but that cant make mods
#general
limber knotBOT
void void
It can
vestal jasper
hmmm I wonder if fabric will let me define a range of potential vein sizes
void void
zealous wedge
there's a worldgen discord
zealous wedge
I don't I can bug ppl for it
vestal jasper
I'll scout fabric server
vestal jasper
you cancelled it before discord even alerted me of the call dw
void void
Uhhhh
zealous wedge
oooh nice
void void
Once I called guy on messenger accidentally and my phone lagged
For one minute
With camera on
zealous wedge
you can always ask
fabric has a lot of keeners who will help you no matter how long it takes you to figure things out
spice finch
Typical behaviour with messenger and camera on lag calls
Had the same multiple times
void void
haha barty has headache causer nice
vestal jasper
biome.addFeature(GenerationStep.Feature.UNDERGROUND_DECORATION, Feature.NO_SURFACE_ORE.configure(new OreFeatureConfig(OreFeatureConfig.Target.NETHERRACK, Blocks.ANCIENT_DEBRIS.getDefaultState(), 3)).createDecoratedFeature(Decorator.COUNT_DEPTH_AVERAGE.configure(new CountDepthDecoratorConfig(1, 16, 8))));
biome.addFeature(GenerationStep.Feature.UNDERGROUND_DECORATION, Feature.NO_SURFACE_ORE.configure(new OreFeatureConfig(OreFeatureConfig.Target.NETHERRACK, Blocks.ANCIENT_DEBRIS.getDefaultState(), 2)).createDecoratedFeature(Decorator.COUNT_RANGE.configure(new RangeDecoratorConfig(1, 8, 16, 128))));```ok
zealous wedge
nice
limber knotBOT
rip
vestal jasper
actually zml
some other people's source comments of the method I have call the size field the "maximum size of the vein"
rather than "the size of the vein"
so it's possible that's just the default behaviour
limber knotBOT
could be? i know very little about worldgen
you monster even names yourself z0w0 on irc
hello z0w0
hi chew and KennyTV
i am chew
watching matt on mixer one last time
it makes my discord avatar show up properly :p
vestal jasper
ngl I almost exclusively play with like 100 tech mods, the comparatively extremely small amount of ores I'm getting in general is fucking with my brain
especially since i'm actively searching for ores
yeah
they vary automatically
limber knotBOT
ah MC
vestal jasper
Sulfites are used to bleach paper and as preservatives for many foodstuffs. Many surfactants and detergents are sulfate derivatives. Calcium sulfate (gypsum) is mined on the scale of 100 million tonnes each year for use in cement and plaster.```interesting
zealous wedge
sulphur mod wen
zealous wedge
crafting ingredient for everything
vestal jasper
I might as well make it useful for more than just crafting gunpowder
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@zealous wedge uwu
vestal jasper
@spare venture got any ideas?
zealous wedge
@minor badge uwu
vestal jasper
saltpeter can be used as a fertilizer
limber knotBOT
it's just alt-bonemeal
vestal jasper
fuck it I'm gonna make niter
yeah
hm zml
I wonder if there's a way to make ores only appear in caves
or a way to simulate that
limber knotBOT
maybe if you did something interacting with carvers?
vestal jasper
populator that targets caves perhaps?
limber knotBOT
quack
vestal jasper
Niter is a large white or grey encrusting mineral found on the surfaces and floors of caves, in arid desert regions.
limber knotBOT
i'm a rubber duck i don't know anything about worldgen quack
vestal jasper
rubber duck debugging
thorny rivet
probably too ontopic for offtopic, but well: How did you promote your server? I'm deving for a server where the owner mostly only registered us on server lists where we are on page 4, which lead to good users (as in mature, you really see they worked their list through us and thoroughly enjoyed our concepts), but it was only a handful and they left due to being alone on the servers.
Now the problem is I cannot do organic advertisement as I am new to the MC community and have no friends playing MC besides them and all the (german) streamers are on 2 big "youtuber servers", which are comparable to hypixel on a german scale, which have lots of sky wars matchmaking and stuff.
TLDR: How did you advertise/grow
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i take it your server is german as a whole?
thorny rivet
Yes
minor badge
thats step 1 of not growing; targetting a subset of players in an already small subset of players
if you want german still, id probably just recommend tailoring it to their language by geolocation; would help germans understand instantly, and english or others also understand
trim oracle
persistentdatacontainer so useful
thorny rivet
You mean localizing the plugins and picking the locale based on the geolocation?
minor badge
yes
vestal jasper
hey zml you here?
do I force the player to use charcoal, or do I allow both coal and charcoal to be used in the recipe
vestal jasper
kk
limber knotBOT
are there vanilla situations where you can use one but not the other?
vestal jasper
not that I'm aware of
Charcoal is an alternative to coal obtained from smelting logs or wood. It has the same uses as normal coal, except that it cannot be traded with villagers or crafted into a block of coal. Coal and charcoal also cannot stack together.
