general

[twin lagoon]

i'm not against NCP or anything

[serene bolt]

there are updated forks, of questionable quality

[twin lagoon]

but why would I get NCP that's worse than alternative proprietary solutions

server owners don't care if it's opensource or not

they just want proper checks to prevent hacking w/ as less false positives & as effective as possible

[limber knot]

Updated-NCP gets updated, lmao

[void void]

it's just not as good

[limber knot]

why use paid, prorpeitary solutions that gadly crash and delete your server if you can have a free, open source one which is good enough for all normal survival minecraft servers?

[void void]

well good enough, maybe. but not the best

[limber knot]

you don't need the best if you just want to mine and build your house...

[void void]

wat

lies!

[limber knot]

or, you know: "Mine and craft"

[twin lagoon]

why use paid, prorpeitary solutions that gadly crash and delete your serve

except it won't

[void void]

i get annoyed when i have to mine or craft

[twin lagoon]

if you can have a free, open source one which is good enough for all normal survival minecraft servers?

[limber knot]

M​ic​ha​el​: some did in the past

[twin lagoon]

for normal survival servers NCP or AAC is fine yes

i mean that's the risk you take with anything lol

even opensource projects can contain such things

[vernal moth]

brace yourself, am making the water pink now

[limber knot]

not if it's your code

[twin lagoon]

server owners aren't developers (most of the time)

[void void]

well not everyone wants to make their own anticheat, their own plugins and all that

[twin lagoon]

^

also

"fog_color": 3344392,
"water_color": 4159204,
"water_fog_color": 329011

[vernal moth]

ye

[twin lagoon]

custom fog & water colors

[vernal moth]

thats what I was refering to

sky color too

[limber knot]

N​ir​va​na​: you own open source code

that's my point ;)

[void void]

sad truth is that the open source solutions are not as good

[twin lagoon]

^

as much as i like opensource solutions and will prefer them when possible

[void void]

if you wanna change that, be my guest haha

[twin lagoon]

you'll have to rely on proprietary stuff for a lot of things

[limber knot]

NCP works without issues for me

[twin lagoon]

if you own a small survival server and can program plugins

[limber knot]

so no idea what you are referring to, lmao

[twin lagoon]

then well, easy to say that

[limber knot]

(and it has been for the last 10 years)

[twin lagoon]

if you focus on combat though

NCP is nothing

[olive marlin]

Imagine if everything was open source...

[limber knot]

well combat is a broken concept to begin with anyways

[void void]

so?

[limber knot]

Minecraft is for mining and crafting ;)

you can't fix combat without doing something like Badlion tbh

or like any other PVP game: client side malware to check for cheats lol

[void void]

that reminds me, i wanna mess around with badlion

[twin lagoon]

client side anticheats are more sketchy than proprietary server side anticheats

lol

[limber knot]

yes

it's fucking disgusting

[twin lagoon]

it really is

[limber knot]

cheat-able PVP is a dumb game concept

and I don't support it lol

[mighty storm]

hmm

[void void]

well its hard to make it un-cheat-able

[limber knot]

people should play more games where you can't cheat

e.g. Rocket League is pretty hard to cheat

there's literally a semi-official competion regarding writing the best bot and they don't come close to a real player xD

[void void]

yeah pvp bots are really bad

[limber knot]

and cheating beyond what a player can do in a game where the server simulates all the physics is pretty hard to do

[void void]

you can automate everything apart from movement

[limber knot]

and rocket league is all about movement ;D

[void void]

i think people are still trying to make baritone bots to pvp

they're rubbish

[magic river]

iirc you can do custom sky colors by overflowing the rain float

Like, the server actually spams packets at the client to make the sky gradually darken when you enter a rainy area but while that value is supposed to be a float 0..1 you can send larger values that make it do interesting things

[twin lagoon]

@vernal moth can you check if you can do custom leaves / grass colouring?

i'm going through the vanilla worldgen files and i'm not seeing anything related to it

[vernal moth]

I closed everything

[twin lagoon]

[vernal moth]

not playing with that today

ill wait for limes tutorials

hangar has priority 😂

[magic river]

The current darkness value. 1 = Dark, 0 = Bright, Setting the value higher causes the game to change color and freeze

Welp, either that wiki is out of date or something changed and my information is, I was under the impression the client handled this mostly okay

[red imp]

Hi, which spawners shouldn't you give players access to?

[hazy veldt]

Ender Dragons could be a bad idea

[left swift]

None

[quasi valley]

return new BlockChangeRecord1_16_2(position >>> 8 & 0xF, position & 0xF, position >>> 4 & 0xF, (int) (data >>> 12));

[minor badge]

thank kneniteevee

[vernal moth]

lol

the same guy who delievered my groceries from hello fresh 3 hours ago

also just delivered some other shit

[vagrant niche]

I love chicken nuggets

[limber knot]

Same

[slim nymph]

why does trump want people to die 😦 ffs, this hard attack on trying to kill students is so appalling

i swear hes got a damn bet going on how fucking insane he can be before theirs a coup

[limber knot]

Oh, you saw the post+

[vernal moth]

what did he do now?

[slim nymph]

going to withdraw funding from schools who dont send students back to in person classes

[void void]

fuck him

[slim nymph]

and making students here on visas leave the US if they dont go to in person classes

[zealous wedge]

is this abt the international students who go to online school can't stay in the US Thi g?

ah ya

[slim nymph]

2 things now, even US students being threatened

[vagrant niche]

trmp doesn't care about anyone but trump

[zealous wedge]

fuck that

[serene bolt]

just wait until election when we get to experience 4 more years of him

[finite wave]

I saw this

[vagrant niche]

sooner you accept that sooner yo wont give a fuck

less stress for you

[vernal moth]

even here in germany not all schools are open

and all unis are online only

[zealous wedge]

lax we knew that in 2016

[minor badge]

norway's forcing all schools to plan for both (partially) in-person and online-only the entire next semester

[vernal moth]

and we have the situation under control much better than the us, lol

[vagrant niche]

ye, no point in putting logic to anything he does

[zealous wedge]

nobody's trying to improve him

[finite wave]

We are partly opened

[zealous wedge]

just get rid of him

[vagrant niche]

just eat your nuggets and vote

ez

[limber knot]

Go do it yourself karen

[vagrant niche]

I'm voting for Kanye, fk off

[zealous wedge]

but yeah here in BC all of postsecondary is online-only in the fall

[slim nymph]

i dont know why the miltary hasnt just removed him yet

[serene bolt]

trump is going to get reelected I already know it, it's inevitable

[zealous wedge]

and planning for maybe being online in the spring

[vagrant niche]

Kanye/Elon 2020

[zealous wedge]

the optics of that would be bad aikar

[slim nymph]

better than the alternative

[limber knot]

Military state

[zealous wedge]

looks like a military coup

[limber knot]

Woop woop

[unkempt drift]

no way the military would ever do something like that

[slim nymph]

I use to think Pence was scarier than trump, but ill take him over trump now and just provide refuge to gay people at my house

[limber knot]

Unless he is refusing to vacate office after the proper procedures.

