they have to profit somehow
#general
potent fossil
steel pulsar
hetzner?
neat smelt
i dont need it, my server is good enough and i dont get attacked often / so hard that it does anything harmfull
tcpshiels? donations maybe
steel pulsar
tcpshield only has donations
potent fossil
hmm ok
magic mesa
"TCPShield has been securing the servers tens of thousands enjoy on a daily basis for free, and has been possible thanks to our generous patrons who help keep us thriving"
Donations
steel pulsar
potent fossil
ah ok then
magic mesa
kinda suprising actually
neat smelt
heard hetzners ddos protection is meh
steel pulsar
yeah i don't know if it does ports other than 80/443
i mostly just wanted to test tcpshield and it seems to work pretty well
I haven't tried ddosing my own server though
neat smelt
i only get threatend by kids to ddos my server
but most of them are too dumb to get the ip behind a domain
steel pulsar
also yeah since CloudFlare doesn't do SRV records, 'mc.domain.com' pointed straight to the IP
now everything's hidden
potent fossil
cloudflare...does do SRV records
cedar spade
Cloudflare does SRV records, it just doesn't do anything special to mask the origin for them iirc
potent fossil
but okay
cedar spade
(beyond what it does to flatten CNAMEs or mask A records)
steel pulsar
it can act as a domain manager for SRV records, it just can't proxy the connections
sharp sentinel
Does SRV have any inherent masking properties though?
elder sable
lmao do teh kidz point their LOICs at the HTTP proxy?
potent fossil
LOIC
sharp sentinel
As far as I was aware, it was just a service lookup table
potent fossil
it is
neat smelt
yes VAD
cedar spade
It is
potent fossil
need coffee
cedar spade
steam just downloaded 30GB worth of DLC, got stuck extracting it and just... deleted it all
thanks steam
time for another 3 hours of downloading
magic mesa
oof
sharp sentinel
I've seen some servers use SRV as a DDoS prevention method though, that was back in 2012 so idk if kids who wanna DDoS know to resolve the service IP before trying it now
cedar spade
...how do you prevent a DDoS with an SRV record? the record points at the host anyway?
neat smelt
kids dont know it today anymore
magic mesa
Pretty sure mine and simples server used SRV but then we switched to CNAME for tcpshield
zealous wedge
md, until someone tries to lookup your server address using standard dig
and doesn't try to resolve wherever the SRV record points to
cedar spade
...so it prevents idiots ddosing your server?
neat smelt
yep
zealous wedge
yeah
elder sable
zml, something thats not a website doesnt exist.
terminal commands? tools? owo whats this
cedar spade
okay then
zealous wedge
i mean i assume at least 80% of ppl trying to ddos are idiots
steel pulsar
datacenters have internal tools to prevent outward ddos attacks now
cedar spade
that one has the actual data
cedar spade
I have the DLCs, just bought season one to see how good/bad it is
zealous wedge
the problem is the ppl who aren't idiots can probably impact quite a bit more with their DDoS
cedar spade
also never actually played the prologue
neat smelt
those datacenter tools are mostly just basic tools to prevent idiots from doing that
magic mesa
I remember having an issue with steam where it would start downloading and just stop, I had a decent connection (500mbps). Turns out it was dns -_-
steel pulsar
me neither
elder sable
application level attacks ↑
cedar spade
also I wanna know the rest of the story for when Hitman 3 comes out
steel pulsar
the main missions for hitman 2 tell the story pretty well
cedar spade
eh it felt like there was context missing all the time
neat smelt
i'm still laughing about the story from the kid who made liquidbounce and some server plugins and created his own botnet that way
cedar spade
aka "why is providence, who is what why is 47 who whaaaa"
steel pulsar
ol
cedar spade
although I'm bad at understanding plots so maybe that's the point
steel pulsar
the game itself is very good though
if the maps only had one method of completion, the game would be over after like 2 hours
cedar spade
Yeah honestly it's a really good game
I haven't replayed any maps yet but probably will after I've finished season one
also did Diana's voice actor change between Hitman and Hitman 2?
steel pulsar
never finished the first one
i should since you can play the hitman 1 missions in the second game
cedar spade
yeah
the prologue is jarring, all the in-game dialogue sounds like Diana but higher pitched
am assuming that's because it was made for Hitman?
idk I'm just curious to see what I didn't play or see since I went straight into 2
steel pulsar
hitman 1 is well received i believe
cedar spade
I've heard mixed things about some of the levels but yeah seems like it's mostly well received
iron zephyr
Would anyone be willing to help guide me in transferring my inventories from MyWorlds (https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/myworlds.39594/) to Hyperverse (https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/hyperverse-w-i-p.77550/)
I don't mind switching to PWI first, but I cannot find a way to disable MyWorlds inventories without everyone losing their stuff
maybe I'm just not smart enough, but it is super frustrating
potent fossil
@iron zephyr I recommend you go over to the IntellectualSites discord (creator of Hyperverse), and ask in their support channels for ideas.
iron zephyr
Thanks pimple, I asked over there
Just trying to widen my pool of potential help haha
I'm very stuck
trail pasture
Question about hosting.
