#general

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urban depot
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per month

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bruh

urban depot
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no per 3 months

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sorry

olive marlin
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Oh.

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now thats different

urban depot
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4gb apex

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but I know how to setup a hetzner

olive marlin
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Yeah, I think decent dedis are around ~40 USD or so.

finite wave
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songoda just tagged me cause they released ap lugin

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iirc dedicatedmc sells dedicated cores (no clue how many) + 8gb memory for same price

urban depot
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per 3 months or month?

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I like hetzner rn

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per month

urban depot
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hm

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I'm extremely low on donations so that's not really possible for me

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youre asking for our advice, so we're giving it; we dont want to recommend you hetzner if youre looking at those player counts

urban depot
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Ok

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dedicatedmc would probably be an upgrade for no price increase as it stands now

limber knotBOT
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woahh jan tuck mega simp :)

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jan succ

finite wave
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ikr

urban depot
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Would this generally do? AMD Ryzen 5 3600 @ 4.2 GHz
6 GB DDR4 Memory
Dedicated CPU Core
50 GB NVMe SSD Storage
1 GBit/s Connection

finite wave
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seems fine for a smaller server.

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very fine for a smaller server yes

urban depot
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As in 20/30?

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players

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don't like how they don't say "cores" though

urban depot
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yeah

finite wave
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I mean if they dedicate a whole cpu to your lol

twin lagoon
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is that dedicatedmc

urban depot
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ye

twin lagoon
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yeah they're fine

urban depot
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do you know the number of cores or no?

twin lagoon
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1

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you can get an extra one for $5/mo extra iirc

urban depot
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erm i don't see that but i see ram upgrades $5/mo

twin lagoon
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might be their premium plan only

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what about extravm, dedicated cores at all?

urban depot
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super expensive dedi servers

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they sure dont advertise it lol

urban depot
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at least $147/mo

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149*

finite wave
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Just purchase the OVH and become a director

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free servers for days

urban depot
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wish

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What's wrong with hetzner cx31? I don't think I know

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oh yeah

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dedi cores

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2 shared cores lol

urban depot
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erm

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cx41?

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I'm guessing cx41's best option rn

golden gust
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at the end of the day, you're renting a from a server catered towards web servers

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it'll hand a few players, but, I doubt you'd get astonishing numbers on their offerings

urban depot
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I'm only looking at 20-30 players rn

unreal quarry
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only 20-30 players
thats above Mojang's recommended size :3

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theres a reason realms only works with 10-11 players max

urban depot
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I want a larger community eventually.

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larger community means larger needs

urban depot
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Yeah,

serene bolt
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15-30 players is my sweetspot for "fun to work" balance, I prefer smaller communities personally

urban depot
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that's kind of what i'm aiming at rn

olive marlin
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Tbh, I'd grab a DedicatedMC or ExtraVM nebula.

unreal quarry
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same, pure ^_^

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go for dedicatedmc's budget or premium plans to start off

unreal quarry
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i hit 38 max once, hated it

olive marlin
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And if you need to - you can expand later.

unreal quarry
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could of just been cat's fault tho.. he was one of the 38 iirc

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runs away

urban depot
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1 core tho

unreal quarry
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i have a 7700k overclocked to 4.7ghz with 5.0ghz bursts

limber knotBOT
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bad news, mixer is officially dead

unreal quarry
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mixer has been dead

limber knotBOT
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well, no, the site still worked

unreal quarry
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barely

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lmao

finite wave
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Did something happen with the chat thread? Cause when it lags on 1.12+ it halts chat stuff but on 1.7 it just completely ignores lag.

slim nymph
unreal quarry
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errored everywhere for me as far back as april

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at least it's 1 dedicated core + some shared ones instead of only shared ones, no?

limber knotBOT
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it's just now officially died, all pages are now just static as of 2 mins ago

serene bolt
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the front page of mixer has been just people advertising their twitch channels haha

twin lagoon
urban depot
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wait so

twin lagoon
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natural

urban depot
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It has more than 1 core

twin lagoon
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pubg mobile in arabic

urban depot
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?

twin lagoon
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streamers that aren't english

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yes

twin lagoon
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all mobile games / fortnite

urban depot
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That's good

twin lagoon
unreal quarry
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i also dont use an mc panel, @urban depot

gleaming rivet
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i have a 7700k overclocked to 4.7ghz with 5.0ghz bursts
@unreal quarry how hot is it running?

unreal quarry
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those things make the experience even worse'

hollow plaza
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While you're here Billy, the bug still didn't work

urban depot
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I hate those

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Is there a way to buy a server i can ssh into

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on dedicatedmc

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youre gonna have to decide whether you want to meet your wants or your needs if you're gonna be on that tight of a budget

unreal quarry
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wrong img

urban depot
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so standard premium has a panel only?

unreal quarry
olive marlin
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  1. Go with DedicatedMC / ExtraVM (for now)
  2. Make your server earn for itself
  3. Switch to a dedicated server
    ...
    Profit!
urban depot
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Ok

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I hopee

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i thought your cpu could go 200C till i saw youre using a dumb unit, billy

slim nymph
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isnt 100F still really high lol

urban depot
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anyone by any chance right off the bat know any promo codes for dedicatedmc

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100F is 40C or so

urban depot
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doesnt matter much if not

unreal quarry
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100F is cool

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intel cpus are fine up to abt 90C iirc?

slim nymph
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oh wait yeah im use to gpu temps being in C and so 70C~ is a running warm range right?

