ascii times tbh

.g ascii heart

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.rapidtables.com/code/text/ascii/ascii-heart.html

[void void]

there were two even if i'm not mistaken

[limber knot]

https://emojipedia.org/hearts/ 👀

[coarse lily]

Yeah I get the red one in terminal.

I think it depends on the emoji.

The emoji standard isn't a very good standard.

💩

Yeah looks like it's bitchX.

Not the terminal.

[upper flicker]

it doesnt handle zero-width spaces properly either from your screenshot

[coarse lily]

That doesn't surprise me. :)

Ah I didn't realize those were zero width spaces.

That makes the bot make a LOT more sense now.

[upper flicker]

theyre so you dont ping yourself when you talk

😉

[coarse lily]

Oh yeah, I knew why.

But I just thought it was a normal space.

[upper flicker]

oh, lol

[coarse lily]

I remember that from Chester in #drtshock

[upper flicker]

I wonder if it just has unicode problems in general

[coarse lily]

And thought "bummer but whatever"

HA.

It doesn't support unicode.

So yeah there you go.

[upper flicker]

bold italic underline strikethrough monospace

probably also doesnt support some of those

[coarse lily]

Nope

[upper flicker]

just bold and underline huh

I wouldve figured they'd have italic and not underline

[coarse lily]

I'd expect underline and not italic.

They probably figured italic wouldn't be monospaced.

[upper flicker]

technically those are newer and not everyone even agrees on them

but they are the most formalized version best supported

[limber knot]

better than mine tbh: https://phoenix616.dev/📷/fIQyYmIN.png

[coarse lily]

What are you using, phoenix? irssi?

[upper flicker]

I know whatever kash uses doesnt do monospace

but I think it does the rest

[limber knot]

yeah, irssi

pretty sure I have disabled bold somewhere though

Yeah irssi handles a bunch of stuff a little better.

[upper flicker]

I want to say he uses weechat but I dont remember for sure

[coarse lily]

Weechat is pretty popular

[void void]

Have we found a vaccine yet for the lolcats pandemic ?

[slim nymph]

i think one of the better parts of a new em drop is no life shaq's reactions lol

[cosmic raft]

wtf are you going on about aikar

what is an em and a chaq?