really no reason to switch anyways
#general
slim nymph
the main flaw MV has HV already has and is getting worse too lol
flaw of trying to do too much in a world plugin
stiff yarrow
the xbox quick resume is pretty clever
slim nymph
does PS support turning off console and being able to resume the game that was open?
talking about current gen
slim nymph
does turning off console = sleep mode?
stiff yarrow
no they are different
sleep mode is the console is on but low power, can still charge controllers etc
console off is literally turning the thing off
in that scenario you can't load back into the game quickly
I always put the ps4 to sleep instead of off
slim nymph
lol to turn xbox off its go pull plug or restart thing
oh man "hey <person> can you turn my ps4 off" "wait i meant sleep mode!!!"
stiff yarrow
I have a PS4 Pro, so I can't speak for what the normal PS4 does
golden gust
normal ps4 does the same thing
slim nymph
quick resume for multiple games is going to be sooooo nice
golden gust
sleep mode is the one further up and recommended
slim nymph
always annoying accidently opening another game killing current
stiff yarrow
I'm assuming the new xbox saves the game state onto the SSD to do the quick resume
slim nymph
yeah
stiff yarrow
like an emulator would do
or a VM
Jumping from one game to the next via Xbox Quick Resume usually clocks in around 8 seconds. this is pretty nice
especially for games that have a huge loading time
yay
wait does RDR2 really take that long to boot
I never counted
I guess this includes the title screen loading
etc
stiff yarrow
I remember that the most for GTAV on PS3 (I only ever played the PS3 version, and I played it at launch with the game running off HDD thx to multiman)
zealous knot
to be honest i feel like waiting even 32 seconds to play your goddamn game is quite a while
stiff yarrow
it is in this day and age
vernal moth
upper flicker
maybe longer even
upper flicker
then again that sata 1 on the ps3 wasnt helping
stiff yarrow
that will be useful for tutoring people
stiff yarrow
once in a blue moon I help someone learn to program via desktop sharing
vernal moth
We do a bunch of pair programming at work
upper flicker
at least it runs well once it does load
gta iv loaded really quickly in comparison, ran like ass
new engine who dis
stiff yarrow
games don't really benefit from nvme at present time tho
vernal moth
Normally via screen share, this is a much nicer solution
Especially since screen share absolutely destroys my poor laptop with a mobile cpu
stiff yarrow
GTAIV is one of those games I could never get to run well through multiple hardware upgrades
just like Morrowind and NWN2
what kind of stuff do you use pair programming for at work mini
upper flicker
it runs fine now, what 12 years later?
get like 90fps pretty solid on it, x hardware generations later
vernal moth
Debugging dum issues mostly
upper flicker
clearly still not very well optimized though, still runs poorly compared to other games
vernal moth
Since two ppl are way faster at that than just one
stiff yarrow
I have yet to play GTAIV on my most recent hardware
upper flicker
games for windows live was removed
so at least it isnt cancer to run now
no more modding it just to start it
golden gust
i play on a iMac, it's very, erm...
golden gust
I gotta retweak the settings, I had it working nicer until I erm... did the legal thing...
vernal moth
It works really well
stiff yarrow
@upper flicker I ranted about how DRM ruined FF15 performance the other day in this channel, there was a no-drm executable SE accidentally posted that people used to pirate the game, this executable doubled as a no-lag executable
slim nymph
@stiff yarrow pair programming = screen share lol but i just linked this code with aikarme to coworkers
vernal moth
Sadly most of my coworkers don't use IJ 😂
slim nymph
our entire team minus 1 uses phpstorm
vernal moth
Either they do mostly web stuff and thus VSC, or they eclipse cause that's what company provides
upper flicker
lol nossr
slim nymph
yeah this one uses vsc even though he has php storm ._.
vernal moth
Only my apprentices I successfully converted to IJ
minor badge
you use what you know and love, aikar
vernal moth
Nobody here loves eclipse
slim nymph
he knows phpstorm lol.
minor badge
but does he love it
slim nymph
probably, just he loves vsc more
minor badge
i know how to use windows, but doesn't make me wanna harm myself that way
stiff yarrow
I made myself try out IJ when I came back to work on Java (after a long period of not working on Java), I was an eclipse boy, but I saw the light very quickly, first thing I did was learn the keybindings and its been nirvana ever since
stiff yarrow
.g VSC
slim nymph
blasphemy
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stiff yarrow
I like VSC but I don't use it much outside of editing config files atm
vernal moth
I like how a Ms product has a MacOS Screenshot
golden gust
I tried getting into VSC, but there is nothing it does that jetbrains stuff doesn't seem to do better
bar maybe restructuredtext
slim nymph
mine has an ubuntu screenshot
golden gust
the IJ plugin for that was arse last I recall
slim nymph
it looks up your os
golden gust
well, yea, but, default hotlink image thing
vernal moth
Am on android, and ye, meant embedd
slim nymph
oh
void void
😊
vernal moth
And everbody knows Linux = Ubuntu
slim nymph
void void
yeah i use vs code
vernal moth
Ye
void void
used it for c it was good
vernal moth
I get the same screenshot on android
void void
had an extension for it
stiff yarrow
I think I used the one without Microsoft branding on it
stiff yarrow
how are the other jetbrains IDE
vernal moth
I use VSC as a text editor, when am to lazy to open a full IJ project, or when using a lang jetbrains doesn't really support
vernal moth
Equally good nossr
vernal moth
It's always called code
slim nymph
every ide is essentially IDEA but different plugins and UI layouts / debugger setups
golden gust
vscodium or something like that
stiff yarrow
are they similar in quality
slim nymph
though web/phpstorm is tailored to single module, its hard to do multiple modules (but it is doable)
stiff yarrow
because IDEA is super dope
golden gust
VSC is nice as a fancy text editor or for the odd lang that IJ doesn't have a good plugin for, etc
golden gust
But, in general, they're defo far from being as fast as IJ, etc; but, it works
stiff yarrow
does JB have a C/C++ IDE yet
vernal moth
I had really good experience with rider and clion recently
slim nymph
yes, Rider
vernal moth
Yeah clion
slim nymph
or wait yeah
stiff yarrow
hows that
golden gust
Rider is c#
slim nymph
rider is the .net one
wide chasm
CLion is fine, just not as good as IJ imo
vernal moth
Clion was always the worst of them all in my experience, but has been getting ton of love recently
It's better than VS for sure
slim nymph
if you dont have all access, dont buy a 2nd jb product, buy all access. its cheaper to get the entire toolbox than pay for 2 apps separately
stiff yarrow
when I last worked in C++ VS seemed to be the best but it had MS weirdness in it
slim nymph
unless one of your apps is webstorm as its cheaper the math might work out diff lol
stiff yarrow
whats the price of the all access sub
vernal moth
I am not really a c/c++ pro, but clion did everything I wanted
Depends on your discount
slim nymph
vernal moth
My next payment is 110 euro or smth iirc
slim nymph
250 initial
stiff yarrow
when I last worked in C++ most IDEs were pretty bad, VS was the least bad but it was Visual C++ and not normal C++, although no compiler was truly C++ standards compliant at that time
vernal moth
And it setting cheaper the first two years
wide chasm
As long as it isn't Codeblocks it's fine
stiff yarrow
.g EAP
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slim nymph
lol
wide chasm
Early Access Preview
slim nymph
Early Access Program
wide chasm
Well that one probably
cosmic raft
huh
slim nymph
typically EAP's are demo builds that you can use for free as its an EAP license
cosmic raft
https://www.openssh.com/txt/release-8.4
It is now possible[1] to perform chosen-prefix attacks against the
SHA-1 algorithm for less than USD$50K. For this reason, we will be
disabling the "ssh-rsa" public key signature algorithm by default in a
near-future release.
