Well now I qualify for student financing again and have all pre-reqs for computer security
#general
potent fossil
was me before i deleted 70 repos
heady spear
Mini has actually finished some projects this year
spice finch
twin lagoon
cedar spade
@quasi valley hangar wen
cedar spade
ggwp
potent fossil
this was actually hilarious but predictable 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg73GKm7GgI
pic unrelated tbh, it's a standup but no pictures just voice. still 10/10 tho
vestal jasper
.mini
limber knotBOT
vestal jasper
me rn
limber knotBOT
(Korobi) xkcd: Ballmer Peak (1 October 2007)
golden gust
cedar spade
my PC is currently boxed up and doesn't have a video output so I can't work on hangar :p
potent fossil
.rekt
limber knotBOT
☑ El REKTo
vernal moth
Js isn't that bad anymore
vernal moth
Var shouldn't be used
Let = normal, mutable
Consts = final
I wish java would have introduced var and val, not just var
cosmic raft
why should var not be used
vernal moth
Not that I use that anyways
Because it's unspecific compared to the other two
But like, browser support, idk, babel handles that for me
I don't know if var is offically deprecated, but eslint will yell at you
cosmic raft
let const = var;
thx
well
my script "works"
almost
how do I check if a "Promise" is.. there?
cosmic raft
await
potent fossil
if you await it, then your program will wait till it's resolved, either success or failure
besides that just check that it's not null
potent fossil
well cant diagnose that w/o code
cosmic raft
if(typeof ob.changes !== "undefined") {
potent fossil
wat
cosmic raft
yes
green turret
kash stop it
potent fossil
sounds like whatever called your async method upstream is not itself async, so the program didn't wait
that is a hack fix, my friend
cosmic raft
js is a hack
green turret
If you have a non-async function calling an async function, you have to handle it as a promise, so call then/catch on it
potent fossil
still a hack, sounds like control flow fuckup tbh
it should be waiting for resolution
green turret
Use == and != with null to also catch undefined.
cosmic raft
I don't want to make it wait until its resolved though
it won't become resolved
lol
potent fossil
green turret
What!
potent fossil
then...why are you using a promise
green turret
kash what the hell are you doing
cosmic raft
javascript!
wide chasm
Kash is being a l33t hacker
cosmic raft
lowercase k stef
potent fossil
sounds like "idk js, am currently misusing it; that's why js is bad"
cosmic raft
@potent fossil see DM
green turret
You have to at least call .catch() on your promise, even if you don't want it to end/resolve/return.
green turret
function foo() {
bar().catch(window.alert)
}
async function bar() {
await baz()
}
async function baz() {
// who knows what's going on
}
(obviously do something better than window.alert in the catch if you can. Or use console.error on Node.
Yeah that's fine.
heady spear
Okaaaaay so if I have 2133MHz RAM and I wanna get another 16GB now, when 2133 is out of fashion n gross
can I get 2666MHz still?
like it should work, but the new sticks will use the lower speed
right???
or do I need to get a 32GB kit?
if so someone sponsor me pls
twin lagoon
@heady spear 2133 is disgusting so is 2666
heady spear
Well I'm poor
twin lagoon
its advised to get the same memory sticks
heady spear
I don't care if it's disgusting
if I'm gonna get an entire 32GB kit it'd be 2666, can't afford expensive memory lel
heady spear
there's a huge price difference here
twin lagoon
weird
heady spear
ok good for u not living in socialist dystopia where all electronics r expensive af
the 32gb 2666MHz kit is $153
I need to get new fans too bcuz mine r wonky
twin lagoon
hello kashike
cosmic raft
hallo
quasi valley
hello hello person
twin lagoon
hello kneny
heady spear
according to the interwebs I can safely mix the two because they run at the same voltage
I trust the internet. The internet has never lied
twin lagoon
looks epic
vernal moth
No checksums?
Or have I missed them on mobile
I feel like checksums is the most requested thing
cosmic raft
for what, though?
heady spear
file integrity & also makes it super easy to check if there's a newer build than the one you're using, without storing the build number yourself 😛
also IS in #community-guilds when? D: ppl don't know that we're friends, it's very upsetting to me and my family
worn pasture
why should var not be used
@cosmic raftvardeclares a variable at either the global or function scope (bad), whereasconstorletvariables are only declared at the block scope (good)
vernal moth
@cosmic raft yeah, integrity. Plenty ppl come in here with corrupted jars
Panel devs want to prevent that
cunning badge
@heady spear you could check for the md5 to see if a version is newer
heady spear
Yes? That's what I said
but we're tasking for the checksum to be provided by the API, so we don't need to download the file and compare
cosmic raft
well, hashes will have to wait
olive marlin
V2 API looks great!
Wish it had hashes though.
Will wait for V3 for that, I guess.
cosmic raft
v2 will have hashes
worn ember
weebs out 👉 🚪
cosmic raft
I just cannot populate that until I start touching the actual JARs
olive marlin
olive marlin
Yeah, doubt any sane person would name it that themselves.
worn pasture
url gore
worn ember
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perhaps
void void
how i can start leaning bukkit coding
spiral zinc
You should familiarize yourself with Java first
zealous wedge
yeah @heady spear what os do you use?
