true
#general
pseudo pilot
golden gust
piracy really doesn't hurt that much
limpid comet
i only use one premium plugin which is kiteboard
i try not to use them, but sometimes i find it more efficient time-wise to just use the plugin instead of writing my own :p
golden gust
- Most people pirating are generally pirating because they have 0 interest in paying in the first place, or just want to be able to test the plugin without paying
- Unless you're a large plugin with strong demand, the release of leaked updates is generally slower, so people feel inclined to end up paying to get critical updates when they can afford it
I'd argue that piracy probably helps you more than it harms you ๐คทโโ๏ธ
pseudo pilot
true
limpid comet
yes, i used to pirate plugins to test them out
then i would buy the full version if i actually wanted it
vestal jasper
The best antipiracy is to release software that's easily accessible and worth paying for
You're better off convincing the pirates that they want to pay, rather than stopping them from using said thing if they don't pay
Which feeds into the "have a sane and well done demo" thing
ashen cliff
Best antipiracy? Force them to use a USB drive to verify their product, combine that with always online DRM or better yet, web only app. 
vernal bone
void void
last time i bought something was AAC and its optimized config service lol
ashen cliff
A yes, good old invalid packets killing the driver: https://posili.me/i/2020-10-21_12-39-20.png
ashen cliff
So. Trash Broadcom driver -> Outdated LTS (aka unsupported) Ubiquiti AP -> Cisco Switch -> Old outdated unsupported from the start Cisco/Linksys Switch -> Onboard NIC.
Also Ubiquiti really pulled a 300 IQ play. So you can't downgrade versions for some reason on their now LTS APs...
And now you are stuck on a unstable beta build, with broken roaming, wifi in general and random resets.
ashen cliff
Also OpenWRT is almost impossible to install without hardware flashers.
untold copper
day 4 of 2 week holiday after exam uwu
mental meadow
what the fuck
To change the country of your SoYouStart account you have to use the API
mental meadow
ah nice
and it returns null when successful apparently
put srsly
I have to change my account data with a PUT request
how hacky is that
vernal moth
Re: today's bomb, 9 ppl in corona quarantine had to be evacuated, one wasn't at home and will now be fined for leaving his house ๐
Unlucky dude
mental meadow
Why are there so many bombs where you live wtf
vernal moth
Ask cat
mental meadow
๐
limpid comet
is cat running around throwing bombs to try and kill you..?
mental meadow
But you seem especially unlucky with that
vernal moth
No, but his grandpa did ^^
limpid comet
vernal moth
Well, am in cologne, this city is build on ww2 bombs
vernal moth
Doesn't help that ppl started to rebuild their homes before the war was over ๐
vestal jasper
what scent
mental meadow
Vanilla
mental meadow
What's the difference
vestal jasper
french vanilla is actually good
mental meadow
It's a scented candle from ikea so idk
Let's call it swedish vanilla
City probably licked it
visual egret
i just found that you can check device specs at https://account.microsoft.com/devices/
my laptop (now on ubuntu and running 
)
somehow manages to get >19tps
most of the time
limpid comet
just don't show that to michael
limber knotBOT
btw IRC never forgets
I love how discord doesn't delete images when you delete the message
It's so nice
it actually depends. sometimes it deletes it (iirc if the image is the only part of the message)
limpid comet
I'll hop on IRC later if you can give me a good TUI IRC
limber knotBOT
TUI?
limpid comet
Terminal UI
austere ivy
is rsync still the recommended solution on daily/hourly/whatever server backups?
limber knotBOT
ah, never heard anyone call it that lol. irssi or weechat
no, rsnapshot is
or rdiff-backup
austere ivy
oh? ah okay, Iโll check those out, thanks!
limber knotBOT
(iirc the both use rsync internally but why re-invent the wheel by writing the whole backup scheduler and manager?)
I should really stop buying domains and then not doing anything with it :S
warm anchor
Itโs a form of addiction 
limber knotBOT
I guess it doesn't help if the tool I wanted to create (an IPFS image upload site) already exists a couple dozen times xD
visual egret
did i even have to hide the serial number?
limber knotBOT
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
void void
Wanted to share this since I've been toiling away on it for 3 weeks. Finished my first pass on an implementation of BungeeCord in Rust from scratch. It works, too! Just need to add support for multiple versions, and then some docs, and I'll release it. I have it on github here: https://github.com/Twister915/rustcord
pulsar wigeon
void void
@pulsar wigeon haha maybe I need a catchy name like that- mine's all about speed! ๐
@austere ivy thanks ๐
void void
components?
