it's also not finished so no wonder people aren't using it for anything serious lol
#general
limber knotBOT
true canyon
I tried matrix a year ago. The recommended setup was a buggy mess. It's great that they want to say they're the future with all these features, but with all the time they've spent it doesn't look like they have any plans on being used anywhere but the mysterious and distant future :p
limber knotBOT
I mean its in a "either use our service or have fun getting it to run well" state that most open source projects created by for-profit organizations are lol
wide citrus
if there was an easy discord/slack bridge setup for matrix I'd switch in a heartbeat
limber knotBOT
I assume you tried this one? https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bridge/matrix-appservice-discord/
wide citrus
yeah but it was sooo complicated, stuff about hosting, nodes, servers, tried for an hour before giving up
zealous wedge
synapse is kinda garbage
cosmic raft
uwu
wide citrus
it's just way too much effort right now
limber knotBOT
I mean bridging isn't the goal of matrix anyways. ideally you would just login with your discord account directly and not appear via a bot account lol
wide citrus
lol then matrix would become a 3rd party client and get slammed by tos
limber knotBOT
TOS doesn't ban third party clients so no
wide citrus
aren't they against tos though?
limber knotBOT
reverse engineering and abusing non-public API endpoints for functionality that the vanilla client can't do is
cunning raft
TOS says you cannot use third party modifications
limber knotBOT
but that doesn't matter anyways, Discord (and any other company in existence) can ban your account at any time if they want, they don't need a reason
cunning raft
^
limber knotBOT
please provide that line
because last I checked it literally didn't say that
also Discord doesn't enforce their TOS anyways so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cunning raft
You agree not to (and not to attempt to) (i) use the Service for any use or purpose other than as expressly permitted by these Terms;(ii) copy, adapt, modify, prepare derivative works based upon, distribute, license, sell, transfer, publicly display, publicly perform, transmit, stream, broadcast, attempt to discover any source code, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or otherwise exploit the Service or any portion of the Service, except as expressly permitted in these Terms;
that says nothing about usage, JRoy
limber knotBOT
random posts != TOS
cunning raft
You agree not to....modify...any portion of the Service
but at the end of the day doesn't matter
limber knotBOT
the line you quoted says literally what I said JRoy: it stops you from reverse engineering and CREATING third party clients
cunning raft
it seems discord doesn't care unless you abuse their api
limber knotBOT
it does not say that you can't USE third party clients as a user ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cunning raft
that's generally covered by those terms
limber knotBOT
not where I live, lol
cunning raft
since using a tool to modify your client is still modification
limber knotBOT
and I doubt it would hold up in court if this was a legal agreement (which it most likely isn't)
third party program != modifying your client
cunning raft
betterdiscord releases a tool which modifies the client
wide citrus
though it doesn't seem to be explicitly in the tos
limber knotBOT
that doesn't matter, Object
what they believe their TOS says and what the TOS actually says are two different things
cunning raft
like how paperclip patches NMS, betterdiscord just injects its own code into discord
limber knotBOT
if they wanted that then their lawyers should fix their TOS lol
cunning raft
it is generally understood by US law that their terms cover user modifications to the client
limber knotBOT
I don't care about vanilla client hacks
wide citrus
true, I guess you just have to hope to not piss of the overlord that controlls us all
cunning raft
but it doesn't mater since they have an exit for convenience clause
limber knotBOT
what I said was that "usage of third party clients are not against the TOS"
cunning raft
they can exit their contract with you at any time
limber knotBOT
not that "modifyin the Vanilla client wasn't against the TOS"
cunning raft
omg fucking twitter lawyers
their API is part of their service
their terms talk about their "service"
limber knotBOT
technically modying it to not change the way it interacts with the server might not even violate it, adding interactions that isn't possible with the vanilla client would be
wide citrus
but they can still legally terminate your account for whatever so tos can be whatever
limber knotBOT
also discord devs have actively participated in the development in third party clients so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
(they could also ban all users using cancel's client instantly, it sends its own user agent)
cunning raft
they don't explicitly grant you permission to use API in a third party client and their Terms forbid you from doing anything with their service that hasn't been explicitly granted to you
limber knotBOT
pretty sure they also don't say that you have to use their client to use their service
just that you have to use their service in accordance with the terms
cunning raft
you have to use their service as intended
limber knotBOT
so if the terms don't say which client to use...
cunning raft
doesn't mater because you're not granted the right to use an external client and the terms reserve all rights
limber knotBOT
it basically boils down to: if you are not abusing their service and impacting functionality for other users they wont care
cunning raft
enforcement wise sure
young terrace
that's right
limber knotBOT
if you are using spam scripts or exploitable patched stuff like BetterDiscord then that's on you
cunning raft
but legally they could terminate you for using a third party client or modified first party client and have a valid case
young terrace
betterdiscord is fine
limber knotBOT
did they patch the exploits?
young terrace
it's about what you install on betterdiscord
cunning raft
but it doesn't mater since they have an exit for convenience clause
wide citrus
there's exploits?
young terrace
No, there's no exploits
limber knotBOT
ofc there is, lol
young terrace
a user script grabbing your token is not an exploit
limber knotBOT
most third party Vanilla discord modifications disable major security features in the client
young terrace
like what
cunning raft
lulw
limber knotBOT
look at night's issues on their github repos
he reviewd some of the more popular modifications a while ago
wide citrus
since matrix is decentralized is there any network wide ban
limber knotBOT
no, that wouldn't work
wide citrus
I love how I can tell when an app uses electron because when I download it it uses up 30% of my ram
young terrace
he reviewd some of the more popular modifications a while ago
literally don't install anything BD plugin you see online is my point here
there are non-malicious plugins that make use of the tradeoffs that disabling these "security features' offer
limber knotBOT
I wouldn't be surprised if you can abuse that through messages though
cunning raft
bd has been in the process of a rewrite for a while too
which has proper plugin isolation/sandboxing
with a permission model and such
thats been stagnate for a while tho
young terrace
by the way yes third party clients are against the discord tos
but they don't go out of the way to do anything to you
cunning raft
yeah i explained that above
wide citrus
not explicitly in the tos I guess, but the tos can be whatever they want
cunning raft
yet again, tos reserves all rights not explicitly granted to you
limber knotBOT
Rigby: tl;dr: it's a myth that the TOS prevents third party clients from being used. but in the end it doesn't matter
wide citrus
dangit, I can't use discord while eating hashbrowns
young terrace
confirmed by numerous discord employees
cunning raft
jfc phoenix
limber knotBOT
discord employers have no authority over the legal interpretation of their TOS
cunning raft
not a myth, it's just doesn't have the phase "third-party client" in it
the legal interpretation of their TOS does. not. allow. third. party. clients.
