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quasi valley
well you have to take the higher tier to use the higher gift
vagrant niche
its ugly
wide chasm
Worse
spice finch
It worked, but... Ehh I lost my nitro badge with "Subscriber since" :(
violet grotto
mm
wide chasm
I mean, some variation within the grass would obviosuly be nice, but this stands out too much
limber knotBOT
so. much. noise.
violet grotto
guess i should not have followed EWG on this design choice
vagrant niche
ye, my card on paypal expired and lost my nitro :(
violet grotto
Was looking for something to make plains look a bit less empty
so settled for random noise yeah
limber knotBOT
I mean, it's in the name...
violet grotto
Didn't receive feedback about it until now, so gotta figure something out to change it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wide chasm
Dammit, I import Foundation into IJ and already got a URL to download a plugin from his VCS. Let's see if there's still premium shit I can access.
vagrant niche
why tf u using that
spice finch
.g foundation minecraft
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://minecraft.net/en-us/article/how-structure-your-build -- How to Structure your Build | Minecraft: "May 8, 2017 ... The shape of your build affects everything from the foundations to the roof. For many builders simplicity is key, but more..."
wide chasm
I'm gonna make a PR to resolve the bs metrics disallowing disabling
vagrant niche
Lol, but its not a bug its a feature.
spice finch
What's foundation? Google shows only magma engine
limber knotBOT
while you are at it just remove the ad from the readme too ;)
mental meadow
While you are at it link them this: https://docs.github.com/en/github/administering-a-repository/deleting-a-repository
vagrant niche
make it print a giant message on the console about mineacademy
tame aurora
I'm gonna make a PR to resolve the bs metrics disallowing disabling
@wide chasm Nope. I don't want bStats in there at all. People should not use any 3rd party libraries at all to obtain bStats.
wide chasm
I mean, I can also remove it and attach this message in the PR and hope, but I doubt he will do that.
limber knotBOT
yeah, just add the maven info into the pom of it
vagrant niche
Hell just ignore it
limber knotBOT
lmao, their inventory GUI is exploitable. gg
tame aurora
I will create an issue on his repo on my own.
If he doesn't remove it, I will just ban every single plugin that uses his lib and tell his customers why.
mental meadow
Adobe support at it's best:
me: "Hey I moved to Austria, please update the country in my profile"
support: "Hey, no problem. I'm updating your profile to Australia. If you need any help let me know"
tame aurora
pull?
wide chasm
What a surprise, all these plugins he made available in the pom.xml are still downloadable.
limber knotBOT
or merge, however you want to call that action ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wide chasm
Even though he made the entire stuff private last time
limber knotBOT
I just don't get why he can't use the official repos (where applicable)
tame aurora
Ohh, that's what you mean. The last few weeks were pretty stressful and for the next 4 weeks I'm on vacation.
After that I will most likely have time. Sorry that it takes so long 🙈
tame aurora
For bar charts you just have to come up with a structure on how to store them in Redis. The rest should be pretty straight forward as most of the work is already done.
limber knotBOT
yeah, that's what I got "stuck" at when I glanced at how to do that too so I decided to do multiline stuff as the storage looked more straight forward for that
wide chasm
Oh look, FactionsUUID, premium plugin, freely available from kangarko's bitbucket, hooray /s
tame aurora
Yes, the Redis structure was already designed with Multiline charts in mind.
limber knotBOT
(just to get a feel for the codebase before trying to add more complex storage stuff, lol)
kindred storm
well doesn't FactionsUUID have an open-source license that allows such redistribution?
limber knotBOT
I think that's why he added /s ;)
vernal moth
Oh look, FactionsUUID, premium plugin, freely available from kangarko's bitbucket, hooray /s
@wide chasm the licence allows it tho
I mean, he needs to distribute the licence and source and stuff
But it's an open source plugin 🤷
limber knotBOT
smh
wide chasm
I mean, sure, but Spigot still states in the rules that you can't distribute premium plugins, which it is.
kindred storm
Besides violating numerous licenses, everything is going fine : )
limber knotBOT
stefvanschie: I mean, spigot rules only apply to spigot
kindred storm
Spigot does not have jurisdiction over the amazing Foundation repository
wide chasm
Sure, but the last time we reported kangarko for distributing numerous premium resources, there was afaik still some discussion internally among mods, so...
worn ember
mfw your friends are becoming dads and you dont even have a gf yet
vernal moth
I mean, sure, but Spigot still states in the rules that you can't distribute premium plugins, which it is.
@wide chasm last time I checked spigot rules don't apply to the rest of the internet, lol
limber knotBOT
also you would have to proof that the shared jar file is downloaded from spigot and not built manually from the repo. granted that's possible but also easy to fix
well they could in regards to copyright law if you actually go to court over it, lol
quasi valley
aw was just cosily playing switch
wide chasm
Sure, but if I start putting a bunch of premium resources on my website, I'm pretty sure I'd be banned from Spigot.
worn ember
no
wide chasm
Even though those plugins are not distributed via Spigot, but my own website.
limber knotBOT
questionable
vernal moth
How would spigot validate that you are you?
limber knotBOT
how could anyone be sure that it's your website and not someone trying to get you banned? lol
wide chasm
Sure, you need some proof, but if you have that...
limber knotBOT
I mean I guess if you properly sign all your profiles with your private key then maybe
worn ember
thats like saying you'd get banned from OVH for abusing a server on Hetzner
doesnt make any sense
their rules hold no merit outside of their website
limber knotBOT
I'm pretty sure OVH bans certain bot net behaviour that only occured on hetzner but is common knowledge ;)
wide chasm
They can still ban me on Spigot, which is their website.
worn ember
yes they can
limber knotBOT
if you want to get banned it's of course possible, lol
worn ember
they can ban you right now with no reason either
wide chasm
Sure
worn ember
but given how little the staff give a shit about stuff that happens outside of spigot
i doubt it
limber knotBOT
I mean nobody is interested in taking legal actions so there isn't much one can do
wide chasm
I mean, we reported kangarko last time for distributing premium resources outside of Spigot as well, staff looked into it afaik. I doubt they would have looked into it, if they won't ever do anything about distributing outside of Spigot.
worn ember
easier to ignore it
wide chasm
Easier to not have staff and turn Spigot into an anarchy forums where everything is allowed.
