the API is very nice, and the way they're using mixins is very hot
#general
heady spear
rather than having dumb wrapper classes for the nms shit, you can use the nms shit directly
casting a nms CommandSource to a sponge CommandCause <33
lean kiln
sounds epic
selectors should be ez on fabrric too
and other nms args
nbt parsing
lool
lean kiln
uh oh
worn ember
@heady spear daily reminder that ur poop
potent fossil
if he's poop then ur bile
poop is objectively better
but notice, lads
THEY'RE BOTH SHIT
worn ember
simp on a hairtrigger as always lol 
potent fossil
twin lagoon
worn ember
http://haste.athion.net/puzujocowu.shell idk how people always manage to break my plugin, altough this seems like an issue with paper versions
dum dum people
potent fossil
yea, the stupid fuk downgraded paper
which im pretty sure there is something written somewhere
THAT SAYS NOT TO DO THAT
worn ember
i've even switched between 1.16, 1.12, 1.15.x and never even seen that error lol
potent fossil
lean kiln
it was added in the 1.15 or 1.16 cycle
the check
but idk how you would load a 1.16 world in 1.12 without lots of problems
quasi valley
without problems is quite the understatement there 
worn ember
i mean, idrc, its just a test world
just ignore the errors and they might go away 
i wish modding rimworld was as easy as making mc pluings 
well at least C# has extention methods
olive garden
hello are you @potent warren
worn ember
no thanks
potent fossil
Epic. Just reinstall Grub.
@ashen cliff any idea how i can do that when i only have a rescue system? vkvm works, but when i try to boot it dies. I can get into rescue and mount original system, but can't install there
lets try it
potent fossil
yea
twin lagoon
update-grub just updates the current grub installation
ashen cliff
That should work.
potent fossil
yea i actually just fucked my system by killing it during an update
so im in and just rerunning dpkg
:')
ashen cliff
Since you chroot the actual system.
void void
U can bypass rescue system i believe by just booting windows boot manager if u have win 10 in bios
void void
Yeah so its best to mount system and chroot then re install grub
ashen cliff
You can just ask for KVM access and go into the bios, OC the system, set the fans to 100% and run.
potent fossil
thanks. that's what im doing already
(@ gru)
lmao
ok well, efi dir apparently doesnt exist
maybe i need to mount it differently
twin lagoon
there is a chance it's not uefi installed
potent fossil
well i mean
/boot/efi is there
and when i try to reinstall grub it complains that grub-install failed
and it's the grub efi package
void void
Yes
young terrace
no
potent fossil
yeah i did....it says it's not an efi partition lmfao.
hence why i said maybe i need to mount it differently
potent fossil
@twin lagoon fix system for me
viral hornet
michael is best 🥺
void void
U can also mount efi if it has not already
potent fossil
my guy
young terrace
Use ls
@void void ?
void void
Whats confusing about ls
young terrace
what’s even going on? are you still trying to fix the same problem from earlier?
what’s confusing is how you’re trying to use it in this context
it’s not going to help him?
potent fossil
idk what ls was supposed to do for me
limpid comet
bro, ls solves all problems
potent fossil
but yes same problem
limpid comet
first thing they teach you in school
void void
twin lagoon
what is grub-install complaining about
young terrace
what’s the problem
void void
Ok
potent fossil
@twin lagoon https://hastebin.com/yuholiqugu.sql
void void
Gl hf
ashen cliff
Well. You didn't provide it a path.
potent fossil
seriously what is ls supposed to do https://owo.whats-th.is/8cu9rRC.png
twin lagoon
yeah just provide it a path
potent fossil
yes i used --efi-directory and it told me 'not a valid efi directory'
potent fossil
root@rescue / # grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory /boot/efi/EFI
Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
grub-install: error: /boot/efi/EFI doesn't look like an EFI partition.
root@rescue / # grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory /boot/efi
Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
grub-install: error: /boot/efi doesn't look like an EFI partition.
fdisk -l
grub-install --target=x86_64-efi /dev/<whateverpartition your efi partition is on>
potent fossil
bunch of ramdisks and then https://hastebin.com/ehepaxebuy.yaml
potent fossil
root@rescue / # grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory /dev/md1
Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `udev'.
What’s the efi partition FS
potent fossil
im chrooted doe
twin lagoon
no
potent fossil
should i get out
twin lagoon
remove --efi-directory
worn pasture
Driver roll up the partition please
twin lagoon
turbo 
potent fossil
root@rescue / # grub-install --target=x86_64-efi /dev/md1
Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
plz god
worn pasture
twin lagoon
potent fossil
should i be outside of chroot for this, no right
ashen cliff
Can you try without the --target part?