really charcoal just has slightly less usages
limber knotBOT
hm yeah, so for anything functional it should be equivalent it seems
is there an item tag that covers both charcoal and coal?
hollow plaza
Is Vanilla minecraft ever going to be optimized
limber knotBOT
i think so vic?
vestal jasper
let's try it and see
pepper it isn't as simple as that
optimiation isn't a boolean "yes/no"
yep zml that works
nice
limber knotBOT
nice
desert slate
I need a developer Please Help me
finite wave
.g services spigotmc
limber knotBOT
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thorny rivet
proxi: I fear people (childs) won't be open to international communication, refusing to talk english. But it's a good idea for my "personal" plugin I wanted to "publish", howver I'd need testers in it's current phase but I don't know the specific type of players I need ๐ (1.15 open minded PvP Players)
finite wave
Oh america you are so smart
void void
Oh america you are so smart
@finite wave at some moments I am so happy to be an european and not an american.
void void
^modified client or old version of discord mobile
static pilot
neither
void void
then what?
void void
hm guess discords buggy again cos you're not meant to see them
finite wave
I had some issues with it showing channels yesterday too
static pilot
I donโt see them
vernal moth
I wish ppl would stop saying conspiracy theory. It's not a theory, it's a conspiracy myth
Saying theory is frameing, giving it a sense of scentific and legitimation
quasi valley
conspiracy brainfarts* 
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@twin lagoon uwu
cedar spade
**knenspiracy brainfarts
twin lagoon
@minor badge uwu
minor badge
hes learning german 
quartz peak
void void
i hate javascript
trim oracle
do people not like md5
potent fossil
?
twin lagoon
a fork of bungeecord
sleek tree
potent fossil
Waterfall is to Bungee what Paper is to Spigot
trim oracle
oh michael followed me here
twin lagoon
yes
potent fossil
yes waterfall>bungee but velocity > *
twin lagoon
potent fossil
well, no, traefik is fine
trim oracle
why does everyone from thst guild follow me when I change guilds
potent fossil
but caddy however
twin lagoon
caddy 
trim oracle
potent fossil
i deleted caddy and replaced it with an nginx container and a php container and i got my php site to run but php just shows a blank page, no errors, nada so
thats where i left off, went to play wow
now im back on linux so ill check it out soon
twin lagoon
tf does wow not run on linux with wine
potent fossil
but traefik is running now at least, its just getting all my stuff running again that is the problem so far
i mean lutris has a wow profile but i can't get anything to run properly with lutris
twin lagoon
f
potent fossil
everything requires dxvk, the installation for which is very spotty
they link a 12 minute video of some guy installing it to 2007 tutorial music
and are like "follow it"
potent fossil
well they dont, its a separate step
thats apparently what i need to get battle.net to open, from which i could play wow
twin lagoon
v
potent fossil
but lmao whatever, its easy enough to just os jump
potent fossil
yeah that video lmao
twin lagoon
that video isn't important though
that's just for custom DXVK
lutris games will provide the DXVK version
potent fossil
twin lagoon
simp dum
potent fossil
ok well in that case
i have all that shit and it still doesnt run
so lmao whatever
limber knotBOT
science has been achieved
worn ember
hey simp ๐
potent fossil
sup
mossy vessel
@vestal jasper can you not kthx
astral flax
quick question anyone know how to restart just a single plugin with out restarting whole server
twin lagoon
.g frankheijden serverutils
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://github.com/FrankHeijden -- FrankHeijden (Frank van der Heijden) ยท GitHub: "Student at TU Delft, BSc Computer Science and Engineering | FrankHeijden#0099 ... ServerUtils - (Un/Re)load plugins in-game, commands.yml, Bukkit..."
twin lagoon
o
this plugin works for that
try to avoid using it in production
restart whenever possible
you'll also need to restart to get that plugin anyways
nor does every plugin support hot-reloading
astral flax
yeah its just while im adjusting holograms haah
twin lagoon
holograms?
there's probably a reload function built-in
for holographicdisplays or holograms
cosmic raft
x_x
astral flax
yep your right haha thanks ๐
latent valve
/reload confirm run away
finite wave
void void
anyone here
that knows
anything
about
olld
sony crts
specifically, the sony trinitrions?
potent fossil
you can type without pressing the enter key as punctuation.
void void
Cant get in the settings menu, there is no such button
potent fossil
i highly doubt you're going to find help here, so thanks for the spam
worn ember
Anyone know what the actual point of foreign keys is? Like when inserting and retrieving data from the database through code it serves no purpose right?
i know they mark relations and such, but it feels rather pointless to me if you cant actually do anything with them
grave oxide
if the primary key changes, you can cascade it to all foreign keys
worn ember
i see
cosmic raft
hm
I wonder if this java install broke somehow
Invalid maximum heap size: -Xmx8G
The specified size exceeds the maximum representable size.
Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
cunning raft
is it 64 bit (server) java?