[zealous wedge]

I mean ya tbh at this point the us needs to do something vastly different and I'll take anyone who will just try something

[unkempt drift]

ya, I mean the whole "what if trump just stays in office" is stupid. at noon on Jan 20, if someone else was elected, he won't be president anymore, he'll just be some guy trespassing

[vagrant niche]

an incompetent corrupt politician is better than a competent corrupt politician

keep trump

[slim nymph]

not if he declares martial law and cancels election

[zealous wedge]

lol no

I mean it seems like local authorities are using the pandemic to limit elections

[slim nymph]

yeah his people

[zealous wedge]

rather than just vote by mail

[limber knot]

Doesn't he himself vote by mail?

[slim nymph]

his people are the ones who want to get out and share corona

so if they stop remote voting, only trumpers vote in mass

[unreal quarry]

i hope the elections dont get cancelled. i'm totally voting for trump again. ^_^

[vagrant niche]

Thank billy

[slim nymph]

_>

[limber knot]

Billy is insane

No need to worry about him

[zealous wedge]

whoo I love contributing to the deaths of thousands too

[unkempt drift]

isn't there a utilitarian argument that at some point, the cost of more people getting the virus and dying is outweighed by the economic impacts of staying closed?

like its unreasonable to say, we need to take all measures so not a single person gets the virus

[zealous wedge]

not really, money is just an idea

[limber knot]

^^

Money is only a thing as long as we believe in it

[zealous wedge]

and anyways the us has a lot of money floating around

[unkempt drift]

well as long as my grocery store "believes" in it, I will need some of it

[minor badge]

i've ordered some facemasks from a local store, will be pretty ebic

[zealous wedge]

that's why you have a government that gives out money

[slim nymph]

If trump is "removed" in any fashion, totally throwing a party and marking that a national holiday.

[void void]

same and i'm in the UK

still happy

[zealous wedge]

everyone who lost work up here just gets $2k a month

[unkempt drift]

yeah, apparently the U.S. gov just has "unlimited" money for that...

how many trillion is the U.S. in debt now?

26.5

[slim nymph]

trumps doing such great work on that debt too /s

[unkempt drift]

yeah, conservatives don't care about that either anymore

[void void]

yeah he raised it by about 2 trillion

[unkempt drift]

its like Rand Paul, and that's it

[zealous wedge]

again, money is an imaginary concept

[void void]

man US only had no national debt in 1835

[unkempt drift]

so what? it exists. you aren't gonna just make money go away

[zealous wedge]

people dying and having life-altering side effects is real

[left swift]

Yeezy for prezz

[unkempt drift]

money isn't imaginary if im a single mother with 2 kids and no job

I can't just "imagine" food and it appears.

[zealous wedge]

how much is your life worth machine

[unkempt drift]

there is a number

[zealous wedge]

I'd like a dollar amount

[unkempt drift]

idk what it is

that isn't up to me

not really up to the gov either

cause there is opportunity costs that are unknown

but gov's have to think in abstractions

[slim nymph]

FY 2021 - $1.177 trillion projected in budget
FY 2020 - $1.181 trillion projected in budget
FY 2019 - $1.203 trillion
FY 2018 - $1.271 trillion
Barack Obama: Added $8.588 trillion, a 74% increase from the $11.657 trillion debt at the end of Bush’s last budget, FY 2009.```

One president had to recover the nation from a financial crisis. the other one had these numbers planned with no expectation of a crisis with a booming recovering economy.

[unkempt drift]

they can't go to each person and calculate their life worth. they have to make a calculation, do we let 2 more people get the coronavirus so that 5 families can feed children?

Trump (and all politicians) say LOADS of shit that they don't do anything about 😆

[left swift]

Seems like putting a price on a life to me

[zealous wedge]

you know some things you judt have to spend the money and figure out how to pay for it later

[left swift]

2 more people turn to 10 more turn to 100 more turn to 1000 more

[zealous wedge]

the national debt can handle a few trillion more easily

[unreal quarry]

Jokes aside. Here's my honest take on Trump. (I'm not insane, I promise)

[slim nymph]

an economyh anded to him by Obama

[zealous wedge]

is that "because of trump"

[unkempt drift]

does it matter? it kept getting better

[zealous wedge]

or just where your life and the economy was already headed

[waxen panther]

[left swift]

They diverted funds from other government programs to build the wall with an exec order

[zealous wedge]

we aren't going to know the full impact of trumps policies until a decade or so after he's out of office, but there are a lot of bad signs

[left swift]

Bypassing any Congress deals lol

[waxen panther]

I’m sure a religious rapper will fix all the mess don’t worry boys

[void void]

wat

[waxen panther]

Kanye

[left swift]

Says something when an admin has done so much dogshit that you can only remember the most recent dogshit and not the stinker dogshit that's been on the floor for months

[golden gust]

The thing with trump, is that sure, hes done some stuff which helped some people, but, on the other side of it, he's a douche

[unkempt drift]

yeah he is

[left swift]

He's done and doing alot more that's hurting more than he's helped imo

[minor badge]

something something anti-lgbt, racist, prick something something

[golden gust]

Hey, proxi

fuck off

You're missing like.. all the other letters

[pulsar wigeon]

billy, can you outline what exactly trump did that allowed you to get a new job?