I now have an VPS running on i9 9900k. But TPS sometimes drops to 15, especially in peak hour. The server is running on version paper43 1.16.1, 30 players, but within 3 weeks there will be about 50.
Many say that that VPS is oversold. My VPS provider support answered me that this is theoretically impossible, because they use KVM virtualization. Do you think is it better to take a dedicated server at the Hetzner auction with bad CPU or take a VPS with 3 threads of i9 9900k, 12 DDR4 RAM? Eventually, minecraft is single-threaded.
What would you recommend for budget of $30 where can play 50 players?
twin lagoon
send your timings first
it doesn't always have to the hardware that's causing the bottleneck
kindred storm
how many vCores does this VPS have?
trail pasture
how many vCores does this VPS have?
@kindred storm 3
neat smelt
btw, send us timings link
hearty nebula
Will 1.16.2 take as long as 1.16?
twin lagoon
no
potent fossil
1.16 didn't even take long the fuck
trail pasture
potent fossil
whatevz
trail pasture
btw, send us timings link
@neat smelt sent
hearty nebula
@potent fossil took more than 1 week after the release of Mc 1.16
Spigot had it in 1.5 days
And paper took a good amount that I’d why I’m asking
twin lagoon
it took 3 days for paper in total
hearty nebula
Lol you’re off
twin lagoon
no you're off
olive marlin
Spigot took weeks, but they were updating for snapshots.
twin lagoon
experimental builds were available after about 2 - 3 days
olive marlin
Paper can't do that, cause Spigot doesn't release snapshots.
twin lagoon
public "stable" builds after about a week
neat smelt
cpu: 5
seems like you have 5 and not 3 threads, so your hoster is lying to you
void void
its never stable
olive marlin
And yeah - it took 72 hours of livestreams before we got paper.
cunning raft
spigot wasn't stable in 1.15 days
olive marlin
Spigot wans't stable after 2 days lol.
twin lagoon
i wouldn't even consider spigot stable
hearty nebula
Ik
trail pasture
cpu: 5
seems like you have 5 and not 3 threads, so your hoster is lying to you
@neat smelt yeah, i know. 5 is what i have now, 3 is what i will have
cunning raft
but to answer your question spike
hearty nebula
I mean better than bukit
steel pulsar
if you go from 5 to 3, the timingcost will be even worse
twin lagoon
bukkit == spigot
cunning raft
paper requires spigot to update
steel pulsar
@trail pasture config -> system config
hearty nebula
Paper > Spigot > Bukkit
steel pulsar
timingcost should be around 100
cunning raft
Paper and spigot are the names of both server and apis
bukkit is just api
craftbukkit is the og server software that implements bukkit api
trail pasture
timingcost should be around 100
@steel pulsar Oh, okay. What is the timingcost?
trail pasture
or do you mean what it means
@steel pulsar exactly
steel pulsar
it's just a general processor measurement thing
to my knowledge, >200 indicates an old / slow processor that isn't fit to handle the load it's given
trail pasture
Didn't know, thanks
steel pulsar
the timings section is more relevant
barren whale
Is it okay if I ask a question about the Minecraft protocol here? You cna direct me elsewhere if there is a better place to ask. I'm trying to understand the networking behind it a bit better, so I wanted to set up a basic connection with the client. My question was specifically on VarInt encoding. I seem to be getting a byte before the actual VarInt, that is consistently the same byte, but doesn't seem to actually encode any data? Does anyone know what this could be?
barren whale
yes
vernal moth
so the handshake?
barren whale
the initial login packet, the handshake
but I think another var int also has it
when I'm reading the protocol version
vernal moth
you will first get one varint for lenght, then a varint for a packet id
before anything else will be transmitted
vernal moth
thats part of the whole packet wrapping
the lenght of the data + the lenght of the packet id
basically, how much data belongs to the packet you just got
(if compression is off that is)
barren whale
oh alright, I see
vernal moth
but for handshake there is no compression
barren whale
thank you
vernal moth
https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Without_compression is what you want to read
am assuming you already know this https://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ#What.27s_the_normal_login_sequence_for_a_client.3F
vernal moth
I have implemented all that shit in 3 (or 4?) languages now, I think I know it by head by now ^^
barren whale
no I'm using csharp
there used to be a project for a server, but it was abbandonned
I just want to figure out networking though, not make a server
making a server is beyond me
steel pulsar
i mean most people who run servers have no idea how the networking part works
it's not a requirement
barren whale
Mini, what languages have you used
barren whale
nice
barren whale
it was in the godot engine?
vernal moth
as a server, you can just never enable compression as a start
yes, its a MC client in godot
barren whale
nice
vernal moth
thats a real server with a real world
carmine hinge
how's a ryzen 7 3700 pro for mc?
void void
you mean 3700x?