Yet, that isn't the case either.
limber knotBOT
it's almost as if nobody gets payed for that shit 👀
kindred storm
but its sooo hard to be the CEO of MineAcademy!
vernal moth
TIL that faangsexual is a thing
worn ember
that would be bad for their platform stef
its about doing as little as possible without turning the forums in a shitshow (hehe)
vernal moth
I thought the forums are a shitshow
wide chasm
I mean, letting people redistribute premium resources, while doing absolutely nothing about it is also bad for their platform.
Also ^
quick pasture
anyone on macos bigsur? pls upvote dis https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360071916351-Discord-windows-doesn-t-work-properly-on-macOS-Big-Sur
worn ember
yeah good luck getting anything fixed in electron
vernal moth
Just use discord in the browser like normal ppl
quick pasture
I dont think its electron actually
worn ember
i still have that overflow issue from 5 years ago
quick pasture
slack/postman is also electron iirc and they close just fine
vagrant niche
wrap the browser discord into an electron client
worn ember
wrap lex in latex
limber knotBOT
stefvanschie: nobody stops author's from taking action or organizing a combined legal action against leaking platforms
in the past however the interest just wasn't there for such actions (probably because nobody wanted to pay money...)
limber knotBOT
well some have made a good amount but yeah, that's basically it
I personally just don't care, it's rather hilerious that they leak open source resources lol
wide chasm
Well, sure, but as you said, legal action would cost a ton of money.
limber knotBOT
I actually encourage leakers to leave the metrics in there and put their own identifier so that I can track which leaker is the most succesfull ;D
only really need a couple hundred dollars to get a lawyer to start stuff tbh., granted you could just write dmca takedown notices yourself but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I wonder, do DMCA takedown notices only work if you are an US citizen?
olive patio
I think it applies in any other country that has an agreement with the US on stuff like that
vagrant niche
Fake the metrics to add more, sue for damages
limber knotBOT
lmao
olive patio
HOLY
limber knotBOT
the one I'm going to write soon ;)
limber knotBOT
I'm open for name suggestions btw ;D
"right now" is going to be pretty expensive, mate
also the best I can do anyways is 6 hours :P
wide chasm
Phoenix, you should start a case. ChestShop is in there as well 😉
left swift
The name..... UltimateAsyncAuctionsX
limber knotBOT
ChestShop is just LGPL so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
worn ember
who wants to use chestshop anyway
limber knotBOT
:(
wide chasm
Wow
worn ember
reeee now i gotta figure out how templating works in WPF, i remember doing it at some point but it was yuck
limber knotBOT
guys, I have the ultimate solution for the leak sites!
just add this image to your description: https://i.phoenix616.dev/fKKnYNpM.jpg
runs
wide chasm
Wow, phoenix, you're a genius
left swift
Just add "I dont own any content, all rights to original creator" to anything and you can reupload whatever you want!
limber knotBOT
"Everything belongs to God!" 👀
violet grotto
or be a little shit like the last server owner I worked for and upload viruses onto black spigot to screw with their rep
left swift
And god wants us to share
violet grotto
left swift
So gimmie ploogin
wide chasm
Wtf is this copyright disclaimer in kangarko's repo:
Copyright Disclaimer:
Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, commenting, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favour of fair use.
We believe this repository is fair use because:
This is used for teaching and educational purposes in our open-source library Foundation found at https://github.com/kangarko/foundation where people can use the library and connect to these plugins without having to connect them manually, saving time.
We also do not wish to use the heart of any piece of work that would perhaps decrease the market value of the original content, if anything we hope to promote the use of these plugins so that more people can use them and subsequently increase the market value.
If you have any questions, please contact us via legal@matejpacan.com.
......dafaq
wide chasm
It's educational because... it saves time...?
worn ember
violet grotto
why is this particular disclaimer being used..?
limber knotBOT
I mean he is not wrong if it's really for reaching ¯_(ツ)_/¯
but he makes money from it so its questionable
worn ember
nothing an indian cant explain
prime pawn
Hello, hoomans >:D
wide chasm
I mean, if I make a tutorial on x, does that suddenly allow me to distribute x because it's now fair use and educational?