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chat messages
void void
Oh, I have that implemented here: https://github.com/Twister915/mcproto-rs/blob/master/src/chat.rs
golden gust
I mean, if you took bungee's aproach for stuff like server switching, just, oof...
minor badge
alloc crate
void void
The server switching is currently implemented using respawn packets. Not sure if I want to change that
Also yeah, it's got some memory allocations, but it's a great tradeoff. Cost is very low
vestal jasper
oh no you summoned proxi
void void
I just Box the chat messages for dealing with self referental type issues
golden gust
with respawn packets, you gotta deal with stuff like rewriting entity metadata packets and all that mess
limber knotBOT
I mean as long as one doesn't try to do multi-version support its pretty straight forward lol
void void
If the server thinks the client has a different ID than the client does, you just have to rewrite those IDs
you have no choice that I can think of
but yes, it's a total pain in the ass for multiple versions
golden gust
send it a join game or whatever it's called packet
You can just send the client it's new entity ID
void void
Let's see if that crashes the client, I didn't even try that haha, I just assumed if bungee went to all the trouble of implementing remapping, that it wouldn't work
golden gust
We have an option in waterfall to disable the remapping, velocity also uses the same technique at it's core
void void
Oh wow you guys already did that?
Nice
That'll simplify my code a ton
I need to do a second pass, as well, because there's a few artifacts of previous designs in my current code for rustcord, so I'll include researching this in that
Though if it's as easy as you say it should be very very quick
I understand that the faster Java proxies also use different compression libraries? I'm using zlib, but libdeflate is apparently all the rage
golden gust
the major thing is not using java's older built in decompression iirc
Newer versions of java apparently have a much faster API, but, ofc, that requires people to be using newer versions of java, beyond that, native libs are the way to go
void void
not sure if you're deep in the internals of velocity, but I'm also curious how they implement encryption
that was the one that actually slowed my first impl down a ton- CFB8 is very expensive if you imlpement it all in software ๐
I fucked up flipping the flag for AES-NI instructions and I don't think rust optimized any of the algo I wrote into SIMD instructions
until I flipped a feature flag, that is
but must be a pain in java
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compression
void void
weary burrow
@limpid comet how do you make names like the Reward Shop in your Menu again?
golden gust
well, java has built in support for crpyto, but a native is prefered linked against libssl iirc
(well, in bungee/waterfall)
void void
libssl has CFBx implementations?
golden gust
No idea what that is,tbqh
void void
oh sorry, it's the crypto mc uses
golden gust
and velocity uses mbedtls
void void
I like to think of CFB8 as a higher order function- it takes some block cipher and can make it a stream cipher; and in MC's case it takes AES128 and uses CFB8 to get a 8 bit (1 byte) streaming cipher
weary burrow
is waterfall and bungee like paper and spigot?
void void
cool I'll look at those libs to see if I can use someone else's implementation
I wrote mine from scratch by reading Coelho's beautiful Go implementation for LilyPad
never smart to write your own crypto though
What is the best software for creating a login server in a bungeecord network ( for offline mod ) ?
Bukkit-Spigot-Paper are too greedy, I want the server to be as light as possible (for example no need to handle the chat or chunks etc.).
I have found PrismarineJS/node-minecraft-protocol but it's in JS. There are equivalent in Java ?
vestal jasper
velocity uses mbedtls
Yeah looks like velocity has natives that bind mbedtls through JNI
https://github.com/VelocityPowered/Velocity/blob/master/native/src/main/c/jni_cipher.c
golden gust
Oh, bungee uses mbedtls too
void void
mbedtls_aes_crypt_cfb8
nice
in Rust I can call that directly without overhead
I should just do that haha
my def for cfb8
vestal jasper
I hear mojang provides a pretty decent login server
void void
@void void you could use mcproto-rs to write a server from scratch in Rust ๐
my login server is used to isolate bot attempts that would try to connect
weary burrow
is waterfall and bungee like paper and spigot?
waterfall is "bungeecord 2.0"? or is it used for different things
vestal jasper
waterfall is a fork of bungeecord
void void
So Waterfall is 1.1 of BungeeCord ?
vestal jasper
I didn't say that
weary burrow
so I should use waterfall instead of bungee performance-wise?
golden gust
Well, yes, we also harden a bit more against some exploits vs bungee, etc
mental meadow
if you have performance problems on bungee and below 100 users on it you should worry about something else
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good morning blue
weary burrow
good morning my friend!
slim nymph
only 1 friend here?!
so which of us is friend, and the rest got to suck it up not being friend?
weary burrow
everyone who reads it is friend
if you have performance problems on bungee and below 100 users on it you should worry about something else
@mental meadow lol
it was just an example lmao
twin lagoon
hello
weary burrow
@limpid comet your lobby plugin, the Reward Shop there (Ender Pearl) had a color grade from blue to purple/magenta-ish
hello
slim nymph
If you used Nano Adblocker or Defender on chrome, hopefully you've removed them by now, but now got confirmed malicious use of stolen cookies from those addons hitting popular sites
limpid comet
oh, MiniMessage from the adventure library
Join kyori in #community-guilds to learn more
And yeah I read about that :p
Why wouldn't people just be using uBlock
worn ember
limpid comet
Since nano is just copied uBlock code IIRC
slim nymph
the addons apparently filled in gaps of ublock or something
like removing the "allow certain ads to still render that are not annoying"
worn ember
as long as it doesnt fill my gaps amirite
slim nymph
they use to be legit addons, the author sold the addon to some malicious people
and they abused that to add malware to it
limpid comet
yeah that is as far as i know
worn ember
i'll sell rtp for $50 ๐
limpid comet
honestly if you write software that big you kind of have a moral obligation to not sell it to sketchy people
there's other ways to make money
worn ember
putting ads on your adblocker
limpid comet
community donations
limpid comet
ublock origin, for example, has ten million users
i'm pretty sure a percentage of those people would be willing to donate, possibly even monthly contributions
the creator just doesn't want any
weary burrow
is it an actual API which I can use with a dependency?