minor badge
@heady spear i saw ur book when i fukd ur mum
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hot
worn ember
my dads painting and i'm getting high on the fumes lmao
minor badge
arent u dutch
worn ember
what does that have to do with painting lol
minor badge
because im not so sure its the fumes
minor badge
hmmmm
next frost
why
minor badge
@quasi valley please confirm
wide chasm
Amsterdam: allows drug consumption
Rest of the world: haha Netherlands drugs
worn ember
also im belgian, but speak dutch
weed is legal here too stef
for personal consumption
quasi valley
ded you little addict
wide chasm
You speak Flemish, don't fool yourself 😉
worn ember
ok Gijs
worn ember
@quasi valley i'm addicted to your face
wide chasm
Gijs, wow that's a boomer name
minor badge
sorry zml i live in the 99% of the worlds countries
worn ember
mfw lava doesnt break your fall
quasi valley
void void
lol
wide chasm
Not fully, but partially
worn ember
well not enough cuz i deded
zealous wedge
well that's what happens when ded is in your name
worn ember
shush, go push some more unreleased code to master 😉
while we're on the topic of configurate, how do you parse key/value pairs to maps?
zealous wedge
what sort of key-value pair?
good to know you don't understand how scm works either lol
worn ember
im jus messing with you.
yml. the key is an enum and the value is another data class
Map<Dimension, DimensionData> all are marked as @normal badgeSerializable
nice
Dimension is an enum
zealous wedge
you can do node.getValue(new TypeToken<Map<Dimension, DimensionData>>() {}, Collections.emptyMap());
worn ember
Alright thanks
raw trout
yo so is like Hyperverse better than Multiverse nowadays?
limber knotBOT
I assume both work so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
peak dirge
Not buying this garbage
void void
novideo
worn ember
multiverse still works fine for me
limber knotBOT
I mean most of the functionality is in the server's api anyways ¯_(ツ)_/¯
heady spear
Kind of
worn ember
everything city makes is poop
heady spear
Hyperverse does some shit using nms where the api is lacking
novel horizon
I use Multiverse too, but still. Is Hyperverse better or updated?
limber knotBOT
eww
limber knotBOT
what's wrong with MVNP?
heady spear
People are happy with it
Only reason it’s still in beta is because we’re replacing the commands
But I need to finish my command library before that
novel horizon
I'm happy with Mv, but kinda worried if it just stops functioning
heady spear
It won’t
limber knotBOT
why would one of the most used, open source plugins stop functioning?!?
heady spear
If you’re happy with mv you have no reason to switch
limber knotBOT
thousands of servers depend on it xD
heady spear
Hyperverse is just there as an alternative (with a better API 👀)
limber knotBOT
also if you use any plugin used by my server then you are set for the next ten years anyways 👀
worn ember
also if you dont play minecraft, ur set for life
limber knotBOT
heady spear
Dark y r u like this
novel horizon
Yeah, but still, it is a old thing, it's good that it will work :)
limber knotBOT
tbh I don't get why you need nms for the portal stuff, the api does the same?
or is there more to it than https://github.com/Sauilitired/Hyperverse/blob/master/Bukkit-1.16.3/src/main/java/se/hyperver/hyperverse/NMSImpl.java#L81-L98
heady spear
It didn’t even fire events when there wasn’t a valid location lol
limber knotBOT
wat
worn ember
isnt that the point?
heady spear
No. Because we needed to set the location
limber knotBOT
I mean, I guess it could fire the create event cancelled
or do you mean the portal event?
heady spear
Portal event
And something about entities, don’t remember the exact problems we had
But as I already had a nms module, I just threw it in there
I think the problem was entities and not players tho
limber knotBOT
don't really see where it wouldn't call that event tbh
only if the target worldserver is null I guess
hm, I'm actually surprised any multiworld portals work like this 
limber knotBOT
oh wait, that's the ender portal method lmao
well I don't see anything particulary wrong in the 1.16.3 imeplementation of the portal events, city. if you remember what the issue was let me know. I'm partially responsible for that code after all xD
void void
Random question but
I saw this 1 year old image
Does this mean minecraft will have lua scripting?
worn ember
void void
This was posted by a minecraft developer on twitter
worn ember
how does that relate to lua at all
wide chasm
Afaik no developer has properly announced any kind of Lua scripting yet
void void
Oh
I thought i was just uninformed about it xd
I wonder how "powerful" the Lua scripting will be if they add it
cunning raft
probably similar to the pocket scripting thing
but yeah searge posted that pic irrc
i think he might have said they have no plans and it was more of a test
i think i remember seeing that in the twt replies i may be wrong
void void
Owh
green turret
Today I will have pizza.
Unfortunately not homemade, so no fathead dough Aikar, sorry.
void void
Oh yeah the Blaze3D and Lua Scripting were just experiments
void void
Oh?
Searge said it was an experiment
Interesting
So i guess there is still a chance Lua Scripting is coming in the future
void void
True
vernal moth
Blaze3d has shipped
slim nymph
render dragon is the next thing to come
slim nymph
theres 2 entiies that serve different purposes
vernal moth
Ppl misunderstood what blaze3d is, it's just the glue between the gameplay logic and the rendering engine
Render dragon would be the new rendering engine, but no concrete plans to bring that to java iirc
cunning raft
ah
slim nymph
i thought helen said there was, but though helen said a lot of things in positive ways because she wanted it herself
but RD was DESIGNED to be usable on java too
vernal moth
Helen said something like the team really wants to do it or smth
So prolly gonna happen eventually
But doubt anybody is actively working on it
Or maybe am wrong and I'll announce it at minecon 🤷
slim nymph
if mini worked at mojang id be upset with him for not stopping a lot of the dumb
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i'm upset with him for not stopping a lot of the dumb
limber knotBOT
they didn't let him drink at work 👀
vernal moth
assuming I wouldn't just do dum stuff without knowing better
Lol
And I mean, ppl here know that I did apply 😂
spiral sparrow
sometimes i think i won’t be able to develop the problem solving and logical thinking skills for writing code
like i could be given a project but then i would be like
where should i even begin
humble falcon
start by not starting with large projects
spiral sparrow
any project in general
peak dirge
Indeed this timing is very curious, a lot of people are looking at RISC-V now. China was already on board with it...
spiral sparrow
that requires more than like user input
ashen cliff
Would be nice if they also focused on consumer.
slim nymph
@spiral sparrow i think its important for you to figure out if you got the right thought process for it. not everyone can do programming. your brain has to think in a logical way. not everyone thinks the same way. my wife accepted shes just not wired for programming.