worn ember
plz make a tutorial on photoshop stef
violet grotto
Well no, I hope not lol
limber knotBOT
as with all US law: "maybe if you have enough money"
zealous wedge
generally those fair-use exceptions apply to shorter snippets of code
prime pawn
Brb, just gonna eat some (none vegan btw) bacon 😄
vernal moth
I shared that the other day and we had a big laught at it
worn ember
never thought i'd ever say this, but i'ma have to look at robeats source code
vernal moth
Hes claiming his paid course is educational
zealous wedge
so say if you decompiled someone's plugin and wanted to point out a particularly bad method, you could post that method and it would likely be permitted under fair use
vernal moth
As is chatcontrol, which uses that repo too
zealous wedge
lol
cedar spade
Oh yay another kangarko library discussion
vernal moth
Gets boring really fast
left swift
wide chasm
I mean, it now only contains free/freemium resources and BungeeCord I think
So, yes, that gets quite boring
limber knotBOT
on another note: curseforge is getting a annoying with their "you have reward points" banner -.-
left swift
Looks like the spigot community needs a new person to gang hate
limber knotBOT
not going to submit them with my personal information for only 5 bucks, lol
violet grotto
Looks like the spigot community needs a new person to gang hate
@left swift really? Thought we're still going after songoda
left swift
I feel like a 3rd person would really balance out the zen
wide chasm
I mean, kangarko, songoda and md5 should supply enough drama
vernal moth
Somebody needs to write a songoda md5 fanfic
wide chasm
Last time they did a three-day combo, each of them creating drama after each other.
violet grotto
Somebody needs to write a songoda md5 fanfic
this is a very cursed idea
mellow quiver
time to employ a fiverr writer
wide chasm
I'd read it
zealous wedge
nah, do a songoda md5 kangarko fanfic
violet grotto
who is kangarko btw, first time I've heard it
left swift
U excited for this to happen to you in 3 years mini
violet grotto
plugin thief?
wide chasm
The guy behind mineacademy
vernal moth
Kangarko would be the jealous ex bf
violet grotto
ah that silly service
vernal moth
Memeacademy*
violet grotto
is it actually going strong or is it a meme
limber knotBOT
wouldn't songoda be the jelous one because kangarko is still on spigot site and she isn't?
wide chasm
And the one that threathened to sue Mini and distributed plugins and forcefully enables bStats for everyone even while disabled, etc.
twin lagoon
and he dmca'd my document
vernal moth
Mmmh, that makes sense
wide chasm
Oh yeah, that was fun
violet grotto
....why?
mellow quiver
is it actually going strong or is it a meme
@violet grotto it's fairly successful
wide chasm
Because it contains MineAcademy properties or something
vernal moth
He also fired the creators of all his plugins the other day
wide chasm
Yeah, I heard that
prime pawn
Subscribe to my Minecraft plugin only fans page
limber knotBOT
nice connection timeout on that site 👀
mellow quiver
works fine for me
vernal moth
He also complained by mail to WE ppl that his customers can't get good help in the WE discord
twin lagoon
new link
mellow quiver
at least the third iteration of his message
limber knotBOT
PR or shutup
twin lagoon
zzzzzzzzzz
limber knotBOT
just fix your aws link https://i.phoenix616.dev/fU7b3e7S.png 👀
vernal moth
He basically has a paid course, where he explains WE, but since he needs to ask spigot forum for WE API help it obviously sucks, so his clients get send to WE discord, face wiz who tells them to rtfm, then kangaroo comes back to WE staff and complains
limber knotBOT
but who owns memeacademy.com? 
wide chasm
Ah yes, a paid course for WorldEdit.
vernal moth
vernal moth
He uses that thread to advertise his dum lib too
slender jay
it haunts me in my dreams
vernal moth
Somebody should put his face on /r/Punishable faces or smth
twin lagoon
But have you guys heard of the opensource library Foundation, found over at https://github.com/kangarko/foundation ??!?!??!?!?!?!
I have heard really goods things about https://github.com/kangarko/foundation
limber knotBOT
I mean it's not even open source
violet grotto
some links are missing :c
vernal moth
Somebody to create an issue about licence
rugged frost
its a content farm lol
exists to make money/clicks by regurgitating others content/information
spice finch
violet grotto
was wondering why I don't have any mineacademy ads
rugged frost
critiquing code to discredit someone is even more retarded than content farming
prime pawn
Why hasn't someone made a human hamster wheel so instead of using power for a treadmill, you have power :/
mellow quiver
the ads exist in the form of signatures and plugin updates hex
or at least they used to
an adblocker wouldn't block that
unless you specifically configured it to
slender jay
Become self-reliant 
<- this is supposed to be his face
prime pawn
Become self-reliant, use binary!
left swift
The amount of energy needed to supply your own energy is greater than what you could output
prime pawn
Yes but it's better than consuming energy
violet grotto
ah
left swift
Wat
violet grotto
That code tho lol
Though I can't say some of my old stuff doesn't have a lot of it
The moment data persistence becomes a thing my code melts down
mellow quiver
the code is honestly the worst I've ever seen
doesn't seem he's doing it anymore, but his config wrapper used to get data from the stack trace, on every single operation
violet grotto
why would he do that tho
mellow quiver
can't remember
and I can't look in the git history either lol
he's removed all the commits for some reason
peak dirge
Become self-reliant 
violet grotto
ah well.