limpid comet
yes
adventure text library
minimessage is made by the same people, but a separate dependency
weary burrow
is the color grade complicated?
limpid comet
minimessage lets you do "gradient:color1:color2text</gradient>"
weary burrow
so if I only want the color stuff I use minimessage?
weary burrow
oh
limpid comet
just join the discord i linked, you can find more info there
yes
until it gets shaded into Paper ๐
worn ember
i dont think you need adventure
limpid comet
for minimessage? yes you do
worn ember
adventure-bukkit will do i think
limpid comet
i mean, adventure-bukkit depends on adventure
worn ember
yes
limpid comet
so maven would probably bring that in automatically
worn ember
it would
limpid comet
it's still software that needs to be brought in
i was just explaining it clearly for the man
limpid comet
yes but it still needs to be in your jar lol
worn ember
jar jar binks
weary burrow
I got the minimessage dependency now, but I can't seem to find the bukkit one
weary burrow
is it the adventure-api?
limpid comet
these 4 links should be all you need
weary burrow
the upper messages sounded like I only need 2 dependencies
limpid comet
just import adventure-bukkit, ded was just talking about semantics
limpid comet
it will bring in adventure-api automatically
limpid comet
thanks, you too ๐ o/
weary burrow
more of a nice evening meal o3o
formal knoll
ุthis ุI
swift root
Michael ๐ฅบ
limber knotBOT
I mean maven does that
visual egret
but in a config file
imagine it was as easy as cydia
thats the closest thing i can think of
mossy vessel
visual egret
you just add a repo and add a package, ez, no versions, no scopes, no id's
mossy vessel
Basically what maven/gradle does lmao
quasi valley
who needs versions or scopes anyways 
mossy vessel
Unless you are dum and do things by hand
swift root
Maven but with less control 
visual egret
i prefer the term simple
mossy vessel
Maven without maven, I'm in
swift root
now that you put it that way...
visual egret
java but everything is automatic
quasi valley
I prefer people calling me simple instead of dum as well
limber knotBOT
I mean your IDE is literally automatically doing that so...
swift root
I prefer typing "make a video game" info intellij and just having exactly what I want pop up. that would be ideal
is that how the minecraft devs did it? quite possibly so
visual egret
a language where you dont have to worry about dependencies, it just finds the package and the repo and it all works
lmao
is that how the minecraft devs did it? quite possibly so
@swift root heh
hahh
hahaahh
im dumb
slim nymph
java ecosystem can fail for the exact same reasons nodes does occasionally
the primary difference lies in java tends to version pin and common to run your own cache proxy in front of the public repos
limber knotBOT
you mean mavens
also that's the whole reason why you should have all dependencies in your own repo/proxy instead of relying on third party ones
slim nymph
maven/gradle is the java ecosystem for dep management
visual egret
anyone on linux want to wipe their pc's?
import shutil
shutil.rmtree("/")
even in node you can get those same perks as java
its not a language issue, its a policy one
nexus also works for node modules, so theres your proxy cache, you can version pin, but people moved away from pinning and reliance on semver to improve security
vernal moth
I mean
slim nymph
the amount of risk an outdated dep provides is massively higher scale risk than the risk of an npm module going rogue, java modules can go rogue too
twin lagoon
speaking of nexus
slim nymph
the hell is isodd
twin lagoon
why do all of these enterprise java applications fucking suck to deploy without docker
swift root
idk but it's odd
vernal moth
There is a dependency called isOdd
slim nymph
oh
vernal moth
That checks if a number is odd
slim nymph
well anyone can make it for java too
vernal moth
It has millions of downloads
slim nymph
people making stupid libraries != ecosystem fault
vernal moth
Since it's used in some lib that is used in some giant thing everybody uses
Yeah that wasn't I point, it's the mentality of the ppl that is different
Js ppl are obsessed with keeping the size down, for obvious reasons, which creates weird results
slim nymph
limber knotBOT
I mean it's ony chromium ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
teal egret
when someone mentions "ungoogled chromium" i'll just show them edge
technically matches the description :P
teal egret
yeah, the design is kinda ugly in general
also this is just funny
since lighthouse has links to developers.google.com still
limber knotBOT
uh, at least edge actually keeps the in-page search... not like vivaldi which removes that
teal egret
you mean ctrl + f or something else
limber knotBOT
no, the omnibar search
type youtube and press tab
also why the fuck does edge auto-pin itself after starting it?!? -.-
teal egret
ah, that, as a long term google chrome user I honestly never used that feature
limber knotBOT
I use that all the time, lol
teal egret
I guess to each their own though
limber knotBOT
that feature is the sole reason why I haven't switched to vivaldi (or even firefox) yet
limpid comet
google ur scarin me..
limber knotBOT
I guess they don't differentiate between chrome and chromium though
vernal moth
finally!