[minor badge]

:(

[high gate]

All I can say about american politics is that I'm glad not to be an american 😆

[pulsar wigeon]

since that entire thing seems to be a personal anecdote rather than a view on his policy

[golden gust]

I mean, I used to be able to say the same

[left swift]

Billy giving someone else his credit for his successes

[golden gust]

But, like, I'm a brit

[waxen panther]

I’d say that but Britain’s politics isn’t much better

Yeah lmao

[minor badge]

luckily i can because altho norwegian politics are bad, it isnt usa or britain bad

[left swift]

I say we double down on the path we're heading and hire a tv crew to follow politicians around and call it Capitol Shore and have them go to bars and start fights with the locale

[finite wave]

Go Scandinavia

[zealous wedge]

literally Canada's thing is that it's the us but just a bit less bad

[minor badge]

id rather go to canada than the us so you did well

[twin lagoon]

hi proxi

[left swift]

Canada is mini us but with more French people

[minor badge]

hi michael

[zealous wedge]

hey the us sets the bar nice and low

[finite wave]

I mean yes

Reddit is such a treasuretrove of karens

[void void]

10/10 response

[waxen panther]

Ah yes

Face ok

[left swift]

Karen's just look for easy Facebook content

[waxen panther]

Book*

[left swift]

"Debra look my last post about not wearing masks got 10 shares! Let's dress up with face paint and quote a movie next time!"

[minor badge]

pretty fuckin easy to understand

[void void]

hahaha

[left swift]

But what if

They just wore pants below their dicks

[waxen panther]

I don’t want to pee on myself

Jeez

[finite wave]

Me neither

[left swift]

That way they can breathe still but still be looking like they're doing something

[finite wave]

Rather pee on another due

[minor badge]

well

[finite wave]

Soggy pants very bad

[waxen panther]

Fr

[minor badge]

would u rather another dude pee on u

or themselves

[void void]

you guys are weird

[waxen panther]

Just dodge

[finite wave]

Well if they try i’d punch them in their heads

Liek wrf

[left swift]

You would probably start crying if someone started peeing on you jan

[minor badge]

please dont become a karen who cant wear a facemask for 20 minutes

[sick tendon]

not looking forward to wearing a mask all semester

that's gonna suck

[unreal quarry]

What if the person peeing is a female?

runs away

[minor badge]

me neither, but i know that if i wear a mask, i'm doing the same as a possibly sick fellow student

[left swift]

Would be even weirder if a girl could pee on me from 6 ft away

[sick tendon]

hopefully classes are spaced out and i can take it off when i get to my seat

[void void]

you guys are very weird

[still cape]

the convos here one can walk into

[sick tendon]

otherwise my beard is gonna have to come off :/

far too itchy

[serene bolt]

lots of in here

[left swift]

[void void]

?

[finite wave]

She got billy?

[sick tendon]

ugh that reminds me i need to buy a nicer mask

i hate the disposable ones

[finite wave]

Also a lot of us don’t wear masks her in denmark

Here*

[golden gust]

just remove yourself

[sick tendon]

might just drop out instead of wearing a mask

that's rational, right?

[golden gust]

don't wear one here either, but, furthest I go is downstairs

[waxen panther]

No one wears masks here lol

Haven’t seen a single mask

[void void]

i've seen some masks

[finite wave]

I’ve seen asian people with masks

[golden gust]

Well, gov basically ran back and forth on if masks even do anything

and, lol

[waxen panther]

Yea gov is brain dead

[golden gust]

I live in liverpool, so we have all the chinese students, etc

[waxen panther]

They said they don’t do anything

[golden gust]

It's pretty weird to see an asian student without a mask, ngl

[sick tendon]

my college has lots of korean students

[vagrant niche]

omg y cant i watch mini's stream

[void void]

go into waiting room

[vagrant niche]

wat

[sick tendon]

waiting-room

[void void]

this thing

haha

who played with lax

[vagrant niche]

I'm on the forbidden channel :D

[golden gust]

you have no proof

[warm anchor]

Mask is part of live in Japan already before all this

[void void]

damn

[warm anchor]

Very common and they’ve incorporated it into some pop fashion

[sick tendon]

honestly, masks should've been a thing if you have to go out sick a long time ago

[waxen panther]

Eternity omega cute

[golden gust]

I mean, if you're sick, stay the fuck in

[waxen panther]

[sick tendon]

i hope some positive changes comes out of all of this; more sick days, and normalizing masks if you HAVE to go out

[vagrant niche]

jesus, can you not use an ultra super wide 4k 144hz monitor mini

We can't read shit

[golden gust]

part of the reason I've not streamed yet is coz of my screen size

[sick tendon]

what's stupid is if you work certain low-wage jobs, you can call in sick and the manager can tell you "nah we need you come in" and you have to go to work sick

[golden gust]

5k baby

[vernal moth]

its not 144hz and its not 4k either

[left swift]

How dare u make me join a waiting room, ur oppressing my freedoms! I work in 500 degree weather with a nail in each one of my toenails and tight pants! I couldn't even breathe in that waiting room!@

[vernal moth]

3440x1440

[golden gust]

but, can't actually use it at 5k cos fuck tryna read on that

[vagrant niche]

ye, put magnifying glass on mini so we can read

[unreal quarry]

buys 4k monitor
bumps dpi to 2 just to see

[vagrant niche]

oh jesus

[vernal moth]

u happy lax?

[vagrant niche]

I was joking, pls put back

[left swift]

Fight the power mini

[vagrant niche]

With that voice you should be using kotlin, mini

and have a scarf

those circle glasses

and have a frappe from starbucks

[quasi valley]

if someone wants to see what you're being sent every join, lmao https://paste.gg/p/KennyTV/7704a936af8c40b78da6b6fe56f04bea

[vagrant niche]

That took awhiel to load

[serene bolt]

should I be concerned with how long my scrollbar is

that's a lot of data

[minor badge]

thank u mr kneniteevee

[waxen panther]

Ah yes epic

[vagrant niche]

117916 lines lol

[void void]

json all the things

i feel sorry for whoever had to enter that stuff, if they hadn't automated it

sorry for bothering but any words about server performance on 1.16.1 paper?

[vagrant niche]

Fantastic

[void void]

yes

i was looking to update since 1.15.2 has gave me enough headaches

[serene bolt]

it's generally better than 1.15, depending on the circumstances

[void void]

like a

[potent fossil]

im still waitin for 1.16.2

[void void]

standard

survival server with

50+

[minor badge]

i havent seen any issues performance wise

[fallen oracle]

You'll be waiting for awhile.