Also it should refuse to install on md by default.
void void
When i do fdisk -l it actually shows that its an efi parition
potent fossil
root@rescue / # grub-install /dev/md1
Installing for i386-pc platform.
grub-install: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding.
grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
grub-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists.
kek
its software RAID gru
ashen cliff
Install it on each disk directly. Simple enough.
potent fossil
u wot
potent fossil
ashen cliff
That's what I did then Debian broke it.
potent fossil
root@rescue / # grub-install --target=x86_64-efi /dev/sdb2
Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
mercy el risitas
ashen cliff
Get rid of the target part.
potent fossil
aight
root@rescue / # grub-install /dev/sda2
Installing for i386-pc platform.
grub-install: error: unable to identify a filesystem in hostdisk//dev/sda; safety check can't be performed.
root@rescue / # grub-install /dev/sdb2
Installing for i386-pc platform.
grub-install: error: unable to identify a filesystem in hostdisk//dev/sdb; safety check can't be performed.
root@rescue / #
what file system is the partition you’re trying to install it on
when you were getting “cannot find valid efi partition”
ashen cliff
Run lsblk and give us the output.
potent fossil
idk the fs m8
twin lagoon
lsblk
young terrace
well it has to be fat32 iirc?
potent fossil
root@rescue / # lsblk
NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
loop0 7:0 0 4G 1 loop
sda 8:0 0 1.8T 0 disk
├─sda1 8:1 0 16G 0 part
│ └─md0 9:0 0 16G 0 raid1
├─sda2 8:2 0 512M 0 part
│ └─md1 9:1 0 511M 0 raid1 /boot
└─sda3 8:3 0 1.8T 0 part
└─md2 9:2 0 1.8T 0 raid1 /
sdb 8:16 0 1.8T 0 disk
├─sdb1 8:17 0 16G 0 part
│ └─md0 9:0 0 16G 0 raid1
├─sdb2 8:18 0 512M 0 part
│ └─md1 9:1 0 511M 0 raid1 /boot
└─sdb3 8:19 0 1.8T 0 part
└─md2 9:2 0 1.8T 0 raid1 /
grub-install /dev/sda
grub-install /dev/sdb
potent fossil
that worked, but like?
potent fossil
dpkg still wont finish because it's forcing the efi version
young terrace
k nvm
humble falcon
wow installing arch linux
ashen cliff
Did you ever doubt me?
potent fossil
yes
void void
what fixed it lol
humble falcon
grub-install /dev/sda
grub-install /dev/sdb
most likely
potent fossil
ok but for some reason its still mad about grub efi version
when trying to apt upgrade
should i uninstall it 
potent fossil
i ran the purge command but it didnt do shit
humble falcon
when trying to
apt upgrade
can't you hold the package lol
potent fossil
yes but that doesnt solve the issue
humble falcon
doesn't holding prevent the thing from wanting to update so much
potent fossil
but...that's not the problem
humble falcon
oh ok
potent fossil
the problem is it worked before, i did something bad, system got fucked, booted to rescue, reinstalled non-efi grub, it booted, but now it's mad because it cant install the efi grub for some reason
ashen cliff
Have fun.
potent fossil
plz
void void
on arch it says to use this ```# grub-install --target=i386-pc --debug /dev/sda
grub-install --target=i386-pc --debug /dev/sdb```
lol
potent fossil
i wonder what'll happen if i do this https://askubuntu.com/a/1111870/203826
twin lagoon
that's what he just did
void void
did u use --target=i386-pc
potent fossil
that's the default....
twin lagoon
it defaults to i386-pc
void void
k
potent fossil
ok i did that and successfully installed the problem package
and now it wont boot again 
lets do it again this time with feeling
oh shit it booted 
ok now docker is trying to start everything at one fucking time
ashen cliff
Working as expected™️.
potent fossil
thanks krusic ill suck ur dick as payment
@twin lagoon forgot i had k3s installed because of you
twin lagoon
k3s
young terrace
what time is it in germany
twin lagoon
1247
potent fossil
.wa what time is it in germany
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: 12:47:44 pm CEST | Friday, October 16, 2020 - https://is.gd/ak3hcc
young terrace
soon
potent fossil
what's soon
vernal moth
Soon what?
limpid comet
potent fossil
everything is ok 
limpid comet
:partyparrot:
void void
potent fossil
so anyway @twin lagoon cf access charges now?
potent fossil
i got a bill anyway
twin lagoon
potent fossil
void void
hamachi
mossy vessel
Are you more than 5 users?
twin lagoon
Cloudflare Access
Extend Zero Trust access to corporate and SaaS applications. Free for up to 50 users.
oh cool
50 users now
potent fossil
no im 1 user nmf
mossy vessel
Ah ok, just making sure 👍
potent fossil
well ok im not even sure if it's for access
it was for something but they dont seem to provide itemized receipts
oh shit
it was a domain
they renewed it for me, but i have autorenew off 
ok nvm it was a different domain anyway ill be quiet now
limpid comet
young terrace
not even the right way to use the joke
great I need to call netcup myself
apparently my phone number was incorrect
They are charging me 70 eur
what the hell
potent fossil
for?
