WHat we want: Discussions to finally enter open beta
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#general
mighty storm
i thought it was in 1000 years
steel pulsar
i donno i might not be around by then
waxen panther
60% of the vault is peoples .dotfiles 
cedar spade
do people star their own dotfile repos?
golden gust
people star others
especially those who spent waaaay too much time on their dotfiles
mighty storm
what are dotfiles
left swift
Small circle files
mighty storm
ah thank
steel pulsar
the dotfile is where u put the 500 lines of terminal ricing you found on some guys personal blog
cedar spade
*files that are used specifically to file things down to the shape of a small circle
steel pulsar
betwixt the 'zsh' and 'urxvt' sections
serene bolt
lol Slimefun and Tacospigot, disgusting
glad narwhal
whats slimefun?
serene bolt
a cool concept of a plugin but needs a significant rewrite, makes "modded mc" stuff in vanilla with just server side plugin
shell vine
its been worked on a lot recently
looks like they been trying to fix some of the lag issues
serene bolt
yeah I haven't looked at it at all in the past year, I fixed a bunch of bugs then kinda ditched it after finding so many performance issues
unreal quarry
last time i looked at that plugin it had many areas of the code that were indented so deep i had to horizontal scroll just to see the beginning of the lines
serene bolt
yeah..... real bad
serene bolt
player heads for everything that uses a custom texture, renaming vanilla items for those that do not
static pilot
last time i looked at that plugin it had many areas of the code that were indented so deep i had to horizontal scroll just to see the beginning of the lines
there was a thread making fun of this lol
glad narwhal
as i know mojang add custommodel data
serene bolt
yeah there's been quite a few threads on spigot making fun of the project in general lol
yeah slimefun would easily benefit from a resource pack, but it was made long before that
and there's far worse issues than just that.... so....
glad narwhal
how to mod for slimefun?
tender swift
jesus that scheduler thing
static pilot
glad narwhal
where is the texures and models?
tender swift
taskchain would be neat to that to make it atleast cleaner
steel pulsar
my man just import org.bukkit.*
serene bolt
if I remember right, on the last time I saw a spigot thread destroying the slimefun guy, the author said slimefun was one of the first things he ever programmed and it got too big / popular and it just really needed a rewrite
steel pulsar
everything in 1 class
worn ember
@steel pulsar static import org.bukkit.* 
steel pulsar
man i only just started learning java like nine days ago
serene bolt
I'll get fired from my job if I ever do a wildcard import, ktlint ensures that never happens. No wildcards allowed!
steel pulsar
import *
serene bolt
yeah
golden gust
Yea, you can configure it in the options somewhere
unkempt drift
yeah, I think I set mine to 5000 or something
golden gust
throw as many 9's as you can be assed in there
steel pulsar
is there a reason to not just wildcard
serene bolt
yes
unkempt drift
its bad
serene bolt
wildcard might look nicer, but it's not good
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) http://javadude.com/posts/20040522-import-on-demand-is-evil/ -- Import on Demand is EVIL! | JavaDude.com: "May 22, 2004 ... Import-on-demand is one such feature... And it's evil... For example: import a.b.; // your package import x.y.; // 3rd-party code..."
worn ember
oh uh
golden gust
it does
serene bolt
there are plenty of reasons you do not want to do that in many different projects
golden gust
Issue is that "just" has impacts on recompilability, not to mention "what are you actually depending on"
spice finch
How do I get "Developer Program Member"? 🤔 Badges are so fancy 😄
worn ember
does that really matter "what i'm depending on" though?
like whats the benefit of knowing that
mighty storm
what is Wall Clock what
void void
clock
hollow plaza
Well yes you don't want to put every paper version as a dependency in your maven/gradle for example
mighty storm
How do I get "Developer Program Member"? 🤔 Badges are so fancy 😄
@spice finch apply for the dev program
golden gust
See, back in the days, people used to have clocks on their walls
mighty storm
Oh interesting I think I set the threads to 4 or smth
worn ember
i still have one on my wall xD
void void
smh this generation breaks everything
left swift
You guys have walls?
spice finch
ok it was easier than i thought
mighty storm
can i just set this to 16000 and get builds done in seconds
steel pulsar
yes 🙂
worn ember
Aikar closing my issue from in April 
mighty storm
wtf my computer exploded
void void
haha
spice finch
There are so many not closed issues which already has been resolved @worn ember
linked some here
mighty storm
new discord update lets see if it's an actual update or jsut a haha funy prank
void void
man compiling paper made me realise that i need a better computer
spice finch
Changelog: Fixed typo
mighty storm
oh wow it's actually a new build
steel pulsar
discord update logs is the main problem of our society
mighty storm
discord does major feature and is like:
left swift
Added update
steel pulsar
user list made a fucky wucky on the mac build !!!! oops!!!! fixed now (i THINK!!)