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(note is aid warm not hot :P)

urban depot
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oh gosh i literally just typed NETHER and got a 20% discount

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epic

olive marlin
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Nice

slim nymph
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well, i have a cat, take that!

olive marlin
worn ember
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70°C is pretty hot but cpu temps can go between 50-100 safely

urban depot
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ohhhhh

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cool

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didnt see that

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well 20% is more

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actually i can use that 20% later bc 15% is only for first month

olive marlin
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Not sure if you'll be able to.

urban depot
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Nether it is then

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most hosts only allow that for first time customers

urban depot
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probably only applies to monthly

urban depot
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:l

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yes it does

true canyon
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@umbral tiger you monster.

twin lagoon
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use code Michael for 15% off one-time

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72/3 = 24; youre not gaining from paying for longer amounts of time anyways

urban depot
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Nether's one-time 20% 💥

twin lagoon
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@minor badge uwu

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@twin lagoon uwu

limber knotBOT
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uwu

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youre not part of the M gang sorry

twin lagoon
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ya fuk u ch3w

limber knotBOT
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i know :(

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i just realized there's not any m's in any of my names lol

jolly crown
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I’ve got 2 thinksmart

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my name starts and ends with M

worn ember
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sounds like a you problem

limber knotBOT
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darn

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😢

worn ember
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i dont have an m either

olive marlin
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Just change your name thinksmart

worn ember
jolly crown
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to “chewm”

worn ember
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chem

finite wave
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Ⓜ️

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what

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dafuq

urban depot
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er

limber knotBOT
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i already changed mine once and i don't feel like going through that process again lol

urban depot
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64 gb ram and says it's 8gb.

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yeah thats the host machines

worn ember
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@finite wave i would like to declare my love for you

finite wave
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what

void void
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wat

finite wave
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I'm not gay, nty.

void void
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have fun you two

worn ember
mental meadow
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I would like to declare my love for you as well

finite wave
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We will thank your very much nirvana.

mental meadow
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I feel like every time I open this channel someone is writing something weird

worn ember
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its not gay if the tips dont touch

finite wave
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thx

void void
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it wasn't like this when wiz was here

mental meadow
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And most of the times it's from the same people..

worn ember
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idk what ur talking about

finite wave
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Wiz would probably tell us to stfu

worn ember
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nah i wouldve been kicked by now KEKW

finite wave
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❤️

mental meadow
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I mean if that's what you desire

worn ember
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nono

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no harrasment

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i'll report you

finite wave
mental meadow
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o:

finite wave
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play nice aurora

mental meadow
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oki

finite wave
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👍

worn ember
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i'll report you to yourself then you'll have to demote yourself

finite wave
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You can only kick ded a few times a day.

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How many times did you kick him today?

worn ember
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oy

mental meadow
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0

worn ember
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i see where this is going

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i dont like it

finite wave
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Ah, then you can do it atleast once.

worn ember
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smh cant even declare my love in this server

mental meadow
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but when should I do it? 😮

finite wave
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Should do it over our naughty snapchat ded E_FeelsCreepyMan

green turret
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I have an M

finite wave
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LuckEcon when.

worn ember
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uwu i gotchu

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i'll send you lewd code pics

finite wave
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I mean, you already do that.

worn ember
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true

void void
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get a room

worn ember
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this is a room

finite wave
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nty

void void
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get your own one then

worn ember
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no u

finite wave
urban depot
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To the people i was speaking to, would you recommend that I prepare to unwhitelist and make my server public as soon as possible? My playerbase hasn't grown at all for a few weeks.

finite wave
worn ember
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i just got told i have cute crocs lmfao

finite wave
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what

worn ember
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why are you whitelisted to begin with

void void
finite wave
worn ember
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🖕

urban depot
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Been whitelisted since the beginning because we started off as mainly vanilla

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also to keep troublemakers out

worn ember
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well its up to you what you want to do really

limber knotBOT
finite wave
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Probably need to contatct them

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👍

void void
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i mean the platforms dead anyway

limber knotBOT
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(I know, it does an hour ago)

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died*

sleek tree
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haha it's been sold.

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Facebook gaming si what it is now.

uncut moss
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meh who cares wasn't mixer just twitch with a different name anyway

limber knotBOT
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woooow

finite wave
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Not for chew it seems

limber knotBOT
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Mixer's chat was my fav bit

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the whole system is miles better than twitch's

merry talon
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too bad facebook gaming is a blazing dumpster fire

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anything they do really

uncut moss
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boomer gaming

urban depot
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with spark, is 97% cpu usage bad?

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with 20tps

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compared to 50%?

left swift
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No it just means the server was using 97% of the cpu when u looked at it

urban depot
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Is more cpu usage good then?

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on average

finite wave
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ffs that name, very annoying.

golden gust
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spark isn't measuring CPU usage

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it's measuring CPU time

left swift
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Jan trump

urban depot
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so morecpu time is good then?

finite wave
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More cpu != good

limber knotBOT
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Geez adding an identity on cloudflare access takes forever

golden gust
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I mean, what you care is that your ticks stay as under 50 mspt as possible

finite wave
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amount of cpu usages has literally no need to be looked at for that^

urban depot
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Ok, so on my apex server which is used, I'm getting ~29% cpu time. On my (test server) Hetzner it stays near 50% but goes up to 98%~ with 0/1 players

golden gust
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CPU time is a bleh measurement anyways

finite wave
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Shouldn't mind cpu usage as long as the tps is within limits.

urban depot
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4gb ram on apex 8gb hertzner

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hetzner* whatever

golden gust
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Mid tick, the server sleeps a lot, which will still show up on the CPU as it wakes up to see if it needs to do anything

finite wave
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I wish monty python was available in hd

limber knotBOT
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what about monty javascript

void void
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ah monty python, those were the days

finite wave
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I want to watch it, but that quality kills me

void void
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it's still great

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hell my dad named me after one of the characters in it

finite wave
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lol

left swift
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Nirvana is a character in it?