young terrace
an 11 eur vps
potent fossil
tf
potent fossil
they'll get that 70 eur no matter the cost 
young terrace
oh they charge 6/12 month durations for VPS
matter of fact I do recall having a dedi with them last time I used them
I’m just gonna go with scaleway despite them having ddr3
ashen cliff
🤔 They do have EPYC instances.
young terrace
scaleway?
worn ember
visual egret
how would i go around adding the worldedit api to my plugin?
assuming i have to use this: https://worldedit.enginehub.org/en/latest/api/
potent fossil
that would be correct, that has all the instructions you need
limpid comet
visual egret
im not very good ad java
potent fossil
it requires reading and understanding, it doesnt just give you copy paste
visual egret
yeah... im not very good at it
visual egret
what id do i put in for the repo tho
limpid comet
yeh vouch for that
visual egret
oh
worn ember
here's an example, its not on latest i think
visual egret
@worn ember thanks
cunning raft
yeah worldedit's got an impl for everything pretty much
their core codebase is abstracted so pretty easy to write compatibility layers
worn ember
Bloch would be proud
zealous knot
Who
visual egret
well it compiles... yay!
zealous knot
Oh hell yeah its maven
mossy vessel
imagine not having copy pastable pom examples
ez, I just provide kotlin examples to copy/paste
limpid comet
you monster
zealous knot
Only normal functional members of society use maven
visual egret
gradle is ouch
zealous knot
Gradle is a bruh moment
visual egret
one of the reasons i hate android studio
zealous knot
limpid comet
gradle scares me :(
mossy vessel
Maven scares me
visual egret
now how would i go around using //fill snow_block 20 using the API
zealous knot
Well nmf is not s member of society so it checks out
mossy vessel
Yeah
visual egret
wow the documentation is really vauge
potent fossil
no it just expects you to know how to write java
if you don't know it you should not be writing plugins, period
potent fossil
WE API is not an API to learn on
cunning raft
true lmao
potent fossil
That's like deciding to drive a motorcycle before you know how to write a bike
limpid comet
yeah from my limited experience you need to know what you're doing
potent fossil
ride
cunning raft
just use skript
zealous knot
Well evident by the amount of garbage on spigot i think people still write java without know it lol
cunning raft
mossy vessel
The documentation of the WE API is very well. It tells you pretty clear how to do stuff xy way, however if you don't know what are you doing/how you should do stuff, it wont help you a lot.
potent fossil
Reading that doc, it's really in depth actually. Code snippets aren't everything and if you can't write or try to read it without them then idk what to tell you
mossy vessel
Imagine using code snippets
potent fossil
im a mod in this programming discord and i swear to god
every single one of the newbs in there is like
'i cant find a tutorial for x'
mossy vessel
People like being spoon fed
visual egret
me who only does java for my server and has no intention of ever using it for anything else
potent fossil
thats really not an excuse
if it's for your server you think you'd care enough to learn it properly so you don't fuck the shit out of your server
but, hey, maybe not. he just wanna play the noob card and uwu not my fault im a noob
so, whatever
mossy vessel
Literally me 6 years ago and nowadays I don't wanna do stuff without anymore
potent fossil
NMF is cute
visual egret
but, hey, maybe not. he just wanna play the noob card and uwu not my fault im a noob
@potent fossil the ultimate excuse:im 13 years old just leave me alone
mossy vessel
ik simple 🥺
potent fossil
wow wtf call me cute back
mossy vessel
you're cute as well :3
potent fossil
heady spear
lol well
limpid comet
how wholesome
zealous knot
heady spear
ur both dumb so
zealous knot
Thats fresh coming from you city
heady spear
I'm quite smart ngl
mossy vessel
🍋
zealous knot
visual egret
people who use mechanical keyboards:
potent fossil
didnt yall know city is the physical and emotional embodiment of https://reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/
zealous knot
City looks like my middle school bully
heady spear
lel simple the irony
viral hornet
humble falcon
best api in the world, only topped by the best cat in the world aka rory
wow this is a really cool api https://rory.cat/purr
@visual egret
zealous knot
Oh no more election memes, i wanna die
heady spear
but also
heady spear
When I think freely I tend to shatter reality.
omg same tho
zealous knot
YOU PUNG ME
viral hornet
I PUNG U
visual egret
the council will now decide your fate @viral hornet
viral hornet
In my honest defence, I have had a fair bit of gin
I hope the council takes that into consideration
humble falcon
Wouldn’t ping in past tense be pong
visual egret
pinged?
viral hornet
You pong
potent fossil
pung
viral hornet
heady spear
the past participle of ring is rung, so I'd say pung makes sense 👀
potent fossil
yeah i wasnt joking
heady spear
and the past tense should be pang :3
worn ember
how does one get out of the git thing?
potent fossil
q
worn ember
mfw i spam ctrl+q
heady spear
"more efficient", "recursive" uh
potent fossil
yes here's a sample convo with ring:
"you rang?"
"i rung you hours ago"
so with ping:
"you pang?"
