Meh
#general
still cape
i think spanish is a great language for music
sly fog
Well.... there is 1812 Overture, although it has no russian lyrics in it
potent fossil
This one is hitting charts atm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4wf56HbpkY
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Spotify Track: Судно (Борис Рижий) by Molchat Doma from the album Этажи https://open.spotify.com/track/6DONTnamNDOJdO6DzCu71p
potent warren
its from tiktok though
a song isn't "from" TikTok.. it's just popular on TikTok 🤔
potent fossil
he threatened to do so but, not everyone is american
novel horizon
^^
mighty storm
i mean fortnite's still around and apple and google yeeted it
novel horizon
Even if, there should be still a lot of people on it
From their appstore, not from the existence
They still would be providing download for Fortnite through their website probably, no?
next wind
Mobile was like 1/3 of their playerbase
novel horizon
Yeah, it may be
mighty storm
yes they did
novel horizon
It's not like they can't ever get it on phones though
mighty storm
it's not on google play
novel horizon
You can still install it though, so
next wind
Yeah
novel horizon
That's what I'm talking about
novel horizon
If people want to play it, they will just download it from other sources
mighty storm
yeah not saying it's impossible
novel horizon
It depends, it may just show in their app "click this link and then this" so
next wind
It's just inconvenient
novel horizon
Yeah
ancient bolt
started setting up a repo for hosting patches, need to set up some tooling stuff etc etc, but I realized this is my last few hours of my 4 day weekend so I've decided to play doom instead
mighty storm
HI PROXI
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still cape
that's a cute kitty
mighty storm
is that urs prowoxi?
mighty storm
owo!
i expect many pictures in #adorable-pets
cats are great 🥺
are there any good cat apis
i wanna make my on in place of random.cat
mighty storm
oh nvm it's back
still cape
you can pretty much add me on any cat picture submissions
sly fog
I'm guessing by Cat API, you are not asking for something like this: https://http.cat/
ancient bolt
now this is the kind of install speeds I expect from a AAA game (glares at flight simulator)
zealous wedge
hehe today is my first day of the rest of the year and probably a good bit of 2021 off
cosmic raft
Bah
Why is C++ so annoying
trying to compile something
and obscure thing
/usr/include/c++/10.2.0/bits/unique_ptr.h:270:9: error: no matching function for call to ‘std::__uniq_ptr_data<std::__future_base::_Result_base, std::__future_base::_Result_base::_Deleter, true, true>::__uniq_ptr_data()’
zealous wedge
the more __ in your errors the better, right?
cosmic raft
like wtf does that even mean
static badge
welcome to the compiler
minor badge
rusts compiler would even tell you what to do to fix it .. . . . . . . .
cosmic raft
like does anyone have any clue
/usr/include/c++/10.2.0/bits/unique_ptr.h:270:9: error: no matching function for call to ‘std::__uniq_ptr_data<std::mutex, std::default_delete<std::mutex>, true, true>::__uniq_ptr_data()’
something is totally screwy
minor badge
its a template at least 
glad kelp
mighty storm
14 more until hard fork
still cape
awe wipes a tear
stiff yarrow
Why is C++ so annoying
@cosmic raft part of its charm
cosmic raft
no one has any idea? <.<
mental meadow
Maybe something is missing? Like some prerequisite it needs
cosmic raft
but its in the c++ dir it is erroring!
minor badge
also part of the charm
mental meadow
Good morning:3
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kash is enjoying c++, aurora!
mental meadow
Yay
olive marlin
@cosmic raft I believe its just the lower part of the error - tried to find function with this signature in that file, but t doesn't exist. There should be more info above iirc.
golden gust
I mean, the real horror is that it's inside of the systems include dir
olive marlin
It just tells you in which file he function should be, if it existed.
cosmic raft
/usr/include/c++/10.2.0/bits/unique_ptr.h:270:9: error: no matching function for call to ‘std::__uniq_ptr_data<std::__future_base::_Result_base, std::__future_base::_Result_base::_Deleter, true, true>::__uniq_ptr_data()’
is the first thing
/usr/include/c++/10.2.0/bits/unique_ptr.h: In instantiation of ‘constexpr std::unique_ptr<_Tp, _Dp>::unique_ptr() [with _Del = std::__future_base::_Result_base::_Deleter; <template-parameter-2-2> = void; _Tp = std::__future_base::_Result_base; _Dp = std::__future_base::_Result_base::_Deleter]’:
/usr/include/c++/10.2.0/future:324:77: required from here
/usr/include/c++/10.2.0/bits/unique_ptr.h:270:9: error: no matching function for call to ‘std::__uniq_ptr_data<std::__future_base::_Result_base, std::__future_base::_Result_base::_Deleter, true, true>::__uniq_ptr_data()’
270 | : _M_t()
| ^
I'd probably opn that header file at lone 270 and see what's declared there.