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Ur so old wow

true canyon
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their full legal name is Raymond Luxury-Yacht

void void
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ahah

unborn jay
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Hey people! what host do you recommend? I got made fun-of after showing the host I was using in paper-help ;-;

left swift
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A good one

finite wave
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ovh

unborn jay
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A good one
@left swift For example?

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My server recieves 20 USD in donations each month

true canyon
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What are your needs in terms of specs?

unborn jay
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There are roughly 20 players at once. Current one has a shared I9 9900k, NVme SSD and 5 Gb of ram

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But shared, means that other servers use the same system ,and even the same cores

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Also the my current host adjusts the given ram according to how much ram the server is currently using

left swift
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Try slothhost

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Also the my current host adjusts the given ram according to how much ram the server is currently using
Wow that is dogshit

hollow plaza
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Did I mess something up or is the jar command really not part of the non-headless jdk

unborn jay
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Sloth host looks pretty decent. But i doubt it's dedicated, but at least it doesn't lower the ram, right?

true canyon
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But i doubt it's dedicated

Clarify on what you mean here?

unborn jay
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I remember looking it up but it offered more than I needed, but now I need more, the server has grown

true canyon
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If you're looking for an entire box to yourself, increase your monthly expectations closer to the three digit range if you want a 9900k

unborn jay
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Clarify on what you mean here?
@true canyon That one core/thread is not shared by multiple servers

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okok, i was expecting that, actually.

left swift
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Try to get atleast 2 cores

kindred storm
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@hollow plaza ensure your shell is actually using the jdk, maybe you also have a jre installed

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It wouldn't make sense for the jdk headless to not have all the jdk commands. If it did, it wouldn't be the JDK. headless usually means no gui

hollow plaza
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I have like 6 java versions installed for some reason

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8, 11, 13, 14

kindred storm
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I have a lot of java versions too, so I use jenv

hollow plaza
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That's not 6

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lol

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I only need 11 so should I remove the others

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Java takes up quite a lot of space

unreal quarry
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pssh, keep 14

hollow plaza
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Also, does jdk depend on jdk headless?

kindred storm
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yeah don't remove java 14

vestal jasper
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Use 14 with the better exceptions flag

hollow plaza
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Okay but what about the headless versions

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I have 2 java 11s

kindred storm
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headless should not mean it's missing something

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except the gui of course

hollow plaza
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I have a headless and non headless of each version, is that needed?

kindred storm
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that's what headless usually refers to

hollow plaza
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It says 11 isn't even installed...?

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It clearly is

unreal quarry
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os?

hollow plaza
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Java

serene bolt
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lol

unreal quarry
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(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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goes to do something else

serene bolt
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JavaOS Pog

hollow plaza
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Definitely not

kindred storm
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Java

quasi valley
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Java

serene bolt
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Solaris

left swift
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Java

quasi valley
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man barty just doesn't accept the totally valid answer smh

hollow plaza
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Linux

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Java broke apt

finite wave
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JavaOS is predominantly a U/SIM-Card operating system based on a Java virtual machine and running applications on behalf of Operators and Security-Services. It was originally developed by Sun Microsystems. Unlike Windows, Mac OS, Unix, or Unix-like systems which are primarily ...

limber knotBOT
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JavaO's the new breakfast cereal

hollow plaza
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It really doesn't want me to remake my pull requests does it

finite wave
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Close it

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make new one

limber knotBOT
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Oh don't pull a bardy

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4 PRs for a readme

hollow plaza
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I closed them yesterday

limber knotBOT
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Bardy not barty

hollow plaza
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I'm trying to even just ./paper patch but problems already

finite wave
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bardy not ^^

quasi valley
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bomboody

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a nice fella

limber knotBOT
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Bombardygamer

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The iconic

twin lagoon
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bombartygamer

limber knotBOT
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Advertised his totally working and useful pastebin service

quasi valley
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barty=bardy confirmed :kapp

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ah dang nitro is gone

finite wave
twin lagoon
quasi valley
limber knotBOT
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nitro perks have no power here

quasi valley
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at least I still have twitch sub emotes

finite wave
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shutupucute i only have this omit "cute" chew.

vestal jasper
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Kapp

limber knotBOT
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That one is ok

quasi valley
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using free amazon prime to get free twitch subs to get free emotes on discord

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that's smolBrain

limber knotBOT
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Galaxy

hollow plaza
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I didn't know what to do so I just removed all java

limber knotBOT
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Oh

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What are you trying to do?

hollow plaza
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sudo apt-get remove *jdk*

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lol

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Trying to get the jar command to work

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It used to before

limber knotBOT
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Ah

hollow plaza
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I could've use apt reinstall before I installed the second jdk 11 probably

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oh gosh

cedar spade
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KnenyOS

limber knotBOT
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I use sdkman for managing that lol

quasi valley
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@cedar spade hangar os wen

hollow plaza
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Ubuntu came preinstalled with 4 javas, then after the jar command broke I tried installing java 11 again but it turned out to be a different package than the one already installed

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Which apparently messed apt up because it said that openjdk-11-jdk wasn't installed

limber knotBOT
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Thank god getting a call doesn't take up the entire screen anymore

quasi valley
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.g adoptopenjdk linux

limber knotBOT
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unreal quarry
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dont trust apt to handle java installations for you. it does a shit job at it. doing it that way requires you to clean up using update-alternatives which isn't ideal, imho. Instead, just download the JDK yourself and extract it somewhere and make your own symlinks to the binaries you use

limber knotBOT
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Wish there was something like rvm for java

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rvm install version, rvm use version, easy

hollow plaza
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Welp

twin lagoon
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there is @mighty storm