[vagrant niche]

delete ur nether tho recommended

[potent fossil]

can you

[void void]

plugins

[potent fossil]

type

without

[serene bolt]

you can use space bar without pressing enter a lot

[potent fossil]

spacebar every

few words

please

[void void]

😐

[vagrant niche]

no

[minor badge]

can you redo your question in a single sentence to be able to follow please?

[void void]

well thats great i guess ill load a world and see how it performs

even though now half my plugins aint updated for 1.16 😐

[potent fossil]

they will likely work unless they use NMS

just try them

[void void]

whats that NMS thing? it keeps popping up in my console

[dusk drift]

a lot of devs don't push a "1.16 update" coz it already works

[minor badge]

NMS is the package name for the internal game code

[potent fossil]

net.minecraft.server, essentially core code.

[minor badge]

it's stuff plugins really shouldn't be touching

[potent fossil]

but they do sometimes anyway :)))

which means they break every version

[finite wave]

Yaaas

[void void]

i mean they work but spam my console with warns

[potent fossil]

good jan

what 'warns'

[warm anchor]

Totally not intentional on naming lol

[minor badge]

sounds like exceptions

[worldly flare]

Hello, what plugin do you recommend to pre generate a world?

[potent fossil]

i mean @finite wave the amount of (white) ppl who call police just to tell them a black person walked by is ridiculous

[void void]

ive used

[dusk drift]

Worldborder

[void void]

chunkmaster

ew

[serene bolt]

is chunkmaster just the hipster thing everyone uses now

[upper flicker]

[dusk drift]

yup

and doesnt do anything better

[void void]

ive heard it performs like a rocket

it kinds

[dusk drift]

well

[void void]

kinda does

[dusk drift]

the performance is completely down the world gen not the plugin

[potent fossil]

they both just trigger worldgen

[dusk drift]

exactly

[potent fossil]

neither is gonna be faster

...lol

[void void]

idk if its the plugin or the thing that im running it on a dedicated i9

[serene bolt]

your cap is always going to be the world gen in minecraft, there is no magical barrier you're going to break

[left swift]

But they put async fast in the title

[serene bolt]

the best you can do is optimize it in a way that it will do so efficiently, and WB does that with years and years of testing and proven reliability behind it

[worldly flare]

I was watching Chunk Master, by any chance does this plugin add a "border" to the end of the pre-generated?

[void void]

it doesmt

doesnt

[worldly flare]

uhmm

[void void]

you can walk past the chunks you generated i think

[left swift]

[void void]

try worldborder

[potent fossil]

i mean

generate it...then use a separate border plugin.

or use WB, which I believe is forked for 1.16

then it does both.

[serene bolt]

https://github.com/Puremin0rez/WorldBorder/releases/tag/1.16

have fun

[potent fossil]

:)

[void void]

wb got

updated

what

since when

[potent fossil]

yes, by our very own pure

as you can see...

[worldly flare]

Oh

Is it world border but for 1.16? 😮

[potent fossil]

??

What does that mean

[slender jay]

Thats what the title says doesnt it

[green turret]

a lot of devs don't push a "1.16 update" coz it already works
@dusk drift Got a 3/5 the other week "Hasn't updated to 1.16 yet". Plugin already works on 1.16 out of the box. Targets API for 1.13 :P

[void void]

ill try it out, last time i used worldborder it crashed my server so yeah

[potent fossil]

i mean, if you read the post, it does that

if it crashes, start it again, and it will resume where it was

during chunk gen

[void void]

no like crash

not intended

idk if i explain myself

[serene bolt]

why would a crash ever be intended

[potent fossil]

[left swift]

Sounds like a you problem

[fallen oracle]

[void void]

i guess it is, thats why i used chunkmaster as a replacement

[golden gust]

there was an issue with the normal version of WB that would basically stall the server forcefully unloading chunks

[void void]

normal version of wb?

is there more than 1 ver

[golden gust]

the original

[void void]

oh

[golden gust]

Yes, pure literally linked you his fork of the original

[worldly flare]

Yes, my question was more directed to whether that plugin is from a reliable source. O.o

[serene bolt]

my fork contains 3 fixes

1. makes fill speed very fast, effectively the limit of the world gen in minecraft
2. makes fill progress more resistant to restarts / crashes for resuming after restart
3. fixes some issues with WB teleports (unrelated to filling)

[spice finch]

is it opensource Pure?

[serene bolt]

yes

[spice finch]

nice, I'll check it out. Fill is slow in current version

[void void]

nice

[cedar spade]

no it's open sauce

[spice finch]

even better

[void void]

ill check it out rn

ima pregenerate 5k to see how it goes

[potent fossil]

pure is a reliable source, yes.

[serene bolt]

just don't use dumb fill speeds like 10000 and use the default

[spice finch]

20k will be fine?

[left swift]

How come wb crashes my 2gb server at 10k fill speed pure 😡

[serene bolt]

you joke but I've had people say that :P

[left swift]

Lol

[grand pewter]

seriously pure, you tell me you have a faster fill now

😛

[serene bolt]

lmao

[void void]

normal version is poopoo in filling speed

[grand pewter]

i just waited for chunkmaster's 24 chunks/second thing for like 20 hours to make a 10k nether the other day

[left swift]

Is the og author that made wb not working on it anymore?

[grand pewter]

yeah he decided to move on

[left swift]

Oof

[void void]

isn't 10k like nearly nothing

[tribal flicker]

Is there a setting somewhere that allows mobs to pickup and equip stuff

[grand pewter]

yes

[void void]

10k is nothing indeed

[tribal flicker]

I wanna disable that

[grand pewter]

well its pretty moderately sized

[tribal flicker]

Atm mobs just pick shit up and put it on lul

[left swift]

Illegalstack has a config for that

[grand pewter]

i make my worlds no larger than 10k (radius) because i put my worlds up for users to download after they're done

[left swift]

Nvm it's only zombies

[grand pewter]

so like 10gb download

[void void]

makes sense

[mighty storm]

if something can be moderately sized, can something be administrately sized?

[void void]

im just going to use 30k for a survival

world

[left swift]

It can be fun sized

[potent fossil]

if something can be moderately sized, can something be administrately sized?
@mighty storm yes, 20k and a lot of hallways and offices.