carmine hinge
it says pro
vernal moth
the pro line is a bit different
void void
huh, never heard of a pro one
cedar spade
m o r e p r o f e s s i o n a l
vernal moth
the Pro line is for professional workstations
carmine hinge
yes
vernal moth
tons of client secruity shit iirc
carmine hinge
but im upgrading from 1.12 to 1.16 so i want a faster cpu
vernal moth
not sure if the actual silicon is different
twin lagoon
3700 pro is a massive upgrade coming from the e5 1650
but if you're looking at OVH anyways
i'd stick to the game-2 or infra-2 personally
carmine hinge
https://www.ovh.com/world/dedicated-servers/game/game-2/ hmm, game 2 has a 3800x
neat smelt
ryzen pro cpu's only have some en-&decryption stuff included, its basically just the normal one
twin lagoon
how many players do you have miclebrick on average
carmine hinge
10-50
twin lagoon
that's what i thought considering the e5 has been enough for you
get the game-1
no reason to go overkill
i would however wait another month before switching to 1.16
twin lagoon
performance is pretty bad mini
carmine hinge
that one is low on disk space
unless i dont use raid
i mean i don't use it right now 😛
void void
Why is brocolli on mcmmo server as well
carmine hinge
2x460gb
void void
i see him everywhere
steel pulsar
his server is also fucking huge and in space somehow so i'd say go for the stronger cpu
carmine hinge
yeah i've got some massive worlds
steel pulsar
@void void lots of overlap in certain communities
carmine hinge
not sure how important using raid actually is tbh
carmine hinge
especially if you have backups on a separate computer
twin lagoon
is also a good option
steel pulsar
RAID mirroring is very reliable, but if you do actual backups to a different server then that should be fine
carmine hinge
hmm, how does the xeon e-2274g compare to the ryzen 7 3800x?
twin lagoon
unless you're hosting tons of servers on the same machine
no noticable difference
3800x is better though
carmine hinge
i do have a few currently
thinking of splitting one of them up into three or so
cause it has too many worlds
think it's like 20+ worlds rn
twin lagoon
how many servers are we talking about
carmine hinge
creative, survival, and test atm
twin lagoon
for 50 players the infra-1 should be pleenty
carmine hinge
survival has too much on one though, so it needs to be split up eventually
yeah, looks like a good price for the same RAM and disk, too
steel pulsar
carmine hinge
huh, so it's actually faster
steel pulsar
versus.com didn't have 2274g
twin lagoon
that site is also horrible
twin lagoon
that's even worse
carmine hinge
are there any good sites? 🤔
twin lagoon
there aren't no
carmine hinge
xD
twin lagoon
synthetic benchmarks are useless for mc
the sites red mentions are the worst though even for general usage
userbenchmark si rigged
cpu-monkey looks scuffed af
versus.com is just comparing specs
carmine hinge
so how would rate xeon E-2274G?
twin lagoon
everything is an upgrade compared to your e5
steel pulsar
comparing specs is better than nothing
twin lagoon
that's all you should know tbh
the 2274g is an excellent cpu for minecraft
compared to the 3800x, 3800x is better
twin lagoon
geekbench is something you could look at yes
but synthetic benchmarks are pretty much useless for mc
river basalt
I am making player shaped entity and I want to apply PathfinderGoalRandomStroll to it (but this path finder accepts only entityCreature)
Is there a way I can do that
?
spice finch
carmine hinge
how much better is the 3800x than the 2274g?
is it worth $300 more a year?
well more like $250
potent fossil
that guy who pinged me can fuck off
potent fossil
yeah i know
void void
it's also funny when people link their xbox
smoky python
But people that have nothing link is also funny
void void
eh for me i don't feel like getting doxed
carmine hinge
game server also has 'exclusive anti-ddos game protection'
wonder if that's any good
smoky python
What game server?
twin lagoon
it's decent yes
barren whale
considering the name probably not
carmine hinge
twin lagoon
OVH protection is the best you can get probably for the price range
smoky python
Ovh is best
potent fossil
yes ovh has ddos protection
void void
iirc it's not bad
twin lagoon
it's a very good idea to add TCPShield though
unreal quarry
But people that have nothing link is also funny
@smoky python I have lots of stuff linked, just hidden ;)
twin lagoon
but OVH's protection has done us good plenty of times
neat smelt
well google is better, but expensive af
potent fossil
yuh put tcpshield in front of ovh, and you're prob golden
carmine hinge
how does tcpshield work, is it something you install on the server directly?
twin lagoon
tcpshield is free
smoky python
@smoky python I have lots of stuff linked, just hidden ;)
@unreal quarry tsksk
twin lagoon
you throw a plugin on the bungee server
carmine hinge
ah, nice
potent fossil
i've noticed it takes a second for ovh ddos mitigation to kick in, so the server loses connection, and then it comes back up shortly after.
twin lagoon
you create a CNAME record on your domain
carmine hinge
if you've got that, is the ovh protection even necessary?
smoky python
Why the plugin?
twin lagoon
it's built-in
potent fossil
ovh protection is just included
twin lagoon
you can't turn off ovh's protection
unreal quarry
@unreal quarry tsksk
@smoky python I don't need people stalking me outside of discord :p
void void
wat
carmine hinge
i'm debating game vs infrastructure
twin lagoon
infra > game
carmine hinge
one of the main advantages of game seems to be the anti ddos protection
does tcpshield render that irrelevant anyway?
twin lagoon
yes
carmine hinge
gotcha, ty
twin lagoon
there's no difference between any of their anti-ddos stuff anyways
it's all the same shit
just marketed differently
twin lagoon
i'd personally go for an infra machine over the gae series
carmine hinge
aight, i'll do that
twin lagoon
rise series > advance-2 > infra-1 > game-1 > game-2 > infra-2
smoky python
But does TCPShield block the blacklisted IPs once you join the server?