limber knotBOT
unless a judge decides it (and it wont be appealed) then my legal understanding is as good as any other
wide citrus
discord ace attorney
limber knotBOT
also I wonder under which jursidiction it would be decided, I assume some EU court due to some trade agreements
cunning raft
California
waxen panther
Ah yes
cunning raft
For residents outside the United States, arbitration shall be initiated in San Francisco, California.
cunning raft
you agree to arbitration in the California
limber knotBOT
again: it doesn't matter what their TOS say
cunning raft
holy shit
limber knotBOT
if my country is granting me other rights then I will have them
cunning raft
im talking to a brick wall that doesn't understand contract law
limber knotBOT
some foreign country can't limit my rights beyond what we granted them in trade agreements
wide citrus
!remindme bring up discord next time I need my lawer
cunning raft
By visiting or using the Service, you agree that the laws of the United States and the State of California, without regard to principles of conflict of laws and regardless of your location, will govern these Terms and any dispute of any sort that might arise between you and the Company.
young terrace
young terrace
they've put custom clients under automation
limber knotBOT
so I feel like wondering which court decides that is a valid question
young terrace
Twitter
limber knotBOT
Rigby: again, that's not the TOS
cunning raft
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I CAN'T
limber knotBOT
why do people keep quoting stuff that is NOT THE TOS
while saying THE TOS SAYS THAT
young terrace
ok, then i will quote the tos
You agree not to (and not to attempt to) (i) use the Service for any use or purpose other than as expressly permitted by these Terms;(ii) copy, adapt, modify, prepare derivative works based upon, distribute, license, sell, transfer, publicly display, publicly perform, transmit, stream, broadcast, attempt to discover any source code, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or otherwise exploit the Service or any portion of the Service, except as expressly permitted in these Terms;
limber knotBOT
also please scroll up if you are going to quote the same thing again and again
cunning raft
phoenix is right in that sense but is still against the tos
wide citrus
adapting and modifying doesn't cover 3rd party clients
unreal quarry
why do people keep quoting stuff that is NOT THE TOS
@phoenix616#0000 because when people DO quote the TOS, people like you say
again: it doesn't matter what their TOS say
wide citrus
only the existing client
limber knotBOT
I literally did not say that in regards to that point
unreal quarry
i'm just calling it how i see it. i just got here ¯_(ツ)_/¯
limber knotBOT
then please scroll up :)
young terrace
well it's against ToS and they've banned people in the past for custom cllients and breaking similar rules
they just don't seek out offenders
wide citrus
they say its against tos
limber knotBOT
they banned them for abusing them to use functionality not provided by the vanilla client, yes
wide citrus
though it's not actually in the tos 
young terrace
don't know how much more straightforward it could be, you can argue all you want but in the end they're still gonna ban you if you fuck up and they catch you doing it
limber knotBOT
e.g. stuff like setting a custom game status
wide citrus
doesn't discord already allow that
limber knotBOT
which for a long while was not possible with the vanilla client
yes, they added it recently
limber knotBOT
of course most people probably got banned for using spam shit and then playing innocent xD
you were always able to just set it directly via a query to their inofficial api
wide citrus
can't you theoretically just spoof the user agent and stuff and make a 3rd party client indistinguishable from the original
limber knotBOT
yes
young terrace
You agree that you shall not modify, copy, distribute, frame, reproduce, republish, download, scrape, display, post, transmit, or sell in any form or by any means, in whole or in part, or otherwise exploit the Service Materials without our express prior written permission. You acknowledge that you do not acquire any ownership rights by using the Service or by accessing any Service Materials posted on the Service by the Company, or any derivative works thereof. All rights not expressly granted by these Terms are reserved by the Company and its licensors, and no license is granted hereunder by estoppel, implication or otherwise.
limber knotBOT
and people are going to do that if discord wanted to really ban third party usage
and they are smart to not do that as it's a battle they can't win
cunning raft
the point is phoenix, if you agree to discord terms of service, you agree to the contract under California/US law (and are bound by that jurisdiction for any dispute). That jurisdiction understands the contract discord provides to say that third party clients and first party client modifications are against their terms of service. Your country's laws do not apply. Discord has very expensive California lawyers which are good at their job, they know how to write contracts.
limber knotBOT
so client's like ripcord keep sending their user agent and discord can keep having stats on third party client usage
cosmic raft
this arguing about clients is getting old
limber knotBOT
JRoy: my country law always matters.
limber knotBOT
have you never heard of trade agreements or something?
cunning raft
Governing Law. By visiting or using the Service, you agree that the laws of the United States and the State of California, without regard to principles of conflict of laws and regardless of your location, will govern these Terms and any dispute of any sort that might arise between you and the Company.
im done
limber knotBOT
just because their TOS says that it doesn't mean that they can enforce it if the jursdiction of one party wont allow that part to be enforced
that's how TOS work
vernal moth
You can write whatever you want into TOS
next fractal
hello everyone! Question to intellij experts: How can I add external maven repository to an artifact project? (I'm kinda new to Intellij, the project doesn't have pom.xml nor build.gradle)
limber knotBOT
so anyways, what kinds of cake do people like
vernal moth
"you may not decompile my shit plugin!!!"
