oh is it wall of text time?
#general
zealous wedge
waxen panther
oh it's gaming time
zealous wedge
why are you in prison
waxen panther
lmao yeah it does look like that
the other rooms have a much nicer view
but they also have christmas decorations right outside their window so who's the real winner
me .
vernal moth
So i randomly like to search my name once in a while, to see if it comes up, and i saw this from @minor badge
First off, Im assuming you're referring to a PR I submitted to Bukkit/CB.
To set the record straight, i have never once copied anything from Paper nor anyone and posted it to CB/Bukkit, or anywhere else for that matter.
IF I DID, i would 1000% give credit where credit is deserved. Im an adult, not a child who likes to copy peoples work, and not credit them.
I like and respect billy. Im insulted that you are implying this, and telling people i copied someone else's work, with absolutely zero backing to these accusations. Thats not cool!
On top of that, i myself use paper, I have no desire to run a Spigot server. I do on the other hand prefer to PR to CB/Bukkit only because the things i add i often use in my own plugins, and/or Skript, as I am one of the devs of that project.
If you ever feel like accusing me of something in the future, i do ask that you please reach out to me first, to get facts rather than bash my name with no proof.
@warm owl I am not sure what exactly neither you nor proxi where refering to, but I assume she say that you PRd a api that looks the same as an api by billy and jumped to conclusions. I don't think she ment any harm
There's only so much different ways to expose nms stuff anyways, lol
warm owl
i hope not. I really dont want someone to think i would steal someone elses code and not credit them, i would 100% credit anyone
potent fossil
argue if yall want but plz no quoting walls of text
quasi valley
especially if it's literally from a message above like some people do
grave stump
hello everyone, I want to ask what tools do you use to monitor minecraft server?
i think want to monit from a website
for checking minecraft server stats
vernal moth
You most likely want to write a wrapper then that has some kind of rest or websocket api then
waxen panther
what about the one that puts them all in graphs in game in maps 
waxen panther
now we're really thinking
warm owl
plan plugin works fine
for basic stats ig
i was going to say that too. PLAN seems really good from the bit ive used it
waxen panther
mr dienns good man
warm owl
ohhhh i forgot D made that one
vernal moth
(mcm cause spigot didn't approve it cause it's not minecraft related or whatever stupid reason)
warm owl
yeah i remember that bs now
vernal moth
Hangar when
waxen panther
Hangar please 
vernal moth
Man, I just realized yesterday was the last day I could go to a bar in a month now
warm owl
urban depot
Does anybody know how to access offline inventories? No plugins work
waxen panther
thursday will be the last day i can go to the gym for a month 
warm owl
i already got fat, all hope is lost
vernal moth
That's bullshit
warm owl
you're right, i was fat before this whole thing started
vernal moth
I lost 25kg in like 8 months a few years, just by stopping to drink so much soft drinks and exercising once a week
warm owl
i really need to cut out softdrinks for sure
waxen panther
any tips for gaining weight 
vernal bone
Will hangar have premium resources?
waxen panther
no
vernal bone
Good morning!
vernal bone
Sorry, my internet
waxen panther
:P
vernal bone
It tends to time out for discord, and sends the message 10 times without me knowing.
vernal moth
We dont want to allow ppl to sell stuff, but we want to allow ppl to give back to authors easily
This is a community, not a marketplace
vernal bone
Allright, thanks!
vernal moth
But nothing is set in stone right now
It's not a focus right now
First gonna make the platform work
vernal bone
How will the resource page formatting work?
vernal moth
Markdown, but you are able to import your spigot page
vernal bone
Oh, 
vernal moth
And kneny does magic with it and it will work
waxen panther
kneny really finds a way to make via for everything
first it was viafabric and now its viaSpigotToHangar
vernal bone
ViaHangarToSpigot in 2050 ๐ค
vernal moth
I doubt spigot will expect in 2050, lol
waxen panther
minecraft in 2050 
ashen cliff
Hangar but enforcing open source.
vernal moth
Exist
Not sure if we can enforce open source, but we can promote it and give benefit
ashen cliff
So never, but still good.
waxen panther
krusic dont be so pessimistic ๐
vernal bone
Add a badge to users who make their project open source
ashen cliff
Look, when you have to edit java bytecode for every major update... yeah, not fun.
Working with decompiled trashcans, that can't even be recompiled is even worse.
ashen cliff
Continue.
vernal moth
Well, using non free code is a choice krusic
vernal bone
Hello kashike!
cosmic raft
Hi
vernal moth
The paper looks like a pcb or smth, lol
ashen cliff
Thank you for that amazing PR kashike btw.
It is a choice, but it was made by an idiot 6 years ago, now he has to live with it or recode the entire thing.
vernal moth
Legacy, yeessss
ashen cliff
Well, I'll have to recode it anyway when/if we go to Velocity at some point.
ashen cliff
Hear, no, read yes.
ashen cliff
Perhaps.
