Yeah, Poland is great for history lovers, but that's about it lol.
#general
olive marlin
wide chasm
You can also learn the beautiful Hungarian language. Such as "víz".
golden gust
I'll viz all over your rug
worn ember
viz me cat
wide chasm
I'll víz you cat
mental meadow
visiting countries in eastern europe is almost as fun as visiting most african countries if you're neither straight nor cis :' )
olive garden
it's a noun, not a verb
worn ember
ur a verb
wide chasm
I'll throw víz at cat then
golden gust
Yea, my nigerian flatty used to tell some, erm... "fun" stories...
olive garden
what's the difference between straight and cis?
my english knowledge comes from south park
worn ember
they're quite funny tho
mental meadow
straight is a sexuality, cis is when you're the same gender as you got assigned at birth (aka the opposite of trans)
Cat I visited my family in ethiopia twice, that was fun in hindsight
wide chasm
ethiopia
stiff yarrow
I thought CIS was being same gender and being hetero
olive garden
Well, gotta go work now, if anyone happens to have a 2 months long internship destination idea, please let me know! take care
mental meadow
no nossr, that has nothing to do with sexuality 😄 cishet is cis and hetero
stiff yarrow
ah okay
wide chasm
Cishet sounds like some merge between Cisco and RedHat
stiff yarrow
you guys aren't even on the latest Cishet LTS? 
mental meadow
also IOS > iOS
mental meadow
it is ocelot but its easier to explain for "beginners" 😄
coarse lily
Haha
Yeah but it gets more tricky and nuanced
Like most gay men wouldn't call themselves cis.
wide chasm
When I hear trans/cis I think of chemistry
coarse lily
Even though, by that definition, they are.
wide chasm
Yeah
mental meadow
yeah
coarse lily
I think that's the etymology of the term.
mental meadow
chemistry class gets weird when you think of gender
stiff yarrow
Mmm yeah I hadn't heard CIS used for anything but straight people before so I guess I was ignorant
wide chasm
Guess I remembered something from chemistry
mental meadow
same as transportation companies
coarse lily
Organic chemistry is influencing day to day life all the time!
mental meadow
It's almost horrifing how much you laugh as a trans person when driving over the highway and seeing all kinds of creative transportation companies with trans in their name
I think my fave was EmoTrans
wide chasm
Should've called cables from and to the same port cisports and cables from and to different ports transports, would be funnier.
"I need a USB-C cisport"
stiff yarrow
you know that kind of terminology might be easier to say than usb-c to usb-c
wide chasm
Honestly, yes
mental meadow
stef you don't wanna know how many upvotes pics like that get on /r/traaa
wide chasm
lol
stiff yarrow
should we call male -> female cables transcables?
this would definitely make cable talk way less verbose
coarse lily
We're still stuck in the USB-A - > USB-micro/USB-C/whatever world for a while.
vernal moth
if you are not usb c or usb a, you are ded to me
slim nymph
Micro is dying
vernal moth
usb tybe b worst usb
slim nymph
Laptops coming with c output now though
vernal moth
GPUs have usb type c output, thats fun
mossy vessel
C helps me charging my phone at night
vernal moth
I have C for phone and headphone, I think I only use micro for my vive controllers
mental meadow
usb3b be cool tho
ancient bolt
pretty sure usb b only exists for printers
mental meadow
b3 not micro b
vernal moth
my first digital camera had usb b to mini usb b
mental meadow
although i do like micro b3
ancient bolt
I'm buying xbox series x controllers as soon as I can cause my xbox one controllers are the only micro-usb devices I have left which aren't USB C
cedar spade
I don't recall ever seeing a B 3.0 device anywhere
coarse lily
mental meadow
yea
coarse lily
That's USB-A to USB-B 3.0
mental meadow
those are cool
cedar spade
I have a SATA-to-USB adapter with a 3.0 micro B, but otherwise I barely own anything that actually uses anything above 2.0
wide hazel
mental meadow
my external harddrive uses them
vernal moth
msft is the good guy egg, I have been saying it for years now
coarse lily
But the smaller 2.5" external HDs that I have use the Micro B 3.0
And one of my cameras.
mental meadow
usb reminds me of the standards xkcd
mental meadow
its better but still ugh
coarse lily
Nice example of a good idea executed poorly.
"Now I don't know what any of this does because the connectors are all the same"
mental meadow
Thats the issue with C i guess
vernal moth
theres a difference between connector and protocol
mental meadow
Yeah, but multiple protocols using the same connector is a bit confusing sometimes
Thunderbolt for example
coarse lily
Right, MiniDigger
vernal moth
well, they cleaning it up
coarse lily
But when you have the same connector and different protocols, it makes it confusing for everyone.
vernal moth
thunderbolt and usb 4 be merging
ancient bolt
thunderbolt is nice
mental meadow
Thunderbolt was always confusing xD
ancient bolt
if you have a thunderbolt port and cables, you're set
mental meadow
First it used the Mini DisplayPort connector, then USB C
ancient bolt
if you have anything USB-C only then it can be really hard to tell what exactly the port supports, what power it can take or receive, same goes for cables
a thunderbolt cable is guaranteed to be 40 Gbps and 100W
@mental meadow that's just thunderbolt 2 vs thunderbolt 3
coarse lily
Yeah but aurora is right - the old Thunderbolt is MiniDisplayport
mental meadow
Ima plug my Switch Charging cable into my phone and see my battery jump to 500%
coarse lily
So that's a little confusing.
ancient bolt
the fact that they are different physical ports is nice imo
can't confuse them
also usb c port is just nicer in general
mental meadow
and then apple with their chargers that are basically usbc but inverted
ancient bolt
the switch is really annoying because it uses the USB-C port in name only
it doesn't follow the standard at all
ancient bolt
and it's not safe to use standard USB-C with the switch to charge it, or to use the switch charger to charge standard USB-C
the best part? the switch pro controller is standard USB-C
and works fine
mental meadow
I mean you can charge the switch with regular chargers
it'S just not recommended and slow
ancient bolt
you can, there's potential to damage it tho
lots of cases of bricked switches using third party chargers
mental meadow
as long as you know what you're doing it's usually fine
coarse lily
I think there's been a few burned out switches.