limber knotBOT
they are there for companies to cover their asses by trying to be as strict as possible. if some parts wont fly then they will just ¯_(ツ)_/¯ and do it in whatever jursdiction is applicable
young terrace
i've never had cheesecake before
young terrace
but i might try that soon
young terrace
what flavor of cheescake
next fractal
is it possible to convert the project by one click?
limber knotBOT
no
quasi valley
the flavor of cake 
minor badge
quasi valley
young terrace
but you have to add whatever dependencies you need into your pom.xml
minor badge
cheese cake :D
novel heath
.> whats happening why are bots carrying on a conversation here
limber knotBOT
maven has a "add framework support" functionality
young terrace
because they're the best AI
limber knotBOT
beep boop
right click on your project's root folder and it should be there
we're taking over
novel heath
👀
limber knotBOT
also use #paper-dev for dev-related questions ;)
novel heath
@zealous wedge what is the best videogame created
upper flicker
pong
cunning raft
that game is fire
unreal quarry
novel heath
why do you think those games are the best
limber knotBOT
yes
heady spear
@minor badge uwu
true canyon
1:88 chance, thanks valve
young terrace
the options of chheescake i can select from are
strawberry swirl
chocolate chip
new york style
minor badge
@heady spear thank
cedar spade
worn ember
@true canyon didnt battlepass end?
true canyon
It did, but they gave out the extra 10 levels for hitting 40mil
That happened to get me the treasure which got me that.
worn ember
ooh nice
mossy vessel
You seem a bit desperate
heady spear
I am
mossy vessel
Ima take you out for dinner
heady spear
ok cool but I ate my dammsugare today so don't need to eat for a bit
green turret
I got the Sony headphones. The store I got them at have a 50 days try 'em period, so if they go on sale on Black Friday I'll just invoke douche mode.
mental meadow
City we can cuddle
green turret
It's next level bidet mode
true canyon
I ... just watched this minutes ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQx-ZbSQSBM
mental meadow
smh city
green turret
Ohhh mbax I will watch
pseudo pilot
wow online labs are great
we have to grow a single crystal of salt
a single clear crystal of salt
green turret
Ahahaha love it
pseudo pilot
yeah it's not fun at all aaa :(
woven otter
https://i.imgur.com/JOJky9Z.png
Aikar? 👀
nocturne falcon
he has child or very reckless animal i would imagine
woven otter
oh wait they are soft? well yeah I can't tell if it's soft or if it's a hard plastic
nocturne falcon
they look like foam, i mean its possible theyre not but, looks similar to what we had around when my brother was young
gray plinth
the grass texture and offhand lighting no work
warm anchor
"shader" pack has to be manually enabled option -> video -> shader or something like that
gray plinth
what about the off hand lighting
warm anchor
its there somewhere
gray plinth
oh so i have to enable it
warm anchor
ofcoz coz that's not vanilla lol
The only defaul that's on is going to be the one that optimize the client only.
gray plinth
im stupid srry for waiting ur time
slim nymph
yes it is a child protection foam, I do sometimes have young ones over
hell even an adult if fell and hit that it would be bad!
trim depot
woven otter
oh good to know
slate bison
Can i ask here about a plugin? That's not from paper, since I just need to find a plugin, that I can post images onto item frames with, AnimatedFrames is outdated
mossy vessel
mossy vessel
Reviews mean shit
mossy vessel
Probably worth to file an issue then
slate bison
It's open source
mossy vessel
Even better
worn ember
is minecraft turing complete?
novel horizon
I think not, it is limited and only for Windows 10 edition, before there was only few maps which were working with that and then (I think) there was some support to worlds that aren't created with that, but not sure how is it now
vernal moth
is minecraft turing complete?
@worn ember pretty sure somebody did proof that mc functions are turning complete
worn ember
ofc they did lol
raven yarrow
Hello! What AntiBot would you recommed? I just got a massive bot attack and want to prevent new ones 😦
mossy vessel
Which kind of bots?
raven yarrow
Massive number of accounts joining from proxies
slim nymph
remove the incentive they are going for
is it spam? better anti spam on new accounts protection
is it loot/items/money? approach that
worn ember
just make them unable to chat and execute commands on spawn point
raven yarrow
So you recommend that instead of an proxi bot protecction i should limit the chat and command execution?
Will try that, thank you!
mossy vessel
cat stop being mean to pwöxy
limber knotBOT
I thought it was supposed to... bleh
mossy vessel
smh
minor badge
stop simping so hard for me x
slim nymph
what if he simps with money
mossy vessel
oki pwoxy :(
twin lagoon
shit i found some settings for RDR2 to turn down that don't impact graphics ata all
and holy shit it's playing at 100fps consistent now at even higher settings
twin lagoon
it's such a stunning game
tawny stream
why when I do /give <me> portal 1 I get an unknown item name: portal msg?
how can I got a nether portal block?
twin lagoon
because portal doesn't exist
golden gust
am go shöp
you can't have technical blocks in your inventory anyways, they don't have an actual item variant
tawny stream
then how can I build a portal manually? @golden gust
tawny stream
also I don't know if @minor badge coudl try my world and see if fixlight works as expected, because I cannot still fix the shadows in my flat world 😦
tawny stream
@golden gust when I use /paper fixlight in my flat world nothing happens
golden gust
Don't ping
Once again, fixlight itself is working fine
it dispatches off all the needed stuff for chunks to relight
What doesn't work, once again, is vanillas lighting system
our speed improvements to the system make the fact that their system blows up much more visible
tawny stream
but why when I use fixlight in the main world it fixes the shadows but when I use it in another different world is not working?
golden gust
it literally shouldn't matter on the world
each world should have their own isolated lighting system
if not, vanilla, woo...