void void
damn you discord
mighty storm
some builds are:
Update build number and version hash
here have a forbidden repo https://github.com/DJScias/Discord-Datamining
void void
ooh
mighty storm
attention rory (my cat) is awake thanks for attention
left swift
No problem check is in fax
steel pulsar
oh hey its djscias i know this guy
hollow plaza
What's nukkit
mighty storm
since they upload each build you get this
fallen oracle
Tux back at it again with the 
improvements.
left swift
restive crag
Hey. How can I change the "Waterfall" proxy name that is showing up after pressing F3? I've seen a couple of servers having a custom proxy name; is there a plugin for that? Asking just out of curiosity.
cunning raft
don't
mighty storm
god I wish there was a site to setup links to jenkins projects you download builds from, like a dashboard
steel pulsar
dont post ideas like that now someones making it and youll get no credit
mighty storm
it's a win win tho
if it's good, i'll use it who cares
if it's shit, ill make a better one
something like the papermc.io/download page but for any jenkins project would be hot af tho
finite wave
just get latest?
worn ember
jan
mighty storm
whats it called when a table just links 2 datasets
not bridge i dont think it's somethin else
golden gust
aggregate?
mighty storm
well like, say you have produts, users, and orders, orders is just a map of product to user maybe stuff like quantity
left swift
Kpop jan tuck
mighty storm
yeah what would you call the orders table
worn ember
x_y usually
mighty storm
i couldve swore there was a term for it
worn ember
product_user
mighty storm
what is the term for the orders table i should say
worn ember
idk
mighty storm
boutta get me a no table situation 😤
twin lagoon
mighty storm
mighty storm
left swift
twin lagoon
left swift
mighty storm
evidently that's what happens when you use 100% of your brain
maybe it's the return type?
golden gust
that'll be the mime type
mighty storm
if you go to the actual s3 link it works fine
void void
Hey is there any other way to see how much available memory I have on my vps?
contabo guys said free -h does not displays always true memory
And that is the only thing I found in google
golden gust
free is accurate
void void
i mean you don't need to be exact really
twin lagoon
contabo is fucking dogshit
golden gust
I mean, it literally gets it from the kernel
void void
so they fucking scammed me again
void void
haah
twin lagoon
you pay literally less than $20/mo for it probably
golden gust
assuming that you're not onder something like OVZ which is just stupid
twin lagoon
for the shittiest server
void void
"we guarantee you have 30G"
golden gust
Well, what does free -m show?
void void
same but in megabytes
golden gust
No fucking shit that it shows it in megabytes
void void
"we guarantee you have 30G"
@void void Runs out of memory at 26G
twin lagoon
what runs out of memory
void void
vps
golden gust
The idea was that you actually show it so that like, we can see what it says...
twin lagoon
how do you know it's running out of memory
peak dirge
contabo 
void void
and the free -h only shows 100m available
void void
26G
twin lagoon
void void
10 max
neat smelt
contabo is great
void void
explode
golden gust
gets asked to show something multiple times
neat smelt
golden gust
doesn't show it
twin lagoon
i've ran 300 player servers on 10GB what the fuck are you doing to make your shit explode
on 10GB
void void
I mean system requires 1-2G to run right?
golden gust
your OS needs ram too
peak dirge
JVM needs room
saying that the OS needs "1-2GB" isn't really enough, the OS can use memory for other purposes like caching files read from disk
mighty storm
os should have at least 10% id say
golden gust
Yea, you defo wanna err towards leaving more ram for the OS
mighty storm
and ye, 10 GB, if you give it more ram it'll ironically look worse because less compression and all that
peak dirge
@mighty storm Incorrect, the limit where compressed oops don't work is around 31-32GB
left swift
Lol
void void
Yea, you defo wanna err towards leaving more ram for the OS
@golden gust
mighty storm
CCCCCCC
void void
drop it down to 16GB and try again?
@peak dirge How could taking 12G away from a server on 12tps improve it
left swift
Just allocate 10G-16G for your server
mighty storm
if you have 12 tps with 26 gb then memory isn't the issue
left swift
By knowing how to run your server
twin lagoon
memory =/= tps
void void
ill try it
quasi valley
there's an upsidedown lang 😎
void void
contabo is horrible
@twin lagoon pin this ^
golden gust
I feel that literally every single time you ask for help, we go over the same shit each time, "reteach" you the basics, just for the next day...