worn ember
/tts yeet
cedar spade
@waxen panther I was already asleep
waxen panther
@cedar spade Iโm going to bed now :)
waxen panther
yes
I was so close to finishing what I wanted to finish though :(
Had to force myself to stop
quasi valley
you absolute bananaface
cedar spade
YES HE ISN'T
waxen panther
BECAUSE MD PINGED ME
cedar spade
wait what
waxen panther
I made a very funny via joke earlier and no one laughed and Iโm sad
Scroll up and laugh ty
twin lagoon
bwoccowi
minor badge
@waxen panther awa
twin lagoon
awa
waxen panther
Michwal awa 
cedar spade
where
waxen panther
proxi 
minor badge
yea via ur mum
waxen panther
comedy gold
minor badge
๐
waxen panther
good one proxi ๐ฅธ
quasi valley
cedar spade
bad joke
minor badge
deleted
waxen panther
toxic
cedar spade
tonic
waxen panther
14 minutes to get to bed then
cedar spade
13
waxen panther
i can count
cedar spade
no u
potent fossil
i hate alcoholics
sister just stumbled in the house drunk af for like the 3rd or 4th time this week, nearly woke up the whole house. proceeded to throw up as loud as possible in the bathroom and then play loud music
it is THREE AM
cosmic raft
@waxen panther why do you use a potato
waxen panther
wut where
vernal moth
most phones have higher resolution than most ppls monitors
waxen panther
ios hecks the resolution when you crop it
vernal moth
apple problems
quasi valley
isn't that just discord's horrible preview
minor badge
it is
cosmic raft
look at in discord, not in a browser :P
quasi valley
yeah but that's just discord being bad
minor badge
it's discord's fault
minor badge
brocc is on a potato nonetheless, but it's discord's fault that it's so compressed
ashen cliff
They show compressed images... after the incident.
cosmic raft
incident?
ashen cliff
You could DoS servers with Discord.
Or just make their traffic insanely stupid, just by linking images.
cosmic raft
ashen cliff
Since they didn't cache anything... so their fix was doing the same, but showing users compressed images...
worn ember
oh yeah i remember fix talking about that too
tawny stream
What's the difference between paperclip.jar and paperclip-241.jar?
vernal moth
The name
potent fossil
lol
vernal moth
I mean, that's literally it
minor badge
and one may be cached to fuck and be a totally different build
use the api, save yourself headaches
gaunt stream
Quick question a hosting company would let me pick between java 8-11-14. Should I go with 14?
twin lagoon
11
gaunt stream
Alright. Thank you.
untold copper
thonK
vernal moth
14
Or well, 15
Since 14 isn't supported anymore
But chance are that host doesn't even update 11 so 14 will still be more secure and stable ๐
mossy vessel
I'm surprised your host even lets your choose
vernal moth
Any host that doesn't let you choose should be avoided at all cost
It's literally throwing away performance
mossy vessel
true lol
worn ember
"we no update to java 11"
untold copper
omG
i can center text using CSS o.o
Its no longer and ugly HTML form :DDD
Its an ugly HTML and CSS Form :D
potent fossil
ashen cliff
Center it better.
untold copper
Precisely.
Lol this guy teaching me is a legend. He begins new section with "Today is day 6,799 of teaching CSS in this course... I'm very thirsty, haven't had had anything to eat in... 10 days? I don't remember when the last full moon was.. I've lost track of time" ๐
worn ember
centered text is harder to read tho
worn ember
sure, just not for long texts
worn ember
read a long centered text
and you'll know
its a lot harder to find the start of your line
worn ember
Lorem ipsum solor set amet, cesectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor
thats all i know lol
tf you mean paused, i don't remember you having break rights
worn ember
close enough
idk maven is being an ass with these dependencies. The project builds fine but it seems to not like these updated dependencies
limber knotBOT
what error does it say?
viral hornet
@quasi valley GOOD MORNING
limber knotBOT
it should show them on hover or at least in the event/error log
limber knotBOT
after you reimported?
worn ember
i think intellij has a broken cache or something
ye
i'll try invalidating caches or something
vernal moth
That's not a maven build
limber knotBOT
odd, pretty sure it logs everything somewhere. it wouldn't just show an error indication without a message
vernal moth
That's an intellij build using old project model
worn ember
maven build is fine too tho
vernal moth
If maven builds fine, just Reimport in IJ
worn ember
how does one do that?
vernal moth
In the maven sidebar
worn ember
"reload all maven projects"?
vernal moth
Yes
worn ember
yeah already done that 3 times lol
modern steppe
Is there some way of migrating WorldGuard to GriefPrevention?
(Im sorry. Ik that this question doesn't fit there but i was unable to find GP discord)
worn ember
Not as far as i know
ashen cliff
GP respects WG anyway.
limber knotBOT
they have an IRC chat btw: https://griefprevention.com/chat/ ;)
and seem to be part of the MOSS discord
modern steppe
and seem to be part of the MOSS discord
@phoenix616#0000 ty!!
worn ember
man i swear intellij doesn feel like working today
potent fossil
oh nooo
minor badge
lol
worn ember
ban everyone with access to it
wait
vernal moth
I will never understand why discord is so unable to get basic permission stuff working in the api
They just recently fixed the user list stuff
potent fossil
discord bad uwu tadah goodnight
warm anchor
Smol indie company for gamers 
ashen cliff
Good. 
novel horizon
Now I'm looking for something and listing through some pages (yeah, there's thousands, but still) takes dozens of seconds, what the
mossy tapir
Hey guys
novel horizon
Prism is a good alternative, right? ๐ค
worn ember
Sure
vernal moth
They are a/b testing quality gates for new code
mossy vessel
Tried --force yet?
worn ember
odd, it gives errors but still seems to get through now
mental meadow
back home :3
minor badge
there isn't
the get operator can have multiple args
so it's not really possible to generify
wat
fun <T> findElement(collection: Collection<T>, element: T): Int? {
// impl...