slim nymph
but once it hits RC it goes back to normal license
stiff yarrow
is that the price of paying a botnet to brute force it or their estimate for your electricity bill
slim nymph
update you mean 😛
cosmic raft
not sure nossr
slim nymph
if you arent using jetbrains toolbox to manage installs, move to it
stiff yarrow
imagine paying some guy in russia to bruteforce a password for 50k
sketchiest transaction in history
vernal moth
Yeah I moved long time ago
slim nymph
@stiff yarrow if that password was to an important person, thats nothing
upper flicker
50k is the one time cost for the infra to do it
so nothing the NSA, fortune 1000 company, etc doesnt have already
stiff yarrow
my SOs on site training is done and now I need to go pick her up (1 vehicle woes) brb
void void
Hey, can anyone help me appraise some work?
I want to do a job for someone but I really have no idea how to value the work, could someone quote it for me?
fervent kite
anyone know how to set up prism on windows? im having a hard time setting up mariadb
im hoping to get this done with no mysql experience
if anyone has knowedge about this i would really appreciate it. ive been looking up this all over the place and theres little to no tutorials
heady spear
@heady spear
The default world settings in Hyperverse are to not generate structures at all. I brought it up and never received a response. Had a negative effect on us and other plugins don't have Hyperverse as a depend which causes many problems. We decided to switch back to the long standard Multiverse since everything seems to work with it and have never had an issue with it.
@spare venture
Where did you contact us?
The generate structures setting is one you supply when you create the world, for what it's worth. The command might be somewhat confusing, most people seem to be able to figure it out, but that's why we're remaking it
to then claim that we don't care about issues at all is not even true
but you obviously just joined to start shit again sooooo 🤷♂️
oh lmao he's not even here
cool
marble lark
hey guys
is adding features to Paper through a patch allowed
I've been thinking about adding the ability for scoreboard to track mob statistics (Cause right now you can only track player health)
wide chasm
Sure, feel free to fork it and add a patch to it
mossy vessel
rip City
plain mica
hey, does anyone know a good plugin for residences?
mossy vessel
GriefPrevention seems to be what people use to claim land
plain mica
Is it compatible with 1.16.3?
minor badge
yes
twin lagoon
aternos
waxen panther
aternos
next wind
i really hope your not trying to run a server for anything other than your friends on aternos...
marble lark
Holy hell remember how Combat Test 6 for 1.16 allowed you to hold down attack and keep hitting instead of having to click all the time
I just discovered that if you have combat cooldown disabled (Like on most servers) that feature becomes an inbuilt autoclicker
twin lagoon
i have never seen a server before that disables combat cooldown on 1.9
cosmic raft
I have
void void
Void map in nether 🙂
marble lark
i havent ever played a server past 1.8.8
@worn ember Well this combat test does give you a reason to play one now 😛
I just checked with the Mojang deobfuscation map and there's no inbuilt timer for how fast it clicks so it runs on every game loop
worn ember
i dont even play minecraft lol
marble lark
20CPS autoclicker ftw
They really need to improve Mob Pathfinding tbh
would make survival much more interesting
void void
The best plugin description forever 🙂
slim nymph
720 matt is better
marble lark
can't say much about the graphics since the vanilla combat test minecraft client runs at 160FPS on my PC with all graphics settings set to maximum, and with me flying full speed ahead and loading chunks, while it used to do like 30FPS
hiring an OpenGL specialist really was a smart move
720 matt is better
1440matt
lean kiln
Xbox 720
sly ruin
420 matt
slim nymph
updating to latest opengl does a lot too. Sodium does amazing to the fps
void void
720 matt is better
@slim nymph but after I feel like throwing up 🤣
lean kiln
without sodium mc is unplayable on my RX5700xt
slim nymph
how old is that card
marble lark
Sodium and all those mods haven't actually boosted my FPS oddly enough
lean kiln
not old
void void
Sodium ❤️
slim nymph
im on a 970 and its ok but fps isnt highest
lean kiln
marble lark
Vanilla Minecraft used to do like 30FPS on minimum graphics on my PC
void void
slim nymph
youve done something wrong if sodium didnt boost your fps sherman
lean kiln
its because vanilla uses some outdated opengl which the amd driver sucks for
marble lark
now at max settings it goes over 100 and this is the vanilla client
lean kiln
by using gl 4.3 alone sodium makes my fps from sub 60 to over 500
marble lark
youve done something wrong if sodium didnt boost your fps sherman
Not only Sodium didn't work
slim nymph
yeah
lean kiln
cuz stupid drivers
marble lark
Optifine
slim nymph
optifine is crap
marble lark
everything else basically didn't work
slim nymph
sodium is the real winner
optifine is a bunch of hacks, where as sodium is genuine upgrades
marble lark
it took the base game to update before Minecraft became playable
that's because Sodium has access to the base code or something like that I think
since it uses Fabric
slim nymph
it has same access as optifine
slim nymph
just more competent developer
marble lark
by using gl 4.3 alone sodium makes my fps from sub 60 to over 500
Holy
lean kiln
its bc of the bad amd drivers for old opengl
marble lark
that's even faster than Minecraft Bedrock Edition runs on my PC
slim nymph
who will hopefully keep updating her mods even though she works for hytale now 😛
marble lark
Oh Hytale
slim nymph
hytale snagged up a lot of good talent
slim nymph
they did
marble lark
they did what
slim nymph
they wrote their own engine