I feel like there must be more. I know C++ compiler errors are trash, but it should have more to it.
cosmic raft
sent a PM
spiral sparrow
hi kashikke
spiral zinc
no one has any idea? <.<
@cosmic raft what's the cpp file generating it
is there more?
mighty storm
Geeez why is the font massive on mobile
zealous wedge
@mighty storm geez why are you still awake
worn pasture
spiral zinc
https://paste.gg/p/kashike/472328bb0a534318845bec9a3bdfbb91
@cosmic raft
from /home/kashike/workspace/firestormviewer/phoenix-firestorm/indra/llimagej2coj/llimagej2coj.cpp:27:
show line 27
cosmic raft
#include "linden_common.h"
cedar spade
@mighty storm wake up
mighty storm
I'll wake up when I get a review on my essx PR smh
worn pasture
wake me up
mighty storm
outside
worn pasture
save meee
mighty storm
Howbou dah
spiral zinc
@cosmic raft are you trying to push unique ptrs to a vector or something by chance
spiral zinc
mm
what's your gcc version
and what OS do you run?
iirc on macos by default gcc is a stub for clang, so that error could be by result of an old compiler
doing a double take at that paste, it says 10.2.0
try using gcc 8 or clang++-7 @cosmic raft
quasi valley
🏓
spiral zinc
I ping people that I'm talking to every message if they're on DND
that way if they switch guilds they know I replied
cosmic raft
How do I make it use one of those instead? I have them installed already
spiral zinc
you're using cmake right?
pass these as arguments:
-DCMAKE_C_COMPILER=gcc-8 -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=g++-8
or clang-7 and clang++-7 respectively, if wanted
cosmic raft
lol
CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-3.18/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:165 (message):
Could NOT find Threads (missing: Threads_FOUND)
Call Stack (most recent call first):
/usr/share/cmake-3.18/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:458 (_FPHSA_FAILURE_MESSAGE)
/usr/share/cmake-3.18/Modules/FindThreads.cmake:234 (FIND_PACKAGE_HANDLE_STANDARD_ARGS)
cmake/LLPlugin.cmake:13 (find_package)
llplugin/slplugin/CMakeLists.txt:5 (include)
oh yeah
that's common
one sec
try to add
-DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="-pthread"
to the command line
cosmic raft
No change
clang-7 got further
-- Found Threads: TRUE
-- Could NOT find Doxygen (missing: DOXYGEN_EXECUTABLE)
-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
See also "/home/kashike/workspace/firestormviewer/phoenix-firestorm/build-linux-x86_64/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log".
See also "/home/kashike/workspace/firestormviewer/phoenix-firestorm/build-linux-x86_64/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log".
might be missing some dev libraries for the project you're compiling?
cosmic raft
blah, c++ is garbage
prime coral
^
cosmic raft
CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:11 (project):
The CMAKE_C_COMPILER:
clang-7
is not a full path and was not found in the PATH.
same with clang++-7 part
cosmic raft
I don't use macOS
zealous wedge
aren't you on arch now?
magic river
It wouldn't be the default anyway and if you're not on the latest or previous version there is no support anyway
magic river
If you're on Linux you must be on CentOS, Debian, or an old Ubuntu LTS
cosmic raft
seems it is just clang
magic river
Either way, get a newer toolchain or an older version of the software you're trying to build
cosmic raft
wrong, amaranth
spiral zinc
why would you want an older version
cosmic raft
Arch
clang-10: error: unknown argument: '-fabi-version=9'
clang-10: error: unknown argument: '-fabi-version=9'
found this now :D
magic river
Arch has shit clang versions?
spiral zinc
'-'
magic river
Or does this thing only build with old versions?
spiral zinc
clang-10
cosmic raft
arch has clang-10
magic river
clang is supposed to be gcc compatible 😛
spiral zinc
youd need to fix the threading thing, I had the same issue yesterday and edited the cmakelists if youre comfortable with that
magic river
There are a few things they don't support because they're just wrong or really complex and niche but the goal is that if gcc can compile it so can clang
spiral zinc
clang is supposed to be gcc compatible 😛
@magic river for the most part yeah
magic river
Just like on Windows it pretends to be MSVC
cosmic raft
yea and with gcc:
/usr/include/c++/10.2.0/bits/unique_ptr.h:270:9: error: no matching function for call to ‘std::__uniq_ptr_data<std::__future_base::_Result_base, std::__future_base::_Result_base::_Deleter, true, true>::__uniq_ptr_data()’
270 | : _M_t()
| ^
yeah gcc8 though
magic river
Are you trying to use libc++ with gcc? I thought it only supported libstdc++
cosmic raft
I have no clue
magic river
TIL gcc seems to support both
Although not easily, you have to build with -nodefaultlibs and then manually link in libc++ as well as all the glibc stuff
cosmic raft
Why is c++ such fucking trash?
magic river
What other language has multiple state of the art compilers and standard libraries and even has a chance to mix and match them?
Other than the stuff LLVM and GCC support I think the answer is Python
cosmic raft
like this makes no sense
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does anyone know of any nice timeline tools? https://time.graphics/ looks good but $100/yr kek no
cosmic raft
why is an internal c++ file saying that error
spiral zinc
no cmake?
spiral zinc
nvm
cosmic raft
need to specify some env variables/etc to build with it too
spiral sparrow
kashike can you show me your rice??
zealous wedge
that is extremely cursed
cosmic raft
@spiral sparrow what?
spiral sparrow
i have been learning more about linux 😄
i run it now
on gnome
idk what it means but its like a ss of ur desktop
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kashike i love u pls show me beans
cedar spade
mmm rice
magic river
I think I'd just download the binary at this point 😛
cedar spade
goes good with beans
spiral sparrow
can isee it kashike
cedar spade
wait fuck
I was meant to say "goes good with curry" but then my brain saw beans and said beans
I blame proxi
magic river
Arch is kind of like if you took homebrew and thought you should make a whole Linux distro out of it 😛
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ily2 md
magic river
Neat, Ubuntu 20.04 has clang 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10
I guess because things use it as a library and API stability is not a thing
@cosmic raft Perhaps when you tried to build with gcc cmake was still configured for a clang install so that's why it tried to use libc++?