}```they're distinct types, so you'd need to do one for each
essentially, in Kotlin we usually don't care about allocations whatsoever
so you just use Collection or List everywhere
worn ember
minor badge
duh
worn ember
looks like my merge fucked something up lol
mental meadow
in Kotlin we
proxi kotlin fangirl confirmed
slim nymph
ugh, was driving and hit a giant puddle of water, thankfully kept cool and avoided a wreck, but damaged underbody cover.... sadly someone later wasnt so lucky as when we turned around and headed back home saw an SUV upside down in same spot
was raining hard and starting to flood
void void
nice job discord, my account which i made to hold guilds in case this account gets banned, got banned
void void
ashen cliff
Welcome to the club.
void void
is it really a thing to get banned for, making a different account to hold guilds?
inb4 falls under "potentially faudulent activity"
vernal moth
Well, multi accounting
mighty storm
Had that happen to me too mikro
It's basically this: https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/qw5nPuqqAnGRoT9FCU2NL2zin_DGrGcFYscVmsu_rAI/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/473364634301366275/750195823890923650/unknown.png
worn ember
adds it to list
sorry we dont do that here
worn ember
minor badge
@mental meadow ```
Total days: 1298
Total seconds: 11324843.435771132
Total hours: 3145.789843269759
Languages:
- Kotlin with 3139724s / 52329m / 872.1h / 36.3d
- Java with 2498823s / 41647m / 694.1h / 28.9d
- Rust with 1845573s / 30760m / 512.7h / 21.4d
- Other with 625226s / 10420m / 173.7h / 7.2d
- HOCON with 295452s / 4924m / 82.1h / 3.4d
- Go with 286566s / 4776m / 79.6h / 3.3d
- Clojure with 253041s / 4217m / 70.3h / 2.9d
- Groovy with 224780s / 3746m / 62.4h / 2.6d
- Crystal with 222105s / 3702m / 61.7h / 2.6d
- YAML with 210621s / 3510m / 58.5h / 2.4d
- Markdown with 203409s / 3390m / 56.5h / 2.4d
- TOML with 198443s / 3307m / 55.1h / 2.3d
- Bash with 194593s / 3243m / 54.1h / 2.3d
- C++ with 107515s / 1792m / 29.9h / 1.2d
- Git with 89610s / 1493m / 24.9h / 1.0d
- VimScript with 88694s / 1478m / 24.6h / 1.0d```
here's some of my wakatime data ^^
worn ember
cmon bruh, i just want a chart
might just make my own bstats and use grafana instead at this point
void void
hehe
worn ember
might not be a bad idea
minor badge
waka waka this is for africa or smth
mental meadow
yea
vernal moth
How did you generate that proxi?
mental meadow
python 2
slim nymph
you only now seen it amaranth?
vernal moth
As is the whole periodic table
slim nymph
its amazing difference in performance
vernal moth
Sodium, lithium, phosphor
magic river
I don't keep up with such things much these days ๐
slim nymph
we mention it in here a lot lol
vernal moth
Gotta get them all
magic river
Lithium and Phosphor make Fabric more efficient than Paper ๐
mental meadow
does it have shader support now?
slim nymph
eh would need to see fair comparisons there, like what does fabric do thats better or what part of bukkit causes slowdowns vs vanilla
no, shader would be a diff mod
doubt jellys gonna do it now that shes uh kinda moved on to greener pastures though
magic river
?
slim nymph
keep optimizing mc or work on the nicer ecosystem, not a hard decision ๐
vernal moth
Another one lost to the hypixel/hytale overlords
slim nymph
she got hired by hytale
mental meadow
so I have to stay with Optifine :C
slim nymph
shes maintaining her mods @mental meadow
just saying her making a new shader mod seems less likely
vernal moth
Well, others could
slim nymph
yeah but well see if it has her quality ๐
warped panther
Hey people
How is everyone :D
I kind of need help but don't know if i'm right here.
So i just read an article that in a few months i have to change from the normal Java supported minecraft to the bedrock edition :| is this true or was it just a made up thing? If it would be true... This would really be a crappy thing... D:
warped panther
I could send a link but it's a german side...
slim nymph
sounds like someone misinterpreted MSA migration
mental meadow
oh yes
magic river
You'd have to remake all the shaders for this anyway, unless they're only image based postprocessing
mental meadow
german uwu
magic river
It has new vertex formats and such
slim nymph
mini is 100% germ man
minor badge
even the title is wrong
warped panther
UwU i'm a tired thing and this just shooked me
mental meadow
Denn Microsoft hat nun bekanntgegeben, dass Mojang-Konten zu Microsoft-Konten wechseln mรผssen. In den kommenden Monaten werden die Spieler Massenweise per E-Mail darรผber informiert, wie sie ihre Konten migrieren kรถnnen. Neben dem Blog-Beitrag hat Mojang ein Video erstellt, um den Wechsel zu erklรคren und Probleme vorzubeugen.