twin lagoon
is my go-to list basically
But does TCPShield block the blacklisted IPs once you join the server?
wat
carmine hinge
now the only question remaining is, Intel Xeon E-2288G vs Intel Xeon E-2274G? 🤔
carmine hinge
by how much?
twin lagoon
as of right now
again, you're not going to notice a difference between the two
the thread count however
makes it a lot more attractive for hosting multiple servers
carmine hinge
oh wow twice the threads
twin lagoon
it's an all-around excellent machine
carmine hinge
yeah that is actually probably worth it for me because i want to split my servers up into like ten different servers
twin lagoon
think the infra-2, game-1 & advance-2 are my most popular machines
smoky python
Idk how to explain it properly but lemme try;
Does it kick the "blacklisted ips" once the IP is connected to the server or in the middle of the connecting?
twin lagoon
what is a blacklisted ip
carmine hinge
how does their contract thing work
smoky python
The database of blacklisted IPs
twin lagoon
what blacklisted ip
@carmine hinge it's 12 month or 24month contract
you're obliged to pay for those months
carmine hinge
where you can choose to save money by agreeing to pay for 24 months
smoky python
Tcp shield??
twin lagoon
????
carmine hinge
i see, what if some emergency happens?
twin lagoon
what the fuck is a blacklisted IP in this case
i see, what if some emergency happens?
such as
carmine hinge
idk like you go broke or something
potent fossil
if you dont think you can pay consistently, dont enter a contract
twin lagoon
it's a contract
potent fossil
welcome to life.
twin lagoon
^
carmine hinge
i mean i most likely can, just not sure how much i want to save $80 a year kek
potent fossil
then dont.
smoky python
TCP shield, I assume block requests from IPs that known for doing bad shit? Like Ddosing?
twin lagoon
obviously those will be blocked before they connect to your server
it would make 0 sense if it didn't
smoky python
Then why the plugin 🤔
twin lagoon
to expose the real IP
it's a proxy
it's like bungeecord: false if you don't have that plugin
potent fossil
does anybody have a galaxy s20+
potent fossil
cuz how the FUCK do i turn the screen on just by tapping the screen
twin lagoon
hence the plugin repo name RealIP
potent fossil
im so used to that from my s9
twin lagoon
@potent fossil i don't have a galaxy s20+ but have you tried the search feature in settings
lmao
tap or knock to wake is what it should be called iirc
potent fossil
oof
carmine hinge
what's with the 3.7ghz/5.0ghz
twin lagoon
base clock / turbo
potent fossil
normal clock, boost clock
carmine hinge
can you make it just always turbo?
potent fossil
lol
void void
.g galaxy s20+ knock to wake
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uh2Pp6sqT8 -- How to Wake Up the Screen In Three Ways on Galaxy S20 / S20...: "Mar 16, 2020 ... Three ways to wake up the screen on Galaxy S20 / S20 Plus / S20 Ultra. 1. Lift to wake. 2. Double tap to wake. 3. Press on the side..."
carmine hinge
i don't actually know how that works
twin lagoon
it'll turbo when it's necessary
potent fossil
always turbo
void void
🔥 turbo
carmine hinge
why would you want ur cpu to not always process everything as fast as possible? 🤔
twin lagoon
◌ From Settings, tap Advanced features > Motions and gestures > Double tap to wake to enable this feature.
@potent fossil
void void
electricity and cooling
potent fossil
i got it, it worked
carmine hinge
makes sense i guess
twin lagoon
lmao
potent fossil
also it wakes up when you pick it up, which i didnt know
i just got the thing yesterday and went to bed almost immediately, so haven't learned it yet
potent fossil
i need to go get my case when the shop opens tho bc i know im gonna drop it and im gonna be pissed off
void void
nah figuratively
neat smelt
add rgb to your server for 5 more tps
carmine hinge
no usa datacenter 
twin lagoon
there is
golden gust
original turbo actually slows the chip down iirc
umbral parrot
yes cat, that was the joke
twin lagoon
carmine hinge
oh ty lol
twin lagoon
i'd just stick to canada though
left swift
America day go with usa
carmine hinge
vast majority of my users are in usa tho
twin lagoon
so
carmine hinge
not really sure why lol
twin lagoon
it's east coast
golden gust
just had to say, was worried people like simple would be tryna shove a turbo button on their laptop or something
void void
haha
golden gust
Coz, y' know simple...
twin lagoon
it's either east coast US or east coast canada
no one spots a difference
also with tcpshield it doesn't matter
carmine hinge
true i guess, but iirc, when i used to have it in canada, ppl in other countries had worse connection
twin lagoon
carmine hinge
but when i switched to their usa datacenter, it was much better
potent fossil
cat y u attacking me, micle is the one who asked about 24/7 turbo
twin lagoon
left swift
Bhs is near New York isn't it
carmine hinge
haven't really had people complain about awful ping in other countries in ages actually
golden gust
why am i attacking simple
potent fossil
fuck u
carmine hinge
ever since i switched to the usa datacenter
twin lagoon
golden gust
The reason I'm attacking you is the same reason as why you asked why I'd attack you
left swift
Close enough
golden gust
Coz ur a dum, duh
potent fossil
🥺
golden gust
I just opened dumcord for a few minutes, that way I can... say hi to... erm... people i ca.. re.. abo...errr...