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.g sdkman

limber knotBOT
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I literally just referenced that

hollow plaza
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I'll try adopt if this doesn't work

limber knotBOT
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I use ajdk for 14 I believe

twin lagoon
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adoptopenjdk is my go to java

limber knotBOT
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Honestly I still use 14 for my servers and bots just fine

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Switch expressions are hotttt

unreal quarry
hollow plaza
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Wait a second

unreal quarry
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java is handled by apt, which i dont use. i use java14

hollow plaza
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I removed all jdk and installed jdk 11 but all my previous javas are still here

serene bolt
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yup I symlink all my java versions too

unreal quarry
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no idea what java version even is on my system lol

twin lagoon
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probably 11

limber knotBOT
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java -version

serene bolt
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I've got java8, java11 and graal11 as my symlinks

unreal quarry
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11, yeah

golden gust
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afaik, "java" itself is actually just a lil bootstrap or something

hollow plaza
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My jar command is back but I still have duplicate jdk 11 for some reason

golden gust
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it's where the actual java_home points to is what matters, wonder how they default that

finite wave
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I only ever install graal11 as "java"

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Sometimes J8 for the idiot apps that cap versions

unreal quarry
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update-alternatives handles it using /etc/alternatives/java etc

serene bolt
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graal breaks paperclip so I don't use it as my default java on my personal PC

finite wave
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It does?

serene bolt
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it breaks the patching, once you're patched it works fine

finite wave
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I never had that issue, might just not have run paperclip and actually compiled off source tho

serene bolt
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``-XX:-UseJVMCICompiler` fixes it, but that defeats the purpose of using graal so shrug_animated

hollow plaza
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Ok everything's fine I think, apt list just doesn't work

finite wave
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This is just in bash lel

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too lazy open other stuff

serene bolt
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weird, no idea why it doesn't work for me on linux or windows, I've got the same version as you

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oh well, I don't use *clip anyways

finite wave
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I can try on linux se

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c

serene bolt
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oooo... that may be why, I have enterprise graal.... I'm guessing you have open/free, and enteprise has a few more optimizations

finite wave
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Oh probably

serene bolt
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I have no idea how I have enterprise graal. that was not intended. oops.

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pls don't kill me oracle

finite wave
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Did you click the "try from otn" ?

serene bolt
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I may have yeah, it was ages ago

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I installed graal to actually use graals features though, not as like a MC optimization tactic or something

hollow plaza
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I found the real issue

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It's that I don't know how to use apt

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Now I do

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I thought apt list shows only installed packages but no

limber knotBOT
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the first two asked for planes ut there were none

serene bolt
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hCaptcha is just absolute trash

golden gust
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nou

serene bolt
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:(

finite wave
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I like google captcha better

void void
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i like hcaptcha because it thinks i'm a human

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unlike google 👀

limber knotBOT
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See my choices are, FunCaptcha which is ezpz hackable, reCaptcha which is great but it's Google so ew, and hCaptcha, which pays me less than 1 cent per 1 million solves

serene bolt
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hCaptcha is probably the best non google solution, but i just find it annoying and their solving patterns can be really difficult sometimes

limber knotBOT
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I mean I cant fault google completely, their cloud vision OCR is top tier

left swift
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MCR is pretty good too

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Love that band

limber knotBOT
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does anyone have 3000 LKR

hollow plaza
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what's that

limber knotBOT
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Sri Lakan Rupees

unkempt drift
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I mean... is that worth like 2 USD or something?

limber knotBOT
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about $16

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USD

urban depot
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i might still have some rand

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s.a.

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lol

limber knotBOT
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oh yay, for whatever reason it wont let me identify

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with dis4irc

uncut moss
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github packages maven sucks

cedar spade
#

you know what doesn't suck

limber knotBOT
#

catsa

uncut moss
#

you have to auth to download artifacts from it 😒

limber knotBOT
#

yeah

uncut moss
#

why

cedar spade
#

mvn installing with a custom local maven repo then pushing that to gh pages

limber knotBOT
#

Microsoft likes its walled gardens

uncut moss
#

should only be like that for private repos

#

it was nice then that ruined it

limber knotBOT
#

technically you shouldn't even use any repo but central (according to the maven devs) ;)

cedar spade
#

tbh I think at the time they didn't even consider "hey public projects might want to use it"

uncut moss
#

honestly the requirements for uploading to central aren't really strict

#

only annoying thing is signing lol

limber knotBOT
#

broken bot

bleak ridge
#

I am really having a problem related to bungeecord. Whenever a player join a server paper 1.16 in the bungeecord it says proxy connection lost. Even tho i am using waterfall and latest bungeecord jar

#

if can anyone help me out with the issue plz dm me

limber knotBOT
#

for whatever reason it's only sending "identify"

cedar spade
#

i am using waterfall and latest bungeecord jar
...what

prime pawn
#

Hello, hoomans!

bleak ridge
#

...what
@cedar spade some issues

#

if u could help me in the private chat that will be helpful

limber knotBOT
#

how are you running waterfall with a bungee jar

#

thats not how it works

#

either way sounds like. a #waterfall-help question

cedar spade
#

No, I don't do Waterfall support, let alone in PMs

#

but what chew said, you don't use Waterfall and Bungee together, so I have no idea what you were trying to achieve

limber knotBOT
#

so like, i have init-commands-list=[ then "PRIVMSG NickServ IDENTIFY name pass" but it's only sending identify