So you don't want to use the regular chargers.
upper flicker
msft is the good guy egg, I have been saying it for years now
glances at their RIAA membership
worn ember
?
mental meadow
on the signs? Essentials i guess?
worn ember
🇺🇸
mental meadow
well describing what you want while asking is a good way to get better answers
stiff yarrow
mental crystal
@untold copper InteractiveChat?
untold copper
yoo thanks a ton :D
stiff yarrow
I'm buying xbox series x controllers as soon as I can cause my xbox one controllers are the only micro-usb devices I have left which aren't USB C
@ancient bolt the elite 2 has godly battery life
slim nymph
I bought 2550 batteries, pretty good life
Sadly my old rechargeable packs didn't fit the new controller
So had to buy ones without custom backplate
distant turret
vernal moth
2550mah i would assume
slim nymph
Yeah lol
vernal moth
its smth the xbox controller can use
slim nymph
Just has charger to put in but can charge while in controller too
Got 3 batteries so easy to swap if do run one low
So may be looking at timed exclusives
Wonder if steam release will also be delayed so pc players have to buy on ms store for day 1 access
Well sales wise will be no different in a timed exclusives, just improves likelihood of people buying both consoles if they they want the game faster
vernal bone
slim nymph
Or if the xsx version is so much better people buy Xbox to play Bethesda games overall
For sp games I don't see a benefit to buying steam over ms store, but I can see benefit for multi-player for community and playing with friends
Unless all your group agrees to buy on ms too
mental meadow
https://twitter.com/FiefdomDesign/status/1314053240791523328
i need that mask lol
waxen panther
i love xbox but I'd rather they didn't
exclusives are bad for every and for the most part they have seemed to agree mostly
I doubt any bethesda games will become xbox only
obviously
peak ginkgo
vernal moth
Do you know what the word trans means?
vernal bone
Jay has allmost all the discord badges 
waxen panther
just gotta get the bug one and the discord staff one 
slim nymph
well MS is seemingly saying they wont be doing perma exclusives. Timed exclusives isnt so bad, at least everyone gets it in the long run.
stiff yarrow
I can't help but feel like the psychological effect of not having true exclusives is messing with my perception of the value of my xbox
also after using xbox/ps5 a bit more, the xbox ui is a bit better but not as fancy or stylish
well they both have pros and cons
but the way I use the UI the xbox is easier
waxen panther
series S is by far the best value
slim nymph
the value is access to 1) better hardware, 2) safer library to build up to carry forward each generation and access over a multitude of devices 3) lelu dallas game passssss
waxen panther
but yeah PS is and always will be better for exclusives
stiff yarrow
.g dallas game pass
waxen panther
game pass is 
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slim nymph
lol woosh over nossr
slim nymph
stiff yarrow
hehe
stiff yarrow
Xbox has the superior GPU right? so that would def make it goto for multiplat
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slim nymph
yes xbox has better everything but SSD speed but the SSD is meh, not huge enough to matter
a whole 0-2 seconds difference
stiff yarrow
I thought PS5 had better cpu
olive marlin
Doesn't Xbox has proprietary SSD while PS5 you can put a regular SSD in?
stiff yarrow
right now xbox is definitely winning on previous generation games, almost all of the important ones have an xbox one x optimization, whereas with sony you have to wait on ps5 upgrade patches
pretty sure you got that backwards I think
I think ps5 is the special ssd
also xbox has a deep learned HDR thing for older titles which is super neat
slim nymph
stiff yarrow
wow xbox ssd times are way better
olive marlin
Nope, looks like PS5 let's you use NVME SSDs while Xbox has proprietary ones which can't be used for anything else :/
stiff yarrow
does it really matter though
waxen panther
99% of people wouldn't replace them anyway
stiff yarrow
just buy some official xbox ssd
slim nymph
@stiff yarrow no they both use same chip, but microsoft fully implemented the architecture where as PS5 didnt. and Xbox's is 3.8Ghz where as PS5 is 3.5Ghz
waxen panther
and im willing to bet the 1% that would, have pcs
stiff yarrow
@slim nymph I thought they both have ryzen 2 chips but they went custom in diff ways
waxen panther
aikars statement is correct
olive marlin
If you could add SSD to Xbox S it'd be a lot better value than it is.
slim nymph
oh the RNDA was purely GPU, i thought that was CPU based too
yeah i wish ms would of sucked it up and did 1TB on S and it would of been even better
olive marlin
But having to pay 200+ USD for SSD which will become useless after a few years, is meh.
slim nymph
useless?
stiff yarrow
funny how xbox just cleaves PS5 on loading times except somehow ps5 wins on saving in RDR2 by a hair
olive marlin
Can't repurpose it for your old pc or anything.
stiff yarrow
@olive marlin what do you mean? SSDs only have a 5 year lifespan anyways, why would you reuse it
slim nymph
but yeah on that link i sent, looks like while PS5's SSD gives it some loading advantages, Xbox makes up for it in otehr ways from faster hw
depends on what the game is loading
olive marlin
It's locked to your old console.
slim nymph
is it cpu heavy load, or io heavy
@olive marlin well any storage upgrade for a console is gonna end up permanent, what do you mean 2 years?