Like if you're just flipping environment variables to change compilers I could see that being a thing
Nevermind, I'm just an idiot, /usr/include/c++ appears to be what libstdc++ uses
cosmic raft
➜ autobuild configure -A 64 -c ReleaseFS_open -- -DLL_TESTS:BOOL=FALSE --fmodstudio --no-opensim -DCMAKE_C_COMPILER=gcc -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=gcc
is what I did
so I assume it finds it at that time
magic river
Although I only have libstdc++ 9 which is paired with g++ 9, not sure how you get 10 paired with 7
cosmic raft
Huh?
magic river
I thought you said you had gcc 7?
cosmic raft
~
➜ gcc --version
gcc (GCC) 10.2.0
Copyright (C) 2020 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
~
➜ cmake --version
cmake version 3.18.2
CMake suite maintained and supported by Kitware (kitware.com/cmake).
~
Oh, it was clang 7
cosmic raft
yes
magic river
It's 3am, I'm going to blame that 😛
cosmic raft
or, well
magic river
So g++ 10 can't compile something in libstdc++ 10
cosmic raft
~
➜ clang --version
clang version 10.0.1
Target: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Thread model: posix
InstalledDir: /usr/bin
~
clang-7 is what @spiral zinc said to use
but arch has clang-10
magic river
If I had to guess at a cause I'd say it's just bad error reporting and the actual problem is something with template usage in the project
cosmic raft
bleh
magic river
You'd have to look further up the error stack and find what call the project is making that leads to that error
Then figure out what template invariant it violated but doesn't have concepts to warn you about beforehand
magic river
I'm way too out of practice to figure that out 😛
cosmic raft
:D
magic river
The lines in the project it points to are probably just #includes
cosmic raft
yup
magic river
Unless it's linden_common.h line 54
cosmic raft
54 is an include
to <memory>
memory:83 includes unique_ptr: # include <bits/unique_ptr.h>
magic river
Something something default move constructor
cosmic raft
default move constructor?
magic river
I think it's saying it's trying to call the internal method to move the pointer out of a std::unique_ptr but the thing in the unique_ptr is missing a move contructor?
I don't know, I haven't done C++ other than a patch here or there since 2011
spiral sparrow
kashike
magic river
Look for uses of unique_ptr in llimagej2coj.cpp maybe
cosmic raft
/usr/include/c++/10.2.0/bits/unique_ptr.h:270:9: error: no matching function for call to ‘std::__uniq_ptr_data<std::__future_base::_Result_base, std::__future_base::_Result_base::_Deleter, true, true>::__uniq_ptr_data()’
270 | : _M_t()
| ^
it makes no sense, it is c++ itself erroring?
magic river
I still think it's just bad error reporting and the actual problem is in your code
cosmic raft
not my code :P
magic river
Well, in this project's code
cosmic raft
if so
I am not hunting that down
phoenix-firestorm on master [!]
➜ cloc indra
10977 text files.
10676 unique files.
386 files ignored.
github.com/AlDanial/cloc v 1.86 T=6.01 s (1763.9 files/s, 340283.9 lines/s)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Language files blank comment code
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XML 7194 16512 7173 732666
C++ 1424 130170 133326 709109
C/C++ Header 1429 39862 70671 133313
HTML 25 225 0 15317
do you use gnome kashike
cosmic raft
no
spiral sparrow
which one
magic river
It has to be something in llimagej2coj.cpp or a file it includes
And it's probably some usage of std::unique_ptr
spiral sparrow
cosmic raft
llimagej2coj includes linden_common.h which includes <memory> which includes <bits/unique_ptr.h>
congratulations huck, you answered yourself
magic river
Don't follow it that literally, I'm saying it probably is failing at telling you where the problem actually is because the problem is from template substitution and SFINAE is a thing so detecting that correctly is hard
cosmic raft
at this point I'm tempted to just grab a DO vps and build it there to see if it works
magic river
cosmic raft
here, a newer one even: https://i.imgur.com/BVePgMU.png
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just don't use C++ 
cosmic raft
yea honestly leaf
magic river
Rust Evangelism Strike Force
cosmic raft
easier to write brainfuck
static badge
C is better 
magic river
C is never better for reasons that have anything to do with C
I wouldn't want to write more than 1000 lines of C for a project before I'd worry about messing up ownership rules and projects that small usually aren't performance sensitive or could be written in Rust just as easily if they are
C is the language to use if you need portability as a primary feature
cosmic raft
ownership rules?