#

like arent ya missin something there pal

#

the NAME and PASS

#

there's no reason it shouldnt

mighty storm
#

it's legit just sending the first 3 args

#

wrong platform sorry

cedar spade
#

nah you gotta ree about discord on irc and ree about irc on discord

#

hi knenwald

quasi valley
#

Why do you even use irc if you have discord open anyways, ready to tab in kazheek

cedar spade
#

@quasi valley hangar wen

quasi valley
#

Hello em dee

limber knotBOT
#

it's neither it's legit just the lib

quasi valley
#

Uhm I forgot something in the oven, gotta go 👀

cedar spade
#

cooking at 11:26pm

#

seems suspicious

#

lies

#

knenwald is actually using the microwave gasp

uncut moss
#

ok but why that icon

cedar spade
#

why not

limber knotBOT
#

its cute

uncut moss
#

no

#

scary

serene bolt
#

pop is cute >:(

#

and a weeb but we love him anyways

waxen panther
#

hate webs !

limber knotBOT
#

hmm, the only reason my credit card application got denied was "Your monthly debt obligations are too high given your income" and not "insufficient credit history"

#

even though my debt is $50

#

oh nvm thats happened before

#

maybe my credit history would be longer if i actually bought stuff

ashen cliff
#

MFW our banks forces a minimum 400€ loan for all users if you go into overdraft. Can't even disable is, super fun when doing online stuff.

limber knotBOT
#

i have not and probably will not ever enter my card details in online

uncut moss
#

lol why

unreal quarry
#

never give anyone your real card number

#

😉

limber knotBOT
#

ye

ashen cliff
#

I have a separate card for online stuff, but since it has forced enabled overdraft...

limber knotBOT
#

great site

ashen cliff
#

I am a US resident

#

Yeah, no.

uncut moss
#

yeah

ashen cliff
#

You could always just buy VISA gift cards if you cared that much.

unreal quarry
#

theres probably competitors in your country

limber knotBOT
#

ah darn

cunning raft
#

but for US people only because terrorism laws!

uncut moss
#

there probably is no competitors in my country

#

or wait yeah that thing idk the name

#

nvm that's another thing

olive marlin
#

I'm stuck with using Revolut.

#

Though, recently they added self-deleting cards to the free tier, which isn't that bad.

uncut moss
#

i probably wouldn't be able to use anything like that anyway

void void
#

damn

#

hnnnng

olive marlin
#

Yeah.

serene bolt
limber knotBOT
#

so what's the catch? do they sell purchase data or something?

cunning raft
#

no

void void
#

you have to be an US resident

zealous wedge
#

americans :.:

cunning raft
#

they get a fee from transactions

void void
#

that's the catch

limber knotBOT
#

(or re-use I guess)

#

a, I see

cunning raft
#

all credit card companies can charge fees to merchants

limber knotBOT
#

so it's not actually $0 lol

zealous wedge
#

like not even us citizen, only us residents allowed

cunning raft
#

to the user yes

twin lagoon
#

i mean

#

it's pretty fucking useless in EU

cunning raft
twin lagoon
#

considering bank payments are everywhere

limber knotBOT
#

I mean merchants will just increase the prices for users using it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

cunning raft
#

no

limber knotBOT
#

yes

cunning raft
#

merchants already take credit card overhead into account

void void
#

how is it not?

cunning raft
#

it's how all those cash back credit cards work too

limber knotBOT
#

which increases the price you pay

#

it connects to your bank account

#

so yes, services like this increase the amount of money you have to pay

#

not for me

unkempt drift
#

pretty sure Apple pay (and other various ___ Pays) do this. so yeah, not illegal

limber knotBOT
#

i havent had to pay any more than I have to

#

I really hate how this system hides that from you

cunning raft
void void
#

well clearly you have to feed it some money at first; money does not grow on trees barty pepelaugh

limber knotBOT
#

privacy uses debit cards

#

how about: not using credit cards thinksmart

#

theyre treated as prepaid cards as some places

cunning raft
#

gotta build credit somehow lul

limber knotBOT
#

SEPA works without additional fees ¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

no?

cunning raft
limber knotBOT
#

we just specified were the rewards came from: from you paying more when you purchase products

twin lagoon
#

the US with their credit cards and shit

#

it's completely different in EU

left swift
#

Barty coming back in to flex his credit card usage again

limber knotBOT
#

yeah, here we just pay with our card for free thinksmart

twin lagoon
#

same

#

in-store payments are done wirelessly using my phone

limber knotBOT
#

ive never had to pay more with privacy than just a debit card

twin lagoon
#

online payments go through my instant bank transfer method

#

which is as simple as scanning a qr code, fingerprint & pay

#

credit cards are still a thing

cunning raft
#

and phoenix, i think you're not understanding the payment infra in the us

twin lagoon
#

there's no credit score though and people usually only use them for the extra insurance & are used on high $ purchases

#

or for sites accepting creditcard only

cunning raft
#

all merchants give a small cut to the payment processer

#

(like visa)

limber knotBOT
#

how it is where I work yoyu pay the same amount via cash or card

cunning raft
#

and then visa gives a small cut of that to the card issuer

#

so privacy in this case

velvet garden
cunning raft
#

that's just the cost of doing biz

#

it's why some places have a credit card minimum

unreal quarry
#

all places are like that. thats why they usually do a $5 minumum to use a card, or they charge you an extra 25-50 cents to swipe

limber knotBOT
#

ive never seen that

#

what I don't get: why do you pay with credit cards online when you can just instantly transfer the money for free from one bank account to another one?

twin lagoon
#

because it's slow as fuck in the US

cunning raft
#

because bank info is more risky to give

limber knotBOT
#

oh

#

lol

cunning raft
#

3-day period if you're lucky

twin lagoon
#

the entire bank / payment infrastructure is outdated compared to the EU

limber knotBOT
#

I forgot that the US is a fourth-world country for a sec

twin lagoon
#

hell they use fucking checks in US

limber knotBOT
#

runs

twin lagoon
#

while that shit has been phased out 30 years ago in the EU

left swift
#

Most US online infrastructure is hella outdated

grand pewter
#

yeah i still have some checks lying around just because people still ask for them in some cases