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@cosmic raft did u watch the video
vagrant niche
I did, so hot
polar slate
anyone using intelliJ here ?
mental meadow
kinda
grave oxide
.ask
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
worn ember
im sure there is someone here yes
vagrant niche
Netbeans Reloaded is where it's at now
polar slate
i'm having trouble with line endings, i have files that refuse to be converted to LF despite all settings
(they are in CRLF)
does anyone have a solution to force the files I selected to be converted to LF ?
uncut moss
i only use BlueJ
potent fossil
dos2unix program @polar slate
polar slate
i have like 500 files to convert
uncut moss
lol i use intellij
worn ember
i was forced to use bluej in my first year of college 
potent fossil
for file in *.ext; do
dos2unix file
done
im simping for simple rn
uncut moss
simp
potent fossil
no, that makes you not cool actually
uncut moss
frick
polar slate
will try that, ty
worn ember
why doesnt intellij detect some sql fields shouldnt be filled in cuz they're auto generated smh
shame on them
worn ember
yup
fallen oracle
Morning
uncut moss
there's street view inside their office lol
potent fossil
boring as expected
worn ember
its wanting me to fill in the id too, but its autoincrement lul
worn ember
well its still better than no sql support at all ig
worn ember
must be aids to validate that stuff
polar slate
it worked ! tysm @potent fossil
worn ember
i just run the queries in console and see if they work lol
potent fossil
np i just used google
worn ember
google god
uncut moss
.w 1 + 1
potent fossil
.g intellij dos2unix
uncut moss
what's the wolfram alpha command
limber knotBOT
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uncut moss
.wa 1+ 1
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: 2 - https://is.gd/tRAQdk
uncut moss
ok thank
potent fossil
tru
worn ember
knowing what to google is half the work
potent fossil
just gotta git gud
potent fossil
cant relate never had a question closed
grave oxide
@worn ember what if you wrote `id` instead of id in that query?
worn ember
mine just dont get answered most of the time lol
potent fossil
looks like those have answers but you didnt accept them
worn ember
nah those dont acutally solve the issue lol
uncut moss
i want mac
worn ember
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58653321/imgur-returning-500-internal-server-error-for-binary-body this was an interesting issue which is still havent solved to this day, if i used a binary body imgur would return 500 but if i used base64 it worked fine 
potent fossil
put a bounty on it
worn ember
i dont really care about it anymore
worn ember
just thought it was weird
potent fossil
enough rep on SO can make you damn near a god
you can get enough rep where you can just delete someone's question
worn ember
i am already a god, no need for points
uncut moss
that's stupid
potent fossil
no bc its like gradual mod perms
worn ember
not really
worn ember
if you have that amount of points you clearely care a great deal about the site
uncut moss
people who would abuse that could still get lots of rep
potent fossil
and ofc they have actual mods to roll stuff back but i get the feeling they're hardly needed
potent fossil
yeah Jon is a god
potent fossil
Jon Skeet is literally a household name in the SO community
worn ember
Skeet go brrr
void void
holy crap
potent fossil
2008
worn ember
uncut moss
worn ember
where are these from?
waxen panther
potent fossil
Jon Skeet once answered one of my questions 42 seconds before I asked it. It is my belief that he employed a super computer and Infinite Improbability Drive technology to achieve this result.
worn ember
they'll most definitely get it wrong
cosmic raft
who is a Jon skeet
void void
stack overflow god
potent fossil
cosmic raft
is that the guy from game of thrones
worn ember
void void
worn ember
he's the SO god
cedar spade
is he the newsreader for Channel 4?
potent fossil
drivers think twice before they dare interrupt Jon's code
worn ember
uncut moss
jon skeet works for google apparently
worn ember
ofc he does
void void
ahahhaa
worn ember
https://github.com/google?q=&type=&language=c%23 well they have a few C# repo's, not many tho
worn ember
do you know how many people work at those companies lmao?
uncut moss
i think employees can put some of their own stuff up on the organization
waxen panther
wrtf is going on in here
uncut moss
i mean there's a lot of stuff that isn't really related to google
worn ember
thank god its only 16
worn ember
potent fossil
this is ofc only their public stuff fellas
worn ember
you mean we dont get access to their super secret private projects????
void void
nooooo
waxen panther
tfw google have no projects in HolyC ๐
void void
those are too holy to be public
tawny junco
lads whats the link to aikars paper/spigot/bukkit changes again
void void
you mean the papermc website?
tawny junco
aikar has recommended changes for those yml files
cant find it in my browser history
fallen oracle
Can't wait for the 1.16 update of the post that just says go back.
worn ember
go back where
gleaming rivet
go back to when everything was nice 
waxen panther
๐
potent fossil
goes back to beta 1.8
worn ember
1.12.2 honestly
unreal quarry
Ah, yes. I remember 1.2.5 very well, and it's hard chunk edges due to anvil changes ^_^
Fun times ^_^
void void
somehow even between 1.12 and 1.15/16 the game feels really weird
void void
i'd care if the servers updated, but that's rn impossible :(
unreal quarry
Why are you even here then, ded? Lol
worn ember
cuz i still do plugin development for newer versions
i just dont care about the additions of new stuff
like items and whatever weird mobs
quasi valley
ur an absolute scrub ded
uncut moss
rgb chat tho
uncut moss
lol idk how to even use it
void void
to me rgb text sounds like eye cancer
worn ember
it can be nice if used properly
but honestly in most cases the 16 default colors are fine
uncut moss
i'll just stick to them
worn ember
i support rgb
uncut moss
how
worn ember
but i personally always use the default ones
wym how?