magic river
Who allocates, who frees, has something been free'd yet or not
static badge
easy, design a missile
static pilot
kashike do you run high refresh rates or just 60
magic river
Missles never free, they just ensure they have enough memory to not run out before they land
static pilot
I notice you have 2x 1920x1080 monitors
cosmic raft
no idea
static pilot
if you don’t know prob 60
static badge
no idea
static pilot
wbu leaf
cosmic raft
i don't really care
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60
magic river
I've been thinking about getting some 4K monitors for my desktop but the only 24" ones are really expensive and generally bad for gaming
cosmic raft
yes michael
twin lagoon
gl getting 4k or 1440p high refreshrates on 24"
cosmic raft
bought them in 2016
twin lagoon
@cosmic raft you should get new ones sometime
cosmic raft
4k was insane expensive then
magic river
Not sure if 27" would fit well on my desk
twin lagoon
27" is where 1080p gets bad
cosmic raft
4k ones are still expensive as fuck
magic river
And 4k 27" is still either really expensive or junk
cosmic raft
ok, find me a good one to replace a 27" 1080p
static pilot
gl getting 4k or 1440p high refreshrates on 24"
@twin lagoon what
cosmic raft
you choose
magic river
There is a 28" one that seems to hit a sweet spot on price, quality, and features
static pilot
you can get high refresh rates on 24”
magic river
1440p 120Hz on 24" didn't seem hard
static pilot
your size doesn’t matter
twin lagoon
no
it's not about that
it's about the availability
there is like no monitor available at 24" with either 1440p or 4k, with a high refreshrate
static pilot
i think it’s just a matter of whether the reso looks good for it
twin lagoon
ultrasharp pog
static pilot
michael what the fuck do you think about nixos
cosmic raft
yea those are way to expensive
cosmic raft
$502 each
void void
nixos is dope
void void
i run it on a server
static pilot
wha
magic river
void void
but it lacks knobs and shit sometimes
ancient bolt
I am generally going to avoid any non-USB-C monitors from here on though
magic river
nix is super unfriendly
void void
so you must get your hands dirty more often than you can expect
void void
if things work, good for you. if they don't, then you are very fucked
static pilot
I want to run linux as my primary OS again but I’ve been having issues getting high refresh rates to work nicely on it
magic river
Like, brush up on your graph theory and print a copy of the man pages otherwise you won't even know what terms to search for to figure out how to do what you want
ancient bolt
also HDR which is nice
static pilot
apps run in like 60
ancient bolt
linux won't have good high refresh rate support until 2025
magic river
gnome-shell/mutter currently only does 60 FPS iirc
magic river
There are some recent patches to support other things, even variable refresh rates, but they're either in the version coming out in a few weeks or pending for the version after that
static pilot
gnome plays nicely with 144 kinda
i wish sway supported proprietary nvidia drivers
there’s some things that unfuck high refresh rates there buut
you know
nvidia hates fucking open source
magic river
Higher and variable refresh rates on Xorg are a bit of a shitshow iirc, wayland is your only hope at having something sane but then the compositor needs to support it and mutter doesn't
Although I might be thinking of mixed refresh rates being the thing missing and it does support higher ones currently
Assuming all your outputs have the same refresh rate
ancient bolt
yeah wayland is the only hope for anything modern, but then nothing supports it and nvidia can't run wayland so yay year of the linux desktop here we goooo
lets all thank microsoft for bringing us the year of the linux desktop
static pilot
ughhh
sounds like I'm gonna actually have to stick to Windows for a while
or amd gpu 🙂
maybe soon
ancient bolt
as someone who uses linux as their main OS, I wouldn't recommend basically anyone to use linux as their main OS
magic river
Of course just because your monitor and gnome-shell support it doesn't mean your apps will, a lot of them have a 60 fps cap hardcoded because the alternative was locking to vsync and getting a frame or two of latency from poor coordination between app, X server, and compositor
ancient bolt
Linux fucking sucks
static pilot
Of course just because your monitor and gnome-shell support it doesn't mean your apps will, a lot of them have a 60 fps cap hardcoded because the alternative was locking to vsync and getting a frame or two of latency from poor coordination between app, X server, and compositor
@magic river Yeah, that's the issue
GNOME works fine on 144hz
the thing is
most apps run in 60hz
on xorg
magic river
iirc Windows Vista had the same issue
static pilot
The underlying issue has always been Xorg
magic river
And not everything uses/used the new APIs in Win7+ to make it work right
Windows Vista was basically similar to the X11 model where you have your desktop shell, display server, and compositor as different things
In some future version they merged so now if you kill dwm.exe it'll log you out
desktop shell is still separate though I guess, good old explorer.exe
static badge
windows
twin lagoon
mikro uses nixos / linux
void void
and sadly osx
magic river
nixos is Linux for Computer Science PhDs 😛
static badge
linux is for skrubs
static pilot
mikro uses nixos / linux
I thought he just said he only used it for servers
void void
ur skrub
static pilot
it's definitely something I want to check out soon
even if im not going to stick on it for long
twin lagoon
don't you run on desktop too mikro
void void
i used to run nixos on desktop
twin lagoon
o
magic river
Seriously though, nixos is like git, an amazing idea with terrible tooling
void void
but i lost the hardware which is able to run vanilla nixos
static badge
wat's nixos
void void
now i have to go through 5 gates of hell to get it running on my mbp
no thanks
i run arch on my mbp
magic river
git has become slightly more user friendly over time and we've just adjusted enough to muddle our way through it because the improvement was worth it
spiral zinc
I have a handy index I wrote somewhere that contains a bunch of useful tools for working with NixOS
static pilot
i run arch on my mbp
@void void should just run macos tbh
magic river
iirc I spent like an hour trying to figure out how to install things with nix (not nixos) because it uses a weird name for the subcommand
Once I realized what I was looking for I just dropped it and went out to find a PPA for what I wanted to install
spiral zinc
mm nevermind, discord does not parse markdown
potent fossil
it parses a subset but not hyperlinks, thank jesus
magic river
It does, just not that 😛
potent fossil
embeds do
this may be an 'easy' integral, but man. i struggled lol https://owo.whats-th.is/2Zcv7xD.png
magic river
btw that newegg link earlier is for a 24" 1440p 144Hz monitor
potent fossil
that was like attempt 6
magic river
Is that the math for how to install things with nix?