marble lark
oh wow
seems like Hytale's going to become Skyrim Minecraft if you ask me looks like a massive RPG
slim nymph
it looks to be everything we wish minecraft was
marble lark
not really tbh imo it's kind of more an RPG but with Minecraft mechanics
IE the best of both
slim nymph
hytale is what hypixel wishes MC was, but has its own base game, but just how minecraft is, its a foundation for building OTHER game types
with more power for developers
marble lark
one thing I can say is Hytale probably going to put RPGs out of business
some of them at least
xd
slim nymph
um no
marble lark
only thing I don't like is the graphics they look pretty weird
slim nymph
hytale is a sandbox game, its not a rich story based rpg
marble lark
maybe my definition of RPG is a little off idk
slim nymph
the graphics are literally like a clone of the damn art style every cookie cutter minecraft server designs their logos around
marble lark
I thought it just meant interactive in an extreme manner xd
slim nymph
they are targetting their audience
marble lark
the characters look a little Roblox like
that's what I thought when I first saw it
wonder how skywars is going to be like on Hytale
marble lark
I can't judge the PVP since I'm not god but I don't really like the graphic style lel
would be interesting if Hytale watched game theory's Minecraft episodes and used some of it as inspiration for Hytale mechanics tbh
slim nymph
why would they need to watch videos, they are the largest mc server, they got all the experience they need
marble lark
not game design I meant feature wise
I know they have experience haha
They're partnered with the developer that made some game called Valorant or something no?
plenty of help there too
zealous knot
Jan truck
finite wave
I'm reading the bible
slim nymph
i feel sory for you
void void
bruh
slim nymph
?ban @split yew spam/troll
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mossy vessel
slim nymph
what did i even do, i havent even banned anyone lately
mossy vessel
Doesn't Dyno prevent the spam of repetitive messages?
slim nymph
yeah it auto muted them
mossy vessel
gotcha
void void
@exotic folio
slim nymph
?ban @exotic folio troll
leaden oxideBOT
papermc-is-shit.software#7316 was banned | troll
void void
LOL
mossy vessel
Damn, people are wild today
burnt grove
oof
marble lark
"the developer"
I don't actually know what the dev team is called
minor badge
Riot Games, Inc.
marble lark
ah yes Riot Games
all my irl friends deadass can't stop playing that game
no one plays MC with me ;-;
sly ruin
Does anyone know what lang Hytale will use for scripting?
novel horizon
Yeah, but you could use Google as I did
"Hytale’s client is written in C#, and servers run on Java"
void void
"omg java leaks memory wtf hytale sucks"
slim nymph
they asked about scripting, not game lang 😛
@sly ruin its some kind of json syntax: https://hytale.com/news/2019/4/an-introduction-to-building-npc-behaviors
novel horizon
it's fine, they can take it from there and find more info ^^
novel horizon
I don't know how to feel about Hytale, heard about that, but don't care about that, if it's meant to be like MC or MC:Dungeons in one game, or whatever 🤷
Yeah
slim nymph
its meant to be minecraft as a better platform to build custom experiences
im def jealous of it
slim nymph
the only way hytale will fail is if they fail to put enough marketing dollars behind it to REALLLLLLY push hard to take a decent swing at growth
on a technical level, everything we know so far is superior
novel horizon
Yeah, it definitely needs some marketing to get into more people
slim nymph
the youtube trailer got really good views
novel horizon
Not just few that heard about it or know about it directly from other sources
slim nymph
they need to hit hard, physical advertising
get all the kids talking about it
and then itll take off
novel horizon
But still MC kinda have lot of potentional, mods and such, should be available there too, but still, kinda hard to say
Might be really great, or average, but hard to say
slim nymph
well mcs potential is roadblocked by the fact java isnt even prioritized to get a lot of these improvements...
novel horizon
Still long time to see that
slim nymph
you gotta go to bedrock to get some of the same stuff
and theyve made no commitments to even bring the good stuff to java
novel horizon
Yeah, sure, there are some things
potent fossil
Los of trolls today huh?
limber knotBOT
Don't worry, the open source community will fix java! /s
novel horizon
But I feel weird about the name, Hytale from Hypixel, don't like it much, if the game will be great though, why not try it
Would be great to play a nicely optimized game with good mods too
slim nymph
whats weird about it?
novel horizon
I'm not sure, I have this .. feeling, I don't like big servers kinda, or some of them
I just feel sceptical about it
limber knotBOT
I personally just wont touch it because of the human rights violation attached to them lmao
novel horizon
? 🤔
limber knotBOT
Riot Games, owned by Tencent, bought Hypixel Studios. Tencent is THE Chinese tech and investement company
novel horizon
Oh, right
limber knotBOT
China is one of the leading countries in regards to Human Rights violations
novel horizon
I didn't even knew they bought Hypixel Studios, lol
slim nymph
you prob play other games tecent has a share in
limber knotBOT
I try not to
slim nymph
tencent has their hands in like almost everything
novel horizon
Epic Games, Riot Games mostly
limber knotBOT
stopped playing with friends that just wanted to play LoL
novel horizon
Ubisoft, Blizzard just a few % it seems
slim nymph
no, way more lol
limber knotBOT
stopped playing Rocket League after they were bought by Epic
novel horizon
They have much more, but in a lot of them just few % 🤔
Yeah, I don't like Epic
And their way of "helping" people
slim nymph
what if i worked for epic games!