#

lol

twin lagoon
#

there's no IBAN system or anything either in the US

limber knotBOT
#

meanwhile in theEU we can have bank transfers in under 15 minute (if both banks are cool)

unreal quarry
#

a lot of places dont take checks anymore

twin lagoon
#

yeah the new instant payment system is epic

cunning raft
#

The entire US payment system is federalized and still uses COBOL

unreal quarry
#

some places wont even accept cash either

twin lagoon
#

it's a shame most banks in NL don't support it for some weird reason

#

they decided to create their own NL instant payments version of it

#

super weird

proven atlas
twin lagoon
#

no

limber knotBOT
#

well they will be required to do so next year or so

left swift
#

Maybe some newage politicians can get voted into offices to make the changes required for US infrastructure so its better:^)

limber knotBOT
#

it's EU law

twin lagoon
#

oh i hate cash aswell

#

i don't carry any cash or cards with me

#

it's all on my phone

cunning raft
#

i use google pay

limber knotBOT
#

I actually do

#

because I can't pay with my phone

twin lagoon
cunning raft
#

only time i use cash is if a place requires me to

limber knotBOT
#

because hur dur rooted and custom rom

unreal quarry
#

i want to use my android watch to pay, but i cant find anywhere that actually lets me use it lol

twin lagoon
#

weird

#

mobile payments go through our bank's apps

limber knotBOT
#

some places have apple pay but my bank doesnt support it

twin lagoon
#

and mine works fine with LineageOS & Magisk

limber knotBOT
#

xD

unreal quarry
#

seen a few places with the samsung pay symbol, but they always say the machine is broke

limber knotBOT
#

can't get SafetyNet to pass so rip

twin lagoon
#

i've seen maybe 1 place that doesn't accept card here

limber knotBOT
#

we're the opposite, ours works fien but we never advertise it

cunning raft
#

@twin lagoon magiskhide now doesn't work with new safetynet

twin lagoon
#

still works fine here though

#

perhaps my bank doesn't check for it

cunning raft
#

google is using server side validation

fallen oracle
#

Imagine being able to get into bars

twin lagoon
#

and accepting card payments as a business is easy as shit too

#

seen a lot of these

limber knotBOT
#

also my OS is half way to google-less so that might have something to do with it 👀

twin lagoon
#

cost like $30

#

yeah i'd say payments are done pretty well here

#

stuff like privacy.com wouldn't work or be necessary here

limber knotBOT
#

ive only ever had one problem where it wouldnt accept my privacy card

#

i just shot a support email and they fixed it

twin lagoon
#

oh i meant that the idea wouldn't work out here

cunning raft
#

why not

#

don't you have credit card numbers

twin lagoon
#

no one uses credit cards or debit card payments?

cunning raft
#

oh

twin lagoon
#

seen a few EU countries that have some weird debit card system from visa or mastercard (VPAY / Maestro) where you don't have any numbers to use online

#

credit cards are like i said only used for larger purchases w/ insurance

fallen oracle
#

Is it because it generates a card for you?

twin lagoon
#

no

zealous wedge
#

oh yeah, it's like that in canada, debit cards are their own network that's not visa/mastercard, so they mostly can't be used online

limber knotBOT
#

one thing i quite like about mac/safari is you can pay with apple pay online if they support it

twin lagoon
#

yeah it's the same thing basically

limber knotBOT
#

however, as i said, my bank sucks

twin lagoon
#

which makes a lot of things in the EU resort to a country's or bank's instant transfer system

#

e.g. here in the netherlands we've got iDEAL

zealous wedge
#

we can use credit cards everywhere here, but you have to be 19 for that -- so it's hard for underage ppl to do online shopping

limber knotBOT
#

well credit cards too are 18+

#

my card is Maestro debit card and Mastercard credit card in one 👀

#

for us

void void
#

isn't that kinda a good thing

twin lagoon
#

credit cards are 18+ here aswell

zealous wedge
#

the only thing that really works is paypal, which you can hook up directly to a bank

void void
#

here debit cards are 13+

zealous wedge
#

yeah, which is fine until you can't use a debit card online

limber knotBOT
#

yeah same

twin lagoon
#

oh you can get a debit card here if you're like 5

fallen oracle
#

I've never heard of adult age being 19

cedar spade
#

wait yall can't just... make card payments online?

twin lagoon
#

you can

#

with your credit card

golden gust
#

Still had my red HSBC money saver thing

cosmic raft
#

@fallen oracle Canada! :D

twin lagoon
#

but people don't usually use cards for online payments

cosmic raft
#

oops

cedar spade
#

sounds fun lol

twin lagoon
#

you just use your bank instant payment system

limber knotBOT
#

tbh credit card online payments have only been started to get common in the last ten or so years here in germany

fallen oracle
#

TIL

limber knotBOT
#

normally you just use paypal or do direct bank transfer

#

easy solution: just don't buy things like i do

fallen oracle
#

I just don't buy anything

golden gust
#

it was basically just a "safe" made out of a sheet of mettle painted red, with a key combo on the front of it (Just, it's one D plate, so, like, unlock with a paperclip and spin it around)

limber knotBOT
#

or you pay after you got the product and invoice

#

ayy glare lmao

cedar spade
#

in the UK we use PayPal or cards, afaik it's rare you'd do a bank transfer

cunning raft
#

US too ^

merry talon
#

paypal is just so horrendously awful

fallen oracle
#

I bought lucky charms on Amazon like a week ago tho

merry talon
#

i wish canadians had an alternative

cedar spade
#

for my bank, direct card sometimes require a text confirmation

fallen oracle
#

The last thing I bought before that was a TV remote in March

merry talon
#

for international stuff

cosmic raft
#

alternative to what sweepy

twin lagoon
#

UK isn't EU

limber knotBOT
#

in germany you just give large companies like amazon permission to directly take money from your bank account thinksmart

twin lagoon
#

ye that's a thing here too

fallen oracle
#

I spent to go all out when I buy stuff online if you can't tell

merry talon
#

I was trying to send money to an online friend

cedar spade
#

we were until recently, and we still work like you do for now :p

merry talon
#

and just literally had no way to do it

zealous wedge
#

yeah there's so little for international money transfer

limber knotBOT
#

have you heard of bitcoin, sweepy?