"i pung you hours ago"
mossy vessel
Same how you quit vim or any other sane text editor smh
potent fossil
worn ember
no thats ctrl+q
humble falcon
Same how you quit vim or any other sane text editor smh
@mossy vessel nano
mossy vessel
nano is
worn ember
recursive is very efficient u dum dum, its the same code, just more 
heady spear
I would have pung you, had I not known that you'd behave like wiz :3
recursion b big bad
worn ember
dont talk to me or my recursion ever again
heady spear
bruh subroutine jumbs b slöw
that's why we should write all programs in one big chonkers function
visual egret
spam ctrl+c, space or enter
wide chasm
I like big chonkers functions
heady spear
but also you need plan ahead so you can use registers instead of the stack because memory access be slöw
worn ember
so i check out an older commit, and now it made that a commit that reverts the commits before that one, how do i go back to the latest commit from remote?
wide chasm
Registers are easier to work with imo, so I'd opt for using those also
young terrace
the same guy answered me 3 times lol
wide chasm
Where possible, of course
mossy vessel
git reset --hard o/l
heady spear
@mossy vessel 🍆 ⬅️ ➡️ 🍑
mossy vessel
You'll need to reset it hard in order to delete stuff lol
worn ember
i did
mossy vessel
Dunno, I don't use IJ's vcs
worn ember
i used the cli lol
mossy vessel
iykyk
worn ember
heady spear
wait am confused ill send pic
mossy vessel
git reset --hard HEAD~<go back amount>
heady spear
lol ded be dum
worn ember
cant i just pull from remote branch or something and override local changes?
its a local commit
worn ember
all i did was git checkout <commit>
heady spear
nmf am lonely
visual egret
im self isolating because my dad has 3 symptoms :/
its kinda sad
because all my friends are at school
and i have nothing to do
mossy vessel
Your country kills people
visual egret
welcome to the UK
visual egret
bruh
worn ember
its the perfect plan
visual egret
i mean
mossy vessel
City, you are always welcome 👀
visual egret
i can just wait 3 hours
visual egret
i think im halfway through the WE code
worn ember
i went to college this week, next week is from home tho
@mossy vessel nty
mossy vessel
😂
visual egret
bruh i just tried typing Exception instead of catch because python > java
mossy vessel
Thx I'll pass
heady spear
Python and Java are both great languages in their own right
stop being dumb all of u
cunning raft
city 
visual egret
Python and Java are both great languages in their own right
@heady spear i mean yeah you are right
that was my peference
also c# ftw
visual egret
just like python
heady spear
cython :]
heady spear
cython and jython 😄
visual egret
its... interesting
heady spear
Also uh python has native bindings for when it needs to be quicc
cunning raft
python is a runtime parsed language so it automatically suxs
visual egret
the thing you can probably get killed over tho: unity vs unreal
i prefer unity, but only because C++ hurts me internally
heady spear
Unreal has better licensing. Worse tooling support (except for UE itself bcuz <3) and it's harder to learn for most people. It's arguably the better platform though, if you manage to be productive with it :]
visual egret
^ correct
visual egret
why must you hurt me this way
cyan nova
the thing you can probably get killed over tho: unity vs unreal
ah unity, spent 3 months creating a GI system only for them to add one in the next release
visual egret
one thing i do like about unity: new platform? support is there
i swear unity was one of the first to add iOS support
also, XR is the best
WAIT A SECOND
I FORGOT THE ULTIMATE ENGINE
SOURCE 2
cyan nova
cryengine had the best folliage/vegetation back in the day. Haven't touched game dev in years though so not sure if that's still the case
void void
i cant wait to play the sus game
vestal jasper
I'm a netimerse kinda guy
Gamebryo looks tempting but I don't need anything new or fancy
Don't get me started on creation engine
austere ivy
I really like Godot for 2D games
(it’s technically a 3D game engine first but really you’d be better served developing 3D games on Unity or something)
slim nymph
i want to build a 2d game in phaser
finished the boys s2 last night. man that season was a twist
visual egret
its on amazon prime, right?
slim nymph
yeah
slim nymph
its nothing like marvel superhero shit lol
mossy vessel
Oh is S2 out now fully?
slim nymph
yep
slim nymph
oh i thought amazon binge releases?
well im fairly sure that last episode was the season finale lol, would be weird if it wasnt 😛
slim nymph
i do too, i just didnt think amazon slow released
mossy vessel
Only the first 3 episodes were released at the same day, then one per week
visual egret
i have to upload all of the attachemts to google drive to even see them properly
visual egret
ouch
humble falcon
i don't care color has less letters than colour lmao
limpid comet
if I set column defaults in pgsql, select * queries will return these defaults if a field is null yeah?
oh
it's when the row is created
dapper nacelle
minecraft 1.16.4 changing network protocols?
could that lead to via version dying
fallen oracle
Morning friends.
pulsar wigeon
subtract bit (1 << 30)
cunning raft
oh
cunning raft
ah
vernal moth
That way, it's now possibleto have releases that don't have protocol bumps
cunning raft
i see
pulsar wigeon
snapshots get bumped but major versions which are protocol compatible can stay the same
cunning raft
interesting
pulsar wigeon
well, minor versions really.