[left swift]

Good one simp

[mighty storm]

20w14~ /warp tunnel be like

[golden gust]

Simple

We don't count decimals, that things only 2"

[mighty storm]

[left swift]

[golden gust]

loljks

it's an innie

[left swift]

U can use innies to store food for later

[void void]

prob a dumb question but, the chunks pregenerated stay on memory or on disk storage waiting to be loaded?

[golden gust]

on disk

[potent fossil]

excuse me

[tribal flicker]

mr cat

[golden gust]

it would be hell if the whole world was loaded into ram

[potent fossil]

i dont get that joke

[tribal flicker]

Is there a setting on any of the ymls to stop mobs equiping dropped stuff yes

[mighty storm]

Do yall remember when you could press SHIFT+F2 to take a 36450×17700 TGA format screenshot (which ended up being 1.8 GB).

[golden gust]

am saying it's so small, it like... goes in, instead of out...

[void void]

😳

[finite wave]

I think mobGriefing disallows mobs from picking up stuff?

[left swift]

[golden gust]

Simple, plz

Stop being dumb

You then make me have to explain this stuff, and then I just look like a weirdo

[left swift]

Dont need to explain anything for people to think you're a weirdo cat

[golden gust]

gfdi

[finite wave]

@tribal flicker What chew posted

[golden gust]

You know what we need?

[still cape]

that's the best part

[golden gust]

an island for prisoners

[cunning raft]

they did that

[void void]

YES

[left swift]

Call it australia 2

[void void]

wat

[cunning raft]

Alcatraz

[left swift]

Wat

[cunning raft]

https://i.imgur.com/VQ78247.png

[tribal flicker]

@finite wave That doesnt stop pickup of items does it?

[mighty storm]

4.7 stars

[cunning raft]

rated 4.7 stars

[mighty storm]

26,647 reviews lol

[finite wave]

It says right there dummy

[void void]

smh they're not treating the prisoners right

[left swift]

It's a tourist destination now that's why

[mighty storm]

thats what i just posted yes

https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/730488819056377866

[finite wave]

Yes

But he couldn’t read so i zoomed in

[left swift]

Maybe retyping it into chat will help them read it

[mighty storm]

firmly grasp it

[worldly flare]

Ok, I already downloaded it, thanks for the help and great that you have tested and improved it for 1.16 (World Border)

[finite wave]

Very bold of you to make that bold

[left swift]

No (problem)

[tribal flicker]

yes

thank u sir

watch mythicmobs override it anyway

[still cape]

i wish i could use mythic drops but all the items sell for the same thing regular items sell using essentialsx/vault economy so... can't have all those gems that drop be sold/used as diamonds/emeralds. maybe i'll replace those with other items later but i wish there was a way to change their value if they are not regular diamonds/emeralds.

[potent fossil]

These people are streaming a rally in support of the Mexican president on a local exchange FB group and said "Mexicans supporting our President" in the description and all the white boomers are praising Trump on it.

It's not even for/about Trump.

They're literally screaming praises for Lopez-Obrador.

How stupid can these fucks be. There is literally no critical thinking anywhere in their heads.

[golden gust]

'MURICA

[void void]

FREEEDOM

[golden gust]

FUCK YEA

[finite wave]

meh

[still cape]

watch trump retweet it

say he didn't notice

[serene bolt]

@finite wave just an fyi you don't need to nuke your resource title / info when requesting deletion, can actually make it slightly more annoying

[finite wave]

Oh you got that report

hahhaha

I tried finding a way to nuke it

Sry

[serene bolt]

yeah a lot of people do that lol np

[potent fossil]

ifuckinghatefliesiwanttokillthemallisweartogod

[serene bolt]

they love playing with your sanity

[left swift]

Just leave ur mouth open and when they fly in, e a t

Dat fly really be swaggin doe 😳

[still cape]

get a citronella candle

[olive marlin]

Do we have mods here?
730491308589842452 is advertising in dms, only mutual server is paper.

[warm anchor]

Have Mojang change anything about enderman? Can they spawn with a block already on their hand?

[olive marlin]

Good idea barty. Thanks!

[potent fossil]

in the DM you can <@ID> and it will tag the user

but obv not ping them, its a dm ;)

[worn ember]

oh, uh

[void void]

wat

[potent fossil]

241.6 straight days of dota

[twin lagoon]

no

[potent fossil]

You are asking this question

[twin lagoon]

use waterfall

[potent fossil]

In Paper.

Do you...

In Paper.

[twin lagoon]

it's a fucking mcmarket bungeecord fork for higher performance

what do you expect

[potent fossil]

yes barty

[twin lagoon]

what high performance does a bungeecord proxy need

lmao

[void void]

10/10

[potent fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-boipepe-sighpepe-stare-gif-12361497

[mental meadow]

I should make FastAsyncPaperSpigot

[limber knot]

@mental meadow [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

[golden gust]

do you recommend a fork which violates the license?!

I mean

[twin lagoon]

zFastAsyncBungeeCord

20 tps bungeecord

[mental meadow]

40 tps

[twin lagoon]

40 tps combat

[minor badge]

is the ign electroniiccat taken

[left swift]

Electronicboy

[hazy veldt]

https://namemc.com/search?q=electroniiccat

[void void]

someone took Nirvana in 2015 aw

[serene bolt]

Async Hitbox Registration
Multithreaded Combat AI Collision Detection
40 TPS Packet Processing

the buzzwords for a good mc marketplace resource

[twin lagoon]

Async Entity Tracker

[mental meadow]

You forgot the fast before that Async

[slim nymph]

Async Player Time Packets

[left swift]

Ultimate Fast Async NO Lag Spigot 1.8.8 Jar

[slim nymph]

ohhh, you know we can advertise our Async Async Tasks Scheduler

Double Async

[hazy veldt]

Still waiting on async aikar flags

[slim nymph]

(seriously, we do have a major performance benefit by making the async task scheduler processed async.... its dispatched sync in spigot and generates a lot of lag)

[left swift]

Async
Included
Kentucky
Async 2
Red

[twin lagoon]

async getchunkat

async timings

[slim nymph]

im gonna make pigs Async, but nothing else

[twin lagoon]

async aikar

[true canyon]

For the why I don't use paper, it's because of a custom world generator. They tried to add support for paper but apparently the chunk loading on it is very unstable, combined with the developers not seeming to care. This does not mean I hate paper, in fact I would prefer to use it, but if issues like that exist, I won't be switching.