The thing is, these systems are OTT complex, especially when you have the lack of useful method/variable names because thx spigot; The only way somebody is going to diagnose stuff like that is several dozen days of "imma spend 4+ hours running over this to figure out what's going on"
tawny stream
and is the lighting system different for paper and vanilla?
worn ember
golden gust
paper has optimizations to speed up the queuing of work
We have very few changes in the lighting system itself, and have even tested without those optimizations
regal frost
worn ember
.g how to google
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://lmgtfy.com/ -- LMGTFY - Search Made Easy: "LMGTFY, 2009-2020 | Google® is a registered trademark of Google Inc. LMGTFY is not endorsed by, sponsored by, or affiliated with Google Inc."
worn ember
Does anyone know how to deal with prettyfing huge json files?
any online tool i can find it exceeds max length
minor badge
jq
worn ember
sorry i only speak windows
minor badge
cat file.json | jq > pretty.json
upper flicker
either jq or your favorite text editor
minor badge
(vim)
upper flicker
IJ might have code formatting support as well if you feel like firing up that whole thing
pretty sure it do for json
minor badge
jq it
upper flicker
you should get in on the unix love anyway
curl https://api.opendota.com/api/matches/5654024789 | jq > pretty.json
worn ember
dont really have any linux vm's setup
upper flicker
wsl lyfe
worn ember
now i need to make a db of this...
upper flicker
dont say youre going to use mongo unless you want to be beaten verbally by this channel
we already did that once today
worn ember
nah, postgres probably
its to visualize so probably a timetable?
but not even sure
would anyone happen to know if there are any json->postgres converters? the online ones i tried pooped their pants
minor badge
@heady spear dumb
heady spear
ye proxi sleep ur naughty bye
void void
@worn ember just use json data type in postgres lmao
zealous wedge
@void void i see you go to sleep too
minor badge
@zealous wedge awa
minor badge
@void void uwu good night 😼
void void
technically it can...
worn ember
"technically" i dont like the sound of that
void void
it won't look nice
tbh i'd pass data through some middleware first
what would generate time series easily
minor badge
ur ma
wet jetty
Does anyone have any good recommendations for a anticheat plugin? or a few which work well together?
void void
wdym what does that entail
worn ember
tbh i'd pass data through some middleware first
tawny stream
well, then I cannot understand why when I use /paper fixlight in my flat world nothing happens 🤔
golden gust
imagine if I just wasted my time explaining that...
fallen oracle
upper flicker
wet jetty
NCP + markelf config is pretty decent for most non-specific use cases
@tired locust markelf?
I assume you mean ncp as no cheat plus
golden gust
yes
wet jetty
oh its a user, got it now,
so his config on ncp 🙂
cool thanks
upper flicker
there are no happy mondays
zealous wedge
it's a stat and school holiday here 🙂
potent fossil
Brett sus
nocturne falcon
those are the best
cosmic raft
@nocturne falcon you've had them? :D
nocturne falcon
yes! my grandma introduced me like 4 years ago? i buy them semi regularly since then
and by semi regularly i mean whenever i feel like buying something unhealthy
cosmic raft
this is my first bag; a couple friends told me about them and that they were so good
so I ordered a bag
bloody $16 or something for it
nocturne falcon
ah yeah. i got all my friends hooked. they occasionally send me snaps of them eating them
cosmic raft
$16.99
nocturne falcon
lol theyre worth every dollar in my opinion. so good
theyre cheaper in store, but i dont have any stores that carry then near me
nocturne falcon
they were in some weird store in idaho, thats where my grandma first found em. havent seen them anywhere else. I am in new york, seems like may be a pretty location specific thing
well heres the thing, they used to sell bags of their seasoning
i bought one once and made my own for a bit. decided it was a bit too much of a pain, since i dont really buy em that often
i believe it
yeah hence why i dont buy em very often. ive also found myself thinking theyre too salty as i get older so, i eat them less
nocturne falcon
is there a specific reason you want to avoid python?
limber knotBOT
just use an IDE and you will be fine
worn pasture
i tried to avoid python, but our build scripts use it so i have no choice 😤
chrome fulcrum
There isn't a reason to avoid python for this topic....
Something I wish I was better at, and is a long term goal of mine. Is having proficiency in multiple languages.
Currently I only ask proficient in Java. That objective, for you, could be a very compelling reason to embrace it.
The basic concepts of programming carry over, and learning new languages is going to help the learning process.
limber knotBOT
that's where an IDE helps a ton as you can abuse suggestions and auto completel to basically learn the methods and structure of the languange
that's basically how I learned java lol
worn pasture
that's how all the kids are learning java
limber knotBOT
IntelliJ's suggestion system releasing when it did was a godsend to me, I would've probably never gone that far with eclipse
chrome fulcrum
Oof. I can't imagine using foreign API without completion suggestions. I spend negligibly small time looking at javadocs. Waste of time now to memorize specific methods now
golden gust
Yea, javadocs are nice to be able to run over and view stuff, but, remembering method names, etc, across 20 dozen common libs you deal with, that would be ouch otherwise
chrome fulcrum
Don't get me wrong. I am confident in my ability to format compilable code without an IDE. But why would I. Haha
golden gust
I'm not saying that I don't believe you
but
runs
IDEs are tools, they make your life easier, IJ just happens to be a much better tool
worn ember
i cant even make my code compile with an ide let alone without
tawdry coyote
i could probably make functional code that runs, but doesn't compile because I have no idea what the imports are for the most general things because I havent manually imported anything for several years
chrome fulcrum
Oof. Imports would be a struggle
limber knotBOT
just import * 
mighty storm
import *.*;
pseudo pilot
i wont wanna avoid python
it's just that python is what everyone up in academia uses
mighty storm
fun fact rate limit on deleting messages (for users anyway) is 30/2m
pseudo pilot
alongside mathlab
mighty storm
2m starts on the first message deleted
nocturne falcon
what does academia have to do with you learning python?