i just parse the rgb
and pass it to the text component
uncut moss
wat
worn ember
the way i do it is horrendous but it worksโข๏ธ
uncut moss
minedown looks nice tbh
worn ember
if i ever get done with this quest system i might implement minedown or minimessage in my rtp plugin but meh
uncut moss
looks like it literally is just one line to implement it so why not lol
limber knotBOT
it replaces replacements 
uncut moss
how are keys and values stored in an array tho
limber knotBOT
alternately
uncut moss
do i need adventure as well
limber knotBOT
if you want to use MineDown-adventure, yes
normal one works with bungee-chat
(and only works on platforms that have bungee-chat)
uncut moss
does spigot
limber knotBOT
yes
limber knotBOT
no, md5 releases spigot
uncut moss
what are the advantages of minedown-adventure
limber knotBOT
craftbukkit doesn't even get compiled by buildtools anymore
and bukkit 1.16 isn't in the maven repos
the advantage is that it uses adventure rather than bungee-chat
therefore it works on all platforms that have an adventure adapter
uncut moss
wouldn't people have to install the adapter to be able to use it with spigot then
uncut moss
oh is adventure-platform-bukkit thing the adapter
limber knotBOT
yes
vast wyvern
why does paper have bukkit.yml, spigot.yml, and paper.yml? Whats the difference between all of these files and what do they change?
twin lagoon
read through the files
there's different options in there
managed by different projects
paper is a fork of spigot, spigot is a fork of bukkit
dapper nacelle
bukkit is a fork of paper
urban depot
Do most people set up FTP when they use hetzner servers or something like transfer.sh and wget?
or similar
i use debian
I just have a bad feeling about FTP
but it'd be easier i think
well.. depends tho
nah nvm ignore all that
unreal quarry
What's the storage like vs dynmap?
Ok, so those wanting a data comparison between dynmap and bluemap... here's my results: dynmap stores 2.2GB of data. bluemap stores 42GB of data... Fun stuff
waxen panther
lol
finite wave
Well bluemap looks much better imo
twin lagoon
cubecraft
lavish nova
that explains
serene bolt
#ad #sponsored
lavish nova
why that didn't type where I thought it would
limber knotBOT
I wonder how much overviewer stores
void void
interesting text heights
urban depot
I don't know the SFTP port
limber knotBOT
eww
twin lagoon
zed we all know this was planned advertising
olive marlin
@urban depot SFTP works on your standard 22 port by default.
It's the same port you use for SSH.
urban depot
Thank you SO MUCH it works ๐
olive marlin
I remember regular SFTP client being slow on multiple files, and the alternative I found that could do multiple at once, had issue when the files were small - it nuked their data for some reason (were 0b after downloading).
So I just stuck with rsync and company.
golden gust
transfers for small files are generally trash tbqh
much faster often to just abuse tar and pipe it over ssh or something
urban depot
wget's fine for small files, right?
golden gust
I mean, wget's just for downloading files
if you're downloading files 1:1, it's no different
urban depot
that's what i eman
golden gust
if you're pushing files over the network, that gets fun
olive marlin
Yeah, I often do tar -> pigz -> send -> unpigz -> untar. Works great!
Since I can do it in a pipe.
golden gust
I don't bother with compression generally
urban depot
So you're saying you would transfer as tar and then uncompress?
golden gust
yes
urban depot
Ok
golden gust
compression often makes little difference for what I'm transfering in general
tar > ssh > untar
that's what I do
olive marlin
I mean - I found pigz to work faster than network. So it was not the bottleneck. But if those are very different things - then it's not worth it.
golden gust
My personal thing was the size of data that I usually transfer and how long it takes, thrashing my CPU over to compression is just hardly worth it
olive marlin
True.
uncut moss
phoenix how is the replace thing supposed to work
limber knotBOT
replaces placeholders with strings (or components depending on the method used)
e.g. the array {"placeholder", "replacement"} will result "string %placeholder%" to be "string replacement"
uncut moss
ooh %
limber knotBOT
you can specify which placeholder prefix and suffixes you want ;)
% is just the default as that's what I'm used to
unreal quarry
btw @olive marlin grats on being the 5000th commit to PaperMC ^_^
finite wave
nice
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forcepush away md5's commits >:(
olive marlin
Thanks Billy!
I also noticed it.
Looks so nice. 1/5000th of the commits in Paper repo are now made by me!