twin lagoon
ignore
young terrace
what did i just miss
cunning raft
racist
young terrace
kek
mossy vessel
Imagine accepting friend requests
slim nymph
@vernal moth well we didnt ask for the bit, we asked them to just stop changing the damn thing when the protocol was the same lol. but they i guess wnated to distinguish snapshot clients. but honestly they shouldnt do that either, let snapshot clients connect to 1.16.3 servers when protocol is still the same
dapper nacelle
why cant mojang just make changes that would break via-version
slim nymph
can you rephrase that in english
worn ember
Yes
dapper nacelle
me?
dapper nacelle
I am saying there is no point in viaversion
slim nymph
? yes there is lol
dapper nacelle
you might as well join with an outdated client
mossy vessel
warm anchor
I am also confused the more I read his message lol
mossy vessel
Looks like someone didn't understand the protocol change
worn ember
What is love. Baby don't hurt me
dusk drift
dapper nacelle
doesnt changing the protocol change the packets?
slim nymph
yes, a one time break to stop future unnecessary breaks
cunning raft
aikar re protocol changes
i think its useful to know what the client version is
they could have made two different version numbers
protocol and version
the bit works for that effect ig
they'd have to change the ping and handshake protocol tho which doesn't sound fun
cunning raft
if you subscribe to them
cunning raft
commenting auto-subscribes you
there are settings to tweak all that
triage+ also auto-subscribes you to everything
limpid comet
my account is relatively new and i haven't tweaked settings, and even though i'm subscribed to a good amount of things that receive comments, i've never had a notification for any of them
i get emails
but i mean this little bell
limpid comet
<3
limber knotBOT
be glad bluely: https://i.moep.tv/fK31pdIm.png
slim nymph
yep
limpid comet
cool, thanks aikar
slim nymph
and uncheck email if you dont even look at them by email lol
limpid comet
that was the only way i was getting my notifications
and i barely ever check my email
slim nymph
ah
limpid comet
i had no clue tux was commenting on my doc pr lol
limber knotBOT
I only look at the emails so the website notifications are a bit meh for me lol
slim nymph
email is a double edged sword, you know about the things people edit/remove later, but on spam attacks, they are still there even after github is cleaned up
worn ember
i get so many emails i dont even bother looking at them
limber knotBOT
they just sometimes help me to remind me of stuff I only glanced at in the email though
limpid comet
yeah, i have a new email that i specifically use for relevant things
and one which is my dumpster
slim nymph
using gmails category system, helps separate stuff, all my github notifs go under Forums tab
limber knotBOT
I just filter stuff and apply labels/folders
slim nymph
if you use categories, forums is off by default, gotta turn it on
limber knotBOT
but I have a no-unread-email policy anyways ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (maybe that's why I forget about some lol)
worn ember
limber knotBOT
I don't use their categories
slim nymph
yeah i get too much automated emails to have a "no unread" policy
limber knotBOT
I auto-read automated shit that isn't worth the read and remove it from my inbox lol
worn ember
10gb on emails, oops
limpid comet
limber knotBOT
e.g. mailinglists
limpid comet
how do i see my gb usage
limber knotBOT
or cronjobs
worn ember
bottom
limber knotBOT
"1.22 GB (8%) of 15 GB used" 👀
heady spear
@mental meadow uwu
slim nymph
are you gmail beta too @limpid comet ?
doesnt beta users get more space than new accounts
or phoenix
or is everyone 15GB now
limber knotBOT
pretty sure it's everyone
worn ember
everyone has 15gb
nocturne falcon
everyone is 15gb
limpid comet
ah
limber knotBOT
I mean it's for every google cloud storage and not just mail anymore anyways
slim nymph
i meant when gmail first came out
formal turret
i've got 15
slim nymph
i got gmail when it was beta lol. what was that 15 years ago?
nocturne falcon
16 i think, 2004 right?
limpid comet
yeah i didn't have gmail back then
slim nymph
man those were the wild times of the internet.
cunning raft
i was 6 i think when gmail was launched lmao
i remember hearing something about it on the tv
nocturne falcon
i was 3 lmao
limber knotBOT
I feel old
slim nymph
WoW/FFXI, Chromeless web browser popups, opening CD Trays with fake pictures using VBScript, MS Zone, MSN Messenger, ICQ
IRC being even more used
void void
slim nymph
java was a thing then lol
cunning raft
people who write java ain't jvm hipsters
slim nymph
oh i thought you was saying the entire jvm was hipster stuff
meager tusk
i dislike kotlin runs
sly ruin
yes
meager tusk
do people still call it raku i thought it was just called perl
worn ember
cuz perl is dum
meager tusk
i remember reading about it but i guess i remember it the other way around
sly ruin
I don't know. Perl 6 was actually searchable. If you search for Raku you get results about ceramics and stuff.