But dont let that confuse you with "I can but just havent worked my experience up to do it well"
spiral sparrow
maybe im also not wired for programming though
quasi valley
you're 13, chill a bit and just do it lol
slim nymph
if you "get it" at that age, thats a sure sign "fuck yeah" to go for it, but NOT getting it doesnt mean you wont eventually get it
18-20 😛
well youll prob have enough development by 16
dont rush into the heavy stuff though, just keep it simple
web development for example
stuff where you can do a little work and see immediate results
seeing results drives passion to keep going
data packs are not programming lol
humble falcon
well ok then
ashen cliff
The programing learning curve can be somewhat compared to math. Some will hit a problem they can't pass early on, some never.
slim nymph
data packs at best require you to be able to think logically and design a system where executing a series of commands exhibits desired behavior
its logical thinking but not really programming
nah, not "anyone", some people are seriously just wired differently that really impedes logical thinking
quasi valley
you also won't learn what you're not interested in 😛
vernal moth
I also started at 12, I think the first time I would actually consider myself a decent developer was at like 16 or 17
And I worked 10s of hours every week for the past decade
And I still learn new stuff daily
Like, this weekend for the first time ever I successfully implemented tcp encryption
And I also aren't very intelligent, compared to others I know I take longer to think of nice algos. My skill is thinking outside the box I think, I never lost my naivity I would say
slim nymph
my wife described it well. She tried to learn programming. But she understands that she approaches thinking different than me.
"Going to the store" for her is "Get in car and go to store"
for me its "Get the shoes on, get the keys & wallet, ensure hair isnt a mess, open garage, crank car, drive, park, enter store"
I break the steps down to achieve an end result as part of thinking. when she thinks, its more target to goal oriented.
This is where the careers of Quality Assurance Analyst come in. QA are better suited for people like my wife, who don't think down as technical, who will be better aligned with the majority audience of users. That thinking process can help find issues that a developer didnt think of.
vernal moth
I am not afraid to get my hands dirty and dig deep into like spring to find my solutions
I get offers weekly for minecraft contract work
And multiply daily on xing, lol
How well you want to be paid generally
slim nymph
this cheap ass community prob not much lol
ashen cliff
I need a plugin that would required 100 hours for work, for 5€.
vernal moth
So gotta be good on estimating time
slim nymph
damn you must be finding good people who actually pay a real wage
vernal moth
They find me aikar, my current contract is two randoms building a mc client, all forge community, found my minicraft GitHub repo out of all things
Am building a chat framework for them
slim nymph
If i did contract work (but i dont), id charge 75-100/hr lol. its just not worth my time for less.
slim nymph
i dont live in cali 😛
man my income in cali is barely cutting it
6 figures is min wage there
vernal moth
I accepted this because I liked the topic (something to learn for me) and because I needed motivation (I haven't done dev work in a month before that)
void veldt
hi
slim nymph
work
vernal moth
So hopefully, once I am done later this week, I can transfer that energy and motivation back into hangar or whatever
Well, what's your major?
slim nymph
well i hope you have a career goal to ensure you're doing the RIGHT college
vernal moth
Ok, no clue what job you would do with that, lol
slim nymph
yeah i think liberal arts is the "I dont know, just give me a degree" degree lol
vernal moth
Oh man, education outside Europe is rough
slim nymph
if you wanted to program, you shouldnt be wasting time onliberal arts
well, ideally, spend those 2 years on a more career focused topic, so figure out what career....
you want good transferrable credits
though thats one good thing to note @spiral sparrow, if you do "get" programming eventually, getting started early will help a ton. Having solid experience and knowledge young can avoid having to blow tons of money on college
I settled for just an AS degree just to help get that first job. Once you get first job, that degree doesnt really hold much value
that resume filled with real world experience holds the value
slim nymph
if someone looked at my linked in at the shit ive done, and then cared about me not having a BS, I wouldnt want to work for them
vernal moth
I mean, I just went for a bachelor, but paired with an apprenticeship, so that I got paid while going to uni and also got practical education and not just theory bullshit
And I would have 100% quit uni if it wasn't for the apprenticeship at work where ppl kicked my ass and I saw what I was doing it for
slim nymph
and doing contract work will be a good way to get real experience before a full time position too
vernal moth
(I failed every math exam, multiple times)
Am not sure if I would mention my contract work on my CV if I was to switch
slim nymph
can do stuff like approach local businesses and discuss with them on what kind of applications or websites you can build for them to help their business
well i mean to get started when you had nothing else
vernal moth
Cause like, this isn't proper contact work, while I have a buisness entity, I never do the "contract" via them
slim nymph
to help score that first full time job
resumes dont care about legalities
its "I did X project that consisted of Y tasks for company Z"
my resumes included my time at Final Fantasy 11 game hacking 😛
dim shadow
i wonder if mc plugins count as work experience for gettin a job
vernal moth
Oh, that I did while in school, friends dad was designer, made psd designs for websites of small companies. When they wanted to implement it, the dad would offer to do it for X money, or offer to let a random school kid of it for a tenth of the price. That kids was me and a friend ^^
void void
only a little bit
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they can sure help if FOSS, as can any other project on your portfolio
vernal moth
I earned my first pc via that
dim shadow
foss?