limber knotBOT
I actually liked Epic before they went full corporate shitlords
novel horizon
You can work for them, I don't care 🤷 you do you ^^
novel horizon
Doesn't mean that if you work for them you support them in every decision anyway
limber knotBOT
I mean if you like getting blood money...
slim nymph
thats a bit far
novel horizon
😄
I don't feel like that, but they def feel like a shit studio sometimes, what they doing and saying
limber knotBOT
I get that people need money for a living but if one has the choice one should choose the income which was made with less human suffering and genocides attached
novel horizon
even Tim Sweeney or what his name is
humble falcon
yeah you might be slightly exaggerating it phoenix lol
limber knotBOT
that guy (imo) single handedly killed any form of linux support which epic originally had
novel horizon
Well, as I said, Hytale might be nice, i just feel weird/a little bit sceptical about some things, but we'll see.. I might just stay at MC, but it's hard to say, because Hytale might be in public access even in few years or later, so
limber knotBOT
what exactly? The human rights violations of the CCP?
novel horizon
Right now I was looking it's closed beta or something
limber knotBOT
because I don't think so, lmao
novel horizon
Not Riot
zealous knot
same shit different package
limber knotBOT
well you recall wrong: https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/16/21223667/riot-games-league-of-legends-hypixel-studios-minecraft-hytale
novel horizon
Yeah, like it might be from head off Tencent, but still
limber knotBOT
also I love that Wikipedia lists the sole reeason byhind Hytale as being caused by Mojang limiting microstransactions lmao
novel horizon
Should be under Riot Games now
slim nymph
that was an igniter
worn ember
if they have micro transitions they can fuck off
limber knotBOT
I have to note that for the coming anti-Hytale campaign 👀
slim nymph
literally was part of their early motto
novel horizon
What was their motto?
zealous knot
how long has this bullshit been in dev so far?
slim nymph
something about minecraft giving you shackles, hytale will give you wings
limber knotBOT
"we want kid's moneyz!!!"
zealous knot
feels like ages
worn ember
few years
novel horizon
lol
that sounds like bs
tbh
to say it like that
kinda weird
but maybe we'll have wings later 🤷
slim nymph
well i sorta agree, both sides were right, and mojang agreed, and mojang changed the rules to re-allow things
worn ember
as long as they dont have those oversized bats idc
slim nymph
people just want to build shit, and want to make money off it
slim nymph
sure theres the valid idea ot make it fair, and not pay to win
but p2w is opinionated
worn ember
hytale 18+ confirmed
slim nymph
as long as by kids you mean actual KIDS and not teenagers, sure.
novel horizon
18+ 
zealous knot
that kind of stupid considering that there's no doubt most of the hypixel players are under 18
limber knotBOT
I have zero issue with someone over 18 blowing all their cash on game stuff
but as long as you advertise to kids without any state supervision I will have an issue with it
especially if you have gambling
novel horizon
Yeah
Like Fortnite kinda was doing
To use "kids" that play Fortnite against Apple and such, there was some campaigns in Fortnite and info about that
slim nymph
theres a middle ground here. the key is dont be shitty. there are plenty of cases where teens legit get parents permission to buy stuff. if parents are involved, sure.
limber knotBOT
straight out of the capitalist's playbook: use anything you have to get an advantage
well yeah, but then the purchase would be made by an adult for their child
minor badge
if you're first gonna sell to younger folks, make sure to be a good enough person to issue refunds :p either you'd have taken the money of a 10 yr old, or you might as well get chargebacked
limber knotBOT
if sellers don't put protection in place to stop children buying stuff on their own just because they happen to have the parent's credit card number or paypal is always logged in then there is an issue
granted that is a bigger issue than just Minecraft
novel horizon
Still it's weird - so I feel weird about Hytale because it just.. feels like another game to grab money, like not all other are not, sure, they want money, but still
slim nymph
you cant put in protection for that
limber knotBOT
you can, make it require ID verification
slim nymph
the only way to stop that is to have parent/child relationship accounts
limber knotBOT
that's what we have digital IDs for 👀
limber knotBOT
without the PIN they couldn't do shit
limber knotBOT
and if the child steals that then...
minor badge
*depends where you are and all
slim nymph
pin? US doesnt have pins on CC's
minor badge
norway doesn't normally issue new CCs with ID anymore
novel horizon
You don't need the verification code from phone or something when you pay?
limber knotBOT
but the US being backwards in that regard doesn't help lol
slim nymph
nope
novel horizon
I do in most cases, lol
slim nymph
the only pin is the # found on the card, CVV2
limber knotBOT
yeah, credit cards are Pepega af
slim nymph
and debits can be ran as credit
novel horizon
Not always, it depends on your preference too, but mostly when I pay on the internet, it redirects me to my bank or so and needs a verification code from phone
credit cards 🤮
slim nymph
point is, your not gonna do shit about the kids that literally purchase w/o permission
slim nymph
thats the parents job to prtoect their finances, not server owners by denying them the ability to purchase
modern narwhal
In EU, you need to clarify credit card use thrue internet bank. But there is possibility to make payment with phone number.
twin lagoon
credit cards lulw
slim nymph
unless you do a video call or phone call (and even phone can be faked), you dont know its an adult
novel horizon
Yeah and especially if we're talking about a big game
slim nymph
and if a service asked you to do a video call to approvw the purchase, would you do it?