I would use other browsers
if their engines wouldnt suck ass
have one of you ever had to optimize a website for safari?...
I much rather do trident/edge or even ie11 than safari
thankfully trident/edge is dead now too, so one less thing to worry about
mental meadow
Good news: I found another sticker!
Bad news: it might be a bit too large for my laptop
vernal moth
thats prolly such a german thing too
do other countries have RETTUNGSGASSEN?
aka, forming a gap between lanes in a traffic jam so that ambulence etc can go thru
upper flicker
yes
twin lagoon
but not the last one
limber knotBOT
just look at the picture lol
upper flicker
though a lot of the time they just encourage you to always move to the right and avoid the left
mental meadow
its kinda self explanatory lol
upper flicker
since most emergency vehicles will choose the left over the middle
mental meadow
if you are on the left lane, go left, if you are on any other lane, go right
thats the rule in germany and austria
upper flicker
only german has such lovely words for it though
mental meadow
an ambulance in austria is called "Rettung" altough it translates to rescue and "gasse" is an alley or smth like that
so Rettungsgasse is a rescue alley for emergency vehicles
vernal moth
Rettung is just rescue
testing: <red>This is a test</red><yellow>Wooo[#112233](/guild/289587909051416579/channel/112233/)hex!</#112233>
got start of red
got: This is a test
got end of red
got start of yellow
got: Wooo
got start of #112233
got: hex!
got end of #112233
new parser coming together now
vestal jasper
@viral hornet
mental meadow
does it parse with #123 as well
vernal moth
you mean #123 vs #112233?
vestal jasper
legacy, spigot legacy rgb, and featherboard rgb when
vestal jasper
oh nice
vernal moth
am going step by step, now that the lexer is done, ama add the logic
vestal jasper
I'm hyped to understand even less about how minimessage works
swift root
it's magic
vernal moth
the idea is that the code becomes more readable and extendable
vestal jasper
I can barely wrap my head around how the regex parser works
separate thought: then again lexers are dark magic
limpid comet
minimessage 
vestal jasper
dark magic.
limber knotBOT
I mean, better than the MineDown parser currently lol
vernal moth
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
testing: <hover:show_text:'<red>test'>TEST</hover>
got start of hover with params [Token[value=show_text, type=TokenType[name='STRING', value='']], Token[value=:, type=TokenType[name='PARAM_SEPARATOR', value=':']], Token[value=', type=TokenType[name='QUOTE_START', value=''']], Token[value=<red>test, type=TokenType[name='STRING', value='']], Token[value=', type=TokenType[name='QUOTE_END', value=''']]]
got: TEST
got end of hover
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
ha, that works too
vernal bone
Hello! I used windows remote deskrtop connection to connect and look thru a machine. The sysadmin was aware as the owner of the machine equested the lookthru. Can the syadmin pull my ip/do anything thru the connection while I'm connected to the server?
vernal moth
lemme fix the tostring on token type, lol
vernal moth
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
testing: <hover:show_text:'<red>test'>TEST</hover>
got start of hover with params [Token[value=show_text, type=STRING], Token[value=:, type=PARAM_SEPARATOR], Token[value=', type=QUOTE_START], Token[value=<red>test, type=STRING], Token[value=', type=QUOTE_END]]
got: TEST
got end of hover
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
thats more readbale
vernal bone
Okay, thanks!
limpid comet
@vernal moth, what improvements do you plan for rewriting minimessage?
is it purely performance?
cosmic raft
vernal moth
phoenix616 that blog post is smth for you
twin lagoon
from who lol @limpid comet
limpid comet
heady spear
didn't it like say so in the launcher
twin lagoon
ye
heady spear
for a while lol
twin lagoon
it was on reddit a few weekss ago
heady spear
hm I wanna get down below 15 servers
limpid comet
im in like 40 city
heady spear
I hate most of the people in the MC community so I wanna get rid of them
vernal moth
I don't even know when I first heard that there were actual palns
but its actually happening now
and really soon
heady spear
Paper provides utility so I can't yeet it... yet.
heady spear
Hm, might as well leave secret server because I'm not getting in anyway ๐ Then maybe uh... Tuinity? ๐
vernal moth
server will have to do exactly nothing
limpid comet
what happens to multimc
: (
i was so proud for not having a microsoft account for the longest time
cunning raft
new auth apis?
vernal moth
as all other custom launcher will
yes, most likely, I don't see how else this will work
but the session apis and everything stays the same
wide chasm
Ugh, have to create a Microsoft account
cunning raft
got it
vernal moth
might be expanded with more info tho
cunning raft
2FA tho!