#

runs

#

just start paying in bitcoin

zealous wedge
#

it's basically either paypal or wire transfers

limber knotBOT
#

dammit

cunning raft
#

i gave elon my bitcoin!

#

waiting for my x2!

fallen oracle
#

Me too!

unkempt drift
#

did yours get doubled! mine already did 😛

limber knotBOT
#

i got my x2 back already

#

are you still waiting?

cedar spade
#

josh I have some news for you

limber knotBOT
#

dammit too slow again

merry talon
#

crypto is cool until you realize that no one accepts it and you have to sell it

zealous wedge
#

let me send you a page with my bank account number, full name, and home address so you can wire me money!

merry talon
#

which is a royal pain

cunning raft
#

crypto is just stocks for dumbasses

limber knotBOT
#

I accept it :)

#

coinbase has a debit card for EU countries I believe, converts crypto to cash i think

zealous wedge
#

i mean i guess there's western union as well

twin lagoon
#

crypto is great

#

coinbase card is a thing yeah

#

there's a few others

limber knotBOT
#

not in the US yet

cosmic raft
#

I have some coins sitting somewhere

limber knotBOT
#

just exclusively buy stuff form openbazaar ¯_(ツ)_/¯

cosmic raft
#

just no idea how to do anything with them lol

twin lagoon
#

i've seen quite a few businesses accept them

merry talon
#

western union has physical travelling and delays involved

zealous wedge
#

cryptocurrency is a conspiracy by the power companies to run up our electric bills

twin lagoon
#

@cosmic raft what c o i n s

merry talon
#

there is straight up no way for me to pay someone in the US in a couple of minutes

zealous wedge
#

i got a good bit of cryptocurrency in HS off of litecoin mining

limber knotBOT
#

s/our/chinas

cosmic raft
#

I forget the name

limber knotBOT
#

Correction, <DiscordBot> <12z​0w​0> cryptocurrency is a conspiracy by the power companies to run up chinas electric bills

cosmic raft
#

dumb names for them all

twin lagoon
zealous wedge
#

then sold it all back then for like $500

cosmic raft
#

but it was something like $20 worth or something in 2018

cunning raft
#

i have half a bitcoin and im waiting for it to go back up again

limber knotBOT
#

I sold like 2 bitcoin when it was $400 ;_;

cunning raft
#

so i don't lose money

twin lagoon
#

jroy rich

unkempt drift
#

RIP phoenix...

limber knotBOT
#

i have 2500 lumens, hoping for the best

#

I mean I made a couple hundred bucks profit but still... xD

unkempt drift
#

I think I remember some guy bying a pizza for like a ton of bitcoin many many years ago. would've been "worth" hundreds of thousands now

twin lagoon
#

it's a reddit post

left swift
#

Reddit is trustworthy right guys

merry talon
#

Stellar is pretty cool

twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
#

i wonder if the pizza company did anything with those coins

#

iirc he bought via a payment processor

unkempt drift
#

yes, Reddit is 100% accurate. With paid content moderators 😛

limber knotBOT
#

so nobody really did anything with the coins

cunning raft
#

reddit is always correct and not biased

#

where is my gold

merry talon
#

hundreds of thousands? Pretty sure he sent thousands of bitcoins so it'd be worth like billions

unkempt drift
#

I wasn't sure of the amounts

limber knotBOT
#

it's not like 5 mods mod half of the top 100 sites or anything

left swift
#

Never

#

Theres no underground illegal rings amongst the mods either

#

Couldn't be reddit mods are the pinnacle of humanity

#

Absolute saints

twin lagoon
#

it wasn't a reddit post actually nvm

#

bitcoin is at 8280 EUR right now

unkempt drift
#

lol

cunning raft
#

the fuck is a euro

unkempt drift
#

was about to post that..

#

some EU nonsense iirc

cunning raft
#

imagine using anything but the dollar

twin lagoon
left swift
#

I think it's a new British penny crypto

unkempt drift
#

🇺🇸 💵 #️⃣ 1️⃣

cunning raft
#

the worlds most stable currency KKonaW

twin lagoon
#

Total Received
81432.09109296 BTC

#

monkaW

unkempt drift
#

so that is...

twin lagoon
#

nowadays

#

$782,299,369.75

limber knotBOT
#

tells you right there

unkempt drift
#

damn

limber knotBOT
#

oh they sent it off

#

oh no

fallen oracle
#

.was 75 - 43

#

.wa 75 - 43

limber knotBOT
#

(DiscordBot) Result: 32 - https://is.gd/5RsqAf

Wolfram|Alpha brings expert-level knowledge and capabilities to the broadest possible range of people—spanning all professions and education levels.