pseudo pilot
everyone uses it
mighty storm
isnt that an anime
pseudo pilot
especially for modeling systems using differential equations
nocturne falcon
...yeah? its a pretty versatile program you can do stuff with, why would they not
lol probably chew
pseudo pilot
yeah im just stating a fact lol that i've noticed
golden gust
Well, it's easier than teaching how to do stuff like creating a java app, how to do OOP, etc, etc
Not to mention that there are dozens of bindings for AI/ML libs for python
mighty storm
only known use ive seen for python is AI tbh
nocturne falcon
yeah ive already learned matlab in 2 of my classes now, cause its super easy to set up
pseudo pilot
thats a nice change of pace
golden gust
My mates engineering degree had a course on it that used python for an assignment or two
mighty storm
p sure its high on cpu ye
nocturne falcon
i mean anything can make your computer go hot if you do it bad enough
mighty storm
ok sorry non-brit here is "mate" friend?
nocturne falcon
i dont have enough exp with python to say
golden gust
yes
nocturne falcon
yeah pretty much
mighty storm
ah cool
pseudo pilot
basicly
im gonna brute force all my differential equation problems
with euler's method
mighty storm
basicly??
pseudo pilot
basicok;y
mighty storm
y'know why isnt basicly valid
nocturne falcon
i mean yeah you could brute force them but.. why
golden gust
bhasically
pseudo pilot
cause
golden gust
jus coz fuq u
mighty storm
basically? what's next basicenemy?
pseudo pilot
plus when u model something in the lab with only like 3 hours in total
you don't have time to write a taylor expression or to find a solution in elementary terms
unreal quarry
pseudo pilot
you only have time to put number in and get number out within an error margin
nocturne falcon
why is your prof is giving you diff eq problems that would take 3+ hours with a taylor expression...
mighty storm
I love searching my server cus 2019 was inactive as hell, in #bot-usage be like
Total: 103303 messages
One specific bot: 103233 messages
what were those 70 messages? who knows
imma be bored one day and just start deletin
pseudo pilot
I'm talking about a real lab with actual research
chrome fulcrum
Are you just trying to avoid learning the methods of Differential Equations? wat. Just using the computer's output doesn't accomplish you anything in learning....
pseudo pilot
like this time
when i had to model an NTC silicon thingy
just to get a single value
nocturne falcon
ah makes more sense
also idk what kind of lab youre in but i would avoid posting pictures of it on the internet usually
pseudo pilot
i wrote a program in arduino to do it for me
unreal quarry
looks like youre playing minecraft from a pharmacy
nocturne falcon
my lab would crucify my ass if i did that lol
pseudo pilot
it's a polymers lab
that image had no sensitive rhing in it lol
better safe than sorry tho
unreal quarry
reminds me of a good song by Cruel Youth called Mr Watson
pseudo pilot
lol the lab is the opposite of a pharmacy
there's stuff in there that could kill you 1000x over
chrome fulcrum
"the opposite of a pharmacy".
pseudo pilot
||redacted||
mighty storm
dont you mean a harmacy
pseudo pilot
basically
oh u spilled the t-butyl lithium
have fun with the purple fire
that spews toxic gases everywhere
unreal quarry
heh, dangerous jobs are fun
pseudo pilot
you'd love researching here lol
unreal quarry
most dangerous job I had was a filler for high pressure and cryogenic oxygen
pseudo pilot
oh
unreal quarry
and i worked with high pressure gases and cryogenic liquids (mostly oxygen since no one else wanted to be near that one)
pseudo pilot
be careful of sparks lmao
unreal quarry
like, did you know pure oxygen can self combust if it comes into contact with your oily skin?
unreal quarry
crack a valve open and let it blow on your hand = boom
pseudo pilot
idk that's true
unreal quarry
lol
golden gust
bringing self inflation to a whole new level
pseudo pilot
we have a cylinder in the lab for oxygenation reactions
mighty storm
😳
unreal quarry
fun fact: part of my job was to crack open the valves of the oxygen tanks and sniff to make sure it was odorless (in case acetalene backed up in the lines we would have to flush the tanks)
golden gust
I see chew is aware of what I'm talking about.
golden gust
Bringing a whole new meaning to "sniff this"
unreal quarry
company called AirGas
pseudo pilot
ah i see
unreal quarry
sells to industrial welding and to medical
pseudo pilot
yeah iirc some of the nitrogen tanks came from them
unreal quarry
and no, medical doesnt get the same stuff welders do lol
golden gust
pseudo pilot
lolol yeah
the scariest thing I've seen in the lab is called hydrazine
anhydrous
imagine liquid cyanide that explodes if you drop it
pseudo pilot
it was stored in an explosion proof fridge lol
lol yeah hydrazine is used as Rocket fuel
unreal quarry
i wanted on that team, but they required you to be clean shaven
i refused, so
lol
unreal quarry
hazmat suit, yeah
same reason i wasnt a fire fighter, too lol
masks dont seal with facial hair :3
pseudo pilot
yeah big rip lol
unreal quarry
best thing we ever made was a gas that smelled like farts
vestal jasper
Lol
unreal quarry
nasa ordered it to test their equipment on the spaceships, i guess to contain the smells
pseudo pilot
well the thing is
hydrazine doesn't have a smell
they add it in as a warning so people evacuate before they drop like flies in case of a leak
chrome fulcrum
We've got an AirGas branch here locally. I wonder how widespread it is (opens Google)
Looks like in all 50 states. So there it is. Interesting
nocturne falcon
i have no idea what airgas is
sharp sentinel
nocturne falcon
feels like clickbait but also looks sweet
pseudo solstice
It's really
nocturne falcon
lets give it a watch
pseudo solstice
Although it's propane torch based
nocturne falcon
yo wait chew this is completely random but didnt earlier you say the max delete rate for deleting user messages is like 30 messages per minute or somethign
limpid comet
could really use some advice on this (or someone just to answer a question or two 😄)
So I'm looking into Redis and it looks like it a good user for my server, but from what I know it's intended to be used as a cache, correct? Is this a built in feature, or do I have to write some code myself that automatically saves Redis data to my MariaDB database
I see I'll have to do some thinking on how to store relevant data in the Redis cache
Best idea might be to store global userdata in the cache, and have specific games pull from the db directly
That's just from the little amount I've read on Redis though, might be going in the wrong direction here
But I think using Redis is beneficial, because right now I'm loading user data every time a player leaves and saving it when a player joins, which is a little inefficient in my eyes because if a user switches from one lobby to another, it's saving the userdata on leave and loading it back in immediately
So if I could instead directly manipulate data in Redis, I wouldn't have to ensure that the user data is saved before switching to another server, since it's all stored in Redis instead of in the gameserver's memory
So I suppose my main question is, would the approach be to: load user data into Redis once they connect to the proxy, and save this Redis data back to the MariaDB database on leave? Or is there some feature within Redis that handles it for me
potent fossil
well, redis can be used as a cache or a message broker. technically it can persist data, which allows it to be used as a database but don't do that. i'll personally charge you with crimes against humanity.