mental meadow
basically you convert your mojang account into a microsoft account and play with the microsoft one
slim nymph
you will simply upgrade your minecraft-only account to a all-of-microsoft-ecosystem account is all
minor badge
You just have to use Microsoft's accounts; it'll give you more security, and it'll stay Java Edition as you have always known ^^
vernal moth
It's just a "hey you need to do smth for 5 minutes"
slim nymph
once you complete the migration, everything is identical to before for most part
mental meadow
and the titel is not really clickbait tbh, since they are mentioning "cracked" versions and how that change might make that harder
golden gust
cracked versions won't change at all
vernal moth
It will not make offline mode harder in any way
slim nymph
yeah this is a no op to them
warped panther
:3 thank u
I was just really confused
slim nymph
offline skips auth, no change here at all
vernal moth
Basically your normal low effort journalism
vernal moth
Not really
minor badge
multimc will work fine
vernal moth
The author of multimc works on the mojang launcher ^^
He's literally part of the team making the migration
slim nymph
multimc can just change their practices to be identical to vanilla launcher
minor badge
it'll take a few weeks or more, but it'll work fine ^^
slim nymph
and mojang is gonna make sure they still work
vernal moth
I doubt weeks
magic river
I'm sure as fuck not letting MultiMC (or Mojang launcher) store my microsoft account user/pass
minor badge
just make new accs for MC in specific like i will
slim nymph
mojang really is being super nice and really genuinely wants to do things right with the third party community
vernal moth
Well, that's a you problem, you already get be them your current account
And it's open source you can just compile yourself if you want
Or just use vanilla launcher like normals
magic river
My current account is just a MC account since Scrolls died
slim nymph
did scrolls remove multiplayer or something? I know its still around but iwth a different name
magic river
It's valuable to idiots because of my cape but not like my Microsoft account would be
slim nymph
and side topic, is anyone old and experienced enough to answer wtf reason would one spend 200$ on a cast iron pan vs 20$? how is it really any different?
magic river
There are cast iron pans for $20?
vernal moth
They get hotter
slim nymph
yeah i got one off amazon
slim nymph
magic river
I'm getting some carbon steel pans so I'm a heretic to cast iron folks ๐
warped panther
I got one from my mom and she got her pan from her mom...
slim nymph
but if its the same material, how is it different to justify a 10x price increase?
warped panther
Probably the brand?
ashen cliff
Different method of forming/shaping.
slim nymph
doesnt justify 10x lol
ashen cliff
Tooling is expensive AF.
slim nymph
yeah and this 25$ pan is doing everything a cast iron should
golden gust
It's a product which will last
slim nymph
so will this 25$ one
slim nymph
unless can detail on how this is fake and like 30% cast iron or something and gonna fall apart in 3 years
right, im questioning how the hell do people justify it?
180$ on a logo?
ashen cliff
Keeping it forever.
minor badge
$25 every 3 yrs for something that might only become better isnt bad tbqh
golden gust
I mean, I'm just scrolling through the reviews, one review is like "cracked in half"
magic river
I suppose once you season it enough the roughness of the texture doesn't matter so that one looking like sandpaper isn't a negative
Maybe it's more brittle or something, that's a problem with cast iron
slim nymph
that was only theoretical @minor badge, unles someone can say "this isnt a true cast iron pan, so its going to fan in 3 years", this should also last a life time
yeah it was rougher when i first got it but its already smoothing out
minor badge
indeed, but if it does, its still 30 yrs on cheap pans and might only become better as tech becomes better lol
slim nymph
when i first got it paper towel was linting off everywhere, now its not
ashen cliff
Pan.
golden gust
You don't fuck with cast iron
slim nymph
yeah its my expectation this is 100% cast iron, no tech involved lol
magic river
Just never put it in cold water and don't drop it, main difference in price is probably just because it's made in China instead of Germany or whatever
minor badge
a pan can become a lot better w time :>
golden gust
No
It's literally a pan
It's literally molded cast iron or whatever
You don't replace cast iron
minor badge
ur mums a pan 
magic river
I'm replacing cast iron with carbon steel ๐
golden gust
It's literally expected that a proper cast iron pan will outlive you by generations if looked after
magic river
Although we'll still use the giant cast iron
slim nymph
I have this nice TFal 12" pan but its got multiple damage to the non stick so had to replace it and got a cast iron. but im prob gonna replace it still with another tfal for when i dont feel like dealing with cleanup length.
magic river
The ones we have were something my grandma bought someone for a christmas gift or something in like 1970 and forgot to give them, we got them in 1990 instead
slim nymph
im still paranoid to try eggs in the cast iron lol
golden gust
I honestly don't go near non stick
magic river
(my grandma was a bit of a packrat)
hardy harbor
I honestly don't go near non stick
+1
slim nymph
why would you use a sticking pan? what benefit would it have
golden gust
I fucking hate those teflon flipply floppy spatulas which can't lift a burger without flexing in scary ways
magic river
Cast iron cleanup shouldn't be that much work once it's properly seasoned, so long as you don't ruin the seasoning
golden gust
Well, I mean, it's not coated in a sketchy material which flakes off?
slim nymph
yeah im still learning about how to NOT ruin it >_>
whats the major nonos?
i know soap deteriorates
magic river
Basically never use water
ashen cliff
Just throw aluminum foil in the pan and bake on that, then turn it around.
Those were horrible days.
magic river
For a bad mess a little water might be needed but if so rub some oil on it after and put it on the stove for a few minutes to cook the water off
slim nymph
but yeah i know to dry it off thorougly
magic river
TBH we abuse the hell out of ours and they're still okay
slim nymph
can scrubbing break the seasoning?
magic river
Sure
Definitely no scratchpad, even hard scrubbing with a wash cloth is bad though
Have to oil it for sure after that
But this is just to keep it in peak condition, so long as you remember to cook it dry you can abuse the hell out of it
Letting it rust is the only way to ruin it and even that you can recover from unless you do it your whole life and rust holes in it
ashen cliff
Never wash, just wipe.