stiff yarrow
I'm surprised to see xbox is this much faster for saving
golden gust
giving developers more resources like they won't just guzzle it up like a watermelon
slim nymph
but you can still get an external SSD for USB for storage, and just rotate out games you arent playing
stiff yarrow
honestly taking out your console SSD to put in a PC years later sounds like poor person logic, the kind of poor that wouldn't be upgrading their SSD anyways
slim nymph
id love if they also just let you launch a game that isnt on internal storage and just take the reduced load times
id be totally ok with some games keeping slower load
but i also wonder whats it like if you use an external SSD
sure it may not be full internal speed, but if its 75% who cares lol
stiff yarrow
@slim nymph I was thinking of getting the storage expansion I went on a DL spree on both consoles lol
slim nymph
atm i moved some games i know im not playing anytime soon to the external HDD. then i can just move it back when im ready to play them
and if you use an external SSD, moving times would be so much faster too
i also fully expect someone to make a 3rd party adapter to use your own SSD w/ Xbox
vernal moth
stiff yarrow
last time I checked all accessories for both consoles got sold out
vernal moth
I know what am doing I swear
stiff yarrow
olive marlin
honestly taking out your console SSD to put in a PC years later sounds like poor person logic, the kind of poor that wouldn't be upgrading their SSD anyways
@stiff yarrow that's flawed thinking IMO. I have plenty of electronics which, when I buy new stuff, gets the older parts for extending its life. My small pc got SSD upgrade I retired from laptop, when I upgraded it to bigger NVME drive. I don't like throwing stuff away while it still has uses. And I wouldn't consider it to be a "poor person" logic, given that I'm making well over 5 times the minimal pay.
slim nymph
and price wise, as a reminder SSD's for PS5 cost same (Well 10$ more actually) than Xbox's cards 😛
olive marlin
I don't want another piece of electronic in garbage, I want to use stuff until it becomes useless.
stiff yarrow
@olive marlin you should be on this console gen for 5+ years, SSD lifespan is around 5 years with regular use
stiff yarrow
ps4 -> ps5 was like 7~ years
if I have to use some proprietary SSD for xbox storage expansion and or upgrading its not going to bother me tbh, and I don't see myself harvesting hard drives out of consoles down the road for reuse
slim nymph
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Portable-SSD-Thunderbolt-MU-PB2T0B/dp/B07GBWZJFG/ref=sr_1_11 this is the closest SSD I can find to Xbox disk speeds.
so 210$ for Xbox's? yeah I think its priced fair
stiff yarrow
this console gen has def made me noticed how bloated game installs have gotten
110GB for some games
I wonder if we'll see some kind of dual sense type controller for xbox in the future
worn ember
how much storage do consoles have?
worn ember
i think ark was like 150gb at some point lol
my install was over 200gb cuz they didnt care to clean up updates
stiff yarrow
Ark has a bunch of yuuuge maps with unique stuff
vernal moth
man, that astronaut on crew-1 thats on his first trip be smiling 24/7
that much be nice
worn ember
probably released some laugh gas in their cabin
worn ember
kek
does anyone know of low spec servers that have a lot of capacity?
like for storage
vernal moth
can you imagine that we might life to see commercial tourist trips to the moon and beyond?
worn ember
well one advantage of the moon is that its already a dead wasteland
not much you can fuck up there
vernal moth
as long as you don't change its trajectory 😄
worn ember
there have been massive meteorite strikes on the moon already
far bigger impact than any man made explosive can create
so i think we're fine (for now)
stiff yarrow
I love the Yakuza games but their pacing and progression is clunky, like they make 8 games and can never get the pacing/progression right in these games
slim nymph
well, i suspect that game devs havent actually took advantage of SSD's to reduce game size yet
games are intentionally bloated on HDD's, and its gonna take devs some time to stop doing that intentional bloating whic his going to be very difficult for cross gen games
youd have to have entirely separate asset bundles design for prev gen vs next gen
stiff yarrow
are they optimized for sequential read for HDDs sake then
worn ember
do people even still make cross gen games?
vernal moth
arent all games that come out rn cross gen?
worn ember
idk, i never game on console, i thought they only worked on one gen lol
slim nymph
its like developing for both ps and xbox, you just have different published builds
with different configs
but ms has pushed hard to improve the ecosystem so its "one game" that smartly delivers the right assets and flags for advanced features
playstation just ships it as separate games which they sometimes charge you for, and apparently makes save files an issue
ie on PS if you play a next gen save file that was 'ported', you cant go back to prev gen with it and resume it
but you can on xbox
ms has just done an amazing job making everything about this upgrade smooth
on Xbox, it's an ecosystem, that INCLUDES PC, and just different systems have different capabilities. its treating it like PC development.
I actually played my xbox remotely over my phone this weekend lol.
i was totally expecting my wife to come downstairs and see the TV playing a game w/o anyone there and think its hacked
worn ember
lol nice
slim nymph
input lag wasnt really thatbad, for any kind of game that doesnt require fast paced action or super low input delay, perfectly playable long as bandwidth is good
worn ember
stiff yarrow
@worn ember well this time around they aren't switching architectures every gen so allowing cross-gen play is easier
worn ember
i see
stiff yarrow
well its more complicated than that, but thats part of it
hard kernel
hello
coarse lily
Hi
snow parrot
that bird is epic
potent fossil
potent fossil
what
snow parrot
when you open it its a different picture
potent fossil
magic
unkempt drift
lol
snow parrot
Hmmmm
unkempt drift
prob cause each request returns a different picture
unkempt drift
kinda weird they request it twice
golden gust
they don't
potent fossil
the best part is its requested twice for every person in the room
well, cat is right, when you click it, you request it not discord
when its previewed, discord requests it
unkempt drift
right, yeah. I meant the client
golden gust
Well, discord has a proxy
potent fossil
i have no idea where the threads feature is
but like, idk, im jazzed and not jazzed about that at the same time
golden gust
Knowing discord it's probs gonna be a stupid thing to use and the only people who are going to use it are the formal arsehats who judge others for not using it
potent fossil
so, me
golden gust
I was gonna try and call you out but figured I'd be nice
coarse lily
It looks interesting.