i wouldn't modify data in-place in redis, because if redis goes down any changes made in redis which haven't been synced back to the proper db will be lost forever.
so, really, you should load data into redis from the db on log in. if something has to change, pull it out of redis, modify it, sync back to real db, then put that changed data back in redis. never only modify redis, or you're risking your data because redis is ephemeral
doing that means updating an online player is slightly more complex, but reads will be faster i guess. if you have ephemeral session based data that doesn't need to be saved to mariadb or if it's ok to lose, then that's fine to edit in-place in redis
@limpid comet
potent fossil
1.16.3 was a minor update.
Most if not all plugins should work fine.
Have you tried them or not?
lusty solar
i tried paper latest but getting error to run plugins
potent fossil
What errors?...
lusty solar
plz give me 1.16.2 link
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see pins in #announcements
potent fossil
https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.2/latest/download
Here, I guess. But I'm quite sure you're just not doing things correctly.
You get no support when you use outdated software. Keep that in mind.
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@serene bolt 😼
serene bolt
👋
lusty solar
https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.2/latest/download
Here, I guess. But I'm quite sure you're just not doing things correctly.
@potent fossil checking bro
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just wait till he finds out plugins like worldedit print warnings on join for using an old ver 
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there were a few mappings changes cause thanks md5
serene bolt
just a few mappings between 1.16.2 -> 1.16.3 which did break like citizens and a few others I think, but that's been resolved for a good while
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thats it
serene bolt
isn't that always the case 
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some plugins check version on their string, so it wont work for 1.16.3 unless they update it
which is dumb but welcome to mc plugins
potent fossil
now that is very dumb
lusty solar
papermc not support spigot plugins?
potent fossil
but we wouldnt know unless we got logs, which we did not
fallen oracle
Laughs in EssentialsX
golden gust
spigot plugins work fine on paper
golden gust
only risk is hacky plugins which mess around with stuff they shouldn't
potent fossil
ok this is heavily XY, we can't help you unless we see what errors you're getting @lusty solar You're assuming the version is the problem, now you're assuming paper is the problem
lusty solar
ill update and send u error log bro
potent fossil
Send logs, using a paste site, in #paper-help
lusty solar
paper 1.16.3 support 1.16.2 client?
cunning raft
no
potent fossil
not without viaversion
lusty solar
but working
cunning raft
use viaversion
lusty solar
i added viaversion
potent fossil
make your way to #paper-help, this is not the help channel.
lusty solar
ok
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@cunning raft hey~
cunning raft
yo
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howre you doing 😳
cunning raft
im going to bed
limpid comet
@potent fossil I see, I didn't consider using Redis as a session-data storage. So maybe that would be the better solution. I think my current database issue already suffers from it being in-memory data, because I'm only saving userdata on login and logout. I assumed that it would be far slower to be modifying user-data directly, but I suppose if I'm using proper async code, it wouldn't be an issue.
I have a User class which provides get/set methods for values, but it only modifies Document values in-memory, so instead I should update these values as soon as they're set.
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@vestal jasper uwu
potent fossil
@potent fossil I see, I didn't consider using Redis as a session-data storage. So maybe that would be the better solution. I think my current database issue already suffers from it being in-memory data, because I'm only saving userdata on login and logout. I assumed that it would be far slower to be modifying user-data directly, but I suppose if I'm using proper async code, it wouldn't be an issue.
I have a User class which provides get/set methods for values, but it only modifies Document values in-memory, so instead I should update these values as soon as they're set.
@limpid comet check out something like Caffeine for java which is an in mem cache that lets you set expiry based on insertion or last access, and then set an event listener for when it expires so that you can load the data when needed, let it sit in memory for a little while, and then automatically get saved back to the db asynchronously when it is no longer actively being used. You don't wanna load it and keep it there indefinitely as then you're exposing yourself to the same problem. If your server dies, all that data dies with it. You wanna incrementally save it back every so often
Redis is more for ephemeral data, i.e. data that if it's lost it's like "ok whatever, can get that shit back pretty easy and it's not a big deal"
you don't want to put mission critical data in there
lean kiln
guava has caches like that too
potent fossil
and if you do put mission critical data in there, you need to be very careful about how you manage it
@lean kiln yep caffeine is guava caches pulled out and modified a bit
lean kiln
ah
limpid comet
Oh interesting
I've never heard of this library
Thank you
Yeah this looks super useful
potent fossil
Yea np
limpid comet
Still going to switch to MariaDB though, wasn't aware of Mongo's data loss problem
After doing some research, definitely don't want to be worrying about that
potent fossil
It's only an issue if you don't run it as a cluster
limpid comet
even if we're at a small scale now
potent fossil
Standalone yes, but clusterized mongo is fine
fallen oracle
Mongo data loss? o.o
potent fossil
And that is something a lot of people ignore
limpid comet
Well, guess who doesn't run it as a cluster monka
fallen oracle
Simple hop in my DMs with a TL;DR tomorrow? 
potent fossil
about wat
fallen oracle
Mongo
limpid comet
I also don't like developing with Mongo's Java driver
limpid comet
JDBC seems just... so much better.
fallen oracle
Cause I'm actively working on a project using mongodb atm
And I know for sure it's not a cluster
potent fossil
It's useful but you definitely need to run it as a cluster, if you don't you're kicking yourself.