slim nymph
@dim shadow please change your name and avatar. that is very hard to be seen as not mocking someone
void void
free open source software
vernal moth
The dad would give me a 500euro bank note
dim shadow
haha ok @slim nymph i thought itd be funny
void void
no u
vernal moth
I was feeling like god with it back then, lol
cunning raft
MOSS > FOSS
void void
500€ is nothing basically
vernal moth
For a 15 year old?
vernal moth
I had to
My parents always brought me everything I needed, but nothing electronical, ever
slim nymph
yikes
vernal moth
I always saved up together with my sister
For a nintendo ds, for a playstation 3, for a laptop, for everything
slim nymph
stuff like that was xmas/birthday only
vernal moth
Nah, my parents limited electronic time very hard
I was allowed to play half an hour at my dad's pc per day, after homework, as a kid
slim nymph
ouch
vernal moth
And would always try to stretch out
slim nymph
how did you find time to learn programming then
vernal moth
That was earlier
slim nymph
oh
twilit frigate
Where do i find the offline installer for debian i can't seem to find it
Like the bigger iso
vernal moth
Oh actually, I got something Electrical for Xmas once, I was 11?
Dad got me a robot, but once where you had to solder everything yourself, lol
slim nymph
wtf you installing debian for lol
twin lagoon
ok
vernal moth
That I was allowed to use more PC time for, played with my dad, we both tried to learn c++ by copy pasting stuff
minor badge
we're aware
next wind
trying to get cracked edition debian?
twin lagoon
"cracked"
vernal moth
Was really cool, made it avoid obstacles, stole my mom's tv remote to control it
minor badge
#paper-help pins already has info on the downtime for the folks that ask
next wind
it was a joke because offline = cracked
vernal moth
That was where I learned to "develop"
next wind
bad joke nevermind
vernal moth
Or like, at least be curious about it
slim nymph
oh man official launcher
twin lagoon
multimc
slim nymph
yeah i use multimc now so official looks so weird to me
twilit frigate
@slim nymph I have this old aspire laptop i want to use as a mc server but it's 2ghz and 8gb ram so if i put windows on it it wouldnt be as good
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i havent used the official launcher since it used tumblr tbh
slim nymph
@twilit frigate so ubuntu-server lol
vernal moth
But back to mc stuff, you can definitely mention you do mc stuff, in my interview for this job I basically only talked about mc stuff, lol
But like, I focused on the skills I learned
next wind
and why offline installer?
vernal moth
Working with users, self taught, managing to navigate huge legacy code bases
Interacting with the open source community
Stuff like that is relevant for real world jobs
You don't need to say you made a skyblock core once
Nobody cares
twilit frigate
I have tried ubuntu and it gave me errors and shit but I can try it again
vernal moth
Also has the benefit of leaving an impression as the mc guy, helps with getting picked
slim nymph
yeah my experience at Windower was pretty substantial.
- Team Lead
- Reverse Engineering
- Community Management
- Modular Design
- Documentation
- C++ / Assembly / LUA
being paid is irrelevant
vernal moth
"so we have one last spot, who should we use",. "what about that minecraft guy?"
I believe that's how I got in, lol
Because my school grades where way worse than the other 3 in my year
slim nymph
we got a new Senior Engineer starting monday who seems to have some damn good experience.
vernal moth
I think I'll have to eventually quit here, since am always getting paid lower every new ppl that join, since I started here as a student
slim nymph
who has some minor github presence, better than nothing
vernal moth
But I think I can always come back after a year or so, many coworkers do that, lmao
slim nymph
i've started an open source iniative at work, gonna help shape it
like, for the entire fucking giant ass company lol
minor badge
renegotiating salaries is pretty usual here, mini
vernal moth
We started to use open source software here....
minor badge
might be worth a shot to meet w your boss?
dim shadow
damn congrats mini
vernal moth
But am only under full contract for one and a half years
So like am gonna be more aggressive next year
vernal moth
This time I didn't ask for it, but like lead my boss to the conclusion that I maybe should be paid more, lol
Month, lol
Am now at ~4000, with vacation and Xmas money and boni that's 4000x14.2
It's lightly above avg for my age I think
(56k per year)
But like, tax and shit is brutal here
slim nymph
well unasked for raises are nice, but does set you back to ask for more for a while
dim shadow
do yall have tax brackets in germany? I hate that system here lol
vernal moth
From the 4k per month I end up with like 2.5k on my bank
slim nymph
why do you hate it? not having tax brackets would suck
you either tax the poor more, or the rich less, neither are good
dim shadow
cause if someone is right at the end of one bracket and they get a raise... that's a paycut xD
vernal moth
Then rent and insurance for car and flat and shit and groceries and stuff
Well, it's not impossible for that to happen
dim shadow
i mean like if you go over to the next tax bracket and your tax is higher than the raise you got :I
vernal moth
I know ppl who that has happened to, but they quickly fixed it with their boss, lol
next wind
i mean like if you go over to the next tax bracket and your tax is higher than the raise you got :I
@dim shadow taxes dont work like that. only the certain amount over the tax bracket is taxed at that percent
i believe thats how it works
dim shadow
oh really? damn i thought the whole thing was taxed at the same value
slim nymph
if bracket is over 100k is 15% and 100k and less is 10%. and you got paid 100k, then got a raise for 10k.