Literally 2 seconds of any form of basic research would have told you that
This is why we find it comical and boring that you keep re-iterating that contabo is shit
left swift
🙏 dont need knowledge when I got paper discord 🙏
void void
golden gust
That whole massive explosion of them showing up being crap happened years ago
void void
a
golden gust
Heck, we literally watched them turn from a cheapo budget option to a shitty overpriced horrifically supported POS
peak dirge
some people suggested I host the Velocity services on Contabo
void void
a
peak dirge
I'm so glad I didn't listen to them and just paid DigitalOcean lol
twin lagoon
ok
quasi valley
I want to meet "some people" 
mighty storm
my only experience with digitalocean is reporting brute forces on my servers lol
What is phpunit? is that something like wordpress?
golden gust
I mean, contabo is the best option for having to avoid the work accociated with server outages
golden gust
it's probably their issue and so, they'll fix it when they notice their switch is on fire
mighty storm
left swift
I love the country of Tor, very beautiful there this time of year
mighty storm
welp, just add it to the list i guess
void void
I. will. buy. on. ovh
twin lagoon
an ovh vps isn't good either
void void
b r u h
mighty storm
ptsd flashbacks to one of my random privacy cards having 2 (failed) charges to ovh because it was paused
twin lagoon
they're fine
especially for people like you who don't know what the fuck they're doing
golden gust
lets host a game server on a service spec'd out for web servers
void void
1.16 kek
left swift
What's the best shared host out rn
mighty storm
see it's this kinda stuff thats sus
twin lagoon
my go to recommendations are dedicatedmc.io, slothhost's premium line & extravm
mighty storm
what do I even do, report it?
azure flower
Extremely common attack that's just trying things you are likely to have lying around. Huge number of people use wordpress and don't secure it adequately. Makes sense to try things on the offchance.
See also trying /phpmyadmin. You never know
peak dirge
see also: "google dorks"
golden gust
most hosts really don't give a shit about that stuff
twin lagoon
digitalocean does take them down
golden gust
Like, DO probs do if you can get the right info to them
twin lagoon
but you're just wasting time
void void
opinions ab soyoustart
golden gust
But, a lot of them are like china hosts which don't give a shite
twin lagoon
soyoustart is "ok"
golden gust
SYS is older hardware but "k"
twin lagoon
there's a chance you get a lemon
mighty storm
Yeah I just send the firewall logs
azure flower
The real fun begins if you do in fact have an unsecured wordpress site though. Some of the wonderful things they do include adding additional code to random php files that add ads to pages when visited by search engine bots
twin lagoon
and france
peak dirge
quite a few sites I browse block my VPN (which I have running on a little RamNode VPS)
void void
900 ping
golden gust
Canada is fine for US
twin lagoon
soyoustart has both canada & france
golden gust
900 ping
void void
latin america
twin lagoon
you'll get like 100ms max
you literally have a contabo server in germany
the fuck is your point
mighty storm
which one is you
void void
that's from yesterday
I was not online
you'll get like 100ms max
look quote without ping
mighty storm
What's wrong with quote with ping you're replying to the message since discord doesn't have threads
azure flower
The real problem is the super halfassed quote implementation
void void
it doesn't make sense in this kind of conversation
azure flower
Which pings people who were pinged in the quoted message again too
mighty storm
wha
left swift
This convo jumped like 4 topics in 2 minutes
mighty storm
Elaborate then
mighty storm
u can actually create .ping command for discord
Elaborate on this ^^ "dum"
hollow plaza
Latency of the bot?
mighty storm
What are you pinging? Yourself? This is why I need elaboration
golden gust
Well, for round trip, you'd just need to send it, wait for dumcord to send it back probs
void void
my concern is that i don't think thats possible in the vanilla discord client
mighty storm
There's no real way to ping honestly, since it usually just updates client side then server side and rarely tells the client it failed and to undo
void void
why tf do we still be talking of ping
quasi valley
join a voice channel
mighty storm
They all locked
quasi valley
mighty storm
That's the ping to the voice servers right
Not necessarily discord itself question mark?
void void
@void void elaborate what you meant
azure flower
what does "discord itself" mean at that point
mighty storm
The API servers I guess?
void void
ping as in latency
mighty storm
What about it
mighty storm
Like a discord bot that responds with pong time taken 100ms?
void void
the amount of the time it takes for the server to respond
where does it tell you that?
mighty storm
I feel like the Supreme Court trying to figure out what this man means
void void
@void void yes or no, is this being achieved using a modified discord client
just a bot
dyno
mighty storm
dieyes actually
void void
but dyno isn't on this server...
mighty storm
Not so fast
void void
pretty sure u need to configure it
the bot
another server has the command
so its possible
mighty storm
ms stands for Mississippi right
void void
yes
mighty storm
ah alright
left swift
void void
or microsex
left swift
Good meme
void void
a
mighty storm
whats micro
void void
micro
mighty storm
why did it autocorrect what's to whats
peak dirge
microshift
mighty storm
It's like evolution but backwards
void void
yæs
hollow plaza
Did Sponge originally make the mixin system?
grand pewter
i dont think so, but they use it
void void
actually i think they make the framework
the mixins introduced in java 8 look like something completely different
zealous wedge
what mixins introduced in Java 8?
but yeah, mixin is a sponge project that mumfrey made based on his existing work in liteloader
finite wave
Fabric has some nice mixins
zealous wedge
it's the same mixin project :p
finite wave
Well, it is nice.
olive marlin
Anyone else had issues with IJ/other jetbrains IDEs and the markdown plugin?