vernal moth
thats not decided yet tho
cunning raft
bruh
upper flicker
participation award is the only way to get all the randoms who quit playing to come back and migrate
presumably thats why anyway
cunning raft
mfw the video they made is private
vernal moth
the post isn't really published yet
limpid comet
honestly this gets a 7 on my 1-10 cringe scale
i really don't like microsoft accounts
cunning raft
oh its out now
vernal moth
ppl knew the url and text beforehand, plus the date, so its easy to share ๐
cunning raft
NDA
vernal moth
oh its cashed the wrong url for me then
limpid comet
a fun announcement
vernal moth
its a good vid
cunning raft
does linux still use the old java/tumblr launcher?
if so i wonder if they're just gonna axe it
twin lagoon
linux has had the new one for ages
cunning raft
oh i didn't know
twin lagoon
so yeah no issues there
void void
OML
meager tusk
void void
free cape
meager tusk
Microsoft.
twin lagoon
idriz 
meager tusk
Microsoft account. Seriously?
void void
free cape 
upper flicker
they either rebuild the mojang account system to be not garbage
quasi valley
also, free capes
void void
Free cape!
vernal moth
it was the only way forward
twin lagoon
i'm not too big of a fan of microsoft accounts either but it is much more secure
upper flicker
or they leverage the ms account + xbox system that already exists and is better tested
cunning raft
yeah much better to use the already robust MS account system
vernal moth
the MSA system is really good, we use it at work for all our customers
quasi valley
I just dont want to the touch the xbox live crap
wide chasm
I'd rather have them go the route of fixing Mojang accounts tbh
vernal moth
this isnt xbl kenny, its MSA
upper flicker
and then people would bitch they werent working on new feature x instead
vernal moth
thats technically not the same
cunning raft
i doubt we'll see intrusive XBL shit in Java
upper flicker
the good news is the people who dont like it wont be around for very long xD
cunning raft
or rather hope
void void
When will they turn the 2FA option on?
cunning raft
MS Accounts have 2FA
meager tusk
the bad news is that this will confuse a shit ton of people who now have to sign up for microsoft accounts
twin lagoon
2fa is a microsoft account thing
meager tusk
cunning raft
not really
void void
I just want free cape 
upper flicker
migration flow is ezpz
cunning raft
you had to sign up for a Mojang account
cape isn't special if everyone has it Chivitos
left swift
U have a real mc account chivitos I thought u were a pirate
meager tusk
wide chasm
Minecraft 2021 won't be the cave update, but the cape update ๐
void void
wait cant I have cape on cracked account?
twin lagoon
oh my god
slim nymph
what do people have against ms accounts?
void void
jk lmao
twin lagoon
cunning raft
holy fuck
meager tusk
void void
slim nymph
its just an account
cunning raft
people hate le microsoft
meager tusk
Bedrock edition ms accounts also shove that xbox live stuff
cunning raft
for some reason
vernal moth
the bad news is that this will confuse a shit ton of people who now have to sign up for microsoft accounts
@meager tusk I can't comment on if I have seen the UI or not, but msft/mojang knows that they need to make it work in a way that childs and parents need to follow this
cunning raft
prob linux simps
slim nymph
yet play microsofts game on microsofts OS, pushing code on microsofts github. #logic
void void
I dont want free cape anymore :c
upper flicker
no indication there will be any integration with xbl
java edition devs actively dislike a bit of bedrock edition
so I wouldnt expect it to become that garbage pile... at least not overnight
meager tusk
I wonder what parity this will bring
upper flicker
zero
slim nymph
this is purely for auth
meager tusk
hm
cunning raft
nobody tell marketing and sales about the MS Account shit
granite salmon
i dont like it one bit
upper flicker
not like theyre gonna merge things and make you use a gamertag as a name or anything
granite salmon
it stinks
void void
meager tusk
just no xbl 
slim nymph
why does it stink @granite salmon
cunning raft
well mojang's infra has been famously bad so moving to a stable account service is good for stability
slim nymph
whats so bad about having an MS account called Mojang vs having an MS account called MS
vernal moth
I mean, session servers are still existing after this jroy ๐
cunning raft
yeah true Mini ๐
upper flicker
give them time, we can migrate that too
cunning raft
for better or for worse ๐
upper flicker
though if they run it like they've been running O365... might not be an improvement
more like O259 the last couple weeks
cunning raft
lul
vernal moth
I would be surprised if mojang doesnt use this opportunity to move their webservices to azure
upper flicker
we can only hope
twin lagoon
you can turn off the cape in client settings
vernal moth
and you need to equip it in your account
void void
Guys I found the discord hidden channel plugin ๐ญ
vernal moth
oh no, then you can read the secret channels in this discord
vernal moth
sounds bad
void void
ok
void void
How did PaperMC get its name?
limpid comet
@twin lagoon thanks
void void
I'm not Mrwhosethebossss
void void
O
limpid comet
that's not actually facts, i'm sure someone from the paper team can answer that better
void void
Shud i put it in #paper-help ?
dusk drift
void void
@twin lagoon Love the cats
twin lagoon
thx
void void
earnest swan
What do you guys think is the best current AntiCheat?