potent fossil
yes
void void
@void void should just run macos tbh
@static pilot no macos is unusable
magic river
TN is what you want for gaming?
static pilot
@static pilot no macos is unusable
@void void I'd use it if I could tbh
TN is what you want for gaming?
IPS
void void
go install hackintosh or
twin lagoon
IPS >
magic river
Especially if you're after high refresh rates
void void
.g osx-kvm
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magic river
IPS has terrible G2G times
twin lagoon
it's fine on high-end monitors
potent fossil
why have an mbp if you just remove macos 
they aren't even that powerful hardware
magic river
Not compared to TN monitors
void void
either way https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM
merry talon
yeah but TN looks like trash
twin lagoon
^
void void
why have an mbp if you just remove macos
also pointless to do that because for firmware updates you NEED macos
magic river
Modern TN has overcome most of the downsides with fancy filters and shit
Kind of like IPS has mostly overcome the slow redraws
void void
i do?
potent fossil
so now you're saying it's pointless?
void void
dual boot is a thing?
potent fossil
dear god
magic river
The differences between them still exist but aren't as extreme
magic river
OSX-KVM requires two video cards anyway
void void
how does dual booting make me a masochist lmao
magic river
Unless you want your Linux environment to be something you only remote in to from the macOS environment
potent fossil
dual booting doesnt, dual booting on an mbp does
void void
how
spiral zinc
Dual booting macOS and arch
void void
just the matter of setting up another EFI partition
installing grub in portable mode
that's it
potent fossil
$2000 space heater
magic river
Which is a valid setup, you get Linux at native speed and macOS has emulated peripherals so works more sanely on a hackintosh setup
spiral zinc
but why?
void void
hey this piece of crap metal was a gift after all
spiral zinc
Which is a valid setup, you get Linux at native speed and macOS has emulated peripherals so works more sanely on a hackintosh setup
you could do that, but if you're already running linux at that point just run linux
spiral zinc
what's the benefits of running macOS with vfio
void void
i need linux for virt-manager & faster emacs; both what you can not do with macos
magic river
I'd prefer to use macOS for my normal laptop things
void void
3rd party virt-manager homebrew tap is severely out of date and buggy
completely unusable
emacs is 20x slower to boot and do anything
magic river
It's not terrible at development, it's great for normal user things, and the host Linux environment is available for my vagrant and docker needs
spiral zinc
I'd prefer to use macOS for my normal laptop things
most laptops have the screen driven by the dGPU by wiring even when using only the iGPU
void void
only thing that osx does better right now is lower power usage
spiral zinc
overcomplicates VFIO
void void
and it can actually use intel gpu
because how dumbly apple wired the gpus
amd gpu is wired to the displays, instead of intel gpu
and that's a setup what linux does not seem to support at all
magic river
@spiral zinc that's news to me, I was under the impression it's the opposite and they do a FB copy from dGPU to iGPU when the dGPU is active
potent fossil
im becoming delusional, i just tried to input a math equation into google translate
spiral zinc
a lot of laptops have their wiring diagrams online for public view
magic river
That way the dGPU can be completely powered down most of the time but when you're using the 40W thing an extra 1-2W for the iGPU is no big deal
Having the monitor hooked up to the dGPU display engine means you rely on the dGPU having really good power management so it can power off the actual GPU parts without turning that part off
aka really low idle power
And by really good I mean it'd better idle at < 1W because according to powertop when reading a webpage in Firefox while having Discord, terminals, IDE, and mail client running too my laptop only uses like 2-3W
So having the dGPU "only" use a couple watts when idle is double my power usage
void void
also to enable intel gpu on non-macos OS-es
you must use this funny thing:
sec
while it does the trick, exposes igpu to linux
you can't actually use it
and you'll lose backlight control
magic river
I discovered the best way to run Linux on a MBP is to run it full screen in VMWare 😛
When I got a 2011 MBP (first Sandy Bridge laptop available right when I was looking to buy one) I spent like 4 months trying to get Ubuntu to work well and it ended up more stable and with better battery life running macOS with an always open full screen VMWare instance
Over the next year I slowly transitioned to pure macOS usage though
spiral zinc
That way the dGPU can be completely powered down most of the time but when you're using the 40W thing an extra 1-2W for the iGPU is no big deal
@magic river meh dunno
I'm no topic expert on laptops but reconsidering, unless you needed to output like 144Hz 1080p I think most screens would be driven by the iGPU in a laptop so that you can power down the dGPU otherwise it would just ruin the battery lol
my friend says VFIO is possible but most laptop mobos don't actually support it correctly though
maybe you're right, idk honestly lol
void void
I discovered the best way to run Linux on a MBP is to run it full screen in VMWare 😛
unless you want newer opengl
then it's not an option sadly
muh meinkraft sheiders
aand wine! borderlands (only game i play these days) performs a lot shittier on windows than on linux smh
i did triple boot at some point
quasi valley
I saw you play Dead Cells yesterday, mikro!