i sure wouldnt
novel horizon
Imagine some big games trying to verify adult purchases
Would be thousands hourly easily
slim nymph
even porn companies dont do that
lean kiln
lol was about to say that
limber knotBOT
I mean there are other ways to prove it, e.g. I had to go to the German Post office to very my identiy when I tried purchasing my first server ten years or so back xD
*verify
slim nymph
yes and noones going to do that
if it takes more effort to buy from a small busisness minecraft server than the largest porn site to buy something, it aint happening
limber knotBOT
well ideally, once you are verified you wouldn't need to do it again. e.g. like a paypal account and if parents leave that logged in I guess its their fault
novel horizon
It's their fault too that kid stole their card
lean kiln
thats the parents job to prtoect their finances, not server owners by denying them the ability to purchase
imo kinda all goes back to this
limber knotBOT
but I guess it's not solvable entirely by technology alone
slim nymph
you run into "why would i put in all this effort" and they just wont do it
novel horizon
It depends on a lot of things, like some education kinda
limber knotBOT
shuning advertising gambling to a playbase that is very likely to have kids would be a good start lol
slim nymph
now stuff like storing CC on file so the kid can keep re-charging w/o parent yeah goes into its own area
novel horizon
Because I wouldn't do such thing at all, I knew what money was about early, but still, even when I was younger, stealing something from someone's wallet? oh man
modern narwhal
paypal check your identity, if there is total transactions over some amount. You need to send copy of ID, copy of phone or electric bill, etc. But of, you can make new paypal account if they lock your old one.
slim nymph
but like my own store, you have to pay by paypal, a parent shouldnt be sharing their password with their child. if they did, then thats on them giving consent to child to purchase. they shouldnt do that
limber knotBOT
pretty sure making a new one in that case is a ToS violation though
novel horizon
lol Jafarin, I feel like that's sometimes too much
limber knotBOT
but paypal wouldn't care, they make money off of you
slim nymph
i doubt kids are making new paypal accounts?
dont say that publicly, PP will terminate your account even if you are 18 now
worn ember
not like making a new paypal account magically gives you money
lean kiln
yeah didnt say it
modern narwhal
They locked my account, when I got 2000 euros transactions
lean kiln
xD
slim nymph
plus you can pay w/o a paypal account too w/ the CC
limber knotBOT
so what's your paypal email, jmp? not asking for anything specific 👀
lean kiln
hehe
slim nymph
worn ember
i got my account blocked by paypal when i was like 14 when i made more than 2.5k in a year and had to provide legal documents
novel horizon
But I feel like some companies overdo it, I saw some posts about Epic
slim nymph
this is why kids should operate under parents accounts to get started 😛
worn ember
tencent 👀
twin lagoon
dumbest fucking company to exist
novel horizon
I can't find the one I'm talking about, but something like this https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/g9t62x/epic_demands_a_photocopy_of_my_passport_in_order/
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Epic demands a photocopy of my passport in order to change account... : fuckepic - 106 comments, 898 points - Phounus, 5mo ago
twin lagoon
amazing
slim nymph
which is worse, EA or epic?
twin lagoon
epic
novel horizon
lol epic
lean kiln
eas games are worse
worn ember
they both suck
limber knotBOT
lmao, that Tim Sweeny popup on that sub
twin lagoon
nah EA games is just bad with the transactions yeah
although that's really just in some games
it's not as bad as it used to be imo
marble lark
"Hytale’s client is written in C#, and servers run on Java"
HOld up they wrote the entire game in C#
worn ember
ea*for selling half assed games and then selling patches as dlc's
worn ember
and epic for literally taking whatever they can get their hands on
lean kiln
madden 20 kek
twin lagoon
tim sweeney is just 
limber knotBOT
biggest issue with Epic that I have is that they killed UT4 ;_;
iirc it's only one guy working on it in his "free time" anymore
marble lark
HOld up they wrote the entire game in C#
That's basically Minecraft written in Java 2.0 lol
finite wave
Cocksuckers
marble lark
biggest issue with Epic that I have is that they killed UT4 ;_;
@phoenix616#0000 what's that
worn ember
novel horizon
Aikar found that they using some JSON too or so
limber knotBOT
what's what?
marble lark
what's YT4
modern narwhal
Banks are worst. If you put 500 euros cash on your ouwn account, you need to clarify where you got it. If you dont tell, they can lock you bank account
marble lark
UT*
limber knotBOT
Unreal Tournament 4...
worn ember
@marble lark plot twist almost every unity game is written in C#
twin lagoon
Banks are worst. If you put 500 euros cash on your ouwn account, you need to clarify where you got it. If you dont tell, they can lock you bank account
where the fuck do you live
lol
modern narwhal
In EU
finite wave
Yeah Michael, 500 cash is nothing
twin lagoon
^
novel horizon
In some states you need to do that
finite wave
Unless you are some sketchy idiot they wouldn't care.
twin lagoon
i think the only time my bank would intervene is when i get some random 5 digit number
limber knotBOT
actually last commit to that repo was 2017 :S
worn ember
its to prevent fraud
lean kiln
if my bank asked me why I have 500$ im getting a new bank
novel horizon
Sometimes they don't ask about the money, but they might and if you don't answer, they gonna call the police or so
finite wave
I think i just need to declare it on my taxes and they wouldn't care less.
novel horizon
Didn't happen to me yet, so I'm clear 👀
marble lark
@marble lark plot twist almost every unity game is written in C#
@worn ember Not really they're scripted in C#
modern narwhal
In Europe, they dont call police. They close your account and wait until you give proofs where you got money
slim nymph
its not to prevent fraud lol
potent fossil
i mean banks here will do that too, but the rule is not >$500 (or euro, or whatever). There are a lot of systems that the transaction passes through which can each independently raise red flags
slim nymph
its to make it harder for criminals
worn ember
my dad is not reporting some work hes doing and making them pay on my bank account... so if he gets caught i'm in trouble too...
twin lagoon
what simple said
worn ember
i didnt even give him permission lmao
next wind
Not really they're scripted in C#
@marble lark huh?