I'm always getting this, they say to install their version of JDK - but it doesn't switch to it for some reason.
void void
well theres something called mixins introduced in java 8 but its something completely different and unrelated
pastel pivot
I'm a bit confused. I thought maven requires JAVA_HOME to be set also on Linux. However I have never set it and echo $JAVA_HOME prints nothing. But maven works. Why?
upper flicker
Maven may just check $PATH looking for it as well, aware of a few programs that do it
peak dirge
Windows is anyway
true canyon
On windows with git-bash I only have PATH set with JDK in it.
pastel pivot
and maven works?
true canyon
Yes. Does not work from command prompt though, not that I'd ever use it other than testing right now to confirm it gets mad about java_home
finite wave
If you echo it it outputs nothing?
true canyon
finite wave
What about other profiles?
true canyon
Why should I care about other profiles when everything works great as I have it set up :3
pastel pivot
My goal is to figure out what really needs to be set, to describe prerequisites for a project .. And it seems to be random which variable is required even on same OS 😅
upper flicker
tell them JAVA_HOME is required then
even with maven its not consistent across operating systems
vernal moth
just a few days in and am already doing spring voodo magic https://github.com/MiniDigger/Hangar2/commit/a3199624f4b4138f3c1b3034632deb1aa8dfb84b#diff-f145b5e38120193783bd927ef8a1e99dR40
upper flicker
as I would expect however, there is code to look for javac, find it, and then use that to set JAVA_HOME
in maven
but there's also code for when it fails that'll say "hey setup java_home pls"
potent fossil
i've been victim to that specific code path before
void void
so windows really doesn't have anything like update-alternatives --config java then?
golden gust
i think that java has some magic to point to like a default home or something
windows doesn't have a package manager
There is 0 sane way to handle "alternatives"
void void
true
finite wave
Just search all drives for javac
void void
java-alternatives
upper flicker
are we talking about windows and package managers 
finite wave
chocolatey 
upper flicker
chocolatey is awful
that thing microsoft is doing is awful
any package management system that relies on existing installers and exes, its gonna suck
olive marlin
@olive marlin any repo?
@spice finch Screw it. I nuked the whole codebase again today, so there isn't much. Still not 100% liking the fundation I laid out, but at least it's better.
Can't do much ATM - apart from simple plugin download from Github releases and checking it's status.
Feedback is appreciated though!
https://github.com/Prof-Bloodstone/Mineager
mighty storm
is there any easy way to check if a string is a number other than surrounding Integer.parseInt(string) in a try/catch block
finite wave
Yeah
olive marlin
Regexp!
mighty storm
oh right regex exists
finite wave
Isn't apache commons in bukkit?
mighty storm
/^\d+$/
finite wave
IsInteger.instance().test(str)
olive marlin
Olivia, remember about negative numbers.
mighty storm
this is just general java not necessarily bukkit
olive marlin
And that they can't start with 0 🙂
finite wave
Oh, well apache commons is nice.
olive marlin
PRobably something like ^-?(0|[1-9]\d*)$
kindred storm
i would wager regex will be needlessly slower than Integer.parseInt
olive marlin
That's also true.
finite wave
Kotlin be like toIntOrNull() ?: return
mighty storm
kotlin be like Java code but ugly :(
olive marlin
olive marlin
If you have apache commons, then http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-lang/apidocs/org/apache/commons/lang3/StringUtils.html#isNumeric(java.lang.CharSequence)
If you don't - I'd create a utility method that does the parsing and catches the exception.
kindred storm
this discord goes in circles and circles. Kotlin debate, lombok argument
windows demonstrably bad
waxen panther
like literally any group of people ever?
you make it sound like it's something unique to the paper discord lol
void void
so you mean i can find these arguements at the local pub!?
waxen panther
yes sir!
void void
you must have some smart pubs then
finite wave
Hmm?
cedar spade
are we talking about windows and package managers :aPES_Shake:
Z: microsoft store
twin lagoon
why not
void void
finite wave
Cause it's a valuable resource
hollow plaza
You can make fireworks with paper
olive marlin
And paper airplanes that then can go to hangar!
left swift
Why chivitos
finite wave
Fucking hell IJ just shit itself really bad
left swift
Who got the name
void void
haha
left swift
And why
left swift
Pretty racist
upper flicker
> is the paper source available
> asks on the issue tracker attached to the paper source repo
vagrant niche
$50
upper flicker
my word
static badge
ill gib u paper src for $100
waxen panther
tunity src for $1?