You don't raise your taxes by 5k. its raised by 500
dim shadow
i guess it makes more sense that way @next wind
slim nymph
its 5% more only on the value over, so that 10k
vernal moth
And yes, I know an unasked raise can set me back, but like, my boss can't let me go, so if I go to him next year and say I'll need a decent raise or I'll have to quit because I need to money for whatever, he will have to make it work
slim nymph
next year sure, i meant id wait 6 mo's first
vernal moth
Yeah, that's the plan
slim nymph
or before annual review if you have that
vernal moth
And till then I'll have another successful project in my back and new responsibilities and stuff
Not really, no
Meh I guess kinda
slim nymph
yeah sadly though its not always your boss. my boss wants to give everyone a raise. its finance gotta settle with
vernal moth
It's not a performance review or anything
slim nymph
they only allocate a certain amount of money for raises, the manager has to decide how to split it
vernal moth
Team lead has a bit of money to distirbute in the team each year here I think
slim nymph
so one person getting more means someone else is getting less
vernal moth
But I yet 2% per year kinda automatically
Since unions
But that just covers inflation
spiral sparrow
I'm so stupid
twilit frigate
So I have a debian server with grubloader and I want to boot a USB with the ubuntu server installer on it
What do i do
Cuz when i boot from usb in the bios it just brings me to grub
nvm
twilit frigate
So I put it on the drive, set it up and it said 'no bootable device' so i switched to legacy mode and it's still saying there's no way to boot it
ashen cliff
Use Rufus to make the USB.
golden gust
not being able to boot from USB would imply that the issue is more with the USB stick, oddball partition setup? or your machine is just janky af
twilit frigate
I set up the installer but when i rebooted I can't get onto the actual system
humble falcon
Are you using the correct version
So 64 or 32 bit or UEFI or legacy
And is your BIOS set to boot from USB
twilit frigate
64 bit uefi and set up to boot normally cuz its already got the system
ubuntu isn't showing up no
im just trying to boot into my installed software not the INSTALLER, and the drive i burned the iso onto using rufus
ive already gone through and installed shit
next wind
then you just need to go into bios and set your drive order
and have the os be the first drive
drive order isnt the right name but thats the best i can explain it with
twilit frigate
the os isn't showing up in the drive order
im just getting sick of trying different os to try get this server setup
next wind
send a picture of all your options in the boot manager maybe
twilit frigate
vernal moth
Smh Mini, you gave me wrong info
@wide chasm ppl were hella confused 😂
wide chasm
I mean, 50/50 chance, we just picked the wrong one 🙂
earnest rampart
walter
mighty storm
oh
slim nymph
someone calls me from an unknown number and says "hi what did you do" to my call screening. like thats gonna make me want to pick up
warm anchor
peak dirge
I get political flyers in the mail, almost always from the far-right party, telling me the super mild (even conservative) candidate of the other party is some tool of social democrats in his party. Guess what I'm referring to.
vernal moth
Ages
Which is rather interesting, since if you aren't lgbtq friendly, you kinda breaking the law? Lol
Cause like, discrimination
wide chasm
Cop: slams door open
"You've all been arrested!"
vernal moth
Like, pretty sure you can't deny business to somebody because they are gay, lol
raw trout
yo is it possible for teachers to know when your looking at something other than a test or quiz?
vernal moth
Yes
mossy vessel
But that requires them to know how to use a computer
untold ingot
Come on play fall guys with me
raw trout
How would it work?
Like if I have a quiz opened up on Microsoft Edge for example, and I open up Google Chrome, and look something up, the teacher would know?
haughty bear
yea
raw trout
My teacher said something about how she knows when you clicked out of a quiz.
How would they know?
wide chasm
Pretty sure a website can detect if it's still 'active'.
haughty bear
at that point make a new desktop/workspace/whatever it's called
vernal moth
The teachers also can sense it
wide chasm
Can also be that they use some proctor software or whatever, so good luck in that case
haughty bear
make the user install a browser extension to check if the page is active
raw trout
So as long as your on the tab, your active?
haughty bear
seriously? why
quasi valley
some people here have oral exams at home; if they look away from the camera for like half a second, it's a fail :p
raw trout
Like if you open up Minecraft, they know you left the tab?
haughty bear
is that on school laptops/computers
golden gust
Many schools have software installed on every machine which literally lets teachers view every screen on their room on their machine
haughty bear
yes, but many teachers also don't monitor that
wide chasm
The software will report inconsistencies
They just review those afterward
You need to scan pretty much your entire room for those types of software
raw trout
So if I'm in a Zoom meeting, they know when I'm using Discord?
ashen cliff
Just make the computers run Linux.
wide chasm
That completely depends on their setup lance
mighty storm
@golden gust we had that, it was called LanSchool or whatevr
haughty bear
hack your school 4head
raw trout
I'm using my own computer?
mighty storm
only on the windows computers though, on the mac i was home free 😎
wide chasm
On what they force you to setup then
raw trout
I'm pretty sure it's not possible to see exactly what websites and apps you use?
quasi valley
they won't know then, but just actually properly focus on school lol
golden gust
if you're on your own machine, no
raw trout
They don't force you to install anything.
mighty storm
if you're using your own computer you should be fine lol
golden gust
assuming you're not using a proxy/vpn on their network, etc
mighty storm
meanwhile my college forces me to install malware to take exams lol
raw trout
Okay yeah, but like back on the tabs part, they can still see you if your not active on the tab?
raw trout
What if I stay on that site in like Microsoft Edge, and I open up a PDF or another browser and search something up?
mighty storm
they can, but with canvas, according to my dad (who uses canvas) that doesnt get recorded or tracked, but, again, why does it matter? dont cheat
raw trout
They know you left the tab?