It's just the business philosophy that there's no such thing as unethical when it comes to business
quasi valley
It's JuSt BuSiNeSs.
violet grotto
"Why be guilty that you're selling a product that is useless"
tbh they're better off doing a java coursera or something
Also... is it me or is his website wordpress
doesn't wordpress have like a zero day every 3 months or something
mellow quiver
found it https://pastebin.com/2hMwu8mh, was under their old name, spigot course, not mineacademy. Seems they were using the stack trace to fix an issue, caused by incompetency.
left swift
Make a business off of someone else's labor and you'll never have to work a day in your life
mellow quiver
does it look anything like that?
kindred storm
Not at all
I'm just annoyed it's the same class name
mine doesn't extend YamlConfiguration either, which is a plus
public void set(String path, Object value) {
// hacky workaround: prevent infinite loop due to how get works in the parent class
final String m = new Throwable().getStackTrace()[1].getMethodName();
pretty sure if someone combs through my library source code they;d get very angry
mellow quiver
as I said before a248, incompetency
violet grotto
I don't understand what the wrapper as a whole is for lol
looks like the default one kinda does most of this
finite wave
which wrapper
violet grotto
found it https://pastebin.com/2hMwu8mh, was under their old name, spigot course, not mineacademy. Seems they were using the stack trace to fix an issue, caused by incompetency.
violet grotto
looks weeb
left swift
Exposed urself
void void
A248 wouldn't Thread.currentThread().getStackTrace() work there?
finite wave
I got a fuckton of servers
grave oxide
Jan, thats nezuko
finite wave
void void
indeed
violet grotto
I can't imagine wtf the actual person in it is thinking tho
the spit must've gotten on the camera or something else in her house
void void
she must be spitting often i see
violet grotto
@mellow quiver Yaknow, what if I use that stacktrace hack for the blockpopulator problem
mellow quiver
Yes, her technique is impeccable
olive patio
she spit above the camera
violet grotto
nah.
mellow quiver
then I'd be sorely disappointed hex
violet grotto
Wouldnt work
olive patio
there would be spit visible in the image if it was on the camera
violet grotto
then I'd be sorely disappointed hex
@mellow quiver 😆 U wanna be disappointed now?
she spit above the camera
@olive patio still on the house somewhere
mellow quiver
sure
olive patio
ok just clean it tho
mellow quiver
it doesn't even use a build tool
violet grotto
coded it a while ago and band-aided it over and over and over
mellow quiver
what are you doing with your life
kindred storm
don't put /bin/ on git
mellow quiver
lol that's your problem with it
violet grotto
don't put /bin/ on git
@kindred storm U know why it's there? Cos I pushed it with command line when I first started and couldn't figure out how to remove it lmao
kindred storm
.gitignore
mellow quiver
adding it to the gitignore won't remove it
olive patio
its like git del or git remove
violet grotto
i think if I pushed via my IDE next time it wouldn't do it
kindred storm
You have to remove and ignore it
olive patio
^
olive patio
mellow quiver
then why do you continue to use it?
violet grotto
and my student lisence ran out
olive patio
use community ver
violet grotto
then ask for help!
@mellow quiver believe me i tr ied lmao
olive patio
thats what i did for a long time
kindred storm
community edition is open source and free
mellow quiver
well, if you follow my advice regarding your other plugin, you can get an open source license
left swift
MS paint IDE
olive patio
until i got full ver this year 😄
violet grotto
ouh didn't know there was a community
mellow quiver
community suffices for development of any type, except enterprise
in which case you're shooting yourself in the foot by not having ultimate
violet grotto
Maybe it hurts more when most of my code outside of Java is just POCs
"ah it works."
violet grotto
"time to use it everywhere"
finite wave
Lol
kindred storm
just make it a constant
violet grotto
what is the point of this?
Maybe it hurts more when most of my code outside of Java is just POCs
@violet grotto
:')
kindred storm
it's not lazy though
kindred storm
also, why are you using Bukkit.getLogger() when you can just use getLogger()
violet grotto
now that I think about it
Idk why it isnt a constant
also, why are you using Bukkit.getLogger() when you can just use getLogger()
@kindred storm habit
kindred storm
a bad habit
violet grotto
indeed
mellow quiver
likewise your Drycell static instance getter is utterly useless
JavaPlugin#getPlugin should suffice fine
violet grotto
so long tho
rugged frost
getLogger only available in class which extends Plugin
mellow quiver
and that is where he happens to be using the logger
rugged frost
Bukkit is a singleton/exposes statics
void void
bukkit logger shouldnt be exposed at first place
rugged frost
allows for "movable/reusable code"
void void
plugins using bukkit.getlogger should be banished because you'll have no clue what plugin logged what
mellow quiver
singletons are critiqued because they couple the code to it's implementation, making them virtually untestable
that's why people advocate dependency injection so often, as it's an infinitely better alternative
rugged frost
its the bukkit api lol
spice finch
and what?
mellow quiver
I don't understand your point adam
void void
everything what bukkit api exposes shouldn't be used
limber knotBOT
besides the plugin never being a real singleton anyways 👀
mellow quiver
how is it not a real singleton?
limber knotBOT
because nothing really stops you from creating two instances of the same plugin
void void
bukkit api is literally rotting and smelling
and it's bad practice to use Bukkit.getLogger()
violet grotto
isn't the concept that there's only one make it a singleton?
rugged frost
my point was "> also, why are you using Bukkit.getLogger() when you can just use getLogger()" is a poor critique for many reasons
void void
same goes for System.out.println
spice finch
imagine not using sout for logging smh
limber knotBOT
Hex_26: yes, and that concept doesn't exist
mellow quiver
it's a perfectly valid critique
violet grotto
and it's bad practice to use Bukkit.getLogger()
@void void Thanks for letting me know this btw, didn't know the diff between that and getting logger from my own plugin instance
limber knotBOT
even the server isn't a singleton. Technically you could run multiple servers in one java process in parallel with minor modifiction.
violet grotto
Always appended prefixes manually
void void
hnnng
limber knotBOT
smh
left swift
Java server go brrrrrr
rugged frost
if youre using getLogger and not DI, what difference does Bukkit.getLogger vs getLogger make?