void void
ok besides minecraft trig
if i didn't play minecraft i wouldn't be even here anymore very likely
woven otter
Wow mikro you liar
olive garden
I don't think I have played minecraft ever since I got a minecraft job
oh, no, we had a game night in MC once with the company
my point is: you don't need to play MC to be here, you just need to have played MC
void void
okay alright, lemme reword
if i lost interest of this game, i wouldn't be here anymore
void void
shut up lambda aboozer
olive garden
booze 😍
void void
so am i
olive garden
okay, not really, but still
woven otter
Liar
olive garden
you're distracting me from my very important class
how will I learn the printf method?!
woven otter
Drinking is not a class
olive garden
while I do have a retarded "classmate", I'm not yet at the point where I need to be drunk to be able to bear the classes
go drink with your gf
vestal jasper
Do I get 3 more hours of sleep or do I get up
olive garden
get up
olive garden
and then use the extra time to work out or take a run, and then have a cold shower
oh well, I tried
olive garden
oh, then go back to sleep
woven otter
What lesson
vestal jasper
To not go outside at 2 am
woven otter
Why
vestal jasper
Some cunt mugged and assaulted me.
woven otter
Wtf
vestal jasper
To this day I still want to beat the everliving shit out of whoever did it.
potent fossil
Say you're in a company and a higher up emails you, asking if you want to play rock, paper, scissors on who (you or them) should do a task (when task is yours to do), what is a witty reply? Obviously, the higher up doesn't actually expect you'd play it and is semi-playfully letting you know that you need to do it without directly asking
woven otter
On unrelated note is there something like gsmarena but for laptops
vestal jasper
Tell him you'll fax him your choice. And send him an empty document.
@potent fossil
Discord pls I want my emotes
olive garden
lmao that's a genius answer vic
my original idea was to just email them your answer, so they can obviously reply with the counter to it
but that's a funnier way of doing that :D
vestal jasper
See how long it takes for him to realise you chose paper.
potent fossil
Well, it's not for me. However, I just said to reply with: "That wouldn't be fair. I always win rock, paper, scissors. I'll handle it right away."
still cape
i rock this job so i'll do it, i don't play rock paper scissors with the one who has the pink slips
vestal jasper
Just play rock paper scissors to see who gets written up
potent fossil
I really struggled to understand the joking nature of that, I swear. I got put on the spot and now my fiancee is mad at me for not being able to understand the joke.
What a night
vestal jasper
The fax one?
potent fossil
No, the higher up emailing to ask if she wants to play rock paper scissors
vestal jasper
Ah
potent fossil
She asked her own manager who informed her it's a joke and to find a witty reply, and then she called me to ask for a witty reply but I didn't understand the joke so couldn't think of one
And now she's mad at me because I couldn't think of one
But, claims she's not mad.
vestal jasper
I have emotes again. Nice.
potent fossil
But I can read her tone of voice, she ain't fooling me.
so im just like zed moment
twin lagoon
@viral hornet 🥺
viral hornet
@twin lagoon 🥺
quasi valley
michale you 🐌
twin lagoon
hello kneny
potent fossil
lol now im getting short replies and " 🙂 "
quasi valley
I HAD TO PUSH RC1 TO THE DEVBRANCH AS A BACKPORT TO THE NON-BREAKING VV VERSION BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THERE WOULDNT BE A .3
potent fossil
get fucked
wide chasm
Mojang hates ViaVersion confirmed
quasi valley
it has some slick optimizations michael you know, but you won't get that because we'll only backport the .3 version support for the next release
still cape
🤪
quasi valley
so 🐌
twin lagoon
zzzzz
quasi valley
nighty night
magic river
magic river
It must be way slower than the Series X or something
wide chasm
It looks like an oversized speaker
quasi valley
more like a radio standing on its side
wide chasm
Also no disc drive 😦
quasi valley
don't need a disc drive if you just stay on pc
twin lagoon
and even if you buy a console game on a disc
cosmic raft
hey kenny
twin lagoon
chances are you're going to have to update it after installation
cosmic raft
you know how german has some realllllly long words?
quasi valley
yes
wide chasm
I still want a physical disc, though.
cosmic raft
canada does that, but with emails
ssc.neubdnengineering-dgrufrdingenierie.spc@canada.ca
wide chasm
Not that I'm gonna buy an Xbox Series, but still
quasi valley
the hell is that
twin lagoon
dgrfurudeinienrklsdg
quasi valley
😂
cosmic raft
an email
quasi valley
very sexy
cosmic raft
ssc.securityoperations-operationsdelasecurite.spc@canada.ca
another
english-french@canada.ca basically
twin lagoon
ok but
Donaudampfschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft might be longer
vestal jasper
Series X. Series S. When will they pull a tesla and have a Series E?
cosmic raft
I mean Canada is just full of weirdness with domains/emails
ssc.neubdnengineering-dgrufrdingenierie.spc@canada.ca
is....