It definitely will shit on your project as a standalone
fallen oracle
Is that because of the max thread query thing?
limpid comet
Mongo was useful back when I didn't know how I wanted to structure my data so it helped me with prototyping far faster
but
potent fossil
No it's because it doesn't immediately write to disk
It holds it there for a little bit, so that it can sync to the other nodes. Then it writes it out.
If it dies in that time, poof.
It usually doesn't die, but if it does, then yea
fallen oracle
Can't you just tell the backend to write faster?
If I designed Mongo, it just wouldn't have happened.
Just built different.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
potent fossil
I mean, yeeeah. You can, but that's like a wonky setup.
fallen oracle
I'll keep that in mind for the project I'm working on. Now I can cry a little harder working on it.
potent fossil
It's just not designed that way. But yes
Mongo is most powerful in its querying tho
Faceting as part of query lang is like 🥵
void void
tfw i had data loss with sharding
fallen oracle
Have you ever heard of morphia? The project I got put on uses it as a mongo mapper or something
potent fossil
sharding != clustering tho, that's just moving large data sets to different machines. Your shard can still be made up of single nodes
You need to shard and cluster
void void
i know that
potent fossil
never heard of morphia
not saying you didnt know it, im just adding info for the plebs who dont know mongo
i.e. glare
<3
void void
haha glare pleb
fallen oracle
Haha 😦
limpid comet
I hate morphia
Tried to use it, didn't get it
I ended up using mongo-reactive-streams instead
fallen oracle
This is the first time I'm using it. Not sure if it's that or mongo but I am pretty happy with how fast it loads stuff.
limpid comet
I think it's just mongo
potent fossil
I don't actually use mongo for anything though. It's good to know how it works in general though
limpid comet
You're referring to https://morphia.dev/
fallen oracle
Loaded 1,000 towny towns in under a second
limpid comet
Seems like they've updated
fallen oracle
But that really is just with some default smaller data
Got yelled at for using lists instead of sets today 😭
limpid comet
Oh wow yeah their docs are looking far better
void void
wdym glare
fallen oracle
Someone didn't merge my PR today cause I used a List instead of a Set.
void void
mmm yes and no simple
potent fossil
huh
fallen oracle
I mean I understand why I could use a set there, but like, if you're storing a max of 5 items in there, is the contains() method really going to have that much of a difference/
void void
imo handholding all pr makers like this is not good :p
potent fossil
i didnt say all
i said they could
but i dont know the circumstances. if they weren't assholes about it then whatever
just fix and move on
void void
perhaps i guess
potent fossil
it also depends how many instances needed to be changed
fallen oracle
Gotta love looking at older code and wondering what was going on through my head.
potent fossil
anyway im off for a shower pce
fallen oracle
I'm already noticing back problems starting because of all these classes being online now.
What do you guys do to prevent stuff like this? I got a posture chair or whatever it is that's supposed to help.
fallen oracle
I'm just laying here in bed and noticing my lower back is just throbbing a little bit in pain.
It's not like pain pain but it's there and annoying, you know?
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paperlib probs, simple
it's because Paper offers a lot of new API and features that help plugins operate better, faster, and do more @pale olive
potent fossil
paperlib doesn't say spigot is bad, it says paper has better performance...
which is factual
that is not paper.
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that is not paper yes
potent fossil
that's a plugin, and the dev is a racist asshole
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^ lol
potent fossil
we would not print that in your console
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both?
potent fossil
also where did you download paper
from papermc.io?
ok where did you download spigot
did you get it from buildtools?
that's why you have that message
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that site's illegally hosting jars lol
potent fossil
somebody injected bad code into getbukkit, which is why buildtools is the only safe way to get spigot
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^
potent fossil
i would remove that from your server as fast as possible
and replace it with proper spigot or paper
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replace me 
potent fossil
proper spigot = buildtools
anyway yeah, that's a really terrible message im sorry you had to see that but its neither your plugins nor us. The person who runs getbukkit is clearly a racist asshole who also has no regard for the law since distributing jars for download like that is illegal. BuildTools exists to work around that, and paper has a built in patching system to work around it. Neither of us give you a directly downloadable jar
Any jar download site like that is illegal so please be careful
did you download from papermc.io...
or getbukkit again
where did you get your plugins
there is also a chance i guess that now your server files are infected because you used getbukkit, but the only way i can see them doing that is injecting a plugin into the plugins folder... 
unless they put a datapack in, can they do that?
(i.e. can datapacks log messages)
zealous wedge
so where did you get CMI?
potent fossil
BlackSpigot does leaked plugins (which is bullshit), however in doing so they have the ability to inject whatever code they see fit...
Including shit like that...
So there is your answer.
rose echo
mighty storm
Understandable, no one should ever buy CMI
potent fossil
Nice.
sly ruin
I find it interesting that you use "military time" (what we call it here in the states).
potent fossil
24-hour time is the superior time format
I don't call it military time lmao
It's just...time
sly ruin
maybe it's because I live 5 mins from a Marine Corps camp
oh yeah, pft requirement for army was dropped until 2022.
potent fossil
what
sly ruin
yup
sharp sentinel
pft?
potent fossil
physical fitness test
sly ruin
It's true.
sharp sentinel
lol
potent fossil
i mean, i got kicked out because i didnt pass.....for good reason. if i can pass, how am i going to be able to deal with the physical requirements of the field.
cant*
whats the god damn point
ok anyway, i cant be bothered with that. ima end up ranting all night. ima just go back to my physics
sly ruin
I don't know. Go to college and become an officer?
potent fossil
my captain kicked my ass while i was taking the pft
he lapped me like 3 times
:(
sharp sentinel
Did officers have to complete the PFT too?
potent fossil
in BCT yes
sly ruin
Yes but it's different
sly ruin
but the preparation is different because it's OCS or ROTC instead of the 11 or whatever weeks.