I am currently using paid Matrix, but the falses and bypasses are a bit annoying
void void
idk I use minehut ๐
earnest swan
lol
void void
so im stuck with the bad free ones
earnest swan
I was thinking Verus, but the support is so slow, I am happy to pay $200 for their ac, but they are taking years to reply to my ticket about how I buy it
earnest swan
lmao i guess
cunning raft
so why do you pretend to be him
earnest swan
anticheats
@vernal moth haxxer man go brrr
vernal moth
ban hammer go brrr
void void
I don't I just fann
earnest swan
lol
vernal moth
good staff > any anticheat
earnest swan
earnest swan
64/64 players, pretty sure staff can't handle that lol
void void
yea
earnest swan
how are we supposed to know who to go to?
vernal moth
ftfy
void void
u mean 70/64 players?
earnest swan
Verus is also packet based so less lag
vernal moth
I don't even knwo who mrwhosetheboss is, lol
earnest swan
u mean 70/64 players?
@void void 6 in queue
void void
yup
vernal moth
economics student
vernal moth
did you nick yourself back?
void void
yup
vernal moth
can you not?
vernal moth
well, if you don't like that I can also ban you, lol
mossy vessel
Ban the imposter
vernal moth
please read rule 5
cunning raft
well no
void void
O
cunning raft
but not someone elses identity
void void
O
cedar spade
wow
cunning raft
we won
left swift
cya i was hoping this server be better
Wat
left swift
Who
smoky python
I am curious how this will playout on old MC accounts with "OG" names
Like the ones that has not been logged into for years
vernal moth
if you don't migrate until day X, you can't play anymore
you are a support case then
cunning raft
day X 
vernal moth
have they announced a timeframe?
smoky python
nope
vernal moth
"in several months"
that should be a good indicator
this is smth that will happen fast
which is why they give the cape so OG players wake up
smoky python
They were talking about multiple capes
fossil cedar
I have several questions not covered by the Q&A ๐ฉ
vernal moth
I would assume multiple different capes
smoky python
Yeah
vernal moth
ppl be speculating it relates to account age
@fossil cedar shoot them, maybe somebody here can shed some light
fossil cedar
Can multiple mojang account be merged into one Microsoft account
smoky python
Prob not
fossil cedar
Eg: i have my main account and my dev account for testings
vernal moth
no
cunning raft
probably not unless they go the facebook route where they have one parent account which just logs in all your other accounts
waxen panther
science
vernal moth
launcher will allow to switch
waxen panther
๐งช
fossil cedar
Ok, it could have had multiple minecraft profiles
but ok
Another one
Does the switch to MSA mean websites will be allowed to use a "Login with Microsoft" option to link your Minecraft profile
ashen cliff
Time to make 6 more Microsoft accounts.
vernal moth
not initially most likely, but I bet mojang regonizes the demand for that
cunning raft
but in theory MS is gonna be sending just an oauth token back to mojang servers for session shit
depends if the oauth token is restricted
yet again i have no idea how their system will work so
mighty storm
oh are we talking about the MSA thing
cunning raft
take what i just said with a grain of salt
fossil cedar
Lol
cunning raft
mini would know more if he can talk about it
smoky python
Tbh, if it wasn't to stop people to sell Alt accounts etc they prob won't be doing this
vernal moth
Jroy they can't touch session server
minor badge
oh the post is up now?
mighty storm
I mean, Isn't just for signing in? Like you sign in, with MSA, to your Minecraft account
yes proxi
vernal moth
yes chew, its just for logging in
mighty storm
Yeah, so, that's really it
vernal moth
it has nothing to do with servers
mighty storm
I'm signing in, with my microsoft account, into ChewLeKitten, server sitll sees im logging in with whatever uuid that is
fossil cedar
If by some rainbow magic someone read my question and would improve the official Q&A it would be awesome ๐
mighty storm
official q&a?
vernal moth
there is no q&a yet
mighty storm
It would be very nice to "Sign in with microsoft" and get a minecraft scope
smoky python
Nah
Its a 5 step thing
Oh nvm
It actually is
2) Sign-in if you have a pre-existing MSA or sign-up with a new MSA if you donโt already have one
3) Set up your Xbox profile
4) Confirm the migration to MSA
5) Play the game using your MSA
if it is 1 mojang per msa that would be annoying
smoky python
It is ๐ฆ
mighty storm
when will this happen?
smoky python
In a few months
mighty storm
ah, fun fun
cunning raft
q1 2021 chew
smoky python
They better have a remember 2fa for ... days?
twin lagoon
proxi uwu
minor badge
uwu
cunning raft
in batches
smoky python
Imagine everytime you switch accounts you will have to fill in a 2fa
cunning raft
don't use 2fa if you don't want it nick ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
smoky python
Facts..
limpid comet
wait
minor badge
you dont need to own one to make an MSA
limpid comet
only one account
smoky python
But I want it I love 2FA
minor badge
yes bluely
cunning raft
you have 20 mojang accounts
twin lagoon
why do you have 20 accounts
smoky python
Time to make 20MSA
minor badge
mojang didn't have a say in the matter, blue
limpid comet
because i spent like 2 hours transferring everything over
i know :(
i have myEmail+mc1@whatever.com
mc1-20
vernal moth
xbox profile?