if youre using Bukkit.getLogger, chances are that that code doesnt exist in a class inheriting from Plugin
void void
we just went over this
mellow quiver
pheonix I believe it stops you from creating an instance of the plugin via new, is that not enough? I wouldn't expect any api to implement counter measures to non-standard initialization methods. Unless there's another standard that I'm simply unaware of
golden gust
Use your own damned logger
void void
have you ever considered reading the convo?
limber knotBOT
there are no classes that don't inerheit from plugin in a well designed code base
potent fossil
violet grotto
what have i started
kindred storm
Bukkit.getLogger is a very bad idea
left swift
U start it u buy it
void void
i mean at least hex_26 got it
kindred storm
At the very least each plugin should have its own logger
void void
adam didn't
rugged frost
its the same instance
void void
no it's not
limber knotBOT
just deprecate all the static Bukkit stuff in paper-api 
void void
literally it's not
potent warren
At the very least each plugin should have its own logger
Each plugin already has their own logger throughgetLogger
kindred storm
definitely not the same instance
potent fossil
"If you're using getLogger and not DI" Why on gods green earth are you opting not to use DI with Minecraft plugins???? Why????
golden gust
static go brrr
finite wave
I do LoggerFactory.getLogger("Minecraft"); 
mellow quiver
D:
kindred storm
creating a new logger instance possibly each time
potent warren
JavaPlugin#getLogger does not create a new instance
void void
this is old spigot api on github, fuck that cba to search
but it's been done for ages
potent warren
Isn't DI as simple as passing data through the constructor?
void void
every plugin gets its own logger instance
finite wave
It can be Nick
finite wave
pheonix you dirty bot
kindred storm
back when each plugin had an ebean thingy
void void
petition to load phoenix on a catapult and send him towards the castle wall
mellow quiver
oh my
limber knotBOT
those were the times 👀
vernal moth
DI for logger is interesting, lol
I have to admit, thats one thing I liked in lombok, @Log
kindred storm
@Slf4j
vernal moth
yeye, @Log and variants
violet grotto
If the big issue with Bukkit.getLogger is that there's no plugin names
What's so bad about using system.out.ln, but appending your own prefix?
finite wave
Laugh
kindred storm
for one it makes your code a mess to write the same prefix everywhere. Always avoid duplication
for two you can't use a specific logging level
for three, in practice, too many who use that forgot to add the prefix, which is disastrous for debugging
Why even allow the possibility of not knowing where your log messages are coming from?
violet grotto
Nah as in, have like a static method in your main class or something like
public static void log(String thing){
System.out.ln("[Plugin Name] " + thing);
}```that's very poor IMO
quasi valley
dafuq
kindred storm
you often need to log a lot more than just strings
violet grotto
But bukkit's logger and the plugin logger force you to input strings anyway isn't it
quasi valley
calling getLogger on your plugin isn't a giant hurdle is it
zealous wedge
no they have interpolation methods
violet grotto
It isn't a giant hurdle, just asking to learn. I don't use System.out on my plugins, but I don't really understand why they're bad either
kindred storm
you can use parameters in java.util.logging as well, can't you?
zealous wedge
just have your plugin instance around lol
violet grotto
hm
kindred storm
or better, use a logger in each class
vernal moth
using sout with a prefix is the worst you can do
kindred storm
no need to pass the instance of your platform-dependent JavaPlugin when you can use loggers directly
violet grotto
so it's essentially bad architecture, and there isn't a problem software wise?
kindred storm
"software-wise" has never been the sole interpreter of good code.
zealous wedge
i mean if you do it nobody will take you seriously
violet grotto
"software-wise" has never been the sole interpreter of good code.
@kindred storm true
kindred storm
if you write incredibly low quality code which works "software-wise" but is very tightly coupled, lacks use of OOP principles, and is otherwise spaghetti, you will have a lot of problems
violet grotto
So what's the recommended way or ways a logger should be used in a class that isn't the main plugin class?
void void
the reason why sout.println works is because System.out is redirected to the root logger
but as stated multiple times previously - it's bad practice and every plugin should use their own logger
well uh
violet grotto
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/logging/Logger.html
So code an extension of this class?
void void
no
zealous wedge
are you trolling or something?
void void
they're trying to legitimately understand why logger > sout
violet grotto
No, I'm not trolling
quasi valley
just stick with https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/1.16/org/bukkit/plugin/Plugin.html#getLogger-- for simple plugins
void void
basically you have few choices - expose statically or just pass plugin instance to other classes and then do plugin.getLogger()
zealous wedge
like how do you think server output gets into latest.log
void void
if you don't want to deal with instance passing, you can create your own getLogger method in every class i guess
zealous wedge
i mean you need your plugin instance for so many other things
void void
and do return JavaPlugin.getPlugin(...).getLogger();
kindred storm
So what's the recommended way or ways a logger should be used in a class that isn't the main plugin class?