At least that's what I do, but some types of oil turn into unholy sticky abominations.
magic river
I'm switching to carbon steel because they're easier to season and much lighter
Downside is they don't retain heat as well so you can't use them as a replacement for a grill
true canyon
Hold up, no avoiding water on a cast iron? You should be able to cover your cast iron in soap and water , scrub with stiff nylon brush, and rinse, and then just chuck it on the stove for a bit to dry off ๐
magic river
RIP seasoning
slim nymph
yeah soap breaks down oil
magic river
Tomato paste and wine do too so no sautรฉs
zealous wedge
yeah, the most I do on my cast iron is rinse it off, maybe soaking for a little bit if stuff gets stuck on
then just give it a drizzle of oil when I'm done cooking
slim nymph
people get too overtly paranoid over "bacteria!!!", theres nothing there for a bacteria colony to grow on lol
my main worry is if using like olive oil is risk of oxidation for the storage coating
though olive is mono, so maybe less risk
im mainly using nothing but avocado oil now
but since you want to oxidize for seasoning, coconut should be fine for that right?
worn ember
omg germs! u genne die
slim nymph
seems higher spoke point wouldnt be desired for seasoning
worn ember
even so, you're literally baking them
magic river
Higher smoke point for seasoning makes it less likely you'll burn the seasoning off later
But it's harder to season it to start with
void void
hi
slim nymph
so you can burn the existing seasoning if using low smoke point oils?
i figured the process would change it chemically enough
magic river
Pretty much only if you forget it on the stove when drying it
If you're cooking something in it I've never heard of it happening
slim nymph
what if drying on low temps ,is it duration of heat even at low temp can burn it?
magic river
I don't think so
slim nymph
in other news, down 30lb in 10.5~ weeks
gave myself a 30~ hour fast to kick past a stall and got the lovely woosh
magic river
Solution if you do that is to cook more bacon in it ๐
That was on full heat on the stove with nothing in it for like 20 minutes
slim nymph
this spot on the left, that look like season hasnt built up there yet where rest has?
magic river
That looks like it'd feel tacky
slim nymph
my stove has a tilt and the damn oil moves to one side more
but when i turned the pan so oil moved to that side more, it "filled in" more
magic river
You should put it in the oven to season it
slim nymph
i was reading stovetop method is better?
magic river
Or you can just cook in it and naturally build up a seasoning
slim nymph
yeah last time i cooked that spot looked "better", so i feel like its more of ive just been building unevenly
magic river
Oven is better for the initial seasoning I think but people argue over this stuff for hours
slim nymph
due to the unevenness
magic river
It doesn't really matter ๐
slim nymph
i do got a pack of bacon to fry, maybe ill do that today and see if it evens out more
this is that 25$ pan, ive only had it for a few weeks now
magic river
As long as it is seasoned and doesn't feel tacky you're good, it's probably never going to look pretty
People work hard to make them look pretty just to show off, it doesn't make them work any better
slim nymph
i was just worried was it that i scrubbed off the pre season in that area
magic river
Crack an egg in there and you'll find out real quick ๐
slim nymph
this was a before picture before that last cook
you can see its worse there
had taken that pic to ask someone but never got around to it lol
magic river
That does look like there is no coating in the pits there but it could just be a different kind of oil coating it there, hard to say from a picture
I think you can tell from feel but damned if I know what you're feeling for
When in doubt cook more bacon
slim nymph
it made me question why the outer edges would be more consistent, not like im cooking to hard edge
so made me feel like risk of scrubbed too hard there
magic river
If you have to scrub at all it's probably a sign the seasoning isn't all that good to begin with
slim nymph
the little scrubbers with sponge one side and green the other, is that green stuff too rough?
magic river
Yes, that's a scratchpad ๐
worn ember
No one:
Paper general: Pans. Take it or leave it
slim nymph
lol
its useful information for young ones entering adult hood!
get you a pan and get working on it
magic river
I got yelled at when I was a kid if I used one of those on pretty much any pan, even worse for the cast iron
slim nymph
i had one when i was younger but fucked it up and said screw this, only now decided to get another
wanted it specially for searing
now need to get some cast iron weights to hold steaks down
magic river
If something is sticking to cast iron you can heat it back up a little then wipe it down while warm (careful not to burn yourself, obviously)
Only thing I've ever seen stick is a burnt oil/breading mix from using it to fry chicken or eggs, usually warming it up or soaking make that come right off
When in doubt about seasoning damage put some oil on a paper towel and wipe it down after cleaning
Worst case you didn't really need it and are just adding another layer to the seasoning but that's still a good thing
(this is basically all things I learned from my grandma and uncle, I don't actually cook with the cast iron much)
slim nymph
well im now eating like 3-5 steaks a weak, so getting a lot of use ๐
vernal moth
Been singing/playing piano with my sister again today, haven't done that in ages, now I wanna get out my keyboard at home again and see how bad I got at reading sheet music, lol
cedar spade
Mini debut album wen
zealous wedge
let's get mini's LP out
vernal moth
I never said I sang good, lol
I sing good enough to not be ashmed to sing to car radio with friends or in a bar, but thats about it, lol
my sis is kinda good
ashen cliff
TFW someone opens a new server, gets 100 players in 1 day, so you have no idea if they are fake players or actually players.
Even disabled chat.
limber knotBOT
I mean, do they run around and play like normal?
formal turret
well they're either bots or they used bot accounts to spam other MC discords
ashen cliff
I have seen 0 players on the server.
limber knotBOT
then I highly doubt they are real lol
limber knotBOT
just find a plugin command which shows online players which the forgot to hide 
ashen cliff
Well. They have Harbor... shows 5 players needed to skip the night.... while there are 100 users online.
twin lagoon
yatopia jesus take the wheel
ashen cliff
/tell tab complete sorts by usernames right?