golden gust
You'd need to go check the spec
quasi valley
🤦♂️
wide chasm
Canvas doesn't track that no afaik
left swift
Looking to cheat
golden gust
The browser does send events for certain things, etc
as for what they check, god knows
mighty storm
canvas knows you left but it doesnt record or log that you did
i mean it's open source, give it a deep dive :p
ashen cliff
I've even seen some programs report you to the teacher if a Windows notification popped up during an exam.
wide chasm
looks at multiple canvas quizzes made with the help of wikipedia
void void
give me latest paper 1.16.1 please
haughty bear
no
void void
:c
wide chasm
.downloads
limber knotBOT
void void
thanks
wide chasm
Go to 1.16.3 find the one before the update to 1.16.2.
mighty storm
why do you want older versions
golden gust
Use the downloads API, see the pins in #announcements but, really, use 1.16.3 if you want support, otherwise, glhf
void void
There aren't 1.16.1
golden gust
We don't pin old versions
void void
:c
golden gust
You'd either have to run through the history manually, as stef said; Or, literally do what I said
quasi valley
literally
golden gust
Seriously
void void
yes
golden gust
Apply some effort here
quasi valley
apply some reading
void void
ok
mighty storm
https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/site/api.html as well for downloads api
ack need to update
mighty storm
paper patched it already tho
so no worky
😄
68 lines of imports, you love to see it
quasi valley
you love not to see them, thanks to IJ ;)
sly ruin
I feel like a caveman because I'm using a usb drive to transfer files between VirtualBox and Windows.
heady spear
helped my friend build her computer but nothing worked out like it should ._. 4 hours later and her fucking thumbdrive doesn't work so we can't install windows
huge win fwiw because ew windows
left swift
Lul
heady spear
building computers is exhausting smh
left swift
Git gudder
heady spear
Oh and we also spend 45 minutes trying to get windows 14 and javafx to work on her laptop
I don't know how anyone can use windows tbh it's fucking awful
left swift
Wtf is windows 14
quasi valley
ur awful
sly ruin
^
left swift
quasi valley
no you suck
sly ruin
You download AdoptOpenJDK and OpenJFX for windows. That's it.
heady spear
Well we tried jmods because that'd be neater but nope
and then you need to add it to the module path
which is also gross
tf is --module-path %JAVAFX_HOME% --add-modules javafx.controllers,javafx.swing
yuck
fwiw all we needed was to get my unis weird mars fork to work but they didn't tell anyone how to run it so everyone got hella confused 😛
sly ruin
Windows software installation is easier IMO, but that's coming from somebody who doesn't use Linux very muhc. With Linux you have to deal with your distribution's package manager, repositories, etc. With Windows, you just download the exe and you're fine. I suppose the same thing can be done with Linux, but I don't know if people actually do that.
sly ruin
On Debian, that is.
heady spear
Right, other distros prolly have equivalent methods of installing shit
I find everything a lot more tedious on windows and everything is so frustrating
sly ruin
I suppose my point is that the fragmentation makes it harder overall.
heady spear
But I also suppose it depends on what you're doing. I could never use Windows as my main development environment because I'd hate my life
void void
I switched from Windows to Linux Mint like a month ago
heady spear
it's just so clunky
haughty bear
have fun setting up maven in windows 🙃
next frost
ide does that for you lol
heady spear
changing environment variables is also very annoying
but it's fine because cmd is completely unusable
so you can't use maven outside of IDEs anyway
fallen oracle
Kneny, you said that IJ 2020.2.1 also started freezing up for you, right? Did the release of IJ 2020.2.2 fix that?
quasi valley
just upgraded today and haven't opened any Spigot project yet, so not sure yet
fallen oracle
Alrighty. Lmk how it goes.
left swift
Ttyl
finite wave
Anyone want 3 month free xbox game pass?
3 months free xbox game pass SEZGRFgtQ0tURDItTVg5VDktN0hLMjMtV0NLOVo=
haughty bear
pog
worn ember
👀
worn ember
yes
golden gust
There are intents for some stuff, but, it's a long term goal and has many issues to solve
worn ember
raw trout
If you worked on Minecraft, what would you add/remove/modify to the game?
finite wave
?
cunning raft
xy?
finite wave
Are you also drunk?
raw trout
wdym?
limber knotBOT
add bugs and remove features
finite wave
lance, stop drinking and doing drugs
void void
literally add the whole mo creatures mod to prod
finite wave
are you also drunk?
Can, we have a no drinking guideline?
Or atleast, drinking and behaving weird in general
raw trout
I think there should be a solar system, 105151958 planets, galaxies, etc we could travel to, build a spaceship, and fly. We would lose damage in space if we don't have space armor on, and wee!
no 🙂
finite wave
you're all weird and drunk
mighty storm
Replying to @raw trout from https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/756213488799711353
would add paper
raw trout
In-fact, I think they should spawn basketball goals around the world, and you find basketballs near them, each time you make one in, you get a golden apple!
mighty storm
they should add a biome that's just a parking lot
raw trout
Actually a good idea! We could farm hella concrete off that!
void void
why tf don't we have ikea furniture shop in minecraft
you expect me to craft shit? like with my hands?
raw trout
The parking lot should come with a variety of different cars, the new technology in Minecraft would start another Industrial Revolution!
haughty bear
speaking of, has anyone tried to make accurate vehicles with real physics as a plugin in MC?