[hazy veldt]

Not even Piglins?

[true canyon]

Stop sucking at chunk loading guys.

[slim nymph]

who said that?

[twin lagoon]

EWG guy?

[warm anchor]

Async ultimate mobstacker

[true canyon]

Just some random user.

[twin lagoon]

exactly

irrelevant

move on

[true canyon]

I don't even know which plugins 😛

[smoky python]

Lmfao

[true canyon]

Users can be so helpful!

[slim nymph]

not even aware of any worldgen issues lol

[true canyon]

RIGHT?

[serene bolt]

the EWG dev was saying something about that yesterday I think, someone was in here talking about that

[slim nymph]

i dont believe we even have a single change to worldgen like that

[warm anchor]

Epic world generator user?

Lmao

[slim nymph]

most we do is fix concurrency issues in vanilla

[true canyon]

I am looking to get my hands on a file created by itemstack serialization that explodes on deserialization though, so that's exciting!

[slim nymph]

prob some 1.14 user

[twin lagoon]

where's the frustrum priority when you need it

[left swift]

I would be mad all the time too if I paid 30$ for EWG

[serene bolt]

just wait until 1.16.2 drops

he's going to have a fun time

[upper flicker]

but the tree generation that sheers off leaves!

[zealous wedge]

whose itemstack serialization mbax?

[upper flicker]

think of the trees!

[void void]

no! not my trees!

[slim nymph]

Paper is now the largest "plugin" on bstats

[void void]

nice

[zealous wedge]

lol

[upper flicker]

that tree sheering thing is a vanilla issue btw

[minor badge]

binary serialization or bukkit serialization, bax?

[upper flicker]

but a while ago everyone kept reporting it as one of ours

[zealous wedge]

or DFU Codec serialization?

[slim nymph]

Suck it essentials! 😛

(jk <3)

[twin lagoon]

https://grafana.com/blog/2020/07/08/grafana-and-nginx-are-partnering-to-give-the-open-source-community-a-turnkey-experience-for-visibility/?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=social

pog

[true canyon]

Not the special paper one. The ol' shit style because good luck getting people off 1.8 or spigot! 😦

[slim nymph]

who's maintaining Vault?

[smoky python]

That panel looks dope asf

[void void]

but paper is not a plugin

[minor badge]

whee paper serialization works better than spigot, what a surprise

[zealous wedge]

sleaker but not really aikar

[slim nymph]

isnt he sponge guy now

[true canyon]

Shocking, proximyst. Shocking.

[zealous wedge]

nope

sleaker hasn't been around in the community a ton

at least not in the past few years

he was way more active in like 2012-2014

[left swift]

[slim nymph]

if we can get Vault and ProtocolLib to block Spigot support too when the great uproar starts, that would carry every dependency plugin too.

though vault people would prob just use an old version since it doesnt break right?

[zealous wedge]

yeah, vault proper hasn't been updated in years

[true canyon]

Yep, people would just grab old stuff.

[left swift]

U guys are starting a coupe?

[slim nymph]

started that years ago

[true canyon]

I wonder if we could convince the more fun MD to go paper-only with EssX

[left swift]

Fight the power aikart

[hazy veldt]

Great uproar?

[slim nymph]

pretty sure someone on essx said they were on board

[zealous wedge]

paper-only but still 1.8-1.16 lol

[slim nymph]

and i believe WE/WG said they were too

[zealous wedge]

essx has no problem making functionality paper-only though

[slim nymph]

so even just them 2 is a massive swing 😛

[void void]

did you know that swing is library in java for gui

ikr

[slim nymph]

gotta get hangar up though

[true canyon]

HEY IT'S THE FUN MD TYPING

[cedar spade]

Catacomb when

[slim nymph]

catacomb?

and dont worry pure well still love you

[left swift]

Kotlin paper when

[slim nymph]

nevar

[true canyon]

Catacomb when I'm back from this little vacation, maybe?

[void void]

.lombok

[limber knot]

[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on

[void void]

also kotlins worse for performance so yeah

[cedar spade]

better economy abstraction, aka me and mbax stealing Sponge service APIs for cross-platform

[slim nymph]

I heard you like null checks

[zealous wedge]

yeah, doing weird hax with java applications doesn't work well from kotlin

[cedar spade]

We could just make Catacomb complain about Spigot :p

[slim nymph]

kotlin inlines soooo many null check preconditions, and weve literally got a performance patch to strip out those type of calls in many places in paper

[zealous wedge]

do those actually show up on profilers?

[slim nymph]

yes

[zealous wedge]

oh boy

[void void]

oh damn

[slim nymph]

it also bloats the code size hurting inlining

[golden gust]

maintaining vault

kek

[slim nymph]

specifically DataBits, the bit storage for Block Data.....

[cedar spade]

Probably gonna add suggestPaper to EssX dev builds after 2.18.0 is out

[true canyon]

I think the absolutely hardest part of any Paper-only effort is all the folks still using older MC versions. I'm helping maintain things that go all the way back to goddamn 1.7.10

[slim nymph]

but we dont care about them 😛

[zealous wedge]

but a significant minority of users do

[slim nymph]

plugin devs really should just hard drop support on that crap

[true canyon]

You don't, but a lot of plugin devs do.

[golden gust]

It would be nice if we added our own built in eco interface

[void void]

1.8 is already high performance enough

[golden gust]

Just, the adoption would probs be bleh...

[slim nymph]

you know we could do that, the service layer is built for that

[zealous wedge]

tbh the only way to go with that imo is specialized cross-version compat libraries

the way adventure is for text/ui elements

[true canyon]

Here's one plugin's usage:

[zealous wedge]

like we can give you proto-bossbars on 1.7.10 even :p

[warm anchor]

Is that a PvP plug in

[zealous wedge]

is that FUUID?