Also this: https://posili.me/i/2020-11-01_19-49-22.png
And that one is mine.
limber knotBOT
player name tab completion is based on the tab list afaik
twin lagoon
it is
ashen cliff
In that case, their user tab complete makes no sense.
worn ember
@vernal moth speaking of music sheets, we're actually working on an app that lets you easily share and download sheets digitally. So you can share them to band members etc
pretty cool 
and you can even link them to instruments
its in the proof of concept stage but some academies seem interested in using it due to the whole covid shizzle
cunning raft
worn ember
i mean, that goes for any site you can upload to
foggy elbow
Hello there
What java version do you recommand ( or GraalVM ) ? :D
I want the "best performances" but without having incompatible plugins ^^
(and I don't know anything in java version, currently running java 8)
fallen oracle
I know a lot run on 8, 11 or (14?)
worn ember
higher usually isnt an issue
foggy elbow
Yes I wanted to try Java 14 or GraalVM 11
java 15 got issues with some plugins ( like protocollib )
but I wanted some feedback ^^
I don't want to make my server get a lot of issue cause of java 
golden gust
graal has a bug in their EE version which breaks paperclip unless you disable that optimization with a bug
Beyond that, ๐คทโโ๏ธ
twin lagoon
java won't affect performance
you're not going to squeeze out any performance by switching
foggy elbow
yes but it can improve cpu/ram usage right ?
twin lagoon
that's not important if you have a dedicated server and enough space
foggy elbow
so stay on java 8 is the best things to do 
vernal moth
you're not going to squeeze out any performance by switching
@twin lagoon there is a noticable difference between 8 and modern versions
For GC shit
twin lagoon
zgc maybe
vernal moth
No g1gc
foggy elbow
I'll try how I can upgrade, I'll see if my ptero and docker are compatible
pastel pivot
zzzCat remember when we talked about happens-before relationships with invokeAndWait. Actually there seems to be a way to implement it without a happens-before relationship using JDK 9 Memory Order Modes (the Opaque mode to be specific). But it's true, before JDK 9 there seems to be no way to do it without imposing a happens-before relationship. See https://stackoverflow.com/a/64627234/3882565 for a detailed answer in case you are interested.
golden gust
i think that's missing the point of the actual question and going more into technical details elsewhere
mental meadow
Has anyone here ever used spiget to download a resource from spigot?
Can't get it to work with the example stuff lol
unreal quarry
I did once, I didn't like it
It has really long caches (I was releasing updates faster than cache updated)
mental meadow
Is there another good way tho?
Because afaik Spigot themselfes have no API for that
mossy vessel
The caches are like 6h or so
unreal quarry
I just resorted to using a CI and ditched spiget ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
mossy vessel
Dunno if the xfrmapi has a method for that, but probably not
mental meadow
well a CI doesn't help me xD
We have a script that automatically checks and downloads updates for our plugins, and for dev.bukkit, jenkins ci and github releases it works fine, but for Spigot you need some kind of API because of cloudflare
mossy vessel
Just ditch spigot and use hangar
worn ember
spigot has a download api now i think
mental meadow
really? ๐ฎ
mental meadow
that would be awesome
olive marlin
aurora my script for that when it finds spigot/jenkins resource that's behind CF and is rejected just posts direct download link for me to download manually.
twin lagoon
uwuwa
olive marlin
Not the best solution, but all the cf-bypassing libs I used broke a few months ago.
mental meadow
we do something similar but I want it automatic :C
mental meadow
michawa
twin lagoon
awa
mental meadow
But that can't download ressources Ded
worn ember
oh yeah ig you cant
right, i think md didnt want that cuz it would be easier to bot your downloads or something
vernal moth
https://github.com/SpigotMC/XenforoResourceManagerAPI/issues/34 is all I care about
worn ember
i think he mentioned it on spigot that he had no interest in adding it
vernal moth
since I wanna make an button in hangar "import from spigot" and then it just steals your spigot description and converts it for hangar
now you need to steal it manually
worn ember
lol
olive marlin
I'm pretty sure a while back I heard that MD did put CF with captcha in front of download intentionally.
worn ember
yup
i mean i understand why you'd do it
lots of skiddies would love to boost their downloads
mental meadow
i still don't get why he could just give us an api for that and not count those downloads
mossy vessel
Welp, someone would need to write it
hollow plaza
I never rebased that pr because it had a weird bug and I thought that the gamerule check was kind of janky. The bug is that the first time after the gamerule changes it for some reason uses the old gamerule setting but afterward uses the new one. I think this is a vanilla bug though.
worn ember
its not me its them
hollow plaza
I'll rebase and edit the pr and check if the bug is still there
worn ember
i'd honestly love to see the CF stats of spigot
twin lagoon
@meager tusk 
meager tusk
@twin lagoon 
twin lagoon
olive marlin
Michael - I tried knoxite for backups - it's nice, but for some reason the compression libs it uses seem sub-optimal, it doesn't have locks yet (so when you create 2 snapshots at the same time, you'll see only one because file got over-written xD), and it has OOM issue.
For some reason, normal compression took 3 minutes, gzip etc took 6, zstd took 17 and lzma took 42. For the same output size.
olive marlin
It's post-backup, which is why I'm confused.
It finishes backup, prints summary, hangs for 7 seconds and then OOMs xD
I bet they didn't test it with million of files - which is what seems to be triggerring it.
I did quick and dirty comparision of the algorithms - looks like for most of my data, I can reduce the upload/storage size by 1/3.