Government of Canada Science Network
obvious, right?
quasi valley
obviously.
cosmic raft
:D
quasi valley
in a couple o years I'll also have to go to canada to see snow lol
viral hornet
kash, I will promise to bring no spiders
quasi valley
YES
viral hornet
are you anaphylactic michael?
twin lagoon
twin lagoon
viral hornet
and you can go see ben too ig
twin lagoon
@quasi valley kneny pls fix [ViaVersion] ERROR IN Protocol1_7_6_10TO1_8 IN REMAP OF 0x33->0x33
🐌
twin lagoon
topaz mortar
@twin lagoon just why? No one cares if 1.7.10 or 1.8.x isn't working.
wide chasm
But the pvpers!
twin lagoon
wide chasm
I agree with Duck
quasi valley
@woven otter ur ugly
vestal jasper
City im using cloud tonight And there's nothing you can do to stop me
topaz mortar
Just rip of the Aether Logo. 😄
quasi valley
boo
heady spear
tf camm
viral hornet
The font is early 2000's
heady spear
why are you so mean
viral hornet
IM SORRY D:
heady spear
I spent a good 5 minutes on that
viral hornet
I'm not trying to be mean
heady spear
well u sure r
heady spear
your is spelled your, but CLOYD would be weird
vestal jasper
Cloud cloyd
woven otter
@heady spear its really ugly please delete it. Also delete your repo too.
@quasi valley ur upsidedown 
vestal jasper
@quasi valley
wide chasm
Fixed it for you City
vestal jasper
Mixing opposing colours 😷
heady spear
wtf why would I delete the repo
http://cloud.alexander-soderberg.com
there i made redirect for it
I should prolly work on the code instead
woven otter
Ur a typo
heady spear
stop being mean
viral hornet
Don't be sad city
heady spear
I am tho
void void
just cheer up smh my head
heady spear
v sad
void void
stop feeling sad everything will be ok
heady spear
am gonna go n write dum parsers for dum cmd library
they r so boring
who uses any other primitives than integer
n y
void void
double
heady spear
no doubles are gross
vestal jasper
@viral hornet alarm is set for 7 am PST. Kinda hungry first tho lul.
void void
ur gross
void void
wtf wtf wtf
vestal jasper
City release cloud and you'll be less gross
viral hornet
just make your design simple city
woven otter
am gonna go n write dum parsers for dum cmd library
@heady spear ur a parser
quasi valley
comic sans, white background
viral hornet
woven otter
*clown
quasi valley
not comic sans 0/10
heady spear
that is very ugly
woven otter
Not upside down 10/0
void void
ur command library should be called cum - command ultimate manager
dumb simple and odd name
viral hornet
It's ugly yes
void void
sell api jars on spigot for 20€
heady spear
no it's clearly cloyd so camm doesn't get confused
vestal jasper
"man I love cum. I'd suggest cum to all my friends"
viral hornet
wtf
topaz mortar
This discussion has a big cloud flair/flare. 😄
heady spear
wait so
the nukkit 2.0 module will be cloud-cloudburst
that's ugly, ima force Zed to rename cloudburst
vestal jasper
Mikro I got one even worse
topaz mortar
Nuke it. The idea of supporting Nukkit.
topaz mortar
Command Utility Module?
heady spear
this is not a competition, aikar's command framework is amazing and I would never say otherwise
vestal jasper
Hey it means Command Ultimate Manager
heady spear
I am not making this as a replacement for ACF, it's just an alternative.
viral hornet
so players stop yelling at me zzzzzzzz
vestal jasper
I'm eating pizza I haven't eaten in 15 hours v
vestal jasper
REEEEE
quasi valley
you neither 
viral hornet
im busy
quasi valley
also, my avatar is it already 😎
heady spear
Ok so I am gonna name my brig mapping thingy Ares, because that's the Greek god of war, and their gods lived on Mt. Olympus, which is above the clouds
heady spear
o
cosmic raft
topaz mortar
😄
heady spear
can't do gay stuff in case I wanna move to Russia, wouldn't look good
so am gonna marry a girl and make lots of children, she will be my beard
cosmic raft
😿
cosmic raft
nah
heady spear
ur cute, nice n smart
very likeable
ofc u will find someone
multiple people, u will have an entire harem
cosmic raft
lol
woven otter
Clownlib
viral hornet
lmao @quasi valley
BIGG DADDY
It makes me really uncomfortable someone would name themselves that on Spigot
Also im using your plugin ty
viral hornet
Can I hop on your face for pets too?
vestal jasper
You can sit on it
Why does that phrase make my phone suggest the winking and blushing emotes. Phone?
void void
your phone knows what you're up to
vestal jasper
:^)
vestal jasper
He keeps booping me
Ok ow I just accidentally poured hot wax on my leg
I swear it was an accident
woven otter
Oh so you are into BDSM
vestal jasper
heady spear
Does anyone know of a decent library for doing string based context resolving/parsing? I dun wanna havs to redo evryting
green turret
Yo kash you gotta just find yourself man!