[cedar spade]

EssentialsX users (I imagine 1.16.1 will grow significantly when we release on Spigot)

[slim nymph]

and you know, if you dropped support, those users can still just download last 2.x build and be good 😛

[void void]

at least 1.8 is at 10%. should be lower

[slim nymph]

or just branch and only backport important things

[cedar spade]

ye but we just went through the effort of tidying up our legacy support code lol

if 3.0/whatever actually happens, it'll probably be 1.13+ only

and Paper-first

[slim nymph]

isnt that everyones case study "we just did all this work on X but realized it was dumb and we should of just deleted it" 😛

[cedar spade]

I mean, we only just removed 1.8.1 and 1.8.3 compat layers

though we haven't officially supported them for years

[zealous wedge]

a lot of the legacy compat can just kinda sit there and exist without too much trouble

and just not get support for newer features

it just becomes trouble when you need to do design changes

[true canyon]

I am considering splitting a plugin into two: An up-to-date version that gets features first and uses Paper stuff (I really want to play with the new serialization) and a backport version that gets whichever of those features is possible on older things later.

[twin lagoon]

does essentials still work on 1.7

[void void]

top kek

[true canyon]

It's 1.8.8+, nobody has offered enough money yet for going back to 1.7.10

[twin lagoon]

rip

[potent fossil]

hey mbax

i will offer you money to cut support for all but 1.14+

[true canyon]

👋

I'll consider it for ten thousand USD! 😄

[void void]

brain.exe internal error

[mighty storm]

brain.jar*

[slim nymph]

wtf did you include 1.14 for

[potent fossil]

ok, im too poor for that shit

[mighty storm]

also omg it's mbax

[slim nymph]

we dont speak of that version

its almost as bad as 1.8

[true canyon]

the evil release

[potent fossil]

how much for 1.15+ only

[vagrant niche]

Holy crap its baxter

[true canyon]

Hi laxxy

[slim nymph]

yall act like youve never seen mbax in here

[potent fossil]

He's not here everyday like the rest of us no-lifers.

[vagrant niche]

its my first time

[slim nymph]

well because you were banned for so long lol. hes been around a lot lately

[mighty storm]

its not that, it's that im always excited when i see mbax

[twin lagoon]

[wide chasm]

Just get people to ask you to drop a version and then tell other users that there was "an overwhelming amount" of users that wanted you to drop that version 🙂

[true canyon]

I have the shittiest celebrity status.

[serene bolt]

wow is that the VanishNoPacket developer?!?!?!

[vagrant niche]

oh my god

[cedar spade]

omg it's mbax!!!

[vagrant niche]

it is

[cedar spade]

hi!!!!?!

[vagrant niche]

omg its md5

welcome to paper

[cedar spade]

no u

[mighty storm]

mbax who's been on spigotmc.org longer than puremin

[twin lagoon]

oh my god this fork is amazing

[cedar spade]

oh no

[serene bolt]

finally some 40 tps

[slim nymph]

do i have pure and mbax beat?

[mighty storm]

useless, if it's not 3120 tps it's bad

[void void]

haha

[slender jay]

is it from mc-market

[twin lagoon]

cosmicpvp actually

[mighty storm]

i have id x on songoda, jk im not that low

[true canyon]

Aikar, I'm only beat by andrew,ammar, and the kiddo himself

[mighty storm]

sounds uh

hot? kinky? idk

[serene bolt]

andrew is cheating though because he signed up when the forums were private >:(

[twin lagoon]

it's holding up with 4000 villagers

[mighty storm]

360haxx0r1337

[twin lagoon]

if only 1.16 was this good

[mighty storm]

is that beta 1.7.3

[twin lagoon]

1.7.10

[mighty storm]

there was no beta 1.7.10

[wide chasm]

It's the secret holy grail of 40 TPS.

[cedar spade]

release 1.7.10

[mighty storm]

ah

[true canyon]

ammar and I also signed up when it was private. Remember, I was early staff, helped test bungee's precursor, and helped with early bungee too. Back before he decided anyone not leaving Bukkit to work with him exclusively was evil.

[void void]

mojang should ditch all version above 1.8 and continue development from 1.8 source code

[mighty storm]

aack gotta upgrade

continue development from 1.8 source code
then they'd have to rewrite and fix the combat again, yuck

[void void]

they get a second chance

[mighty storm]

should be from 1.9 instead

[void void]

i think ditch above 1.12

to not fuck up pvp

[hazy veldt]

Just turn off the limit on tps and let it go as high as it wants. It should be independent and free of our arbitrary limits.

[mighty storm]

pvp is great post-1.8.x idk what youre saying

[true canyon]

People stuck on 1.8 PVP are the ones who paid money for auto-clicking software and don't want to leave the place they have an advantage.

[wide chasm]

Watch how the community will be divided yet again when they merge the combat changes.

[true canyon]

It will be glorious.

[void void]

oh god

combat changes?

WHERE

[bleak urchin]

hi mbax

[mighty storm]

oh yeah the combat tests

they're actually quite interesting

[slender jay]

the era of old combat mechanic plugins shall return once more

[true canyon]

Hey juan

[wide chasm]

They have been doing experimental combat tests separately for some time now.

[void void]

i only fight with crystals anyway

[zealous wedge]

oh boy did i experience a discord netsplit?

[void void]

is jeb doing them?

[cedar spade]

?

[mighty storm]

ohh net split

[wide chasm]

Yep

[void void]

what?

nice

[mighty storm]

havent heard that in a while

[void void]

whats a netsplit

[serene bolt]

netsplits

[zealous wedge]

brings back irc vibes

[cedar spade]

netspl it

[mighty storm]

https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_Combat_Tests btw

[zealous wedge]

actually what is the irc channel for this?

[mighty storm]

#paper

[cedar spade]

#paper?

[zealous wedge]

not on esper

[mighty storm]

on spigot and esper right?

ah

[serene bolt]

spigot irc

[mighty storm]

jus spigot then

[cedar spade]

used to be bridged to Esper years ago iirc

[mighty storm]

ah yes, i internet relay chat

[cedar spade]

esper > spigot

[zealous wedge]

^

[mighty storm]

been a while since i joined esper

[zealous wedge]

esper has cooler opers

[void void]

personally i dont know what prompted mojang to think there is room for improvement for 1.8 pvp system

[mighty storm]

name probably dropped

[void void]

it was already really good

[true canyon]

EsperNet has cooler opers, so I'm told.

[mighty storm]

really good
loooL

[cedar spade]

there was no 1.8 combat system, there was just a button

[vagrant niche]

Doubt

[true canyon]

I hear one of them likes cats.