@unreal quarry more like your msft gaming profile, they call pc gaming xbox too, which makes no sense
minor badge
just do the same for MSAs then
olive marlin
Wait, didn't they do it already a few years back? Or was it something different?
smoky python
Most people use alt accounts for unbans or load chunks
vernal moth
that was towards mojang accounts
fossil cedar
xbox is the ms gaming ecosystem
unreal quarry
@unreal quarry more like your msft gaming profile, they call pc gaming xbox too, which makes no sense
gross
olive marlin
Oh, right.
unreal quarry
well, i have an MSA already, been using it since 2001-ish via hotmail lol
its migrated over the years into this MSA crap
so i should be good
smoky python
Tbh, they did a great job this time
vernal moth
because they involved the community really early
smoky python
Proud of whoever did it @ Minecraft
smoky python
Yeah must be
Will also generate them some money of all those people that stole accounts but actually need one
Deserved tbh
unreal quarry
yeah, i'm gonna like this, tbh. been wanting 2fa on my account for years now
smoky python
Been waiting for it for too long that I don't even play it anymore ๐คทโโ๏ธ
vernal moth
sign up on our forums with your mc account?
ashen cliff
I'm interested in what actually prompted the change.
ashen cliff
Also true.
vernal moth
how would money be the factor? this costs tons of money to setup and run
ashen cliff
Money and people... this is Mojang.
smoky python
I mean.. I've said it before... If you know how those servers work, you will need lots of alts
I think Mojang also saw that
And alt shops have been a thing for years
The 2FA + Cape is literally gonna stop them
ashen cliff
Nah.
fossil cedar
Hope it breaks this buisness
ashen cliff
People sell Microsoft and Xbox accounts daily.
vernal moth
I wouldn't be too optimistic
ashen cliff
Slow down, yes. Stop, no.
smoky python
@ashen cliff You will still have to pay for minecraft
vernal moth
it will raise the prices most likely
warm anchor
Alt shop is bad
limber knotBOT
what's going on
warm anchor
limber knotBOT
2fa for Minecraft?
ashen cliff
Yes*.
mighty storm
MSA
olive marlin
Microsoft accounts.
limber knotBOT
that's fine
warm anchor
Wait can we enable it now?
smoky python
Nope
minor badge
not yet
warm anchor
Oh planned I see
olive marlin
Q1 2020
smoky python
They prob want to hear the public before implementing it
mighty storm
people keep saying 2fa, but it's just a microsoft account (which has 2fa support)
warm anchor
Thatโs pasted already you mean 2021?
limber knotBOT
ever since... was it me4502 who got his account temporarily stolen with a session token?... I've been more concerned
ashen cliff
Good old 1.4.x.
fossil cedar
I really like the video they made
warm anchor
I mean no 2FA in this time and age is stupid.
vernal moth
You never had to pay to play the game.
@ashen cliff well, if you wanna play on online servers you have to
ashen cliff
Servers that stole session tokens.
Yes.*
You can still play singleplayer or demo mode.
limber knotBOT
no his session token was from his client, and the only way to invalidate was to sign out from that client
smoky python
You will really have to make an advanced system to sell MSA accounts with 2FA
What is not worth the money (You make from MC alts)
ashen cliff
Why would they sell accounts that have 2FA?
warm anchor
I mean thereโs client specialize for those alt shop that sell account and revoke later
vernal moth
not sure when the timeline was when you could actually create a new mc account using msa
its pretty soon
then we can try it out
ashen cliff
They just have to migrate the current accounts or better yet leave them alone, since Mojang is going to provide a system to migrate.
fossil cedar
this fall
ashen cliff
You can still use usernames to login, if you want.
fossil cedar
So it should be very soon
limber knotBOT
we all had to migrate to a Mojang account a while ago
well, unless I guess if you didn't do a name change?
fossil cedar
It was not mandatory
deep vigil
Will inactive account usernames be available if they don't migrate?
ashen cliff
AFAIK my friend is still playing Hypixel to this day without a migrated account.
smoky python
What if I donโt want to migrate my Mojang account to a Microsoft account?
A: In order to continue playing Minecraft: Java Edition, youโll need to migrate your account.
fossil cedar
Yeah i know many friends with legacyยฒ account
ashen cliff
So, they will still provide a way to migrate.
smoky python
Tom tell them to migrate ๐คทโโ๏ธ
ashen cliff
And that's my point. Alt shops will just sell as normal and make you [the buyer] migrate them.