upper flicker
sec spotted
static badge
wat
finite wave
I'll sell you a paper fork without the sand duping and tnt duping patch fpr 750 usd
static badge
now that's a steal
serene bolt
i need 1.8 support in the latest paper
static badge
need beta 1.7
upper flicker
@static badge src pls
finite wave
Oh no imma die
upper flicker
lol
static badge
where 100
upper flicker
minecraft/our mod
finite wave
This is vanilla launch xD
upper flicker
@static badge 1NY69576BD406372B
static badge
what's that
finite wave
Oh, no i was too lazy to open the actual launcher so i opened techniclauncher which is ancient
upper flicker
ye technic would bitch
finite wave
The new gamemode switch gui was purely clientside right?
upper flicker
yes
static badge
ok lemme get that src
serene bolt
Z have you checked out sodium client mod yet? it's pretty insane
serene bolt
the old days 
potent fossil
beta 1.8 days are the ancient days i guess
serene bolt
the survival update, hunger 
static badge
have you seen beta 1.7 code though
upper flicker
1.7.3 beta best version, you will never convince me otherwise
static badge
look at the code
potent fossil
nope, i haven't seen any code from those versions. beta 1.8 is just the last version I actually "played" beyond just testing things
upper flicker
no thanks, dont want to ruin my love
serene bolt
back when mojang didn't use streams
upper flicker
bet you the chunk system ran better though 
static badge
maybe I'll zip canyon src in here for you
worn ember
Hai Z, havent seen you in a while 👀
static badge
microsoft
static badge
big text for big repos
unkempt drift
new feature
cosmic raft
hm?
unkempt drift
its like leaf said
they are making bigger, more important repos have bigger font sizes
hollow plaza
monkeys
pulsar wigeon
fierce kestrel
How does Minecraft process command arguments?
Does it just split them by a space or is it more complicated?
minor badge
both
cosmic raft
more complicated than just that
fierce kestrel
Can you explain a bit more?
waxen panther
yes
static badge
how many papers do we need to read to understand it
cosmic raft
none
static badge
that was a joke
void void
overengineering 101
cosmic raft
brigadier isn't overengineered
it does what it needs to, nothing more really
@static badge now, DFU on the other hand
read these:
Point-free Program Transformation: https://haslab.uminho.pt/alcino/files/pfpt.pdf
The essence of strategic programming: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8643/73ffcee27467876b1030ee347b3c2e625756.pdf
Algebraic Specialization of Generic Functions for Recursive Types: https://haslab.uminho.pt/alcino/files/msfp08.pdf
Generic Programming with Fixed Points for Mutually Recursive Datatypes: http://users.eecs.northwestern.edu/~clk800/rand-test-study/_gpwfpfmrd/gpwfpfmrd-2009-10-8-12-02-00.pdf
A Formal Comparison of Approaches to Datatype-Generic Programming: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1202.2920.pdf
Profunctor Optics: Modular Data Accessors: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.10857.pdf
Generic Point-free Lenses: https://haslab.uminho.pt/alcino/files/mpc10.pdf
Type-safe Two-level Data Transformation: http://www4.di.uminho.pt/~joost/publications/TypesafeTwolevelDataTransformation.pdf
Transformation of structure-shy programs with application to XPath queries and strategic functions https://haslab.uminho.pt/alcino/files/scp.pdf
Calculating with Lenses: Optimising Bidirectional Transformations: https://haslab.uminho.pt/alcino/files/pepm11.pdf
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
It defaults to splitting by space but lets the commands override it to do more complicated things, iirc
magic river
DFU isn't that bad. The explanation for it is more complicated than just digging in and looking at the existing code to figure it out
Although there are a lot of indirections so it can take a bit to figure out what is available
static badge
pretty sure its performance is comparable to chunk gen
magic river
First thing it does is check the version though so usually it doesn't really do anything, right?
static badge
yeah it only runs through if the chunk version is less-than current
magic river
So who cares how long it takes, it happens once 😉
static badge
mojang runs that shit on the main thread
worn ember
slaps main thread
this boy can fit 500 streams in it
mighty storm
insert joke about stream and streaming platforms im not witty enough to make
why's it so massive wtf
unkempt drift
I think you can pay github to make yours bigger 🙂
finite wave
Oh shit they are into plastic surgery now?
worn ember
ah yes
worn ember
i dont need it bigger tho
waxen panther
worn ember
bruh ai domains are expensive as fuck
worn ember
how much
waxen panther
my old domain was £10 a year this one is £50
round sleet
jeez
worn ember
worn ember
buy me some domains too kappa
potent fossil
CF did that to me the other day too
It was bc I left it on the 2fa screen for too long
They really should have a timeout in the UI for that
But, w/e
waxen panther
their login sucks yeah, the 'keep me logged in' keeps you logged in for like 10 minutes too
worn ember
simps have no rights
waxen panther
the rest of their ui is p nice though
worn ember
waxen panther
dafuq is that
waxen panther
unkempt drift
yeah, seedhunt is NUTS
worn ember
their distribution system is pretty cool too
unkempt drift
3.8 million seeds/sec
fluxuates depending on how many people are running the program
unkempt drift
lol, 3 seeds with 13 witch huts
worn ember
unkempt drift
I forget the radius.. 2k blocks?