That is, ignoring backports, I guess.
urban depot
What do you guys have as scripts to restart your server?
finite wave
The default ones
olive marlin
Don't do restarts - let start script handle it for you?
urban depot
like something like shutdown -r
urban depot
i forgot but
limber knotBOT
I just run the server in a loop and run /stop
finite wave
You want to restart the vps?
olive marlin
Oh, to restart VM?
urban depot
nah not a while true loop
unkempt drift
rm -rf /
urban depot
to do a healthy restar
twin lagoon
of what
urban depot
yeah restart vm too
twin lagoon
systemctl reboot
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healthy restart
olive marlin
shutdown -r now
urban depot
no i mean restart the vm and then it runs the server immediately
limber knotBOT
why would you restart linux? smh
kindred storm
unhealthy restart?
urban depot
refresh?
kindred storm
you mean an init script
unkempt drift
if on windows, delete System32 before
minor badge
sounds to me like you just want smth like crontab + init service
finite wave
Why
minor badge
you really dont
urban depot
Just thought it'd speed it up
minor badge
linux is well made and can easily run for years on end
kindred storm
years? really?
minor badge
yes
finite wave
Just ask aikar
kindred storm
wow
urban depot
so a while true will do
finite wave
He has something with 2000+days iirc
unkempt drift
someone's gotta trick aikar into running something that shutsdown his computer. break that streak of his ๐
limber knotBOT
r/uptimeporn
ashen cliff
That stack of Cisco gear from decades ago, that is holding up the entire internet sure has some nice uptime.
quasi valley
respond "its better as 1.8 has faults... or something"
limber knotBOT
^
finite wave
Done https://i.imgur.com/JzwAaaK.png proud of me?
olive marlin
O, paper is at over 60%?
finite wave
Idk i just took that banner from this discord
waxen panther
simp
olive marlin
I wonder where that % number is from then. Since globally it's at 38.4% on bstats and I don't see how to limit it to a version.
golden gust
bstats + mafs last I knew
unkempt drift
its gotta be more than 99% of plugins that work
unreal quarry
@finite wave gib link to banner plz
unkempt drift
99.99%
olive marlin
Searched for mafs bstats, got Married at First Sight wikipedia article...
grave oxide
Plugins which dont work on paper should be destroyed because they're low quality plugins 
unkempt drift
does someone have an example of a plugin that doens't work on paper?
kindred storm
yes
there's a TPS adjuster plugin
lemme find it
it's in the SpigotMC "fun" section I think, and lets you change the target TPS
waxen panther
tps adjuster
kindred storm
I've never used it but I noticed it said it doesn't work on paper
uncut moss
how do you even make a plugin that doesn't work on paper
waxen panther
reflecting a field that paper doesnt have usually
which you shouldn't be doing, some plugins are just pepega
uncut moss
well that's stupid anyway
waxen panther
Correct for the most part but people try to reflect things over than nms
unreal quarry
the only plugins i've seen that dont work on paper have specific checks put in place to detect paper and shut themselves down
uncut moss
stupid
unreal quarry
yeah, some people hate that paper exists and fight against it
golden gust
Depends on the patch
Sometimes there are stuff which doesn't make sense to keep
majority of the times devs have stupid issues, it's because they're morons and refuse to use the proper method
has a flashback to that one moron who was ree'ing about how paper was evil because he was reflecting into some collection vs using the add/remove methods
finite wave
unkempt drift
gonna throw that in my signature as well
olive marlin
Hmm, that's gives me an idea.
Detect if running spigot -> make a runnable with long, random delay -> fake a plugin crash. So you can host your plugin on spigotmc page (it works on Spigot), but can tell all poor souls to use Paper instead. ๐ค
finite wave
No
I mean the plugin thing will get you banned
but using the banner no.
Yes
@serene bolt Will u ban me?
uncut moss
wait wut
golden gust
people advertise all sorts of shit on their sigs
uncut moss
is paper really 60%?
finite wave
Oh shit pure has notable sohuldn't tag them
golden gust
looks at kangaroo
unreal quarry
yes @uncut moss
serene bolt
pretty sure an advertisement is allowed in your signature
uncut moss
damn nice
serene bolt
if it's not, then people have been breaking the rules for years lol
unkempt drift
lol, if you can't advertise... RIP to part of glares mc banners
limber knotBOT
I mean, advertising your server in a post would get it removed and maybe even banned ;)
meanwhile it's fine in sigs ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
unreal quarry
ty @finite wave ^_^
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it's allowed in sigs
we went over the rules a few times
the competitors to spigotmc stuff only applies to resources
unkempt drift
make sure to make it a link ๐
finite wave
I've mentioned paper and its superiority over at spigot discord, haven't been kicked yet.
limber knotBOT
"yet" ๐
unkempt drift
setup a script, sends paper > spigot 4 times a day ๐
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it's also technically allowed in a post as long as it isn't advertisement
according to the rules, anyways...