novel horizon
Yeah it's all weird
potent fossil
And if you've been raised a red flag before, that in itself is a red flag
twin lagoon
unity's scripting language is C#
limber knotBOT
just open a new bank account, ded
twin lagoon
runtime is c++
potent fossil
So you will get more stops than usual
marble lark
Game Engines use scripts that's what I meant
next wind
oh thanks michael
limber knotBOT
(with a different bank) and move shit over to that one
worn ember
i skript in java
modern narwhal
yeah, but all my money will stay in old account
slim nymph
if your using some small person bank account and dumping large sums of money, banks raise eyebrows if its illegally obtained
next wind
yeah i didnt know that it used something other than c# for the actual program
marble lark
when I say written I mean literally the entire game is written from the ground up like Minecraft
slim nymph
if you buy a house, they go over every line in past X years of statements
twin lagoon
literally never had any issues with my bank
slim nymph
and they want to know where all the money came from
twin lagoon
am in the EU aswell
never had to declare anything odd, even with 4 digit cryptocurrency transfers
cyan nova
booscript masterrace, oh wait they've removed it
modern narwhal
One my friend too 2000 euros cash from bank for trip to Spain. They asked why he need so much cash 🙂
took*
marble lark
Yeah sorry I don't consider using a Game Engine as writing a game, I call that scripting
@marble lark huh?
twin lagoon
i mean, if you're converting it to actual cash
limber knotBOT
"coke and hookers" 👀
worn ember
he cashing out
potent fossil
It's not just the amount, though. It has to do with where the money came from. It might seem xenophobic, but if it's coming from the middle east then it's a red flag. Same for switzerland.
novel horizon
I found the thing I was talking about finally, there was few of them, not just this one, but here it is
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/iw9h8p/deleting_my_epic_games_account/
and this is the important image https://i.imgur.com/Vc1I9fe.jpg
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Deleting my Epic Games account : fuckepic - 32 comments, 571 points - Eclipsan, 8d ago
worn ember
they just mad cuz banks use money they dont have
lean kiln
slim nymph
im sure the covid checks would of been non standard to a lot of poor people for banks, but the checks made it clear what
worn ember
and if everyone takes their money they go bankrupt
novel horizon
That image is quite funny
next wind
why does any one care what you call scripting a game?
limber knotBOT
I once withdraw 2k€ via a bank teller, they didn't even bat an eye lmao
worn ember
so i program html?
slim nymph
eh writing game and scripting are completely different
scripting canbe exposed to end users
limber knotBOT
(I just told them that I need to move it to a different account and they didn't want to transfer it because it was a different bank)
next wind
yeah theyre different, but does it really matter?
cyan nova
I found the thing I was talking about finally, there was few of them, not just this one, but here it is
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/iw9h8p/deleting_my_epic_games_account/
and this is the important image https://i.imgur.com/Vc1I9fe.jpg
that seems excessive... yet I am not surprised anymore. The amount of anticonsumer policies these companies have is astonishing
novel horizon
Nothing matters 
worn ember
You have unix in your name, i only talk to windows users 
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Deleting my Epic Games account : fuckepic - 32 comments, 563 points - Eclipsan, 8d ago
novel horizon
Yeah, Moros, it seems quite weird, like so many things? what the hell
I couldn't even provide some almost
next wind
windows and linux here 
novel horizon
The funny thing is provide the following info within 5 days, lol
modern narwhal
Yeah. Phoniex, It is funny part. If you know what to say, they stop asking. Any lie is fine for banks. They dont really care.
limber knotBOT
they aren't allowed to ask that under the GPDR so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
slim nymph
i doubt they meant provide all
modern narwhal
but if you dont want tell, you are trouble even it is legal money
twin lagoon
that just sounds like a scuffed EU country
i wouldn't expect anything like that here
novel horizon
Look at that mail though, seems quite like that, provide everything
worn ember
@cyan nova thats why we have GDPR lul
slim nymph
they sent that email from protonmail, so i assume the email doesnt matcch the accounts email, which is perfectly valid for epic to require more details
modern narwhal
Thanks for contract between USA and EU. USA get all information about bank transactions in EU banks
slim nymph
you cant send a GDPR request from a mismatched email
novel horizon
I feel like it would be the mail which way registered on Epic though
modern narwhal
ok. Main reason are terrorist and 9/11
slim nymph
could be, but maybe not.
novel horizon
I don't have Epic account still too, even tho some of people around me have
No free game is worth that, thanks
worn ember
"Charlie Romeo" tho
novel horizon
Like I have games to play, so I don't care
but even if they gave more games, still, nope
worn ember
i only have an epic account to yoink free games i'll never play
novel horizon
Xbox Game Pass was much better for me
Yeah I'm not even doing that, because I won't play them there anyway
worn ember
it takes like 5 tries to get the epic launcher to launch properly tho
slim nymph
ive never even seen epic launcher
cyan nova
I think I have an epic account that i used a couple years ago to develop in UE3 and UE4, I wonder if it's still active and how difficult it would be to delete it
worn ember
it looks quite slick tbh
potent fossil
just about every transaction that comes into/out of the US financial system (this is before it hits the actual dest bank) goes thru the OFAC and the sender or recipient is an OFAC match, they have to do this whole process which can take up to a week hence funds held https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/faqs/5
novel horizon
there was a lot of bugs, like for real
potent fossil
also they have to evaluate it for AML
novel horizon
sometimes not responding, whole launcher black and such things
slim nymph
im thankfully about 20+ feet away from windows for most of my day
worn ember
the ui isnt bad at all, but yeah theres a lot of visual glitches and weird bugs
slim nymph
only windows in this house is my wifes PC in her woman-cave lol
novel horizon
lol ^^
slim nymph
her exact response would be "uh, no"
novel horizon
the only thing I would play is.. idk, Satisfactory seems nice, no way I'm getting it now though, on Steam, quite expensive for me now
worn ember
you switching side too simple?