ashen cliff
I assume it only uses the CPU?
mighty storm
@waxen panther what site
ashen cliff
Sad.
mighty storm
no no, where you were trying to buy
waxen panther
oh no, I've already bought it from namecheap. I just wanted to transfer it to CF/ Google domains
idrc that much though, just a bit more setup
waxen panther
I think it's actually a country tld
waxen panther
lol
mighty storm
like Tuvalu did with .tv
waxen panther
minecraft capital of the world
mighty storm
but no
ashen cliff
Daily .zip TLD hate.
unkempt drift
tuvalu didn't sell it, iirc they still get money from it
mighty storm
there's occasionally catches, like .us you have to have valid US address in the whois, .ca same thing, etc
they do get money from it, fromt hat 3rd party service
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34gHoxqZlJc is where i saw it
worn ember
hetzner is failing to draw my graphs cuz theres no CPU time free xD
unkempt drift
lol
mighty storm
see google also owns .meme
worn ember
you know what i find funny? How home desktops are usually more powerful than servers these days
unless you go like super high end
mighty storm
they need to with all the bloatware especially on windows
I love the giant flex like with amazon and google with their .google and .aws tlds
mighty storm
i dont like either but i still use them
peak dirge
I do need a powerful desktop because of this crap
My purchase of a Ryzen 9 3900X is already paying me major dividends
waxen panther
yes words
mighty storm
ok on htop what do the colors mean for ram
like half green, some blue, half yellow, says usage is only half tho
peak dirge
Green seems to indicate memory in use, blue seems to indicate shared(?) memory, yellow is cached files
mighty storm
ah
peak dirge
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 32115 15051 3018 567 14046 16048
Swap: 16123 14 16109
indigo fossil
hey, not sure if this is the right place to ask, but i have a friend running a server off his pc. is it possible for him to give me ftp access to the server?
kindred storm
yes
peak dirge
@cosmic raft of course
indigo fossil
how hard would it be to setup, and if so is there a tutorial on it, @kindred storm
kindred storm
I don't know what you consider hard or not hard
you just need to setup a ftp server
indigo fossil
to a beginner, would that be challenging?
kindred storm
beginner at what?
if you are running linux it's not hard imo
apt-get install vsftpd
some configuration, done
indigo fossil
just, running a server in general. we've only ever done it for a simple vanilla server to play on. he's on win 10
kindred storm
oh, I see
well I have no idea about Windows
if you have OpenSSH setup then sftp probably is already there
peak dirge
Windows server
indigo fossil
it's just a simple private thing. we wanted to mess around with plugins
kindred storm
yeah, running a minecraft server on windows is generally frowned upon
quakiy probably doesn't know the difference
indigo fossil
nah i don'
kindred storm
as far as you'll be concerned, Quakiy, SFTP is just like FTP and you can transfer files the same way, except it's more secure and works over a different protocol
peak dirge
This is a TempleOS circlejerk Discord @spare venture
indigo fossil
alright well, ty for the help you all have given
i'll see what i can find on google
kindred storm
your goal is probably going to be installing OpenSSH/openssh-sftp-server (the latter usually comes with the former)
mighty storm
templeos is great
kindred storm
and of course granting credentials to that
waxen panther
gods third temple 🙏
peak dirge
ugh
kindred storm
it takes a long time to build netty
peak dirge
and the sad part is that the fucking SSL tests fail
cosmic raft
heh
peak dirge
Netty IRC channel is ded
peak dirge
nah
they do answer questions on StackOverflow, but alas
I guess it's time to fire off tweets or something
Norman is super-active on Twitter.
For now I'm just skipping tests
[exec] src/main/c/netty_unix_jni.h:19:10: fatal error: jni.h: No such file or directory
-_-
[INFO] executing: /bin/sh -c ./configure --disable-ccache --prefix=/home/andrew/Projects/checkouts/netty/transport-native-epoll/target/native-build/target 'LDFLAGS=-L/home/andrew/Projects/checkouts/netty/transport-native-epoll/target/unix-common-lib/META-INF/native/lib -Wl,--no-as-needed -lrt -Wl,--whole-archive -lnetty-unix-common -Wl,--no-whole-archive' 'CFLAGS=-O3 -Werror -fno-omit-frame-pointer -Wunused-variable -fvisibility=hidden -I/home/andrew/Projects/checkouts/netty/transport-native-epoll/target/unix-common-lib/META-INF/native/include' --libdir=/home/andrew/Projects/checkouts/netty/transport-native-epoll/target/native-build/target/lib
[INFO] configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --disable-ccache
[INFO] configure: error: cannot find install-sh, install.sh, or shtool in autotools "."/autotools
[INFO] rc: 1
sftp is a part of the Windows 10 built in OpenSSH Server
peak dirge
I didn't have libtool installed. I installed it but it probably won't make a difference
limber knotBOT
Pretty sure anyway, if not just use scp
peak dirge
installed more packages...
true canyon
I don't see a problem here.
tired heath
thorny totem
mighty storm
Productive isn't playing video games? Who knew
Also I stole my cat and brought her into my room but she just walked out
smh
tired heath
🙀 
peak dirge
Yeah it did not work kek
mighty storm
peak dirge
Time to look into it tomorrow
mental meadow
Some people really have no respect
ddos at 4 in the morning I just want to sleep smh
serene bolt
the worst time
mental meadow
But pretty effective, robbing me of sleep effectively dos'ing me
astral portal
I was about to ask for support about how my world border wasn't changing and while I was typing I was like, "Let me double check my max-size setting in server.properties" and fuckin' a if it's not set to 10000 lmao.