potent fossil
probably notify all thread participants and i'd imagine you can turn off pings for a thread
and id also imagine quotes and pings would still be there, threads would just be an alternate way to do it
next wind
adds a lot more than just tpa, but you can avoid that all with perms
muted forum
isnt there a plugin for a server hub
and from that hub you can connect to other servers
mental meadow
hi simple
potent fossil
sup
cosmic raft
hi
slim nymph
oh man fuck this person ; ; https://old.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/jvf2gc/long_live_the_sticker_gang/
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slim nymph
some idiots didnt realize it was a sticker, then theres people like this OP who are "team sticker"
when MS stopped putting the sticker on it caused a war lol
sand drum
For a Minecraft server do I need to port forward 25565 or the r.con port
muted forum
25565
muted forum
i dont believe you understand how this works
slim nymph
do not forward the rcon port at all
should only ever be exposed on a private network / localhost / IP Whitelisted
stiff yarrow
time to be a potato and play console games all week 
slim nymph
my PTO starts Friday
thanksgiving/birthday week/cause I want to lol
they moved us to unlimited PTO this year and as i expected, I ended up using way less time overall
barely took any off all year, I stopped accrueing mid year when they switched to new plan, and I had enough accrued to cover 3 weeks still...
I always take thanksgiving week + last 2 weeks of dec
less overall for me. I work too much, and the desire to not waste days forces me to take it. I'm about to hit 10 years at this company, so my tenure gave me lots of PTO.
so its a major reduction for me
I would have taken more time off if we wasnt so busy with stuff
I took entire month of dec off 2 years ago
zealous wedge
taking a month or two off is pretty normal
I even know people who work 6 months, then spend the other 6 in a cheap country
it's easier with seasonal things
potent fossil
I used to schedule a month off but let them know a year in advance then take no time off unless im too sick to get out of bed
usually was approved
warm anchor
vacation is important
mighty storm
https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl it's back????
serene bolt
yeah :D
formal knoll
pa purr mc
pseudo pilot
holy fucking shit python is amazing
this would have taken me like 3 hours to do in java
i did it in 20 minutes
magic river
Pretty sure you could have done that from any language 😛
Heck I think with gnuplot you can do it with a single command line
But yeah, Python is nice glue
pseudo pilot
i mean yeah
buy python u can do so much more than just plotting
like not having to worry about correctly formatting everything
type checks and stuff is so nice
magic river
What type checks? It's dynamically typed 😛
zealous wedge
@grave scroll #paper-help also pick a less stupid name
grave scroll
zealous wedge
cuz self-hoisting
limber knotBOT
Basically a dynamic type system means that everythign is done at runtime and you do not necessarily need to tell the compiler how to store data
Statically typed means that you need to declare a type for every peice of data. So you would need to tell the compiler that you want to store the number 1 as a certain type of data. The compiler will not figure this out for you and it will throw an error at compiletime if you mess up rather than runtime
that is, 99% of the time
lunar dune
Bruh how does Sponge have 7 sponsors yet everyone uses PaperMC
I remember people using Sponge for like a month and then everyone moved to Spigot
slim nymph
you remember wrong then
lunar dune
Ok I guess I’m dumb then
serene bolt
Sponge(forge) is used by many, many modded servers
ancient bolt
sponsor count doesn't mean anything
limpid comet
u might be thinking of spout?
slim nymph
sponge is just for modded environments. they want to try to offer plugin environments too, but their update delay has kinda killed that IMO
ancient bolt
sponge is more high profile than paper
also paper has at this point at least 3 sponsor
jetbrains, yourkit, 1password
er we might not have jetbrains
but we could easily
you literally just apply for it
foss projects can get lots of sopnsors easily if needed
slim nymph
all of us prob already pay for it lol
ancient bolt
I get my intellij through mcdev lol
slim nymph
yeah but OSS license cant be used commercially
ancient bolt
I don't use it commercially
slim nymph
primarily use the ultimate perks on my mc server stuff
ancient bolt
I don't do any commercial work on my personal machine
yeah you're def in a different boat
slim nymph
MySQL integration is so nice
ancient bolt
work pays for my license on my work machine
slim nymph
yeah i saved my dayjob money on not needing to buy me a license lol
slim nymph
so your saying i should ask for 500/yr bonus
ancient bolt
individuals get it cheaper
wraith trail
and my work makes me use eclipse...
ancient bolt
if you don't get at least $500 for a winter bonus then damn lol
slim nymph
man i havent seen a holiday bonus in years
ancient bolt
oof :\
slim nymph
our companys hard asses on pay
ancient bolt
damn
slim nymph
thats the only real big complaint we have, corporate stuff/Pay
our boss fights as hard as he can for us
but at the team/department level, things are great, so we put up with it
extra pay isnt always worth it if its then a shitty day to day job experience
youd expect a company as large as ours to be able to do well on HR/Benefits though 😦
serene bolt
:\
slim nymph
maybe the tree is just too big and since some limbs are doing their own thing its just hard, i dunno
i dont even know how many thousands or 10s of thousands of employees we got
tropic garnet
slim nymph
though theres 2 gigantic branches, and i think ours stops before it reaches the root HR wise
ancient bolt
I seem to have found a really exceptional company...but ~150 employess its definitely on the smaller side
slim nymph
I'm under the B2B leg, then theres the GIGANTIC B2C leg that all of you are more familiar with 😛
ancient bolt
but they have everything, amazing benefits, high pay, great culture, extremely low stress environment, great team, it's insane
slim nymph
i dont hear anything on the B2C leg
limpid comet
can i, and more importantly, should i, mix mint hot chocolate and coffee
ancient bolt
mint does not go with coffee
limpid comet
noted
hollow plaza
Mint hot chocolate though
ancient bolt
speaking of intellij, the conditional breakpoint thing seems broken....