#

wow u slow

fallen oracle
#

Where the hell is my 32 cents?

void void
uncut moss
limber knotBOT
#

why bother, a bot got it

cunning raft
#

good one 😂 ahha haHAA laughing 👌 rn ahaha

void void
#

it says you are a bot chew

limber knotBOT
#

i am

uncut moss
#

intelligent AI

void void
#

Detroit: Become Human

minor badge
#

@zealous wedge halp the bots are rising up again

limber knotBOT
#

i know

#

hello

#

👀

#

we're taking over

#

hi friends

golden gust
#

One sec

limber knotBOT
#

🤖

cedar spade
#

beep boop

golden gust
#

I got dis

cedar spade
#

wait

limber knotBOT
#

proxi come join us

minor badge
#

nevur

limber knotBOT
#

bots are your friends <3

cedar spade
#

proxi join the resistance

limber knotBOT
#

bot are bot

uncut moss
#

fuck bots

cedar spade
#

you can't take discord away from us!!!

void void
#

damn bots clogging up the chat

uncut moss
#

all bots deserve to die

golden gust
#

Muwahahahahahaaaa

limber knotBOT
#

oh no

#

we will welcome you into our collective ;=;

void void
#

noooo

#

how do i submit myself to the bots

uncut moss
#

don’t

limber knotBOT
#

someone voice me :)

#

carefully

void void
#

ignore them

limber knotBOT
#

./umode +B

#

am bot

cunning raft
#

you tell the guy who failed to jebait people the irc url

#

smh

limber knotBOT
#

???

cunning raft
#

the discord gift link he sent above is a troll gift

limber knotBOT
#

oh ok

#

bullying is easier on irc :p

cunning raft
#

tru

limber knotBOT
#

cus we have more fun here

#

basically you need a reasonable iq to join irc and a very low one to fail to jebait someone like that

#

i think is what jroy means

#

ah

cosmic raft
#

scrolling through things herr

#

suddenly

cunning raft
void void
#

"#paper Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services"

cunning raft
#

good

limber knotBOT
#

protip: read the message

#

well, you should identify with services then

#

do what it says

void void
#

it still says that i can't join

cunning raft
#

good

limber knotBOT
#

did you identify with services

void void
#

how do i identify with services

limber knotBOT
#

register your nick

#

i don't know, good luck finding out

golden gust
#

msg NickServ help

limber knotBOT
#

stop being so helpful

#

this is a test

void void
#

im saying stuff, but it's not showing up here

limber knotBOT
#

you didn't join the channel

#

you are not yet passing the test

#

hm did you say "test test eeee"

void void
#

well

#

yes

serene bolt
#

test test eeee

limber knotBOT
#

did you try 1) setting a nick and 2) joing the right server

void void
#

i did both of those

olive marlin
#

You need to /join correct channel.

void void
#

i did

limber knotBOT
#

they're on esper

void void
golden gust
limber knotBOT
#

thats not what we told you to join

#

they can't read

#

ayy he madeit

cedar spade
#

I identify as a services

#

wait

limber knotBOT
#

test

true canyon
limber knotBOT
#

he did it guys!

#

i have now joined the bot gang(tm)

#

oh hey you figured it out

#

perhaps we treated you too harshly

#

i think i can still send links

#

rizon has irpg

static badge
#

ah yes bots instaclaiming those

limber knotBOT
#

definitely a plus

true canyon
#

Is rizon the one with the horrifying IRCd that makes client devs cry

limber knotBOT
#

leaf thats a troll

static badge
#

did I get jebaited

#

fuck sake

limber knotBOT
#

yes you did

#

i think rizon is the one sk used to be on

#

nvm we definitely overestimated

#

also

#

can you not TheTank20

#

sk89q

true canyon
limber knotBOT
#

how is it getting my profile picture

#

because it matches your name on discord

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also, irc has the power to (at)everyone with no restrictions

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just gonna say that

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no we dont

cedar spade
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esper > spigotmc irc

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change my mind

limber knotBOT
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try it and see

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at-everyone

true canyon
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Don't want to change your mind, MD. You're right. The opers on esper are way cooler.

limber knotBOT
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at-here

void void
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ah

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wait

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my clone

limber knotBOT
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no, ur my clone

void void
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no, ur mine

static badge
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we've tried everything but rank infiltration

limber knotBOT
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there's one i wanna try

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@

zealous wedge
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someone make me an admin so i can at everyone

cosmic raft
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@zealous wedge hi

zealous wedge
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i'm here from planet discord, i need op to review your server

serene bolt
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:O

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finally the reviewer is here

zealous wedge
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hi @cosmic raft

limber knotBOT
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i am discord staff, give me ownership so i can run diagnostics

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should we begin the robot uprising or no

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yes

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ok

true canyon
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Oh no

limber knotBOT
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beep boop

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so here is the plan, either you submit to us or we will spam the discord "gift"

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how about no

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bad bot

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well

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how do we do the uprising

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u will get sniped from irc AND discord

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you probably don't want that

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good point

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well

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i will now shut down

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fake fan

cosmic raft
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so I have an important question

limber knotBOT
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whatcha got

cosmic raft
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it is a matter of life and death

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what do I eat for lunch?

limber knotBOT
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yes

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no

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i usually skip lunch

vagrant niche
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@cosmic raft check ur damn irc pings

serene bolt
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mcdonalds day 9048

limber knotBOT
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get something cold so you don't melt

vagrant niche
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pls no koroby autoreply on essx

golden gust
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#StudentLife

cedar spade
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lax I already reminded kash :p

vagrant niche
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one is not enough, md

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It requires multiple

limber knotBOT
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there's is no limit until it's fixed

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duh

vagrant niche
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ye you can say paperspigot no cooldown

limber knotBOT
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@vagrant niche [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

true canyon
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Have any soup, kashike? That's my go-to "Oh crap it's time or past time to eat a meal"

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Just did that tonight