I am beginning to regret letting my circle of friends convince me to run this lmao.
potent fossil
Set brain to critical thinking mode
astral portal
this being any minecraft server not paper in particular.
hollow plaza
I would say choose python or java and try making simple programs by looking up tutorials, documentation, and examples online
mental meadow
this is kinda a stupid question, but i know nothing about programming and i want to try, where should i start?
@void void I think there are a few good websites? I think I tried codecadamy once and was pretty impressed by it
potent fossil
@void void if you want to learn and you know nothing, please don't start with Minecraft because you will have a bad time and cry yourself to sleep
I'm a codecademy mod, it's shit don't use
mental meadow
xD
potent fossil
mental meadow
It was years ago
hollow plaza
I just used stackoverflow
mental meadow
Good start
potent fossil
Yeah, just...avoid.
It is
It's terrible
God knows why some of us are here
We hate it
mental meadow
Masochism?
potent fossil
Must be
I recommend learning web dev, though, honestly. Everyone wants web dev done. If not, big companies want C# or VB
JavaScript
mental meadow
C# and Python Abs everyone wants you
worn ember
Speak for yourself. I love this mess
mental meadow
*and
potent fossil
Oh, and when I say web dev, I mean the frontend
So, JS
Backend web dev...eh
Anything, literally
Most commonly JS or Python
Java is popular, so is C#
hollow plaza
uh oh Django
mental meadow
I wouldn't start with JS tho tbh
potent fossil
looks like you have an urgent message
worn ember
Js will make you never want to program again lol
mental meadow
Start with something like Java or C# to get a basic grasp on things
void void
frijoles
potent fossil
JS is fine, but if you're learning it might be confusing because of the weird behavior and lack of static types
worn ember
Maybe they're into dynamic
potent fossil
Either that, or it'll make great sense then when you try to do anything with static types you'll be confused
worn ember
Kappa
hollow plaza
I used js and it seemed sort of similar to python
mental meadow
I hate Python
potent fossil
go to bad pepper jail
hollow plaza
aw
mental meadow
I can't live without my ;
worn ember
Idc about python tbh
hollow plaza
I only used the most basic js so that's probably why it seemed similar
potent fossil
python is a good learners language, if you need to familiarize yourself with programming
do that
worn ember
Just pick whatever seems to interest you. It really doesn't matter
hollow plaza
I say python
potent fossil
freecodecamp teaches HTML/CSS and then JS. It's really nice, tbh. But Python is a fine starting point too, you'll just need to find a different resource.
worn ember
mental meadow
Just whatever you do, never ever look at something starting with a C that isn't C#
worn ember
Holy C
worn ember
Clap
potent fossil
Objective C isn't used anymore
worn ember
Very nice description
worn ember
That's swift now yeah
potent fossil
I mean
hollow plaza
Isn't C++ technically objective since it has classes
worn ember
Visual basic or riot
potent fossil
That was his goal
hollow plaza
Visual studio code is great
mental meadow
Yeah
worn ember
Depends what ur doing really
hollow plaza
Except I couldn't figure out how compile C++ on it lol so instead I use visual studio for that
worn ember
There might be better tools for the job for some langs
mental meadow
Like for python I'd use pycharm or something like that
And for Java Netbeans or IntelliJ
worn ember
I started with html and css. Then Js and php. Then c# and then java lol
mental meadow
I learned Delphi in school :D
hollow plaza
There are also online compilers like repl.it which support a ton of languages but the tools aren't great. It's an option if you need to run a quick test maybe
lament patio
First thing I worked with as kid was with Visual Basic .NET, lol
potent fossil
But anyway, if you ever plan to go join a company, learn .NET lol
worn ember
And watching a progress bar fill on a timer
lament patio
From there I was able to learn C# .NET which was a bit more useful
potent fossil
I got told off by the company's principal infra architect that I was wrong for using Java and not C#
Like, unironically
He just told me I was wrong
cosmic raft
lament patio
Some programming languages are just ... wrong /s
worn ember
Plz delete that
potent fossil
Nope, by doing that you are in fact miles ahead of even some people in this chat
Some people can't even do it without a GUI
Fuckin noobs
worn ember
Shut up. GUI is superior
potent fossil
I knew it
worn ember
Lmfao
hollow plaza
gui doesn't support force push
worn ember
Cli simp
hollow plaza
Unless I just didn't find it lol
potent fossil
Because force pushing is an advanced decision you make and should be restricted to CLI
It's not something you just do
worn ember
I use the cli when I need it. That's about it
potent fossil
I already do that
Exactly what it sounds like
You push, and whatever your local state is, gets pushed and overwritten on the remote.