Skipped breakpoint at io.papermc.paperweight.tasks.SpigotPackageMergerHandler:220 because it happened inside debugger evaluation < it's confusing the condition for the breakpoint i guess
ancient bolt
you were warned
limpid comet
ITS EVERYWHERE
i was so caught up with whether or not I could, I never stopped to think if I should
magic river
You know what really costs a surprisingly large amount of money? gitlab
At least if you want any of the group and/or planning features
IDEs are cheap in comparison
I guess it's still cheaper than solidworks though, $1200/user/yr
Got a bit of sticker shock seeing an invoice for it the other day at work
merry talon
coarse lily
IIRC Github Enterprise is like $300/yr per user.
vernal moth
Oh wow
Just watched crew 1 docking
The jaxa mission control looks soooo antique
This is nasa mission control as contrast
And then there is spacex, lol
zealous wedge
at least jaxa and NASA aren't working in a fishbowl lol
vernal moth
This is german iss mission control
No windows at all 😂
This I saw in person before, it's the control center in cologne
They mostly do sats there, but also controlled rosetta while I was there years ago
zealous wedge
the only windows the room should have are to the outside
mental meadow
I visited the DLR testing in Lampoldshausen once it was so interesting
vernal moth
12 year old me disagrees
zealous wedge
those r nice but the desks r too curved
vernal moth
Lol
I was there with school, we got a cool tour, played with liquid nitrogen, got to see the training center and the centrifuge and shit
Was amazing
mental meadow
We had to leave 5 minutes early because they actually started testing an engine and you had to leave the area
zealous wedge
oof
ancient bolt
I like the aesthetics of that last one, looks well designed
I remember as a kid eating liquid nitrogen frozen cheetos
That was fun
vernal moth
The last one is 15km from me
zealous wedge
I mean it doesn't look that different from standard lecture hall
mental meadow
But I did win a glowing pen from the DLR on Twitter which was nice
zealous wedge
just has inbuilt computers
ancient bolt
NASA's looks cool too, looks like it's actually built for that purpose. SpaceX's just looks lazy
zealous wedge
spacex is just standard office furniture
zealous wedge
so it's designed to be viewed
ancient bolt
I know, and it's modern and minimalist etc but it just looks like no effort
vernal moth
This is a better view
But yeah, just some hall with a beamer and some desks
I hope it's at least heated 😂 😂
ancient bolt
Tbh if I worked in a mission control and it didn't have literal holograms id be sad
zealous wedge
if elon musk doesn't need heat nobody needs heat 
vernal moth
I mean, dragon at least has touch screens so that's something
Obviously run chromium
ancient bolt
Stop
vernal moth
Cause how else would you build an ui
vernal moth
Well, dragon doesnt need screens or buttons at all
It's 100% autonomous
The screens are just so that the crew feels save
And in case smth goes wrong and they need to go into manual
ancient bolt
The crew is capable of flying the capsule yeah
Usually not needed
That's been the case since soyuz for years tho
vernal moth
Well, in a soyuz you can't even reach buttons
Or was that the shuttle
Where they had a metal arm to reach buttons 😂
ancient bolt
Soyuz doesn't really have any space for comfort
zealous wedge
it seems most actually useful devices go for about a 50/50 Touchscreen vs physical controls split
vernal moth
My dad always say, soyuz is designed to get ppl home alive
ancient bolt
vernal moth
Nothing more, nothing less
ancient bolt
That's how russia goes to the space station lol
And how everyone else did until dragon
vernal moth
Was about to say, that's what everybody had to do after shuttle
Man, I can't wait for starship
ancient bolt
Yeah soyuz is one of the most successful space craft ever
vernal moth
It's also untouched since the 70s
ancient bolt
Has a perfect safety record over decades with hundreds of flights
vernal moth
And reliable as hell
Something dragon will need to proof
But looking at falcon 9, I don't see reliability issues
ancient bolt
Yeah dragon has a long way to go to prove its similarly reliable
You don't usually see them until they come up lol
I just want us to go back to the moon already
zealous wedge
there were a couple failed missions early on, hopefully that scared them enough to get things in order and gave a good safety culture
ancient bolt
I would personally not want elon to be the one to take credit for it (esp since he has very little to do with SpaceX's engineering success) but if that's what it takes
vernal moth
Last failed falcon was 2015
zealous wedge
yeah ideally elon would never say anything publicly again
ancient bolt
God I hope so
unkempt drift
yikes, what is your issue with elon?
vernal moth
But he is also a visionary and the driving force behind both tesla and spacex
vernal moth
He's the idiotically ambishies dude that drives everybody to do their best
ancient bolt
All he is is the wallet
zealous wedge
I mean I'd imagine the engineers and project management people do more
ancient bolt
He's horrible to work for
vernal moth
abitioned
ancient bolt
Spacex and tesla have terrible working conditions
And yeah the engineers are the ones who actually do the things he takes credit for
unkempt drift
wait, I thought spacex and tesla were the number 1 and 2 places new engineering grads wanted to work
vernal moth
Like any silicon valley company?