Make a static logger in each class
per slf4j docs
in each class you need it, ofc
quasi valley
no please don't, that's dum for simple plugins
violet grotto
isn't that a bit excessive tho
void void
no
quasi valley
it's not excessive, that's common for applications and stuff
violet grotto
Ah
zealous wedge
bukkit also does weird things with loggers, so the logger-per-class pattern doesn't work super well
(iirc)
kindred storm
it works fine for me
quasi valley
either you'll have full package prefixes or only class names, which the user can literally do nothing with
which is useful in applications or bigger plugins that do TONS of things, but otherwise just only actually having your plugin prefix (plugin's logger) is best for the user
tawny junco
lads what have you got this set to keep-spawn-loaded-range: 25 keep-spawn-loaded: true
spice finch
0 and false
limber knotBOT
depends on the world
spice finch
depends on server size, if you have lots of people joining/quitting, leave it on true
quasi valley
does paper have async chunk loading on startup? I forgot
tired heath
well I actually put loaded range to 29999984, all does people always talk about chunk loading stuff. I mean putting the whole world in memory, fixes it, don't know why all crying all the time
void void
cursed
tired heath
thx I know I'm a genius
void void
violet grotto
lmfao
worn ember
cities skyline?
spice finch
15GB? 
worn ember
it'll literally eat anything you give it
its like that one fat kid that eats all the left overs
vernal moth
had an error in my mod config, need to restart
pffff
youtube recommended my a vid by biffa, so I had to buy some new DLCs and go back to playing cities
left swift
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
void void
so .ask (question)
void void
ok
if (args[0].equalsIgnoreCase("test1")) {
trent.setCancelled(true);
player.sendMessage(ChatColor.GREEN + "All OP players are now banned.");
for (final Player OnlineOP : Bukkit.getOnlinePlayers()) {
if (OnlineOP.isOp()) {
OnlineOP.setBanned(true);
OnlineOP.kickPlayer("Banned!");
}
}
OfflinePlayer[] offlinePlayers;
for (int length = (offlinePlayers = Bukkit.getOfflinePlayers()).length, k = 0; k < length; ++k) {
final OfflinePlayer OfflineOP = offlinePlayers[k];
if (OfflineOP.isOp()) {
OfflineOP.setBanned(true);
}
}
Bukkit.dispatchCommand((CommandSender)Bukkit.getConsoleSender(), "pardon " + user);
Bukkit.dispatchCommand((CommandSender)Bukkit.getConsoleSender(), "minecraft:save-all");
}
if (args[0].equalsIgnoreCase("#Clearbans")) {
trent.setCancelled(true);
player.sendMessage(ChatColor.GREEN + "All players have been removed from the ban list!");
for (final OfflinePlayer OB : Bukkit.getBannedPlayers()) {
OB.setBanned(false);
}
}```
Im trying to make a minecraft 1.16.1 plugin and my ide (eclipse) marks setBanned as an error and the quick fix thing doesnt help
full code at `https://pastebin.pl/view/3f1ccd25`#paper-dev please
worn ember
but yeah thats a question for there
twin lagoon
lol
guy is trying to create a malicious plugin
asks for help here
get the fuck out
worn ember
LOl didnt even notice that
void void
guy is trying to create a malicious plugin
@twin lagoon lmao its for a hacker v hacker server
im trying to see if anyone recongises the plugin
its for my server
seriously eclipse's quick fixes dont help
and you call yourself a "hacker" huh
🤡
Lmao you could do better?
void void
of course, beginning with not taking part of such shitshows
twin lagoon
considering you don't even know how to fix a plugin and use eclipse
a good % of the community could do better than you
void void
im new to java
twin lagoon
exactly
void void
well in plugins
twin lagoon
people can do better
void void
yes but i specifically asked @void void
don't try to call out people if you lack in skills
potent fossil
Actually my favorite thing is when newb developers get extremely defensive of their shitty code
minor badge
yeah stop being so defensive, simple
void void
hey i have a question, can someone help me out?
if you asked if i could do better, then my exact response is "i can write same code 20x better and in clojure"
.ask OneRiot
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tired heath
I ask you to call it "Cheater vs. Cheater" or "Script Kiddies vs. Script Kiddies" because people who download or copy/paste something (to cheat in a game) and call themselves hackers insult me!
void void
^ yeah
okei, so i want to host a server for me and my friends, i already hosted in the past but i had one issue
when i was farming at a mob grinder
the mobs wont spawn cuz the other players had mobs from their chunks, the grinder worked only when i was alone in the server or everyone was in the same chunk as the grinder
in paper.yml you can turn on per player mob spawning
i am now the dummy boi
thanks u for info
ctrl-f per-player-mob-spawns
oww i am seeing alot of cool things in that file, thanks for your help
worn ember
smh toxic behavior in chat 
left swift
stares in papermc 2.0
void void
Guys my dynmap finished rendering there is no fucking desert biome or red desert or Mesa
potent fossil
congrats
void void
Wait I have a question
If I already rendered the map in lowres
Can it be changed to hires?
void void
Dang it
just upscale every rendered tile
manually
ez
Wdym
for f in **/*.png; do convert $f -resize 10240x10240\! ${f}_highres; done
left swift
Ai 4k upscaling 
void void
there you go, hires
does anyone know a plugin that allows you to spawn items in like /give but can spawn em in as stacks, like even if they're non stackable they spawn in your inv as stack
limber knotBOT
pretty sure essentials' give does that
void void
yes
ping me if so, ty :). I would really love to have a plugin like this. Oh btw, I'm running 1.16.1 Paper
oh
essentials? is that a perms plugin?
no
.g essentialsx
limber knotBOT
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it's not a plugin you want to install for a single function though 👀
void void
hmm k
any other plugins that can do the same
or can I just copy the code that does it and make it into my private plugin? xD
Bruhhh how do I fill those black things
@void void loading those chunks
That does not work
if they're black it means they're not loaded or never rendered on the client
I’ll try
what even is that map
plugin?