serene bolt
fake news
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the rules dont forbid it
unreal quarry
not true. i've gotten my shit deleted idk how many times trying to help someone copy MaterialSetTag from Paper to their plugin. Reason for deletion: saying the class was from "Paper"
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i'm not saying the spigot mods go beyond the rules though; nothing mentioning competitors in posts being disallowed compared to resources
serene bolt
yes, support topics involving paper will get your post removed, I'm unaware of any other reason on why it would happen
unreal quarry
tried to fight that one. wasnt going anywhere so i quit before i got banned
finite wave
They are a dictator ship
limber knotBOT
technically mods can remove anything that gets counted as advertising ;)
kindred storm
lol
uncut moss
ivan guy said that
kindred storm
where's that?
finite wave
MongoDB being faster than sql?
serene bolt
barty you know exactly why your thread was removed
finite wave
One of those guys https://i.imgur.com/zjNLi0a.png
kindred storm
honestly I don't know why that thread was removed, which is why I'm asking
serene bolt
should I count how many times you mentioned paper, tuinity or purpur throughout the entire thread and kept telling people to use it and suggested it ๐ค
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I've had no problem saying that e.g. https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/1.16/org/bukkit/block/Block.html#getState-boolean- is available on paper if someone wants to not hack around problems
serene bolt
no
unreal quarry
๐ฎ he mentioned purpur? โค๏ธ
limber knotBOT
not mentioning Origami smh
kindred storm
It suggested that users can also run other forks which have more performance patches
finite wave
.g "purpur" site:spigotmc.org
limber knotBOT
the only fork that allows for proper villager handling
runs
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/shulkerrespawner.73638/ -- ShulkerRespawner | SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft: "This plugin checks for Endermen spawns on purpur blocks, and if the purpur block is part of an End City the spawn is cancelled, and a Shulkerย ..."
unreal quarry
๐
golden gust
what's purpur?
serene bolt
the problem is that the optimization guide covers a majority of paper / tuinity options, which isn't appropriate for most people who use spigot, only a small amount of the thread actually applied to server owners using just spigot
unreal quarry
purple block, cat
golden gust
is that like sythulus?
finite wave
The amount of people having troubles with purpur https://i.imgur.com/78uXTrP.png
golden gust
I can . totes spell
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serene bolt
well yeah I understand that, and your guide was great, I'm just saying it wasn't a great fit for the spigot forums because of that reason
finite wave
.forums
limber knotBOT
writes optimization thread about paper on spigot forums
golden gust
Honestly, just shove it on papers forums, shove it in a sig or something
limber knotBOT
wonders why it gets removed
finite wave
Go to paper forums.
golden gust
Well, Cele's is dated in legacy
serene bolt
yeah but even if most spigot users use paper, again, that's not the purpose of the website. Also, i didn't delete your thread, so don't get mad at me :P I'm just explaining my thought process behind it
unreal quarry
we cant be mad at you, pure โค๏ธ
unreal quarry
lol
finite wave
Ban pure, being a member of spigotmc
limber knotBOT
if you see rule breaking content then I sure hope you reported it ;D
urban depot
I've just realised... apex is overpriced, right?
unreal quarry
if i had a forum, barty, i'd let you post it
golden gust
hitting at existing material is just bleh; even if the spigot mods link that post themselves...
runs
serene bolt
anyways I don't come to paper to discuss spigot drama, I come here for my friends <3
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@serene bolt puwure
finite wave
Proxi stop being a furry again
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urban depot
apex is overpriced compared to hetzner right? I think it is
golden gust
it's shared hosting
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you get what you pay for i guess?
unreal quarry
soon, barty. the takeover has already begun. and we're winning
urban depot
yeah but would some people agree that apex is more expensive than hetzner for what it offers
?
golden gust
apex is more expensive
kindred storm
not kangarko again
finite wave
Cat make a deal with kangarko
golden gust
That's literally the exact model of shared hosting
kindred storm
i've had enough of that guy
finite wave
๐ฆ
golden gust
apex likely rents/colos servers somewhere cheap
urban depot
then gets extra profit for support etc?
true canyon
I for one am shocked.
golden gust
You pay for their administrative/profit's, so; shared hosts will basically always be more expensive because they have their own margins
unkempt drift
did something ever happen to kangarko? or is he still kicking around
urban depot
Epic
golden gust
Just really depends on "do you need enough resources that it actually matters"
finite wave
I remember apex just blaming paper for issues that were related to plugins or user errors
urban depot
flipping heck i hate hosts now
urban depot
I knew enough linux stuff already to be able to do this with hetzner and the first thing i went to was a host
limber knotBOT
yeah, lol
urban depot
waste of money
limber knotBOT
reports without the post would've been way more effective
golden gust
and then also turned the whole situation from "dealing with inexistent reports" to "dealing with a bunch of children acting like morons"
gleaming rivet
imagine paper getting md5 role in regards to mojang xd
golden gust
Spigot doesn't care about screenshots
the report tool takes a snapshot of the content which cannot be modified
he said he'd ignore them if you contributed nothing new
if you have new infactions to report, report them properly
limber knotBOT
was it spigot rules they were breaking? if not then contact the appropriate authorities...