cunning raft
perl is better than kotlin in practice because there are no diehard perl fans who tell you their language is better
slim nymph
they renamed the entire language?
i dunno jroy ive heard some "I can do everything in perl" people, but it is a super rare breed of people who actually enjoy perl and can develop it without throwing up
only time i touched perl was modifying Idle RPG bot for IRC, and it was so painful
cunning raft
yeah there are some people but not nearly as toxic as kotlin fanboys you have to admit
slim nymph
eggdrop scripts were perl
limber knotBOT
irssi scripts are perl <3
slim nymph
oh ive done some perl for that then too, i know i touched some irssi scripts
i use to be hardcore irssi
sly ruin
TL;DR Perl 6 isn't really that much like Perl, so they renamed it
Perl 7 is more similar to 5 than 6
sly ruin
yeah I hate the name
slim nymph
but i stopped using irssi once I found quassel
limber knotBOT
"In Perl 6, we decided it would be better to fix the language than fix the user." doesn't sound much like perl anyways
runs
mighty storm
once you collect the all the triage, you must fight the final boss
cunning raft
just close all issues and you'll be able to manage them one by one when they get reopened
ez pz
mighty storm
big brain
limber knotBOT
god I hate repo managers that do that lol
meager tusk
by god he's figured it out
limber knotBOT
"yeah, wi didn't have a solution in the last 3 years so I'm just going to close all of those"
meager tusk
just like decrementing the thread sleep amount every version to make people think you're speeding up your software 
slim nymph
oh if anyone uses "Nano Defender" chrome extension, uninstall the shit. got sold to a third party whos added spyware
meager tusk
What was it supposed to do?
stiff yarrow
oh if anyone uses "Nano Defender" chrome extension, uninstall the shit. got sold to a third party whos added spyware
@slim nymph I use Firefox lately and it seems pretty nice, they have been focusing on user privacy ( including data collection ) stuff lately
mighty storm
I booted up vivladi after a few months on my laptop turns out the AutoRefresher extension I had was malware, opened up like 15 porn tabs before it synced from the server that it was malware lmao
slim nymph
my wife got a fun lessen on when addons go rogue yesterday, went upstairs for her to show me something, she clicks a link in hangouts which opens chrome which she never uses (she uses firefox), and we get a face full of Tinder and boobs
mighty storm
then it had the audacity to say "sorry to see u go! want 50% off premium?"
slim nymph
some "Auto Refresh" addon went malware earlier this year too
mighty storm
yeah probably the one i had*
stiff yarrow
I only have chrome installed to rarely Chromecast on my PC
meager tusk
Oh my god same 
slim nymph
oh lmao i was typing my msg didnt see yours chew
meager tusk
I feel bad tho i believe firefox is cutting down on people working on it too
slim nymph
yeah FF is dying, its down to like 2-5% usage share 😭
limber knotBOT
mighty storm
yee just giving firsthand experience, it sucked lol
limber knotBOT
for the official thread on the discontinuation of the nano project
meager tusk
Firefox is so good too 
mighty storm
i dont have a "lot" of extensions
slim nymph
twin lagoon
idriz 
mighty storm
Just 15 looks like
meager tusk
Michelle 
slim nymph
this article says the chrome store added a malware .js file that isnt in the github repo
stiff yarrow
Firefox works well and it doesn’t bother me if no ones using it 
limber knotBOT
they have this in the repo which seems odd too: https://github.com/nenodevs/uBlockProtector/blob/944434bd5e2015128f1f1a4adff8d05150c034d8/src/background/connection.js
twin lagoon
wait hold on i use nano adblocker / defender
mighty storm
personally I use curl and hand render it with pen and paper
slim nymph
ah thats prob the file @wheat quarry
mighty storm
Oh damn, I found my next adventure, spigotdrama chrom(e/ium) extension
meager tusk
. what about Firefox.
limber knotBOT
why does shit like this get into the chrome store?!? do they not check updates?
mighty storm
correct
stiff yarrow
why does shit like this get into the chrome store?!? do they not check updates?
@phoenix616#0000 it’s the spigot store but chrome
meager tusk
npm
mighty storm
firefox takes like 1-2 days to do everything approved and all that, sucks
meager tusk
it's npm but chrome 
limber knotBOT
at least spigot doesn't auto-update lol
worn ember
whomsnt
cunning raft
afaik extensions get auto reviewed and only get sent to a human when there are requests for powerful permissions, have had a legal request, or fails a virus or other automated check
worn ember
if(code.contains("virus")) return false;
limber knotBOT
the js beautified: https://gist.github.com/Phoenix616/a3598680ef3ff45aac2c0d5dff093a4d
mighty storm
oh so it's cmi now
meager tusk
limber knotBOT
thank god I do all my sensitive stuff via incognito mode with limited addons enabled xD
worn ember
everyone: ree they're tracking my browser!!
their phone: am i a joke to you?