And probably get rid of restic downloading a lot of stuff on prune operations.
opal zinc
Hey Folks, I just wanted to let you know that using a paper-server with the fabric-client + sodium can give you a 75,7353 % performance booooooost!
Fabric API + sodium
Vanilla-Client
twin lagoon
k
hollow plaza
How do I rebase my pr again?
minor badge
its generally easy to fix conflicts on edits too
git rebase upstream/master for me ^^
hollow plaza
I think I just added one patch
Okay I'll try that though I don't think I have upstream set up
olive marlin
git fetch upstream
git rebase upstream/master
./paper p
./paper rb
iirc
lean kiln
Okay I'll try that though I don't think I have upstream set up
set up upstream then
olive marlin
git remote add upstream https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper.git
opal zinc
Is someone using the fabric-client with sodium?
hollow plaza
I am
opal zinc
Really?
hollow plaza
Yes...
opal zinc
Just now or before
hollow plaza
Before
olive marlin
I was using the combo (sodium, lithum, phosphor) for a few months.
opal zinc
what is phosphor
minor badge
i use [redacted]light @twin lagoon ๐ผ
olive marlin
Though stopped updating it because I don't play almost at all.
hollow plaza
Lighting optimization mod from the same author as Sodium
twin lagoon
[redacted]light is epic
vernal moth
One is the rendering, one is the lighting, one is the general improvement
opal zinc
since today I know what lithium is๐
vernal moth
I always confuse what's what
vernal moth
And there's a 4th one, with experimental stuff
opal zinc
What will be the next mod...maybe helium for maxxx performance?
vernal moth
Something with h
Not helium, something more complicated
Reducing the memory footprint
hollow plaza
Hydrogen for chunk improvements or something
twin lagoon
the next mod is [redacted]light
minor badge
[redacted]light is epic
opal zinc
ah, what?
ashen cliff
||[redacted]||
opal zinc
redacted light?
minor badge
mod I'm not so sure we're allowed to mention by name :p
twin lagoon
minor badge
a few of us cool kids have experienced its epicness though
opal zinc
Ah shit, here we go again๐ฉ
hollow plaza
I know of only one plugin that ends in light
opal zinc
What is the best combination for perf in java minecraft (I use sodium)
opal zinc
wow, okay
ashen cliff
And Optifine.
opal zinc
pfffff optifine?
worn ember
lol this song "if its too loud you're too old"
Yeah imagine not wanting to go deaf
zealous wedge
optifine is a shaders mod, not a performance mod :p
opal zinc
Hey Folks, I just wanted to let you know that using a paper-server with the fabric-client + sodium can give you a 75,7353 % performance booooooost!
Fabric API + sodium
But mine does
worn ember
just put in the random elements of the periodic table and add "minecraft" at the end
you'll get a whole list of client optimization mods
zealous wedge
we're all familiar with the elementals lol
minor badge
dumbeyedragon
minor badge
nor did i but here i am .
worn ember
yeah but ur a nurd
minor badge
wtf
opal zinc
WTF 2 GPUs? @ashen cliff
worn ember
2>1
minor badge
what you running, krusic?
opal zinc
?
ashen cliff
Good old GT80 Titan SLI.
minor badge
ooh
opal zinc
Wait, what?
worn ember
isnt that a car?
worn ember
i guess not
ashen cliff
Yes.
worn ember
lmfao
ashen cliff
Somewhat modded, better cooling and no power limits on the GPUs.
opal zinc
a Schleppptop๐ (german= heavy laptop)
ashen cliff
A real beast.
worn ember
can it run crisis?
opal zinc
REMASTERED?
ashen cliff
Yes, no.
opal zinc
in epic for just 13 bucks
ashen cliff
Since they don't support old SLI afaik.
worn ember
me: maybe i should upgrade my vps
guess not lol
opal zinc
what graph is that?
worn ember
cpu usage
mighty storm
amazing! all my problems relating to time were fixed when i set the timezone of my server to my own timezone
hollow plaza
WSL2 really doesn't seem to run much faster than WSL1
worn ember
@minor badge i see you added status: accepted to my issue, does that mean you're are/going to be doing that? (Just to know cuz i had someone else ask if he should do it)
hollow plaza
I tried to run some stuff on VirtualBox too and it was super slow
minor badge
@worn ember i don't plan to, no
worn ember
okay
minor badge
that's why good first issue is there ^^
worn ember
worn ember
It works on both the client and server
opal zinc
It works on both the client and server, and can be installed on servers without requiring clients to also have the mod. With the mod installed, you can see on average a 45% improvement to server tick times, resulting in a much leaner game.
Thx @worn ember
worn ember
austere ivy
Lithium requires fabric, yeah?
worn ember
paper dont run fabric
austere ivy
Paper doesnโt support fabric IIRC, so thatโs why.
worn ember
paper fabric wen
austere ivy
why say many word when few word do trick
worn ember
less words = gooder
austere ivy
less = yes
limpid comet
hi gnerds
austere ivy
aw dang it my epic pfp is out of date, gotta fix that
opal zinc
Make a combi with fabric and paper, xD
austere ivy
hi blue 
opal zinc
Can i put paper in the mods-folder of fabric? ๐
zealous wedge
there's been some work on making fabric able to launch a paper server and load mods
the real issue is how to enable plugins and mods to talk to each other
formal turret
the custom payload packet?
zealous wedge
no
formal turret
oh ok
zealous wedge
that's not relevant on a single server
opal zinc
WOW that would be fabulous
zealous wedge
the thing is making the thing start up isn't the hard part
the hard part is making plugins not blow up the moment you start adding custom content
opal zinc
what then?
zealous wedge
and making mods not blow up when they run into paper's modifications to the server
opal zinc
because theyยดre written in the API of fabric, right?
zealous wedge
like lithium would never work unmodified -- both paper and lithium touch the same areas of the server
this is below even api level
this relates to how they modify the mojang server
opal zinc
okay, thats new for me
Iยดm like trying to understand how the entire thing is like working how it is
And why things aren't able to communicate properly to each other
Soo, realtalk: If I wanna use the best perf mods should I use a paper or fabric server?