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@heady spear time to make me do more :')
viral hornet
@cosmic raft you're cute af 
heady spear
Plz
gilded steppe
anyone can recommend a good (lot of RAM for cheap $) minecraft host for paper in EU?
vernal moth
I love your definition of good
heady spear
Have u heard about this host called bisecthosting
Kash u ignored me yesterday when I asked about #community-guilds 😦
rotund cargo
@vestal jasper Heya :)
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?warn @heady spear This is not a marketplace; you're free to recommend hosts, but personal gain takes it over the line to sales.
leaden oxideBOT
Warning logged for Citymonstret#8560. I couldn't DM them. || This is not a marketplace; you're free to recommend hosts, but personal gain takes it over the line to sales.
heady spear
sry
woven otter
Rekt
heady spear
shut up, bullying is mean n illegal
woven otter
It's not if we are bullying you
heady spear
that is not true
cedar spade
aww kash :(
mossy vessel
Are the people mean to you again?
woven otter
Are people not mean to city all the time
heady spear
nah it's mostly you
woven otter
Uwu
sharp sentinel
What I wanna know is are you only a weeb here, or does weeb transcend your username
quasi valley
I think he’s only a weeb here
to fit in with the other scary people here, like duck
woven otter
Ewww no
sharp sentinel
If Duck was upside down, would it be Upside Duck, or Duckside Down
mental meadow
Spigot has this nice API to check for updates, but is there also some way to download that update?
I'm talking about that: https://api.spigotmc.org/legacy/update.php?resource=25
would like to expand our update script to finally support spigot ressources
woven otter
Hangar when
sharp sentinel
Ah, yes, Spigot
/legacy/
mental meadow
What else did you expect 😄
left swift
Ducks naturally flip upside down dont try to hide it from us duck
mental meadow
We have this nice site to check and automatically download updates, but since Spigot is behind cloudflare it's not working for spigot ressources
woven otter
It's a lie
heady spear
stop bashing my command framework n get a life dude
still cape
don't ruffle duck's feathers
left swift
Ändern
woven otter
N it sucks and u suck too
heady spear
ur just salty bcuz u life on the wrong side of the baltic sea
left swift
Löschen
woven otter
Im only salty because i ate some salt
mossy vessel
Spigot update kek
left swift
Roasted duck yum
woven otter
Ur out of mana
left swift
heady spear
nmf how come u haven't starred my repo
woven otter
It's just that bad
mossy vessel
Which one?
heady spear
my command one >:(((
woven otter
Dont star that one
heady spear
I've abandoned what... two projects?
woven otter
It's named cloud
heady spear
the permission one and irongolem
woven otter
Name alone tells that it's bad
mossy vessel
Ignoring the stale branches
heady spear
I've finished the libraries I've started soo
woven otter
And the banner is atrocious
heady spear
fuck off duck
left swift
Damn city be up in flames right now cuz be gettin roasted
woven otter
It's the worst
mental meadow
why not name it cloyd city
heady spear
:(((
left swift
Čłøüđ
woven otter
Clown 🤡
heady spear
http://cloud.alexander-soderberg.com/
The library was named cloud because using it makes you feel like you're floating around on a cloud in heaven. It's an experience of pure bliss and joy. This is unlike the experience of using any command framework that currently exists for the JVM, which can be compared to drowning in a pool of lava while watching your family get eaten by a pack of wolves.
the name has meaning
ffs
mossy vessel
That looks pretty gae
cosmic raft
bleh
woven otter
It's ugly 🤢
heady spear
it uses comic sans for effect
woven otter
Weirdo
limber knotBOT
"Allow for commands to be defined using builder patterns" <3
void void
g a e
heady spear
kashhhhhhh what a mans gotta do to get in #community-guilds
woven otter
City ur weird
mossy vessel
kashhhhhhh what a mans gotta do to get in #community-guilds
Those who aren't annoying
runs
heady spear
bro im trying to get is in there you moron
sharp sentinel
That doesn't look like Piston 🤔
cosmic raft
/me is not having a good night
woven otter
Chains? What?
mossy vessel
bro im trying to get is in there you moron
Smh
viral hornet
Yes I have kash 😠
heady spear
I don't think he likes IS, nmf
woven otter
City is the worst
left swift
Chain me up into pieces this is my last report
mental meadow
heady spear
but if MOSS can be in there then we deserve it too D: kash has a ❤️ role in there after all
limber knotBOT
docs wen city?!?
mossy vessel
Probs needs a better bribe
cosmic raft
City
sharp sentinel
Paper hasn't ever had a bear attack, and it doesn't have the IS discord linked... Could just be a coincidence, but is it worth the risk? 👀
limber knotBOT
I guess I have to write my own command framework then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cosmic raft
send me a DM asking about adding IS, will do it tomorrow if I can
city ^
include an invite link
left swift
mental meadow
kash if you just want city to slide in your dms there are easier ways
heady spear
ok, dw no rush lol, take care of urself because we care about u
woven otter
You guys try to hard to compete with acf 