limber knotBOT
half a dozen times, yes
wide chasm
Pretty sure there was one
mighty storm
youre asking too much for what the bukkit api can handle lol
haughty bear
anything is possible
limber knotBOT
without lagging the server? no
mighty storm
to an extent yes
void void
lmao i remember those mine-cars with gasoline
limber knotBOT
I don't know a single multiplayer game with proper car physics, lol
some racing sims come closes but they still have sync issues
haughty bear
as in, at least has hitboxes which can collide with blocks to roll, flip, etc
mighty storm
now we're entering possible/probable
haughty bear
but still technically possible
mighty storm
could, no one would want to spend the time, and as phoenix said that'd probably be laggy as heck doing all those calculations each tick
haughty bear
😔
limber knotBOT
best you are going to get is to do stuff with horses so that the client does calculation on its own
but server-side only vehicles is guaranteed to be glitchy and laggy
worn ember
Bmgdrive has detailed car physics
haughty bear
what clever ways are there to make a client do math for a server?
worn ember
Doing calculations client side makes them easy to tamper with
limber knotBOT
you just let the client handle visuals and make the server validate it once in a while
worn ember
I'll validate you
limber knotBOT
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
finite wave
no
haughty bear
welll
worn ember
gta is p2p
haughty bear
it is?
worn ember
pretty sure ye
haughty bear
that sounds awful
zealous knot
worn ember
thats why there are so many cheaters
finite wave
@zealous knot You late
zealous knot
I'm not late i'm Jeff
finite wave
@zealous knot You're george what u on about
zealous knot
sugma
finite wave
balls
potent fossil
lmao my english prof indirectly roasted the class
he sends classwide update emails after assignments and they're typically "wow, nice work this last week"
this time it was "our school has a writing center to help you be more successful. check it out."
leaden oxideBOT
Marianna#6961 was banned | ads
left swift
How do u sell out of preorders
Isnt the point of preorders to know how many units to make
stiff yarrow
Retailers are promised X units at launch
stiff yarrow
They can only pre order to that count
wide chasm
I read that as "Retailers are promixed Series X units at launch" lol
zealous knot
just interesting
zealous wedge
do you want to expand the list or something?
mighty storm
list.add("Bruh");
stiff yarrow
Tfw Nintendo just resells old games via community made emulators/roms that’s gotta be the most profit:actual_work ratio from a big company, is Nintendo the only one doing it 
Another one
mighty storm
?ban @void void byebye
leaden oxideBOT
slacking#1073 was banned | byebye
mighty storm
?reason 84 airdrop ads
leaden oxideBOT
Updated Case #84
green turret
Okay but what is an air drop even and why do I want it
mighty storm
some airdrops are actually legit
basically new cryptos airdrop theiri crypto to get the circulation flowing
green turret
I have tear drops. Is it like that?
mighty storm
ive done a few airdrops, half my crypto assets are from it lol
but those aren't legit
if they say "And here's tweet" then fail to link a tweet and instead a screenshot, seems fake to me
potent fossil
airdrops started with stellar lumens (or at least, stellar made it popular) where a new currency pops up and they throw a large chunk out for exposure, which in turn makes their currency value go Stonks, and then win i guess
wide chasm
Are the emulators made by the community, nossr? Thought they were made internally.
green turret
Invest in my new crypto currency everyone. I call it Mule Moolah
potent fossil
wide chasm
lol
stiff yarrow
Most the time we even know what emulator Nintendo is using
peak dirge
XScreenSaver added a joke ransomware pop-up and the currency names are quite something. My favorite? Dunning-Krugerrands.
wide chasm
Guess we found a reason for GPL licensing
peak dirge
const char *currencies[] = {
"Blitcoin",
"Bitcorn",
"Buttcorn",
"clicks",
"clicks",
"Ass Pennies",
"Ass Pennies",
"Dollary-doos",
"Dunning-Krugerrands",
"Dunning-Krugerrands",
"Dunning-Krugerrands",
"Dunning-Krugerrands",
"Dunning-Krugerrands",
"Dunning-Krugerrands",
"gift certificates",
"Creepto-Currency",
"secret sauce",
"Tribbles",
};
stiff yarrow
Nothing illegal about what they are doing but it’s just funny to me how old games are being sold using imperfect emulator code when Nintendo could just make a “perfect” port or write their own emulator that would be more accurate but they’d have to pay a lot of engineers to do
quasi valley
yeah I honestly like Nintendo's sale tactics even less than a game with lootboxes
it's legit malice
wide chasm
Development time for the game seemed to be ~6 months though, so that's not that much time to do full fletched ports of all three games. I mean, would be nice if they started earlier to get it as a port, but given six months timeframe I get why they opted to do the emulation route.
stiff yarrow
Need a New controller because of a widely known and unfixed hardware issue? 80 dollars sir
peak dirge
Nostalgia is pretty dangerous, Nintendo was big in the 1980s and so they can profit from that work and do some serious dick moves
stiff yarrow
Development time for the game seemed to be ~6 months though, so that's not that much time to do full fletched ports of all three games. I mean, would be nice if they started earlier to get it as a port, but given six months timeframe I get why they opted to do the emulation route.
@wide chasm honestly dev time for such a project is probably set to that time frame because they know they are going emulator route
peak dirge
Well, it's at least better than Apple's $999 Mac Pro monitor stand.
potent fossil
wide chasm
I guess you can do it that way as well
potent fossil
whats even worse than that stand is the people that defend it
wide chasm
I mean it's not the first time they used emulators for their old consoles
potent fossil
the true apple homies
stiff yarrow
I like my MacBook Pro but it is a 3000 dollar laptop with 800 dollar performance
wide chasm
Not that that makes it any better, though
potent fossil
i have a macbook and stuff, im not anti-apple. its just. rlly, for a stand plz
stiff yarrow
They use emulators for most their old games these days
peak dirge
Only thing MacBooks have going for them is the OS
peak dirge
And even that's getting worse
wide chasm
Virtual Console and NSO games are all emulated and for some reaosn people also keep buying those, so easy money for them
zealous knot
F
wide chasm
NSO probably more for online than the games, but still
zealous knot
oh wait
peak dirge
Supposedly they fixed it by nixing the butterfly keyboard.