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well you see, spigot doesnt really care about it cause it's not happening on their site
limber knotBOT
that's pretty much how spigot has always handled offsite drama
pulsar wigeon
report them to the fcc for non-unsubscribable spam :^)
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if it's such an issue, just set up filters lol
golden gust
You must be new here
finite wave
Can we not have this discussion again?
golden gust
This is nothing new to how md moderates in any capacity
offsite stuff, not his problem
finite wave
It was fun the last 60 times.
golden gust
on site stuff, use the tool properly
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why would they give a shit abt people not breaking their rules? it's more effort and it isn't really easy to prove either
peak dirge
md_69
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helo ๐ ฑ๏ธelocity man
golden gust
it's murky water
peak dirge
just gonna say, switch to ๐ ฑ๏ธ elocity
golden gust
Over here we believe in community bans
limber knotBOT
technically there are no special ToS beyond the spigot rules ;)
golden gust
md doesn't, only way to get a ban is to basically break their rules
limber knotBOT
and even they are not legally sound in some jurisdictions ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
thorny rivet
speaking of hetzner, their cloud solutions are comparatively expensive, unfortunately
thorny rivet
otherwise you could boot your servers on demand and only need a lobby
golden gust
You pay a premium on the fact that they're maintaining the infra, you pay a premium on the ability to scale up/down consistently
thorny rivet
like from 1am to ~11am, we mostly have noone only
golden gust
it's why no sane server actually uses cloud hosting as their primary setup ground
thorny rivet
I know that, but I meant compared to other cloud providers
but then other cloud providers have a completely different customer range/setup though
gleaming rivet
i mean you could boot on demand on a dedicated aswell
just not on a very large scale
and you wouldn't save any money on it
thorny rivet
unless it helps be to not buy 1,5 dedicated servers, basically
gleaming rivet
huh
thorny rivet
or say I always have the same size playerbase, it just variies on the gamemode
urban depot
You'll get better Hardware at Hetzner, but better Network and probably DDOS protection on OVH.
(^message from a few days ago)
So if I use a public Hetzner server is it very prone to DDoS attacks?
golden gust
OVH invest a metric fuckton of cash at their network
it's why their support is basically totally ass
gleaming rivet
Hetzner has decent ddos protection but you are probably better off using something like TCPShield https://tcpshield.com/
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it's also in I-S
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lol
twin lagoon
@minor badge uwu
mental meadow
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@twin lagoon uwu
finite wave
serene bolt
it must feel weird to be a non nitro user, no custom emoji would upset me :(
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i wonder if it'd be a trivial task to add PDC to all blocks as opposed to only tileentities
quasi valley
even then I just use my twitch prime sub to get some top tier emotes of a streamer 
mental meadow
Animated rainbow emojis are worth the price itself
void void
thorny rivet
@urban depot can't tell that. We're at a "subhoster" of hetzner and their ddos protection didn't trigger, but if the support was more intelligent, they could've solved that attack. Essentially you have to try that.
Difference is that ovh has like I think 2 or 3 Gbit/s for their hosts. And they have a "game related ddos protection", but you only get that on very expensive hosts
finite wave
thorny rivet
Oh and the most important thing: there's not just one type of ddos, it really depends
urban depot
You know TCPShield, does it work on paper..
twin lagoon
yes
thorny rivet
I hope they don't only shield TCP though, like we got an UDP attack
twin lagoon
I hope they don't only shield TCP though, like we got an UDP attack
they only do tcp
urban depot
I might be developing dyslexia
twin lagoon
minecraft is tcp
thorny rivet
then you must not host a website or anything which could leak your gameserver ips though
twin lagoon
cloudflare
finite wave
thorny rivet
I wish cloudflare would work for arbitrary ports without being so web centric in fact
finite wave
gleaming rivet
avast is a virus in itself
serene bolt
that reminds me of that actual virus that exists out there called spigot, people used to google spigot and come across some random virus that predated spigotmc called " spigot"
gleaming rivet
along with avg and all of those "anti virus"
serene bolt
if you google "spigot virus" you can still see stuff about it
austere ivy
aikar's coming for everyone's money
urban depot
forgive me
gleaming rivet
the real question is why would anyone save players money in a CSV file?
finite wave
Oh my i knew spigot was bad https://blog.malwarebytes.com/detections/pup-optional-spigot/
smh
gleaming rivet
xd
serene bolt
yeah there's a ton of that across the web
urban depot
Well spigot is bad [full stop].
austere ivy
ah, look, a great article for server owners converting to paper: https://macpaw.com/how-to/remove-spigot-from-mac
serene bolt
I was actually really surprised there was some malware named spigot, I remember within like the first few months of spigotmc being online there were quite a few people who were like "isn't this the virus!!!!"
urban depot
th
finite wave
Inb4 md_5 includes mineacademy ads on startup
serene bolt
well you want to learn java and plugin development, don't you?
finite wave
i'll rather pay money to jetbrains
urban depot
I use a subdomain with a domain on godaddy for my server and this shows nothing and doesn't work..?
serene bolt
lol probably an economy plugin storing a money database, and the ransomeware detector thought paper was trying to delete / encrypt stuff
finite wave
Amazing.
serene bolt
using an AV while running a server on the same machine sounds like a wonderful performance hit
finite wave
I only run test servers on local where an av is present by default.