umbral parrot
owo
carmine hinge
aww, they don't have the option to to skip the setup fee on the US version
michael, do you ever have issues with ppl on other countries having bad ping on your canada instances?
golden gust
void void
wat
left swift
People from India have bad connections to my bhs server for some crazy reason weird
Just connect lul
carmine hinge
89 setup fee plus $8 more a month is v annoying
golden gust
can confirm, I would throw shit at you
left swift
Tru
twin lagoon
@carmine hinge if you think it's too high
there's ovh alternatives such as
offers the 2288g at a very good price w/ setup fees
carmine hinge
woah, that's way cheaper
twin lagoon
having tcpshield is a must though
carmine hinge
how does phoenixnap compare to OVH?
twin lagoon
support is way better
golden gust
PN are amazing
twin lagoon
network is worse
carmine hinge
is that a big issue?
twin lagoon
pricing is better in this case
potent fossil
OVH support
twin lagoon
no just use tcpshield like i said
potent fossil
its not an issue if you put tcpshield
carmine hinge
got it
potent fossil
just go sign up and do it
carmine hinge
50% discount? lol
golden gust
Their network is semi iffy depending on the region iirc
carmine hinge
does that mean i pay more later months or?
golden gust
From what I recall, used to use PN for their EU services a few years ago
carmine hinge
why is literally everything on a 50% discount
golden gust
depends on if it's lifetime or not
twin lagoon
marketing
carmine hinge
oh i see
steel pulsar
western europe is at 0% load right now
golden gust
saaaallllessss
carmine hinge
"Dual CPU FlexServers 2nd Gen" lol that name
twin lagoon
@carmine hinge do make sure you choose the right datacenter
steel pulsar
nord is if not the sketchiest vpn provider in existence
twin lagoon
left swift
Use code papermc for a free month on a 3 month subscription
twin lagoon
choose Ashburn
golden gust
I think it was PN who we used for EU, from what I recall, they where more sensive than ColoCrossing, but, well, actually had an EU location
carmine hinge
i see, ty
steel pulsar
PN?
potent fossil
phoenixnap
steel pulsar
oh data center
twin lagoon
how
hetzner is fucking cheap as shit
there's so many cheap hosts in EU
hosting in the US is more expensive lol
golden gust
When you ignore the bargin bin hosts
steel pulsar
hetzner is very cheap, bought an EX42 today
twin lagoon
still more expensive in the US
golden gust
you wouldn't use Ovh for critical infrastructure
carmine hinge
"1 TB NVMe (PCIe SSD) Enterprise Grade " is this 2x or 1x?
twin lagoon
1
steel pulsar
2x512GB NVMe, i7 6700, 64GB RAM for $40/mo
twin lagoon
you wouldn't use Ovh for critical infrastructure
steel pulsar
i'd say that's a good deal
golden gust
Not to mention that hetzner is also kinda trash so I've heard
twin lagoon
hetzner is really good apparently but they're not using consumer hardware
which is the main downside imo
carmine hinge
does PN let you upgrade your disk later?
twin lagoon
yes
neat smelt
hetzner's networking is rather meh
golden gust
gotta send in a ticket and they'll adjust your billing, etc
neat smelt
but price is cheap
golden gust
Just, one thing with proper hosts is make sure that you check their agreements
These more enterprise companies often have techies for hire on hand, etc
junior field
hetzner support is absolute shite
twin lagoon
heard mixed opinions about that
golden gust
One issue we had with CC was that they wouldn't clarify that something would induce tech time
twin lagoon
but you get what you pay for
carmine hinge
is 15tb + 1gbps sufficient for mc server + website + discord bot?
carmine hinge
ty
austere ivy
neat smelt
xd
carmine hinge
i'm secretly the owner of 2b2t in disguise /s
neat smelt
2b2t is a pleb server
carmine hinge
you have all been hoodwinked
steel pulsar
2b2t has some custom ddos protection
void void
here come the 2b2t conspiracy theories
steel pulsar
whatever that is
twin lagoon
known for yeaaaars
carmine hinge
what even is a passphrase
twin lagoon
a passphrase for what
void void
password
carmine hinge
PN requires a passphrase in addition to a password
never heard of something like that
junior field
have proxypipe multihomed yet
neat smelt
i find it funny that 2b2t has tps issues and yet, dont maximize their servers performance
twin lagoon
they have tried to
neat smelt
ik
twin lagoon
it's not easy with 250 retarded 1.12.2 players
that intentionally try to lag you rserver
steel pulsar
it's gotten worse the past year, TPS is usually around 5-10
junior field
yeah single homing with telia was one of their big downfalls
neat smelt
they could upgrade to a 10900k, disable 6 cores, oc it to 5.5 ghz, overclock the ringbus aswell and overclock their ram
void void
they've done that already
neat smelt
but meh, they still stick to normal oc's 9900k at 5ghz
twin lagoon
yeah single homing with telia was one of their big downfalls
tcpshield was kek
swooped over the entire market within months
latent valve
here come the 2b2t conspiracy theories
void void
i mean they might be able to squeeze out a bit more, but what they need more is sharding
neat smelt
oof
neat smelt
nah
void void
unenchanted diamond sword? iron picaxe?