limber knotBOT
nobody does
meager tusk
i just use ublock origin
worn ember
my sister does, she doesn read and installs every adware possible
zealous wedge
it's defender but nano
cunning raft
just use ublock
slim nymph
most of it is socket.io fbut your original link phoenix people have found some suspect code in it
limber knotBOT
uBo doesn't do what uBlockProtector does
stiff yarrow
I don’t care about data privacy and look forward to my deep learned suggested porn algorithms from google
meager tusk
.
limber knotBOT
Aikar: well that is just the original one made readable
worn ember
i already have that feature
meager tusk
you know it does actually do that for me
cunning raft
you can add filters to ublock to accomplish it
or you know
support digital content
meager tusk
not google per se but some websites do 
worn ember
i allow non intrusive ads
limber knotBOT
I do support it, JRoy, I pay them money directly if they don't use ads
if they do then they can go fuck themselves
cunning raft
kappa
meager tusk
mighty storm
yeah i submitted my extension to firefox twice, second time failed for missing meta so i just gave up
chrome quest
Hello. Does anyone use CoreProtect here?
limber knotBOT
also pretty sure you can't get around some anti-adblock blockers just with uBo, or at least that used to be an issue ¯_(ツ)_/¯
mighty storm
Just get an ad-hider, doesn't block it, just hides it
stiff yarrow
in Firefox no one targets my anti-adblock extension so it works everywhere
its nice
chrome quest
Would using a MySQL be better then just a file in the plugins folder for CoreProtect?
meager tusk
whats the extension
mighty storm
anti ad blockers look for the extension nuking stuff, not for just setting display none 
cunning raft
if we keep adblocking we're gonna end up in the same boat as we were before where nothing was free
cunning raft
for now
meager tusk
cunning raft
idrc about blocking sites that much
people blocking youtube/twitch ads is what gets me the most
stiff yarrow
@chrome quest go ask the core protect guy, it really depends on how that stuff was optimized, most the time SQL can improve performance with a large DB (if you are doing it right)
mighty storm
every browser but chrome is gonna have this eventually
meager tusk
ok but youtube ads get very annoying
chrome quest
JRoy. You can be a product if you want. People who use adblocker prefer not to be a product.
cunning raft
ok
limber knotBOT
oh chrome will have that too, chew, just not for google trackers ;)
mighty storm
@chrome quest they're still the product lmao
meager tusk
yeah but the same ad?
cunning raft
content isn't free
meager tusk
7 videos in a row?
cunning raft
you're paying with ads
meager tusk
limber knotBOT
I just stopped watching youtube 
meager tusk
what do you watch now
cunning raft
subscribing to someone on twitch is a good way not get ads there too
chrome quest
You’re not paying with ads. You’re being sold to the companies who make the ads.
limber knotBOT
yeah, ads don't pay because you watch them, they pay because they are able to mine your data
mighty storm
cant lie my boy jay has a point
cunning raft
well thats how ads work yes phoenix
mighty storm
i hide ads because i hide content ill never interact with
limber knotBOT
and I will not gift people my data without me willingly doing so
cunning raft
how's bing
mighty storm
but it's not google ™️
stiff yarrow
the one time I bought something off an ad it was a chinese company posing as a real company and there were no products, just a scam
mighty storm
oh i should check my points
limber knotBOT
if the whole internet would've not shoved ads into my face before I am able to evaluate the actual site's content that would be great
cunning raft
i'm not saying you should interact with the ad, I never do, but blocking them is immoral on sites like youtube/twitch
limber knotBOT
ads are the only reason clickbait is a thing
cunning raft
phoenix would it be better if they forced everyone to pay for everything
chrome quest
I disagree it’s immoral.
cunning raft
because without ads that's where you'd be
limber knotBOT
not really, jroy. tons of content creators on twitch are surprised when they hear that people don't block ads
yes, jroy
that would be better
stiff yarrow
the normal person doesn't block ads
people watching on tv don't
why did that get quoted
limber knotBOT
because then people would only pay for actual quality stuff and not the whole shitty clickbait that currently dominates the web
cunning raft
what about people who can't afford it
limber knotBOT
wat
chrome quest
Watching YouTube isn’t a right.
limber knotBOT
who wouldn't be able to afford paying 10ct to watch a youtube video?!?
or 5
whatever your ad-view is worth
cunning raft
poor people phoenix
stiff yarrow
the majorty of internet users don't block ads, we are within a bubble of technical competence in this discord chat
cunning raft
holy shit
limber knotBOT
nobody should be as poor as that. if they are then we need a better social system
wide chasm
A lot of people also watch via phones, so blocking ads becomes bit harder on there
limber knotBOT
or offer free access via libraries like it is with traditional media
stiff yarrow
yeah I don't even know if you can have extensions on your phone, last time I checked I couldn't find any way to do so
twin lagoon
firefox on android
cunning raft
ad supported media is a thing
twin lagoon
Youtube Vanced on android
limber knotBOT
tbh I personally would be ok with ads if they were a) curated by the content creator/website themselves and b) not personalized and based on datamining
cunning raft
you're fighting a losing battle
stiff yarrow
ads being curated by the content creator doesn't make sense anymore
wide chasm
sponsors say hi
limber knotBOT
GDPR is a thing, it's definitly not a losing battle in the EU
cunning raft
gdpr did next to nothing
stiff yarrow
we've got deep learning algorithms doing the best job at ad delivery now
cunning raft
gdpr just gave a little more control
limber knotBOT
GDPR literally stopped everyone from mining your data and creating an ad-profile without your explicit consent
(and yes, lots of sites still illegally do it)
cunning raft
sure, you still got ads tho
chrome quest
JRoy. You can roll over and give up all your privacy. Others can fight for theirs.