unkempt drift
for like 3 years in a row
vernal moth
- runs *
zealous wedge
Uni students are idiots
ancient bolt
New engineering grads are fucking stupid
zealous wedge
why the fuck would you trust anything a new grad has to say
ancient bolt
Lol
vernal moth
That just says something about image
ancient bolt
I couldn't give half a fuck about elon
vernal moth
Not the actual experience
ancient bolt
He's a POS
vernal moth
I don't care about him as a person, I choose to ignore that since what his companies deliver makes it worth dealing with him
ancient bolt
/me looks at all the things tesla doesn't deliver on
zealous wedge
I mean pulling those kind of hours can be fun for a little while
vernal moth
Like, if we wouldn't have spacex, we would have to bet on boing, lmao
zealous wedge
but if you habe a family, or if it's for more than a few months at a time
unkempt drift
also, the "he's just the wallet" part doesnt make sense. not anymore, initially he was, but now like all his net worth is in stock for those two companies
vernal moth
Or worse, blue origin
ancient bolt
That's not true at all
Spacex had a lot of competitors early on when they were looking to win the nasa contract to fund them
But spacex was the one that won so that's the only one anyone remembers
vernal moth
I don't think it's fair at all to say he's just the wallet. He is an engineer. Sure, not involved into day to day stuff as much, but he has more understanding of his rocket than any other manager would
unkempt drift
lol, he is involved in the day to day stuff. at least right now, at spacex he is. he spends most of his time in Boca Chica
zealous wedge
I mean I'd say if you don't have an in-depth understanding of your company's core product you're a bad executive
ancient bolt
The thing elon brings is a cult following that gets people to preorder tesla cars 5 years before they even exist
And other stupid shit like that
I honestly don't understand it
vernal moth
I mean I'd say if you don't have an in-depth understanding of your company's core product you're a bad executive
@zealous wedge have you ever talked to executives? 😂
vernal moth
Like, my CEO, as much as I like him, he doesn't know how programming works
I had to explain to him why I desperately want a laptop that can draw more than 15w
unkempt drift
how do you know hes not very good?
ancient bolt
All elon does these days is talk out of his ass and downplay COVID and call people pedophiles
vernal moth
(cpu)
ancient bolt
Fuck him
zealous wedge
and that's why you want a better ceo :p
ancient bolt
Oh and he stirs disinformation about COVID test efficacy because he's a goddamn moron
unkempt drift
he said he took 4 antigen tests, 2 came back positive, 2 negative
vernal moth
Just do it like me, ignore the person, celebrate the overcome engineering challenges
unkempt drift
is that bad info to know?
ancient bolt
Did you read the tweet?
vernal moth
And watch the water tower that will once fly humans to mars fly
ancient bolt
@vernal moth I can do both
ancient bolt
Engineering achievement, his or his companies, does not cover up or remove how shitty of a person he is
Accurate lol
vernal moth
Idk, social media was a mistake, other ppl were as shitty too but they didn't spout their shit all over the place
Imagine how much less worse trump would have been without twitter 😂
unkempt drift
"much less worse" 😆
ancient bolt
If they're an icon of big business at any time in history they are or were definitely shitty
So that's why I'm starting Paper Inc
We're gonna be the next facebook, but like tinder with pinterest
vernal moth
Speaking of shitty persons, I have a feeling with clients at 10
ancient bolt
His meetings are very personal
vernal moth
See, just the thought of having to deal them makes me loose my train of thoughts
They want to "solve" an issue, linked a totally unrelated issue in the invitation
ancient bolt
God I'm glad I don't do professional services anymore
vernal moth
I didn't even bother to correct
ancient bolt
Clients are just the worst
vernal moth
These ppl are my coworkers 😂 😂
Parent company, but still
Most ppl from the insurance part are great, I mostly only deal with marketing anyways, they keep the normal shit away from me
But this is about some app from the health dep, which uses my services
And our health dep is the worst dep
ancient bolt
I found an amazing team where our role for the company is essential, so job security, but not mission critical, so we're never on call or anything like that and we don't have deadlines
vernal moth
They think they are smth better and always do their own solutions
ancient bolt
Truly a unicorn job tbh
vernal moth
I am never on call either (only managers are, unless there's a release but that's paid extra)
And deadlines are more like guidelines
ancient bolt
Also my manager is a great engineering manager who makes sure we don't deal with bullshit
She just asks us for rough timelines lol
And it's fine if we have to adjust later
vernal moth
We aim to release at some coordinated company release, if we don't then we just gonna do our own release a bit later, no problem
Yeah my boss is a normal developer, he actually works with us half of the time and does management bullshit the other half
Teams here are only 10 ppl so that's nice
And he is only 10 years older than me and still thinks like me
Throwing out legacy bullshit, calling out ppl if they plan to do bullshit, etc
I can say whatever I want in meetings and know that my boss has my back, that's great
vernal moth
He trust me and I trust him
The issue is, now am so spoiled, I can never go back, lol
Working conditions in general, fully flexible working hours for examples
vernal moth
Today I worked for an hour, drove my car to inspection, and now am working again
Stuff like that
untold copper
hai bois :D
vernal moth
This is my first job, I did study here and did my apprenticeship here (combined)
ancient bolt
Yeah, results first work environment
Doesn't matter when or how you work as long as you can get it done
vernal moth
Well, I still gotta clock in
ancient bolt
Ah, I'm glad I don't have to fill out time sheets anymore
vernal moth
It's all digital, in office I would just swipe my card, at home I just use SAP
ancient bolt
For me to take the day off I just put it on the calendar and say I'm taking the day off
limber knotBOT
meanwhile in unemployed land..
zealous wedge
hire kashike challenge 2020
ancient bolt
And this Friday
vernal moth
For me to take the day off I just put it on the calendar and say I'm taking the day off
I have to put it in SAP and calendar and I say smth in standup but yeah
Am taking the last Fridays this year off
Since I got too many hours
(benefit of clocking in, boss forces you to take time off, lmao)
If I wouldn't clock in I would work too much
If I work for more than 10 hours one a given day, I get big trouble
Since my company can get in trouble for that
zealous wedge
why would you work for that long if you don't have to?
vernal moth
Because work is fun
ancient bolt
This company says we get "unlimited PTO" and normally that's code for "you're never allowed to take time off" so I was worried, but it's turned out to be pretty true. They frequently encourage us to take time off and I've never once had an issue taking time
zealous wedge
ya but are you getting paid OT mini?
vernal moth
Last Friday, standup, 12:45, me: I'll finish early today. Also me: sits in voice with coworker till 6
ancient bolt
Yeah can you divert that energy towards paperweight plz thanks
vernal moth
It's not overtime.