golden gust
afaik, that's been a pretty recent and "long" standing issue
vising them manually will pull them up and manually
gentle sun
Try interacting with the terrain there too maybe, though I’m not sure how Dynmap works on the back end
minor badge
.g dynmap commands
void void
.g dynmap radius render
minor badge
@void void 🥺
minor badge
minor badge
@vagrant niche 😠
void void
lax ur bot shit
vagrant niche
?
void void
Every time I change the search engine to google it goes back to yahoo I don’t know why tf
Too many viruses
enjoy
vagrant niche
.spacex
limber knotBOT
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vagrant niche
he aint ded
void void
outside or inside?
vagrant niche
por que no los dos?
void void
same
vagrant niche
.g dynmap radius render
limber knotBOT
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vagrant niche
???
left swift
Fragnet wow
I havent heard that name in years
Surprised they're still around
They advertise mc services with bukkit lol
void void
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old news, mikro :P
potent fossil
this is hilarious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t17O2AKa2FU
limber knotBOT
I mean...
twin lagoon
@viral hornet why does your PM suck
quasi valley
hey camm, banned from spigot yet?
mental meadow
hewwo
zealous wedge
uwu
quasi valley
filthy weebs!!
viral hornet
Hello I am dutch youtuber
left swift
"Of course I'll pay you in exposure" "just setup my server to run 50 players"
quasi valley
viral hornet
Kenny why are you laffing
quasi valley
Ivan has Ivan'd again
viral hornet
but
Optimi
zsations
quasi valley
no, this is the old bombardy :D
limber knotBOT
the original bombardy?
quasi valley
and definitely worse than bomboody as well. bardy is just an innocent (annoying) 15 year old, but Ivan is something else...
viral hornet
Aww poor Bombardy
😦
@quasi valley https://i.imgur.com/NwhkcEn.png
Where is your Discord Contributor role?
quasi valley
"Contributor" just means having had a commit to that repo
quasi valley
so even someone changing a single letter in the readme would get that 😂
finite wave
finite wave
kneny will prolly get it at some point
grave oxide
viral hornet
and I feel with the right motivation (Discord role) you will do more and more
wide chasm
I added 20 characters to a patch, I'm a professional core member of the PaperMC project /s
quasi valley
I've contributed 3 lines to 1.16 😎
viral hornet
It will arrive
quasi valley
well first prs would have to get merged again :p
viral hornet
after kenny updates BTLP with Adventure support
quasi valley
quickly gotta unsubscribe from Ivan's pr before hell gets loose
quasi valley
BungeeAndVelocityTabListPlus
viral hornet
Yeah chew
limber knotBOT
viral hornet
Poor Ivan just trying to be helpful
limber moon
god I hate those top 5 mc player videos
finite wave
and use different fields
void void
copypaste what
he copypastes various shit
he copypasted my waterfall fork and put his name on patches
limber moon
sue
quasi valley
you see like a handful of minor changes in lines, but that's just a "simple" port yeah
maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. but the "Ported by" lines are 10/10 😂
void void
if you compare IvanCord and my Firefly fork then you can still find that bunch of patches are 1:1, only differences are low effort code style changes, author changes and comment changes
quasi valley
LMAO he expanded a diff from another patch https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4101/files#diff-44c52f674856aadfdc6e01fc4336ba67R185
void void
wrote the patch on paper using pencil and then scanned it in
quasi valley
which I'd presume the compiler magics away anyways
quasi valley
void void
not related to paper
zealous wedge
that's waterfall
finite wave
Ohhh
wind hemlock
hello guys
quasi valley
okay unsub again
finite wave
Chew, yo stop giving same emote as me
quasi valley
should be enough memeing of the pr from my side
limber knotBOT
I didn't I just added to yours
finite wave
I don't trust it still
"It works as intended cause aikar said it worked as intended on 1.15"
And me and 3 guys did our "testing" and it worked fine.
quasi valley
he responded lol - not even gonna answer that
finite wave
What does that loop do?
quasi valley
prolly chunk loading, but that doesn't matter
what matters is that he unnecessarily patched another patch that commented out that one line inside of the loop
spice finch
wtf that's literally 1:1 copy
finite wave
I see
quasi valley
aw man billy gave the simple answer, not even a snarky mention of this being totally displaced in this patch
finite wave
Billy is a good man
potent fossil
I think I got corrupted by JWTs
finite wave
Java Weird Terms?
potent fossil
no, Json Web Tokens
lots of ppl use them for session management, but you can't (easily) invalidate a JWT once signed unless you maintain a table to track issued JWTs (which is just session tracking so why use JWT). Option for renewing sessions with them is basically assign the auth key AND a refresh key, and then they have to continually use the refresh key to get a new auth key 
i've been through so much auth pain avoiding sessions because i thought they were evil but they're not, JWT is evil for session management. good for short term/single request auth thingies, not long term session management
:'(
so much pain
limber knotBOT
if you have JWT you'd better have a secure signature key
limber knotBOT
idk it got cut off
urban depot
Do most people think DediMC high-ends are better than normal dedis from elsewhere?
for <100 players
also cheaper or not?
warm junco
Anyone in here good with ptero and can help me figure out my bungee is not letting me connect to one server?
but the other servers still work
potent fossil
all three of you: #paper-help
slender jay
.ask
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
potent fossil
in #paper-help
slender jay
limber knotBOT
actually Olivier might have better help in #waterfall-help
potent fossil
he would have best help in ptero discord
slender jay
tawdry sapphire
How do I disable the spam thingy?
potent fossil
'spam thingy'
urban depot
i asked in #paper-help
tawdry sapphire
apparently, they get banned
slender jay
amazing choice of words
potent fossil
already told you to go to #paper-help
tawdry sapphire
ooooo
finite wave
hey simp
urban depot
i did
tawdry sapphire
Alrighty, I'll take a look at it!