latent valve
anything above 2 is good 
serene bolt
yeah 13 tps is pretty playable, not ideal but it's good enough for the crap they do on there
carmine hinge
ovh was super annoying in having no automated payments
does PN have automated payments?
twin lagoon
both have automated
void void
in theory they could do like dimensional splitting, would help, but thats asking for more dupes
twin lagoon
they've had automated payments for years
carmine hinge
think i asked them and they said no
twin lagoon
SyS is OVH's scuffed brother
serene bolt
I have an automatic payment with SyS, I just had to contact support
carmine hinge
huh, i asked them and they said no automated payments
maybe i should've asked them harder xD
golden gust
their guidelines have changed over the years and such, but, all of them have at least supported it in the past, maybe outside of KS
spice finch
blackmail them 
carmine hinge
PN's reset password isn't sending me an email
left swift
Ask harder
golden gust
wait
golden gust
That stuff often goes through stuff which takes a good moment to get through
neat smelt
luckperms
twin lagoon
luckperms
carmine hinge
How long should I wait for the host to set up my account? I'm growing concerned by how long this is taking xD
potent fossil
how long has this guy been waiting
30 minutes?
do you realize it's a national holiday in the US right now
give them a little bit of time please
twin lagoon
oh
potent fossil
they are probably with their families
carmine hinge
oh i just realized it's the 4th of july xD
mfw lockdown
would that even affect automated payments, though?
carmine hinge
yeah
twin lagoon
you also might have to send in your ID when they ask for it
potent fossil
just, patience por favor
carmine hinge
ovh only took a few minutes ;-;
twin lagoon
they have a very useful livechat aswell on monday
potent fossil
this entire weekend for americans is pretty much get drunk and light off fireworks and dont burn down the city
so, ye, monday
twin lagoon
freedum
unreal quarry
not everyone celebrates it 😛
potent fossil
it's a national holiday
i dont care if some individuals dont
to the country, it is, and businesses do close
wowza
unreal quarry
i dont care
forgive me for contributing to the conversation
potent fossil
not forgiven
twin lagoon
billy wtf why you so toxic
void void
no forgiveness
potent fossil
only forgiven if you let me set off a firework in your ass
void void
that would be fun
potent fossil
roman candle, so when you're running away it shoots balls of shit-fire
golden gust
OVH doesn't have stringent verification
golden gust
Pretty much all competent hosts wanna know who tf you are,coz stuff like spammers, etc, has massive consequences on the network
flashback to when I think it was CC got blacklisted entirely from spamhaus, etc
steel pulsar
if anyone's familiar with KiteBoard i'll gladly send you chocolate pudding if you help me out with this
fallen oracle
Don't they have a support Discord?
steel pulsar
I don't see one on the spigotmc page
golden gust
welp, am byebye, for the record, simple smells
potent fossil
no u
void void
well a cat's sense of smell is very good
fallen oracle
So simple, I may have found out why the cache thing was having issues.
Apparently we don't actually evict the cache.
So it was just building up
Although idk how the data was updating
potent fossil
its supposed to auto evict
fallen oracle
I thought that too, unless I missed something.
You're supposed to specify it in the app props I think
At least I'm going to set it to like 5 minutes for mc servers
potent fossil
hm k den
fallen oracle
I'm either doing the update today or tomorrow. Not sure yet.
Gotta setup a local environment again
What's the easiest database setup on Windows? Just a maraidb thingy?
fallen oracle
Ooo I could just switch to Linux for this
fallen oracle
potent fossil
should be fine
void void
easiest setup on windows is a linux virtual machine
fallen oracle
I mean I am dual booted so I'll just hop on Linux
twin lagoon
@fallen oracle wsl
fallen oracle
Ahh you mean just install an instance there. Yeah, I could.
I could also just boot fully to Linux.
waxen panther
fallen oracle
Just need to setup my local environment again for that
void void
better
potent fossil
you could get a small serbur and put mariadb on there
or install it locally
whatevz
strange bane
Excellent work Paper contributors! =D
pulsar fox
survival_1 | [16:41:46 ERROR]: Not a string oh boy now to binary search what plugin is vomiting this in the console
strange bane
I'm getting it too @pulsar fox and have basically no plugins, must be a server thing
prime coral
pulsar fox
everything in my house runs on 
or 
no exceptions
minor badge
rg "Not a string" returns nothing in the paper codebase
mossy vessel
gg @mental meadow ;p
mental meadow
thx :3
pulsar fox
Yea, it's not paper because my test server (with zero plugins other than spark) isn't doing it
minor badge
net/minecraft/datafixer/NbtOps.java line 122 is the cuase
pulsar fox
hmmm so doesn't like something about something in one of my worlds
minor badge
public DataResult getStringValue(Tag tag) {
return tag instanceof StringTag ? DataResult.success(tag.asString()) : DataResult.error("Not a string");
}```you have a <something> tag somewhere it expects a string i guess?