So you prepare throughout college a lot of the time
crystal compass
potent fossil
OCS comes after BCT I thought. Even officers do the same basic training as enlisted. Except instead of going to AIT they go to OCS
could be wrong
who knows, i aint in that life
sly ruin
I don't know. I'm mainly familiar with the Marine Corps so things are probably a little different.
potent fossil
i tell ya tho i regret the fact that i went home every goddamn day :'(
but oh well i aint going back ill tell you that much
sly ruin
yeah so I looked and you were right. Army does do BCT before OCS. Marine Corps doesn't do that.
potent fossil
ah
Not by asking here.
Me already said you aren't banned, so I don't know what to tell you. Did you use an alt account before this one and get banned on that?
sharp sentinel
You're not banned
potent fossil
Because then that explains it
sharp sentinel
So you don't ask anywhere
vestal jasper
I feel like you're getting trolled, Me
potent fossil
Me, if he got banned on a diff account and made a new one then discord itself blocks this new acct from joing
:^)
So he's prob a recent ban
fallen oracle
Maybe you were banned for using leaked plugins?
sharp sentinel
I find Discord's IP bans very rarely work anyway lol
potent fossil
Well for this guy who had no idea why he had offputting messages while using leaked software I'm not convinced he's smart enough to change his IP
potent fossil
ok so here's the thing, me said you're not banned. if it still says you're banned when you tried to join then straight up you're lying
so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dont know what to tell ya
leaden oxideBOT
kikeoslavia#4127 was banned | Racism
limber knotBOT
ah guess it was a troll all along
potent fossil
yes
i follow the opposite philosophy of US criminal justice
it's not innocent until proven guilty
it's troll until proven not
limber knotBOT
guilty until proven innocent, yes
potent fossil
for every new user, period
limber knotBOT
yeah my troll senses were going off
but sometimes it's hard to tell between troll and genuinely that stupid
potent fossil
kekw
sharp sentinel
potent fossil
that just made me almost have a stroke because i can see the spanish in her mouth movements but the subtitle is english
sharp sentinel
What happened tho lol - did guy who claimed to be banned from EH start spamming racist words or whatever?
potent fossil
im not sure if that word is racist but i dont wanna google it to find out
but yes he spammed it
sharp sentinel
I have a feeling I know who it was tbh, we’ve had a spammer at EH who was DM spamming me some words, then they joined as another account and got banned again after sending the same to the bot
Would also explain already being banned
vestal jasper
what'd they do
potent fossil
they spammed a word im not gonna repeat cause idk what it means and im not going to google it
but before that they were just being dumb
vestal jasper
nice
toxic bone
Me when
fallen oracle
Hmm?
waxen panther
Hmmmm
mental meadow
mh
fallen oracle
Morning friends!
mental meadow
nirgbubg+
waxen panther
gmgm
mental meadow
exactly
vernal bone
Stellarspigots dev relased a new sigot fork for 500 
I tought it was a joke, untill I saw that he is actually selling it
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thanks for keeping us informed on the circus
vernal bone
🎪
mossy vessel
Don't give those clowns the attention they seek for smh
vernal bone
Allright 👍
potent fossil
i hate those mfs
waxen panther
lmao
potent fossil
i mean, not even ironically
like, i hate those stupid mfs
with a fiery fury
taco bell booty type fiery
potent fossil
😳
left swift
Who dont u hate simp
potent fossil
I don't hate you either bby
fallen oracle
Thanks Ima go take another shower
potent fossil
good boi
left swift
viral hornet
@potent fossil 🥺
potent fossil
@viral hornet 🥺
viral hornet
come cuddle 🥺
vestal jasper
@fallen oracle take another one
tranquil turret
can you recommend me plugins for an offline 1.16.3 survival server? I rn have AuthMe, CoreProtect, DiscordSRV, Essentials, EssentialsAntiBuild, EssentialsChat, EssentialsGeoIP, EssentialsProtect, EssentialsSpawn, floodgate-bukkit, GroupManager, Landlord, PluginManager, ProtocolLIB, SkinsRestorer, TCPShield, WorldEdit, WorldGuard
I was thinking of getting an advanced biomes plugin to generate more realistic maps
but idk which one is the best out there
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we dont use offline mode, so no recommendations kek
mossy vessel
Typical offline setup lol
vestal jasper
That doesn't even look very inspired ngl
potent fossil
come cuddle 🥺
@viral hornet
I'm back simple. Did you miss me?
@fallen oracle yes
viral hornet
@minor badge how was 🇧 🇮 🇬 test
tranquil turret
yeah I prefer online mode too but we wanted bedrock compatibility and many bedrock users don't have java edition
tranquil turret
oh alright
viral hornet
tranquil turret
also what's wrong with groupmanager?
potent fossil
old
tranquil turret
been thinking about luckperms
viral hornet
MUCH better choice
potent fossil
GP is old, it might be updated on a fork or smth but LP is the modern one to use, please use it
tranquil turret
okay
also, paper kicks people out when they jump over lava for flying
is that something I can somehow fix?
potent fossil
that i havent ever heard of, if you're absolutely certain its not a plugin id file an issue on GitHub and follow the bug report template
tranquil turret
yeah well two people could verify it already
and we tested on a paper server with no plugins at all
thanks
potent fossil
yeah in that case file a bug report
follow the template, it'll help the devs who work on it
tranquil turret
alright
red imp
Hi guys, which no tick view distance do you recommend for survival server?
mossy vessel
s!mple