If I work longer on one day, it's get saved, and I can go home early some other day
Or take a full day off
It's only overtime if my boss says "hey, this needs to be done, you gotta stay late"
ancient bolt
Working hourly for software dev is always so weird to me
Back when I did that it never made any sense
vernal moth
Which happened exactly never in 5 years
Yeah can you divert that energy towards paperweight plz thanks
@ancient bolt I try ^^
But I also have MiniMessage and hangar to look at
ancient bolt
Meanwhile depression is such a bitch I struggle to focus even for my objectively great job
Makes me feel bad and idk why I have this issue :(
Lots of people dealing with a lot shittier situations than me
vernal moth
I am in a better state right now, thankfully I don't have issues with depression it's more about motivation for me
I wouldn't work basically the full summer
Neither at work nor at home
Because I just didn't feel like doing stuff
Every line at work was a torture basically
ancient bolt
That sounds like depression
ancient bolt
I have to get in a zone, so I find interesting things I can work on to do that
If I can't do that then I really struggle to get anything done
Speaking of work, that's gonna suck tomorrow after staying up so late, o/
vernal moth
Sleep well o/
I have to get in a zone, so I find interesting things I can work on to do that
yeah, shit projects at work made me not wanna touch anything at all
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel 
mossy vessel
👀
tawny flare
guys
how tf do i skip ad fly ads
i click on skip it doesnt give my link
stupid thing
still cosmos
dont use adfly links in the first place
olive marlin
@tawny flare it cycles through like 20 adfly links and ends up at: https://mega.nz/file/qVV0iICY#GgGMe1D-gu6560lefxYyhi0bRlnTGvWKfeaDQhXzkVA
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK
It tried to show me notifications and force me to download some AdBlocker.apk
olive marlin
If it's MC world file, then idk how much malware can you put there.
potent fossil
oh i thought it was a mod
olive marlin
If it's a mod, then yeah it's worse.
rocky linden
anyone knows more about ZGC vs G1 on minecraft servers?
From what I have been reading it looks like ZGC is more for bigger memory allocations and G1 would be better for frequent memory allocations?
I'm no real expert and curious what others say and think about this
olive marlin
I think Billy uses ZGC?
But it does better the more memory it has.
And it wasn't researched and tweaked as well as G1 for MC.
twin lagoon
Zgc is ass from what ive tried
rocky linden
yeah I've been using ZGC as well. Just don't know if it was the right choice since the specs of the server aren't the best.
olive marlin
I think Billy posted his flags in #paper-help, you should be able to find them.
tawny flare
@tawny flare it cycles through like 20 adfly links and ends up at: https://mega.nz/file/qVV0iICY#GgGMe1D-gu6560lefxYyhi0bRlnTGvWKfeaDQhXzkVA
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK
@olive marlin ok
tysm for the file
rocky linden
I've looked at and used some of these flags https://krusic22.com/2020/03/25/higher-performance-crafting-using-jdk11-and-zgc/
Can't find Billy's flags but I'd compare them when I do.
rocky linden
yeah that's why I would like some opinions and more info about it, hoping some people here might have some advice and actually know stuff about it.
Might do some testing myself since it all also depends on your server
@twin lagoon how long did those spikes last?
olive marlin
AFAIK ZGC doesn't report the full GC times, so it's not trivial to benchmark.
@rocky linden see this conversation and the message that Billy linked: #paper-help message
But as he notes - you'd need to use Java 14+ if you want ZGC.
rocky linden
yeah I'm using J15
olive marlin
Then if you read both conversations you should get the idea from the point of ZGC user and his flags.
rocky linden
he's got a big heap though, which I don't so that might be something worth looking into
oh he did switch to 10gb afterwards though I see now so not that big of a difference
ashen cliff
Daily reminder: Test ZGC before using it.
It's prone to blowing up on my setup. Minigames and other smaller games, fine, Survival server, even just changing 1 plugin nuked the performance.
rocky linden
isn't a production server or anything 😛
olive marlin
Daily reminder: Test everything before using it
ashen cliff
It also changes performance on different operating systems.
I couldn't run my Survival on Debian with ZGC, but on Clear Linux is worked without issues.
rocky linden
I'm using ubuntu 18
ashen cliff
Well, you should do your own testing regardless.
rocky linden
yeah I'm doing that
olive garden
3rd party launchers probably don't display that though 😉
limpid comet
god i haven't used the default mc launcher in like
2 years
actually that might be a lie but definitely more than a year
untold copper
I've never used the default MC launcher 😦
limpid comet
multimc gang
topaz mortar
I never used a custom launcher since the third revision of the default launcher.
- The one you play latest version always.
- The one where you can pick a version but with this Java Swing like play button.
- The current.
mossy vessel
I never used a custom launcher since the third revision of the default launcher.
You should try it. I've build my own.
topaz mortar
You should try it. I've build my own.
Oh, GH page?
mossy vessel
potent fossil
what the fuck is this blue up next to my icon in GH https://owo.whats-th.is/8iQKhX6.png
to say I'm online?
thanks github i fucking hate it
mossy vessel
New feature in preview
potent fossil
oh
void void
yea
potent fossil
:^)
wide chasm
Yeah, was confused about it as well
mossy vessel
It'd be easier to have the blue dot next to the tab it affects.
wide chasm
That's too smart, can't have that
worn ember
worn ember
why do you exist?
bold hare
good question
olive marlin
Because people with 
and unsupported versions ask for help here.
bold hare
ah
olive marlin
Hmm, it looks way better when full size.