Be honest, pls
formal turret
uhh pretty sure a fabric server with sodium and lithium performs about the same as a paper server
opal zinc
Really?
formal turret
but then you miss out on plugins
worn ember
https://github.com/jellysquid3/lithium-fabric/issues/37#issuecomment-626251721 idk why i found this so funny
opal zinc
Because I found a reallllly cool mod for cars
Can u help me? I cant find the minecraft lava thing (forge and paper) on internet
worn ember
just run forge or sponge bruh
theres plenty of admin mods out there to help you manage your server
opal zinc
Sponge?
zealous wedge
well, sponge hasn't yet been updated to 1.16
worn ember
they're on 1.15 now right?
formal turret
not yet, i think they said they're close
worn ember
twin lagoon
you don't need the api
opal zinc
I do for sodium
worn ember
i think some mods use the api
opal zinc
It says
minor badge
fabric api doesnt hurt
twin lagoon
proxi ๐
opal zinc
And why should it hurt?
minor badge
michale uwu
opal zinc
Proxi what?
worn ember
michael just being a grumpy dutchman
twin lagoon
also sodium works fine without it
opal zinc
And all the others?
twin lagoon
what about it
zealous wedge
jelly tries to have no fapi deps in her mods
sodium will need it eventually, as soon as frapi support comes in
opal zinc
Whatยดs that?
zealous wedge
that's part of fabric api lol
opal zinc
hm
twin lagoon
but it's not necessary for those mods
zealous wedge
it's just one of the ones you get
opal zinc
Note
twin lagoon
"not even the Fabric API are required in order to use"
worn ember
all i did was make a fish entity and i needed fabric api for it lol
opal zinc
yes
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opal zinc
wtf
fallen oracle
It literally says you don't need it for Sodium. I'm not sure what you're attacking Michael about this for.
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fallen oracle
If you're going to ask for advice, listen to the people, and don't argue / attack them when you don't agree on something they say.
fallen oracle
Go for it.
opal zinc
next wind
twin lagoon
sodium + lithium + phosphor makes a massive difference
3000fps is stupidly high
i highly doubt you're getting that lol
sounds like a mistake
zealous wedge
yeah, sodium optimizes rendering -- a lot of things aren't rendering-related
plus of course the JVM has some warmup time when you first start the game
all the elementals together is generally what people go for
worn ember
Sodium, Phosphor, Lithium
Together we make the ELEMENTALS
epic battle music starts playing
elementals netflix adaptation wen
round igloo
does anyone know of any library plugin for users to put books up for others to buy & read? i've been trying to find one but it's super hard because all that comes up are plugin libraries, rather than library plugins lol
hollow plaza
I try to rebase and it gives my a bunch of conflicts
This is so frustrating
It just gives me a conflict for every commit
olive marlin
@hollow plaza What you can try:
cp -r Spigot-Server-Patches{,.bak} # backup your patch
git reset --hard upstream/master # Make your HEAD point to upstreeam/master, deleting all your changes
cp Spigot-Server-Patches.bak/<YourPatch>.patch Spigot-ServerPatches/ # Restore your patch
./paper p # Apply all patches
./paper rb # Rebuild all patches
git add Spigot-Server-Patches/
git commit -m "My Commit Message"
NOTE: You "loose" all your commits - it's still available in your git reflog if you accidentally deleted too much ๐
ashen cliff
Now write me a script that will auto upstream a project that doesn't use patches.
olive marlin
auto upstream a project
What?
ashen cliff
Exactly as it says.
hollow plaza
Hmm
Proxi's code was using origin/master for rebase but I'm on origin/fix/harming-potion-dupe so maybe that's why
Confusing but I'll try a few more things
Oh no even ./paper p doesn't work anymore
vernal moth
If you have issues rebasing a PR, just let it be, we can handle it
hollow plaza
I've literally been trying for two hours and I think I'm further away from actually doing it now than I was before I started
twin lagoon
@cam
fuck
@restive thicket can floodgate/geyser forward player IPs?
some guy in paper-help just reported that it doesn't and it wouldn't surprise me if that's true
restive thicket
Floodgate does, yes.
restive thicket
If you're using BungeeCord/Waterfall/Velocity, you will need to have Floodgate on the backends too I believe.
twin lagoon
restive thicket
Always feel free to ping me if you need something!
twin lagoon
austere ivy
@restive thicket I need a friend
void void
bruh
restive thicket
imagine that is u
twin lagoon
worn pasture
why would anyone be upside down
worn pasture
half nebula
Phoenix616 your mending nerf is that available anywhere? Was reading back previously how you tied it to repair. I hate mending, so unbalanced, we have had it disabled but I caved when we recently reset.
"I changed it so that mending takes into account the repair cost of the item and increases it on each repair"
hollow plaza
Finally I fully rebased my pr
magic river
Wait is that saying it makes mending just an automatic anvil repair so it'll still cap out after a couple refreshes?
If so just block mending entirely, less suffering
eternal widget
Anyone know of a GOOD entity optimizer? I have more than 2 k entities
(mention me)