pulsar fox
oh...did they just change the old error message from pre 1.13 signs that contained non-alphanumerics?
twin lagoon
who is aurora
mental meadow
Apparently me
minor badge
no clue, i've never data converted 1.12 to 1.13 lol
mossy vessel
They infiltrate this server
pulsar fox
gah, time to open idea and dig through NMD then lol
fallen oracle
Ooo, Gradle updated again.
fallen oracle
I mean, it had been a month or so.
serene bolt
I remember when gradle updates used to break my build scripts :\ thankfully that hasn't been a thing for like 2 years now
twin lagoon
fuck you gradle
this banner pops up every page
even when closing
that's just obnoxious
smoky python
Huh, what is that?
fallen oracle
What are other SFW video sites like YouTube?
twin lagoon
vimeo?
unreal quarry
Vimeo, SFW? hah!
fallen oracle
I'll check that out too. Looking at more things to support in HoloVid.
twin lagoon
streamable doesn't have great quality though
unreal quarry
thats the place i had to go to see an uncensored version of a music video
cedar spade
steam pls
twin lagoon
oh for holovid i'd definitely just go for streamable
no registration
easy to use for everyone
smoky python
What are other SFW video sites like YouTube?
TikTok /s
cedar spade
ah yes IGTV famously the most widely-used video platform
pulsar fox
psh just make it compatible with youtube-dl
void void
sssh
fallen oracle
Yes that requires them to install that in their system.
And if they are on shared hosting or a docker or some shit, it ain't that easy for them.
Idk if Streamable has a java wrapper / api
wary echo
guys anybody can help me with my timings ?
fallen oracle
wary echo
no answer : d
twin lagoon
send them in paper-help again
fallen oracle
Yeah I'm not seeing a java api for that site so I might just have to make my own for that
fallen oracle
Yeah, would probably just tell them to put in the url for the video, it would parse it in the json api, and then download the mp4.
limber knotBOT
no (official) automatic upload ;_;
limber knotBOT
I mean you can download and upload to anything, there isn't really a way to block that lol (beyond not giving you access in the first place I guess)
fallen oracle
It looks like the vimeo api need a token
Ya, it does suck there's no port for Youtube-DL in Java.
carmine hinge
what in the world is oversleep
limber knotBOT
the server doing stuff that it didn't manage to do in the normal tick time
fallen oracle
Yo why the hell is it always raining in the world
limber knotBOT
Minecraft
fallen oracle
I swear I have to set the weather to clear every 2 minutes
limber knotBOT
MicleBrick: you should really use aikar's flags
limber knotBOT
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
GC seems to be spiking every 7 seconds
serene bolt
/weather clear 999999 enjoy Glare
limber knotBOT
just sleep the rain away 
heady spear
@mental meadow ❤️
mental meadow
❤️
unreal quarry
Yo why the hell is it always raining in the world
I swear I have to set the weather to clear every 2 minutes
@fallen oracle that's why.. Clearing the weather stops the rain, but doesn't reset the internal "it needs to rain now" counter. So on the next random weather check it doesn't even do the rng, it just starts raining.
fallen oracle
Ahh
wide chasm
At least there is a gamerule to stop weather all together :)
serene bolt
i hate rain in minecraft because it's so visually noisy (and audibly I guess too lol)
unreal quarry
The counter should probably be fixed, just no one's ever cared enough to actually do it
void void
rain sucks
unreal quarry
It's the "last time it rained" counter, which only resets when rain stops on its own
wide chasm
Wasn't there a similar issue with /toggledownfall in the past?
unreal quarry
Yup. Same bug. Never fixed
void void
still happening with aikars flags?
carmine hinge
restarted, need some time to make a new timings report
twin lagoon
.w for(i=0;i<256;i++){for(j=0;j<256;j++){for(k=0;k<256;k++){for(l=0;l<256;l++){ln(pi)}}}}
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) No results found.
twin lagoon
unfortunate
wait is .w not wolframalpha
.wa for(i=0;i<256;i++){for(j=0;j<256;j++){for(k=0;k<256;k++){for(l=0;l<256;l++){ln(pi)}}}}
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: {log(π)} {False, i<256, i} {j = 0, j<256, j++} {k = 0, k<256, k++} {l = 0, l<256, l++} - https://is.gd/T3WJ1a
carmine hinge
.w what is this
void void
looks like something with your andromeda plugin
carmine hinge
yeah apparently weapons are loading chunks
that wasnt the only thing that was causing lag though
bc it was happening when we weren't testing lasers
i'll fix that and get a new timings report
fallen oracle
Wow, for a 3 minute timings, StarLegacy has a stupid dumb high amount of calls.