I don't do much on VPS'
serene bolt
I had to exclude all of WSL and my other dev folders from windows defender or else it would literally kill my CPU
serene bolt
since you're always working with fresh / unknown files, so windows defender deep scans it all the time since there's no signatures for any of it
limber knotBOT
good morning paper
serene bolt
morning chew!
finite wave
Good evening chew
olive marlin
Anyone know if the "Purpose" in paypal's donation system is significant? I wrote my short note in it, before it showed me a box to put in my proper note lol
finite wave
It is meh
unreal quarry
its significant for tax purposes
finite wave
Tax' hah
unreal quarry
i like to say "gift" in the purpose so they dont have to claim taxes on it
serene bolt
just say gift for everything, easy solution! :D
serene bolt
looks like jan's a tier 3 sub
finite wave
Hah, m8 i'm higher than tier 3
olive marlin
Yeah, I didn't remember it having the Note field so I wrote this to inject my own note in the Purpose box lol
sed -e 's#^#https://donate.emc.gs/#' -e 's/ /%20/g' <<<"My Donation Note :)"
Donating to aikar?
finite wave
ah
Look who got approved for github sponsors https://github.com/sponsors/aikar
All the paper devs should get approved for that
Weird, why did it only ask me to pay a part of the full amount when sponsoring him?
Is it because it is not the 1st or smth?
waxen panther
You pay the remainder of the month yes
Which is weird, Iโd rather have the option just to pay the full amount
finite wave
It took the full amount through paypal so i think i paid the full amount? Idk.
waxen panther
Itโs not like thereโs a reward for sponsoring anyway
My ones were just the remainder of the month
finite wave
It said i would pay 70% now or smth, but it took 100% well whatever.
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@olive marlin i'm a few millis faster at the trigger!
olive marlin
I reworded my messages for too long lol
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i also reworded it for almost too long
olive marlin
For some reason I got an email with notification of your comment.
So I posted first, but second at the same time.
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finite wave
If you reply to that you actually reply to the github issue or whatever btw.
finite wave
Gmail +1
olive marlin
BlueMail
The only at the time that could connect all my 8 or so emails I needed lol
serene bolt
I used to use bluemail like 2010 android days haha
seems the UI still hasn't changed much
olive marlin
Cause University gaves us 3 emails...
urban depot
hetzner CX31 good for 40-50 players with a lot of plugins.?
I think it is
`might be
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CX
cloud? vps? no, not at all
olive marlin
2vCPU, 8GB RAM, 80GB HDD, I think.
urban depot
^
urban depot
80GB SSD
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but yeah no
urban depot
why?
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still not dedicated cores
olive marlin
CCX11 is basically CX31 with dedicated resources.
It costs twice as much for a reason.
They expect you not to use half of what you pay most of the time.
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CCX21 at least, but at that point just getting a dedi is cheaper
urban depot
rn it's very small, whitelisted, but I've been working with my admin to prepare to become public
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40-50 players with a lot of plugins
i'm responding to the request as it was laid out: CX31 is a huge, fat no
urban depot
It's been used for at least 5 months
limber knotBOT
hi proxi uwu
mental meadow
hi proxi uwu
quasi valley
prรถxรผ stinks
limber knotBOT
hi aueora uwu
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hi knenwald, chew, and auwurowora
mental meadow
๐
limber knotBOT
'hi friends
finite wave
nty
olive marlin
Nebula, I'd probably start on a VPS in the state you are in RN. Would probably try to find a non-cloud one though.
Aim at 4 cores + 8gb ram (you should be able to give 6 to MC).
If you'll see CPU / RAM / ... become an issue, you'll hopefully have a bit bigger budget by then to jump on a dedicated server.
finite wave
limber knotBOT
ayy
olive marlin
You won't reach 40-50 players with lots of plugins on it, but you can get closer to it and hopefully earn a few $ for it.
quasi valley
8 should be well enough
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8gb should be fine, and still no vps for that i reckon
urban depot
I'll get my plugin list just to ask
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your server's an smp right?
limber knotBOT
simp server simp server
finite wave
Wtf chew you want 300 usd a month for your best tier.
urban depot
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yeah , it's an smp
urban depot
those are the current plugins
limber knotBOT
and ur well appreciated
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yeah for an smp youll want a dedi at 30-40 players
or just pay for dedicated cores and memory from someone
shared cores will probably be okay till you reach 20-30 or so if you can get a few of em
urban depot
there aren't dedis under 64GB on hetzner
quite expensive atm
I just don't want a full playerlist really quickly
olive marlin
Nebula what's your budget?
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extravm might be just fine for a while, youll see when you need to upgrade
urban depot
Currently paying ยฃ62.50
olive marlin
WTF, why is USD and EURO so damn high.