You can "change history" with it
Which is sometimes useful, a lot of the time dangerous
hollow plaza
worn ember
It's like shoving a pie down someone's throat after he suffocates
potent fossil
Like, if you accidentally commit private username and password, you'll rollback your local, change it, then force push the previous commit so the remote has no idea it ever had private creds pushed to it
That's when it's useful
worn ember
Or when you fuck up git
hollow plaza
you rollback using reset HEAD^ right
worn ember
And you're done with its shit and just force push
potent fossil
nah, just rebase to the previous, modify the code, and then check back out to HEAD
and push the whole thing with force
and it overwrites history
reset will delete the changes and make you rewrite the whole thing
yes
you can rebase as many times and as far as you want
yes
hollow plaza
I am still quite noob at git so I don't quite know what rebase or checkout means
worn ember
Even I haven't managed to do that yet
potent fossil
i mean, it can be fixed by restoring the local state but nuking your remote is pretty indicative of "i have no fucking idea what im doing"
worn ember
Glad I learned git in class
mighty storm
git learn git not hard
hollow plaza
I commited to the master branch of a fork which bad
worn ember
Or well some of it
I always push to dev and then merge to master. Or make a new branch for features
static badge
main
mighty storm
oh you didnt see the article?
serene bolt
yeah that's a term that's never going to die regardless of what github does, imagine actually thinking changing that term does any greater good to any of the issues with equality in the world 
static badge
actually helping the world
mighty storm
1 month ago
i mena i dont even see discussions yet
if they implement that before releasing discussions im finna throw hands
potent fossil
I mean
GitHub can change it all they want
I don't make my repos on GH
Git itself needs to change
So regardless of what they do, the vast majority of repos will still have a master branch.
cunning raft
Changing the word will solve the problem 
cosmic raft
I mean, personally
I don't care what the default branch name is on a repository
some are master, some are default, some are main, some are stable
all it is, is the default name
people can change it back to master if they want consistency
not like "heya, master is now a disallowed branch name"
potent fossil
thats what i mean
im not going to go out of my way to change the default branch name git gives me
if git doesn't change, neither will my repos
that's just how its gonna be
mighty storm
bruh you know a tweet gonna be good when you see something controversial with like 400 replies
potent fossil
lol
hallow swallow
Anyone knows what can cause fishing rod not launch itself?
serene bolt
do you use the plugin TAB? because I've seen 2 people say it has caused that
hallow swallow
idk i use TABreborn
potent fossil
why does it touch all those packets
hallow swallow
yeah no logic and i use tabreborn 2years
potent fossil
im talking to pure, not you
hallow swallow
i am not talking to you too
potent fossil
but now to you: its probably TAB
im talking to pure, not you
that sounded rude, i wasnt trying to be lawl
serene bolt
yeah.... that plugin is super hacky, no idea
hollow plaza
what does it do
hollow plaza
oh ok
serene bolt
pretty sure most people use it for its super ultra long name support and multiple tags etc
because tbh I know of better plugins for the actual custom tab functionality, but this one seems to do everything in one.. so
yeah even barty had the same problem, so GG
static pilot
what is purpur
potent fossil
Billy's fork
restive falcon
someone dm me there server that uses papermc 1.16.1
potent fossil
Join its discord to ask questions about it
static pilot
nah no questions
just saw the tab plugin linked above also mentioned it as a paper derivative
potent fossil
yep it is, he adds mob riding and some other stuff
restive falcon
someone dm me there server that uses papermc 1.16.1
potent fossil
stop spamming
static pilot
ok cool
potent fossil
I highly doubt anyone's going to PM you anything, but you only need to say it once in any case @restive falcon
potent fossil
Go search the server list sites
static pilot
run one locally
potent fossil
^
static pilot
not as long as you’re gonna wait for someone to pm you
potent fossil
Takes less time than sitting here and asking someone to DM you
static pilot
you can set one up on your computer
restive falcon
making a server takes a long time
hollow plaza
server for what?
restive falcon
and also im not allowed to port forward
serene bolt
you don't have to locally
static pilot
takes 5m at max
restive falcon
k then u make one and il join u
serene bolt
lol
static pilot
create server folder, write eula=true in eula.txt, download paper jar, run paper jar in server folder
lmao
good luck
restive falcon
wdym
potent fossil
o.o
serene bolt
go play on aikars server and enjoy
potent fossil
yea, that's good nuff i guess
restive falcon
ok thanks
potent fossil
lol