Problem is, you have to buy a new machine, just as Apple intended.
stiff yarrow
I tried the new kB in a Mac store it wasn’t much better in fact I could barely tell a difference
peak dirge
And I've switched to a PC anyway, largely because of performance and Ryzen.
stiff yarrow
My work pc is a desktop
peak dirge
I went from a 2017 Retina iMac to a 2020 entry-level workstation. Now I feel comfortable enough, just need to upgrade the GPU.
stiff yarrow
I want a laptop with a full keyboard
mighty storm
buy?
mighty storm
what is there to buy tf
stiff yarrow
Paper doesn’t sell anything
stiff yarrow
If someone told you otherwise they lied to you
peak dirge
We don't sell anything, and that's good.
mighty storm
uh oh
peak dirge
go get your money back
odd robin
nah too late
mighty storm
:(
odd robin
so for the past 2 years this guy has been lying to me
peak dirge
hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson
odd robin
Lol im so gullible
stiff yarrow
Lol what kind of lies
peak dirge
eww, you want to run a piracy-friendly server?
that's something we strongly discourage
mighty storm
stiff yarrow
how much money have you lost to this guy
odd robin
tell me exactly what a ray id is if you know
stiff yarrow
sounds fake
odd robin
isnt ray id used for cloudfare
stiff yarrow
idk
odd robin
and only cloudfare
mighty storm
ray ID is your unique id for cloudflare requests
odd robin
they lie to people for years just for money
stiff yarrow
if you lost a significantly large amount of money take him to court
mighty storm
yeah let's not start witch hunts
odd robin
significantly? what amount
potent fossil
there's no good reason to ask for un other than doxxing :^)
odd robin
;like 1,000+?
potent fossil
lol, ok
odd robin
if you lost a significantly large amount of money take him to court
@stiff yarrow what amount like 1,000?
potent fossil
anyway @odd robin dont trust anyone on the internet. you can be cordial and friendly, but dont trust them with your assets in any case lol. that's just asking, practically begging, for them to fuck you over and run
stiff yarrow
lawyers cost a lot so it'd have to be well worth it
odd robin
yea im really gullible
stiff yarrow
also if hes not in your country its def not worth suing
wide chasm
Yeah, wouldn't do it for 1000 tbh
odd robin
yea he aint
stiff yarrow
but say he scammed you out of 10k and he lived in your country, then its probably worth, but idk I'm not a lawyer
next wind
wtf dont give people your info then
stiff yarrow
what kind of shady shit are you doing that allows him to blackmail you
next wind
yeah there should be no way for him to find it
odd robin
idk he can tell people my address
next wind
did he tell you your adress
potent fossil
that's not blackmail
odd robin
yea he did
next wind
if not then probably not true
stiff yarrow
yeah that is not black mail
next wind
not blackmail, but what kind of info are you giving them?
odd robin
if he tells people my address then that's bad
mighty storm
yes he goin straight to prison with htat kinda stuff lol
stiff yarrow
@odd robin did you register domains without any kind of whois protection using your home address?
@mighty storm only if hes in a reasonable country
potent fossil
blackmail implies you've done something illegal and if he talks about it that you're liable to be responsible in a legal matter
mighty storm
ah right
potent fossil
doxxing you (telling your addr) is not blackmail, but it's still not great
next wind
change all your passwords for anything he knows
stiff yarrow
add 2FA to everything
odd robin
yea if i do he'll find out and tell ppl my address and threaten me
potent fossil
yeah, sounds like you got a little too close to a stranger. don't do it again. do what they're telling you ^
stiff yarrow
don't let him know that you know he scammed tou
change your stuff first
change your email passwords
use a unique password for everything
odd robin
what if he like
stiff yarrow
look up bitwarden or lastpass
odd robin
what if he fries my router or something...
stiff yarrow
he can't
next wind
you cant do that
next wind
the worst he could do is ddos or dos
potent fossil
could you stop worrying about hypotheticals and go start taking some action by changing your passwords and adding 2FA? you're not helping yourself
odd robin
what is ddos
next wind
and then he would probably get destroyed by his isp
stiff yarrow
knowing someones IP is worthless without a way in
odd robin
and then he would probably get destroyed by his isp
@next wind isp?
mighty storm
internet service provider
odd robin
oh
next wind
get off of discord, just go change your passwords really quick
potent fossil
we're literally assuming this person who scammed him is some uber hacker. the reality is, they're both likely 13-14 years old and nothing is going to happen
next wind
no point in worrying
odd robin
but what if he does bad stuff
potent fossil
they're measuring internet dick size
next wind
lmao
potent fossil
im not even kidding
odd robin
i'll change my passwords
wide chasm
If he does bad stuff you go to the police, assuming you live in a slightly sane country, they'll take action.
odd robin
is there internet police or sum
next wind
i guess your isp
odd robin
also he lives in a different continent
potent fossil
i mean, there are, but they won't handle a small case of teenagers doxxing each other
you go to your regular police for that
stiff yarrow
are you under 18 bruh
next wind
dont worry about it yet, just go make your accounts secure
potent fossil
nossr that kinda goes without question here