Legacy hell.
fossil cedar
You have a limited period of time to migrate
smoky python
Now just to be clear, migrating from Mojang to Microsoft accounts is mandatory. If you donโt make the move, in several months you wonโt be able to log in anymore โ which means you wonโt be able to play either.
fossil cedar
After this period you should go with support
ashen cliff
Login.
warm anchor
Mojang removing liability
smoky python
you wonโt be able to log in anymore
warm anchor
Growing pain tbh
ashen cliff
Can't stop the legacy train.
smoky python
Legacy train more like unsecure accounts
ashen cliff
Unsecure = easy to sell.
warm anchor
Although Minecraft dungeon login is pretty annoying
mighty storm
can you even log into the legacy legacy accounts anymore
ashen cliff
Yet.
mighty storm
but wouldnt that force you to migrate
fossil cedar
No you lie, was mojang migration 2012 ???
cunning raft
they will probably force even old legacy accounts to migrate
well they will
im pretty sure thats set in stone
you'll need a microsoft account to login period
smoky python
They really did a great job
fossil cedar
I feel old now
warm anchor
Whatโs next requiring an Xbox purchase log in
smoky python
Majority: Want cape
Owners/developers: Want security on accounts
Legecy accounts: Bye
Just what we need
Imagine 2fa means a free custom cape
ashen cliff
Good for hackers in that case.
warm anchor
Do they sell it on bedrock yet?
smoky python
sell?
ashen cliff
Since you are yelling out I have 2FA.
mighty storm
i have 2 capes on bedrock idek how lol
fossil cedar
We will have experienced 2 migration waves
cunning raft
mojang isn't adding custom capes
smoky python
All those mods will suffer from it
cunning raft
they'd have to moderate it
ashen cliff
Soonโข๏ธ: https://posili.me/i/2020-10-21_20-39-39.png
cunning raft
it's not happening
smoky python
Facts
limber knotBOT
if we can do our own skin why would capes be different
warm anchor
^
smoky python
And thats also a fact
ashen cliff
INB4 everyone remakes the original cape.
smoky python
I will be the one not doing it lmaoo
mighty storm
oh i forgot you can sign in to msa with github
smoky python
But if they do it, it would be so bad for those big mods
they relay most on capes
As they've said when MC added a TOS change that forbidden them for selling any kind of capes
Even tho Mc ain't enforcing the TOS so those mods are not removing capes
warm anchor
I mean thatโs a pretty reasonable tos
To stop someone making money off your software
ashen cliff
Well, yes but no.
mighty storm
wtf
ashen cliff
Or anything made by Microsoft.
limber knotBOT
ya they got lazy too. Too many lazy web devs. Chromium is not a web standard.
vernal moth
The new edge is nice
smoky python
My browser like Ram
warm anchor
I hate it that every time I open edge. It pins itself to task bar
smoky python
It eats it 24/7
warm anchor
ashen cliff
Switch to Linux.
fossil cedar
Do you think the login modal will open in the main browser (like Epic Games Launcher) or within the launcher ?
limber knotBOT
nowadays you really do need a $1000 facebook machine to browse the web
smoky python
Same launcher
warm anchor
Lol
fossil cedar
Would be logic on windows and may be a thing
ashen cliff
Debugging that was not fun. Since I had Xbox services uninstalled, I couldn't play Bedrock edition.
fossil cedar
Windows has builtin "MS login" things
smoky python
I am really curious how web browsers work like in a whole.. You see those games that have all kind of effects and HD etc etc... And then you have a simple html page with css and some JS that will literally use all the ram you have available
limber knotBOT
some JS
that's the problem
anyways heard that nano adblock is a compromised extension for chrome users
I was already hesitant towards extensions, now I really am hesitant... which isn't good because Chromium Edge doesn't have all the features that original Edge has, and that one lacked some of the IE features
IE had tracking protection that was automatic (can use lists too that can be updated) and blocked ads. The tracking protection included in Chromium Edge doesn't stop ads too it seems.
and I don't really wanna rely on extensions to fill this void given that...
vernal moth
Nano adblock wasn't compromised
It's a fork of unlock, that did nearly no changes, got a bunch of users and then got sold by the dev
That scheme happens really often and which is why you should only use reputable open source add-ons which an established community
limber knotBOT
yea and just like that can take session cookies
warm anchor
That has always been the issue with plugins being sold and add on codes
slim nymph
well it is still a form of compromised, it just a sell vs hack
vernal moth
Well ye
limber knotBOT
my question is why tracking protection can't be extended to blocking ads other than google's obvious business
warm anchor
There were a few Firefox weather plugins done the same thing. Get big > sold > turn into Spyware 
limber knotBOT
also why can't I block all videos from autoplayingโฆ The "limit" option doesn't do enough
old Edge had that option :/
slim nymph
yeah i had a firefox addon on mobile to stop it but the new update breaking addons boned that
since i pay for data, autoplaying videos is bad ๐ฆ
vernal moth
Don't browsers already ban auto playing stuff?
slim nymph
nope
vernal moth
Or was that audio only?
slim nymph
yeah audio