cunning raft
untargeted
limber knotBOT
which is my point b fullfilled?
cunning raft
you're still losing the battle
also if you're fighting for you privacy stop using google
stop using youtube
pay for your content
limber knotBOT
(also point a) includes that content creators/site owners are responsible for the concent of their ads. so if they spread malware they will have a lawsuit)
chrome quest
I don’t use google.
next wind
stop using youtube
@cunning raft what about small creators that dont have other platforms that they use?
cunning raft
@next wind edge case but don't block ads
phoenix wasn't talking to you on those points
cunning raft
they make something
stiff yarrow
in todays world we have deep learning ads that figured out you want an anime waifu pillow before you knew you wanted one
but we used to just have random ass advertising, we can easily go back to that with regulation
limber knotBOT
no?
cunning raft
nothing != something
limber knotBOT
you need 1000 subs and 10000 watched minutes
cunning raft
if they have adsense they make something
limber knotBOT
otherwise google just pockets all ad revenue
next wind
small content creators make nothing from ads
@phoenix616#0000 even if they make just 15 dollars, thats still a new game they could buy or whatever
cunning raft
phoenix: hosting video isn't free
stiff yarrow
define small
cunning raft
google can profit from it too
limber knotBOT
oh wait, 4k watch minutes
*4k watch hours actually
I can't read
JRoy: youtube changed the rules in the past
cunning raft
you're saying google isn't allowed to make money on a platform where they host content for free
limber knotBOT
you were able to profit from ads with way lower numbers, then the adcapolypse happened and they stopped doing that
cunning raft
yeah
limber knotBOT
this has nothing to do with youtube having to pay more for hosting
they just said "fuck small content creators"
cunning raft
it's a manual review now for partner programs
limber knotBOT
they still owe me 15ct
stiff yarrow
to be fair the adpocalypse was a dirty move by the corporations, they are the major payers that allowed youtube to operate at its scale
limber knotBOT
well in the past being partner didn't mean being able to run ads though
you were able to get ads with 50 subscribers lol
humble falcon
owo what
limber knotBOT
also what's interesting is that you can disable personalized ads on your videos. and if you do then youtube will stop recommend them to other people xD
cunning raft
Yeah lmao
And partner was viewed as an endorsement
There's a google video about this
I think EmpLemon made it
chrome quest
Can you go back to the other bit. How is it immoral for me to block ads?
limber knotBOT
morally it's the same as piracy
cunning raft
Exactly
Blocking ads is literally just piracy if the platform has no other way of directly support it (and you don't use that option)
Youtube for example has youtube premium
Twitch has twitch turbo
limber knotBOT
it's questionable though how much usage of a website warrants that you have to pay for it though
you mean twitch/amazon prime
and that doesn't remove ads
cunning raft
Twitch turbo is another thing
left swift
Blocking ads isn't an option unless you sub to the channel directly
limber knotBOT
you can only remove ads by subscribing now
left swift
That probably wont even be a thing soon
peak dirge
WHY!!!!
cunning raft
limber knotBOT
sharing your product id online
cunning raft
Twitch turbo still exists
limber knotBOT
uh, so they re-added it. interesting
cunning raft
Subs remove ads per channel
left swift
Turbo used to be the same as prime before they turned ads back on for prime users
limber knotBOT
they basically made it two different stages I guess
limber knotBOT
yeah, it's Prime Gaming now, not Twitch Prime
limber knotBOT
probably to integrate it into Amazon's over gaming launcher and get rid of the twitch one
*other
cunning raft
Yeah
next wind
they have another gaming launcher?
cunning raft
Had
next wind
the twitch one is already bad enough
cunning raft
I think it's gone now
limber knotBOT
tbh ads on twitch are actually kinda good: they don't play ads for non-affiliate people so any ad played will actually profit the streamer
next wind
does anybody use the twitch desktop app for watching twitch?
cunning raft
yeah minority split for affiliates tho
limber knotBOT
meanwhile youtube will have ads for everyone
next wind
i just use it for the prime games
cunning raft
Youtube only has ads for non partners when they have an above 150% fill rate
Which nowadays is almost always
Xmas time they'll probably have a 1000% fill rate
And then in January it usually dips below 100%
Same for twitch
worn ember
i had like 3 ads on my phone when i tried to watch a yt video