I still don't get how Discord added seamless multi-emojis, but the auto completion doesn't work for them (can't lookup second and later ones)
olive marlin
There's donation link on Jenkins.
indigo bone
yea
add the donation button on papermc discord and website 
how much should i donate?
potent fossil
they don't want it on the discord and website because this project is not about garnering donations
its in a modest place for a reason
that wasn't a mistake
indigo bone
true but donations are voluntary, people will want to donate
potent fossil
and they accept that, that's why it's on jenkins
grand pewter
people like you who want to donate can find it 🙂
potent fossil
whatever you want
grand pewter
whatever you feel its worth
indigo bone
idk i just dont want to donate too less compared to other contributors
olive marlin
It'd be nice to get it as '.donate' command. It doesn't need to be posted in rules or anything. But makes me not have to find jenkins, especially since Core team wants to hide it from us.
indigo bone
It'd be nice to get it as '.donate' command. It doesn't need to be posted in rules or anything. But makes me not have to find jenkins, especially since Core team wants to hide it from us.
@olive marlin yea
vernal moth
The money is used to cover infra cost
grand pewter
do $100 to flex your generosity
grand pewter
xD
wide chasm
Isn't there a .donate already?
limpid comet
wait wtf there's an actual donation link?
wide chasm
.donate
grand pewter
im joking but you know
wide chasm
Guess not
limpid comet
i thought it was just gh sponsors
indigo bone
see
vernal moth
Which, considering hangar might be a thing soon, could increase dramatically
indigo bone
limpid comet
lets see how much i have in my paypal balance
vernal moth
olive marlin
You pay for 20 months up front :)
indigo bone
i wish i could pay for 20 months 😅 but i too have a server to run ...
vernal moth
That's mostly for infra, if you wanna donate to some team member or contributor directly, ask them, most of us have GitHub sponsors or PayPal links
indigo bone
wow
potent fossil
Mini please tell me you bought beer with the 20 euros i sent you
vernal moth
You can bet on that simple ^^
potent fossil
good boy
indigo bone
damn i am low in the list...
untold copper
simple! what is the way you use to leave a blank line... I still haven't been able to figure that out...
vernal moth
What list?
indigo bone
What list?
member list in discord 👀
potent fossil
there is no list and there is no role to recognize donors, short of nitro boosting the server. you donate because you want to, not for recognition
vernal moth
Ppl use the user list? Lol
potent fossil
oh ignore me :^)
vernal moth
There are 14k ppl in here, the list is usless
potent fossil
simple! what is the way you use to leave a blank line... I still haven't been able to figure that out...
@untold copper wat
indigo bone
ik i just wanted to ask the donors how much do they donate 🙂
potent fossil
you wouldnt be able to find donors in the list anyway
untold copper
need a blank line in between each of those how would you do that xD
indigo bone
yea ik
potent fossil
What do you mean a blank line??
vernal moth
To appreciate our work
untold copper
white space
potent fossil
In the text?
untold copper
no below each of the rows
vernal moth
Add margin top or smth snipa
indigo bone
done
potent fossil
Margin
potent fossil
I'd give the 💩 role to you @mossy vessel
vernal moth
Only role here you can buy is the notable role, for that you gotta slide into my DMs and send me one million dollars 😂
indigo bone
xD
potent fossil
cutiepie
vernal moth
And sacrifice your table of course
mossy vessel
lul
indigo bone
thankfully i dont come here to get rcognised 😂 i come here to enjoy and have fun with some other nerds
potent fossil
👍
indigo bone
anyone here speaks hindi?
vernal moth
I speak minilang
indigo bone
owo
untold copper
uwu
potent fossil
Hindi means "no" in Tagalog, that's all I know of it
untold copper
india
potent fossil
I know that, but I don't know any of the vocab or grammar of it
limpid comet
simple and his tagalog again
indigo bone
i made a discord server for Hindi speaking friends i meet online named it "Khel Manoranjan Mitra Mandal" Thats why i keep asking ppl who speak hindi xD
potent fossil
Manahimik ka na @limpid comet Tangina mo 😠
vernal moth
Friendly reminder that this isn't a place to advertise your discord
indigo bone
nah not advertising i just wanted to know who speak hindi thats all 😄
potent fossil
indigo bone
limpid comet
SIMPLE IS SPEAKING TONGUES AGAIN SOMEOME STOP JIM
potent fossil
Who's Jim
limpid comet
jim nuts
potent fossil
Okay bobo
limpid comet
fuck i forget what bobo means
potent fossil
Bobo moment
limpid comet
putangina joe
potent fossil
potent fossil
beautiful
ashen cliff
Truly.
potent fossil
i was talking about you 🥺
ashen cliff
Oh no.
potent fossil
okay bed tiem
ashen cliff
See ya ||there||.
potent fossil
fast tree
Could someone please explain how Bungeecord/waterfall works..
I know how it works, as in it's a proxy that checks/directs players to a server.. but how does it really work?
Not taking in to account players swapping between servers, what role does the proxy play when players are on a backend server?
Does the proxy 'know' what the players are doing on the backend servers? Does it 'know' what commands players are using, what they are typing in chat etc?
I just told someone something (about a proxy) completely wrong and now it seems I need to properly educate myself! :o)
limber knotBOT
the proxy forwards the packets between the minecraft and the client server and some are intercepted e.g. for command handling and only forwarded if not handled by the proxy
technically a proxy knows everything that is transfered between connected clients, in the case of bungee it just doesn't care about that
fast tree
So.. with all the packets going back and forth, this would also explain why players get disconnected from the backend servers if the proxy were to be stopped/shut down..?
cunning raft
correct
players aren't actually being switched to the backend servers
the packets between the backend servers still have to go through bungee and therefore the client remains connected to your bungee ip
fast tree
Excellent, that all makes sense now. Many thanks for the replies! :o)
clever robin
where can i search plugins like cuboid for 1.16.1?
clever robin
i dont have spigotmc
left swift
Are u running paper
clever robin
yep
limber knotBOT
paper just extends spigot/bukkit
left swift
99.9% of plugins work on paper
clever robin
protectionstone dont work for my paperspigot
left swift
Of spigot plugins
left swift
That plugin looks cool