[mighty storm]

meow

[slim nymph]

no it wasnt

1.8 pvp sucked

[serene bolt]

bax isn't even in his cat carrier right now :(

[void void]

no

f u

[slim nymph]

HAY GUIZ I CAN SPAM CLICK

[void void]

lol

[mighty storm]

yes, it was awful

[twin lagoon]

both combat systems suck

1.9 > 1.8 in terms of pve though

[slim nymph]

need to get rid of shields

[mighty storm]

big brain, u right, pvp sucks in general

[void void]

shields make early game way easier

[mighty storm]

i dont think ive ever made a shield

[void void]

i dunno about pvp side of that

[serene bolt]

I think the current combat system is fun for just survival, but it's bad for PVP. so if they can balance the two combat systems it should be pretty cool

[void void]

if the problem was spam clicking then there were simple things you can do and that was add a click per second delay

[wide chasm]

1.8 PVP doesn't really fit with the rest of the game, sicne you're mainly just using your sword - the delays incentivize you to actually make use of other tools the game gives you.

[mighty storm]

add a click per second delay
which is what 1.9+ pvp is lol

[waxen panther]

omg are we being allowed to talk about 1.8?

[twin lagoon]

agreed but i'd rather have 1.8 pvp over 1.9

[mighty storm]

but beta 1.7.3 pvp?

[void void]

kek

[mental meadow]

omg are we being allowed to talk about 1.8?
@waxen panther no

[cedar spade]

oh no you unleashed the 1.8 apologists

[waxen panther]

fuck

[mighty storm]

omg are we being allowed to talk about 1.8?
@waxen panther only beta 1.8

[waxen panther]

mods here

[serene bolt]

I just miss blocking with my sword, man

[cedar spade]

same

[waxen panther]

pvp has always sucked in minecraft, it sucked in 1.8 and it sucks in 1.15

[serene bolt]

they removed an emotion from the game by removing sword blocking

[waxen panther]

and you can't change my mind

[void void]

pvp sucks and so does the community

[mighty storm]

they can swipe left even faster

[waxen panther]

they should just hide in their corner

1.8 server owners are toxic

[mighty storm]

or right, whatever the one for accept is idk

[wide chasm]

How many times do you want to tell people that you won't be supporting 1.8, though

[mighty storm]

mbax let me inn

[waxen panther]

I have all the time in the world for telling 1.8 users that they're stupid

[mental meadow]

Today only 3 times

[void void]

if you think 1.8 pvpers are toxic, see crystal pvpers

thats a whole other level

[waxen panther]

m🅱️axter

[kindred storm]

it would be nice if 1.8 users were to update - you'd be happy to not have to keep telling them their version isn't supported, they'd be happy to use your plugin or software

[void void]

if they remove the punch sound effect in the pvp system then i can actually hear the rest of the sounds played when i punch something

😐

[mighty storm]

i accidentally called mbaxter mx baster a while ago

[left swift]

Treason

[limber knot]

i mean the ban button exists for a reason

[true canyon]

It's actually amazing how often I'm called mxsomething

[twin lagoon]

hi mxsomething

i'm dad

[mighty storm]

i just call u mbax now

[cedar spade]

mxabret

[void void]

bax

[mental meadow]

MX Master Mouse by Logitech?

[mighty storm]

bruhx

[twin lagoon]

mx master

[void void]

pog

[mighty storm]

gers

[left swift]

Does the m in mbax stand for minecraft 1.8 pvp

[viral hornet]

No

[mighty storm]

no it stands for mondays

[viral hornet]

Stands for mummy

[limber knot]

nah its short for mumfrey

[viral hornet]

MummyBaxter

[void void]

oh no

[viral hornet]

@true canyon 🥺

[waxen panther]

btw everyone

Camm is a furry

look at his github avatar

[viral hornet]

Omfg

[void void]

wat

[left swift]

Furries are gross

[grand pewter]

whats your github camm

[mighty storm]

mbaxter
m - monday
b - btuesday
a - awednesday
x - xthursday
t - tfriday
e - esaturday
r - rsunday

[grand pewter]

🤔

[waxen panther]

https://github.com/CodeByCam

[bleak urchin]

esaturday = espernet day

[waxen panther]

[bleak urchin]

[grand pewter]

that looks like a lego dog

[mighty storm]

is that a neko pepe

[grand pewter]

but with fur

[mighty storm]

very rare

[viral hornet]

Its a dingo

[limber knot]

what's wrong with being a furry

[mental meadow]

That confirms it I think

[void void]

plz remove the furry above

[twin lagoon]

is that spottedleaf

[viral hornet]

LOL

[twin lagoon]

hi camm

did you sign NDA yet

[bleak urchin]

[mighty storm]

what's wrong with being a furry
@zealous wedge#0000 nothing but you have to be treated as an animal and thus you can legally be hunted

[viral hornet]

hi michael

And no net yet, awaiting email

[mental meadow]

We have to add something to bStats to check how many servers are run by furries

[limber knot]

you can also legally be petted

[twin lagoon]

good boy

[left swift]

Furries are gross

[mental meadow]

https://i.imgur.com/PBTgDLi.gif

[viral hornet]

Its too early to be attacked im going back to sleep

[void void]

do you know anybody that disables btats?

[serene bolt]

yes

[static badge]

[serene bolt]

myself

[void void]

LEL

[twin lagoon]

@spare venture wtf barty

[cedar spade]

how dare you disable bStats that's so disrespectful to plugin authors how could you possibly disrespect their work

[mighty storm]

shouldve been using cStats

[cedar spade]

*disables bStats*

[true canyon]

chewStats?

[quasi valley]

forces bstast

[true canyon]

chewstats when

[serene bolt]

tell that to my dns level block

[wide chasm]

That's why you disable the disable /s

[hazy veldt]

rm -f bstats

[limber knot]

KennyTV == kangarko

[cedar spade]

@quasi valley EssentialsX now yells at plugins that do that :p

[mighty storm]

oh god o fuck

[true canyon]

Disabling the disable is what kangarko's plugins removed from bstats 😛

[quasi valley]

oh nice

[mighty storm]

kangarko tv

[limber knot]

kangarko should be banned from life

but that's not going to happen sadly

[bleak urchin]

Wasn't someone writing a CC-P alternative?