slim nymph
thats my living room
novel horizon
Watch Dogs 2 playing this right now, bought it on Steam with like 7 DLC for 15 €
slim nymph
my PC is up against my couch
potent fossil
@worn ember what side, explain yourself
worn ember
finite wave
Excuse me Man cave and woman cav
novel horizon
To be honest, I kinda like to look at reddit and fuckepic subreddit
potent fossil
lol LTT is having a hard time getting through Epic's captchas live right now
finite wave
is this their asshole?
potent fossil
5 in a row
finite wave
Or like their office
modern narwhal
woman cave has everything what is needed for make food and cakes?
modern narwhal
😉
twin lagoon
haha LOL
worn ember
@modern narwhal stfu and make me a sandwich
novel horizon
🤦
worn ember
am hungry 
finite wave
we are just a piece of meat,
slim nymph
Lmao I just found an old photo have to share back when diago was smaller
finite wave
Men shall become one with their wives, as they become one piece of meat.
stiff yarrow
IS THAT A CAT 
potent fossil
Diago 
slim nymph
top of cat tree yes lol
minor badge
how abt we drop the borderline sexist tone
stiff yarrow
more pics of this cat
potent fossil
i agree proxi
novel horizon
You mean cat on the mushroom? 👀
modern narwhal
Ok. I have one friend who have "woman cave" and there is big TV, computer, fridge and nice sofa.
finite wave
No shit
slim nymph
stiff yarrow
twin lagoon
novel horizon
that face lol
finite wave
blep
novel horizon
potent fossil
worn ember
thats a cute pupper
modern narwhal
oh, and She have big table for playing card games.
She have better cave what I have. :/
slim nymph
novel horizon
oh my god
novel horizon
i was cleaning my glasses and that looked totally like a horror move pic >.<
slim nymph
thats my boy Max. hes such a love ball
twin lagoon
slim nymph
novel horizon
some strange file 👀
stiff yarrow
slim nymph
why didnt it embed
modern narwhal
If you dont stop playing with PC, Max will show love?
cyan nova
i don't think your cat approves your code
novel horizon
no file extension?
twin lagoon
novel horizon
shows without it, at least for me
vestal jasper
love ball
That face
It's only a matter of time before he kills and eats you in your sleep
modern narwhal
My dog do just same early morning when I should get up. It do it 4am, 7am and 10am. :/ When I sleep?
slim nymph
twin lagoon
cute uwu
slim nymph
Not a cat but the only time I've wasted margaritas, couldn't finish it I would of been smashed and I was on lunch break
modern narwhal
hmmm. I think I will change my dog for cat...or maybe if I take cat and keep dog...
slim nymph
this was some special "monster", they gave me the wrong order it wasnt what i ordered lol
stiff yarrow
my GF tried making me keto margaritas, they were okay
slim nymph
that size margarita with top shelf tequila would of put me, a 300lb guy with decent tolerance, over the ballmers peak
cyan nova
that's not a glass, that's a bowl
mossy vessel
juicy
stiff yarrow
slim nymph
More recent doggo, she's finally understanding to use her bed instead of stealing his now
slim nymph
Total annihilation hand in star realms. Amazing play I did going from brink of losing to instant win
modern narwhal
ratwailer
golden gust
below knee = not a dog
slim nymph
I literally had 6 life left in that play
stiff yarrow
now you're making me want to go play magic aikar
slim nymph
if my step brother comes back over can prob dust off my magic cards
star realms is super fun if you like deck builder games
my coworker recently sold his magic cards for 15,000$ USD ._.
novel horizon
nice
modern narwhal
When I was in Finland I had 3 cats. One tried teach this dog how to hunt mice without success.
stiff yarrow
if he had all of them it'd be over 15k
slim nymph
had an amazingly strong deck
novel horizon
Still though
Even if it's a nice thing to have, you can "get over it" and want to sell them, it takes quite some space too if you have a big collection
slim nymph
i got back into it a few years ago after TRYING to get back into pokemon and got frustrated instantly how fucking imbalanced that game is
stiff yarrow
I haven't really played legacy since you have to rent a deck to play it or be willing to burn cash
novel horizon
Yeah it's funny, if you understand it later, it is kinda wtf how is this that strong
slim nymph
buy starter eevee deck, win in 3 hands
eevee deck is too easy to evolve, no chance for opponent to have time to even power up to do something about it
so yeah gave em away and got magic.
i enjoy the game, just wish i had more to play with
stiff yarrow
here are some decks from vintage, and yes that is the price to build the deck
the price on these decks can get silly
void void
How to import / create world programmatically and asynchronouslly ??
pls ping me
twin lagoon
i ain't seeing collector's edition rdr2 in that aikar
stiff yarrow
I'd like to take a picture of my collection but GF is working from home (first day) and her desk is setup right next to it and shes in a zoom call and I don't want to incur her wrath
void void
How to do that ?
slim nymph
void void
I would creating and import the world without freeze my scoreboard etc
golden gust
there's an option for it somewhere but no idea if it's in the API cleanly for plugins to use
slim nymph
Magic collection but not all of the deck boxes are filled
golden gust
take a look at how worldedit does it, i guess; or, just set it in your own config
stiff yarrow
part of the reason I have for building a PC for my living room is to play MTGA from my couch
slim nymph
very handy carry case.
other side has zipper compartment for binder w/ rares
and paper for health tracking etc
was a really nice case designed for card players
stiff yarrow
I talked to a guy who had his whole collection stolen because he had it in his backpack or something along those lines
and backpack got yoinked
slim nymph
im hoping to get bakc into gloomhaven with my step brother
stiff yarrow
.g gloomhaven
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://store.steampowered.com/app/780290/Gloomhaven/ -- Gloomhaven on Steam: "Jul 17, 2019 ... Gloomhaven, the digital adaptation of the acclaimed board game, mixes Tactical-RPG and dungeon-crawling. Its challenges, legendary..."
stiff yarrow
interesting
slim nymph
gloomhaven is like DND, but pure rule based, no "make it up" aspects to it
stiff yarrow
I love coop
slim nymph
and no DM means everyones playing
its a total board game rich RPG
gotta make choices that impact story etc
that link was the digital steam edition
board game was 140$ MSRP
stiff yarrow
👀
slim nymph
you see how big it is....