carmine hinge
there's a bunch of stuff i rewrote for the update and still have to optimize 😛
including lasers, which are apparently loading chunks and causing havoc for performance
slim nymph
micle oversleeps primary purpose is to catch up on player packets
im considering nuking it though
carmine hinge
it was taking a lot of tick
void void
also shouldn't you be async load chunk
slim nymph
yes, packet processing is a lot lol
carmine hinge
@void void shouldn't be loading chunks at al
void void
ah
slim nymph
its your own damn plugin at fault micle
carmine hinge
but i forgot to put the chunk loaded check in the rewritten version of projectiles
slim nymph
slim nymph
uptime > 0.11hr
carmine hinge
oh, that one
slim nymph
i swear i need to disable timings for 30 mins
mighty storm
Is paper multithreaded? I dont know how threading works and all ive heard is minecraft is single and it sucks
void void
its kinda multithreaded
slim nymph
mighty storm
i know there's sync/async or whatever
slim nymph
there is a lot of thread usage yes
serene bolt
paper uses many threads, yes, but the bulk of the game tick loop is still single threaded
slim nymph
sever thread still has the bulk bias
carmine hinge
right, that last one is lasers, aikar
slim nymph
but core count is still important as you dont want the main thead to have to SHARE its CPU
carmine hinge
the rewritten version was missing the chunk loaded check
serene bolt
paper actually leverages multicore quite well these days with the chunk threads
carmine hinge
it's not supposed to be loading chunks
serene bolt
like very well
void void
well then fix it so that they don't
carmine hinge
but that wasnt the only issue, there was a lot of tick loss when lasers werent being tested
void void
ah yeah
mighty storm
ah the server tick loop is on one thread, thats alwasys why you access the API synchronously, and anything else async, then put the result back in sync if needed
carmine hinge
i'll get another timings report, i fixed it
cosmic raft
how are you today pure
umbral parrot
what java libs would you recommend to poll rest apis?
twin lagoon
hi kashike
serene bolt
I'm doing great today so far, ty kash 
cosmic raft
hello
twin lagoon
someone give me excuses to buy a server for personal usage
heady spear
it's fun
slim nymph
doesnt mean its not a lag pit
carmine hinge
it's almost empty
carmine hinge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i mean the server on 1.12 runs fairly well nowadays
tps is almost always 20
or very close to that
slim nymph
for those not aware of micles server, he takes flying machines to the extreme with fast spaceships
them loading chunks
carmine hinge
& not even that much tick loss
twin lagoon
that sounds like fun for light block updates
carmine hinge
on 1.12 they dont do light updates
carmine hinge
on 1.16 i made them do it async cause that's a thing now
slim nymph
ive not really seen single updates be too bad
sure 5 million block worldedits will suck
carmine hinge
it seems to work fine
slim nymph
but smaller machine concepts is much smaller scale
serene bolt
lmao
carmine hinge
why is there still sync chunk load..
need to be able to see what's even calling that, the fact that i have a centralized tasks class makes it annoying
maybe if i use kotlin inline functions it'll work better
slim nymph
accessing chunks async?
i just found someones timings doing that
gonna make it use async api
currently doesnt
carmine hinge
no, thats not the issue
slim nymph
using sync api async still causes sync load on main
limber knotBOT
just use spark
slim nymph
put that on
limber knotBOT
runs
slim nymph
then do /paper syncloadinfo
after its happened a bunch
planning to remove jvm flag and turning it to a boolean you can toggle at runtime
limber knotBOT
where do i go to appeal my ban? or is there no such place?
pulsar fox
Ban evasion via IRC, Nice.
limber knotBOT
don't get banned
quasi valley
phoenix has the real strats
carmine hinge
ah, ty aikar
void void
huh this is the 2nd person i've seen here to try ban evading with IRC
limber knotBOT
yeah but i wasn't breaking any rules when i got banned, it was completely arbitrary. I guess you could say I wasn't following a moderator's request that I stop talking about the subject
twin lagoon
what's ur discord username
twin lagoon
pulsar fox
That's generally how a ban works, mod ask you do not do something, you do it, ban 
limber knotBOT
i can kindly leave this IRC channel if I'm requested
carmine hinge
I made the task scheduling methods inlined, so that'll make my timings look less senseless
limber knotBOT
you could also add timings to your own plugin ;D
slim nymph
Vector, I'll unban for this and consider this a temp ban, but from now on, follow instructions. and just give your ideas some more thought. in this case, what you suggested was just downright annoying because it was already being done essentially.
limber knotBOT
wut happenin
slim nymph
in general, the idea of us 'mending' with spigot is completely dead. our goal is to keep pushing further and completely break from spigot
limber knotBOT
Essentials teleports 👀
neat smelt
drop spigot support
slim nymph
thats players moving faster than chunks can load micle
you can disable moving into unloaded chunks in paper.yml
fallen oracle
Wdym Phoenix?
limber knotBOT
nice sync loads
carmine hinge
if (!world.isChunkLoaded(x shr 4, z shr 4)) {
break
}
val type = world.getBlockAt(bx, by, bz).type
well that explains that
was using the wrong coords to check for chunk loaded
limber knotBOT
although I assume that's an outdated Essentials lol
carmine hinge
it is lol
fallen oracle
If you are on Paper and are running the latest dev-version of Essentials, it will be async loading now.
vernal moth
I mean, is there a proper place to appeal bans?
twin lagoon
no
vernal moth
I feel like in the past bans have been handed out like tacos
limber knotBOT
thanks Aikar
vernal moth
I feel like we need a bot to handle warnings, have some kind of history and stuff