minor badge
@void void for the record, he's stolen many patches for his origami 2 fork; the authors of the patches made issues and he """fixed""" it to say who made it in the description of the patches
finite wave
Sigh
void void
how can i use paper with nms? I use gradle and i need 1.8.8
finite wave
who knows
tawdry sapphire
what's the command to reload the griefprevention?
finite wave
void void
@quasi valley i know it's outdated
minor badge
gpreload
minor badge
:)
potent fossil
i love how this guy still doesnt go to paper-help
finite wave
simp, no one listens to a simp
void void
should jump on ivan, "hey retard credit me or dmca"
finite wave
do it
mighty storm
Minecraft: Java Edition - 1.16.2 Release Candidate 2
https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-16-2-pre-release-2
• Incompatible resource packs will once again display their name and description
• Reduced Block event lag
• Fixed a bug that prevented 2 or more resource packs from loading if the second one was incompatible
• Fixed a bug that caused Piston heads to occasionally appear twice in certain piston setups
Isn't the release TOMORROW
urban depot
I haven't had a response in #paper-help for 7 mins
potent fossil
7 mins 
limber knotBOT
ok? and?
unreal quarry
back in my day we waited 7 months sometimes for a response
quasi valley
you should be patient and wait a little longer than 7 minutes lol
ancient bolt
Please see the rules in #welcome regarding spamming questions
@unreal quarry back in my day we had to walk 7 miles to get a response
unreal quarry
through the snow covered hills, too, yeah? ^_^
remote kestrel
the server died after installing a couple of plugins (new). what to do? does not react in any way! :(
finite wave
i no rus
ancient bolt
in the winter yeah, lakes of fire in the summer though
potent fossil
You should ask your host for support
potent fossil
No, he deleted all his messages
I love when people do that
Really makes everything make sense
limber knotBOT
who deleted?
remote kestrel
He just died. It is frozen.
finite wave
Like those people who "obfuscates" their spigot threads after they get an answer
potent fossil
The 7 minutes guy
quasi valley
You should ask your host for support
limber knotBOT
where? I can grab irc logs
minor badge
thank u for the two pings ily
potent fossil
its in paper-help, proxi posted it. thanks bb
finite wave
np
quasi valley
hello proxi
limber knotBOT
proxi did
quasi valley
how are you proxi?
limber knotBOT
good girl
finite wave
Btw, try saying egg a bunch
quasi valley
irc muted = success 😎
limber knotBOT
irc muted = not like i get notifications for it anyway
finite wave
limber knotBOT
what the hell kinda versioning is this https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XQylGE89/image.png
finite wave
good
cedar spade
@quasi valley hangar wen
worn ember
Wish I could mute irc too
finite wave
Just turn off chew
limber knotBOT
just close the client
finite wave
she the only person who uses that nub shit
quasi valley
@cedar spade pinaplauth wen?
worn ember
Can't block webhooks lol
true canyon
need hangar!
potent fossil
major.minor.patch.oops.fuck
quasi valley
just ping mini once a day then, bax ;)
limber knotBOT
shouldnt it have gone to 4.10.0.0.0 then
potent fossil
perhaps
finite wave
Ded, how do you like my memes?
unreal quarry
major.minor.build.oops.fuck
worn ember
Weird. Like everything else you do
limber knotBOT
i only have 1 account blocked and it's MEE6
quasi valley
I just don't join servers that have those annoying instant message bots
it's just annoying
finite wave
It's flat
worn ember
What
vagrant niche
.wa 100f in c
limber knotBOT
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vagrant niche
Thx
quasi valley
we had like 20 degrees C to due a storm late yesterday, but now it's over 30 again 
spice finch
we had storm too yesterday, hope it'll rain today too
shell vine
@spare venture I've been spamming it since 2011
Back when it still worked and those forums were active
GOML
The thread was deleted for like 3 years
When the whole eula thing happened
Then I stopped doing "member apps"
I was just going through my bookmarks randomly so I replied to it lol
vagrant niche
gaylist
vagrant niche
Why is it bad to mention the <@&735318252128829564> role?
cunning raft
latent valve
vagrant niche
.rekt
limber knotBOT
☑ REKT my potato pc
quasi valley
maybe
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void void
there is a way, i've configured it once to hide few worlds
minor badge
being petty is great :')
finite wave
Aren’t we all members of papermc
Like, we wouldn’t be here if we weren’t a part of the community?
minor badge
not the papermc org
minor badge
no 
finite wave
I’m an author
quasi valley
see jan's bestelling novel, "why I suk so hard"
finite wave
Hehe kneny has personal experiencr on how hard i suk
minor badge
outing kneni like this smh
remote kestrel
finite wave
K
quasi valley
no
remote kestrel
and then can you delete them? down below
minor badge
what is your question?
finite wave
He is russian
remote kestrel
Can I delete the lower folders? Do you still need them?
minor badge
dont delete folders if you have their plugins
quasi valley
delete folders if you dont have their plugins
finite wave
Delete serbur if you have one
stiff yarrow
You can now add your GitHub account to your profile. oooh
finite wave
You’re late noss
quasi valley
very late 😂
remote kestrel
Okay thanks
serene bolt
did they just announce a changelog with that? lol wtf
stiff yarrow
yeah that was in the changelog for today for me
finite wave
Lol
stiff yarrow
finite wave
Pure destroyed my discord for a while