stiff yarrow
so you're talking about the board game?
slim nymph
yeah
stiff yarrow
.g gloomhaven board game
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.amazon.com/Cephalofair-Games-CPH0201-Gloomhaven/dp/B01LZXVN4P -- Gloomhaven: Toys & Games - Amazon.com: "Buy Gloomhaven: Board Games - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases."
stiff yarrow
looks like its on sale atm
stiff yarrow
I bought a few board games but now we don't have roommates anymore and covid happened and now we don't play them
slim nymph
my biggest issue was trying to play with a group i was responsible for driving to pick up and take home 2 of 4
slim nymph
and morep layers = longer games
like we spent 8 hours on 1 boss battle to fail it
its easily 30m-1hr for setup and tear down each stage
so best if you can just leave things out
stiff yarrow
slim nymph
oh right i do have stuff at office i gotta go get
wow gloomhaven has a solid 5 stars on amzon. dont see that often
stiff yarrow
me and the GF were going to board game weekly meetups right before covid
slim nymph
this person went all out blinging gloomhaven https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb1I04i8vF0
gives you an overview of how much shit is going on to play lol
i have a huge kitchen table and it fills it up
i looked at getting someone to paint my mini's, easily 200$ ._.
more than the game itself
this guy man lol
insane
void void
how to unregister a listener by instance ( new x() ) ?
slim nymph
theres an api to unregister it, clal it
void void
I would unregister one only listener without others listeners
slim nymph
HandlerList.unregisterAll(listener)
void void
But I would unregister a listener class only
lean kiln
he just told you how
slim nymph
yes, that does that
lean kiln
store a reference to your listener object
void void
Oh, okay, thx
slim nymph
that does all events for that listener, or do FooEvent.getHandlerLists() or w/e its called and call .unregister on each
void void
lean kiln
https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/1.16/org/bukkit/event/HandlerList.html and the javadoc :P
void void
slim nymph
wtf you doing, keep spawn in memory is an api
void void
I have created my own extended class of JavaPlugin for unregister much ( 😄 ) fast
worn ember
much fast very brrrr
lean kiln
lol
twin lagoon
this will clearly be the best multiverse alternative
void void
🙂
lean kiln
fast async listener registration
twin lagoon
fastasyncworldmanager
lean kiln
kek
potent fossil
is this guy just here to troll
void void
is this guy just here to troll
@potent fossil 10% only / 90% serious
lean kiln
i dont think so he asked the same question in spigot discord
novel horizon
i use multiverse btw 😦
lean kiln
hyperverse 👀
twin lagoon
hyperverse epic
lean kiln
multiverse 100% done 👀
exactly
minor badge
hyperverse has got some weird ass commands atm doe
novel horizon
looking at it
lean kiln
improvements coming soon
novel horizon
is it safe to use?
potent fossil
thats bc its written by a weird ass swede
potent fossil
slim nymph
just use multiverse lol
novel horizon
multiverse still works great for me, so
void void
|| Mwwaaaaooouuuu 🙂 || > Hyperverse > MultiverseCore
lean kiln
yeah agreed for a new server pick one but no need to change
twin lagoon
360matt go back to spigot's discord and just stay there mkay
novel horizon
yeah just kidding a little bit, multiverse working 100% fine for me, so why switch
slim nymph
MV is currently better than HV 😛
HV's making some major flaws
its a world plugin, stop trying to be more
mossy vessel
I've been forced into using HV :(
potent fossil
well this is about to get toxic
slim nymph
toxic?
potent fossil
fleeing to catcord
twin lagoon
the fuck is jackouille
slim nymph
Missed a doggo picture
twin lagoon
doggies
novel horizon
nice 🐶
mossy vessel
void void
The dog have heuuuu ... a ... pussy ... in the foreground
slim nymph
he lays in the seat beside me at all times
twin lagoon
matt are you like 11
novel horizon
lol i kinda missed that message even
void void
11 ? what is it ?
slim nymph
thats literally called colored hair @void void
novel horizon
He's 360
mossy vessel
16, time to go to bed
void void
|| I do not understand ||
worn ember
shush kaaskop
novel horizon
im eating pears right now, anyone hates pears?
slim nymph
2 more days and this couch is gone
only took them near 2 months to deliver my new couch ._.
oh wait over 2
void void
are you going to use a mattress while waiting?
worn ember
you think fitting couches through doors is easy? it takes about 2 months to fit them through all the doors
slim nymph
no, ill just move this out that day and sit at kitchen table or my PC
novel horizon
oh also Aikar, I've seen the website for Empire Minecraft and the difficulty settings for each player is so nice, did you create a plugin for yourself, or you using some that someone made?
limpid comet
hey guys, what's your favourite android emulator?
zealous knot
iOS
minor badge
@twin lagoon uwu
twin lagoon
uwu
slim nymph
@novel horizon all our stuff is custom outside of multiverse, dynmap and some staff tools like worldedit/vanish
novel horizon
thanks ^^ seems like it was a lot of work, looking at it now, looks sick though
slim nymph
survival is a core concept for us.
novel horizon
like the player settings, what the ^^
slim nymph
yep, all our features tie into player settings
novel horizon
they look awesome ^^ like having the choice for that
And random shops port or random residences, that's quite nice too
slim nymph
stuff like anti grief ties into friendship system as well as group system
benefits to having everything developed together
novel horizon
Yeah, I saw that you can control who can break your stuff, seems like a nice thing too
Easy antigrief kinda
Yeah, for sure
But it took a lot of work and you need to know how to do such things, it looks great in the end though
slim nymph
yeah its a big learning curve
novel horizon
that's for sure ^^
slim nymph
but once you learn it, youll find consistency through our entire system vs "heres 30 different plugins that all feel and look different"
novel horizon
Yeah
latent valve
@worn ember wanna go slap some kid on dota?
worn ember
ye
latent valve
wd go brrrr
worn ember
enigma go zoom